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Speaker 1: Your teams about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 2: Our number two of the drive here is we're getting

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Speaker 2: closer and closer to the real thing. A little over

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours from now, the NFL will be back

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Speaker 2: in action, of course, with a classic NFC East rivalry. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Michael Parsons list Cowboys against the defending champion Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna raise that banner? Can I okay, quick, little

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Speaker 2: pet peeve? The Eagles tomorrow night are gonna raise a

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Speaker 2: banner that's not the pet peeve. I know the Streeler.

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Speaker 2: I know the Steelers don't do that thing. Some teams

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Speaker 2: do whatever. Personal choice, personal choice, no wrong answer, no

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Speaker 2: right answer. One thing that bothers me is you go

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Speaker 2: to these stadiums where teams do hang banners like that, Matt,

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Speaker 2: and you'll see tonight the Eagles will hang one that

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Speaker 2: will say twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five World champions Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You grew up on the playground like I

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Speaker 2: did Recess sports. Never once did me and my buddies

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Speaker 2: go we just won the World Championship. We're playing for

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl right right. Every sport does that. It

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Speaker 2: drives me nuts. I know this is a total aside,

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Speaker 2: but it's like when you were a kid and you're

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Speaker 2: standing on the in the batter's box. It's the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the ninth inning, two outs, World Series. No one's

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Speaker 2: going we won the World No, you wanted to win

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Speaker 2: a World Series. You wanted to win a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: you wanted to win a Stanley Cup. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to win a World championship. That just bothers me.

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Speaker 3: Like I guess like hockey and basketball are more relevant.

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Speaker 3: I guess baseball would be two played around. You're not

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Speaker 3: the only league in town. Maybe you're the best one.

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Speaker 2: You're definitely the best week.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to fight you on that, but you didn't

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Speaker 3: beat every team in Italy. If you're in the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: That's the talking point that a lot of people use,

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't even It's like the fact that like

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Speaker 2: none of those guys on the Eagles when they were

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Speaker 3: So along those lines, I think we had this conversation

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Speaker 3: at Sharkey's camp and that I think Mike brought it

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Speaker 3: up pursuit of that. If you walk in Duke and

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Speaker 3: you see the banners, the level of how good a

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Speaker 3: banner needs to be is a lot different than some places.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we came in second in the ACC East, Like

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Speaker 2: It's matt. When I was in the three years that

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Speaker 2: I lived and work in Philadelphia, I went up to

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Speaker 2: big college hockey thing between Boston, Boston College, Harvard North

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Speaker 2: It's a tournament that they have every year. It's a

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Speaker 2: big deal. And I remember like great end oh absolutely

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Speaker 2: those that went to those schools. Absolutely going into the

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Speaker 2: Boston Garden. It's like half of it is Celtics retired

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Speaker 2: numbers and fifty championship. In the other half is it

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Speaker 2: is like we year Bruins retired players and like they're

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Speaker 2: five or six Stanley Cups. However many they have. There's

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Speaker 2: no division title banners hanging up there. Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 2: is That is the way it should be. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just tonight I'm gonna be like world champions. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. You wanted to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You won the Super Bowl. Take some pride in that, baby.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm cool with like Yoager Lemu scoring title.

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Speaker 3: That's not a banner.

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Speaker 2: The Colts have one hanging up that they always get

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Speaker 2: ripped on for it. It says twenty fifteen AFC Championship

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Speaker 2: game appearance that got down. Sometimes the jokes just right themselves, right, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Continuing our ongoing theme here of over and unders that

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Speaker 2: go to the NFC South today. That's all right with you?

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Speaker 2: surprise here. Tampa Bay has the highest over under in

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Speaker 3: Those six teams, and then that goes a long way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, even though they have a first play schedule, they

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Speaker 3: Five starting it's a good starting point. If you start

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Speaker 3: That being said, I got an emailed or a tweet

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Speaker 3: I do think their defense is a little overrated. You know,

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Speaker 2: I do think they'll win the division, but they could

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. They probably get the ten.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. That's why I keep going backwards in

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over. I think you get the ten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think they're definitely nine or ten wins.

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Speaker 3: Vegas is smartened up on these because it used to

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Speaker 3: And if they were a ten, I think nine's way

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Speaker 3: more likely than eleven. Completely agree, but I think they

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Speaker 2: Completely agree.

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Speaker 3: All you could do its five and six outside division.

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Speaker 2: And when you look at these other three teams and

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Speaker 2: Falcons next up seven and a half? Is there? Over

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Speaker 3: As, I said, the schedule really makes me go over

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Speaker 3: terms of they're ready to contend all this nonsense. Their

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Speaker 3: I think they have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 2: They just have a lot of questions. And I think

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Speaker 3: I'd go under because it's so it's a good point favorable.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. You get hooked and you can't can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't win them all.

