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Speaker 1: This is the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh now do you believe these guys are good? Hello everybody,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to the Action Network Podcast presented by FanDuel.

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Speaker 2: As you can already tell, this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a different episode from what you normally hear on this channel.

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Speaker 2: M N as Michael Leeboff, I am one of the

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Speaker 2: co hosts of Line Change, our NHL betting podcast which

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Speaker 2: you can hear twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday mornings.

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Speaker 2: As my co host Nick Martin, out there in the

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Speaker 2: plains of Western Canada and I break down the biggest

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Speaker 2: slates in the NHL every week, give out some futures,

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Speaker 2: talk about teams we love, we hate, the Ottawa Senators,

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Coyotes, stuff like that. But for this episode,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about the Eastern Conference. This

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Speaker 2: is part one of our two part NHL Mega Betting preview.

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Speaker 2: For part two, you'll be able to hear our Western

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Speaker 2: Conference deep dive online Change right after listen to this one.

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Speaker 2: But we wanted to give the masses our best takes

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Speaker 2: on the Eastern Conference, starting with a team that Nick

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Speaker 2: and I both like from basically across the board. In

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Speaker 2: a future's perspective. So we'll start in the Metropolitan Division.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with our favorite bet in the Metro that's

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Speaker 2: the Washington Capitals. And like I said, across the board,

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Speaker 2: be like them. Whether you want to bet them to

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Speaker 2: win the Cup, win the division, go over the total.

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Speaker 2: However you want to invest in this team, Nick and

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Speaker 2: I are both bullish. Nick, you're a capital span laid

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Speaker 2: on the line for the people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the Capitals their team coming into this season that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people think kind of aging passed their prime.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things that I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of why they were good, especially in a season where

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Speaker 3: they didn't get much out of Nicholas Backstrom, who's traditionally

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Speaker 3: So they brought in Dylan Strom to help shure that up.

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Speaker 3: Connor Brown's going to help take over for Tom Wilson,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of areas where I think there's more

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Speaker 3: that Nicholas backs From really wasn't able to give them

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Speaker 3: So that's an area where we could see a lot

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Speaker 3: that's just even more depth. So yeah, I think there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of upside at all ends of the ice.

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Speaker 3: And then the obvious area where they should be much

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Speaker 3: better is they brought in Darcy Kempener, the Avalanche's goaltender

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Speaker 3: from the Cup run, and compared to what they saw

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Speaker 2: The Capitals won the Stanley Cup five years ago now

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Speaker 2: have been bouncing the first round of every playoff since then,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's why this narrative was settled on.

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Speaker 2: Basically once they lost to the Panthers. Okay, this team's

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Speaker 2: Oshi ove Chkin Backstrim's hurt, Wilson's hurt, John Carlson, he's

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't by bringing in Johnny Gudau or you know,

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Speaker 2: there forty to one to win the Stanley Cup. I

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Speaker 2: think that's of all the bets of all thirty two

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Speaker 2: decent chance to win the division. They're the fifth favorite,

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Speaker 2: which is I'm an Islanders fan. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: I actually think the fact that the Penguins are so

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Speaker 3: And then same thing as you said with the Penguins,

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Speaker 3: And one thing we've consistently seen this team, they always

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the most important thing is that everyone else seems

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Speaker 2: let me jump back in. Don't forget this team has

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Speaker 2: All right, let's now go to another future. We like.

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Speaker 2: This one is kind of the opposite. We both like

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Speaker 2: to bet against the Philadelphia Flyers in terms of season

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Speaker 2: long futures. They're twelve to one to finish with the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a tremendous bet. I think there's not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a weird way, the Flyers kind of created their

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Speaker 2: But that only goes so far. And like we've talked

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Speaker 2: And the downside to having Tortorella is when a team

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Speaker 2: So you're getting them twelve to one to finish with

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Speaker 2: Unders at seventy three and a half. They're not thirteen

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Speaker 2: the Carolina Hurricanes. Let's go there next. They're the favorites

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Speaker 2: those two guys aren't up to snuff in a division

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Speaker 2: year was, Yes, they generate so much volume and they

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Speaker 2: burying their chances. So what did they do in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: They traded for Max Patchy, already great, great fit for them,

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Speaker 2: great fit for them, pure goal scorer, the type of

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Speaker 2: his ACL So it's basically the same forward group. And

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Speaker 2: the answer is yes. If this team was twenty to one,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'd be interested. But at ten to one, and

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Speaker 2: as Price is one of the favorites to win the

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Speaker 2: Stanley Cup, I'm going to be passing on Carolina here

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Speaker 2: and a team that I would look all season long

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Speaker 2: to be fading on game to game. If this is

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Speaker 3: Priced, Yeah, I think you summarized it perfectly. I think

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Speaker 3: They're likely to be quite as strong team, but a

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Speaker 3: what is still a pretty strong East and Metro division.

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Speaker 2: The bookmakers and fan will kind of view the Metro

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Speaker 2: a team has that reputation, they tend to be overvalued,

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00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: especially when they have the off seasons that they've had

431
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 2: the past two seasons, bringing Dougie Hamilton and Andre Pillott,

432
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: bringing in John Marino in that trade I mentioned before,

433
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: and they got your boy v Tech Vanacheck to tandem

434
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 2: with Mackenzie Blackwood, and right there is the problem for me.

435
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 2: Like Blackwood was his trajectory. He's a perfect microcosm for goaltending.

