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Speaker 1: Gregg Gregg. A happy Tuesday. I got a little Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones trail out there, so that was a nice little, uh,
Speaker 1: nice little morning today. Happy about that. You know where
Speaker 1: we're at in the in the time of year. This
Speaker 1: is every year we hit this point, Greg, where it's
Speaker 1: spring training is going on. You're watching some of these
Speaker 1: games and you see the sun beating down the weather
Speaker 1: looks great. Like we're at that time right now where
Speaker 1: although it's only March, and like we're basically in the
Speaker 1: middle of winter. It feels like windows should be over
Speaker 1: at least, That's how I feel. So I'm getting out
Speaker 1: of like bed today, and you know, come outside degree point.
Speaker 1: This is the time where you know, things gotta start
Speaker 1: to rush a little bit right about now. So and
Speaker 1: then we always get like one more snowstorm, we do.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And I will say this because I've
Speaker 1: I look in the city for for a little while now,
Speaker 1: and like I remember being like absolutely frozen walking to work.
Speaker 1: I can't feel your face, can't feel your ears, can't
Speaker 1: feel her anything. And I've only felt like that this
Speaker 1: year once or twice. Like it hasn't been a brutally
Speaker 1: bad winter of act insanely insanely cold temperature, but it
Speaker 1: just feels it's gone for a while, like did You're
Speaker 1: right about that. You're right about that. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: a brutal winter, Like we have some snow on the
Speaker 1: ground right now, but we haven't been like blasted. That's
Speaker 1: why I like everything evens out right Murphy's law, like
Speaker 1: we're gonna get blasted again before like March is over
Speaker 1: at least, I feel like that isn't that Newton's law
Speaker 1: You're trying to think Newton's law, what's Murphy's law? And
Speaker 1: looking up, I'm not sure like you're talking about like
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about Newton's law. That's what you're
Speaker 1: referring to. Right, anything that can go wrong, we'll go
Speaker 1: wrong with Murphy's law. Which law. That's how you're trying,
Speaker 1: that's how you're first everything every action will have an
Speaker 1: equal opposite reaction. I thought everything evens out right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's new. There's too many laws, all right, we
Speaker 1: just laid that on the table right now. Too many laws.
Speaker 1: Murphy's law is still kind of applicable to me. Is
Speaker 1: an adage or epigram that is typically stated as anything
Speaker 1: that can go wrong will go wrong. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's not like we're talking No, it's exactly what I meant.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about there's no snow on the
Speaker 1: ground that it hasn't been a bad winter through, which
Speaker 1: means everything is about to go wrong. Greg, we hope
Speaker 1: we're not on the fantasy baseball drafts. By the way,
Speaker 1: two weeks from tonight is our GST draft, which will
Speaker 1: only be part of if you pay Adams, Yes, anybody,
Speaker 1: I mean, why don't I don't. I don't used to.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I said, you're like the highest ranking
Speaker 1: official like myself, Michael Florio. What's the difference. We're all
Speaker 1: pay equally. I know, but so it's different. You're responsible
Speaker 1: like I don't. I really don't. If I can you Kin,
Speaker 1: just Ben move you the money and you can PayPal.
Speaker 1: I I did that last year. What's the difference, Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I told you my duty. I told you
Speaker 1: I paid. Are you pay both? Wow? What can't Florida
Speaker 1: do it? Great question? Get him on the line, Floria,
Speaker 1: if you're listening. Is it gonna be from a urinal again?
Speaker 1: I don't need you. I don't need to get the bathroom. Hey,
Speaker 1: I like Kyle Andricks more than cold hamals. I don't
Speaker 1: need like I don't need. I'm just like the PayPal.
Speaker 1: I don't money in the account. I don't want to
Speaker 1: think about it. That's all it is. It's just it's easier.
Speaker 1: There's like too many money apps now cash kind I
Speaker 1: don't get I get caught up too much constantly, like
Speaker 1: moving money around in and out of bank accounts. It's annoying,
Speaker 1: thistles money, having a cold hard cash. Everyone's rid of it.
Speaker 1: Man like stadiums game. He's cash stadiums anymore. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Speaking of stadiums, I was at the NET game last night.
Speaker 1: You see some Dirk You not how to? I mean
Speaker 1: I didn't even know if she was there. How how
Speaker 1: was I supposed to know? Greg? Where is big time?
Speaker 1: She's too big? So yeah, I didn't know she was there.
Speaker 1: I ended up on the nets broadcast, had no idea
Speaker 1: between and they just saw you on TV. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: They were probably doing that thing where they show everyone
Speaker 1: who's like paying respect to dirt because everyone, like everyone
Speaker 1: was standing up with their phones out, Like I thought,
Speaker 1: there's a forty point game, and and cried the entire
Speaker 1: crowd is changing like m v P for Dirk whenever
Speaker 1: he touches the ball. I thought more broken was died.
Speaker 1: I thought they were showing. They were just showing the
Speaker 1: celebrities are at the game, which why they showed you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that's too Yeah they showed it. They showed
Speaker 1: a Rod on the big screen. He was there at
Speaker 1: the game. He was front row. I mean they showed me,
Speaker 1: how are your seats nomen awesome? And I was like
Speaker 1: ten rows behind, Like that's awesome. Sick was right in
Speaker 1: the middle of the court too. And how about this
Speaker 1: gig unlimited food, unlimited food. I didn't take enough advantage
Speaker 1: of it. I mean I did. I had bonless Buffalo wings,
Speaker 1: Nathan's fries, very good, unlimited, not unlimited booze. She made
Speaker 1: sure that she stressed that. She's like, we can't give
Speaker 1: you unlimited drinks, so yes, and not alcoholic beverage. That's great,
Speaker 1: we need to We probably do that again before the
Speaker 1: end of the season, but like I should go this
Speaker 1: time in what there was excuse brother, um, all right,
Speaker 1: I love that about the nets and the Mavericks and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do what people are here for, which is
Speaker 1: some of these late rast staring pictures. So, as promised,
Speaker 1: Florio sent me his point in league rankings. I'm giving
Speaker 1: him full credit for this, but I have then taken
Speaker 1: his rankings and separated it into my own rankings, moving
Speaker 1: people up and down, color coding it as I do.
Speaker 1: And as I turned my computer around Greg Selsman's rankings
Speaker 1: boom available on Venmo absolutely for a small fee that
Speaker 1: will be about one cent less than Chris Venter's charging.
Speaker 1: Whatever that is to be perfectly, honest, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1: I don't know later it was great. So anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we have talked a lot about rankings, and I've
Speaker 1: tried to use that to move guys up and down
Speaker 1: to my board based on like guys I like. Obviously
Speaker 1: Floria has his own ranks and franks his own rankings,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be prepared. I wanted to um,
Speaker 1: I have my own rankings for own reasons. So here
Speaker 1: they are, once again polar coded, as I do all rankings.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool, right, we're doing a great job, gregs funny.
Speaker 1: Can we dive into second rankings? Let's do it right now,
Speaker 1: let's get right in the story pictures, shall I? We shall?
Speaker 1: All right? So we we've hit problems. I don't Actually,
Speaker 1: here's the one problem with my rankings. I don't have
Speaker 1: like numbers next to them, like who the first, second,
Speaker 1: and third, Like, I don't have any of those. It's
Speaker 1: just an order of the guys that I like it.
