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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don't don't hi. Hello, everyone, welcome back, bye,

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Speaker 1: And that's been our episode now it hasn't hi. I'm

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Speaker 1: Katie Stole, I'm Cody Johnson Johnson you and I am

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Speaker 1: also a host of this podcast. That's right, you are

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Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever? Welcome back? Yeah, that seems right. Want

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Speaker 1: of us go back to the Worst Year ever? Um? Alright,

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. We started this shows you love deals,

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Speaker 1: making them deals, making fun of them, making fun of people.

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Speaker 1: So we figured it was time to get back to

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Speaker 1: covering some of the candidates that we have not covered yet.

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Speaker 1: So this week the ones who haven't dropped out to Yes,

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Speaker 1: who haven't dropped out? R I p to all of

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Speaker 1: y'all who were now are no more rest in politics,

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Speaker 1: pics politics. So anyway, we're long past overdue for a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into Amy Cloba shark club Shark of the deal,

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Speaker 1: Cloba shart of the deal. Uh and you know, after

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Speaker 1: her inability to name the president of Mexico during an

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Speaker 1: interview with I Believe Telemundo last week. Okay, but how

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Speaker 1: could she have possibly known that? In an interview with

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Speaker 1: Telemundo about US Mexican relations. She would need to know

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Speaker 1: the name of Mexico's president. Could no way to anticipate that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no way, no way to what a got you question? Well? Right,

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Speaker 1: and to be fair, like she made it clear in

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Speaker 1: the interview, she knows that Mexico has a president, right,

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Speaker 1: It's not like she's completely in the dark where he

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Speaker 1: was elected all the way over there. Um, Anyway, we

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Speaker 1: decided that's what we're going to do today. Amy Club, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or or as I call her, Amy Klobash. Are you

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Speaker 1: kidding me? People still support her? Yeah? I like, I

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Speaker 1: like to introduce her. It's Amy. It's pretty good from

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Speaker 1: the stuff. No, Sophie's not having, shaking her head, mouth

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Speaker 1: a gape, unpressed, unimpressed. Um. Also, I mentioned last week

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Speaker 1: kind of stepped back and let the boys do most

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Speaker 1: Amy's early life now with Warren. It felt really important

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Speaker 1: to go over that stuff since so much of her

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Speaker 1: early life has informed her platform, and her story is

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Speaker 1: an integral part of her campaign. Less So with Amy

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Speaker 1: but it's still a good jumping off point getting to

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Speaker 1: know her. She's born in Plymouth, Minnesota, sixty Her mom

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Speaker 1: was a second grade teacher. Dad was an author, sportswriter, columnist, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Her parents divorced when Amy was fifteen, and she had

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Speaker 1: a really bad relationship with her dad. He was an

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Speaker 1: for a long time. I guess where that famous Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: exchange comes from. Okay, drinking is one thing, but the

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Speaker 1: concern is about truthfulness. And in your written testimony you

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Speaker 1: said sometimes you had too many drinks. Was there ever

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Speaker 1: a time when you drank so much that you couldn't

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Speaker 1: I know I remember what happened, and I think you've

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Speaker 1: probably had beer center And so you're saying, there's never

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Speaker 1: what happened you're asking about, yeah, blackout. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Have you. Could you answer the question, judge and just

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you have. I have no drinking problem.

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Speaker 1: colloquy by saying to Santah Colombert jar how much I

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Speaker 1: And she asked me a question at the end that

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Speaker 1: I responded by asking her a question I didn't. Sorry

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Speaker 1: But then she finally reconnected with her father after he

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Speaker 1: election has a bunch of controversies attached to their past? No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's a club traverses club troversies. While we're on that subject,

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Speaker 1: and I really think it should have been no boot chards.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty good too, Continue Katie. UM, I think

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Speaker 1: So that was a story I really wanted to share Cody.

