Speaker 1: Hey there, fanar Rito's.
Speaker 2: Welcome to a brand new episode of How Rude taner Ritos. Today,
Speaker 2: we have a writer and producer whose name you are
Speaker 2: bound to recognize, whether it be from the many Full
Speaker 2: House episodes he wrote and produced, or from other projects
Speaker 2: he's done, like even Stevens and that's so raven. As
Speaker 2: you remember, we had Dennis's longtime writing partner, Mark Warren
Speaker 2: on the podcast a few months ago, so we can't
Speaker 2: wait to talk to Dennis and hear all about his
Speaker 2: experience on Full House and beyond. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Please welcome Dennis Rinseler to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Hey Guystennis, I'm getting my h camera on.
Speaker 4: Give me a second.
Speaker 2: I recognize that voice, right. I wish somebody would drop
Speaker 2: a hamburger. O.
Speaker 4: My god, hy.
Speaker 1: So good to see your face be.
Speaker 4: Such a warm feeling of great memories.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Yeah, it's been so much.
Speaker 1: Fun doing this.
Speaker 4: Huh, seeing your eternally youthful faces.
Speaker 2: Really, you know, we we had Mark on the podcast
Speaker 2: a few months ago. It was so great to see
Speaker 2: him too. But he just has such wark talking about
Speaker 2: the show and reliving these memories. It's Jody and I
Speaker 2: are having so much fun.
Speaker 1: Watching this has been great.
Speaker 5: I mean we have talked to Frankie hairdressing, Adria Later, producers, writers,
Speaker 5: and just everybody, and it's so much fun because one,
Speaker 5: we haven't seen a lot of you guys in such
Speaker 5: a long time.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, we were kids.
Speaker 5: And we you know, it's been fun to go back
Speaker 5: and watch the show that we never watched.
Speaker 4: I know, I know you were working, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly, we were too busy on TGI Friday.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of the last time I actually
Speaker 3: saw you. I came to a taping a Fuller House
Speaker 3: with my son Greg, who was actually a background player
Speaker 3: in one of the episodes.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's drunk.
Speaker 2: Oh, the frat party episode.
Speaker 4: He was one of the frat boys.
Speaker 1: He was a boy. Oh interesting, Okay.
Speaker 3: And I brought my grandchildren, Noah and Zoe, So it
Speaker 3: was such a mind blowing multi generational.
Speaker 5: Yeah, bringing our kids to set and getting pictures with
Speaker 5: our kids and us like sitting on the couch in
Speaker 5: the set im that I look at those pictures and
Speaker 5: I'm just like, what a what a thing that you
Speaker 5: never thought would happen.
Speaker 2: The Weirdest week was one of the coolest weeks actually
Speaker 2: was when Jody and I, our daughters, were.
Speaker 1: Background players on a couple of episodes.
Speaker 2: Actually, so Jenny and I became like the stage moms
Speaker 2: who were like, how do you get a work permit?
Speaker 2: What do we like? We didn't know what to do
Speaker 2: the things that our moms did for us.
Speaker 1: Yea, on Fuller House, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a very full circle moment for us.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's so great. Oh but it's so great
Speaker 1: to see you.
Speaker 4: Oh, great to see you guys. You look great.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Let's go back, I mean and start like, at the
Speaker 5: beginning of your career, how did you get into this
Speaker 5: business as a writer? Did you want to be a writer?
Speaker 5: Did you want to be an airline pilot?
Speaker 1: And this was what was available?
Speaker 5: I mean what yeah, they threw me out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh I never I never thought about being a writer.
Speaker 4: When I was a kid.
Speaker 3: I was just a wild, crazy kid who just wanted
Speaker 3: to run around, have fun, play. When people asked me
Speaker 3: what do you want to be when you grow up?
Speaker 3: I always said, I don't want to grow up.
Speaker 4: I'm having too much fun.
Speaker 3: No, no thoughts of that, you know, But I love
Speaker 3: goofing around and I loved having a good time and
Speaker 3: something with the name Dennis.
Speaker 4: Everybody was like, are you Dennis? The menas so you.
