Speaker 1: I miss the green.
Speaker 2: For example, I'm already upset.
Speaker 3: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my ball.
Speaker 3: In a fried Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg
Speaker 3: Friday fridagg Friday Bride.
Speaker 2: Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Golf Podcast.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Andy Johnson, and today I am
Speaker 2: joined by a singer songwriter, Drew Holcombe. He is Drew
Speaker 2: Holcomb of Drew Holcomb and the Neighbors. They have an
Speaker 2: Americana band, a very popular band, and I think he
Speaker 2: was in the macys Uh Thanksgiving Parade. So Drew, before that,
Speaker 2: join me to talk about golf. He is he's like
Speaker 2: as much of a golf nut as you could possibly imagine,
Speaker 2: very into golf courses and traveling the world. So we
Speaker 2: talk about his career in music, his what got him
Speaker 2: into golf. I think it's always fun talking about these
Speaker 2: people that do other creative aspects of life for a
Speaker 2: living and then also play golf and what draws them
Speaker 2: to golf. So it was great chatting with Drew, and
Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoy this podcast and everybody had
Speaker 2: a safe and fun Thanksgiving. So without further ado, here
Speaker 2: is Drew Holcot. Drew, I got to ask you. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're one of the rare people that spends more time
Speaker 2: on the road than myself, you know, your touring machine,
Speaker 2: especially this year, And what's the most memorable golf music
Speaker 2: day that you've had in your life or a few
Speaker 2: of the most memorable, like where you had a combination
Speaker 2: of golf and music.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, I mean, obviously on the road, I
Speaker 3: play all the time, so there's so many, there's so
Speaker 3: many good ones.
Speaker 1: At this point. I've made a lot of friends around
Speaker 1: the country.
Speaker 3: So whenever I get to play somewhere and you know,
Speaker 3: have a match and beat a friend anywhere on the road,
Speaker 3: it sort of like starts to starts the day with
Speaker 3: the wind, you know. This last fall I got to play.
Speaker 3: I get to play a lot of really cool places,
Speaker 3: but I've never played Minnicotta up in Minneapolis, and I
Speaker 3: went out there and had the best round of my year.
Speaker 3: And what was that? That was fine, It was a
Speaker 3: great golf course, great day. But I got the headline
Speaker 3: first avenue that night, which is probably a top five
Speaker 3: most famous rock club in the country. Prince made it
Speaker 3: famous and so that was a pretty banner day. You know,
Speaker 3: go out shoot the round of the year, then get
Speaker 3: on stage and you know, sold out room and have
Speaker 3: a good old have a good old night. So but
Speaker 3: my favorite day I've ever had was as a fan.
Speaker 3: When I turned thirty five, I took a bunch of buddies.
Speaker 3: We went out to see Tom Petty at Red Rocks.
Speaker 3: But the the golfing crew, which was about half of
Speaker 3: the of the of the crew. We went a day
Speaker 3: early into an overnight at Ballet Neil, so you know,
Speaker 3: had had a big night ballt Neil and the Pudding Green,
Speaker 3: played eighteen holes. All that spent the night, got out,
Speaker 3: played eighteen had a good match, drove a couple hours,
Speaker 3: went to a brewery and then went to you know,
Speaker 3: saw Tom Petty at Red Rock. And this was about
Speaker 3: six months before he died. So I don't think, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think I'll ever beat that as far as
Speaker 3: as a fan, you know, I've had some pretty pretty
Speaker 3: great experiences playing golf and then playing shows at night.
Speaker 1: Though, mean it's kind of thee.
Speaker 3: The secret that everybody knows is that all of us
Speaker 3: musicians love to play golf, uh, you know, so we
Speaker 3: get to play a lot of great spots and meet
Speaker 3: a lot of great people. And I it's definitely one
Speaker 3: of the things I had no idea. I mean, I
Speaker 3: wasn't even a golfer when I started playing music, so
Speaker 3: it's all been a big surprise to me.
Speaker 2: I got to ask, you know, you put your you're
Speaker 2: into golf architecture, You're super into golf courses. Do you
Speaker 2: you brought up too like historic venues? Is the feeling
Speaker 2: of before a show similar to like the feeling before
Speaker 2: you go play a great golf course when you play
Speaker 2: at one of those venues, Like do you do you
Speaker 2: get up?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What what's it like when you're playing music at a
Speaker 2: historical venue? And is it at all similar to the
Speaker 2: to the feeling golfers get when they get to go
Speaker 2: those places?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I think that it's a lot of
Speaker 3: It's like what I would call just the ghosts. You know,
Speaker 3: you're when you're when you're playing a Ryman or Red
Speaker 3: Rocks or Troubadour or I mean, honestly, every town in
Speaker 3: America has these rooms. Like I was just talking to
Speaker 3: my manager about the Spring tour, and we're getting to
Speaker 3: play some really historic spots. We're playing the Fillmore in
Speaker 3: San Francisco, We're playing the nine thirty Club in DC,
Speaker 3: the Bowery in New York. You know, two nights of
Speaker 3: the Rhymen and and so on and so forth, and
Speaker 3: those nights kind of get circled on the on the
Speaker 3: calendar more than just any other show. And so it's
Speaker 3: probably how like it's probably how pro golfers feel when
Speaker 3: they're going to get to play pebble, or when they're
Speaker 3: going to get to play Augusta or you know, how
Speaker 3: these amateurs are getting it, you know, when an event
Speaker 3: is that seminole or college player, Like I'm a big
Speaker 3: I went to University Tennessee and they just got to
Speaker 3: play a college invitational. I'm on their email list and
Speaker 3: all that and at Cyprus and I'm imagining all those kids.
Speaker 3: It's not just another day. It's you know, it's a
Speaker 3: it's a magical spot. And I feel that same way
Speaker 3: as a golfer. I think the difference is for me,
Speaker 3: I actually get a little more nervous playing a great
Speaker 3: golf course because I don't know if I'm going to
Speaker 3: do very well, whereas at this point in my career
Speaker 3: with my band, I mean every show is going to
Speaker 3: be an eight from like a professionalism standpoint. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get up there and I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna I don't get the shanks on stage.
Speaker 2: You know, has anybody ever gotten like the figure of
Speaker 2: golf shanks and music? Like what would that be? What
Speaker 2: would that even be?
Speaker 1: Well, for sure there's a couple of them.
Speaker 3: One when you're in let's say Little Rock and you say,
Speaker 3: how you doing Fayetteville, Which that's happened to me. Not
Speaker 3: to be fair, I had a three month old on
Speaker 3: the road with me and I'd slept like two hours
Speaker 3: the night before of three kids, so you know they've
Speaker 3: they've seen a lot of that as well. And then
Speaker 3: forgetting words, which I do all the time. I forget
Speaker 3: lyrics often. And then when you when your body gets
Speaker 3: tired and you can't hit notes, I mean that's pretty
Speaker 3: That's like when you when you see people cancel shows.
Speaker 3: That's like the music version of the w D. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like I need to go home. I can't sing.
Speaker 3: So definitely happens.
Speaker 2: See your reference. You you weren't a golfer before you
Speaker 2: got into music. What got you into golf really was music.