Speaker 1: So we got through what thirty forty story pictures already
Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah, I think we ended around like
Speaker 1: Robbie Ray David Price is yesterday, which is right around me. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this whole tier. I feel like we we kind
Speaker 1: of hit um, it's here right after it's here. Five.
Speaker 1: Haven't really talked about the guy who uh ed Wara, Rodriguez, Valdi,
Speaker 1: like we brought their names up, Nick Pavetta, Joe must Grove,
Speaker 1: Andrew Heeney. That's really like, those are the hype guys
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, so I have those guys all kind
Speaker 1: of similar. Um, some of her in my tier five,
Speaker 1: some of her in my Tier six. Just how I'm
Speaker 1: broken it up. Um, But if you want to start
Speaker 1: with Rodriguez and Bieber and Pavetta, we could go into
Speaker 1: that if that's cool. Alright, So I have Beeber higher
Speaker 1: as well. But going into draft season, when I asked
Speaker 1: Frank a, right, who the hype guys this year? Let's
Speaker 1: really have one of the first conversations I asked before
Speaker 1: I looked at the ranking, before I studied anything, who
Speaker 1: were this year's hype guys? And the two answers he
Speaker 1: gave me were Shane Bieber and Nick Pavetta. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Shane Bieber and what's good with him,
Speaker 1: and you look at every advanced metrick. He doesn't walk.
Speaker 1: Anybody strikes a ton of guys out. He's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: Like I love Shane Beeber. This year, Um, everything in
Speaker 1: the minors has been consistent. We give you the Dians pedigree.
Speaker 1: We's talk a lot about Shane Baber. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think we need to go with Beaver. But the
Speaker 1: other guy we talked that he gave to me besides
Speaker 1: Shane Beaver Biever was Nick Pavetta. And this one was
Speaker 1: kind of a prize to me, just on the surface,
Speaker 1: like Pavetta, like I've heard his name banded about for
Speaker 1: a while. You look at Philly, it's not a great ballpark.
Speaker 1: Obviously you have Arietta there, you have arian Nola there.
Speaker 1: Of course, um you have my man. Did Evelasquez there
Speaker 1: my man? And it's like, okay, I like LASKI. I
Speaker 1: always leave Nivelaska working with a mental health coach in
Speaker 1: the off season. I got. I moved them up, and
Speaker 1: I don't think to move him up high enough. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I love Evelaska and move to
Speaker 1: another tier. This is this is the best part of
Speaker 1: having rankings. I can move backs up and down. I
Speaker 1: will agree with what Modica said, is drafting right now
Speaker 1: you know, if you do some Best Ball drafts or
Speaker 1: even mock drafts, that's how you figure out how to
Speaker 1: rank players, Because when you're actually on the spot and
Speaker 1: you have to decide, oh, do I want you know
Speaker 1: Nick Pavetto, or do I wanted Wardon Rodriguez? Do I
Speaker 1: want Nick Pavetta, or do I want Shane Bieber. When
Speaker 1: you're actually in that position where you have to make
Speaker 1: that decision yourself and and do the research, that's when
Speaker 1: you kind of figure out, like where these guys should
Speaker 1: be ranked. So definitely true. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned on the surface, I didn't get the
Speaker 1: Nick Pavetta love. Are you in on Nick Pavetta? You love?
Speaker 1: And like everybody else does I? I like Nick Pavetta. Um,
Speaker 1: I have him. I am thirty four, that's starting pictures.
Speaker 1: So I have Shane Bieber twenty five. I have Pavetta thirty,
Speaker 1: so pretty significantly farther. Okay, so I'm moving back to
Speaker 1: where I had him that Okay, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like here. Look the case for nine last year for
Speaker 1: Nick Pavetta ten point three, the wolfsper nine were under
Speaker 1: three solid groundball right nearly forty seven percent. What you're
Speaker 1: looking at here is that the EARRA indicators were much
Speaker 1: better than the four point seven seven ear A, So
Speaker 1: don't let that scare you off too much. The x
Speaker 1: fit was three point four to and the Sierra the
Speaker 1: extro was three point five one. So there's like, by
Speaker 1: all indications, his stuff played up to a you know,
Speaker 1: sub three six e r A. He's gonna definitely have
Speaker 1: run support with the Phillies lineup this year. Uh, he
Speaker 1: didn't allow that much hard contact. He was right around
Speaker 1: thirty two percent, which was better than league average twelve
Speaker 1: percent swinging strike rad I mean, that was good enough
Speaker 1: for top twenty among starting pitchers last year. Over sixty
Speaker 1: percent first pitch strike sixty three percent. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are all marks that he's hitting right, Like if you
Speaker 1: have the if you're over eleven swing crade, if you're
Speaker 1: over sixty pst pitch strike, that means you know, three
Speaker 1: out of five batters that you're facing, you're getting ahead
Speaker 1: in the count. I mean, typically that's what you want. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then he's getting people to chase pitches over thirty
Speaker 1: percent of the time, which is better than league average
Speaker 1: as well. He's got a mid nineties fastball, which definitely
Speaker 1: needs some work. I mean it's it's fast, but it's
Speaker 1: like Louise Casile, like people bomb the fastball. But he
Speaker 1: has two legits. I canary pitches with the curveball and
Speaker 1: the slider to swing and miss pitches. So I understand
Speaker 1: why people like Nick Pavetta. Last year, I got a
Speaker 1: little bit of a John Gray vibe from him, And
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't pitch in corps Field, but it
Speaker 1: was like every like all year long, people were freaking
Speaker 1: out about Pavetta, like how good he should be, But
Speaker 1: it never really came to fruition. He's still young enough
Speaker 1: where like it could happen, like he could easily break
Speaker 1: out this Year's only twenty six years old, so he
Speaker 1: could take that next step where it actually comes to fruition.
Speaker 1: But last year, you remember this Greig, A lot of
Speaker 1: people were just talking about him all year long, like
Speaker 1: how good he should be, like all the underlying numbers.
Speaker 1: He gave me a little bit of a John Gray Field.
Speaker 1: Wasn't pitch in a good hitter's ballpark in the uh
Speaker 1: in Citizens Bank Park with the Phillies. Pretty tough division
Speaker 1: now to like outside of the Marlins he's gonna face
Speaker 1: the Nationals lineup, he's gonna face the Mets lineup, he's
Speaker 1: gonna face the Brains lineup. Pretty tough lineups there too.
Speaker 1: So I like Pavetta. I could see why you know
Speaker 1: he's a breakout candidate. Definitely. I think I've tempered expectations
Speaker 1: a little bit more than other people, though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be people that are higher than me
Speaker 1: than Nick pavetda, Like in the leagues that we're doing
Speaker 1: the g S T A D nine days away now, Um,
Speaker 1: people are just gonna be higher on this guy than
Speaker 1: we are. Like, I know, people in an auction, they're
Speaker 1: gonna bid more than we care for. Like I like
Speaker 1: Nick Pavetta, Like I could see why there's a chance
Speaker 1: that he breaks out, Like you also see why he
Speaker 1: may not. Like the good news is there's a good
Speaker 1: chance he could pitch around a hundred and eight hundred
Speaker 1: nine innings like that. That's awesome. Um, how do you
Speaker 1: think how do you think Nick Pavetta goes for in
Speaker 1: an auction? Fifteen teams? I have no I have no
Speaker 1: concept of this at this moment. I'm just I'm thinking of,
Speaker 1: like how much we paid for like last year, for example,
Speaker 1: we got alex Would for like seven eight bucks, so
Speaker 1: I feel like Povetto would this year. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like in the range where alex Wood was last My
Speaker 1: first instinct was like nine, Yeah, that was my first
Speaker 1: ten bucks something like that, which you probably want them
Speaker 1: as like your SP four four yea spen ten dollars
Speaker 1: on them in a fifte team. You know what's really
Speaker 1: interesting because we will said four pretty immediately there, Nick Pavetta,
Speaker 1: right right, yes, before yea, what have I said? And
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of drafts where Moredcae has done
Speaker 1: he gets paved, he gets him as is four. But
Speaker 1: the funny thing about this, and what's kind of almost
Speaker 1: confirming my beliefs if I would have said, okay, the
Speaker 1: two hype guys, Nick Pavetta, we both said five s befour,
Speaker 1: I'm I give you Shane Bieber to me SP three.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. It's true. Yeah, I just kind
Speaker 1: of I think there's a little bit more trust in
Speaker 1: Bieber for me. I don't know, but I have it.