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Speaker 1: of among Somali immigrants coats A. It's a stimulant. It's

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Speaker 1: similar to chewing tobacco. UM. And we'll actually come back

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Speaker 1: US Congress when elan Omar, Her district makes up eastern

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Speaker 1: would have eaten it with a comb off a club

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Speaker 1: acomb if I was yeah, that's what they're called a

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Speaker 1: combat it's a new utensil. If I was desperate enough,

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Speaker 1: the clean also, it is weird. It's weird. Maybe I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I would have accepted a spoon. It's a little weird.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not damning, but a little weird. A little weird,

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Speaker 1: Just a little weird. Yeah. And she went on to

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Speaker 1: joke about this moment with her fellow Democratic legislators in

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Speaker 1: a speech later. Um and it may seem like one

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Speaker 1: odd anecdote out of the context of her life. Um,

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Speaker 1: if it didn't fit in perfectly with everything else about

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Speaker 1: her history as a person in power. In a two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen article based on interviews with dozens of her

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Speaker 1: former employees, BuzzFeed found quote the Minnesota Democrat ran a

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Speaker 1: workplace controlled by fear, anger, and shame, according to interviews

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Speaker 1: with eight former staffers, one that many employees found intolerably cruel.

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Speaker 1: She demeaned and braided her staff almost daily, subjecting them

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Speaker 1: to bouts of explosive rage and regular humiliation within the office.

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Speaker 1: One particular trigger for Amy club a chair seems to

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Speaker 1: be when her employees do things that she feels reflect

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Speaker 1: badly on her. At one point, frustrated with the lame

444
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Speaker 1: Twitter jokes her aids were writing her, she told them,

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Speaker 1: we are becoming a joke, and it is making us

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Speaker 1: a joke. When aids did think she considered mistakes, Miss

447
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: Clobuchar would tell them that they were damaging her career.

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Speaker 1: On one occasion, she told an aid that this aid

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Speaker 1: was quote ruining my marriage, presumably because Senator Klobuchar was

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Speaker 1: was going to have to work over time at the

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Speaker 1: office to correct a mistake. Amy's former staff or say

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Speaker 1: she also had a habit of delivering cruel remarks just

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Speaker 1: out of the blue, at one point telling a team member,

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Speaker 1: I would trade three of you for a bottle of water. Wow. Cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and sorry, I said dozens of there's dozens of different

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Speaker 1: employees interviewed between all three articles Buzze eight. But yeah, charming,

457
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: it's not it's not great, right, it's it's this is

458
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: not great stuff for a person to do to human

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Speaker 1: beings around them. Yeah, there's a there's a element of

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Speaker 1: this that, uh, it's we it's weird. I even see

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Speaker 1: I've seen articles talk about this and be like, well,

462
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Speaker 1: she's the problem is it she hires bad people like

463
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Speaker 1: like it's their fault. Um, And there's just like the

464
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Speaker 1: sense um And I'm not gonna be like it's trump stuff,

465
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Speaker 1: but like if your boss is this way and cruel,

466
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Speaker 1: uh and demeaning to you, that trickles down like that

467
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: affects every Yeah, I maybe we haven't all had terrible bosses,

468
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: but a lot of us have. We know what that

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Speaker 1: does to people, right, Well, then it just creates that

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Speaker 1: culture we're like, okay, well, like the people under underneath me,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to treat them this way. Um, And I

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Speaker 1: don't know that's not great? Yeah, I mean I I

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Speaker 1: don't want to like, I don't want to like spill

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Speaker 1: anything here. But I have a boss who, very unreasonably,

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Speaker 1: UM gets angry when I, for example, try to hit

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Speaker 1: cans of compressed air with a machete. Um. And you

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Speaker 1: know I I do feel that that is Um, that's

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Speaker 1: a kind of assault emotionally on me. Shut the fun up. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I will hit you with a clipboard. See see your

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Speaker 1: cloba charing. You're right now, Cody and kidie, you can

481
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Speaker 1: do no wrong doing. Take it back. You guys are awesome.

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Speaker 1: Up everybody can hear feel like a pawn right now? Um?

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Speaker 1: What else you got about? Okay? So, former aids told

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Speaker 1: The New York Times that it was de rigor for

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Speaker 1: departing employees to save particularly damning emails from Amy Klobuchar

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Speaker 1: in case they needed evidence of her behavior to defend

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Speaker 1: themselves from being bad mouthed. Later, on amy emails. Examples

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Speaker 1: of these include, according to the New York Times, quote

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Speaker 1: in twenty years in politics, I have never seen worst prep,

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Speaker 1: Miss Clobachar said in one email, displeased at how a

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Speaker 1: political event had been handled. This is hands down the

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Speaker 1: worst thing you have ever given me, she wrote another,

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Speaker 1: questioning her team's grasp of policy is she rejected its slop.