Speaker 3: So at one point I said why not, you know,
Speaker 3: and I became the class clown. I could still remember
Speaker 3: second grade. I must have been like seven years old.
Speaker 3: I had a substitute teacher, and the teacher saw me
Speaker 3: talking with kids and not paying attention and pulled me
Speaker 3: out in front of the class and put me up
Speaker 3: in the corner and she said, you know, for a
Speaker 3: little boy, you are very fresh. And I said, I'm
Speaker 3: not fresh, I'm stale. I mean, we happened to be
Speaker 3: working on opposites that.
Speaker 4: Very timely material and.
Speaker 5: This is actually something I learned, so you should be
Speaker 5: proud of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it got big laughs. I said that was fun.
Speaker 3: So after that I was on this desk, dancing, running around,
Speaker 3: being an idiot.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 3: I had a good time, and when I went to
Speaker 3: I'm a Camp I channeled it and I would star
Speaker 3: in the camp plays and things like that, and I
Speaker 3: told my parents I know what I want to be
Speaker 3: when I grow up. I want to be a Broadway actor.
Speaker 3: And they said, no, you'll starve, You'll start my parents
Speaker 3: were very poor and they were panicked, and they said,
Speaker 3: be something safe, be a teacher, practical.
Speaker 4: I said, well, you know what that's like, acting a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 3: I could get up in front of the class, I
Speaker 3: could perform, I could teach. And I love kids, and
Speaker 3: I love being a camp counselor. I always wanted to
Speaker 3: be the fun counselor. And I said, all right, great,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. Love it and went to college to
Speaker 3: study be a teacher, where I met Mark Warren, who
Speaker 3: was also studying to be a teacher.
Speaker 4: We want to fourth grade teachers.
Speaker 5: I got my undergrad degree in elementary with a focus
Speaker 5: in elementary education, so I also was going to be
Speaker 5: a teacher.
Speaker 3: And when I met Mark and we started talking, we
Speaker 3: realized we had the same sense of humor. We loved
Speaker 3: dead old Hollywood movies. We had just watched The Night
Speaker 3: Before Women's Prison with Idle Lapino, and we were making
Speaker 3: jokes about it, and when we went into class, we
Speaker 3: were laughing so hard that the teacher, you know, gave
Speaker 3: us one of all right, mister Rinseler, mister Warren, tell
Speaker 3: the class what's so funny, And we couldn't really explain
Speaker 3: why we were laughing. So they threw us out and
Speaker 3: we became great friends after that, and we became teachers.
Speaker 4: And we taught in New York City.
Speaker 3: I wanted to go to like the most challenging school
Speaker 3: in New York, the poorest neighborhood. I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 3: change the world. And they did send me to a
Speaker 3: school that just opened. When a school just opens, who
Speaker 3: do you send every school in the neighborhood sends the
Speaker 3: twenty five worst kids.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, So we go in there. The kids are.
Speaker 3: Running wild, they're pulling the fire alarm every ten minutes,
Speaker 3: they're letting wild dogs into the building. There was a
Speaker 3: dead body in the school yard. We're calling the police
Speaker 3: cause somebody plays pick.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's one hell of a show and tell
Speaker 5: show and don't tell really, you know, betting on your
Speaker 5: level of involvement.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: But so that was our thing until another teacher my neighbors, said,
Speaker 3: why don't we write a script about teaching. I know,
Speaker 3: I once took a filmmaking course.
Speaker 4: I know how to you know, make movies.
Speaker 3: So we went to his house every day after school
Speaker 3: and told the stories that happened in our school, crazy
Speaker 3: crazy stories, right, And they said ah, let's go to Hollywood.
Speaker 4: What do we got to do?