Speaker 3: I kept getting invited to play all these great spots,
Speaker 3: and and I had golf clubs. I had a pair
Speaker 3: of a set of ping I two's. I mean, my
Speaker 3: lowest wedge was a pitching wedge, you know. And a
Speaker 3: couple of things happened one year, probably fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: In the same year, I got invited to play Oakland
Speaker 3: Hills in Detroit, and I was in my pocket on
Speaker 3: twelve holes, just making a fool of myself, and then
Speaker 3: I just thought, man, I can't. I've got to learn
Speaker 3: how to play this game if I'm going to keep
Speaker 3: getting invited to these great spots. And then secondly, I
Speaker 3: got invited to play in a celebrity pro am and
Speaker 3: I was paired with It was a celebrity pro prorams.
Speaker 1: I was with Harris English.
Speaker 3: I just met him and he's looking at my clubs
Speaker 3: and he's like, you had a decent swing, Like what
Speaker 3: are we doing here?
Speaker 1: You know? And I had this I had this lie.
Speaker 1: I never forget.
Speaker 3: I had a lie that was I had hit over
Speaker 3: a bunker to a tight pin and all I have
Speaker 3: was a pitching wedge and he's like, so let me
Speaker 3: explain to you, like this is impossible. You can't do
Speaker 3: this anymore. And so those were a couple of things.
Speaker 3: That was probably I don't know two thousand and I
Speaker 3: don't know nine or ten eight or something like that.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing was I have two really
Speaker 3: close friends here in Nashville that are really good players.
Speaker 3: One kind of is around a plus two and the
Speaker 3: other's probably a two or three. And I just got
Speaker 3: tired of embarrassing myself, and so I just decided to
Speaker 3: get better. And the road is a perfect job for
Speaker 3: golf because I'm not asking my wife to go play
Speaker 3: while I'm home. I'm already out here, I'm already gone,
Speaker 3: so I might as well play golf. And I don't
Speaker 3: have sound check till four o'clock.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you work at night, so it's like.
Speaker 1: At work at night. So it's a perfect job for
Speaker 1: somebody wants to get into the game.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, what's your split on like
Speaker 2: golf on the road versus home? Percentage wise? How much
Speaker 2: more golf do you play on the road than at home.
Speaker 3: It's probably on an average year, probably sixty five thirty
Speaker 3: five road versus home. So it's it's pretty it's significant. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's you know, because I'm hung a lot. I'm hung
Speaker 3: a lot more than I am on the road.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But and the interesting thing to me too, that's been
Speaker 3: fun is golfers love music, right, so I get invited.
Speaker 3: Let's say I get invited to go play somewhere in
Speaker 3: Dallas and have a good time. And you know, I
Speaker 3: always say I get invited the first time because of music.
Speaker 3: I get invited back because I play fast, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm like a very fast player, even when I
Speaker 3: was bad. I mean I was. I was a fifteen
Speaker 3: handicap a decade ago when I got you know, and
Speaker 3: now you know, a much better player. But uh, I
Speaker 3: get invited and just keep up and not be slow.
Speaker 3: But then these guys would say, oh, well, I got
Speaker 3: a friend in Oklahoma City. I saw you're playing there tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Do you want to play golf there? Sure? You know,
Speaker 3: And it just kind of steamrolled, and now I know
Speaker 3: golfers pretty much every town we play in.
Speaker 2: I bet, I bet That's the thing. It's probably almost
Speaker 2: a challenge because you sometimes want to go see new places,
Speaker 2: but you've got these friends that you go every time
Speaker 2: and they come to the show and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's an amazing probably just you know, it makes for
Speaker 2: great days and it's always easier to play with people
Speaker 2: that you know, right, you go back to.
Speaker 3: Totally, well, I think if you can, if you have
Speaker 3: the option of playing with a good friend. For instance,
Speaker 3: let's say I've got a great friend who hosts me
Speaker 3: every time I go to Chicago out at out at
Speaker 3: you know Chicago golf, which you know is for for
Speaker 3: most folks and myself included, before I knew him, was
Speaker 3: an ungettable you know. And so I start playing with him,
Speaker 3: and now we actually have fun and we have a
Speaker 3: good match and we're talking trash the whole time. And
Speaker 3: so when somebody, some strangers, like, hey, do you want
Speaker 3: to play this other great course in town?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Think I'd rather just go play with my buddy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the hard the hard thing. You got
Speaker 2: to have longer trips or something, but or do most
Speaker 2: You got to get to the point where you're like
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, playing like three shows every time you're in
Speaker 2: a city.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I need to get into the residency model
Speaker 3: so I can try out all the other golf courses.
Speaker 2: How did you get better at golf? Because I played
Speaker 2: with you, you're a good player.
Speaker 1: I got better.
Speaker 3: I mean at first it was just a lot of
Speaker 3: reps and then watching good players play. And then I
Speaker 3: got to be like about a ten or eleven. And
Speaker 3: I joined a club here in town, and you know,
Speaker 3: I was breaking ninety every once in a while and
Speaker 3: had you know, streaky moments, and so I go, I
Speaker 3: decided to get my first lesson. And so the guy's
Speaker 3: taking some videos of the iPad and he says, okay,
Speaker 3: so what's what's the goal?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want here?
Speaker 3: You know, it's probably twelve at the time, And I said, man,
Speaker 3: I'd like to be like a single digit player. And
Speaker 3: he goes, okay, but like you want to be a
Speaker 3: nine or you want to be a two? And I
Speaker 3: was like, I mean, I'd love to be able to
Speaker 3: get down to a two or three, you know, And
Speaker 3: he goes, okay, if you want to be a nine,
Speaker 3: I got a handful of things we can start working on.
Speaker 3: He goes, if you want to be a two, we
Speaker 3: got to start over.
Speaker 2: So did you start over?
Speaker 1: So I started over.
Speaker 3: I had one of those big you know, inside out cuts,
Speaker 3: just you know, just a big old cut swing, and
Speaker 3: he made me completely get rid of that and go
Speaker 3: to more of an outside end draw swing.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that it really helped.
Speaker 3: I've played a lot of golf with two PGA Tour
Speaker 3: guys in particular, Scott Stallings and Kevin Kissner, and both
Speaker 3: of them have been very generous to basically turn every
Speaker 3: time we play into kind of a teaching round and
Speaker 3: just little things like game management, decision making, sand shots.
Speaker 3: I've gotten really good with the sixty degree and short
Speaker 3: game and hitting, you know, getting I'm not just just
Speaker 3: always tweaking, and also don't take it super seriously. So
Speaker 3: I think I'm willing to try a lot of new
Speaker 3: things out on the golf course because you know, I
Speaker 3: play enough to where it's okay if you go out
Speaker 3: there and make a fool of yourself every now and then.
Speaker 2: So I feel like what you said that the stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of times people look to PGA
Speaker 2: Tour players for like technique stuff, but like what you
Speaker 2: said about just game game management, that's what they're the
Speaker 2: best in the world at, is just getting a ball
Speaker 2: around a golf course like it's amazing to watch a
Speaker 2: guy effectively slap it around and it's like, oh, he
Speaker 2: shot sixty seven today and he didn't play great. What's
Speaker 2: the right? What is there a piece of game management
Speaker 2: advice that is stuck with you from either of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think.