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Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers six and a half. They have the everyone

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Speaker 2: in this division a top ten East schedule, which makes

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Speaker 3: I'm still going under.

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Speaker 2: I think so too.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Bryce Younger to win seven games.

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Speaker 2: very hard to win more than six games with that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't think Bryce Young is gonna Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow your way to shootouts and win thirty.

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Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints' third easiest schedule in the NFL, according

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think they're a little better than people think.

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Speaker 3: Like everyone looks at the Browns and Saints as clearly

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Speaker 3: noticeably better than the Browns. They have a young O

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Speaker 2: They've got some proven playmakers.

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Speaker 3: and that's huge. I understand there's a giant elephant in

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Speaker 3: the room at the quarterback, but they have an offensive

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Speaker 3: going under. I thought they'd be at like five and

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Speaker 3: a half, though I can't see him getting seven.

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Speaker 2: I can't see him getting seven.

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Speaker 3: They're six and a half right, they're six and a half.

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Speaker 2: I can't see him, and I'm with you on this.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people lump them into the

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to be better than people think,

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Speaker 2: but that necessarily won't be reflected in a seven or

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Speaker 2: eight win season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they're going to be a doormat.

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Speaker 2: They'll play and lose a lot of close games, but

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Speaker 2: Better than thirty two? Right? Right? Right, Matt, what do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not going to do this Thursday Friday exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So let's get into it now, Arizona Party.

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals would be my four leeway, right, But I

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair way to put it. I

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Speaker 2: a half is there over under number in Vegas? Right now?

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Speaker 2: They have the eleventh easiest schedule in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: I know the Niners have the easiest schedule in the league.

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Speaker 3: So the divisions these teams must play must be I

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Speaker 2: There's not a doormat three games.

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Speaker 3: Right right right. I'm still under on Arizona. I think

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Speaker 2: But didn't have the rookie season last year that I

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Speaker 3: I still think he's a good player, but I don't

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Speaker 3: they're under. Yeah, I don't love Kyler.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Yeah, I don't love Kyler. I

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Speaker 2: You know, unless you're able to process and and dice

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Speaker 3: And like all athletes, So I mean, he inevitably is

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Speaker 2: The Rams nine and a half half is there over

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Speaker 2: twelfth most difficult schedule in the NFL, and.

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Speaker 3: They play a first place schedule. Stafford's back is the

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Speaker 2: That's if you tell me, can you tell me he

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Speaker 2: plays seventeen games? I think that's an easy over.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But and I think they can make noise in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs, absolutely be a contender. And then I don't

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Speaker 3: throw that word around much. And I also think McVay

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Speaker 3: he has Jimmy Garoppolo for four day four games.

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Speaker 2: Not the end, they might split two three or you.

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Speaker 3: Know, they'll they'll make something happen. I'm gonna go under though.

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Speaker 3: To me, it's just kind of a fragile build. There's

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Speaker 2: Schedule's not easy. There's a lot of potential mishaps that

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Speaker 2: could happen. Yeah, with that roster, mainly with Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 2: but they are Listen, I really like the roster. But

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Speaker 3: I think I'm on the fence. It's a good number.

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Speaker 2: It is a very good number. If it's ten and

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Speaker 2: it's an easy over.

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Speaker 3: Again, if it was nine, I would definitely go over.

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Speaker 2: You know what, though, I think I'm gonna lean over.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna give McVeigh benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 3: I mean it kind of goes about saying, but with

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Speaker 3: used to be, you know what I mean? Ten and

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Speaker 3: Sure sure would be ten and six, Like you're definitely

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Speaker 2: San Francisco, the forty nine ers highest in the divisions,

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Speaker 2: can win eleven games. I don't know. They're another one

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Speaker 2: with a lot of injury questions.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna play like four starters on defense that are rookies.

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Speaker 3: That scares the heck out of me. A lot of

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Speaker 3: lot of injuries at receiver. McCaffrey's back there in the

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Speaker 3: but I don't think their division schedules super easy.

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Speaker 2: I mean if they go three and three in the division, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I say this all the time. By Shanahan, he's been

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Speaker 2: Dig and been in the NFC Championship Game or further. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And last year was bad, which often means the next

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go under two. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: I can still win the division with a ten game.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly possible. They could go ten and seven and

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Speaker 3: Ten and a half was a number, right, Ten and

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Speaker 2: I would too. I think I'm gonna take the under

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Speaker 2: know this is what they do. They'll win three games

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Speaker 2: and then they'll win thirteen games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah oh yeah, but that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually that catches up to you. And the offensive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of young gus, a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Agree. And finally, the Seattle Seahawks seven

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Speaker 3: I am very much on the over I'm a big

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Speaker 3: I think they're one of those five teams we've been

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Speaker 3: offense coordinator change. They hired a University of Washington's offense

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Speaker 3: just saying that your first coaching staff as a head

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Speaker 3: I wish Metcalf was still there. They could use another guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't trust Cooper cop, but I think I could

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Speaker 3: see him win that division. Really, I could see it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they'd be my pick, but I could

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Speaker 2: Then that's an over four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't adore them, but I like their defense

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Speaker 2: To say they only win seven I think is a

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Speaker 2: you know, that's a funny follow up about you. Remember

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Speaker 2: it is a.