Speaker 3: So they said, well, the next vacation, we'll go out
Speaker 3: to Hollywood. We'll rent an El Dorado Cadillac convertible, we'll
Speaker 3: get sunglasses, we'll drive around with a stack of scripts
Speaker 3: and we'll knock on doors. And we tried it, you know,
Speaker 3: and soon the vacation was over, Mark and I had
Speaker 3: to get back to work. The guy said, I'll stay,
Speaker 3: I'll finish up. So he said, it looks like it's
Speaker 3: not going to happen. We went back to teaching. I
Speaker 3: was so said, I even sent my name and birthday
Speaker 3: to an astrologer who wrote back and said, your life
Speaker 3: is about to change. You are going to get money
Speaker 3: in the middle of the summer. You're going to become
Speaker 3: a writer. I was like, that's ridiculous. And that summer
Speaker 3: we get a phone call from the guy who was
Speaker 3: still in California trying to sell the script. He says,
Speaker 3: I sold the script. We're getting money in the middle
Speaker 3: of the summer. You got to come out here and
Speaker 3: be a writer. So we were like, let's do it.
Speaker 1: This astrologer's number, please give it to us. On the side,
Speaker 1: I'd like to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He sent me an actual tape, like a cassette
Speaker 4: tape to play you are going to make money. I
Speaker 4: was like, real, you know.
Speaker 3: But it worked and we came out and unfortunately the
Speaker 3: script we wrote, even though we sold it and got money,
Speaker 3: somebody ripped it off. He made a movie called Teachers
Speaker 3: with Nick Nolty. But we couldn't complain because we did
Speaker 3: get paid. The guy who paid us was angry because
Speaker 3: he was right.
Speaker 1: Because he didn't Yeah yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3: And then we said we got an agent who said,
Speaker 3: you know what, forget movies.
Speaker 4: Those scripts sit on shelves.
Speaker 3: Whoever come out to Hollywood and I'll get you a
Speaker 3: job writing for TV.
Speaker 4: So we packed up, we quit teaching.
Speaker 3: We took our wives and our we had each had
Speaker 3: one son at the time. We moved out to Hollywood
Speaker 3: and I went up to see the agent and he's
Speaker 3: leaving the business. He goes, oh, I quit this business
Speaker 3: is horrible at stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry. We said, hey, our wives.
Speaker 3: Are in Beverly Hills now for homes, and what are
Speaker 3: we going to tell it? There's no job and there wasn't.
Speaker 3: So every day we just went up to that same
Speaker 3: agency CIA and said, you promise us a job, please please, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And finally we ended up writing for some puppet named Madam.
Speaker 5: Okay, I have a love hate relationship with Madam.
Speaker 1: When I was little, I was terrified of her.
Speaker 4: That face, the face it.
Speaker 5: Also it looked like the Wicked Queen from Snow White
Speaker 5: for me, and that was just that was just a
Speaker 5: no go. But then as I got older and went
Speaker 5: and rewatched Madam on it was on solid gold. Right
Speaker 5: now I have a whole new appreciation and she's hilarious
Speaker 5: and it's a total like, you know, I had no
Speaker 5: idea you wrote for Madam.
Speaker 3: Well, now that you got older, and if you have
Speaker 3: a look at her again, a face is basically male genitalia.
Speaker 5: That's what, yes, exactly it is. It's these yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: the nose, the whole.
Speaker 4: Thing, double things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Show.
Speaker 3: She had a sitcom and in the sitcom, she had
Speaker 3: a talk show. Was one of the scenes that she
Speaker 3: would do it, and we got all the Hollywood stars
Speaker 3: would come Debbie Reynolds, the people would come in. And
Speaker 3: when we learned how to write on that show amazing.
Speaker 5: Back when puppets were just getting shows left and right,
Speaker 5: you got al you know, you got madam, there's.
Speaker 4: No there's no puppets hr puffing stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know.
Speaker 5: What was puffing stuff exactly exactly if you've ever watched
Speaker 5: that show.
Speaker 1: Weirdly found it and loved it. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: what is happening?
Speaker 3: It's great people were puffing stuff and watching that show exactly.
Speaker 1: So that seems like it's quite a quite a journey.
Speaker 5: And like, you know, Mark told us a little bit
Speaker 5: about it too, so it's it's cool hearing like both sides.
Speaker 4: Of it, and how the same story wherever we go.