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Speaker 1: This is the worst press staff I have ever had,

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Speaker 1: she announced once to employees, According to an aid press

496
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Speaker 1: and this was effectively a rite of passage. The aid

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Speaker 1: said the Senator had plainly said the same about both

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Speaker 1: predecessors and successors in the office. M hmm, Yeah, it's inspiring.

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Speaker 1: And it's also like, you know, um when when you

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Speaker 1: talk about like, um, sort of why the Trump administration,

501
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: why like so much damning ship keeps like leaking out

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Speaker 1: of the administrations because he's kind of fundamentally incapable of

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Speaker 1: maintaining of inspiring loyalty his employees because he like fox

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Speaker 1: them over and attacks them. Yeah, he demands loyalty and

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Speaker 1: then stabs in the back. This is our answer to

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Speaker 1: fixing that in the White House. Yes, yes, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is the This is like obviously I'm not trying to say,

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Speaker 1: like everyone should be like Barack Obama and George W. Bush,

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Speaker 1: because both of those presidents were either terrible or profoundly mediocre,

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Speaker 1: verging on terrible. Um and you know, respect, but both

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Speaker 1: were many who were capable of, like really inspiring a

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Speaker 1: lot of loyalty in their in their employees. And as

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Speaker 1: a result, you didn't see this kind of ship leak

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Speaker 1: out about about either White House. Um yeah, and like

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Speaker 1: knowing that, like I got to do this because yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll just wait for the next paragraph. Robert's going to read, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: read it now. Um, I don't know. Let's uh, you

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Speaker 1: guys want to think about what a good song American

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Speaker 1: Pie was before I start reading the next paragraph. Which

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Speaker 1: part which part of the first minute or the eighth

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Speaker 1: minute or all all fourteen minutes. When Amy was angry

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Speaker 1: at employees, she would frequently make them do her dishes

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Speaker 1: or handle other medio cleaning tasks for her as a

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Speaker 1: power move. She also had a reputation for yelling, throwing

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Speaker 1: papers and sometimes harder objects. I'll say this, having someone

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Speaker 1: do your dishes might not be a power move. It

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Speaker 1: might just be a lazy move. Okay, yeah, uh, we'll

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Speaker 1: see if you feel about that. On the it's possible.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff, A lot of this stuff, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but like you're right, a lot of this stuff taken

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Speaker 1: out of context is not a dysfunctional or abuse of

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Speaker 1: office make um, but this context. Yeah. On at least

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Speaker 1: one occasion, she threw a binder at a subordinate and

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Speaker 1: hit him on the head. She claimed that it was

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Speaker 1: an accident, but like, that doesn't really make it better.

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Speaker 1: You can't accidentally throw a binder. You can't accidentally throw

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Speaker 1: a binder. You can accidentally she accidentally hit him. She

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Speaker 1: wasn't didn't mean to hit him, So she meant to

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Speaker 1: throw it in a rage, yes, but not to contract him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so okay, so why did you get in the way

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Speaker 1: of my binder? That's exactly Most of the staffers who

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Speaker 1: talked to BuzzFeed insisted that this was not just a

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Speaker 1: case of Amy being a difficult boss. They described her

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Speaker 1: as uniquely unbearable. They're telling yeah, yeah, yeah, they're telling

545
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: of things. Makes her look like one of those people

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Speaker 1: who just explodes without warning over things like minear grammatical errors,

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Speaker 1: over the use of staples instead of paper clips, or

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Speaker 1: over the use of the word community in a press release.

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Speaker 1: This last one is part of a pattern she has

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Speaker 1: of hating very specific terms like absolutely straight shooting and supporter,

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Speaker 1: um yeah, support the grammar thing like I can respect that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I can't respect blowing up. I don't know, No,

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Speaker 1: I can't respect. But at the same time, all my

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Speaker 1: grammar heads were like, yeah, if this is the only

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Speaker 1: thing she was kind of anal about, it would be

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Speaker 1: one thing. Again, It's kind of like the whole picture,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's like how you deal with it. It's

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Speaker 1: not just yes. Uh. Now. In fairness, there were quite

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Speaker 1: a few. There were at least a number of former

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Speaker 1: employees who spoke well of her and called Amy tough

561
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: but fair. One of them they sweating with an earpiece,

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00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: very fair. One of them told BuzzFeed quote, her job

563
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: wasn't to be my mentor and cheerleader. Her job was

564
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: to get shipped done from Minnesota. But BuzzFeed noted that

