WEBVTT - Golf and Music with Drew Holcomb 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:00.720 I miss the green. 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:02.520 For example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.920 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.320 And when I find my ball. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.960 In a fried Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.760 Friday fridagg Friday Bride. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.080 Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.160 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Golf Podcast. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.440 I am your host, Andy Johnson, and today I am 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.400 joined by a singer songwriter, Drew Holcombe. He is Drew 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.080 Holcomb of Drew Holcomb and the Neighbors. They have an 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.440 Americana band, a very popular band, and I think he 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:59.400 was in the macys Uh Thanksgiving Parade. So Drew, before that, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.960 join me to talk about golf. He is he's like 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.880 as much of a golf nut as you could possibly imagine, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.120 very into golf courses and traveling the world. So we 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.160 talk about his career in music, his what got him 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.319 into golf. I think it's always fun talking about these 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.880 people that do other creative aspects of life for a 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.280 living and then also play golf and what draws them 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.080 to golf. So it was great chatting with Drew, and 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.200 I hope you guys enjoy this podcast and everybody had 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.399 a safe and fun Thanksgiving. So without further ado, here 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:42.560 is Drew Holcot. Drew, I got to ask you. I mean, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.280 you're one of the rare people that spends more time 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.080 on the road than myself, you know, your touring machine, 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:55.000 especially this year, And what's the most memorable golf music 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.120 day that you've had in your life or a few 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.920 of the most memorable, like where you had a combination 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.480 of golf and music. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.680 But yeah, well, I mean, obviously on the road, I 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.160 play all the time, so there's so many, there's so 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:08.760 many good ones. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.320 At this point. I've made a lot of friends around 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:10.760 the country. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.120 So whenever I get to play somewhere and you know, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.160 have a match and beat a friend anywhere on the road, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.480 it sort of like starts to starts the day with 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:24.760 the wind, you know. This last fall I got to play. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:26.760 I get to play a lot of really cool places, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.920 but I've never played Minnicotta up in Minneapolis, and I 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:32.880 went out there and had the best round of my year. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.720 And what was that? That was fine, It was a 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.079 great golf course, great day. But I got the headline 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.519 first avenue that night, which is probably a top five 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.520 most famous rock club in the country. Prince made it 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.520 famous and so that was a pretty banner day. You know, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.680 go out shoot the round of the year, then get 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.440 on stage and you know, sold out room and have 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.520 a good old have a good old night. So but 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.120 my favorite day I've ever had was as a fan. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.400 When I turned thirty five, I took a bunch of buddies. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.400 We went out to see Tom Petty at Red Rocks. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.000 But the the golfing crew, which was about half of 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.840 the of the of the crew. We went a day 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.880 early into an overnight at Ballet Neil, so you know, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.480 had had a big night ballt Neil and the Pudding Green, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:18.080 played eighteen holes. All that spent the night, got out, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.720 played eighteen had a good match, drove a couple hours, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.280 went to a brewery and then went to you know, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.200 saw Tom Petty at Red Rock. And this was about 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.160 six months before he died. So I don't think, you know, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.000 I don't think I'll ever beat that as far as 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.560 as a fan, you know, I've had some pretty pretty 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.520 great experiences playing golf and then playing shows at night. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:39.800 Though, mean it's kind of thee. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.320 The secret that everybody knows is that all of us 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.440 musicians love to play golf, uh, you know, so we 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.600 get to play a lot of great spots and meet 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.680 a lot of great people. And I it's definitely one 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.680 of the things I had no idea. I mean, I 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.640 wasn't even a golfer when I started playing music, so 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:57.960 it's all been a big surprise to me. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.160 I got to ask, you know, you put your you're 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:05.080 into golf architecture, You're super into golf courses. Do you 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.000 you brought up too like historic venues? Is the feeling 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.400 of before a show similar to like the feeling before 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.960 you go play a great golf course when you play 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.039 at one of those venues, Like do you do you 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:17.640 get up? 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:17.800 Like? 