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Speaker 3: Much different athlete, blitz packages and right.

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Speaker 2: Completely different game. What expect enough tikto in year two?

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Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 3: I've told you that I've had success playing this game

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Speaker 3: bet against them, but I bet their their head coach

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Speaker 2: Hey, I still remember after his first year, Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 3: They don't give you an owner's manual, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, there's not a clear laid out blueprint of.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like becoming a parent for the first time.

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Speaker 3: Where are the instructions where's the instruction man?

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Speaker 3: I feel like TVs figured this out. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of this, you know, this younger

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Speaker 2: We're all just our very own ecosystem here. I tell you.

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Speaker 2: That's it for our team over and unders exercise for

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Speaker 2: the seasons. If anybody, as Matt mentioned, if anybody tracked those,

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Speaker 2: we would love to know how we did at the

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Speaker 2: end of the season. Not to you know, make anybody

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Speaker 2: else produce the show for us, but why don't you

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Speaker 2: go ahead and produce the show for us?

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Speaker 3: That would be very nice.

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Speaker 2: Rolling along here when we return. Like I said, I've

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Speaker 2: teased it a couple of times. Matt puts out a

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Speaker 2: lot of great tweets that have information and stats and

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Speaker 2: a hodge podge of information. Maybe that's what we'll call it.

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Speaker 2: I want to go through a hodgepodge of some of

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Speaker 2: the things that Matt has unearthed that have caught my

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Speaker 2: eye here in the last couple of days. Will do

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Speaker 2: that when we return West Schueler. Matt Williamson. It is

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Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: So for those who might not know, and I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: most of you do, this is the Drive. This is

457
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Speaker 2: the the baby of Matt Williamson and Dale Lawley that

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Speaker 2: you guys have what I mean, close to a decade

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Speaker 2: built up over here, right. Do you remember the exact

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Speaker 2: year you guys started doing it.

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Speaker 3: It's not my job. He's the big brother. He knows

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Speaker 3: these things. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, Motes and I were eight years.

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Speaker 3: Were well before, so you guys.

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Speaker 2: Were definitely a couple of years before us. So yeah, obviously.

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Speaker 3: Didn't even know each other. It threw it together.

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Speaker 2: And like say, Motes and I met the day before

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Speaker 2: we started doing a show together. Day before we had

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Speaker 2: like a twenty minute meeting with with Brian Lamartine and

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Speaker 2: our iHeart boss here and I was like, all right, guys,

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Speaker 2: let's do a show.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember the name Randy slack,

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Speaker 3: good dude.

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Speaker 2: Of course I do. Yeah, the v producer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the three of us and we were

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Speaker 3: in this tiny little corner of the video room down

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Speaker 3: at the at the side, a round like bar table.

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Speaker 3: We all kind of huddled around and Randy God Bless,

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Speaker 3: it's always a great dude. He would bring us in

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Speaker 3: and then.

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Speaker 2: You guys would talk for you for.

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Speaker 3: Two hours straight and then he'd be like, and that's

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Speaker 3: the show, Like, like, I think this is gonna go

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Speaker 3: pretty well between That's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. So I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: most of you are familiar with Matt Williamson. Uh, just

487
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Speaker 2: his Matt Stats, his deep dive into a lot of

488
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Speaker 2: the numbers and the analytics and the things behind the

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Speaker 2: first level you know, football stuff, the master's level, right,

490
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Speaker 2: like you got your PhD in this stuff, mister Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Your law to agree.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've embraced analytics a great deal over the

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Speaker 3: last five to ten years. Yes, you know, I think

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Speaker 3: more so than a lot of people in this.

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Speaker 2: Town completely agree, especially in this town where things tend

496
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Speaker 2: to be a little more old school, and there's.

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Speaker 3: It takes some convincing, It takes some good, EPA, what

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Speaker 3: are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: You know, when I started in twenty eighteen, it was

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Speaker 2: either twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, my first year or

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Speaker 2: two here, and I remember it was something like motes

502
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Speaker 2: and I talked about something like that on a segment

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Speaker 2: and we had a couple people tweet us and be like,

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Speaker 2: nobody cares about analytics and fancy status. And I remember

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Speaker 2: talking about this with Pursuda, and Pursuda said this line

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Speaker 2: that still sticks with me. He's a little tough one

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Speaker 2: to pursue us well, but he he is a tough

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Speaker 2: one in that department.

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Speaker 3: But that nuts cracking.