565
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: four other staffers all disagreed with this and claim that

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Speaker 1: Amy's behavior negatively impacted the quality of work produced in

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Speaker 1: her office. One of them said, quote, I'm not an

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Speaker 1: anxious person. I've worked for other tough bosses, but It's

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Speaker 1: hard to explain the anxiety that permeates the office. It

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Speaker 1: is an overwhelming sense of panic and not being able

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Speaker 1: to plan. You never knew what was going to come

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Speaker 1: at you. That compounds and it affects the workplace. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again. It sounds like exactly what

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Speaker 1: we need to track. And there's always this difficulty when

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Speaker 1: you try to compare it to other presidents, where people

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Speaker 1: can be like, Okay, but look at all the other

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00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: terrible things those presidents did, and like, yeah, George W. Bush,

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama did some fucked up ship, but also like

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Speaker 1: they were a really relatively effective organizations within the context

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Speaker 1: of our political system. And if you want to get

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Speaker 1: shipped done, I want the next president to be better

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00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: than both of them by far, but I want them

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Speaker 1: to be an effective organizer of people. And all of

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Speaker 1: this points to Amy not being that. Um yeah, but

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Speaker 1: you know it is an effective organizer of people. What God,

586
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: sweet lady capitalism, the grand damn of exchanging money for

587
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Speaker 1: products and services. Perfect, She's perfect, ideal, lawless here together everything.

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00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: We're back. We're back, We're back. So what we're clock?

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Speaker 1: Char sorry, Clock, char, thank you, thank you, another AID

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Speaker 1: who was inner you expressly told BuzzFeed, I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is one of those situations where sexism is to blame.

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00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: This aid was also female, and they told BuzzFeed, if

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Speaker 1: it were a man doing these things, that story should

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Speaker 1: be written. And that is a common refrain among the

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00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: complaints you'll read about Amy. An awful lot of her

596
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: former employees don't just think she was mean. They think

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00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: her meanness is significant enough that voters desperately need to

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00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: know about it before they consider voting for her last

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Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough because it's an an easy line

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Speaker 1: of complaint that can be skewed as being sexist, but

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Speaker 1: it's also sounds like a true thing, you know, and

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Speaker 1: so we have to be able to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's coming from you here. Yeah, I'm not judgmental

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Speaker 1: of a mean you know. I believe a female boss

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00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: can be tough without like being criticized for its Sophie

606
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: regularly throws things at me. Um goes into rages with Machette.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's the difference. The only thing I throw

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Speaker 1: at you is love and respect, Robert, that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And frustration sometimes and Um alright, disappointment Um. Last February,

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Speaker 1: the Huffington Post reported, based on multiple interviews, that back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid had

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Speaker 1: to sit down with Amy Clobuchar privately and tell her

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Speaker 1: to change her behavior towards her staff Um Amy clobal lecture,

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Speaker 1: schar lecture, Tom, Sorry, I didn't do it. No, you're perfect.

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Speaker 1: You're perfect, Katie. The Huffington Post reached out to Harry

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Speaker 1: Reid to ask him about this, and the write up

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Speaker 1: of his response is pretty hilarious. A spokesman for Reid

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Speaker 1: said the retired senator prefers not to discuss private conversations

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Speaker 1: he had with other senators. In this case, Read also

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Speaker 1: does not remember whether or not he had this discussion

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Speaker 1: with Globuchar. The spokesman said. Senator club Char is one

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Speaker 1: of the most brilliant, hardest working members of the Senate,

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Speaker 1: and I was glad to serve alongside her, said Read.

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Speaker 1: She's tireless when it comes to fighting for the people

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota and the country, and that's why she's such

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Speaker 1: a popular senator back home and among her colleagues. You'll

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Speaker 1: notice that this is not a denial. It's really not

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Speaker 1: a lot of words, but I prefer not to comment.

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Speaker 1: But also I don't remember. But also she's cool. But

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Speaker 1: also please don't tell her that I said any of

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Speaker 1: that now. The Huffington Post also reported on a leaked document.

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Speaker 1: They found an eight page memo written by several of

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Speaker 1: Cloba Char's aids during her first Senate run in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six. And the whole memo is basically them

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Speaker 1: talking about how to manage their bosses temper. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to read a quote from that, especially while in

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Speaker 1: the car during a busy day. If she is all

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Speaker 1: caps extremely upset about something, let her rant through it

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Speaker 1: all caps. Don't interrupt her unless all caps absolutely necessary,

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Speaker 1: and be careful when try to calm her down. Often

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Speaker 1: she needs just needs to talk things out in the

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Speaker 1: open and is not interested in other people's opinions. This

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Speaker 1: is something that you will become used to and adjust to.