436
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: Whereas his his trajectory, people were putting him on the

437
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: short list to be a Team Canada goalie. If the

438
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: Olympics were held last year last summer, and then he

439
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: was bad and then got hurt, had issues with like

440
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: vaccination status. So we just have no idea about Kenzie Blackwood.

441
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 2: And then we have Vanachik, who we kind of have

442
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 2: a good idea where he's going to play, right, He's

443
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 2: gonna be around nine oh seven nine oh eights percentage.

444
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 2: He'll provide you stable enough goaltending, but he won't he

445
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 2: won't rarely win games on his own. So that is

446
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: enough for me to just sit back and think that

447
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: the market hype is too much on the Devils. But

448
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: like the Islanders in a way, if you are gonna

449
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: bet them, I would, you know, I could see going

450
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: big on them as well, just because like if things

451
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: do finally click, like the talent is there, the upside

452
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: is there.

453
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Devils are a team that I think I'd

454
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Speaker 3: probably be the least confident in saying, like a group

455
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 3: of points that I think they could finish in. I

456
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 3: really don't know exactly where they're going to end up.

457
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: If they were somewhere near the bottom, that wouldn't shock me.

458
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Speaker 3: But if they really took step forwards, I think that's

459
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Speaker 3: reasonable too. And I think that's where a lot of

460
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Speaker 3: people kind of stand on this team. It's just it's

461
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: a little hard to predict how things are going to

462
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 3: work out with this team for sure.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Devil's finished last season with sixty three points,

464
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: and a lot went wrong for them too. Their five

465
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: O five numbers were much better than their actual output was.

466
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Speaker 2: But sixty three points, they're over unders sitting around ninety

467
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: one and a half. You're expecting almost a thirty point improvement.

468
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: That's like, that's a lot to ask. So, like, that's

469
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Speaker 2: what I was saying. If you're going to bet them

470
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Speaker 2: to go over, you just bet them. I would find

471
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Speaker 2: a bigger price. But on the division, on the Stanley

472
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: Cup something like that conference, because you're already asking them

473
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Speaker 2: to do a lot.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and one area like so I'm fairly I think

475
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Speaker 3: there's a decent chance things worked out okay there. But

476
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Speaker 3: now they're ever entering this season with some actual expectations

477
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Speaker 3: where I think, you know, the ownership and the Vans,

478
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Speaker 3: if they come out and struggle, it's gonna be a problem.

479
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Speaker 3: So I think one area of worth getting involved that

480
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: I've seen to keep your eye out on the knee

481
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Speaker 3: rough is around plus nine hundred to be the first

482
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Speaker 3: coach fired this season, and I think that's the realistic

483
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Speaker 3: narrative where if they come out and struggle, he's I

484
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: think he could be out pretty quick.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did something of the off season was a

486
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Speaker 2: little weird by Andrew Brunette, who wasn't re signed by

487
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: the Panthers after taking over as the interim coach for

488
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Speaker 2: Joel Quinnville and then guying the Panthers to the President's

489
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: Trophy was a Jack Adams nominee. The Panthers moved on

490
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 2: for Brunette. He comes to New Jersey, so it's already

491
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: like they have the guy waiting looking over rough shoulders,

492
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: So that is a weird situation. Nico hesher Is was

493
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: injured during training camp. We don't know how long he's

494
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: gonna be out, but he's had trouble staying healthy, so

495
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: that's not a good sign. And their strength is Jack

496
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 2: hughes Is the number one center. He also has struggled

497
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: to stay healthy at times. And then he Share is

498
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: the number two. You have a great one two punch

499
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: right at the top of the lineup. Guys compliment each

500
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: other really well because he's Shares very good as a

501
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: two way center, and Hughes is a great playmaker and

502
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: the supporting cast I think is strong up front. But

503
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: like it. Like you said, it's you can you can

504
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: throw any number at me, and I'd say, yeah, it

505
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: makes sense for the Devil. So that's the bet into

506
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: that volatility, I would say, and either go big or

507
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 2: or go like really low on this team. The other

508
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: team to talk about here this is they're much bigger

509
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: long shot than the Islanders and Devils. But people are

510
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 2: expecting a maybe a minor step forward from the Blue

511
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: Jackets based on what they did in the offseason, sold

512
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: the headlines by signing Johnny Goodreau. They're fifty to one

513
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: to win the Metro Division. They're a long shot to

514
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: do anything of note, like when the Conference or Stanley Cup.

515
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: I think, similar to the Devils, we're talking about a

516
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: goaltending tandem where you just don't really know what to

517
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 2: expect that out of either one of these guys. With

518
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: Mrs Liakins and Corpuslo, I think a lot of people

519
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: who are in the weeds with goalie stats think corpus

520
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: Solo is overrated by the media. I think then people

521
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: in the media think that he's underrated by people who

522
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: get in the weeds with goalie stats and then Mrs

523
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 2: lickens like he's he can steal a game, but he

524
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: can also struggle as well, like he's a very volatile goalie.

525
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: The Gadroau addition came at a cost of Oliver Byorik Strand,

526
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: who had to be traded for nothing to Seattle. So

527
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: as much of an improvement as he brings to a

528
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: top six like they also deleted a twenty eight goal

529
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: scorer from last year. But him and Patrick line I

530
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: should be great. But who's playing in between them? Boon

531
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: Jenner is a number one center or cole Cylinger in

532
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: a second season. That's probably asking too much. The Blue

533
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: Jackets are a team that I think I expected to

534
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: see more hype around because of the gadrow signing, and

535
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't there, so I didn't really have a chance

536
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: to fade them. I was hoping I was going to

537
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: be able to. But they look like an overteam to

538
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: me right away, like a team that I'll be betting,

539
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: not not season totals, but like game bank game by game,

540
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: because it just I don't know. I don't see where

541
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: the two to one games are coming.