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Speaker 2: Finally, it is fotally cracked. And it relates to what

511
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Speaker 2: he said, because what he told me is he said,

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Speaker 2: football fans in this town turn like the Titanic. You

513
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Speaker 2: just got to give them time. They move, but they

514
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Speaker 2: move slowly, they turn like the Titanics, and just plug

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Speaker 2: away and give them time. You'll get there.

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Speaker 3: You gotta explain it, and I think I do a

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Speaker 3: good job in that in a lot of different forum.

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Speaker 3: You do. This is why it matters, you know, Like,

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Speaker 3: I know you've never heard of this stat but this

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Speaker 3: is what it does. And blah, blah blah.

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Speaker 2: You know, but as you and I have been doing

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Speaker 2: shows together now pretty regularly for the last six seven

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Speaker 2: weeks or whatever it may be, since the start of

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Speaker 2: training camp, and.

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Speaker 3: We've been on the air together for years, and we

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Speaker 3: have done.

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Speaker 2: Stuff at the Draft and the Combine and all those

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Speaker 2: all those different times of the year as well too.

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Speaker 2: I have been bookmarking a lot. You will just throw

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Speaker 2: random nuggets, random tweets out sometimes sometimes at nine in

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Speaker 2: the morning, sometimes at midnight, sometimes at three in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: There's often a glass of bourbon next to me and

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Speaker 3: whatever's on TV, and like, oh, this is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there's sometimes there's a little context to it. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: it is quite literally just here you go.

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Speaker 3: Here's like people, Yeah, I like this to put like

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Speaker 3: a sentence out there and you can just cipher this

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Speaker 3: however you want.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, I've been trying to come up with like away,

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Speaker 2: I would like to do this regularly where I kind

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Speaker 2: of go through and pull out, like separate from the

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Speaker 2: Matt stat stuff that you do. Again, we'll do dedicated

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Speaker 2: stuff for every week and to.

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Speaker 3: Pull back curtain. Sometimes I just cut and paste a

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Speaker 3: bullet point out of Matt's stats correct, I'm like dawned

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Speaker 3: on me and it's on my mind.

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Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to call this the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: Hodgepodge of nothingness, but I don't think this is nothingness.

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Speaker 3: I say, be calling this nothing this So how about.

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Speaker 2: The hot like the opposite? Actually, how about the hodgepodge

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Speaker 2: of randomness?

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Speaker 3: That's cool?

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Speaker 2: Does that work?

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Speaker 3: Because they're they're kind of unprovoked, They just boom, just

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Speaker 3: yeah and again.

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Speaker 2: Some of them kind of fit within context of conversations,

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Speaker 2: other or just others are just good numbers to discuss.

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Speaker 3: Here's funny that one sentence could be a whole segment

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Speaker 3: for us.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes one sentence that you tweet out can be a

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Speaker 2: whole segment. Yeah, yeah, like this one. Let's start here.

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Speaker 3: I've done podcasts on here's one bullet point. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: give you fifteen minutes on it.

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Speaker 2: Across Arthur Smith stops in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this was the last night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no tight end and his offense has ever played

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Speaker 2: more than seventy five percent of the team snaps.

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Speaker 3: I know. I think that's really relevant for what's going

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Speaker 3: on right now. And that's crazy we talk about that's

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Speaker 3: a good one.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this a little bit from a fantasy

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Speaker 2: football perspective when we were talking tight ends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't really want his tight ends.

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Speaker 2: But even bigger picture, I think this will really forget

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Speaker 2: the fantasy stuff as we're talking Steelers related right like this,

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Speaker 2: I think will really paint a picture of how they

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Speaker 2: want it to be. For lack of better term, a

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Speaker 2: group effort or a group project from those three.

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Speaker 3: So fantasy football people, and a lot of these stats

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Speaker 3: and numbers come from those those folks. By the way,

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Speaker 3: it's big business now. Of course, fantasy football people were

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Speaker 3: not and did not give Arthur Smith a good reputation,

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Speaker 3: especially as head coach in Atlanta, where nobody could tell him, no,

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Speaker 3: you know, like you draft Bejean eighth overall and whise

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Speaker 3: Augie you're out there for you know, or Kyle Pitts

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Speaker 3: is off the field, or London he was my third

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Speaker 3: round pick. Why aren't you using them more and more

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Speaker 3: and more? You'd never leave the field throw to him

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Speaker 3: every time. And that's relevant because I think Smith would

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Speaker 3: probably even tell you if he was sitting here, yes,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to use a rotation that even the term

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Speaker 3: depth chart in the NFL is becoming a little more

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Speaker 3: and more obsolete. The Falcons new head coach said today,

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Speaker 3: I don't really believe in depth charts. Third, Nate, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna put Scotty Miller out there, you know, like it's

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Speaker 3: not your fifth on the depths of statuty football. I

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Speaker 3: like three guys that get hurt for you to see

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Speaker 3: the field. No, Scronic's gonna be out there once in

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Speaker 3: a while, you know. So. I think that Smith overall

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Speaker 3: wants to use a lot of people, keep his guys fresh,

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Speaker 3: defenses don't rotate as much. Maybe I can wear them

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Speaker 3: down using more bodies. I can get more hockey lines

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Speaker 3: out there to yours, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 3: maybe that's not always having the best players on the

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Speaker 3: field for every snap. You know it won't be we

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Speaker 3: know that. I mean, if Jon comes off the field,

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Speaker 3: somebody was less than him, algier, but he can't play

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Speaker 3: every snap, and how do you have most effectively used them?