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Speaker 1: It's just a note for the first time this happens,

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Speaker 1: so we need Yeah, yeah, that sounds that would be

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Speaker 1: fun um As a senator, Cloba chars paid parental leave

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Speaker 1: policy has attracted some attention to people familiar with it.

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Speaker 1: Told The New York Times that anyone going on paid

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Speaker 1: leave was required among return to spend three times as

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Speaker 1: many weeks in the office as they've been gone. Is

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Speaker 1: that that's not great? Yeah, employees who left without making

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Speaker 1: up this time we're required to pay back money they

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Speaker 1: paid leave. Question. Yeah, I have to note that when

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Speaker 1: questioned about this, by the time Senator clob Char's office

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Speaker 1: issued a flat denial. We offered twelve weeks of paid

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Speaker 1: maternity and paternity leave for our staff and have one

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Speaker 1: of the strongest paid leave policies in the Senate. That

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Speaker 1: a spokeswoman, Alana Ross, we've never made staff payback any

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Speaker 1: of their leave and will be changing that language in

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Speaker 1: the handbook. She declined to provide a copy of the

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Speaker 1: current policy is written. So it's hard to know like

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Speaker 1: what actually went down, because you're saying, like there's some

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Speaker 1: language there that at least made people think they had

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Speaker 1: to pay back any of their leave, and you won't

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Speaker 1: show it. So I feel like you're being weasily. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like a terrible political choice the woman and

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Speaker 1: have I mean for anybody to have that policy, but

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Speaker 1: especially for mother herself and a Democrat. Yeah, the most

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Speaker 1: important thing to understand about the allegations of meanness on

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Speaker 1: behalf of amyklobchar is that these these allegations are not

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Speaker 1: opportunistic attacks on a presidential candidate. Numerous individuals, dozens and

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Speaker 1: dozens of people at this point have made the same,

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Speaker 1: very consistent claims about Amy as a boss for more

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Speaker 1: than ten years. So this is not just because she's

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Speaker 1: running for president. This goes back a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just we're about to talk about that. In two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six, Amy was the county attorney for Hinnipen County, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: When she decided to leave that job to run for Senate.

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Speaker 1: The local chapter of the union that represented her employees,

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Speaker 1: the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, wrote

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Speaker 1: a letter to the union leadership begging them not to

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Speaker 1: endorse Amy for the Senate. The letter was signed by

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Speaker 1: the president of the local chapter and contains reports from

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Speaker 1: a number of members. It claims that Amy showed disdain

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Speaker 1: for her employees, detigrating them publicly and privately, and refusing

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Speaker 1: to support wage adjustments. And I'm gonna quote from that

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Speaker 1: letter now. The strong feelings of our membership compelled the

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Speaker 1: executive board of Local two nine three eight to write

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Speaker 1: you regarding asked me as the union's contemplated endorsement of

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Speaker 1: a candidate for the United States Senate. Our local represents

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Speaker 1: the attorneys and legal professionals in the Hinnipen Counties Office

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Speaker 1: who have worked under Canon at enemy Cloba Char for

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Speaker 1: seven years. Thus, we are in the unique position of

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Speaker 1: providing you with the most comprehensive information necessary to judge

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Speaker 1: Miss Clobachar's perform its on the issues Jermaine to our organization.

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Speaker 1: Four years ago, this local council fourteen to withhold the

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Speaker 1: endorsement from Amy Klobuchar. This request was ignored. We do

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Speaker 1: not want that to happen again. The purpose of this

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Speaker 1: letter is to tell you why Miss Klobuchar continues to

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Speaker 1: be wholly undeserving of afsme's endorsement. Throughout her tenure as

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Speaker 1: Hennepin County Attorney, Amy Clobachar has demonstrated her disdain for

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Speaker 1: the very employees that have placed her in the position

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Speaker 1: to run for the office she now seeks. So it's rough, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seems consistent with and I'm You're not done. No,

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Speaker 1: Because the letter claims that Klobuchar created a hostile work

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Speaker 1: environment and showed favoritism and her hiring practices. It claims

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Speaker 1: that when Amy when Amy wound up in conflict with

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Speaker 1: the union, she convinced several employees to quit and then

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Speaker 1: rehired them as independent contractors order to reduce union membership.