Speaker 3: I mean I used to be a pin hunter, you know.
Speaker 3: And Scott's the best because he's really sarcastic. I mean,
Speaker 3: so his kids are. They're both like big trash talkers.
Speaker 3: But Scott will wait till I make a mistake and
Speaker 3: then he'll say, all right, all right, all right, so
Speaker 3: tell me about that decision, you know. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I thought I could, you know, I thought I could
Speaker 3: cover the right side draw it into that type pin.
Speaker 3: And he's like, yes, see, you don't have that shot.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have it, but it's like one out
Speaker 3: of ten times. He's like, why didn't you just hit
Speaker 3: a little cut to the left on the left side
Speaker 3: of the big side of the green and then and
Speaker 3: then you'd be putting for Birdie right now. Instead, you
Speaker 3: short sided yourself and you're really gonna be working hard
Speaker 3: for this bogie, you know. So I just love the
Speaker 3: the Scott's way of teaching me. It was just like
Speaker 3: make let's let you make a mistake, and then just
Speaker 3: kind of always reminded me that I'm not a professional.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's that's that's that's one. My favorite thing with Kissner
Speaker 3: was when covid started. Uh, we were both bored when
Speaker 3: the tour was still not doing anything early early on
Speaker 3: and I'm a part of the swetens Cove ownership group
Speaker 3: and a very very very small piece, but still a
Speaker 3: part of it, and so he had not played it,
Speaker 3: and I said, why don't we do like a little
Speaker 3: Instagram live match. And at that point we'd probably played
Speaker 3: golf together maybe a half dozen times, and it was
Speaker 3: always funkrt like you know, casual cart and beer golf,
Speaker 3: which is like his specialty when he's not on tour.
Speaker 3: So he pulls up to the to the parking lot
Speaker 3: and our wives are going to film him. His wife
Speaker 3: on his Instagram, my wife on mine, and it's nine
Speaker 3: home match. I'm getting five shots, which I should have
Speaker 3: gotten six or seven.
Speaker 2: I feel like you should have gotten like eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well based on how he played. So he shows
Speaker 3: up and he's in full tour regalia, he's got his
Speaker 3: sponsor stuff, on everything, and I'm you know, I'm like,
Speaker 3: hey man, what's uh, what's up with the like all
Speaker 3: the gear, you know, all the all the logos today
Speaker 3: And he's like, hey man, showtown today. And he had
Speaker 3: like a different countenance that every the time we played,
Speaker 3: and he goes eagle Birdie, Birdie Bertie, and I'm four down.
Speaker 1: I was just like this is all on the internet.
Speaker 3: Just like, okay, well this was not the friendly fundraising
Speaker 3: round that I thought we were going to have. So
Speaker 3: that was a public a public evisceration that I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: What a good sponsor man, what a good guy for
Speaker 2: the sponsors. He's wearing his full gear even on an
Speaker 2: off Yeah, now he knew get it.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't off day, but we were.
Speaker 3: It was a fundraiser for COVID relief for like unemployed folks,
Speaker 3: and so his sponsors had all been sort of preemptively generous,
Speaker 3: you know. So it was a it was a it
Speaker 3: was a thoughtful flex.
Speaker 2: How did you get into the Sweeten's cove the that
Speaker 2: like what was the decision making and like how did
Speaker 2: that just come about?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I was a pretty early adopter because it's not that
Speaker 3: far from Nashville, and I remember the very early even
Speaker 3: before it was finished, there was like a PDF floating around,
Speaker 3: you know, Nashville, the sort of Nashville golf scene. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's some guys building a nine holer, you know, like
Speaker 3: redoing this course. We should go check it out. It's
Speaker 3: you know, maybe we should. You know, there was like
Speaker 3: a membership thing at the time. There was at first
Speaker 3: it was maybe it was going to be private. Who
Speaker 3: knew what it was going to be. So I went
Speaker 3: down This is back when you could rent the property
Speaker 3: out for like twelve hundred dollars a day, and there
Speaker 3: was literally just a you know, you went in the
Speaker 3: early days, there's just one single porta potty. And so
Speaker 3: I went down there and it was a fundraiser for
Speaker 3: something and a bunch of guys rented out and I
Speaker 3: just fell in love with the golf course and started
Speaker 3: going down there, I don't know, maybe quarterly or two
Speaker 3: or three times every year.
Speaker 1: And then found out.
Speaker 3: That and in parallel track to that, I had gotten
Speaker 3: to know Andy Roddick through through golf as well. We
Speaker 3: have a mutual friend that had introduced us and we
Speaker 3: actually played for the first time at Sweeten's and then
Speaker 3: this was like three months after you know, a Hoopie
Speaker 3: had opened, and then the same group went down there
Speaker 3: and Rob Collins went with us to play a hoopie
Speaker 3: and obviously fell in love with it. But that at
Speaker 3: that at that Hangy Andy and a bunch of other
Speaker 3: guys had just bought Sweeten's Cove with Peyton Manning, and
Speaker 3: you know, everybody knows the story.
Speaker 1: It's all it's all over all over the internet.
Speaker 3: And they still had a couple of like investors slots
Speaker 3: and they said, you know, we're looking for somebody that
Speaker 3: loves bourbon is from Tennessee, is a musician and loves golf.
Speaker 2: It's like they were targeting you.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, like, I think there's only maybe
Speaker 3: maybe one of those, and that's me, So so I
Speaker 3: kind of jumped at the opportunity to get involved. And
Speaker 3: it's been really neat to see. I mean, obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: the National Press yourself included, really put the story on
Speaker 3: the map. But with some you know, sort of better
Speaker 3: funding and more sort of thoughtful management, the property is
Speaker 3: really just doing it awesome.
Speaker 1: And we get people from all.
Speaker 3: Over the world, really all over the world that come
Speaker 3: to have as it's now one of those you know,
Speaker 3: it's some one of those pilgrimages that people can take,
Speaker 3: and it's one of the pilgrimages that hasn't been you know,
Speaker 3: hasn't been milked for every penny that you know, the
Speaker 3: pebbles and sawgrasses of the world have become.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's I think it's an amazing testament.
Speaker 2: I think rightfully so to a certain degree, the Internet,
Speaker 2: social media and everything is right now, you know, people
Speaker 2: are like, is this really good for the society? Right,
Speaker 2: and a lot of different industries have changed. But in
Speaker 2: terms of independent golf course ownership, the idea of a
Speaker 2: nine hole golf course in the middle of nowhere becoming
Speaker 2: a literal tourist destination across the world. People coming like,
Speaker 2: I mean people I talk to people that are like,
Speaker 2: you know, from England. I went to c Sweeten's Cove,
Speaker 2: Like it's just unbelievable that this nine hole golf course
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere that didn't have a clubhouse,
Speaker 2: didn't have like you know, it still doesn't have a clubhouse,
Speaker 2: but has a little bit more and a little bit
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a clubhouse now. Compared to what
Speaker 2: it was, but like it became this, like this destination
Speaker 2: place is an amazing thing from you know, just the
Speaker 2: fact of discovery that the Internet creates. So for all
Speaker 2: the there are a lot of negatives, I always fall
Speaker 2: back on things like that as like this is the
Speaker 2: positive because this golf course probably wouldn't have existed or
Speaker 2: continue to exist if it wasn't for you know, the
Speaker 2: ability for people to discover places. And I imagine there's
Speaker 2: some parallels with that with music, where there's stuff that
Speaker 2: you don't love about the Internet but also has been
Speaker 2: you know, wonderful for your career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, before we started, before we push record,
Speaker 3: I was just sharing a little bit about how I was.