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Speaker 3: But I think it's especially true with tight ends, like

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Speaker 3: to be Frank, I had a problem with the Steelers

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Speaker 3: tight end usage a year ago because when they were

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Speaker 3: in twelve one back two tight ends and I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna explain this every time. Guys, you got to know

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Speaker 3: this by now. You gotta do your homework too.

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Speaker 2: Post Labor Day weekend, it's time to speaking football vernacular.

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Speaker 3: And remember they'd have John hud The tight end room's

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Speaker 3: better now than that, much better, but they're twelve personnel

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Speaker 3: and twenty twenty four too often for my liking, did

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Speaker 3: not include Pat fryermanth it was Michael Pruett, maybe it

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Speaker 3: was Hayward Washington. I must say he never did. But

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Speaker 3: you would think if there's two tight ends on the field,

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Speaker 3: your best guy should be out.

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Speaker 2: Especially when there was your clear cut best guy last

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Speaker 2: year in Pat Frock.

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Speaker 3: He should be eighty five percent of the Tuls personnel

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Speaker 3: and he wasn't. I forget what the number is, but

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Speaker 3: it was low. So there's good, damn bad. But I

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Speaker 3: definitely think with three of them, this is going to

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Speaker 3: keep up. I mean, it's going to get even more

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Speaker 3: so where they're gonna get close to equal snaps. In

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Speaker 3: my opinion, different situations are different players.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I mean, that's what I think. Definitely. Listen,

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Speaker 2: Touching Wolf used to say this all the time. There's lies,

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Speaker 2: there's dang lies. They would use a different four letters. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but there's lies, there's dang lies, and then there's statistics.

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Speaker 3: And Wolf was not easy not to crack either, but

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Speaker 3: he started to embracing at the end. He liked bat stats.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not sure we're gonna send them to.

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Speaker 2: You, all those racks of ribs that you guys ate

640
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Speaker 2: together for your Wednesday night shows. He finally warmed up

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Speaker 2: to realizing this guy knows what he's talking about.

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Speaker 3: Backing them up and they make some sense, and right,

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Speaker 3: all right. I think he even quoted him on the air.

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Speaker 2: Like, I think this is one of those statistics that again,

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Speaker 2: sometimes just a number like that can be manipulated. There's

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Speaker 2: situational stuff around it all day. But I think this is.

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Speaker 3: Something maybe the best guy got hurt the year that

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Speaker 3: Rock Bowers was going to play a hundred stats telling

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think when you combine what is now

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Speaker 2: like a real depth of history with Arthur Smith offenses,

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Speaker 2: it's not two years that were going off.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, Johnny Smith's been part of it every step

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Speaker 3: of the way. He's not going to play eighty percent

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Speaker 3: of snaps.

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Speaker 2: And these three guys, who are all talented in their

657
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Speaker 2: own right, different skill set, the way you're going to

658
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: be able to use them and deploy them in different scenarios.

659
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Speaker 2: I think you can take this stat that number to

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Speaker 2: the bank, Like if you and I were doing over under,

661
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: any of these guys play more than seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: of the snaps at tight end. I think that's an

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Speaker 2: easy under.

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Speaker 3: It's an easy under because I mean, you'd have to

665
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Speaker 3: play a ton of thirteen, and they will, but a

666
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Speaker 3: ton of thirteen is still ten percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not sixty exactly right.

668
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Speaker 3: And even a ton of twelve might be forty percent

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Speaker 3: of the snaps. There's still going to be a lot

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Speaker 3: of snaps. And the Steelers are three receivers on the

671
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Speaker 3: field in one tight end. I mean, this is the NFL,

672
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: so it's not easy to get to. And this year,

673
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Speaker 3: I mean I was flat out critical what they did

674
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Speaker 3: last year. This year, I think it's a strength. Last year,

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Speaker 3: I think it was a bit of a weakness. So okay,

676
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: and again, if you're gonna play a ton of tell

677
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Speaker 3: at twelve, you're gonna play a ton of thirteen, Arthur,

678
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Speaker 3: You're gonna keep moving your tight ends in and out

679
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Speaker 3: of the line.