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Speaker 1: On at least one occasion, she mocked union members for

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Speaker 1: seeking a wage adjustment to bring them in line with

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Speaker 1: a neighboring jurisdiction. When union leaders asked about whether or

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Speaker 1: not she would support a wage adjustment given that she'd

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Speaker 1: given new employees from her former law firm better starting

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Speaker 1: salaries and the top paid non supervisory attorneys in her

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Speaker 1: county office, she dismissed the comparison by claiming that the

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Speaker 1: county employees were not competent enough to work at her

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Speaker 1: former for former firm. Most damningly, the letter claims that

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Speaker 1: Miss Clobuchar regularly took credit for the accomplishments of the

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Speaker 1: subordinate she denigrated and insulted. Quote. The fact that Miss

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Speaker 1: Clobuchar holds so little regard for her employees has not

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Speaker 1: stopped her from taking credit for their work. She has

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Speaker 1: used the publicity from the very success from the many

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Speaker 1: successfully prosecuted criminal cases. To give the public the false

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Speaker 1: impression that she was actively involved in those cases, she

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Speaker 1: was not. She presents herself as a dedicated public servant,

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Speaker 1: acutely concerned with the public safety, when her only dedication

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Speaker 1: is to her own self promotion. She sounds awful. She

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Speaker 1: sounds awful. Yeah, and again that's that's clearly no one

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Speaker 1: is trying to stop her from running for president with

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Speaker 1: that report. It is from fourteen years ago. Right, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I got one last thing. We're not even done. Like,

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Speaker 1: have either of you guys watched the TV show veep

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Speaker 1: YEA great show, great show. One of the characters and

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Speaker 1: I'm I always faced on her name the blonde lady

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Speaker 1: who is aide to the vice president. The show is

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Speaker 1: about um, a woman who's like the vice president and

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Speaker 1: then the President of the United States placed by a

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Speaker 1: Julia Louis dreyfuss Um. And she's she's a bad person

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Speaker 1: and a bad politician. Um. And it's like about a

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Speaker 1: dysfunctional It's like, it's this is how works everyone's I have.

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Speaker 1: I have been told by multiple Republican and Democrats who

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Speaker 1: have worked on congressional campus, worked in congressional offices, senatorial offices, UM,

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Speaker 1: and other like like federal level political offices as well

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Speaker 1: as gubernatorial offices like like. More than a dozen people

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Speaker 1: at this point that it is the only show that

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Speaker 1: accurately describes what it's like to work in American politics. UM.

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Speaker 1: In that show, there is a moment where the character Amy,

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Speaker 1: who was the aid to the vice president, mentions that

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Speaker 1: she had to dry shave Julia Louis Dreyfuss's character's legs

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Speaker 1: under the table during a cabinet meeting. UM. That is

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Speaker 1: based on a rumor about something Amy Klobuchar is supposed

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00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: supposedly actually did. She had an aid drive shave her

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Speaker 1: legs for her UM. This is completely unconfirmed, but it

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00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: is a very intrinched rumor in d C. Um Veep

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00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: writer David Mandel, when questioned about it, said this, it

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00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: is a well known rumor that we were told a

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Speaker 1: million times by millions of people. Any time I brought

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Speaker 1: her being Amy Klobuchar up with people in d C,

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Speaker 1: someone would tell us that story as a rumor, unconfirmed, unconfirmed.

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Speaker 1: The rum was the rumor that it was happening during

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Speaker 1: a meeting, or was it just like I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was happening. I thought that was that that was yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: um what I I just I do hope it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I hope it isn't true, but I hope it's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Um, I mean you know that that

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Speaker 1: would be one of those things. There's stuff that I

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Speaker 1: think would be a bad side about a president. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and there's stuff that like might not necessarily be Like

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Speaker 1: L B. J urinated on and he was a very

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Speaker 1: very productive president for all of his laws. So the

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Speaker 1: fact that Amy has like some weird power like that,

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Speaker 1: that might be, like, that's one of those things, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the kind of lunatics who become president. I could see

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Speaker 1: that being a reason someone's got the temperament for the job,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to the inability to have an office function,

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Speaker 1: which is not a sign of a good temperament. No

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Speaker 1: it isn't. Yeah. Um, let's talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: with our remaining minutes, um about some club bush other things. Nice.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like every single one of

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Speaker 1: these has been a home run. It's their only good.