Speaker 3: I was a little bit of a late bloomer. The
Speaker 3: music that I made early on didn't connect. Really. My
Speaker 3: third or fourth record was the one that finally started
Speaker 3: connecting with an actual audience of fans. And that wouldn't
Speaker 3: that would not have been enough. I wouldn't have had
Speaker 3: that kind of time in the earlier sort of record
Speaker 3: label era, pre streaming, pre iTunes and all that, and
Speaker 3: so I'm certainly grateful for the era that I'm in.
Speaker 3: You know, that said the market is so flooded with
Speaker 3: music that it's hard to you know, continue to sort
Speaker 3: of stand out. But you know, like like a like
Speaker 3: probably true in your world as well. There's you know,
Speaker 3: you're not going to get everybody, but you just got
Speaker 3: to super serve the people that you've got, you know.
Speaker 3: And and that's why the touring thing is so important
Speaker 3: for us, because it's it's you know, it's the way
Speaker 3: we connect with the people who really are more than
Speaker 3: just casually listening to a twenty second clip on an
Speaker 3: Instagram reel. You know, these are people who've made plans
Speaker 3: and spent money to come see a show and have
Speaker 3: a have an experience with a group a room full
Speaker 3: of strangers.
Speaker 2: So honestly, one of like, you know, I think about
Speaker 2: drawbacks to my life and entrepreneurship, and I would not
Speaker 2: trade what I decided to do when I started this
Speaker 2: company for really anything. But one of the things that
Speaker 2: I greatly greatly miss is that I used to go
Speaker 2: to like, you know, like a dozen concerts a year,
Speaker 2: and that number has greatly greatly shrunk and obviously some
Speaker 2: of its life, but a lot of it's just entrepreneurship
Speaker 2: and the time demands of it. It's like there's nothing
Speaker 2: better than going to a live live music and just
Speaker 2: that whole experience. And as you said, like I'm you
Speaker 2: get a craft and experience for people when you're putting
Speaker 2: on a show, Like how are they? How are ways
Speaker 2: that you get better at crafting experience as your career
Speaker 2: goes on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take a couple of things for example that
Speaker 3: it were like I had major sort of growth spurts.
Speaker 3: I think a recent one for me has been a
Speaker 3: very simple thing. I used to always have a guitar.
Speaker 3: I mean, if I was on stage, I had a guitar.
Speaker 3: And over the last two record cycles, especially this one,
Speaker 3: and there are multiple songs on the new record where
Speaker 3: I don't need the guitar so I can just you know,
Speaker 3: grab the mic and just get off the mic stand
Speaker 3: and like work the crowd. Which if you had told
Speaker 3: you know, twenty three year old making his first record
Speaker 3: Drew that he would ever do that, he would be like,
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, no, definitely not doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm not an entertainer. I'm just a songwriter guy.
Speaker 3: And I've really embraced being an entertainer I've embraced that
Speaker 3: part of the show. And then the one I would
Speaker 3: say before that, maybe go back ten years, you know,
Speaker 3: the development of my of my voice. Like when I started,
Speaker 3: I only understood myself as an artist as really just
Speaker 3: as the voice is just this sort of practical vehicle
Speaker 3: to get the song out, because to me, I always
Speaker 3: thought of myself first and primarily a songwriter. And then
Speaker 3: I really started. You got challenged by a couple of
Speaker 3: peers to hey, you've got a great voice, but you
Speaker 3: haven't developed it. You haven't learned dynamic. You know. The
Speaker 3: dynamic for those you know, you don't know a lot
Speaker 3: about music is like I can sing two things exact
Speaker 3: same pitch, exact same notes, and they be completely different.
Speaker 3: You know, like if it's like you know, ten dynamic
Speaker 3: would be like I'm going to blow your microphone off,
Speaker 3: yourself back up a little bit, but it's like, you know.
Speaker 2: You gotta find your people, you know.
Speaker 3: And then then like the one dynamic is like you
Speaker 3: gotta find your people. And inside of that those two
Speaker 3: things is a world of like emotional architecture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Didn't realize that until ten, ten, twelve years ago, And
Speaker 3: so that's been a really fun thing for me. And
Speaker 3: you know, it's like the early meets, there's like a
Speaker 3: I'll try to like the golf metaphors. Like young me
Speaker 3: was like all I want to do is hit you driver.
Speaker 3: You know, watch me hit the driver. And it's like
Speaker 3: learning how to hit the irons. And now it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, learn how to how to work the way.
Speaker 3: It's just like you develop skills that you didn't know
Speaker 3: that you need or that you didn't know you had.
Speaker 3: And that's been a really satisfying sort of creative and personal,
Speaker 3: personally satisfying and creatively satisfying.
Speaker 1: To continue to grow and to continue.
Speaker 3: To get better. I think that's you know, I think
Speaker 3: that's one things I love about golf is that there's
Speaker 3: no there's no perfection in it. There is a bit
Speaker 3: like every good round feels like you just wrote another
Speaker 3: good like a good song.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way after shows? Like there's always
Speaker 2: things you could do a little bit better. I maybe
Speaker 2: this is a pattern for you that you just go
Speaker 2: after it and.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes and no.
Speaker 3: But I'm also a great celebrator when it goes well,
Speaker 3: like when we have a show that just feels like
Speaker 3: a total ten and the crowd feels like a ten,
Speaker 3: and the set landed just right and everything was good.
Speaker 3: I do not I'm not the guy who like, all right,
Speaker 3: everybody in the green room, we're gonna sit around and
Speaker 3: talk about what we could have done better? You know
Speaker 3: that Always I always wait till the next day. And
Speaker 3: and I'm not. I love I love working with my
Speaker 3: band because they're all pros, like I see them as
Speaker 3: peers and equal, not as you know, employees, and so
Speaker 3: that allows for a lot of collaboration and we really
Speaker 3: are like we're a team up there.
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Speaker 2: now back to Drew Holcombe. Have you ever thought of
Speaker 2: like golf courses as songs? And if you have, have
Speaker 2: you ever thought that way? Could you give us some
Speaker 2: golf courses song coms?
Speaker 1: I can, I can, Yeah for sure. I love this.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna I wrote it down.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I was just I wrote
Speaker 3: down today golf courses that were new to me.
Speaker 2: This show well, I was gonna ask I was going
Speaker 2: to ask about that too, So.
Speaker 3: So I'll use a couple of those as like as
Speaker 3: maybe less like specific songs, but more I go with
Speaker 3: like band.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it, I love you can take this.