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Speaker 2: Only that becomes the Steelers matchup calling card on offense.

681
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm going with is So then the front

682
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Speaker 3: office says, Okay, I like your approach. I don't want

683
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Speaker 3: you to change. I'll just get your better tight ends.

684
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Speaker 3: And okay, it's not the builder. It's the materials, right,

685
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: not the chef. It's the ingredient. Now there's a chance

686
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Speaker 3: it's wrong. You know, maybe it's like we should have said,

687
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Speaker 3: I don't like that approach, put fire me out there

688
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Speaker 3: every time. But we hired you for a reason. We

689
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Speaker 3: had this conversation before we hired you. We know that

690
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: you're you know, this isn't news to them. Sure after

691
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Speaker 3: you would think not that. Okay, we like your approach.

692
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Speaker 3: It is a unique way to play an offense. It's

693
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Speaker 3: I keep bringing it up like the Ravens have a

694
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Speaker 3: card on the field all the time. No one else

695
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Speaker 3: deals with a beast like that. No one deals with

696
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Speaker 3: thirteen as much as the Steelers are gonna throw at them,

697
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Speaker 3: or a beast like Darnel Washington. So we want to

698
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Speaker 3: be unique. You don't have as much time to prepare

699
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: during the week as people think for these games, so

700
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Speaker 3: we'll just give you better tight ends.

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Speaker 2: I think it makes a ton of sense from that standpoint.

702
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Speaker 2: And that's when you see the Ravens and everything that

703
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: they do with Lamar and Henry and Ricard. That's their

704
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: matchup nightmare. It's awful when you see the Bengals and

705
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Speaker 2: you gotta go. You gotta have Joe Burrow and Jamar

706
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: Chase and p Higgin dropping bombs on you for sixty minutes,

707
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Speaker 2: that's their matchup nightmare. I'm hoping that those tight ends

708
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Speaker 2: and the way they can deploy them and make teams

709
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Speaker 2: show their hand with Bass and Nickel and how they're

710
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Speaker 2: going to defend when the Steelers are in twelve with

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Speaker 2: Pat and John or John Whu and Darnell or whatever

712
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Speaker 2: that combination might look like. I'm cautiously optimistic that that's

713
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Speaker 2: going to be a real card up their sleeve.

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Speaker 3: On offense, shit a huge thing that's going on in

715
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Speaker 3: the league, and it always has, but it's more prevalent now,

716
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Speaker 3: at least to my eyes, is do something that's the

717
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Speaker 3: other thirty one aren't doing on offense. And I could

718
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Speaker 3: go through them all, but you mentioned a few. The

719
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Speaker 3: Bills led the league in six offensive linemen by a

720
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Speaker 3: wide margin. I mean a really wide margin, like two

721
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Speaker 3: percents a lot. They're at like eight, you know, So

722
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Speaker 3: these and I bring that, and I'm not saying the

723
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Speaker 3: Steelers are as good as the Bengals, the Lions, the Chiefs,

724
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Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Bills. They're the best offense in the league,

725
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Speaker 3: the Eagles, but every one of them have distinct, unique

726
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Speaker 3: ways of playing. Another example is I haven't double checked this,

727
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Speaker 3: but I haven't fact checked it, but I think there's

728
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Speaker 3: more fullback I know this. Actually there's more fullbacks on

729
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Speaker 3: NFL rosters leading into Week one, and Seattle actually has

730
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Speaker 3: two of them than there were last year. And last

731
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Speaker 3: year there was like fifteen. There were like fifteen fullbacks

732
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Speaker 3: employed by the league. This year, I think it's like

733
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Speaker 3: twenty five. And the reason is none of these linebackers

734
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Speaker 3: ever played against the fullback in college. They don't know

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Speaker 3: what shoulder to take on if he's flying through the

736
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Speaker 3: B gap. All of a sudden, I got two. There's

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Speaker 3: two gaps. I mean a new gap was created a

738
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Speaker 3: m I taking it on the strong side, the weak side,

739
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Speaker 3: the left, the right. You know, like I've never done

740
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Speaker 3: this before, let alone Dan Krider running over my face

741
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Speaker 3: and I'm a two ten pound linebacker. I'm not Levon Kirklin.

742
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Speaker 3: You know, these guys are all undersize.

743
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Speaker 2: And it's not even You're not even asking those guys

744
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Speaker 2: to be Mike Alstadt out there. You're just asking them

745
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Speaker 2: to create matchup nightmares. And that's the cyclical nature of

746
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Speaker 2: football that I love. M Like offenses, defenses get lighter,

747
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: offenses get heavier. Yeah, defenses get heavier, offenses get lighter.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, a perfect example. We know all the

749
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Speaker 3: success Shanahan's had with the Niners offense, well, they've been

750
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Speaker 3: two back forever. With use check they made you check

751
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Speaker 3: the highest paid fullback ever. And he's not Dan Kreider,

752
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: Tim Lester. He can catch the ball, he can do

753
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Speaker 3: a lot of things. But with Kittle's ability to block

754
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: and a second back and you know McCaffrey's catching ability,

755
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Speaker 3: it's like, man, what do I do against their base personnel?

