1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick, 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: John Osier at the Hyundai studios at the Miller Electric 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles on a busy, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: busy week. Bucky, good afternoon. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: What's going on, guys? 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: How we doing? 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 4: I think for BUCkies this week is like you always 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 4: hear when presidents lose their office or when kings lose 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 4: their throne and they missed the adulation when it's over. 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 4: For Bucky after the Combine is that he's lost. He's 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 4: driving around, He's drinking coffee with anything in it, just 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 4: black coffee from McDonald's. Just wondering around Los Angeles looking 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 4: for agulation. 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: Just wandering around after being the king of the Combine, 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: just coming back and just normal civilian life. 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. You gotta you have to know 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: how we all walk. 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: Now, Welcome to our world, Bucky. All right, let's start 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: with the Jaguars cuts. The reports coming through over the 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: last couple of days, starting with fully Phatikasi that'll save 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: the Jaguars three and a half million dollars against the cap, 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: and then continuing right around the deadline for the franchise tagged. 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: There was some news of cuts on Tuesday. Rashon Jenkins, 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: the safety saves about five million dollars, and cornerback Darius 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Williams saves about eleven and a half million dollars. They 26 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: had to make some room, so some veteran names Bucky 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: are apparently no longer going to be with the Jaguars. 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Jenkins made some big plays around here obviously in big moments. 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Darius Williams had a really good year statistically last year 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: and passes defense, and then fully Fotacasi was injury plagued 31 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, had a big free agent contract. 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: So you know, could there be more? What do you 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: think of the three that got it started in the cuts? 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: No, I mean you may see a few more that 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: kind of are on the horizon, and they have lefts 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: to do about the salary cap and more to do 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: about just kind of positioning yourself for some of the 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: signings that are on the horizon. When you think about 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: the three guys that we're talking about, like all defensive players, 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 3: you're talking about Padakasi at the point of attack, he 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: just wasn't available enough, wasn't available enough, didn't make the 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: impact that you would expect based on the compensation. 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: So you can see that one. 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: I think the ones in the secondary are a little 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: more hard for maybe the fan to understand because ray 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: Seon Jenkins made a ton of plays, was an integral figure, 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: a chief figure in that defense, one of the leaders 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: of the defense, had a lot of splash plays that 49 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: are kind of tied to his resume. And so when 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: you see him move on and you see Darius Williams 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: move on, who played Darris Williams, who played pretty well, 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: a lot of that might be due to the schematic. 53 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: Shift that we will see from the defense. 54 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: As Ryan Nilson comes in and kind of puts his 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: stamp on the unit, you may see bigger corners on 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: the outside. Guys are really comfortable playing press covers, being 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: real nose to nose. And then at safety, you have 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: a situation where you signed like and I'm not saying 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: they're necessarily the same, but you signed Wing Good a 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: year ago. You have Cisco playing, you have Antonio Johnson 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: who appears ready to take on a bigger role. Sometimes 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: those circumstances can lead a veteran to be forced out 63 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: despite playing well and having a number that kind of 64 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: matches some of the production that he brought to the table. 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think the reality is I think Darius 66 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: was mostly about scheme fit. Also, Darius was really good. 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: He had picks, but he gave up a lot of 68 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 4: He gave up a lot of plays too. I mean, 69 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: you know, I'm not saying here trying to cut on him, 70 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: but you know, I think he was good but not irreplaceable. 71 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: But when you sign guys in free agency, now, when 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: you sign second contract players from other teams, the life 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: span is two or three years with that next team. 74 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: Usually it's not usually going to be a six year marriage. 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: To me, Ray Sean uh followed the plan that you 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: want you sign a guy in free agency, he gives 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: you a three good year second tier. He bridges you 78 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 4: to Antonio Johnson. I think think with Darius that you 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: would rather have you have him coming in for two years. 