Speaker 2: I always think about this stuff because I some of
Speaker 2: the time, like what I try and think about is
Speaker 2: a lot of times like the cadence of how the
Speaker 2: holes hit, you know, into different parts, And I think
Speaker 2: about like courses that go to wait a lot different topography,
Speaker 2: like like different settings. Like one time I was thinking,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever played East Hampton, you
Speaker 2: probably haven't. It's a core crunchhaw. But it's got like
Speaker 2: these like three different settings and I was like, that's
Speaker 2: like band on the Run because it's like three completely
Speaker 2: different songs in one Yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, I'm gonna go with Oakland Hills and
Speaker 3: Congressional are like Queen. They're just big stadium rock Opus Magnus,
Speaker 3: you know, very very much that way. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go with Eagle Point down in Wilmington is like, like
Speaker 3: what's a good like Ben Harper the Innocent Criminals, like
Speaker 3: a little jammy not totally put together, really solid, a
Speaker 3: good time.
Speaker 2: You know. I think the first band I ever saw,
Speaker 2: the first concert I ever saw, I was like it
Speaker 2: was like nineteen ninety six. This was the first concert
Speaker 2: that I went to as a kid. Like it was
Speaker 2: me and my friend and it was Dave Matthew's band
Speaker 2: and Ben Harper was opening. Yes, it's just like a
Speaker 2: crazy it's like, you know, it's just funny. It's whenever
Speaker 2: I think of Ben Harper, I think about that. That
Speaker 2: was the you know I had some like marijuana that
Speaker 2: like landed on my lap and the mom of the
Speaker 2: friends that took us to the concert. I had no
Speaker 2: clue what it was. I was I was ten. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at this and I was like, what is this?
Speaker 2: It smells and the mother, the mother that took us,
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, like freaked out and I
Speaker 2: grabbed it and I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's great.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, like Dave Matthews would be, Oh, here,
Speaker 3: Dave Matthews is Valley Club of Monacito.
Speaker 2: All right, what's what's the what's the rationale?
Speaker 3: Just kind of super comfortable in its own skin. It's
Speaker 3: as good as anything out there, but it doesn't need
Speaker 3: all the the pomp and circumstance, not super social media savvy,
Speaker 3: just comfortable. And it's like you know, in its age,
Speaker 3: it's young enough to be fun, but doesn't isn't trying,
Speaker 3: isn't trying too hard?
Speaker 2: As a Chicago And I'm just gonna put a disclaimer.
Speaker 2: It's it's a Valley Club without without the tour bus incident.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, to be fair, that wasn't Dave's fault. But yes,
Speaker 3: the people on the boat in the Chicago River might
Speaker 3: not feel the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: They They would say that their their golf course comp
Speaker 3: would be like the sixteenth that the Phoenix Open. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's the Dave Matthews went for them. Okay, wing
Speaker 3: Foot is like Tony Bennett, you know, just classic, just classic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I played Leedo this year. I'm trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well? I thought it was Yeah, go ahead, I'll side
Speaker 2: of the comps, like, what were some things that stuck
Speaker 2: with you from these courses that you played? You've just
Speaker 2: listed off some some great new courses that you've played.
Speaker 3: Okay, So my favorites from this year that I played
Speaker 3: were that I got to play on the road were
Speaker 3: Valley Club, Sleepy Hollow, which I've never played, Liedo, the
Speaker 3: Congressional Redo, and then Wingfoot especially I had never played
Speaker 3: wing Foot and.
Speaker 1: Honestly whatever, I'll go those five, but.
Speaker 3: Wingfoot, I had never had this imagination that I had
Speaker 3: with all the other top fifteen, top ten fifteen courses.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I'd seen on TV a
Speaker 1: few times.
Speaker 3: It just didn't really And I think I have a
Speaker 3: tendency to kind of like courses that are not like landlocked,
Speaker 3: and I'm not as big of an in town kind
Speaker 3: of fan, like a little space and so I just
Speaker 3: never had my imagination. So I went and played it,
Speaker 3: and I was completely intoxicated by the green complex is there.
Speaker 3: I mean, as an everyday player, if you remember there,
Speaker 3: you could you could you could play there one hundred
Speaker 3: rounds and it would never feel the same based on
Speaker 3: where the pins are in the wind. And I was
Speaker 3: just very impressed. And we played it from a distance
Speaker 3: that made it that was fun enough to where we
Speaker 3: could even if we got a little bit off the fairway,
Speaker 3: we had a chance it, you know, muscling it up
Speaker 3: and but then you know, the bounce and the bounce
Speaker 3: in the greens was nuts. Well.
Speaker 2: I think I think one of the underrated things about
Speaker 2: wing Foot and like is like it's hard, it's hard
Speaker 2: to hit fairways. But like, honestly, like I think about
Speaker 2: rounds out there is like, you know, in a way,
Speaker 2: if you're if you're just talking about playing golf for fun,
Speaker 2: the idea of miss it if you hit a bad drive,
Speaker 2: there's like an excitement level of like I'm probably not
Speaker 2: gonna hit this green and then I'm gonna get a
Speaker 2: chip around these amazing greens and it's going to be
Speaker 2: like the imagination, and I think more so with any
Speaker 2: form of golf, and this could tie back to music.
Speaker 2: Is when you get the shots around the green, is
Speaker 2: when it's almost like you get to go like riff
Speaker 2: in music and go a little bit outside of the
Speaker 2: you know, the boundaries because you can hit bump shots.
Speaker 2: You can you can hit like a shot with a
Speaker 2: little bit more spin. Like that's where you can have
Speaker 2: a lot of fun in golf is around the greens.
Speaker 2: If you're assuming you're not like stressing and grinding for score, right,
Speaker 2: that's probably the most fun aspect of golf.
Speaker 3: Okay, on that note, I'm remembering something that Scott Stallings
Speaker 3: told me that has been the thing that has stuck
Speaker 3: with me the most, and it speaks speaks to this idea,
Speaker 3: if you don't hit the green is more of an
Speaker 3: attitude thing and it's a creativity thing. He told me
Speaker 3: that every missed shot around the green, you know, every
Speaker 3: every shot around the green is an opportunity to make
Speaker 3: a lifetime memory. That's right, you know, it's like an
Speaker 3: opportunity to get creative, like really thinking through you know,
Speaker 3: like great example week for number one, I went in
Speaker 3: the front left bunker and the pin was sort of
Speaker 3: middle right, and it was like, okay, you can either
Speaker 3: go kind of straight at it. It was down this
Speaker 3: little gully, either kind of just kind of get it
Speaker 3: up in the air and let it roll and go
Speaker 3: straight at it and definitely don't have a chance going
Speaker 3: near the pen, but more likely to have like a
Speaker 3: three to six footer or go left and try to
Speaker 3: run up this bowl and you're going to get it,
Speaker 3: like get it to go past the pin, but you
Speaker 3: might run it nine to ten feet past, but then
Speaker 3: you also have a better look at your line. So
Speaker 3: you know, just like that kind of stuff is really
Speaker 3: fun at that golf course because that's sort of the
Speaker 3: never ending feast of those complexes. It's just pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I was I played, I played golf at
Speaker 2: San Francisco last week and I had I had a
Speaker 2: great caddy Exavier and he just finished playing college golf
Speaker 2: and we were just, you know, the couple holes before
Speaker 2: we were laughing about like because I was asking. I
Speaker 2: asked him a couple of times like what do you
Speaker 2: think I should hit? And he was just like, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna tell you to hit sixty every time. The
Speaker 2: sixty degree and I'm like, oh, that's not how I play.