542
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: For this team, Yeah, for sure.

543
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 3: And I think one thing that has actually been fairly

544
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: widely known is that Columbus overshot the amount of games

545
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: they should have won last year. I think if you

546
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: watched them consistently, they had a stretch in the middle

547
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: of the year where it was pretty ugly and they

548
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: were just winning some close games they didn't deserve. I

549
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: think there was a pretty big stretch there where I

550
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: was trying to fade them. So it seems like that's

551
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 3: actually pretty well known because with Johnny coming and I'm

552
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: still seeing a lot of takes that they're going to

553
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: go under.

554
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, you touched on a York. Strand is such

555
00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: a great play.

556
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: I love him like I think his overall impact on

557
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: the game could argue be better than Patrick Lione's, which

558
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: seems crazy to think, but Lione is just a pure

559
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: peripheral shooter, whereas Buorick's Strand really drives the play. So yeah,

560
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be probably a team that

561
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: I'll be looking to fade, honestly, even with some of

562
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: the young guns and to circle back. So I've always

563
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: been very favorable on this Blue Jackets roster. I think

564
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: for years they're a little underrated, and some of the

565
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: TOWRTS years people said that he was squeezing a lot

566
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: out of them, but I actually liked what they had there.

567
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: But this is the first time in a while that

568
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: I think I'm actually entering the season thinking this team

569
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: could be worse than a lot of people expect. And

570
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: I actually didn't love their off season moves overall. Obviously,

571
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: getting Dujo's a massive win for Columbus in a place

572
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: where big free agents don't love to sign, but I

573
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 3: think behind that they committed a lot of dollars to

574
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: some weaker demon and for me, it's just not trying

575
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: to pick on a team that I've always loved and

576
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: I love Cole Stillinger and Ken Johnson, but yeah, I

577
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: think they're a team that I'll be probably looking to

578
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: fade quite a bit to start the season.

579
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: So we're all in on Washington, all in on the

580
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Buyers to finish with the worst record in the NHL,

581
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: and the Metro pretty much fading the Penguins and then

582
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: the Blue Jackets a little bit, and then the other teams.

583
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: We're kind of just gonna wait and see. So let's

584
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: move on to the Atlantic. The landscape in the Atlantic

585
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: Division changed drastically over the off season, which is not

586
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: something we've seen in a while. For since that first

587
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: year that the Leafs cracked into the playoffs with this

588
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: Matthews Marner core, it started to become pretty evident who

589
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: the big dogs were. It's Tampa, Boston and Toronto, and

590
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: then Florida charged up the standings the past couple of seasons.

591
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: But this year we finally are seeing step forward from

592
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: Ottawa and Detroit. Neither team has made the playoffs in

593
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: a while. They were going through these four to six

594
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: year rebuilds. They were actively in the tank and it

595
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: should start to pay off a little bit here, but

596
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: in different ways. Whereas let's start with the Senators because

597
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: I think we'll group these two teams together. But I

598
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: want to start with Otawa because I think, uh, they

599
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: are the team that is getting the Oh what's who's

600
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: going to be the most interesting team? Who's the team

601
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: you have your eye on the most to start the season. Uh.

602
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: In the media, especially the Canadian media, Uh, they're gonna

603
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: say Ottawa. They'll say Toronto too because of just the

604
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: nature of them. But everyone's talking about Ottawa. I thought

605
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: we would be able to maybe sneak bigger prices on Ottawa,

606
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: but it was pretty clear even before they made the moves,

607
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: uh for you know, Claude Drue Alex to brink it,

608
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: the market was kind of onto them and they shortened

609
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: pretty quickly to arrange that. I wouldn't play as on

610
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: a team level. We'll talk about a different way to

611
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: play them, but as a as as a group, there's

612
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: some fatal flaws here. The defense is thin. They can score,

613
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: they probably cannot score some defensive problems. They should stick

614
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: around the playoff mix longer than they have in the

615
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: years past because of their dynamic offense, but the defense

616
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: is thin. I like Anton Forsberg as a goalie. I

617
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: think Cam Talbot's a suitable one bead backup guy, but

618
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: that's not a tandem that you're going to sleep at

619
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: night thinking feeling good. Like all right, I got a

620
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: bet on the Senators and I feel in safe hands

621
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: with Forrestburg and Talbot. So this is the way saying like,

622
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 2: I think that the Senators are going to end up

623
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: better than they were last year, but not as they're

624
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 2: not going to match the hype.

625
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I think matching the hype is

626
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: going to be tough. I know we both have a

627
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: couple of plays on the Senators we like, but yeah,

628
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: some of the main areas, like the team total over

629
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: and to make playoffs, I think are fairly weak bets

630
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: that might actually be somewhat common amongst the public right

631
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: now with the perception of this team. So yeah, I

632
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: think there are still just enough question marks that for me,

633
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm not overly sold on them as a unit.

634
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: And that being said, the way that we both like

635
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: to invest in Ottawa in case that you know, this

636
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: thing just clicks and they do take that leap forward

637
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: is Derek excuse me, is backing DJ Smith the head

638
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: coach to win the Jack Adams Ward. You can find

639
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: him fifty to one out there. And it's just correlated

640
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: to their playoff odds. If they're they're just north of

641
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: two hundred to plus two hundred to win to make

642
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs. If they get into the postseason, DJ Smith,

643
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't he will be the favorite to win Coach

644
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: of the Year barring something you know, crazy from somewhere else.