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: You would like to know where that next guy is, 81 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: you know, I think they would have liked to have 82 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: one of these corners that they had drafted more visibly 83 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: ready to step up. Potocossi I think just didn't play 84 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 4: that well. I mean I think that was more. 85 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: Uh winning was out there. 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't give me he. 87 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 4: Was out there. I mean, so I think it was 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: it was more that ideally you would have liked to 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: have signed all these three guys. I think ideally they 90 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 4: would have liked to have drafted a couple of guys 91 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: where other veterans that they had signed in the last 92 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 4: two or three years were maybe more expendable. But they 93 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: have they're not at that point right now. But you 94 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 4: don't sign. I mean, I get a lot of questions 95 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: when these kind of releases happened. Oh, terrible signings. You 96 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: can't even keep these guys well. Usually, if you look 97 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 4: around the league, the lifespan for most players is four 98 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: or five years with first team. They go sign a 99 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: second contract, they play two or three years on that 100 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: and then usually that means they're twenty eight, twenty nine 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: to thirty and the rare guy is the guy who's 102 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 4: playing at a core contract level beyond that. So these 103 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: to me made sense. The question is do you have 104 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 4: guys on the shelf, so to speak, to replace them? 105 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big thing. And you're right, John, when 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: you talked about the guys in the back end, they 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 3: were viewed as bridge guys that would kind of veterans 108 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: that would come in kind of give your performs for 109 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: two or three years, but you're hoping that you draft 110 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: guys that could eventually replace them. 111 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 4: But Antonio, Antonio is a formula. Yeah, that's how it's 112 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: supposed to work. I wonder about corner. 113 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Antonio Johnson definitely looks like he's ready to take 114 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: on a bigger role, whether that's like as a full 115 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: time nickel, whether that's moving back into the star lineup 116 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: as a safety. He looks primed and ready going into 117 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: the second year to be a guy that's a. 118 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: Major contributor at cornerback. 119 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: Now it's the conversation, do you feel good about the 120 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 3: guys that you have there? Do you feel good about 121 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: Buster Brown being a guy that can develop and get 122 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: onto the field, or do you feel like it's time 123 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: to go and draft another one based on how you 124 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: want to play and who matches up. The other thing 125 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: that you have going is you have Tyson Campbell who 126 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: is entering the last year of his deal. What is 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: he going to be? Is he going to be a 128 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: legitimate number one corner in this game? 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: Can he play at that level? 130 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: Or do you have to think about who are we 131 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: boring to bring in to be the heir apparent for 132 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 3: him on the other side. 133 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: So there are a lot of things that play. 134 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: Some of this would be solved in free agency, but 135 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: a lot of it will be resolved in the draft. 136 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be surprised, JP. I they I know they 137 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 4: like braswell. I they like him a lot. But much 138 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: like the Cooper Hodges' story in the offensive line, did 139 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 4: he play enough to make you think, Okay, we're going 140 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: forward with this or do we have to make sure 141 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: that we have an option if he's not. I don't 142 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 4: see any way in the world that they don't spend 143 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: equity on two corners in the next what six weeks 144 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: whenever the draft is be that too high corners a 145 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 4: free agent because you know, I don't know that you're 146 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 4: moving forward with Trey Herndon. Antonio Johnson's not a nickel. 147 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: He's gonna be a safety. 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: So guys are young and don't have a lot of 149 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: time on task. 150 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be. I would be. I'd be a little 151 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: nervous if if they don't have two high, high equity 152 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: corners either in free agency, in the draft meaning Day one, 153 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: Day two draft and a little bit of cash and 154 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: free agency, because that's their whole right now. But that again, Bucky, 155 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: that sort of makes sense because if there was a 156 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: philosophical change that happened in the last two months, it's 157 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: been how they're going to play cornerback right. 