Speaker 2: I'm not a generation ze golfer like you, you know.
Speaker 2: And we had this a little back and forth, and
Speaker 2: on the sixteenth hole there, I hit it up to
Speaker 2: like I was like fifty yards away and for anybody
Speaker 2: that's played there, anybody that hasn't played there, the green
Speaker 2: runs away really hard. And you know, he was like,
Speaker 2: you got to hit the sixty here, and I was like, ah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try something different. Pulled. I pulled out a
Speaker 2: nine iron and just hit this little bump and run
Speaker 2: that landed, you know, twenty yards short of the green
Speaker 2: and ran up and I mean it ran up to
Speaker 2: two three inches and he was just he just like
Speaker 2: all he could do was laugh. He's like, I would
Speaker 2: never have seen nine iron from here, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, and it's like that's the thing that's so fun,
Speaker 2: And like if I was playing in a tournament, I'm
Speaker 2: hitting a degree there. But that's the fun of like
Speaker 2: when you don't, when you're not really concerned about score,
Speaker 2: it allows you to hit more shots and it develops
Speaker 2: your game in different ways. And that's really the fun
Speaker 2: of like great architecture in My opinion is like, God,
Speaker 2: is this a golf course that I could just walk around,
Speaker 2: never never hit a shot from outside of fifty yards
Speaker 2: and have like the most fun. And that's generally what
Speaker 2: encapsulates my favorite golf courses is where there's so much
Speaker 2: interest in the greens like Wingfoot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no doubt Meth's and for whatever reason, the
Speaker 3: visual like PGA Tour or not PGA Tour, but like
Speaker 3: the professional golf history there, like the TV didn't do that,
Speaker 3: didn't do that, doesn't do that justice.
Speaker 2: Well, they just shoot stuff from too high. They almost do.
Speaker 2: They do it to Augusta in a sense too. Like
Speaker 2: you go to Augusta and it's like everybody you talk
Speaker 2: to that goes to Augusta for the first time, they're like, whoa,
Speaker 2: I can't believe the greens and the land. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: it's because it's shot from terrible angles, right, It's I
Speaker 2: imagine you have the same thing happens when you're at
Speaker 2: venues and because you see certain angles always of venues, right,
Speaker 2: Like I get excited when I go to a concert
Speaker 2: somewhere that haven't been and I look at pictures and
Speaker 2: they're generally like the same pictures and then you get
Speaker 2: in the place and you're like, oh, like I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was like this right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, way in the sound too.
Speaker 3: I mean everybody thinks that, like, oh, I was front
Speaker 3: row at so and so, and you're like it sounds
Speaker 3: like shit on the front row. It's like all you're
Speaker 3: hearing is like snare drum and like guitar amps, and
Speaker 3: you're like, go kind of near the middle by the
Speaker 3: sound guy, close your eyes and that's what's supposed to
Speaker 3: sound like.
Speaker 2: You know that's good. Yeah, right, go right by the sound.
Speaker 3: Getting the sound guy. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So I'll go to another one here, Sleepy Hollow, just
Speaker 3: all of the sort of it's one of those ones
Speaker 3: that was a little sort of okay, is all the
Speaker 3: like internet speaking of good angles, Yeah, like the Internet
Speaker 3: has made that the darling, you know, golf course of
Speaker 3: the ages for the last five years. I got to
Speaker 3: play it with Ben Hillard, who is uh ran point
Speaker 3: on that for Gil it also happens to be Sun Law.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know Ben getting great guy, you know,
Speaker 3: good player, And so we got to I got to
Speaker 3: sort of hear all about the work they did while
Speaker 3: while playing it on a sort of crisp you know,
Speaker 3: early fall day, and so that was really really neat.
Speaker 3: I was very blown, very blown away by that. Had also,
Speaker 3: I love it's always fun when you play well at
Speaker 3: a good at a good spot for your first time.
Speaker 1: That doesn't usually happen for me like this.
Speaker 3: Actually the weirdest round of the year for me is
Speaker 3: I got to play Somerset and my host and I
Speaker 3: did not know that it was the like jokey Superintendent's
Speaker 3: revenge day God, and they were like tractors in front
Speaker 3: of the greens and I was like, oh, man, definitely
Speaker 3: need to just wipe this from my mind and go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get that place could be impossible if you
Speaker 2: did it on that day, but it could be so
Speaker 2: fun if you get it on the right day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did they have to pin in the back on five?
Speaker 2: That crazy green with the with the back Okay, did
Speaker 2: they put it all the way back?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They had it on the very little back of
Speaker 3: that little hill before the other hill. And then I
Speaker 3: can't remember what hole it is, number whichever, the blind
Speaker 3: sort of tabletop punch bowl kind of green.
Speaker 1: I think it's number three.
Speaker 3: They had the flag in the back left corner, but
Speaker 3: the cup was in the front right.
Speaker 1: It really, I mean, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Just it's a tough break for your first go round.
Speaker 3: Totally, totally was completely blown away this year by the
Speaker 3: redo of Congressional Blue by Andrew Green.
Speaker 1: I'd played it, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, six or seven years ago, maybe it maybe longer,
Speaker 3: eight or nine years ago, and you know, it felt
Speaker 3: like a kind of a classic, like super tough test,
Speaker 3: but I didn't remember much at all. Went back, and
Speaker 3: I mean just a completely different golf course than than
Speaker 3: what he had when he started with. So that was
Speaker 3: really a special day to see that, just to see
Speaker 3: the before and after.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it got I mean, it's an amazing
Speaker 2: thing to see that type of transformation because that one,
Speaker 2: I mean, they did so much work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not even the same place. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then you know, Valley Club I loved because mainly
Speaker 3: one of the things I loved about it had this
Speaker 3: great West Coast culture vibe of just everybody with push
Speaker 3: carts and a lot of you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: like nice fancy courses don't do the pushcart thing, at
Speaker 3: least not in the South. You know, that's sort of
Speaker 3: frowned on here. I guess I don't know, it's silly.
Speaker 2: That clubhouse is amazing too. It's just like everything's just
Speaker 2: old right.
Speaker 3: In the eucalyptus trees and the you know, the golf
Speaker 3: course is insane. It's just a great, great golf course.
Speaker 3: And then leedo, I found well, the group I was
Speaker 3: with got pretty I was I was the low player,
Speaker 3: and again I was playing like a four, and so
Speaker 3: the group got really aggressive and like, well, let's play
Speaker 3: the tips. You know, I was like, okay, first round,
Speaker 3: winds blowing twenty five miles an hour. I mean, it
Speaker 3: ate everybody alive, myself included, you know.
Speaker 2: I meant, first time around there, you have just no
Speaker 2: clue what's going on.
Speaker 3: No, and the fairway undulation is insane. It's really really cool.
Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. I was surprised. I just I
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't do much research on it because I
Speaker 3: kind of just wanted to go in into it with
Speaker 3: a with no preconceived ideas I was expecting, you know,
Speaker 3: because it was a McDonald sort of template that I
Speaker 3: was expecting more of the templates than what there were,
Speaker 3: you know, which was which was cool. It was a surprise.
Speaker 3: I was, you know, I was expecting like, oh, there's
Speaker 3: going to be a very classic birds Hole and there's
Speaker 3: going to be like a very classic ri Dan and
Speaker 3: everything was a little different, you know. So it's definitely
Speaker 3: one that I if somebody says, is it, should you
Speaker 3: make a point to go? I was, absolutely, it's a must.
Speaker 1: We didn't. It was a quick trip.
Speaker 3: I didn't. We didn't play the other two and I
Speaker 3: have played those twice before. But an incredible compliment to
Speaker 3: what does the Michael has been doing there and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know. It's a very unique it's
Speaker 3: a very unique golf course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy golf course. I mean, it's it's insane.
Speaker 2: It's insane that it just started from like just dead
Speaker 2: flat sand to that and it's totally I mean, it's
Speaker 2: even more amazing to think that like a swamp on
Speaker 2: Long Island got turned into that, you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: maybe even a little bit more severe version of that, right,
Speaker 2: I think, like if anything, they don't they might have
Speaker 2: toned down a few things because of green speeds and
Speaker 2: because like they you know, if they weren't sure on something,
Speaker 2: they they kind of aired on a little bit softer
Speaker 2: because it's so extreme as it is. What's on the
Speaker 2: what's on the courses that you're dying to see? List?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of things.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of places that I want to see
Speaker 3: that are I mean speaking of the rain McDonald, I
Speaker 3: really would love to see mid Ocean.
Speaker 1: That's like that and Camar show the last showing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: showing Bermuda.
Speaker 3: Anybody anybody out there got a venue in Bermuda they
Speaker 3: want me to play? Yeah, that's that's That's one that
Speaker 3: I've that I've I would love to see. I've never
Speaker 3: done any of the any of the Boston stuff, so
Speaker 3: I think that would be fun of like my Opia
Speaker 3: and Essex and.
Speaker 2: I mean they got they got good news stuff too.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about Boston. There's so much variety. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's so much variety. And the landscape is just so
Speaker 2: distinct right where you have those rocky and sandy and
Speaker 2: the beautiful vegetation. I mean, an amazing area for golf.
Speaker 2: I love Boston.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, back to your neck of
Speaker 3: the woods. We were joking about the other courses in Chicago,
Speaker 3: but there are i'd say of the of the major
Speaker 3: sort of markets, that's the one that I have sort
Speaker 3: of underplayed the most, just because I've got this great
Speaker 3: situation at one particular spot that I haven't really branched out.
Speaker 3: So that's that's an area that I would love to go.
Speaker 3: And then I went to another one I went to
Speaker 3: but it was actually lot it was technically twenty two.
Speaker 3: But I want to go back to landman. I was
Speaker 3: completely just bowled over by it. It's so bold and
Speaker 3: creative and unlike anything else that I've ever played in
Speaker 3: the world. So I want to do that trip and
Speaker 3: go see like cap Rock and if I can, or
Speaker 3: there's there's. That's the hard thing now. And I think
Speaker 3: you and I were talking about this too. With kids.
Speaker 3: I travel a lot for a living, so I don't
Speaker 3: actually do a lot of like, oh I'm going to
Speaker 3: do a golf trip and plan these different spots.
Speaker 1: I am doing that next year for one trip.
Speaker 3: I'm going to Scotland with seven buddies and and we're
Speaker 3: gonna basically do just the North We've done sort of.
Speaker 3: We've done the trips where you try to get as
Speaker 3: many of the top ranked courses, and this time we're
Speaker 3: just going to camp out up in the highlands and
Speaker 3: just play awesome up there. But besides that, I don't
Speaker 3: I really just want to play a lot more golf
Speaker 3: at home.
Speaker 1: Next year.
Speaker 3: I miss being around and playing, you know, in my
Speaker 3: own club or golf club at Tennessee. I miss only
Speaker 3: got to Sweet twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, course next year too, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's which is very exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually got the gill let me get up
Speaker 3: there and the excavator and dig out a dig out
Speaker 3: a bunker.
Speaker 2: So that was I hope you find that bunker very often.
Speaker 1: Be fair.
Speaker 3: I do want to go up there with a bucket
Speaker 3: of balls and just like really just dump them in
Speaker 3: the bunker and hit out of it, just see what
Speaker 3: it's like. Uh. But yeah, I think there's there's there's
Speaker 3: always And that's an interesting thing too right now with
Speaker 3: all all of the destination golf, what the Kaisers are
Speaker 3: up to, with the Cabot stuff, you know, citrus farms
Speaker 3: and you know the stuff going New Zealand, there's a
Speaker 3: never ending supply of opportunity and.
Speaker 1: And not and not enough time or access.
Speaker 3: I mean I know that I speak from like a
Speaker 3: very Musicians are incredibly privileged in the golf space, and
Speaker 3: I'm very self aware about that. That being said, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to give any of that privilege up. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go play these places if I get I
Speaker 3: from when I get invited.
Speaker 1: But also, my kids are getting into golf and my
Speaker 1: daughter made like her first part of this year and
Speaker 1: that was probably the most exciting golf moment for me
Speaker 1: because it sort of sparked this imagination about what my
Speaker 1: future might hold of playing golf with my kids. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's definitely pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, your kids are getting to the age where
Speaker 2: they're they're golf potential. Are they shown interest?
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. They're not.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say they were like obsessed with it, but
Speaker 3: they never say no and I invite them, So that's
Speaker 3: we're at least uh.
Speaker 2: Seems like they just want to spend time with you. See.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the back door into getting a kid
Speaker 2: that that's going to play a lot of golf.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, before we get you out here, I
Speaker 2: got I got a bunch of of quick hitting questions
Speaker 2: here for you. Yep, all right, music on the golf course?
Speaker 2: How loud? What's genre's best, and is it okay at all?
Speaker 1: It's definitely okay.
Speaker 3: I like just a good mixed playlist of like R,
Speaker 3: like classic R and B and kind of new sort
Speaker 3: of alt pop, weird stuff, you know. But then I'm
Speaker 3: also cool with the guys who just love to play
Speaker 3: country music all day. I mean, I have one rule
Speaker 3: with the music on the golf course. One one one
Speaker 3: playlist is happening at one time in the foursome. When
Speaker 3: there's like both carts are playing music and they're not
Speaker 3: the same, I feel like I'm gonna die.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 3: It's awful. And then the other rule is, whenever I'm
Speaker 3: playing with somebody's just please don't play with me, I
Speaker 3: can't be on the playlist, you know. So those are
Speaker 3: my two music rules.
Speaker 2: People often ask me, do you ever listen to your podcast?
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, no.
Speaker 1: No, heck no, definitely not.
Speaker 2: Another question this is this is a holiday season question.
Speaker 2: Is Christmas music actually good?
Speaker 1: You know? Some Christmas music is actually fantastic.
Speaker 2: You've got a Christmas album?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, we did like ten years ago.