645
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: So if you do, if you are someone who's buying

646
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: it to the hype of Ottawa, and even if you're not,

647
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: and you're just like, you know what, just in case

648
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: the hype is real, it does kind of behoove you

649
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: just to put that ticket in your pocket.

650
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree, and then the other one I'll

651
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: put in. So you talked about how the defense is

652
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: really thin, So Jake Sanderson is going to be a

653
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: really important rookie for them coming in. He should garner

654
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: a top four minutes, could arguably their second best defenseman,

655
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: and if they're going to take a step forward, I

656
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: think it's going to be behind what will be a

657
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: huge season from him. So I think at plus twenty

658
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: five hundred to win Rookie of the Year they call

659
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: their trophy, you could do a lot worse than that.

660
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty strong play as well.

661
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: It's fun. This is why season previews, especially when you're

662
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: looking at it from a betting lens, is so much

663
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: fun because I think both of you and I are

664
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: saying we're against the Senators going into the season, but

665
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: two of our favorite bets on the whole board are

666
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: pro Senator's bets because they're correlated with something else, and

667
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: it's just God, I love.

668
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: It, sure, and like that's the whole nature of handicap right, Like,

669
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: we're not saying they're luck to miss. I just think

670
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: there's less of the time that they're going to be

671
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: super good than maybe some people think.

672
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: Yep. And there's a way to hedge against it, and

673
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: that's you know, Sanderson called their trophy ticket or DJ

674
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: Smith to win the Jack Adams. The other coach that

675
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: we really like in this market is Derek Laland And

676
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: like I said, well, we'll group the Senators and Red

677
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: Wings together because I think that the narrative is very similar.

678
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: They're in the same division. The odds are pretty similar.

679
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: The Red Wings brought in David Paran. They brought in

680
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: Andrew copp Olie, Matta, Bench Sharrott on the blue line

681
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: to help solidify that cord. They're building that blue line

682
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: around most Cider. They're building their top six forwards around

683
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: Dylan Larkin, Lucas Raymond and Tyler Bertuzzi, and they just

684
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: got better. Like Cop and Paran are great supporting cast members.

685
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: Cop is very versatile. Paran you can basically pencil him

686
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: in for twenty five goals and a net positive basically

687
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: every time he sets on the ice, you know their

688
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: jury's out. On Sharat the jury's out on only Matta,

689
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: but they do provide upgrades to what the Red Wings

690
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: were rolling out there in terms of their defense last year.

691
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: And then they signed Villa Husso as a goaltender who

692
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: in kind of like Tristan Jerry like, he had a bad,

693
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: very bad year, and then he followed it up with

694
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: a terrific one last season for the Blues. He comes

695
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: over to tandem with Alex Adalkovich, who was the opposite

696
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: He had a great year with Carolina, was a Caller

697
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: Trophy nominee, and then was bad on a week's team

698
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: that was just a defensive sieve. So how much can

699
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: you read into it, I don't know, but that tandem

700
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: has some upside. I think, you know, pretty high upside.

701
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: So I would say I'm more bullish on Detroit's season

702
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: long outlook than I am on the Senators, which I

703
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: think is against what the markets suggesting. But I think

704
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: that has a lot to do with how the hype

705
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: has been covered with these two teams, a little bit

706
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: that the Red Wings have been like simmering while the

707
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: Red the Senators are boiling. But once again, favorite bet

708
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: on the board is Derek laland he's a rookie head coach.

709
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: If he brings a team like the Red Wings back

710
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: to the playoffs after missing for I think six years

711
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: in a row, he'll be the favorite to win the award.

712
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: And they're around three to one to make it. So

713
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: instead of betting the three to one on Detroit to

714
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, if you are interested in that, just

715
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: take Lalande at a much much bigger number to win

716
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: Coach the Year.

717
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I totally agree, love the lalan play.

718
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: I think the downside of this defense could be worse

719
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: than people are thinking, because yeah, those two better and

720
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: they brought in have been getting just worked over at

721
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: five on five of late. So I think that's a

722
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: pretty big concern where when you really dive into it,

723
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: they might not upgrade the defense score very much. And

724
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: I think that's a big, big concern. But with that

725
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: said that goaltending Tenem has the outside of it's right

726
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: out there with any of the teams in the East,

727
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: and then the offensive core at like a lot of

728
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: what they're building.

729
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: It's really interesting top nine, like even like the Dominic

730
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: Kuba League signing like the these are NHL capable NHL

731
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: players rather than lottery tickets that you see teams in

732
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: like rebuilding years do like like for example, like the

733
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: first one who comes to my mind is like Andreas

734
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: nothing to say you like, Yeah, he might be a

735
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: twenty five goal scorer, but he's going to do that

736
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: for you on a veteran minimum contract and then walk elsewhere.

737
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: That's how rebuilding NHL goes. Let's stay here this We've

738
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 2: we've been in agreement a lot here and this one

739
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: will be a little more just divisive. The Toronto Maple

740
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: Leafs are depending on where you look. There's they're the

741
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: second favorite to win the Stanley Cup ten to one

742
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: at fan duel, with Carolina as the joint second favorite

743
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: behind Colorado. I think that's pricing them at their ceiling

744
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: because of they're too they're just too thin around the edges,

745
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: because of the way they've structured their roster. And I

746
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: think the goaltending, yeah, might work out. Samsonov has a

747
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: great pedigree. We've seen Matt Murray have great seasons, but

748
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: both of them are coming off back to back and

749
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: in Murray's case, back to back to back poor seasons.