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.640 What what's it like when you're playing music at a 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.640 historical venue? And is it at all similar to the 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.919 to the feeling golfers get when they get to go 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:28.039 those places? 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:28.520 Oh? 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.560 Yeah, for sure, I think that it's a lot of 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.720 It's like what I would call just the ghosts. You know, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:38.800 you're when you're when you're playing a Ryman or Red 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.839 Rocks or Troubadour or I mean, honestly, every town in 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.000 America has these rooms. Like I was just talking to 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.440 my manager about the Spring tour, and we're getting to 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.480 play some really historic spots. We're playing the Fillmore in 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.039 San Francisco, We're playing the nine thirty Club in DC, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.640 the Bowery in New York. You know, two nights of 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.760 the Rhymen and and so on and so forth, and 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.040 those nights kind of get circled on the on the 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.960 calendar more than just any other show. And so it's 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.560 probably how like it's probably how pro golfers feel when 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.320 they're going to get to play pebble, or when they're 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.960 going to get to play Augusta or you know, how 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.400 these amateurs are getting it, you know, when an event 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.480 is that seminole or college player, Like I'm a big 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.240 I went to University Tennessee and they just got to 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.920 play a college invitational. I'm on their email list and 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.560 all that and at Cyprus and I'm imagining all those kids. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.720 It's not just another day. It's you know, it's a 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.760 it's a magical spot. And I feel that same way 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.440 as a golfer. I think the difference is for me, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.480 I actually get a little more nervous playing a great 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.080 golf course because I don't know if I'm going to 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.120 do very well, whereas at this point in my career 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.640 with my band, I mean every show is going to 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.920 be an eight from like a professionalism standpoint. You know, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.000 I'm not going to get up there and I'm not 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.880 gonna I don't get the shanks on stage. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.640 You know, has anybody ever gotten like the figure of 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.359 golf shanks and music? Like what would that be? What 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.080 would that even be? 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.720 Well, for sure there's a couple of them. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.279 One when you're in let's say Little Rock and you say, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.680 how you doing Fayetteville, Which that's happened to me. Not 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.279 to be fair, I had a three month old on 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.240 the road with me and I'd slept like two hours 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.480 the night before of three kids, so you know they've 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.840 they've seen a lot of that as well. And then 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.119 forgetting words, which I do all the time. I forget 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.719 lyrics often. And then when you when your body gets 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.799 tired and you can't hit notes, I mean that's pretty 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.920 That's like when you when you see people cancel shows. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.680 That's like the music version of the w D. You know, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.520 it's like I need to go home. I can't sing. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.200 So definitely happens. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.400 See your reference. You you weren't a golfer before you 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:55.440 got into music. What got you into golf really was music. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.080 I kept getting invited to play all these great spots, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.680 and and I had golf clubs. I had a pair 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.440 of a set of ping I two's. I mean, my 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.720 lowest wedge was a pitching wedge, you know. And a 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.160 couple of things happened one year, probably fifteen years ago. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.040 In the same year, I got invited to play Oakland 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:21.400 Hills in Detroit, and I was in my pocket on 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:26.080 twelve holes, just making a fool of myself, and then 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.000 I just thought, man, I can't. I've got to learn 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.480 how to play this game if I'm going to keep 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.440 getting invited to these great spots. And then secondly, I 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.560 got invited to play in a celebrity pro am and 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:40.160 I was paired with It was a celebrity pro prorams. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:41.600 I was with Harris English. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.360 I just met him and he's looking at my clubs 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:45.920 and he's like, you had a decent swing, Like what 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:46.960 are we doing here? 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.320 You know? And I had this I had this lie. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:49.960 I never forget. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.320 I had a lie that was I had hit over 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.920 a bunker to a tight pin and all I have 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.720 was a pitching wedge and he's like, so let me 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.400 explain to you, like this is impossible. You can't do 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.000 this anymore. And so those were a couple of things. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.280 That was probably I don't know two thousand and I 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.040 don't know nine or ten eight or something like that. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.360 And then the other thing was I have two really 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.320 close friends here in Nashville that are really good players. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.120 One kind of is around a plus two and the 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.480 other's probably a two or three. And I just got 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.200 tired of embarrassing myself, and so I just decided to 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:30.679 get better. And the road is a perfect job for 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.960 golf because I'm not asking my wife to go play 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.040 while I'm home. I'm already out here, I'm already gone, 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.000 so I might as well play golf. And I don't 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:41.600 have sound check till four o'clock. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.120 So yeah, you work at night, so it's like. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.559 At work at night. So it's a perfect job for 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.320 somebody wants to get into the game. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.880 I was going to ask, what's your split on like 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.240 golf on the road versus home? Percentage wise? How much 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.760 more golf do you play on the road than at home. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:02.720 It's probably on an average year, probably sixty five thirty 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:08.080 five road versus home. So it's it's pretty it's significant. Yeah, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.000 that's you know, because I'm hung a lot. I'm hung 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.160 a lot more than I am on the road. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:12.400 Uh. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.400 But and the interesting thing to me too, that's been 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:22.079 fun is golfers love music, right, so I get invited. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:23.680 Let's say I get invited to go play somewhere in 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.120 Dallas and have a good time. And you know, I 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.440 always say I get invited the first time because of music. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.960 I get invited back because I play fast, you know. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.080 So I'm like a very fast player, even when I 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.800 was bad. I mean I was. I was a fifteen 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.240 handicap a decade ago when I got you know, and 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.440 now you know, a much better player. But uh, I 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.360 get invited and just keep up and not be slow. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.760 But then these guys would say, oh, well, I got 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.800 a friend in Oklahoma City. I saw you're playing there tomorrow. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.080 Do you want to play golf there? Sure? You know, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.120 And it just kind of steamrolled, and now I know 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.520 golfers pretty much every town we play in. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.319 I bet, I bet That's the thing. It's probably almost 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.280 a challenge because you sometimes want to go see new places, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.240 but you've got these friends that you go every time 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.640 and they come to the show and it's like, you know, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.000 it's an amazing probably just you know, it makes for 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.360 great days and it's always easier to play with people 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.760 that you know, right, you go back to. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.559 Totally, well, I think if you can, if you have 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.360 the option of playing with a good friend. For instance, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.440 let's say I've got a great friend who hosts me 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.040 every time I go to Chicago out at out at 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.120 you know Chicago golf, which you know is for for 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.360 most folks and myself included, before I knew him, was 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.560 an ungettable you know. And so I start playing with him, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.720 and now we actually have fun and we have a 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.520 good match and we're talking trash the whole time. And 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.600 so when somebody, some strangers, like, hey, do you want 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.280 to play this other great course in town? 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.320 Like, I mean, I. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.080 Think I'd rather just go play with my buddy. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.920 You know, it's the hard the hard thing. You got 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.640 to have longer trips or something, but or do most 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.280 You got to get to the point where you're like 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.400 Taylor Swift, playing like three shows every time you're in 0:10:59.400 --> 0:10:59.760 a city. 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.680 Right, Yes, I need to get into the residency model 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.679 so I can try out all the other golf courses. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.920 How did you get better at golf? Because I played 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.840 with you, you're a good player. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:10.480 I got better. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.040 I mean at first it was just a lot of 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.680 reps and then watching good players play. And then I 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.120 got to be like about a ten or eleven. And 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.080 I joined a club here in town, and you know, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.839 I was breaking ninety every once in a while and 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.800 had you know, streaky moments, and so I go, I 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.400 decided to get my first lesson. And so the guy's 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.400 taking some videos of the iPad and he says, okay, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.560 so what's what's the goal? 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:36.920 What do you what do you want here? 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.000 You know, it's probably twelve at the time, And I said, man, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.520 I'd like to be like a single digit player. And 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.440 he goes, okay, but like you want to be a 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.800 nine or you want to be a two? And I 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.400 was like, I mean, I'd love to be able to 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.160 get down to a two or three, you know, And 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.040 he goes, okay, if you want to be a nine, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.120 I got a handful of things we can start working on. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.400 He goes, if you want to be a two, we 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:56.280 got to start over. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:57.680 So did you start over? 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:59.240 So I started over. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:04.000 I had one of those big you know, inside out cuts, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.440 just you know, just a big old cut swing, and 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.960 he made me completely get rid of that and go 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.960 to more of an outside end draw swing. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.400 And then the other thing that it really helped. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.199 I've played a lot of golf with two PGA Tour 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.480 guys in particular, Scott Stallings and Kevin Kissner, and both 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.120 of them have been very generous to basically turn every 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.880 time we play into kind of a teaching round and 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:31.640 just little things like game management, decision making, sand shots. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.640 I've gotten really good with the sixty degree and short 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.200 game and hitting, you know, getting I'm not just just 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.560 always tweaking, and also don't take it super seriously. So 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:42.959 I think I'm willing to try a lot of new 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.880 things out on the golf course because you know, I 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:47.920 play enough to where it's okay if you go out 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.520 there and make a fool of yourself every now and then. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.760 So I feel like what you said that the stuff. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.760 You know, a lot of times people look to PGA 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.840 Tour players for like technique stuff, but like what you 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.960 said about just game game management, that's what they're the 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.320 best in the world at, is just getting a ball 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.800 around a golf course like it's amazing to watch a 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.000 guy effectively slap it around and it's like, oh, he 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.800 shot sixty seven today and he didn't play great. What's 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.080 the right? What is there a piece of game management 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.000 advice that is stuck with you from either of them? 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:26.800 Yeah? I think. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.200 I mean I used to be a pin hunter, you know. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.040 And Scott's the best because he's really sarcastic. I mean, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.360 so his kids are. They're both like big trash talkers. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.920 But Scott will wait till I make a mistake and 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.720 then he'll say, all right, all right, all right, so 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.080 tell me about that decision, you know. And I'm like, well, 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.680 I thought I could, you know, I thought I could 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.400 cover the right side draw it into that type pin. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.160 And he's like, yes, see, you don't have that shot. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.679 I mean, you have it, but it's like one out 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.520 of ten times. He's like, why didn't you just hit 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.679 a little cut to the left on the left side 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.440 of the big side of the green and then and 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.319 then you'd be putting for Birdie right now. Instead, you 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.760 short sided yourself and you're really gonna be working hard 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:13.120 for this bogie, you know. So I just love the 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.240 the Scott's way of teaching me. It was just like 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.280 make let's let you make a mistake, and then just 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.320 kind of always reminded me that I'm not a professional. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:23.160 You know. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.880 It's that's that's that's one. My favorite thing with Kissner 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.960 was when covid started. Uh, we were both bored when 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.440 the tour was still not doing anything early early on 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.480 and I'm a part of the swetens Cove ownership group 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.840 and a very very very small piece, but still a 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.000 part of it, and so he had not played it, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.200 and I said, why don't we do like a little 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.960 Instagram live match. And at that point we'd probably played 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.560 golf together maybe a half dozen times, and it was 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.640 always funkrt like you know, casual cart and beer golf, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.480 which is like his specialty when he's not on tour. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.680 So he pulls up to the to the parking lot 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.040 and our wives are going to film him. His wife 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.360 on his Instagram, my wife on mine, and it's nine 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.000 home match. I'm getting five shots, which I should have 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:11.800 gotten six or seven. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.480 I feel like you should have gotten like eight. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.960 Yeah, well based on how he played. So he shows 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.160 up and he's in full tour regalia, he's got his 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.520 sponsor stuff, on everything, and I'm you know, I'm like, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.400 hey man, what's uh, what's up with the like all 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.960 the gear, you know, all the all the logos today 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.480 And he's like, hey man, showtown today. And he had 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.600 like a different countenance that every the time we played, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.280 and he goes eagle Birdie, Birdie Bertie, and I'm four down. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.440 I was just like this is all on the internet. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:48.280 Just like, okay, well this was not the friendly fundraising 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.720 round that I thought we were going to have. So 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.760 that was a public a public evisceration that I'll never forget. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.200 What a good sponsor man, what a good guy for 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.960 the sponsors. He's wearing his full gear even on an 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.440 off Yeah, now he knew get it. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.520 Well, it wasn't off day, but we were. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.680 It was a fundraiser for COVID relief for like unemployed folks, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.760 and so his sponsors had all been sort of preemptively generous, 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.440 you know. So it was a it was a it 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:16.840 was a thoughtful flex. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.640 How did you get into the Sweeten's cove the that 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.760 like what was the decision making and like how did 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:24.800 that just come about? 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:25.840 Well? 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.560 I was a pretty early adopter because it's not that 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.360 far from Nashville, and I remember the very early even 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.200 before it was finished, there was like a PDF floating around, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.680 you know, Nashville, the sort of Nashville golf scene. It's like, hey, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.280 there's some guys building a nine holer, you know, like 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.520 redoing this course. We should go check it out. It's 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.360 you know, maybe we should. You know, there was like 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.520 a membership thing at the time. There was at first 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.280 it was maybe it was going to be private. Who 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.320 knew what it was going to be. So I went 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.680 down This is back when you could rent the property 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.040 out for like twelve hundred dollars a day, and there 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.120 was literally just a you know, you went in the 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:06.600 early days, there's just one single porta potty. And so 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.399 I went down there and it was a fundraiser for 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.800 something and a bunch of guys rented out and I 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.879 just fell in love with the golf course and started 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.800 going down there, I don't know, maybe quarterly or two 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:17.920 or three times every year. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.240 And then found out. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.280 That and in parallel track to that, I had gotten 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.159 to know Andy Roddick through through golf as well. We 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.480 have a mutual friend that had introduced us and we 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.240 actually played for the first time at Sweeten's and then 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.359 this was like three months after you know, a Hoopie 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.439 had opened, and then the same group went down there 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.919 and Rob Collins went with us to play a hoopie 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.520 and obviously fell in love with it. But that at 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.280 that at that Hangy Andy and a bunch of other 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.280 guys had just bought Sweeten's Cove with Peyton Manning, and 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.560 you know, everybody knows the story. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.520 It's all it's all over all over the internet. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.680 And they still had a couple of like investors slots 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.720 and they said, you know, we're looking for somebody that 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:08.760 loves bourbon is from Tennessee, is a musician and loves golf. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:10.240 It's like they were targeting you. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.560 I was like, well, like, I think there's only maybe 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.399 maybe one of those, and that's me, So so I 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.040 kind of jumped at the opportunity to get involved. And 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.840 it's been really neat to see. I mean, obviously, you know, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.639 the National Press yourself included, really put the story on 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.800 the map. But with some you know, sort of better 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:37.800 funding and more sort of thoughtful management, the property is 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:39.480 really just doing it awesome. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.000 And we get people from all. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.200 Over the world, really all over the world that come 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.440 to have as it's now one of those you know, 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.920 it's some one of those pilgrimages that people can take, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.679 and it's one of the pilgrimages that hasn't been you know, 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.240 hasn't been milked for every penny that you know, the 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.960 pebbles and sawgrasses of the world have become. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:04.320 So yeah, I mean it's I think it's an amazing testament. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.920 I think rightfully so to a certain degree, the Internet, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.240 social media and everything is right now, you know, people 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.040 are like, is this really good for the society? Right, 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.040 and a lot of different industries have changed. But in 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:25.320 terms of independent golf course ownership, the idea of a 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.960 nine hole golf course in the middle of nowhere becoming 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:34.639 a literal tourist destination across the world. People coming like, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.879 I mean people I talk to people that are like, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.000 you know, from England. I went to c Sweeten's Cove, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.680