Speaker 3: And I will say this about Christmas music, it is
Speaker 3: some of the most complex popular music ever made. And
Speaker 3: people are always like, you got a Christmas album, you
Speaker 3: come play by yourself. I'm like, no, I have to
Speaker 3: have my band for that. I can't. I can't do
Speaker 3: that by myself. Not good enough.
Speaker 1: But all the like.
Speaker 3: Classic Sinatra, you know, Andy Williams, na King Cole, that
Speaker 3: stuff is awesome. There's also a pile of Christmas music
Speaker 3: trash out there that is the largest pile of trash
Speaker 3: in the music business.
Speaker 2: All right. Top three Christmas albums.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, okay, the I mean, obviously the what's the
Speaker 3: the the Peanuts when I'm blinking Charlie, Yeah, yeah, Vincecaraldi
Speaker 3: Vince Scarlti is number one. Amy Grant's second Christmas record,
Speaker 3: I'll be Home for Christmas, and then I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: with the the bing Crosby one, blanking on the name,
Speaker 3: but it's the one with Maliki laky Maka and all
Speaker 3: that on it. It's a great his his silent eye
Speaker 3: is just so good.
Speaker 2: All right, last two questions, What holidays should have more
Speaker 2: slash better music?
Speaker 1: I mean, does Thanksgiving have any music?
Speaker 3: I mean, my buddy Ben Rector has has the ones,
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, there's a.
Speaker 1: Song on my record called gratitude.
Speaker 3: I guess you could put that in the Thanksgiving category,
Speaker 3: but it seems.
Speaker 2: For how big of a deal Thanksgiving is it should
Speaker 2: have music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Fourth of July doesn't really have like music.
Speaker 3: But there's this America playlist. It's got like free Fallen
Speaker 3: and you know, Mellencamp, ain't that America? Like all the
Speaker 3: like classic rock songs that have the word America.
Speaker 2: And then and then you got like a ton of
Speaker 2: country music that could fall into that.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And then last question, which major golf event or major
Speaker 2: needs a new theme song most?
Speaker 1: Is this a trap?
Speaker 2: No, that's not trap. This came just came from This
Speaker 2: came from the Frida Egg slack slack slack room.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's the writer up theme song?
Speaker 1: Is there one?
Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, it's the I can't I can't think
Speaker 2: of it offhand, but you know the player's got a
Speaker 2: new one recently. It's that, you know. And then the masters.
Speaker 2: I mean you can't touch the masters, right.
Speaker 1: No, you can't.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I'm you know, you grow you just grow
Speaker 3: to love it, accustomed to it. Like I don't even
Speaker 3: know if it's good, but I just it just is
Speaker 3: what it is. You know, it takes, it brings, it
Speaker 3: brings everybody nice peace and calm. We're about to watch
Speaker 3: the Masters.
Speaker 2: Maybe sit down and but may the right answer is
Speaker 2: the PGA for this, because the PGA just always is
Speaker 2: the major that needs something new, right it does.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm excited for you know, speaking of just
Speaker 3: like not the question you asked, but it is really fun.
Speaker 3: I think what the USGA is doing with basically building
Speaker 3: a new sort of a basically a new roda of
Speaker 3: classic courses. I mean, looking at the list of where
Speaker 3: all the US Opens are going to be, I feel
Speaker 3: like it's going to have more of that flavor that
Speaker 3: the Open Championship as of particular players really wanting to
Speaker 3: rise to the occasion at a particular golf course. And
Speaker 3: that's I think as a fan, that's that's going to
Speaker 3: be a win for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got mixed feelings because I feel like it
Speaker 2: disincentivizes the idea of like a golf course getting better
Speaker 2: if they're all booked, or a good new golf course
Speaker 2: getting built. Like my thing is like if you some
Speaker 2: of these places, like I'm not the biggest Chambers Bay
Speaker 2: or Aaron Hills fan like they I don't like, I'm
Speaker 2: not riding for them necessarily, but like the idea that
Speaker 2: we can't have you know that they don't have any history.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know they didn't. Really history isn't
Speaker 2: built in one one tournament, right, Like, so I would
Speaker 2: like to see a little bit. I like the idea
Speaker 2: of having like, hey, these are the ten courses that
Speaker 2: we go to, but I like having a little bit
Speaker 2: of flexibility with a few spots here and there, and
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe it'll evolve, maybe things will change. And
Speaker 2: I think one of the other things is like what's
Speaker 2: going to happen with the golf ball is going to
Speaker 2: be interesting because you know, some of the some of
Speaker 2: the way these courses are played is going to change,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So my only counterpoint to that is I grew up.
Speaker 1: One of the reason I didn't.
Speaker 3: Love golf growing up and why I gave it up
Speaker 3: for most of high school and college was because of
Speaker 3: that obsession with difficulty in our youth, where everybody that
Speaker 3: was building a golf course was like, oh, yeah, we're
Speaker 3: gonna We're gonna have the US Open one day, you know,
Speaker 3: We're gonna make it so hard that we're gonna get
Speaker 3: the US Open, and it just made for golf.
Speaker 1: It was really not fun, and architecture.
Speaker 3: Has just sort of thrown that idea out the window
Speaker 3: and now everything's being built, is being built just like
Speaker 3: for the large majority of golfers, and so I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's you know, as a as a
Speaker 3: fan watching watching Dustin Johnson finally sort of put all
Speaker 3: the naysayers to bed by just slam dunking the feet
Speaker 3: old at Oakmont.
Speaker 2: Those the last two shots my brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll never anybody who's paying attention to golf that
Speaker 3: that's like a lifetime memory of it. No longer was
Speaker 3: he just a guy who wins all the random tour events.
Speaker 3: He's actually, like, you know, a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 1: So we could.
Speaker 3: I love arguing with you and he let's do it
Speaker 3: some other, do it some more.
Speaker 2: Well, when you're out in San Francisco, if I'm here
Speaker 2: for the show, we'll do it again. You know, maybe
Speaker 2: we'll do some golf in between. But everybody, Uh, this
Speaker 2: is a great time of year to listen to your music.
Speaker 2: You know, you you've got a good That's what Brendan
Speaker 2: said in her slack is you know your music came
Speaker 2: up on one of his playlists and he was like,
Speaker 2: this is a good time of year for Drew Holcomb.
Speaker 2: If you if you're you know, if you like it,
Speaker 2: go to a show, go to a Drew Holcomb show.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, people can find you on social media.
Speaker 2: You do a lot of fun stuff on social media too.
Speaker 2: I always appreciate when you do the uh the the
Speaker 2: live sessions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do a lot.
Speaker 3: We do all sorts of stuff. And I need more
Speaker 3: golf degenerates following me on social media so that my
Speaker 3: golf content gets more attention than than some of my
Speaker 3: other stuff.
Speaker 1: So come on, come on and join the party.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I get some more music people, I'll be
Speaker 2: able to say I have to go to I have
Speaker 2: to go to more concerts these that's right, that's right
Speaker 2: waiting for me to, you know, tell them about the
Speaker 2: new music that I've been listening to. So absolutely all right, Drew,
Speaker 2: thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me. Great to see you.
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