750
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: So and he's got the injury issues. Of course, Samsonov

751
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: has the off ice stuff. There's a number of ways

752
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: this goes. And well, I agree that this is still

753
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: a really good team with two of the best players

754
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: in the world and then a supporting cast of you know,

755
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: three or four other players that are really strong. It's

756
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: the floor that scares me of investing, you know ten,

757
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: a team that's going to be priced at ten to

758
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: one Stanley Cup. So I think an under is because

759
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: if the division is going to be a lot tighter,

760
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: like I said, like last year, the playoff race was settled,

761
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: like there was no pressure on this team at all

762
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: to collect points down the stretch, so they could kind

763
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: of coast it into the playoffs. I think in you

764
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: can basically subtract like eight points from every team that

765
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: made the playoffs in the in the Atlantic in a

766
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: weird way because those are just naturally get distributed to Buffalo,

767
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: Detroit and Ottawa will step forward, Montreal should step forward.

768
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: That puts Toronto one oh seven. That's right around where

769
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: they their their season point total is. So I'm not

770
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: saying that I like you bet to miss the playoffs,

771
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: but I think if you're going to bet them, if

772
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 2: I was going to bet them, would be on the under.

773
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is we both know this is

774
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: the one where kind of the most divided on and

775
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: to your credit, like, I think I'm probably the only

776
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: respected analysts I've seen trying to defend this team over

777
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: the summer. But I just think that their high end

778
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: guys put their their ceiling so so far above some

779
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: of these guys. Like when I look at I totally

780
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: see whither the second Cup favorite or tied forward at a

781
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: lot of books because I just love what they have

782
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: in Matthews, Marner and Nelander so much.

783
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: And then I.

784
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: Actually just like I think the peripheral players are a

785
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: lot better than people think. Like Rasmus send Means a

786
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 3: guy that I love, I'm really high on him. Getting

787
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: him signed now could be really good. He wants to

788
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: sign there now for that ticket that he just did

789
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: because he thinks he's going to go out and dominate,

790
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: which is actually I think really reasonable. I really like

791
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: the guy, So I just I think there is enough

792
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: upside that you can buy into. I think they are

793
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: a very warranted Cup favorite. I know that's not a

794
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: common take. And then the other thing, Matt Murray I

795
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: think had a better season last year, and this is

796
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: what the Leaves are hanging their hat on. Then people

797
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 3: thought he got left out to dry a lot behind

798
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: what was a terrible Senators team, and then same thing

799
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: with Samson Up. I think he has a lot more

800
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: upside when he's dialed in than people think. He's obviously

801
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: had his off ice flaws, but the talent's there. He's

802
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 3: a star when he's on and even with the Cap,

803
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: they went twenty three to twelve and seven with him

804
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: in the net, and that team, that Caps team fought

805
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: through a lot last year, and as a Cap ten,

806
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: I'm not going to try to say they have the

807
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: upside of the Leaves. So personally, like, through all the

808
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: hate and all the people who think they're kind of overvalued,

809
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: I think they're going to come into the season and

810
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: be really good.

811
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Like I'm willing to put that out there that I

812
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: think more.

813
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: Often than not, this is just going to be a

814
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: really good hockey team that ends up rightfully entering the

815
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: playoffs as one of the Cup favorites. There might be

816
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: some struggles, and obviously with their media and the way

817
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: that team gets covered, they are going to get blown

818
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 3: out of proportion. But I just feel pretty confident that

819
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: when we get to the postseason, they're going to be

820
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: one of the teams entering with the realistic upside to

821
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: win it all.

822
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: The Leafs kind of like the Rangers a little bit.

823
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: They didn't really deal with much in terms of like

824
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: COVID issues last year. Their main guys were healthy for

825
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: most of the season as well. I do wonder like

826
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: how this team copes if we see an injury cluster

827
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: like we are right now for them in the train

828
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: in training camp, because I I like, you know, players

829
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: like Nick Nicholas all Bay cobell and and Eric cha

830
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: excuse me, Kel Young Crook and uh you know Alex Kurfoot.

831
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: Those guys, Yeah, they' they're they're good middle six players.

832
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: But because of the way they're covered, like everyone is

833
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: the solution to the they're the least problems that Zach

834
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: Gaston Reese is the perfect fit for the fourth line,

835
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: or Nicholas Albay coubell Is is a great is going

836
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: to be a fan favorite, like that's how they're covered.