158 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: Yes, and so it makes sense that you a clear 159 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: the decks unless stockpile of the defense with the kind 160 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: of players that the defensive coordinator believes he needs. 161 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,559 Speaker 2: To help this scheme get up and going. 162 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: He talked about being more of a press coverage guy, 163 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: a guy that wants to play nose and nose to 164 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: take away the lay us what also taking away. 165 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: The deep shots. 166 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: And so typically your best bump and run corners are 167 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: long because the length kind of frustrates wide receivers at 168 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. They're athletic because you've got to 169 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: be able to run no matter what we talk about it, 170 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 3: we can mask it. 171 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: And seeing they're playing zone. 172 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: Coverage, if it's quarters, if it's some form of the 173 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 3: old Seattle Seahawks defense, this man and man on the outside, 174 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: and so you got to be able to hold up 175 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 3: in coverage, and so you need to be athletic. You 176 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: need to be quick with your terms and transitions, and 177 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: I would say that looking at what we currently have, 178 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: I absolutely believe the jack Wars will be aggressive and 179 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: trying to upgrade the guys because you talked about two 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: high end corners of certain necessary because you got to 181 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: have three corners to really play effective defense in this league. 182 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: This Tuddle Up podcast safe he Shadwick, John Oser, Bucky Brooks, 183 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: and other news this week. Obviously, the franchise tag deadline 184 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: was March fifth, and outside linebacker Josh Allen got the tag. 185 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: The tender is twenty four million dollars. That means it's 186 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: linebacker money for him. The deadline to make a long 187 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: term deal is July fifteenth. If it doesn't get done 188 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: by then, then he would play on that twenty four 189 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: million dollar number for the season if he is to 190 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: sign the tender. And consider that he's made just over 191 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: thirty three million dollars total in his first five seasons, 192 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: I would consider yesterday a significant day if you're pretty 193 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: much guaranteed at least twenty four million dollars to play 194 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: football next year. 195 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: Either way, the. 196 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Negotiations will continue, and Bucky, there's all kind of fan 197 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: angst and things out there. For most things these days, 198 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of how it goes. But there's you know, 199 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: what does this mean for the future of Calvin Ridley 200 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: is what a lot of people are talking about. And 201 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: why couldn't they get the deal done with Josh Allen 202 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: before the deadline so they could tag Ridley? And there's 203 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: all these different ideas about how the scenario went down. 204 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Josh Allen is the 205 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: guy that was drafted here in the first round early, 206 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: who's worked his way up two Pro Bowls, had a 207 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: career season last year. He was always the priority, at 208 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: least to me. 209 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: What do you think, Bucky, Yeah, no, I think it's 210 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: something to be said for that. Let's talk about Josh 211 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: Allen first. The reason why you franchise him is because 212 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: you don't. 213 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: Want to lose him. 214 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: You are talking about a hefty race for him. He's 215 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: up to twenty four million dollars guaranteed. It'll be interesting 216 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: to see what he lects to do with the tag, 217 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: because once he signs the tag, he becomes fully guaranteed, 218 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: and that is a lot allocated. Like the thing that 219 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: jas can always do, you always remove the tag, and 220 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: so it'd be interesting to see if Alan does signed 221 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: to act. I mean he's kind of obligated to come 222 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: in and do all those things that players on the 223 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: contract are supposed to do. 224 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: Or will you wait until the very end of the. 225 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: Negotiating period before he signs the tag and comes in 226 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: and does what is uh required? 227 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: When it comes to that. 228 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: With Calvin Ridley, the funny thing has been like, uh, 229 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: justin kind of looking at Jack's Twitter. 