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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this is next question.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to believe, but Julia Louis Dreyfus

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Speaker 1: has been in the public eye for more than forty years.

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Speaker 1: What the hell it's been forty years? Yes, it has,

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Speaker 1: and I for one have loved every minute of being

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Speaker 1: entertained by her. In fact, she's kind of my girl crush.

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Speaker 1: She started out on SNL back in the early eighties

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Speaker 1: She went on to star in the New Adventures of

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Speaker 1: Old Christine before becoming the hapless Selena Myers in Veep,

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Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite shows. Oh and she's

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Speaker 1: also made a couple dozen movies, including her latest You

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Speaker 1: Hurt My Feelings. In this movie, Julia plays a writer

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Speaker 1: who discovers that, despite his claims her her husband really

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Speaker 1: doesn't like her second book, a novel. So we see

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Speaker 1: a side of Julia we often don't, vulnerable and confused

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Speaker 2: It explores the idea of self worth and work and

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Speaker 2: how are they connected? If they are connected? The character

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Speaker 2: that I play Beth, her self worth plummets.

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Speaker 1: Julia and I sat down to gab about the highs

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Speaker 1: and lows of her four decade career, her new movie,

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Speaker 1: her new hip podcast, and what she's learned about maintaining

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Speaker 1: a healthy relationship with her own self worth. I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy to see you, Julia. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you. I'm so happy to see you

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Speaker 2: with your nice blown out hair.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Yes, we've been discussing our hair,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's nothing like a fresh blowout, is there.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good feeling. It's like it's like a

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Speaker 2: you get a full tank of gas from it.

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Speaker 1: Right anyway, But I'm happy to see you because we

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Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about. First of all, welcome

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Speaker 1: to our little podcast. Next question, and I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: talk about your podcast. But first I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about your new movie, which I love and you know

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Speaker 1: I love everything you're in. Julia.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, thanks, It's true.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Do you like doing interviews about your work

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Speaker 1: or do you feel like I have to do this.

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Speaker 2: I sort of have a mixed relationship with my with

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Speaker 2: doing press, Like sometimes it feels like it's like either

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Speaker 2: all or nothing. Yeah, And so when there's a tonage,

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Speaker 2: it can get a little bit. It's sort of like

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Speaker 2: running for office, you know, you have your stump speech.

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Speaker 1: Very Selena, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Very Selena. But then there are circumstances in which I

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Speaker 2: really do and I mean I'm very happy to be

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Speaker 2: you know, like if I'm doing Fresh Air or something

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Speaker 2: like that, right, more of an in depth conversation, and

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to do that. And in this case because

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of the movie, so I feel a sense

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Speaker 1: Right, And you have to get the word out, Julia, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's so much content out there now.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's not a lot of content like this, that

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Speaker 2: is to say, indie films in theaters. You know, since

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Speaker 2: the pandemic, the indie film market has taken a big hit.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm very pleased that it's done as well

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the movie. You've teamed up once

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, Nicole and I have been searching for

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Speaker 2: and projects would come up, but because of my schedule

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Speaker 1: I love the way it feels like you're a fly

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Speaker 1: This is the way a conversation would go in real life.

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Speaker 1: For example, when you're talking to your son Elliott about

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Speaker 1: The movie, to me, Julia, is about sort of the

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Speaker 2: They are? They are? Katie?

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Speaker 1: And why is that?

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Speaker 2: Well? As I said before, I think the landscape has changed.

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Speaker 2: I've certainly been really lucky, Katie, but I've had a

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Speaker 1: we're back with Julia Louis Dreyfus, who has a new

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Speaker 1: When we come back, this funny lady actually gets teary

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Speaker 1: You're doing a podcast which I'm so excited about, called

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Speaker 1: Do this, and I think it's been really helpful to

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Speaker 1: a lot of listeners, and as you said, I think

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Speaker 1: it's really filled a void. I hate to end on

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Speaker 1: this note, but I feel like part of your purpose

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Speaker 1: has been to speak out about things you really care

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Speaker 1: deeply about. And I always have respected you so much

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Speaker 1: for that climate change and upholding our democracy, little things.

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Speaker 2: Like that, yeah, and little nothing burgers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm curious how you're feeling right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually I'm feeling let me tell you something. This

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Speaker 2: is what I'm going to say. I'm feeling optimistic. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling optimistic because that's the choice I've made for

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Speaker 2: starters and also because it's based on few realities. There

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Speaker 2: was recently a very important election in Wisconsin that was

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Speaker 2: a resounding turnout and stamp of approval for abortion rights

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Speaker 2: and for supporting those candidates that are in favor of

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Speaker 2: Can you even believe we're talking about this but abortion rights.

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Speaker 2: I think the Dobbs decision is going to has and

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Speaker 2: will continue to bring out the vote. And I think

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Speaker 2: the Republicans fucked themselves real bad when that happened. That's

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Speaker 2: what I think. So I'm hopeful about the next big

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Speaker 2: election we have coming up, and I think people are

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Speaker 2: waking up to the critical realities of statewide elections, state legislatures,

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Speaker 2: and that people are beginning to have a better understanding

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Speaker 2: of how important those elections are and are coming out

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Speaker 2: to them as a result, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, state and local elections, right, That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, completely, So that's so I'm not going to be

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Speaker 2: pessimistic about it.

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Speaker 1: So you're optimistic about the next election? Are you optimistic?

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious, since you're so involved with environmental issues,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the future of the planet.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm worried. I'm worried I think we're all worried.

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Speaker 2: We're certainly reaching the tipping point. And I'm not a scientist,

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Speaker 2: so I can't rattle off all the numbers and so

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Speaker 2: on in terms of carbon levels, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: do serve on the board at the end r DC,

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Speaker 2: and thank God for them because they're on the front

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Speaker 2: lines of defending the Earth and and trying to keep

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Speaker 2: us from this climate crisis. But the climate crisis is

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Speaker 2: upon us. It's here. It's not something that's coming. We

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Speaker 2: are now living in. I mean, I'm grateful that we

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Speaker 2: have a president who's put forward the most aggressive climate

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Speaker 2: legislation in presidential history. I think that's huge, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: we'll elect somebody who sort of carries that forward and

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Speaker 2: makes it even bigger.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love seeing you and talking to you, me

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Speaker 1: to you, Katie, and I'm really excited about about your movie,

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Speaker 1: which is called You Hurt My Feelings, which I love

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Speaker 1: the title too.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that funny?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it all right, lots of love. Okay,

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