Speaker 1: But I have it also, and I'm like, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with Shane Bieber is organizational organizational philosophy, right, maybe, but
Speaker 1: the other you've done such a good job. The Cleveland
Speaker 1: Indians know we've vision a pitchin too. We've hardly on
Speaker 1: this all three days this week, to be fair, or
Speaker 1: two days this weeks only Tuesday. Jesus um. But I
Speaker 1: look at I look at Shane Bieber, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: because I looked at him more closely than I did
Speaker 1: Nick Pavett last year. Maybe it's because he had a
Speaker 1: better year than Nick Pavetta did last year, and there
Speaker 1: is more trust there, and I think it's warranted. Reminder,
Speaker 1: same people had a four point five five year last year.
Speaker 1: These guys are pretty similar, Like spot on, it felt
Speaker 1: like we're drafting Bieber because his underlying numbers were way better, awesome,
Speaker 1: like his ear, like his exfit was three point three.
Speaker 1: Another guy was better than another guy that you keep
Speaker 1: giving out in this range is EDWARDA. Rodriguez, who people
Speaker 1: have loved for a while now, and I've taken shots
Speaker 1: at WARDA. Rodriguez multiple times in the past. Gloria will
Speaker 1: never let you live down that last year at GST,
Speaker 1: when he wanted to draft him, you scoffed at it.
Speaker 1: How did you scoffed at Edward because I'm not let
Speaker 1: you live that down. The problem at Wardo Rodriguez is
Speaker 1: I felt, I just feel like he's never healthy. I
Speaker 1: feel like he's always one bad turn away from reinjuring
Speaker 1: that knee. I don't feel safe at all. Um that
Speaker 1: Reguez and again in a Rodo league it made more sense.
Speaker 1: And I screwed that up in gd D. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. But I scoffed. But I scoffed. I
Speaker 1: mean I wasn't. Really I'm not gonna let you sit
Speaker 1: here and take all in the head. That's fine, but
Speaker 1: I'll take that blame because I know I did it
Speaker 1: in the head to head format. It's like, I don
Speaker 1: know what these numbers safe for Last year they were awesome,
Speaker 1: But don't you feel like he's still kind of has
Speaker 1: to break out and there's some trepidation that he won't
Speaker 1: like and whatever is in this mixed with Beaver, in
Speaker 1: this mixed with Proveta, you're higher on him than than
Speaker 1: I am traditionally. Um, what do you think about him
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah? I mean this was another picture from
Speaker 1: last year that made a conscious change. I mean, he
Speaker 1: added a pitch he added a cutter. Last year, he
Speaker 1: threw it nineteen percent at a time, So just just
Speaker 1: to put this in perspective, he threw a four seam
Speaker 1: fastball twenty fifteen between fifty seven and sixty six percent
Speaker 1: of the time. Last year he cut that four seam
Speaker 1: usage down from sixty one percent with the fourth seamer,
Speaker 1: lowered that down to forty two percent. So lowered it
Speaker 1: by nineteen percent, basically took that nineteen percent and added
Speaker 1: a new pitch, a cutter, which was lights out right.
Speaker 1: And I mean, there's a lot to like with him again,
Speaker 1: but he's hitting the benchmarks that we want. Over eleven
Speaker 1: strike it last year, over first pitch strike per today,
Speaker 1: over oh swing and people to chase pitches. There's a
Speaker 1: lot to like. If he stays healthy. You legitimately has
Speaker 1: you know, top thirty, top twenty five starting pitcher up.
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Speaker 1: talking about Eduardo Rodriguez and what makes him been triguing
Speaker 1: this year? Look, he just he checks a lot of
Speaker 1: the boxes, right, I mean the k per nine over ten.
Speaker 1: The walks have always been an issue. But if he
Speaker 1: continues to up that first pitch strike percentage and get
Speaker 1: ahead of counts, I could see the walks coming back
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's really that's the next step for him, right,
Speaker 1: And it's not outrageous to expect someone to take that step.
Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler did it last year. I mean Zach Wheeler
Speaker 1: was always a guy that was over three walks per nine.
Speaker 1: He goes to two point seven walks per nine last year. Now,
Speaker 1: if Edward Rodriguez can get it down to that level
Speaker 1: and you know, just have that many less people on
Speaker 1: base via the walk and he's still getting as many
Speaker 1: strikes as he is, I think he could be a
Speaker 1: sub you know, three seven, sub three six e R
Speaker 1: eight kind of guy, and you know he's gonna get
Speaker 1: run support. Pitching with the Red Sox. He hasn't been
Speaker 1: able to stay healthy. I mean that's been a huge
Speaker 1: issue for ed Ward Rodriguez. He's had the knee issues
Speaker 1: that that Greg reference. He hasn't gotten more than a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven and a third endings pitch in
Speaker 1: any season yet at the major league level. But you're
Speaker 1: just you're not healthy until you're healthy, right, like the
Speaker 1: one year that you're healthy. If he goes on a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty sixty getting pitch Greg and he you know,
Speaker 1: does similar to what he did last year, lowers that
Speaker 1: e R a a little bit. He's easily a top
Speaker 1: thirty starting pitcher and he has the upside to be
Speaker 1: even better, you could be a top twenty guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the upside is absolutely there. You get to the
Speaker 1: advantatistics there, the underlying the numbers and much with Paveta
Speaker 1: and Biver like it's here now, he walks more. To
Speaker 1: be fair, the fan graphs projections have him between a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six and a hundred fifty one innings,
Speaker 1: so not great, no, but the one that might be realistic,
Speaker 1: like one forty maybe maximum fifty is probably a realistic projection.
Speaker 1: D Ward Rodriguez, he shows us otherwise he walks more,
Speaker 1: a lot more than the other guys, right, definitely more
Speaker 1: than Pavetta, definitely more than Beaver. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Bieber is a control artist, so that's kind of an issue, right,
Speaker 1: rod Rodriguez with the control he also strikes out more,
Speaker 1: not more than, not more than, but Bieber was he's
Speaker 1: below ten case he is, right, So he's think Patta
Speaker 1: is like around this range. Yeah, I just looked at
Speaker 1: it's an exact thing. Um, so I think that's why.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why it's close. Like I think
Speaker 1: that's why they're in the area together around Pitcher thirty
Speaker 1: Giver kikes to with the with the influx of this
Speaker 1: cutter that he introduced last year, he limited hard contact
Speaker 1: seven excellent, especially pitching in the A at least that's
Speaker 1: what you want. That's excellent. How does Edward with a
Speaker 1: Rodriguez compare to two of his teammates, Nate Evaldi and
Speaker 1: Rick Porcella. I have Porcello a little bit lower. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that wins a lot of games because he
Speaker 1: goes deep into games and obviously gets to run skill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a good whip pitcher. Two because he's controlling.
Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't walk a lot of guys, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna go deep into games. So you know, Porcello
Speaker 1: was a good guy. I'm gonna mention to to pair
Speaker 1: with some of the type of guy. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: gonna like help out your whip. He's gonna help get
Speaker 1: you wins, and he's gonna give you two any pitch
Speaker 1: and just based on that volume, he's gonna give you
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy strikeouts ish. So he's a good
Speaker 1: guy to pair with some of these starry pitchers who
Speaker 1: are only you know, you're only expecting a hundred sixty innings.
Speaker 1: You need to get these guys who are gonna give
Speaker 1: you anys. And I do think that Porcelo has a
Speaker 1: place in fantasy. He's not really a target of mine
Speaker 1: until maybe I take a few of these guys and
Speaker 1: then I realized, all right, I have to get some anys. Now,
Speaker 1: I think jose Can Tan is kind of in that
Speaker 1: mix two. So it's literally was gonna ask you who
Speaker 1: like Josecan Tan because I'm really buying into that, that
Speaker 1: that change that he made over his final twelve starts
Speaker 1: where his e r A was three point six and
Speaker 1: the strikeout rate was around I'm buying into that change
Speaker 1: from jose Katana for the Red Sox, you brought up
Speaker 1: Porcello and who was the other one? I like a
Speaker 1: Valdi a lot as well. I will say this just
Speaker 1: raw stuff. I think Edwardo Rodriguez is much better than Valdi.
Speaker 1: Uh And I have Edward Rovadrigez one spot higher than Valdi.
Speaker 1: I have Eduardo at thirty five. I have Nathan Valdi
Speaker 1: at thirty six. But I like Valdi as well, because
Speaker 1: you want to talk about someone who made a change. Look,
Speaker 1: for a long time, we've been beating the drum for
Speaker 1: Nathan Valdi, We've wanted this to happen. He's always been
Speaker 1: a thrower. He needed to learn how to pitch. The
Speaker 1: Red Sox kind of got that out of him last year.
Speaker 1: You know, he was the guy who added a new
Speaker 1: pitch as well. Right, he starts throwing this cutter. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems to be again this is an organizational thing
Speaker 1: with the Boston Red Sox. You see, you see a
Speaker 1: guy like EDWARDO Rodriguez at the cutter. Nathan Valdi did
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean he started throwing a cutter
Speaker 1: thirty two percent of the time last year. The last
Speaker 1: time we saw him pitch before this was seen where
Speaker 1: he started to work this in a little bit. Seven
Speaker 1: percent of the time he threw a cutter back in
Speaker 1: before that he never used it. Last year thirty two
Speaker 1: percent cutter. And it's a really good cutter. Greg, it's
Speaker 1: a cutter. So you're giving me a guy who throws
Speaker 1: with his four team fastball, which was always really straight,
Speaker 1: but now he throws so hard that when he throws
Speaker 1: the cutter, hitters don't have enough time to decide whether
Speaker 1: or not it's a four team or a cutter. And
Speaker 1: then you get that little late action that's throwing people off.
Speaker 1: So he made a conscious change. He added a pitch
Speaker 1: and he pitched much better. We all saw what he
Speaker 1: did in the postseason, especially against the Yankees and down
Speaker 1: the stretch against teams in the Al East. He was
Speaker 1: a good picture. He was a really good picture. We've
Speaker 1: been we've been trying to get this out of Valdi
Speaker 1: for a while now. He needed to learn how to pitch.
Speaker 1: He pitched to a three point eight one ear a
Speaker 1: last year and a hundred and eleven innings. So again
Speaker 1: another guy would I don't know what the ennis are
Speaker 1: gonna look like this here we get a hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1: I think that's a safe projection for a Valdi. But
Speaker 1: his ex fit was three point six seven last year. Again, Greg,
Speaker 1: this is another guy like I don't think he has
Speaker 1: the strikeout upside. He was right around eight case per nine.
Speaker 1: I think he could push nine case per nine this year,
Speaker 1: but the walks were under two walks per nine one point.
Speaker 1: He made huge, huge strides last year. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people are just gonna see of all these names,
Speaker 1: they're gonna think well of Aldi. We've always been sold
Speaker 1: on a Valdi and we're tired of it. We're not
Speaker 1: buying in. It's time to buy in on a Valdi.
Speaker 1: And I've been drafting him everywhere to this point and
Speaker 1: getting him as like my SP four, sometimes my SP five,
Speaker 1: because I am buying in on this hut cutter that
Speaker 1: he's added, and the fact that he has improved his
Speaker 1: command and that the underlying numbers mean even the real
Speaker 1: numbers weren't bad. Last year three point eight one e
Speaker 1: r A with a one point one three with in
Speaker 1: a hundred and eleven innings very good. Valdi was great
Speaker 1: last year, And a lot of what we heard ultimately
Speaker 1: actually was about that cutter that you just spoke so
Speaker 1: highly of. It was the fact that heat for years,
Speaker 1: as Frank mentioned, perfectly, just throw the ball too straight,
Speaker 1: like you could throw a hundred miles hour. We saw
Speaker 1: it here in New York. It was just right down
Speaker 1: the middle. And hitters who are professionals catch up to
Speaker 1: it that you can throw a hundred miles power, but
Speaker 1: if it's not moving anything. With Luis Caste, if you
Speaker 1: don't develop that third pitch, and you know it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's either slider or fastball, and you guess right, on
Speaker 1: the fastball. It doesn't matter how fast it is. These
Speaker 1: are major league professional hitters. So and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the arsenal here for Valdi, of the time he throws
Speaker 1: a four seam or that's ninety seven miles power. He
Speaker 1: also has a slider he throws twelve percent of the
Speaker 1: time eighty seven miles power. He has a thirty two
Speaker 1: percent of the time he's using a cutter which is
Speaker 1: ninety three miles power. And he has a split finger
Speaker 1: which he threw u thirteen percent of the time at
Speaker 1: eighty eight miles prowder. He has a legitimate four pitch
Speaker 1: arsenal of pitches that he throws at least twelve percent
Speaker 1: of the time, four different pitches. Of all the is
Speaker 1: learning how to pitch, which is what we've been better
Speaker 1: lay than ever for a long long time. I know
Speaker 1: it pains me to say, it's basically like the Red
Speaker 1: Sox edition of the show. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting starting pitches starting pitchers right now. So at where
Speaker 1: Rodriguez fell into this hype guy category of Nimick Pavetta
Speaker 1: and Shane Beaver, there was another one that was brought
Speaker 1: up the first show we or Frankston. I was on vacation.
Speaker 1: The first show that Frankie did with Matt Modica, he
Speaker 1: talks about a hype guy, and as a couple of
Speaker 1: years late, that was Joe Musgrove and Joe Musgrove. Here
Speaker 1: that Joe Musgrove of now the Pittsburgh Pirates is a
Speaker 1: hype guy this year, where do you have Joe Musgrove
Speaker 1: compared to some of the names that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: and what do you think about him? Yeah, he's right
Speaker 1: in this range. Right, So I have a foursome here
Speaker 1: of Eduardo Rodriguez, Nathan of Aaldi, Nick Pavetta, and Joe
Speaker 1: muscro from thirty four to thirty seven, and I just
Speaker 1: want to try and grab as many of these guys.