837
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: So I think that those guys often get you know,

838
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: blown out of proportion a little bit, Like if if

839
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: Zach Asen Reese was on the Carolina Hurricanes would be

840
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: like yes, this you know, suitable fourth line player, but

841
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: because he's on the leafs on a PTL like he becomes,

842
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, some defensive wizard and he's a good defensive player,

843
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: but he's not really going to contribute much offensively. Yeah,

844
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that this is a team that,

845
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 2: like you said, gonna be good, but I just don't

846
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: think that they should be priced the way they are,

847
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: which is, yeah, the second favorite until until that goaltending

848
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: ten improves. It to me that the main concern with Murray,

849
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: of course is is health more than anything, and they're

850
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: gonna be asking a lot of him, uh you know

851
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: if he's if he's on that that that contract and

852
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: they presume he's going to be the starter. I think

853
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: you and I are kind of an agreement that sam

854
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: Sonov will likely play more, just with the way the

855
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: NHL seasons go on. But yeah, they'll they'll suck up

856
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: a ton of airtime, especially in the beginning of the

857
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: season the least will Let's talk about the team that

858
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: bounced them in the first round last year. That's Tampa

859
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Bay Lightning. In a weird way, Tampa Bay is underrated

860
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: this season. I don't know how that's happened. They've won

861
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: two Cups in a row. Then they made it to

862
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup final last year and lost to a

863
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: generational team in the Avalanche. They're twelve to one to

864
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: win the Stanley Cup, and I think people just have

865
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: lightning fatigue a little bit, so they're not going to be,

866
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, the favorite. They had a couple of guys

867
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: that needed to leave town because of contract or salary

868
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: salary cap issues in Andre Plott and Ryan McDonalds are

869
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: important players, they're not your placeable and the corp is

870
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: still there. Right, You got three and points should be healthy.

871
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: Steven Stampkos he might be the most underrated player in

872
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 2: the league, which is crazy to say. Two one hundred

873
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: and six points last year for stamp Coast in a

874
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: healthy season. Kucharov, headman, Sergachev Turnak, and then of course

875
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: the goaltender Andrey Vasilewskian and the coach John Cooper the lightning.

876
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: To me, if I was going to pick a team

877
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: under you know, in the top five that I want

878
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: to bet a Stanley Cup future on, it would be

879
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. I don't hate I would never bet a

880
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: favorite in an awards market, but I don't hate John

881
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: Cooper at tend to want to win Coach of the

882
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Year because there's a narrative going around. He's never won

883
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: it before. So if he gets this team, everyone's expecting

884
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 2: them all like is it over? Is the windows shut?

885
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: And then if he gets them to win the division

886
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: or to get into the playoffs, everyone's going to make

887
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: him the coach of the year if we don't see

888
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: a crazy, you know, surprise team make the playoffs or whatever.

889
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: So that's how I would look at the lightning. I'll

890
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: sit back and wait because you could see them pay themselves.

891
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: You might be able to catch a higher number later

892
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: on in the year. So Tampa Bay is a.

893
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: Team that I still believe in, but just I'm not

894
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: betting on Yeah. I think you hit it all perfectly there.

895
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: They're still going to be really good barring serious injury.

896
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: I don't really see how they're not a know, safely

897
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: coasting into the playoffs. Especially Vasilevski. We talked about how

898
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: many goalies do we know for sure are going to

899
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: be a rock. He's going to be a rock. If

900
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: he's moderately healthy, he's going to play good. I think

901
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: we can pretty much lock that in and that's a

902
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: pretty short list for teams like that. And Yeah, one

903
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: thing we've seen it the last two seasons, they've had

904
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: some pretty serious stretches middle of the year where they

905
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: weren't playing very good hockey. I think that's pretty pretty

906
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: possible this year that they kind of follow that road.

907
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: And one thing I think is worth commenting on in

908
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: their division, I think Toronto would love to maybe win

909
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: the division as much as possible because they hate that

910
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: first round narrative and getting a soft matchup compared to

911
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: what they got last year when I thought they actually

912
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: played excellent hockey. Being Tampa I think is huge for them.

913
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: So with I really like Tampa, but they're a team

914
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: that to win the division I still don't think is

915
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: a super strong bet. Even considering that, I think Florida

916
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: are probably overvalued.

917
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lightning are weird because I think this twelve

918
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: to one number is just going to hang around all

919
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: season because, like you said, they're going to do that

920
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: their normal thing, which is they'll they'll pay themselves. We'll

921
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: talk in February, like, oh, do we believe that the

922
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: Lightning are actually you know, are they done? Are they

923
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: fatigued that they played so much hockey over the past

924
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: few seasons, and then the week before the season ends,

925
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: they'll snap it into gear and they'll look really good

926
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Yeah, you can kind of just pump

927
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: the brakes on investing in Tampa right now, but I

928
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: think their team just have circled in the back of

929
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: your mind as the season goes on. One of the

930
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: perennial favorites in this division is the Boston Bruins, but

931
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: this season the market's kind of soured on them, and

932
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: there's legitimate reasons for it to do that. Charlie McAvoy

933
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: is hurt, Brad mash Marshan's hurt. They won't be back

934
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: until American Thanksgiving at the earliest. Matt Grizzlick is hurt.

935
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: His timeline might be a little sooner than those two.

936
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: Right away. That's your best winger, your best defenseman, and

937
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: maybe your most important player in McAvoy and his partner

938
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: Mat Grizzlick. So the Bruins have drifted. They're like twenty

939
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: five to one. They're the behind Florida, Toronto and Tampa

940
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: Bay to win the division. This is usually a team

941
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: that is either the favorite or a co favorite in

942
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: the Atlantic new coach Jim Montgomery goaltending tandem now in

943
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: it's second full season with Tukarask retired, David Crachie's back

944
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Patrese Bergeron came back for another season, so they largely

945
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: kept the band back together. But the band is really

946
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: good and when Marshan and McAvoy come back like this

947
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: could be an elite team. The question is whether they've

948
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: fallen too far a drift time by that time that

949
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: that happens. I don't think that's the case. I actually

950
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: think the Bruins are team. I really like you could.