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00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Everybody listening really likes them. Um, that's for sure. Some

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Speaker 1: fun little things about for Club. Sure. Um, she voted

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Speaker 1: to confirm nearly two thirds of Trump's judges. Her climate

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Speaker 1: change policy gets US C minus. No, I'm sorry that

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Speaker 1: her climate change policy gets a C plus C plus

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Speaker 1: from the passing. It's passing. It's also the second lowest rating.

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Speaker 1: Not good. It's right above Bloomberg, right, yeah, Bloomberg. Um.

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Speaker 1: And we've already mentioned how she didn't know the name

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Speaker 1: of the president of Mexico this week. Um. Well, so

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Speaker 1: so her time in the Senate, we haven't talked about

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Speaker 1: much aside from her behind the scenes behavior. Um. These

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Speaker 1: I think votes are are important to recognize. Um that

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Speaker 1: she is like one of the big things that we

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Speaker 1: don't really talk about much, are these judges that are

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Speaker 1: all getting through. And two thirds is a lot. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm comparing it with like, um, uh Kirsten jilla Brand

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Speaker 1: who dropped out quite a while ago. Um. And she's

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Speaker 1: her record is actually like pretty consistently like voting against

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Speaker 1: every single thing. Um. But so I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about Cloba Char's time in the Senate

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Speaker 1: because I was just looking at like her record, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: what has she passed? How many bills and things like that? Um?

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Speaker 1: And she of all the candidates, she has passed the

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Speaker 1: most um in her short time in Congress. Thirty four bills. Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a lot that's a that's a clobusch

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Speaker 1: alata bills. Well, there's it's it's a lot um and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know he compared to someone like Warren and Sanders

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Speaker 1: both have seven things like that. Um. But I would

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Speaker 1: also point out that it's just interesting. So like you know,

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Speaker 1: she's have like, uh wrote a bill with Marco Ruby

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Speaker 1: about water pollution and they're just various, you know, random bills.

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Speaker 1: And I guess American treasure. American are are our friend

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Speaker 1: and national hero. Marco. She wrote a bill improving uh,

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Speaker 1: the call quality and rural areas. There's one modifies the

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Speaker 1: screening requirements for luggage coming from preclearance airports. It's called

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Speaker 1: the No Hassle Flying Act. Um. So I could see

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Speaker 1: how this is all something. I mean, you could look

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Speaker 1: at that and be like, look, she knows how to

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Speaker 1: work with people from all across the board. Also be

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Speaker 1: a good senator. That thing like if you're like as

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Speaker 1: a so, I guess if you're looking for a president

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Speaker 1: and you want a senator that has past bills, then

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Speaker 1: maybe APIs for you. But in looking into this, I

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Speaker 1: also just sort of glanced at like other bills people right, um,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of I think the criticism of Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders is there, like he hasn't passed much. We can

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Speaker 1: talk about amendments all day if we want, but like

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Speaker 1: the actual bills he is passed. Um. But if you

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Speaker 1: look at the bills that he has written that have

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Speaker 1: not been passed, because uh, you can go online, it

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Speaker 1: be like here all the bills that have been passed. Here,

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Speaker 1: all the bills have been written, they have not been enacted. Um.

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Speaker 1: Every single one of them is like, oh, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't give money to people to pollute rivers. Oh yeah

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Speaker 1: we should. Like it's just a series of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't have raised the co payments for Medicare. That

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Speaker 1: should be no co payments. It's all this stuff that like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I understand why the Senate didn't pass it. Um. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's a if you're which is like, which

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Speaker 1: is just in terms of like what you're looking for

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Speaker 1: in a president. Is it like, oh I passed a

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Speaker 1: bunch of bills, or like I have this vision for

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Speaker 1: I also looked into the number of missed votes uh

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Speaker 1: as her time as a senator. As we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: she's a hard worker. She's really hard on her staff,

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Speaker 1: so they get a lot of work done. Um. Of

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Speaker 1: all the candidates, she's missed the fewest, um, even during

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Speaker 1: the election, so like, uh, you know, when Hillary is running,

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Speaker 1: she missed the votes because she was running for president,

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Speaker 1: warrants missed a lot of votes. Recently, Santa has missed

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Speaker 1: a lot of votes. Uh. Even though Amy is still running,

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Speaker 1: she's not missed a lot of votes. She's the least. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's good for her. I guess at my point, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to I'm trying to complimentary. Yeah, it sounded like

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Speaker 1: you were trying to make a no, no, no, um

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Speaker 1: good for not missing the votes that apparently are two

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Speaker 1: thirds supporting of Trump's judges. That part's less good. Maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe just skip the votes Amy, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: guess we could say she did a good thing badly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, there's that. Before we wrapped this up,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna talk a little bit about her empathy speech.