Speaker 1: Remember last year, Greg, something that I've been talking to
Speaker 1: you about I think off there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've done it much on the air yet, was last
Speaker 1: year we said outside the top thirty starting pitchers, you
Speaker 1: really just want to load up on as many of
Speaker 1: these arms as you could possibly get because they have
Speaker 1: a ton of upside. And the names that we were
Speaker 1: referencing this time last year were Blake Snell. That was
Speaker 1: mostly Michael Florio I was talking a lot, and we've
Speaker 1: mentioned this, Patrick Corbin a lot this time last year,
Speaker 1: Jamison Tyne a lot this time last year. Jack Flaherty
Speaker 1: came on late during the spring. I think Clevinger was
Speaker 1: even a guy that we were talking about a little
Speaker 1: bit outside the top forty. Those are like really the
Speaker 1: five guys that we were talking about a lot, and
Speaker 1: they made that inside the top twenty. So again like
Speaker 1: these are the skills that we're looking at from these
Speaker 1: starting pitchers are all legitimate. It's just can they give
Speaker 1: you endings this year? Can they take that next step?
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what we're hoping for, and that's
Speaker 1: why you try and grab as many of them as
Speaker 1: you possibly can. You know, I've mentioned the arsenal with
Speaker 1: Nathan Valdi where he can throw four different pitches. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm looking at here. With Joe Musgrove, greg
Speaker 1: I mean, his first year with the Pittsburgh Pirates getting
Speaker 1: to work with race series, we've seen stride from him.
Speaker 1: Last year. Um he threw five different pitches at least
Speaker 1: fourteen percent at the time. He had a four steamer
Speaker 1: thirty three percent of the time, a cutter fifteen percent,
Speaker 1: of the time, a sinker seventeen percent, change up fourteen
Speaker 1: percent at the time, and a slider, yes, three different
Speaker 1: iterations of a fastball. He had a swinging strike rate
Speaker 1: over eleven percent. That's what we've been talking about with
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, Right and so Edwardo Rodriguez
Speaker 1: has a swinging strike rate of eleven percent and he
Speaker 1: has a k per nine over ten Right, Greg, Last
Speaker 1: year Joe Musgrove had a swinging strike rate over eleven
Speaker 1: percent and a first pitched strike percentage six percent, So
Speaker 1: he's getting ahead of the count. We know Joe musgrob
Speaker 1: has good control. He's always had great control. He has
Speaker 1: a chase rate of around thirty six percent. These numbers
Speaker 1: are better than some of the guys that we've talked
Speaker 1: about to this point. Greg, Yet his caper nine was
Speaker 1: only seven point eight. So that's how to me, he's
Speaker 1: got to learn how to finish off batters. I think
Speaker 1: that's like a big thing for him. It's not these
Speaker 1: things aren't always just black and white. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you you have a high screening strike rate, so your
Speaker 1: kper nine should be better. Because there's a maturation process
Speaker 1: for starting pitchers. They need to learn how to finish
Speaker 1: batters off at the major league level, So it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily just black and white like, oh, you have a
Speaker 1: high screening strike rate, the strikeouts are gonna come. But technically,
Speaker 1: if you learn how to pitch at the major league
Speaker 1: level and sequence your pitches correctly, if you're getting the
Speaker 1: swinging strikes, the strikeouts are going to come. So I
Speaker 1: see this, you know, eleven point four swing strike rate
Speaker 1: for Joe Musgrove, and I'm thinking this caper nine is
Speaker 1: closer to nine this year. And he always has great control,
Speaker 1: and he pitches in a pretty good ballpark in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: tough division. He's gonna have to face some tough lineup
Speaker 1: for sure. The winds might be hard to come by
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. But you at one point one whip last year.
Speaker 1: If he gives you a hundred and fifty endings of
Speaker 1: a you know, his his ffit was three point five nine,
Speaker 1: his exit was three point nine. If he gives you
Speaker 1: a three point eight zero e r A with nearly
Speaker 1: nine case per nine, a hundred and fifty innings pitched
Speaker 1: with a one point to zero whip, he's a top
Speaker 1: thirty starting pitcher. Pitches. I think my guests for a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, I think Pttic could go more
Speaker 1: because he threw more innings than a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys last year. I think Provettic could be like one eighty.
Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of people like him. I
Speaker 1: think Ford, Water, Rodriguez, Valdi and must grow. Specifically, if
Speaker 1: you could get a hundred and fifty out of them,
Speaker 1: maybe must grow a hundred sixty. I think you feel
Speaker 1: really good about that. And he that's a fair projection, man,
Speaker 1: But you don't look at the fan grass projections. I
Speaker 1: have him between very high to make big Joe. He's
Speaker 1: a big guy. He's there. I think it's more than
Speaker 1: than last year. He's never come close to that in
Speaker 1: his major league He also he also pitched. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget this hold on great he had seventeen and two
Speaker 1: thirds and he pitched in the minors last year, so
Speaker 1: you add that on to his total. He was he
Speaker 1: was at one two, one thirty two. He can't jump
Speaker 1: up to one sixty theoretically, sure, he was at one
Speaker 1: thirty two last year. I think that's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: fair jump up to one sixty. And what are these
Speaker 1: guys right just because I have them ranked as top
Speaker 1: thirty five starting pitchers, that's not where they're going. I
Speaker 1: like these guys, and you don't have to draft him
Speaker 1: like right around where some of these others. But you
Speaker 1: don't have to draft him around where David Price is going.
Speaker 1: Everyone else is gonna jump on David Price. That's fine.
Speaker 1: You let those people jump on David Price. You get.
Speaker 1: You get your two starting pitchers inside your you know
Speaker 1: your top fifteen ranks starting pitchers, however you have it ranked.
Speaker 1: Did you grab another like a Chris Archer, you get
Speaker 1: your top thirty guy. That's what I've been doing. Either
Speaker 1: Archer to knock a lot of times against my third
Speaker 1: starting pitcher, and then just grab as many of these
Speaker 1: guys as you possibly can. It's exactly what we said
Speaker 1: last year and worked out. I think it's gonna work
Speaker 1: out again. Grab Valdi, Edward Rodriguez, Pavetta, Shane Bieber, Luis Castillo, Joe.
Speaker 1: Must grove as many of those guys as you possibly can.
Speaker 1: And then when you take two or three of those
Speaker 1: guys and you gotta round it out, you need some endings.
Speaker 1: And that's where we work. Back in, you work back
Speaker 1: in Rick Porcello, you work back in Jose Cantana because
Speaker 1: you needs some endings pitched. My Great Fantasy Baseball Invitational
Speaker 1: starting pitchers, I have Walker Bueller, and I have James Paxson.
Speaker 1: I have two of my top fifteen starting pitchers, and
Speaker 1: then I have Chris Archer as my three. I got
Speaker 1: him in a tenth round. I took Valdi as my four,
Speaker 1: and then, you know, ideally I would have wanted to
Speaker 1: get more of these hype guys. But I mean, in
Speaker 1: a draft like this, it's like an experts draft, fifteen teams,
Speaker 1: all these guys are gunning for the same starting pitchers.