951
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: Probably this is being a little risky because just in

952
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: case they do storm out of the gates, but I

953
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: think you can wait see if the Bruins starts slow

954
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: and then by a really big number relative to what

955
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: this team usually is priced at thirty five to one

956
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: on them to win the Stanley Cup. If you're kind

957
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: of seeing them, you know, just treading water, waiting for

958
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: Marshannon McAvoy, and then when the cavalry returns, you could

959
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: be paid off. So that's my favorite strategy with the

960
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: Bruins is I believe in them. I think they're good.

961
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: I think they're vastly underrated relative to the market, and

962
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: you look at this division, but I uh, I'm gonna

963
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: sit back. I'm gonna wait. I like Swaymen also as

964
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: a Vesna outsider because of the way that the defense

965
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: plays in front of him. I think I'm really high

966
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: on him as a goalie, so a swim in bed

967
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: and then other than that, just can kind of sit

968
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: back and watch the Bruins. But I think you're pretty

969
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: high in them as well.

970
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the Bruins. I think waiting is the

971
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: perfect strategy because we've seen how it goes. With these

972
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: NHL odds, they're not going to update it too thoroughly,

973
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: so I think Boston will need to really have a

974
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 3: very strong stretch without those guys for us to really

975
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: regret this strategy. But more likely, even if they tread

976
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: water somewhat successfully, it's still going to be right around

977
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: twenty five to one I expect by the time we're

978
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: seeing marsh end and macavoy get back in the lineup.

979
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of the right way to

980
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: look at it and just see how it goes for

981
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: them at the start.

982
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think if the Bruins are a team

983
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: where you're gonna bet them, you should just bet the upside.

984
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: And you know, I really don't see too many reasons

985
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: to go against them. I think that the upside is clear,

986
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: and if they get into the postseason, they'll be a

987
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: really tough out with the way they played. And I

988
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: like Montgomery as a coach. He had his personal demons

989
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: he dealt with after the Dallas situation, but that Stars

990
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: team was really good defensively and he had them playing well.

991
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Bruins, I kind of like we talked

992
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: about with the Capitals a little bit. The fact that

993
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: the market sentiment is so against them has provided you

994
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: with a pretty good opportunity. Here. Let's talk about the Panthers.

995
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: Now.

996
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: You and I both think they're overvalued. Tell them why. So.

997
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: The main concern with Florida, for me and for everyone

998
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: that's pumping this narrative is the defense core, which is

999
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: just it's really shallow now for a team that's supposed

1000
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: to be one of the very best and a preseason

1001
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: Cup favorite. They lost Mackenzie Wieger, who was unreal for

1002
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: them last season. Is their number two defenseman, and he

1003
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: was stellar on a team which already defending was their

1004
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: clear flaw and that loss I think just could be

1005
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: massive and I think they're undervaluing that. And then they

1006
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: also lost Jonathan Huberto, but obviously that's going to be

1007
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: counteracted as they brought in Matthew Kuchuk, So that's not

1008
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: really my point of contention with this team. And then

1009
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: the goaltending duo. I'm a little higher on Spencer Night

1010
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: than some people entering this season, and obviously I think

1011
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: they locked him up to that deal this summer with

1012
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: the plans of playing him a lot more and trying

1013
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: to keep the value down when he plays and possibly

1014
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: does well. But Sergei Barowski, I think counting on him

1015
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: to do what he did last year is a bit

1016
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: of a stretch. I think it's pretty realistic that he

1017
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: could take a step back from what we've seen. And

1018
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, if the defense corp takes a step back,

1019
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: but Bbarowski takes a step back, this team's probably not

1020
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: going to score like they did last season, you know,

1021
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: all eighty two games in what was a historic output.

1022
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: So I think there's some realistic flaws that could be exposed.

1023
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: For sure.

1024
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: The Spencer Knight point is what I want to expand

1025
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: on I think he's worth a flyer in the Vest.

1026
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: In the market, he's one hundred and seventy five to one,

1027
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: as high as that out there, and that's an absurd

1028
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: number because that contract that he just signed, like you said,

1029
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: it does kind of tip their hand like this is

1030
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 2: our guy, even though Bubrowski's on a ten million dollars

1031
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: a year deal. And if the Panthers are good, I

1032
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: think both of us the floor is much lower. So

1033
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: six to one to miss the playoffs is fine, but

1034
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean, most likely they're a good team again, I

1035
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: think we both both can agree to that. Like the

1036
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: talent is there, their their four depth is good. The

1037
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: defense court could just be a disaster. But if they

1038
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: are good again they come close to one hundred points,

1039
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: that probably means that Spencer Knight has a great season

1040
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: and he won't be one hundred and seventy five to

1041
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: one as the season goes on. So I like Spencer

1042
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: Knight to win the Vest and as my favorite Florida

1043
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: Panthers bet And like I said, triple digits out there,

1044
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't think anything above you know, seventy five to

1045
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: one is great, So one hundred and seventy five to

1046
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: one is is really good that'll move towards the two

1047
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: also rans, and I think that's actually a little harsh

1048
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: on them because Buffalo and Montreal should be better this season.

1049
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: Does that mean that they'll be knocking on the door

1050
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: for the playoffs. No, we saw Montreal get much better

1051
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: as Martin Saint Louis took over. I think it was

1052
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: just like a breath of fresh air. I don't think

1053
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: that team was gelling with Dominique u charm very well,

1054
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: and everybody on that roster got better in the second half.