230 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 4: I looknglasses look as a black hole. 231 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: And so the love hate fair because it went from like, 232 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: oh he needs to go to oh no, He's now 233 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: the number one receiver on the on on the market, 234 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: his paycheck is going to be big. Is it worth 235 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: retaining him? And then you're weighing Calvin Ridley versus what 236 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 3: could be available in the draft. What I can confidently 237 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: say is I don't think the Jaguars want to spend 238 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: the first round pick on a wide receiver. And so 239 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: what you have to do is, when you're doing this 240 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: uh exercise of scrimmage, you're looking at Calvin Ridley versus 241 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: the players that could be available in the second and 242 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: third round. Do you want Calvin Ridley, the experienced player 243 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: who's near thirty, who just put up a thousand yards, 244 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: or do you want what could be a young player 245 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: like maybe a Lab mccocky, but who knows if you'll 246 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: be there in the second Maybe a Ricky Piersoll from Florida, 247 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: who knows. 248 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: If he'll be there. Xavier Lagette and those things. 249 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: The history hasn't been great for the franchise of late 250 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to drafting wide receivers, and so all 251 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: of that goes into the equation when you're Doug Peterson, 252 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: Trent Balky trying to decide how high do you want 253 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: to go when it comes to the contract with Calvin Ridley, 254 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 3: because look, he's a veteran player. You know what you're 255 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: getting versus what is unknown in terms of a draft 256 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: pick coming in. 257 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: How high would that be on an annual basis in 258 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: your estimation for Calvin Ridley when he gets to the marketplace. 259 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I know it only gets hit. 260 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: The price deck is only going up now that he's 261 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: the only one. No t Higgins, no Michael Pittman, Mike 262 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: Evans is off the market like he's the best one 263 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: on the market. So teams that are desperate have to 264 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: look at it. He's a much better player than Gabe Davis, 265 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: and so we're talking about the numbers. 266 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: You maybe get into the twenty million dollar mark a 267 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: free agent. 268 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: For a free agent wide receiver, I can't imagine taking 269 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: a discount. I mean, you talk about Mike Evans signing, 270 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 3: but twenty four to twenty five. Look, man supplying demand. 271 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: Supplying demand drives up the market. 272 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: And so part of. 273 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: The reason why you want some of these deals done 274 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: early is because you don't want the market to sit 275 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: the table for what you have to band you get. 276 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 2: On the front end. 277 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: Sometimes you can avoid that, but now it's a precarious situation. 278 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: If you do Jags, how much are you willing to 279 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: spend to retain Calvin Riddy. 280 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: Look, I've been saying for two or three months, I 281 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: would want them to sign both these guys long term 282 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: because I think Josh is an incredibly safe long term pick. 283 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: When you sign that guy to a deal and you 284 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: put your head on the pillar that night, you know 285 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: what you're getting. You're not gonna worry. You're not gonna worry, 286 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: is he's not gonna show up, etc. All that stuff 287 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 4: we've talked about. I also back when in January, when 288 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 4: the tone of the fan base was why in the 289 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: world will be shines Calvin Ridley? He ran that wrong 290 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: route in Cleveland. I was saying at the time, Look, 291 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 4: you don't want to let that kind of production get 292 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: out through the window. And I've been consistent with that. 293 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: I would have signed him. Devil's advocate with Calvin would 294 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: be the opposite. And again I would have signed him. 295 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: I think he's a good, good player. They weren't that 296 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: much better offensively this year after releasing a veteran or 297 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: a playing a veteran, reliable guy that you could trust, 298 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: Marvin Jones go and now some of that was a 299 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: Jones being hurt. I'm not gonna say that Marvin Jones 300 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: is the same player as Ridley, but for that price 301 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: of twenty four, it is veteran. That you know, is 302 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: that you know Calvin at times struggled with the routes. 303 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: I mean, let's be you know, so is there a 304 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 4: little bit of, Hey, we really like this guy at 305 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: eighteen or nineteen, but boy, that might be just a 306 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 4: little bit much for us to pay when maybe we 307 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: could go this other route, maybe make it work. I 308 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: don't necessarily feel that way, but I could see that thought. 309 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd be curious. Only Calvin and his representation 310 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: can answer this part of it, Bucky. I mean, you know, 311 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: if they feel like they're in a place with a 312 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: solid quarterback and a scheme that fits them that he 313 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: already somewhat knows and can get better at, and a 314 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: new deal, does he take a little less to stay 315 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: in a non tax state? Would it kind of equal 316 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: out of the end when the washer is all done, 317 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: I wonder. 