Speaker 5: Well, but yeah, but like it, you know, hearing it
Speaker 5: that you guys both just sort of met and trusted
Speaker 5: each other and and you know, and it worked, and
Speaker 5: it worked for a very long time.
Speaker 3: We still make each other laugh. I had lunch with
Speaker 3: him yesterday. We still worked at the same stuff. It's great,
Speaker 3: and you know, we've been friends. If we're friends first
Speaker 3: and then you work together, you never have a real argument.
Speaker 3: You only have creative arguments because we love each other.
Speaker 4: So we never really had an argument in thirty years.
Speaker 3: We thirty five years we worked together, just arguing over
Speaker 3: you know, what's funny here or something? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh, that's so what a what a great friendship.
Speaker 2: That makes me feel so good inside that you just
Speaker 2: had lunch with him too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every week we said we get together every week.
Speaker 3: That's we go on vacation together. We still hang out.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love stories.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean there's.
Speaker 4: So many we say anything else.
Speaker 3: I just want to tell Andrea what a good sport
Speaker 3: and a troop of you were for putting up with
Speaker 3: all those Kimmy gibblers stinky feet jokes.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, as a.
Speaker 3: Young teenager, a young person growing up, every little imperfection
Speaker 3: is magnified, so you really didn't need that.
Speaker 4: Upbringing. But you took it like such a pro. Really
Speaker 4: respected you for that.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so nice of you to say that, thank you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it was the stinky feet jokes have followed me throughout
Speaker 2: my entire life. You know, even to this day, people
Speaker 2: ask about my stinky feet.
Speaker 5: But you know, you could start selling your shoes on
Speaker 5: eBay and I bet people would buy them.
Speaker 1: This could be a whole other career for me.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, market people, do you say thank you?
Speaker 4: What do you say when they say I?
Speaker 2: You know, one time I did get a little sassy,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well you want to find out, I'll.
Speaker 1: Take the shoes off right here.
Speaker 2: But mostly I just like, I'm just like, no, no,
Speaker 2: my feet don't stink.
Speaker 1: I'm too polite to.
Speaker 5: Say anything like no, no, no, I don't know. I
Speaker 5: my feet aren't real. I don't have feet, and they're
Speaker 5: not real.
Speaker 1: They're not they're not really. Those weren't really my feet.
Speaker 2: But Kimmy was such a fun character, Y like, she
Speaker 2: was such a great character to play.
Speaker 3: Was how about the outfits we picked out for you?
Speaker 1: I didn't love the outfits. It's your fault, your fault. Yes,
Speaker 1: I try not to harbor too much resentment.
Speaker 2: No I didn't. Yeah, the wardrobe was tough, was tough,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 3: I feel like they would show us choices. We have
Speaker 3: this one of this one, we go, oh, that second
Speaker 3: one is worse.
Speaker 4: We got to use that Oh.
Speaker 2: Gosh, yes, you see, you see, But that's okay.
Speaker 4: Character.
Speaker 2: It was the character, and I feel like in Fuller House,
Speaker 2: Kimmy Gibler got so much redemption. You know, she was
Speaker 2: finally like her wardrobe was finally stylish and yeah, she
Speaker 2: finally came into her own.
Speaker 3: Well, when you guys are in charge, you make different decisions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird how the adult on the show. It
Speaker 1: makes a big difference in your wardrobe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ask you doing the show. Did you have any
Speaker 3: revelations like now that you're on the other side, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's why you do this, So that's why they made
Speaker 3: those decisions. Did anything hit you like now I see
Speaker 3: it from the other side.
Speaker 1: I mean, a great question for me the week I directed.
Speaker 5: Was I mean, and I cud you know, I kind
Speaker 5: of knew some of the questions that that side of
Speaker 5: the camera has to ask, but but it was a
Speaker 5: very different experience when you're like, oh, yeah, like I'm
Speaker 5: in charge here and everything all the pieces have to
Speaker 5: fit and I actually am in charge of some decisions
Speaker 5: and I have to make a choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're making a decision for week. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of the ever rote an episode.