Speaker 1: I ended up getting as my five, So I would
Speaker 1: have wanted more than just Valdi, but that's just the
Speaker 1: way it worked out. And I love my pitching staff.
Speaker 1: I like it a lot to have those guys. I
Speaker 1: have Rode don as my six. Do you like do
Speaker 1: you like cars redone this year? Think of Redonda's your six.
Speaker 1: I know it's a little bit later on that's what
Speaker 1: the guys are talking about, but always I've always been
Speaker 1: a Rodana. Everyone see the thing that the redone is
Speaker 1: everyone everyone is ty Man. You know, he was like
Speaker 1: the first round pig get it. You're tantalized by what
Speaker 1: he can do. Redone's never been able to stay healthy ever,
Speaker 1: He's always been so last year was super weird, right
Speaker 1: because he came back from like the big injury and
Speaker 1: the strikeoups just weren't there. But if you look at
Speaker 1: the sample size everything else he's done in his career,
Speaker 1: he was around a strike up for any kind of guy.
Speaker 1: So what do you think, will the real Carlos were
Speaker 1: on really please stand up? But I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like last year, like maybe he just doesn't have anymore, right,
Speaker 1: Maybe he's changed as a picture. Maybe he's changed in
Speaker 1: order to stay healthy. I kind of give him the
Speaker 1: benefits extra was over five. Last year. It was bad.
Speaker 1: He was bad, There's no doubt about it. I'm taking
Speaker 1: everything that he did before and kind of hoping that
Speaker 1: he builds off and gets back to that. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for. Maybe it's not fair for me to
Speaker 1: do I'm kind of throwing out last year because he
Speaker 1: came back from the injury. Maybe he was still kind
Speaker 1: of like pitching through some stuff. But we've seen the
Speaker 1: talent before with Rodan specifically, it's sixteen right over. A
Speaker 1: strikeout for any got the walks down to below three
Speaker 1: walks per nine the xpit at three point eight nine.
Speaker 1: I think we could get there with him, man, Like
Speaker 1: if we get a sub four ear eight of Carl
Speaker 1: Shordon and a strikeout for any like, that's where the
Speaker 1: upside lies. Like, I don't think he's ever gonna be
Speaker 1: a great whip picture because he walks a lot of guys. Look,
Speaker 1: last year he was bad. I can't really defend last year,
Speaker 1: Like the swinging strikes were down, it wasn't any people
Speaker 1: to chase as much. Last year was bad with Carl Shordon.
Speaker 1: I think he came back from the injury maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit too soon, maybe he was pitching through some stuff.
Speaker 1: But what I saw the three years before that with him,
Speaker 1: with the prospect pedigree that he has, I'm trusting that
Speaker 1: a little bit more than what I saw last year. Okay,
Speaker 1: I I don't want to. I don't want to. I'm
Speaker 1: always done bait. Not that he costs hell No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't even have him ranks anywhere
Speaker 1: close to this right, Like, we're gonna talk about a
Speaker 1: whole group of guys that you could get at the
Speaker 1: end of your draft that you should load up onto.
Speaker 1: And he's in that range for me like I have
Speaker 1: Carl Sordan, it's my seventy ninths are gonna just for likes.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few guys going in this range
Speaker 1: that I do want to be like. Alaska is in
Speaker 1: another one in the same range that he has walk issues.
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Speaker 1: n t s Y. All right, Frankie, Right? Can I
Speaker 1: sit out the first hour of the first segment of
Speaker 1: our two No? All right, I really want to watch
Speaker 1: Archer pa. I have to get some updates somewhere to
Speaker 1: watch spring training Chris Archer. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: Chris Archer shares and why you're asking to sit out
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Speaker 1: One segment you could sing for a whole segment if
Speaker 1: you want to sit out for the first hour here,
Speaker 1: not the first hour, the first segment. I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask to sit out a segment, not two weeks. Is
Speaker 1: it okay? Where March Madness is gonna be on? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be focused. Well, you can just watch it on
Speaker 1: your computer and just throw a bunch of stuff my way,
Speaker 1: oh to me like you're gonna do with Chris Archer,
Speaker 1: and about twenty minutes from now, maybe right see how
Speaker 1: much attention I'll be paying? I will, I got you
Speaker 1: or don't. I'm not worried. I believe me. I'm not worried.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Ventre's coming up. He's got like
Speaker 1: a throat thing going all right, getting blasted by snowstorms
Speaker 1: like twenty five degrees outside. I walked into and like, Chris,
Speaker 1: how you feeling? He kind of just like stared at
Speaker 1: me and like that he can't talk, So how's he
Speaker 1: gonna do? Radio? You know? Radio? That's fine? Um, we
Speaker 1: never red SOX already we have some requests and rightfully
Speaker 1: so talking about the Angels. Someone funny the chat, didn't
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Speaker 1: Potentially I will Tyler scags Andrew Heiny, you and you out.
Speaker 1: How do you rank them? So I have Andrew Heeney.
Speaker 1: I like Andrew Heeney, but he's dealing with something. He's
Speaker 1: dealing He's dealing with something, you know, for dropping everyone
Speaker 1: else down the draft board because because they're dealing with
Speaker 1: spring training injuries, it would be pretty hypocritical to not
Speaker 1: do the same with Andrew Heeny. So you do with
Speaker 1: an elbow. It's not just something, it's an elbow, so
Speaker 1: it's pretty legit. If he were healthy, I think he
Speaker 1: would be quite firmly right in the mix with all
Speaker 1: these other guys. I had to drop him down a
Speaker 1: little bit. I have him down at SP forty, so
Speaker 1: he's like three four spots behind these guys. But um,
Speaker 1: I still do like Andrewhiny. Like a lot of the
Speaker 1: names that we've mentioned today, he's had a hard time
Speaker 1: staying healthy. Last year he did he was healthy for
Speaker 1: ad and eighty innings pitch, you know, a strikeout per
Speaker 1: Enning kept the walks down. Um, he had a four
Speaker 1: point one five ear A, but his X fit was
Speaker 1: three point six eight, So he was much better than
Speaker 1: actually what he showed at one zero whip. I mean
Speaker 1: he was. He was fine. Like I remember, right owned Andrewhini.
Speaker 1: I picked him up in a lot of lease. I
Speaker 1: was drafting him with like a few of my last
Speaker 1: round picks last year around this time, uh mere twelve
Speaker 1: percent swinging strike er at sixty five first pitched strikes,
Speaker 1: so getting ahead of the counts, getting people to chase
Speaker 1: thirty three percent of the time. I mean, there's really
Speaker 1: not a lot not to like about Andrewhini. You know,
Speaker 1: I like him, But you gotta monitor him now through
Speaker 1: the spring and see what's going on with the with
Speaker 1: this elbow injury. He's gonna he's throwing a bullpen session
Speaker 1: today apparently we'll see how he comes comes out of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he has upsides similar to a
Speaker 1: lot of the names here in this tier. But health.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least these other guys that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: at least they're healthy right now. Andrewhini is not, so
Speaker 1: I think you gotta bump them down the board a
Speaker 1: little bit because of that. I didn't. I think that's reasonable,
Speaker 1: And I think the same people said for a Tyler's guys,
Speaker 1: who also has battle a lot of talent. Again, if
Speaker 1: you look at the age rotation, it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that have talent. They just loader up on
Speaker 1: a bunch of pictures who have talent and maybe like
Speaker 1: their bounceback candidates, like they have bags, they have Heeny,
Speaker 1: they have Trevor K. Hill, they have Matt Harvey. The
Speaker 1: Dark Night for Florio is excited about that out there
Speaker 1: on the West Coast. But you know, they just have
Speaker 1: a bunch of these guys who you don't know how
Speaker 1: many anis are gonna go, but when they do pitch,
Speaker 1: they should be pretty good. And again the same thing
Speaker 1: with Tyler Scaggs. I believe there was one game where
Speaker 1: he really got blown up where I think he gave up,
Speaker 1: like here we go against the Tampa Bay Race, he
Speaker 1: gave up ten earned runs and against Oakland seven earned runs.