318 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: I don't think if it's that closing. 319 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: I know it's all about money. 320 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: The ex player got real quiet because ain't taken less. 321 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: I don't know about I don't know about the hometown discount. 322 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: And the reason why I don't know about the hometown 323 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: discount because you've got to remember like fair or not, 324 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: and whether it's direct or indirect. He has kind of 325 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: been cited as the problem for a lot of the 326 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: as the culprit for a lot of the Jaguars offensive problems, 327 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: right like and for a player no matter what we think, 328 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: like when it comes to money and those things like 329 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: they bristled at the point of being pointed at and 330 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: objectified as Hey, you're the reason why the offense isn't working. 331 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: You don't know the. 332 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: Routes and you're not doing this and you have some 333 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: drops and all of this other stuff. And so now 334 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: because the leverage will flip, the leverage is now in 335 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: Calvin's corner. How much is he willing to kind of 336 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: give up off of that? You know now that he 337 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: is the number one receiver on the market, and they 338 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: are teams that are desperate looking for a receiver, and 339 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: the market is saying that Mike Evans can get twenty 340 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: five million, So that might put him at twenty three 341 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: or twenty two million. When it comes to it, that's 342 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: a lot. You remember, he hasn't played in two years 343 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: and so he missed a year and some change worth 344 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: of salary. 345 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: That's the consideration. So when we think. 346 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: About the hometown discount, me not knowing anything, I'll say, yeah, nah, 347 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: that's not gonna be a consideration. It's gonna come down 348 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: to the bag and it's gonna come down to what 349 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: the Jaguars want to do. 350 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: And they can talk and say that it'll be an issue. 351 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: And here here's where it's troublesome because if you move, 352 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: let's remove Calvin from the equation. 353 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: Right. 354 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: So now you're like, oh, okay, that's cool, Zay Jones can 355 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: can do what Calvin did, but Zay Jones has been 356 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: beat up in the last two years. And so then 357 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 3: it becomes a wide receiver cord that is Christian Kirk 358 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: and Evan Ingram and a bunch of unknowns and with 359 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: a quarterback who's also about to get paid. How good 360 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: do you feel if you're building this offense around Trevor 361 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: Lawrence a try now, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk and a 362 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: possible and Jay Jones. That's not necessarily a winning spades 363 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: hand if you're a guy that likes to play cards, 364 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: and so we'll see, we'll see if that works out. 365 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: It also makes it a need. 366 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 4: It makes it a need if he walks out the door, absolutely, Oh, 367 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 4: it makes. 368 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: It a need. 369 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: And then the other part of it comes how confident 370 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: in you in uh, the coaching staff, in the organization 371 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: and developing young wide receivers. What's who's the last wide 372 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: receiver that's a homegrown product to pop. 373 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: In a major way for the Jaguars? Oh? 374 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: Boy, Alan Robbins. 375 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he didn't make it to a second 376 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: contract and earns for a couple of minutes, you. 377 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: Made strong argument the only two drafted guys are are 378 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 4: black men and Alan Robinson. 379 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So I mean so I'm just saying like that 380 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 3: that's the reality and so like so maybe some of 381 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: the clearing of the decks is that you're gonna have 382 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 3: to bite down and just say, wow, hey, we're gonna 383 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: have to overpay for Calvin because we're going to pay 384 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: for the quarterback. And so if you're want to pay 385 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: for Trevor Lawrence, and you have to make sure that 386 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: you give him everything, and so you have to take 387 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: the money from somewhere and normally the defenses to corporate 388 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: when it comes to that. 389 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Let's hear from Trent Balky at the podium at the combine, 390 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: asked about Calvin Ridley and the status of the conversations. 