Speaker 2: It's been a week in the writer's room, which was amazing,
Speaker 2: Like there is just oh boy, lots of jokes, lots
Speaker 2: of talk, lots of wasted time, lots of snacks, like
Speaker 2: there's lot going on in that room that the fuel.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but no, it was fantastic. I I really
Speaker 2: think what I realized that week in the writer's room
Speaker 2: on Fuller House was there should really be a liaison
Speaker 2: between the stage and the writer's room, because I was
Speaker 2: kind of both that week. I was the actor on
Speaker 2: the stage and I was the writer in the writer's room.
Speaker 2: But I was able to explain to the writers why
Speaker 2: a scene wasn't working, or why this joke wasn't hitting,
Speaker 2: or why this this actor wouldn't be able to make
Speaker 2: it work or whatever, and they were like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: well let's just change that. We'll just change that scene.
Speaker 2: We'll make that. It's an easy change to make. And
Speaker 2: then when I was on the stage, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: the writers really want this, you know, they really want
Speaker 2: this thing to work, and so.
Speaker 1: We gotta we got to figure out different blocking or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, this is this is helpful
Speaker 2: to have somebody talking, which I guess that was mostly
Speaker 2: you and Mark and Jeff too when Jeff was on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: You guys really related.
Speaker 3: Second hand, like all that from the stage is, but
Speaker 3: you're right person in both places well, and.
Speaker 5: Not only that, I find anyone working on the other
Speaker 5: side of the camera who has also been an actor
Speaker 5: or ever at least had some.
Speaker 1: Sort of experience on that.
Speaker 5: It's a really great bridge because you both you understand
Speaker 5: what the actor is feeling and how to talk to
Speaker 5: them and like what they and then you know, the
Speaker 5: writers or the director or whatever. It's like you know,
Speaker 5: how what to push on, what to sort of let
Speaker 5: them have, you know, and uh, yeah, it's just but
Speaker 5: it is the liaison between sort of that again, that
Speaker 5: bridge in the middle. I don't think people really get
Speaker 5: how siloed. Yeah, your stage and the writer's room are.
Speaker 5: They are across the law in different spots.
Speaker 2: We don't really, yeah, we don't really. We never really
Speaker 2: interacted that much with the writers. You know, they would
Speaker 2: come for run throughs and watch us at run throughs,
Speaker 2: but other than that, there wasn't Yeah, there wasn't a
Speaker 2: whole lot of interaction.
Speaker 4: It is the nerve center, the brain. Yeah, the show.
Speaker 3: And uh, I got to tell you guys, when we
Speaker 3: came on the show the second season, it was not
Speaker 3: a happy place because we came in and all we're
Speaker 3: hearing is all the reviews are terrible. They're trashing us,
Speaker 3: and the audience is not even hasn't even found us.
Speaker 3: We have there's no ratings and uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: think this is just a kid show. Then we go
Speaker 3: down to the stage and we find out John Stamos
Speaker 3: doesn't like the show.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to be in.
Speaker 3: Every scene is being stolen by some young kids.
Speaker 4: Bob Saggant, Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: They hated each other, well, not hated each other, but
Speaker 5: they drove each other nuts.
Speaker 4: And Saggot hates his character. I'm a nerd.
Speaker 3: I'm a clean freak wife, right, Dave Coolier, he just
Speaker 3: wanted to come to work and.
Speaker 5: Just the guy who's like, what this man, what do
Speaker 5: you want me to do?
Speaker 3: But the thing was, even though we thought, oh, I
Speaker 3: guess we're just doing a kid show. It's a rip
Speaker 3: off of three men and a baby and all that.
Speaker 4: But when we saw you guys, we were saying, this
Speaker 4: is this is comedy gold.
Speaker 3: I mean comedy gold is when you know, you give
Speaker 3: actors a joke, and it's usually if you write a
Speaker 3: good joke, it's joke proof. Just read it and we'll laugh.
Speaker 3: But you guys were making the straight lines funny.
Speaker 4: How rude?
Speaker 3: You could put that in a script, Stephanie, go up
Speaker 3: to your room, how rude? No, And you did it.