1055
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: And part of that is probably just you couldn't play

1056
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: much worse than they did in the first half. But

1057
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: they did look well. Nick Suzuki, Cole call Field, like,

1058
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: there's a young car E merging here, number one overall

1059
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: pick from last draft, your eye Slopkowski if he cracks

1060
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: the roster, Like, there's enough young pieces with upside here

1061
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: that I just think Montreal is going to surpass what

1062
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: they did last year, which is a very low bar

1063
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: fifty five points finished dead last, minus ninety eight gold differential.

1064
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: But I just think that this is a team is

1065
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: going to probably provide you more value then less value

1066
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: over an eighty two game season. On a game to

1067
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: game betting basis.

1068
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're perfectly on it there. I probably

1069
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: mainly just going to hope they don't bust our worst

1070
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 3: team futures that I'm pretty high on. But I think

1071
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: that there's enough upside there. And yeah, I think the

1072
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: main thing it's kind of obvious to say, but it

1073
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: seemed like when Saint Louis took over, it was just

1074
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: as simple as a team wanting to come play hockey again,

1075
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 3: Whereas things got so ugly in the middle last year.

1076
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: Just who wants to be there, Like, just outside of

1077
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: being a professional, they're miserable, And I think Saint Louis

1078
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: came in and was a breath of fresh air and

1079
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: a lot of guys start having some fun and hopefully

1080
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: that'll carry over into what is a pretty strong year.

1081
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: But obviously they're still going to be bottoms six or seven.

1082
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: I think maybe a little higher than adds makers are expecting.

1083
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I think that's that's probably right. I think

1084
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: that they had nineteen wins or sixteen regulation wins, twenty

1085
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: two wins last season, twenty two out of eighty two.

1086
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: That's just really bad there. That's not they're going to

1087
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: clear that easily. And I think they're a team that

1088
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the season, while while everyone else

1089
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: is kind of sorting out, whether it's like a new

1090
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: coach and new pieces and just getting their act together,

1091
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: they could be a little sneaky because there'll be a big,

1092
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: big prices right out of the gate.

1093
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: They are They already are the price versus Toronto on

1094
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: opening or second night of the years. As someone who

1095
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: loves Toronto, I already was thinking that game could very

1096
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: realistically be played a lot closer than that price suggests.

1097
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that is definitely a point to watch.

1098
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 2: The last team we'll talk about on this our first

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00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: part of our two part NHL Betting Mega preview, the

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00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: Buffalo Sabers. And a reminder, you can listen to our

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00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: Western Conference preview on line change our NHL Betting podcast feed,

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00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: where you'll hear Nick and I break down the sixteen

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00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: teams out West. The Sabers, for I would say the

1104
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: last few seasons before the pandemic, they had this like

1105
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: weird kind of aura about them where almost like the Senators.

1106
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: This season, everyone was just expecting that this is the season,

1107
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: this is the season, and they even though they were

1108
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: still long odds going into every year they were overrated,

1109
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: like they were a fifty to one team that was

1110
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: way overrated. And this season, I feel like people have

1111
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: kind of learned their lesson with Buffalo. So look, they

1112
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: look appropriately priced. But this is a team much like

1113
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: the Ottawa Senators. Ottawa Senator is the past two seasons

1114
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: where the team that punched up best is a big underdog,

1115
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: like they'd pay off the most, like you know one

1116
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: seventy five or longer. The Sabers I have circled to

1117
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: kind of fill that role this season. This is a

1118
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: team that is all pulling in the right direction for

1119
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: the first time going into a year, the jack Ico

1120
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: situation got sorted. They have a young core, they're building

1121
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: around the directions there. The goaltending is concern that the

1122
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: depth is a concern, The defense is a concern. But

1123
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: with guys like Alex Tuck and you know, Jeff Skinner, TJ. Thompson,

1124
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: bringing along del and Cousins, Jack Quinn, JJ Petirka, Power

1125
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: Dali and like there's a team that when they show

1126
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: up and they play teams like Florida, Toronto, Tampa, like

1127
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: they're gonna give them a game. So I think the Sabers.

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00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: There's one other team we'll talk about in the Western

1129
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: Conference that will challenge them for this title, but I

1130
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: think the Sabers will probably be the team I have

1131
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: the most individual game by game bets on as the

1132
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: season goes on.

1133
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the Sabers that like a lot of

1134
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: the young pieces and what they've got working for them.

1135
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: And and to touch on our bed on worst regular

1136
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: season record again, that we're there's a couple of teams

1137
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 3: were like in there the odds makers are putting, say

1138
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: like Buffalo with a realistic chance of being in that race,

1139
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: and the fact that I like what's going on with

1140
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 3: them is one of the reasons that I think the

1141
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: teams the Flyers and the Hawks that we do like

1142
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: to finish last in that race have some good upside.

1143
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: The prices are long. They're on those two because of

1144
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: teams like the Safebors that are our priced to be

1145
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: in that mix, but I think they won't be. With

1146
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: the young talents at hand and all pulling in the

1147
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: right direction, I'm.

1148
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: Going to lose a lot of money on this team

1149
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: as the season goes on. And on that note, we'll

1150
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: end this episode of the Action Network Podcast for Nick Martin.

1151
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm Michael Leebuff and a reminder to download and subscribe

1152
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: to Line Change if you are someone who likes to

1153
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: have a flutter on hockey. We'll be there every Tuesday

1154
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: and Thursday morning throughout the season. We also have a

1155
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: few season preview pods up their favorite Futures, Favorite awards bets,

1156
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: and then you'll find our Western Conference preview there. So

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Speaker 2: until then, thank you for listening to the Action Network Podcast,

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