391 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 5: We're not real concerned with that. Whether it's a second 392 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 5: or third round. We're just going to work with the 393 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: player and see if we can come to an agreement 394 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 5: when whether that's before that compensation changes or not that 395 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 5: that remains to be seen. But we're more focused on 396 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 5: the player. Yeah, We're going to continue to have conversations 397 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 5: with all of the We've got a lot of work 398 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 5: to do this offseason. You know, I had a meeting 399 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 5: with Kelvin the other day in my office. 400 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: Had a great talk with Kelvin. 401 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 5: Know exactly where he's at, and then he knows where 402 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 5: we're at. So we're just going to continue to work 403 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 5: with all these players and try to come to some 404 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 5: form of compromise, some form of resolution as the weeks 405 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 5: go on. 406 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: Well that's the GM last week in Indianapolis, and hey, 407 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: the sick in here because the legal tampering window, if 408 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: you will, starts March eleventh, and then all of a sudden, 409 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: March thirteenth is the start of the league year and 410 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: then it's came on. 411 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what Bucky said, though, carris a lot 412 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 4: of weight. Calvin's about to turn thirty. But this is 413 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 4: his second contract, so this is you know, it's not 414 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: like he's an older player, like when Klayus came in, 415 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 4: he'd already gotten a second contract, right, Well, this is 416 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 4: sort of I mean, Calvin got paid is a first 417 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 4: round pick. But this is the opportunity. So I if 418 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: I was in a room with Calvin, I wouldn't be 419 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 4: talking about hometown discounts. Sure, And if I was Calvin, 420 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 4: I wouldn't give a hometown discount. I mean, I know 421 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: I have a chance. Right now. I'm the highest paid guy. 422 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm the highest rate receiver going in free agency. 423 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: This is the chance. This is what you dream of, 424 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 4: this is what you work for. Think about where he 425 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: came from. I mean, he didn't come from money. So 426 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 4: a chance to set up up your family for the 427 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 4: rest of their lives and for generations. Discount schmidsch count. 428 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: He's made twenty two million in change over his career, 429 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: including eleven million last year alone in the final year 430 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: of his contract, so he could make that more than 431 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: that annually. Moving ahead. 432 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't get me wrong what I said earlier. I 433 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 4: think he's really important. I think he gave them last 434 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: year a lot that they didn't have without him. I've 435 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: said multiple times, I think there's bare minimum they don't 436 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: beat Buffalo over there if he's not in the field. 437 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 4: And I think there are a couple other games. I 438 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 4: mean a strong argument that he was the difference in 439 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 4: two or three games. So how you replace that's a 440 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 4: big deal. 441 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: It is a big deal. And so here's where relationships matter. 442 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: We can talk about the bag and all that, and 443 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: it is certainly a function, But does Calvin Field wanted 444 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: by the people in the building. 445 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Does he feel wanted by the general manager, the head coach, 446 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: and the position coaches around him? What is that relationship like? 447 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 3: Because Dad can have some sway when it comes down 448 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: to do I want to leave? 449 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: Do I want to uproot my family and go elsewhere? 450 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: Or do I feel like I've settled in to the community. 451 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: I feel good about my teammates, I love playing with 452 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: my quarterback in those things, and so I won't completely 453 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: dismissing and say that the bag is everything. Those relationships 454 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: can matter when the negotiation is tight, but the negotiation 455 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: has to be close enough that we're not talking about 456 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: a significant chunk of change that we're leaving on the 457 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: table just to feel good about playing in. 458 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: Duvall live like a VIP with a Daily's Place Blue 459 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: membership to see the Dave Matthews Band, The Doobie Brothers, 460 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: Parker McCollum, Two Door Cinema Club, New Kids on the Block, 461 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: and so much more, and you'll enjoy guaranteed seats and 462 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: the best locations, bringing up marking and much more. Email 463 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: ticketing at wholdevents dot com. Well Cold nine oh four 464 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: six three three two thousand. When we return, some pending 465 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: free agents and maybe some possible rule change could affect 466 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: some decisions. That's after this on the Huddle Up Podcast. 