Speaker 1: They were back to back starts where he just got
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed, absolutely shelled. Towards the end of the season,
Speaker 1: I think he came back from injury, like prematurely or
Speaker 1: something like that. Up until that point, he hadn't allowed
Speaker 1: He had only allowed over three runs two times all
Speaker 1: season up until January, so he was performing quite well.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna do this, Greig, I'll do
Speaker 1: his game log through January. I'll tell you what his
Speaker 1: ear a was, what his ear because he finished with
Speaker 1: the four point zero two ear a, but he just
Speaker 1: got absolutely destroyed on two of his starts. Right so
Speaker 1: through its first nineteen starts last year, this is Tyler
Speaker 1: Skaggs two point six to e r A three point
Speaker 1: four seven x five. So that's probably closer to what
Speaker 1: you should expect. But at seven sent groundball rate nine
Speaker 1: point four case per nine when the two point five
Speaker 1: walks per nine. That was through July twenty last year.
Speaker 1: And I think he got hurt and he came back
Speaker 1: in August and he got bombed. He got bombed. To
Speaker 1: put it honestly, in two starts back to back where
Speaker 1: you give up ten and runs and seven and runs.
Speaker 1: Up until that point, he was great Tyler Skaggs. It's
Speaker 1: never been a question about the talent. The talent is there,
Speaker 1: it's how how healthy, can he stay. He's just another
Speaker 1: one of these guys. But I am a little bit
Speaker 1: lower in my rankings because I mean he's like some
Speaker 1: of these other pictures at least like we've seen at
Speaker 1: least like go the endings before t there's Skags. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's never he's like the talent is there. So you
Speaker 1: just read some of the the game logs by a
Speaker 1: month and whatnot, he said, hed have Skaggs at Skaggs
Speaker 1: said he battled an injury, which is why he struggled,
Speaker 1: and he hit it from everybody and it was a
Speaker 1: week of weight lifting his first nineteen starts creep before
Speaker 1: he got hurt. Supposedly, Well, look like last year we
Speaker 1: went a hundred and twenty five innings. That was a
Speaker 1: career high. So I mean that's a lot of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about with the starting pitchers in this range,
Speaker 1: but I mean for him, it's even like more, it's
Speaker 1: even more promptent. Five innings pitched and he's pitched like
Speaker 1: he's only gone over a hundred and he's pitched twice.
Speaker 1: So he's a little bit lower down my board, but
Speaker 1: I do think that he has similar skills some of
Speaker 1: these guys that we're talking about, but even less durability.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have a rank a blower above Haney?
Speaker 1: I have Heeny higher? How much I have heeny at
Speaker 1: forty eight? Have Skags? I have he at forty Skags
Speaker 1: forty eight? In this mix is Cole Hamiles between them
Speaker 1: Cole Hamile's Jay hab Tyler Glass. Now you say Cockuchie
Speaker 1: rich Hill, and it's like like bum Garner and Faulty
Speaker 1: what do you do with those guys right now? And
Speaker 1: then I have Skeags and right behind him John Gray
Speaker 1: another guy. So we had actually all the same guys
Speaker 1: in the range. One more name that I have here?
Speaker 1: Uh as you Darvish as well? I actually have little
Speaker 1: High I have thirty third. I'm ahead of all these
Speaker 1: other guys. Just how come M like we're talking about
Speaker 1: these guys and the kind of upside that they've had
Speaker 1: to get to you Darvish's level. We know what you,
Speaker 1: Darvish is upside can be. I mean, you just don't
Speaker 1: like you. He's just like a huge mystery. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I haven't drafted him anywhere. I feel like I'd rather
Speaker 1: like where is he going? It's like he's going higher
Speaker 1: than these guys. Actually he's going right around Pavetta. He's
Speaker 1: going on Pavette six. Bieber is one Ford two. All right,
Speaker 1: I mean look like Edward Rodriguez is going a few
Speaker 1: picks later. Like that's just how I'm looking at it, right,
Speaker 1: Like why I take the chance on dar Wish when
Speaker 1: I could get I could get uh EDWARDO. Rodriguez. A
Speaker 1: few picks later, I get Evolve the A few picks later,
Speaker 1: I get must Grove way later, like Musgrove's going two
Speaker 1: oh four. Darvis is going you know, I like, I
Speaker 1: don't dislike Darvish because we know what he's upside. I
Speaker 1: mean he could be eleven gays per nine. Um, if
Speaker 1: he goes on ch he could be like a three
Speaker 1: five e r A. Like we know what you Darvis
Speaker 1: is town is. It's just last year he was dealing
Speaker 1: with all of these injuries. His first spring training start
Speaker 1: was I would say a disaster. Um. He had like
Speaker 1: four walks. He didn't give up a hit, but he
Speaker 1: like walked in a run. He struggled with command. His
Speaker 1: second star was much better. It was much better. So
Speaker 1: I have him a little bit higher than these guys.
Speaker 1: But if you just ask me, like value wise, who
Speaker 1: would rather like I'd rather just wait around or two
Speaker 1: or three or four when it comes to must grove
Speaker 1: and takes some of these other pitchres. What about another
Speaker 1: name that was in there, and I asked you about
Speaker 1: him yesterday he said he's actually climbing up a drab
Speaker 1: and that's you see Coucci of the Seattle marineris. And
Speaker 1: I've said this a lot on this show, and it's
Speaker 1: that these guys that come over from Japan, it takes
Speaker 1: the league a while to adjust to what they do.
Speaker 1: And traditionally, like the first time that he faces all
Speaker 1: these exactly the first time around on the league, he
Speaker 1: will just there's not enough. There's tape obviously from Japan,
Speaker 1: but like seeing in person is very very different. The
Speaker 1: scouting is very very different. And I've said it in
Speaker 1: the past with a guy like Kenta Maeda, and it's
Speaker 1: something about Massa Hero Tanaka as well. Both guys were
Speaker 1: amazing their first seasons and then the league catches up
Speaker 1: in a way right Like to me, I always want
Speaker 1: one of these guys because I think there is some
Speaker 1: mystery crowding them. Now with Kakuchi, the Mariners have already
Speaker 1: said we're going to be very careful and he's going
Speaker 1: to get extra days off. We're going to really spread
Speaker 1: out his starts. And it's not he's not going to
Speaker 1: be a guy that they will even come close to
Speaker 1: giving him two hundred innings, but specifically in a rotal
Speaker 1: league where theoretically you don't care about that. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about Kuchi. Now, he's not
Speaker 1: you Darbisch master Hero's Knaka where he's coming over and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, hey, this could be an ace. He's not
Speaker 1: that at all. He's more like a former mariners Ashi
Speaker 1: Wakuma in that three four type of starting pitcher range.