Speaker 3: It was so powerful and funny. We're still doing it today.
Speaker 3: It was still using it today.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Andrea, you had to take a character who normally
Speaker 3: you would say this person could be annoying. You did
Speaker 3: it in such a funny way that when you walked
Speaker 3: in the room, everyone's so happy because now it's going
Speaker 3: to get really funny. And that's that's gold. And when
Speaker 3: we realize that and Michelle, you know, Jeff knew how
Speaker 3: to make Michelle so cute, so cute, and we realized, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's kids, but it's great kids. And Cameron, Candace Cameron
Speaker 3: was a good dramatic actress. She can do those scenes.
Speaker 1: She could cry on demand.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Me, like maybe halfway through the second season when
Speaker 3: we were.
Speaker 4: Doing Goodbye Mister Bear. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And Stephanie has a you know, an attachment to that
Speaker 3: stuff down there. And I'm on the stage and I
Speaker 3: look into the audience and people are crying, crying, and
Speaker 3: adults are crying. So we're saying, wait a minute, this
Speaker 3: isn't just kids. Adults loving the show. So when we
Speaker 3: got back to the room, we said, we got to
Speaker 3: start thinking of this show as a single mom sitting
Speaker 3: with an eight year old girl watching the show.
Speaker 4: That's who we're going to write for.
Speaker 3: Then we did some research and we find out boys
Speaker 3: are watching because they love Joey, and young women and
Speaker 3: teenage girls love John Stamos of course, and the kids
Speaker 3: are so funny that we said, oh, I think we
Speaker 3: got the right formula. And that's when it started to click.
Speaker 3: And that's when we started getting people coming. You know,
Speaker 3: we couldn't we had turned people away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we found our groove in that second season about
Speaker 5: how all of us actors writers, and that's usually kind
Speaker 5: of how it goes, which is much the hard thing
Speaker 5: about shows now is that you know they're like, entertain
Speaker 5: me in the first episode or you're gone.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it takes.
Speaker 5: A while, like you said, to build that audience and
Speaker 5: for people to overlook maybe a review and watch it
Speaker 5: for themselves. And you know, look, the only award full
Speaker 5: or full house, full or House has won is the
Speaker 5: People's Choice Awards, And honestly, I would rather win that, yeah,
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways, because it means that people.
Speaker 1: Are enjoying what you're doing.
Speaker 5: And you guys like made you really got that connection
Speaker 5: between like each of our sort of ages, demographics, abilities,
Speaker 5: and it took.
Speaker 3: A while you know, when Mark and I came on
Speaker 3: the show, we were parents and most of the guys
Speaker 3: there were not not yeah, and there were no women
Speaker 3: on the staff.
Speaker 1: Yep and yep.
Speaker 3: The vibe of the show was, Oh, it's these three
Speaker 3: single guys and they're kind of stuck raising these girls
Speaker 3: and the girls are cramping their style, which is not sympathetic.
Speaker 3: In Spain, the show was called Padres Fizzoso's which is
Speaker 3: like forced fathers show, so you know, uh, and we
Speaker 3: we came in with parenting stories.
Speaker 4: I mean, look at the first episode.
Speaker 3: We wrote jingle Hell, jingle h E double hockey stack,
Speaker 3: as Joey would say, and we did Jesse and.
Speaker 4: Joey team up to work.
Speaker 3: On advertising together, which was from our life.
Speaker 4: Mark and I were a writing team.
Speaker 3: We know the arguments you have, and DJ and Stephanie
Speaker 3: are arguing that Stephanie's always touching DJ's stuff. So when
Speaker 3: the girls have an argument and they see the boys
Speaker 3: having an argument, the men having an argument, and they worry,
Speaker 3: the girls wearri are we going to are you guys
Speaker 3: getting divorced? And it made the guys realize G has parents.
Speaker 3: Everything we do reflects to them. We have to set
Speaker 3: a better example. So those are the kind of stories
Speaker 3: you're interested. Plus we gave Danny uh potty training story,
Speaker 3: which is right.