756
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Speaker 3: I just don't line up in my three four four

757
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: three because he's going to detach them and manipulate me,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? That was their calling card.

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Speaker 3: It was a fullback, but a different kind.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that's what we're going to see.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what they're going for. They're easy to

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Speaker 3: pull offense, no in here, you know.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, Matt. We got to get to our last

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Speaker 2: break on whole segment. I was gonna say, I got

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Speaker 2: a couple more of these hodgepods of randomness from Matt.

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Speaker 2: Williamson will close down with a couple more of these

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Speaker 2: as we roll along. It is the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Final segment of the Drive here on a Wednesday, Matt,

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Speaker 2: I have good news for you, all right, the next

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Speaker 2: time you and I do a show together, there will

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Speaker 2: be an NFL football game shortly after. Oh yeah, yeah

775
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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 3: I am fours from now, and then we'll be tailgating

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Speaker 3: for Opening Day before that.

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00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: Exactly right, I'm exactly right looking forward to it. As

779
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: we just put a bow on things for today, kind

780
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Speaker 2: of sticking with the hodgepodge of randomness. But this isn't

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Speaker 2: random here, Matt. This kind of piggybacks a little bit

782
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Speaker 2: off of what we just talked about. Arthur Smith offense

783
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Speaker 2: tight end usage. How about now wide receiver usage with

784
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Speaker 2: Arthur Smith as the head coach or an offensive coordinator.

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00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: The most targets a wide receiver has ever gotten in

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Speaker 2: a single season Drake London in twenty twenty two with

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen.

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Speaker 3: It's a very low number. First off, folks, that's a

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Speaker 3: low number, right. I mean there's guys that have one

790
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: hundred catches every year. You're getting way more in one hundred

791
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Speaker 3: and seventeen targets. Like could you search targets last year?

792
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Speaker 3: Like if where was one hundred and seventeen of ranked

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Speaker 3: amongst all targeted players last year? I bet it's like thirtieth,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of

795
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Speaker 3: guys that get into the one fifties. One seed Lams getting.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and seventeen would have been twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And that's his that's his high water mark. That's

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Speaker 3: his high water for a wide receiver. Yes, it was

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Speaker 3: a clear number one Drake London that was there last

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Speaker 3: year in Atlanta. Now, I think there's a lot to

801
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Speaker 3: unpack here. Metcalf easily could exceed that. I mean he's

802
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: gonna demand targets way more than Austin.

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Speaker 2: Basically every year he's been healthy, so besides last year

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Speaker 2: where he missed a couple of games, he's been over

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Speaker 2: that number.

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Speaker 3: I don't doubt it. If you break it down per game,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's like the.

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Speaker 2: Four years before last year one hundred twenty nine targets,

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00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: one hundred twenty nine targets, hundred and forty one targets

810
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen.

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Speaker 3: So I'm guessing Metcalf exceeds that if he plays all

812
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Speaker 3: seventeen or if you just break it down per game,

813
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: I bet it's higher than London's per game target numbers

814
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: were just based off of how much Rogers has worked

815
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Speaker 3: with him, how much better he is than the other guys.

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00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever gonna leave the field. But

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00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 3: this also, I mean, I get asked one hundred times

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00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: a day and you probably get asked eighty five times

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Speaker 3: a day. What are they doing for a number two receiving?

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00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know, like this is going back

821
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Speaker 3: to Ayuk.

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Speaker 2: I know it's frustrating that I see I see friends

823
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: at like picnics and graduation parties and things like that,

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00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: friends that I haven't seen in years that like we

825
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: have kids now and stuff, and the first thing they

826
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: ask me is not like how the kids doing, how's

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00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: your parents doing? Right, it's who's gonna be to Steeler's

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Speaker 2: number two wide receiver?

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Speaker 3: Really knocking? So I think that this stat I don't have,

830
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: but I bet the second highest target or the what

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Speaker 3: I mean is, whoever the wide receiver is is probably

832
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: a J. Brown for a lot of the years. It

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00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: definitely a lot of years whoever wide receiver too has

834
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 3: been in an Arthur Smith offense. I bet their target

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Speaker 3: numbers are even crazy or low, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like t Hagen's got a ton of targets as a

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Speaker 3: second guy for you know, Godwin gets a ton next

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Speaker 3: to Evan Wattle Hill, et cetera. Well, my point is

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Speaker 3: the wide receiver two does not get used very much

840
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 3: with Smith, and a lot of it's because it's tight

841
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 3: end centric. They run the ball a lot, they play

842
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: a little slower, they don't run a bazillion plays. Now

843
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: that kind of takes away a little bit of the

844
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: need for a wide receiver too here more than other cities,

845
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Speaker 3: for sure. I mean, there's no question about it by design. Still,

846
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: and we saw this and you mentioned it like an

847
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: hour ago. What if Mecac gets hurt. I mean, that's

848
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Speaker 3: that's my that's my sticky.