Speaker 1: But again, he could be a two or three okay,
Speaker 1: and that's what Hukuma was. Another guy, um Hiroki Kuroda
Speaker 1: was very successful throughout his major league career. I think
Speaker 1: Kuchi could be like an Iwakuma, like a Coroda, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of merit to drafting and
Speaker 1: where he's going around here. I agree. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna own shares right because he's going right
Speaker 1: around the range as a lot of these other guys,
Speaker 1: and I just rather have those guys. If I'm being
Speaker 1: on it. Like you know, I'd rather having water Rodriguez
Speaker 1: and Baldi, and I'd rather have Musgrove even in a vacuum.
Speaker 1: And he's going, you know, forty picks after Cacucchi right now.
Speaker 1: So I like Cacuchi. I think, you know, I agree
Speaker 1: with a lot of what you said, especially if you've
Speaker 1: seen this guy pitch at all in in spring training.
Speaker 1: I mean, he made Joey Votto look foolish, which is
Speaker 1: not something Joey Votto said it. He said he was
Speaker 1: throwing stuff. These are seen before. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you've seen there's a SloMo video the
Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners. The least of him this wind up. He
Speaker 1: hides the ball really well. He also has like a
Speaker 1: dutter in his delivery, which a lot of these pictures
Speaker 1: who come up from Japan absolutely and it destrows hitters
Speaker 1: off right. So I do think that he can, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, especially early on the season, his first season,
Speaker 1: I think you have some legitimate value here. It's just
Speaker 1: I like these other guys going in his range a
Speaker 1: little bit more. He doesn't have overpowering stuff. He's like fastball,
Speaker 1: but it's the deception and the delivery. He has some
Speaker 1: good breaking stuff as well. Uh. The FanGraph guys have
Speaker 1: him for close to a strike up or ending, So
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That's a pretty high praise. Their mariners
Speaker 1: have already come out and said, he's not gonna go
Speaker 1: you know, more than a hundred fifty hundred sixty n pitches.
Speaker 1: Yere basically what we're talking about with the rest of
Speaker 1: these guys too. So I think this is a fair
Speaker 1: range for him to be in. I just p for
Speaker 1: some of these other guys that are also going in
Speaker 1: this range slightly ahead of him, which are the guys
Speaker 1: that we've talked about. There are a couple of those
Speaker 1: guys going, and he's available. I think it's a good
Speaker 1: fallback option. There's one veteran that you just said that
Speaker 1: I think it's in this range that we haven't really
Speaker 1: talked about all the much, and that's Jay Hap of
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees, who maybe a better major league
Speaker 1: picture at this point, that a fantasy picture, but he,
Speaker 1: you know, for the Eanches should get a bunch of wins. Uh.
Speaker 1: You said half in this range, creets, what more of
Speaker 1: a solid type of guy? What do you like when
Speaker 1: you don't like the Jay hat. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: might fit more of like the Ennings Eater type of
Speaker 1: uh mold of a starting pitcher for fantasy. And you know, look,
Speaker 1: it's three of the past four years he's been a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two or more endings pitched. Last year
Speaker 1: it was very clearly an outlier, right, Like, the strikeouts
Speaker 1: went up to nine point seven eight strikeouts per nine,
Speaker 1: whereas in his career he's seven point nine eight. The
Speaker 1: past couple of years, you know, he's been around seven
Speaker 1: round eight. You know, I think if he goes a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy hundred seventy five endings, he's gonna come
Speaker 1: close to giving you a strikeout per ending. Like I
Speaker 1: think he'll give you like a hundred sixty hundred seventy
Speaker 1: U endings pitsched. I think, you know, the walks have
Speaker 1: been solid the past couple of years. He's been, you know,
Speaker 1: one point one three whip last year one point three
Speaker 1: one in seventeen, not great, but then one point one
Speaker 1: seven in ten. So at this range, it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to find guys that are really gonna help you
Speaker 1: to whip all that much. And if if you get
Speaker 1: you a sub one point two zero whip. Um. I
Speaker 1: think you'd be happy with that. I think last year
Speaker 1: was kind of an outlier season from him, but he's
Speaker 1: always been good at limiting hard contact. The same was
Speaker 1: true last year. He was around thirty point nine percent um.
Speaker 1: The swinging strike rate was up last year ten point four. UM.
Speaker 1: I just don't know that I buy into the renaissance
Speaker 1: all that much. Ah, but he's you know, look, he's
Speaker 1: been a He's been under a four ear even under
Speaker 1: a three point six five ear a four years in
Speaker 1: a row. And that's pitching in the A, at least
Speaker 1: with Toronto. So he's very familiar with these teams. Is
Speaker 1: he undervalued? Did you happ undervalued? He might be. I
Speaker 1: think this was looking at this now and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, a three point six five ear a are
Speaker 1: better for four years in a row. It's basically one.
Speaker 1: We want these other guys in this range to right.
Speaker 1: I understand he's older, and you know people you know
Speaker 1: one year earlier rather than one year late, but he
Speaker 1: didn't really show signs of falling off last year. In fact,
Speaker 1: he got better. I was thirty six years old, the
Speaker 1: strikeout got better. I don't know, that he got better.
Speaker 1: I mean the walk great went down. Um oh, he's
Speaker 1: not much apparently was the year before. Value He's gonna
Speaker 1: win a lot of games with the Yankees to seventeen
Speaker 1: games last year. I think this I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: like it's not a sexy pick, you know, certainly not man,
Speaker 1: you know what I think? Actually have ja high. What
Speaker 1: means where like I'm gonna put him over Cole Hamills
Speaker 1: put him over Andrew Heeney, definitely gonna put him. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put over Jose Kansana like you always move
Speaker 1: over Kazana because in Tanna over the final twelve starts,
Speaker 1: these numbers that could keep holding on too. He pitched
Speaker 1: with three for six percent strike out. Like that's what
Speaker 1: I want Jose Kantana to be for the entire season.
Speaker 1: Well that's what Jay had was last year. That's what
Speaker 1: he is every year. Why don't I just take the
Speaker 1: guy who has done it four years in a row
Speaker 1: and is gonna win a ton of games the Yankees.
Speaker 1: He's pitching a at least, he's very familiar with the division.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good against the Red Sox too, So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're worry about the Red Sox, but maybe you don't
Speaker 1: worry about it as much with a guy like Jay Hat.
Speaker 1: I just talked myself into that, move him up for
Speaker 1: spots I haven't at thirty eight. Now, okay, you think
Speaker 1: about that. Where do you have on the numbers next
Speaker 1: to it? But like what I mean, like you have them.
Speaker 1: I had up a lot of these names, so I
Speaker 1: had him behind all the names that we've talked about,
Speaker 1: every one of them. You're more inclined to move them
Speaker 1: up now I am. Now I put him more in
Speaker 1: the Kyle Hedrids, Madison bum Garner, you Darvish, who's the
Speaker 1: town out here? And put they're all kind of seems
Speaker 1: like I'll put them all next to each other. So
Speaker 1: I like him. We figured these things out on the air.
Speaker 1: That's what this sport. There's one more veteran who is
Speaker 1: right the way below these guys I wanted to bring.
Speaker 1: I don't think you like him at all. But Jake Arietta.
Speaker 1: Does he belong in this crew? Interesting? Interesting what we
Speaker 1: saw of him in spring the other day. Very interesting.
Speaker 1: Wet'll talk about that, all right, We'll talk about Jake
Speaker 1: Arietta and we'll go even deeper on the other side,
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