Speaker 4: You know, a parenting story. So we were pushing towards
Speaker 4: those kind of stories.
Speaker 3: Although we did have a problem in that we didn't
Speaker 3: know right away that John Stamos and Uh Sagitt were
Speaker 3: not getting along. So he because Saga was good friends
Speaker 3: with Joey, they with Uh with David comics together and
Speaker 3: in Comes John and John starts getting real friendly with Dave,
Speaker 3: and Bob feels left out.
Speaker 4: So we said, let's write a script.
Speaker 5: I think Bob always felt left out even when he
Speaker 5: was included.
Speaker 1: He was like wait.
Speaker 3: So we wrote a script called Pal Joey, will you
Speaker 3: do a flashback? Yes, ends, and you see that Joey
Speaker 3: and Danny are friends. Incomes Jesse gets in between the
Speaker 3: two of them. Now he's more friends with Joey. Danny
Speaker 3: fields left out, and they all come together at the
Speaker 3: end and they bury something as friendship's right. Get the
Speaker 3: word that on the stage the three of them are
Speaker 3: getting along.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 4: So we said, oh, all right, it worked. It worked? Wow?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it really you know, and John and Bob
Speaker 5: John always still tells the story about how, yeah, they
Speaker 5: couldn't stand each other and then they became brothers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like everything else. Yeah, well, you know John Stamus
Speaker 3: was such a pro and he had so much experience
Speaker 3: and John and Bob is you know he's from stand up,
Speaker 3: say and do anything you want?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly, he was.
Speaker 4: He was. I mean the parents used to get so
Speaker 4: upset with this stuff, right, yes, I remember you guys.
Speaker 3: Were sitting around one morning and Bob comes in and
Speaker 3: he goes, oh my god, I had such morning this morning.
Speaker 4: My daughters were playing ring toss on.
Speaker 3: That and the mother is your mom and Canada's mom,
Speaker 3: and you know what, it got back to the Inquirer
Speaker 3: that Bob was out of control and the parents were angry,
Speaker 3: and that was true.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Well that there was a story when I was like
Speaker 5: nine or something ten, because Bob and I were super close.
Speaker 5: I loved Bob and I was close with his daughters,
Speaker 5: and so I would spend weekends and stuff at the
Speaker 5: house sometimes, you know, and he'd I go home with
Speaker 5: him after taping whatever to go see Audrey and Laura.
Speaker 5: And around that time, there was a Star magazine article
Speaker 5: that came out that I was a difficult child to
Speaker 5: work with. I was throwing tantrums. Nobody on set liked me,
Speaker 5: particularly Bob. He was trying to get me fired. Like
Speaker 5: it was the wildest thing.
Speaker 4: The headline was mean me, Bob saggot, the man's Jody's
Speaker 4: weedn't be fired.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when we came to work the next day,
Speaker 3: you guys pretended that it was real. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 3: arguing in front, I want you out of here.
Speaker 1: That's hysterical.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just made fun of it.
Speaker 3: We all knew it wasn't true, but the rest of
Speaker 3: the country they don't know.
Speaker 4: Those men.
Speaker 5: So ridiculous, so ridiculous crazy. Now, you've worked on like
Speaker 5: several other incredibly popular shows, even Stevens.
Speaker 4: That was great, So Raven that was fun? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What what?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: What else? What other things have been your favorite?
Speaker 3: Like, it's funny. After Full House, the comedy started changing.
Speaker 3: The shows not family shows that everyone watched together. You
Speaker 3: had Seinfeld, you had Rose Dan. You know, these were
Speaker 3: kind of adult comedies. So the networks were like when
Speaker 3: we would go in there and they'd say, oh, you
Speaker 3: guys did Full House, right, Oh okay, Well we're.
Speaker 4: Not really doing that kind of thing anymore.
Speaker 3: And then the Disney Channel pops up and they're like,
Speaker 3: full House, get over here, exactly what we're looking for.
Speaker 4: So they gave us Even Stevens.