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Speaker 2: You're in a very you would feel better about your

850
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: weapons at tight end. Yeah, but you're in a very

851
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: you would find yourself much in the same position that

852
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: you were when George Pickens missed those couple of games.

853
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: You're too easy to play against. Yeah, And I will

854
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: say I think there's some more to work with with

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson than the you know, the Mike Williams and

856
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: Van Jefferson's of the world.

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00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 3: No doubt roll with those dudes.

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00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: But I but, I but I don't think it's I'm

859
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: not drastically more confident now all of a sudden if

860
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: they became Metcalf were to miss a couple games.

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00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: Agreed. I think I'm much more confident that Austin's a

862
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: legit NFL player early now than I was here in

863
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: sixty five days ago. But and I do have hoped

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00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: for Wilson, and I think Miller's okay. I mean, they're

865
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Speaker 3: a lot better than the Alan Robinson's and Van Jefferson's

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Speaker 3: and Mike Williams who was shot and retired. You know what,

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00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 3: I mean like they're a little better off, but it's

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Speaker 3: not good enough.

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Speaker 2: They're also undersized. Compare those guys too.

870
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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, So back to the stat I don't

871
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: know exactly how to take it because I do think

872
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: Metcalf will exceed that, but he won't be ceedee lamb

873
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: justin Jefferson numbers, that's for sure.

874
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Speaker 2: No, no doubt.

875
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: They don't throw the football enough.

876
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Speaker 2: Those guys are I mean in the one forties fifties.

877
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Speaker 3: Like Pickens goes from the cow or from the to

878
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: the Cowboys from the Steelers. Well, the Cowboys will probably

879
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: throw the ball one hundred and fifty to two hundred

880
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: times more than Steeler. Yes, and they did last year. Well,

881
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: of course you're gonna have way more target.

882
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: They're going to need to score some points.

883
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael in particular. Right, you know, so a lot

884
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Speaker 3: of it's based on how you play. I think some

885
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Speaker 3: of it's Tomlin related to you know, where defense is

886
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: still going to be our bread and butter went in

887
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Speaker 3: doubt third and eight. Maybe we'll run a draw for

888
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: winning fourteen to ten and trust the defense punt, et cetera.

889
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: But it definitely is a Smith trait. You know what

890
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's been a play caller long enough now.

891
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Speaker 2: That again there's a sample size there, there's.

892
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Speaker 3: A big year, like some first year coordinator with the

893
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: Steelers never heard of this guy before this. You know,

894
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Speaker 3: he's a head coach that ran an offense and a

895
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Speaker 3: really good offense coordinator with tight mm HM. So it's noteworthy,

896
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Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: I think it kind of comes full circle to like that.

898
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Speaker 2: Maybe that was part of the conversation was, Hey, would

899
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Speaker 2: you rather have a shiny new toy at tight end

900
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: or is your wide receiver two? You know, and the

901
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: way you want to play this thing, I'd rather have

902
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: the investment in the tight ends. That's where our matchup

903
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: card is going to be. That's what we're going to

904
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: give teams nightmares. And we've got that. We've got a

905
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: true number one proven in DK and we've got it.

906
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: We've got enough with everybody else with what we have

907
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: with the tight ends and what we are obviously too

908
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: we all know wanting to establish in the run game.

909
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Speaker 3: And all that being said, I would be way more

910
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 3: comfortable if they had another receiver.

911
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I would. Jakobe Myers was a Steeler today, I

912
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: would feel much more comfortable.

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Speaker 3: I would be a lot more comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well, Matt, that will do it for us today.

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Speaker 3: Fun.

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Speaker 2: I think starting on Thursday, we turn the page big

917
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Speaker 2: time to those Jets, Jets, Jets, and uh, obviously we'll

918
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Speaker 2: give some some thoughts on that Thursday night football game

919
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Speaker 2: that's going to get rolling tomorrow as well too. A

920
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Speaker 2: lot to get to in the next two days as

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Speaker 2: we get you ready for Week one of the NFL season.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait. It's going to be exciting for Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and mister TV here producing a reminder. We are back

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Speaker 2: on YouTube the drive once again. If you want to

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Speaker 2: see Matt and I's beautiful faces and all of our

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Speaker 2: cool Steeler gear gear that we're rock and here in

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Speaker 2: the studio. Take care everybody for Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 2: west Hewler. We'll talk to you tomorrow. As always. You

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Speaker 2: know where to find us. It's on your twenty four

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