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Speaker 1: Her empathy speech. You know, you guys have a lot

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Speaker 1: to say about this empathy. Yeah, I mean well, I

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Speaker 1: mean she gave this speech at the last debate, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, there's a debate tomorrow again. Unbelievable, just

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Speaker 1: unbelievab It's gonna be a blast anyway. Um, the last one,

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Speaker 1: her closing statement was about empathy and sort of taking

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Speaker 1: and she teared up during it. Um, And I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree with that sentiment. I think empathy is important. Um

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Speaker 1: my issue, I guess we're bringing it up. If your

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Speaker 1: what's the fucking point? Um? If you're just is this

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Speaker 1: this performative like unity stuff instead of actually enacting empathetic policies,

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Speaker 1: then um, yeah, I don't know the point. That's how

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Speaker 1: I just described inherently what being a democrat or being

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Speaker 1: liberal is. I mean, there's a lot of differences between

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Speaker 1: that and conservatives, but like, I don't know, a liberal

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Speaker 1: democratic in theory anyway, we're supposed to be about empathy,

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Speaker 1: about caring for the weakest among us versus protecting the

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Speaker 1: rich and protecting self interest. Um and so like that

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Speaker 1: word I think is really important. But yeah, does she

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Speaker 1: actually reflect that policies and also in her actions. I

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Speaker 1: think we've if we reflect on her behind the scenes actions.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she necessarily lives that speech. Um,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I just wanted to talk about that because

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's not a bad thing to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But um, maybe she's not. Maybe she's not as empathet

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Speaker 1: against things to talk about it. I don't know. Well, there,

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Speaker 1: we did it. We talked about it. We did guys.

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Speaker 1: I feel really good getting that out of the well.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad she's the front runner. I will say

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Speaker 1: that I did just see um an op ed on

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Speaker 1: the debt that I did just see an op ed

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Speaker 1: on the Daily Beast. As we were recording this, it's

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Speaker 1: suddenly obvious Klobascher is the Democrats best. It's happening. Who

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Speaker 1: which which which writer has their well on the pulse

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Speaker 1: of okay good, that's lewis S call. Take. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: she's clearly, she's clearly the front runner. Not Joseph Robinette Biden,

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Speaker 1: the person who Uh was pulling well for the length

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Speaker 1: of most of the time the campaign. Not Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: the person who is currently pulling the best, Not Pete

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Speaker 1: Buddha Gedge the close second, Not Elizabeth Warren who is

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Speaker 1: in third place. Um, but am Amy Klovish? Are you

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Speaker 1: kidding me? She's a strong fifth, strong fifth? This The

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Speaker 1: log line for this is wild. The Minnesota Senator is

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Speaker 1: the obvious consensus Joyce. She'll have some trouble with the

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Speaker 1: Bernie Brats, but who wouldn't. She's a winner. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's like how dash the fifth person to reach the

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Speaker 1: finish line is the obvious front run Well, because what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? It's like the how the tortoise in

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Speaker 1: the hair that the tortoise wins the race? Unbelievable. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's beautiful. Um the obvious choice. I like the use

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Speaker 1: of Bernie Brats. I didn't even go that far. Um. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening, sharing the journey with us. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: I know you're talking about the people listening, but you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: You can check us out all fine at worst your

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Speaker 1: pod on Instagram and Twitter. That's it, no other social media,

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Speaker 1: nothing else. But there's merchandise. I guess, uh, we can

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Speaker 1: do that. Not Nope, Sophie is not um cool. I

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Speaker 1: guess we're gonna be done now, I guess we have

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be done. But I want all of our

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Speaker 1: listeners to go off into the world and know that

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Speaker 1: to us, we think all of you are hierroba Charskay,

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Speaker 1: you're all You're all strong fifths. Don't face your brand

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Speaker 1: new awesome the bottom. I'm so wanted to work that. Okay,

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