Speaker 3: We you know, after a while, we became like a
Speaker 3: show doctors because we took over Full House after Jeff
Speaker 3: left to do Hanging with mister Cooper. They trusted us
Speaker 3: to take over shows like The Parenthood with Robert Townsend
Speaker 3: and Even Stevens. The first staff left and we came in,
Speaker 3: or that's so raven The whole staff left, the show
Speaker 3: runner left and we came in. And on Even Stevens,
Speaker 3: they really didn't have a family show that didn't have
Speaker 3: a magic element, a magic sweater or some weird science.
Speaker 3: So we were just doing crazy families stories and they
Speaker 3: didn't really have any comments on what we did. They
Speaker 3: would say, all right, I guess, I guess that's okay.
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want. So we did the first Disney
Speaker 3: Channel musical, We did an episode of Even Stevens. We
Speaker 3: did fake documentaries, documentaries like spinal tap, things like that.
Speaker 3: We tried anything, and so it was really and it
Speaker 3: was single camera, which means instead of doing it like
Speaker 3: we did on Full House, which is a play that
Speaker 3: you you show in front of an audience with four cameras,
Speaker 3: single camera, one at a time, seen by thing takes forever.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh, yes, yeah, we always do that too,
Speaker 5: like use a term, and then I'm like, wait, hold on,
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone outside of this business.
Speaker 3: So when you shoot it like a movie, uh, you
Speaker 3: could do whatever you want. You could put the camera
Speaker 3: on the ceiling, in the toilet bowl, any crazy shot
Speaker 3: you want. So we had a lot of fun on
Speaker 3: that show and that talented people sh Buff was on
Speaker 3: and he.
Speaker 1: Christy Yeah, Christy car.
Speaker 4: Mona was great and that was fun. That was a
Speaker 4: lot of fun.
Speaker 3: And then Raven we went back to four cameras shot
Speaker 3: in front of an audience, and she was so surprisingly talented.
Speaker 3: She could do anything, yeah, sing, dance, physical, comedy, stunts, drama,
Speaker 3: you know. So she was the real deal too. So
Speaker 3: that was it brought us back to the Full House days,
Speaker 3: you know, in front of an audience and getting real laughs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there's something about that that just for writers
Speaker 5: and actors, it's so great to get that immediate feedback.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh, that's working and when you when it
Speaker 5: doesn't work, you're like, oh, that's you know, we.
Speaker 4: Need to change it.
Speaker 3: When we would shoot Full House in front of an audience,
Speaker 3: if the joke didn't work, the actors would quickly huddle up,
Speaker 3: pitch a new joke, and we'd try it in front
Speaker 3: of the audience if that word it was good. But
Speaker 3: when you're doing film on single camera, there's no audio
Speaker 3: and you can't laugh. So someone's trying to be really
Speaker 3: funny and we have to hold a breath and not laugh.
Speaker 4: So that person doesn't know is this working? Is thisay?
Speaker 4: No one's laughing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 5: It's a totally different, totally different vibe.
Speaker 3: And when you have a live audience you try to
Speaker 3: make them laugh. Come on, everybody, enjoy it. Laugh, You
Speaker 3: throw candy so they all she'll get up right, yes, sure,
Speaker 3: the fifty five degrees so they're laughing just.
Speaker 4: To keep warm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you guys.
Speaker 5: That wraps up part one of our interview with Dennis Rinstler,
Speaker 5: and there is so much more to talk about with him.
Speaker 5: We had such a great interview from his career on
Speaker 5: Full House to the other iconic shows that he's worked on,
Speaker 5: like even Stevens and that's so raven. You can listen
Speaker 5: to the rest of Dennis's interview in part two, which
Speaker 5: will be airing this Friday, and in the meantime, if
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Speaker 5: But remember, you guys, the world is small, but the
Speaker 5: house is full of child actors just just lousy with them.
Speaker 1: They're everywhere, They're everywhere you look. They're everywhere you look.
Speaker 5: And and there's also a corner of of uh studio
Speaker 5: teachers somewhere if the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't worry.
Speaker 5: They're not totally unsupervised.
Speaker 1: Like Michelle, It's
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