467 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick, John 468 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: Osier and Bucky Brooks and the Jaguars are celebrating their 469 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: thirtieth season, and the time to get your twenty twenty 470 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: four season ticket membership is right now. Be at the 471 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: bank for every touchdown at secure your seats at Jaguars 472 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets. We'll call nine oh four six 473 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: three three two thousand. Well, there's a number of pending 474 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: free agents for the Jaguars that you can still do 475 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: business with up until they are free agents March thirteenth, 476 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: officially at four o'clock. You know, I'm curious. We've talked 477 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: about obviously Ridley and Allen, and those are the two 478 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: big big names. I like, Jamal Agnew's coming free as well, 479 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: kick returner, and there's all this talk about possible kickoff changes, 480 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: rule changes. There seems to be a little momentum at 481 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: least whether it gets done this offseason or not, who knows, 482 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: But I wonder how Bucky from I'm gonna ask the 483 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: the former special teams players slash coordinator here, would that 484 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: change how you approach pending free agents that you like, 485 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: and especially in Jamal Agnew's case, one of the best 486 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: returners in football already, were the rules as they are, 487 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: if he has a chance, well, in theory, he'll have 488 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: more chances if the rules changed to the xfl Air 489 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: quotes style of kickoff return. What do you think? 490 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: No, I think it's a significant development. 491 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 3: If they're trying to bring in bring back the kickoff return, 492 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 3: it does change the way that you prioritize Jamal Agnew 493 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: because now the return game becomes another part of the offense. 494 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 3: And one thing that we do know is he's a 495 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl returner. We have seen him flip the field. 496 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: We seen him change games with a big return. You 497 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: would like to think that give him more opportunities. He's 498 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: going to continue to do so, no matter how it 499 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: changes schematically between the lines. 500 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: Being able to add that hidden. 501 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: Yardage to an offense that's expected to be better going 502 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: into the third year under Doug Peterson. Yeah, that's a 503 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 3: big get. And he also is kind of like what 504 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: I call a bonus player. 505 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: If you bring him back, you now not. 506 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: Only get the bonus of what he doesn't on kickoff 507 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: returns and punt returns, but you get what he's able 508 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: to do as a gadget player. 509 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: We've seen him make some big plays on the offense. 510 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with all that he's important. Often with 511 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 4: returners as they age, they can get lost in the 512 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: shuffle in decision makings like this. I'm not saying this 513 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 4: team doesn't prioritize Jamal, but this will be his what 514 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 4: he got here under Irvin in one I mean twenty one. Yeah, 515 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: I think it's fifty to fifty on this one. I 516 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: think he's really important. He was hurt and out quite 517 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: a bit this last year, but hurt a little bit. 518 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: I don't quite know how that'll factor in. But as 519 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 4: I said with Calvin, there are certain guys who give 520 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 4: you impact. And I'm not sure they beat the Colts 521 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 4: without his return in week one, So how are you 522 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: going to replace it if it's not here. I don't 523 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: have a real feel he makes a lot of money 524 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 4: for a returner, So I think this is what to watch. 525 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: So now what you do is so you're jugging, so 526 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: you can't keep everything, you can't keep everybody right. So 527 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: we sat here we made a case for Calvin, We 528 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: made a case for Jamal. I would say you opt 529 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: for Calvin over Jamal. You then look at Parker Washington. 530 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: How good do you feel about his ability as a 531 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 3: return Is he ready to be the next one? If 532 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: he's not ready, who is maybe a young, cheap returner 533 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: that we can kind of bring into the fold. Is 534 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: there someone that you can draft and maybe you're intrigued 535 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: by their return ability if the kickoff return is going 536 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 3: to and play And now kind of falls on the 537 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: scouts to kind of dig deeper when it comes to 538 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 3: the evaluation, a are they any rookie returners that can 539 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: come in and maybe give us an immediate impact given 540 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: the new rules and more opportunities that these returnership face 541 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: and the years going forward. 542 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: So obviously the timing of this is is going to 543 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: be of interest. The annual meeting is in what late 544 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: March in Orlando might be too soon for. Then there 545 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: was the fair catch rule was implemented in May of 546 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: last offseason where you could fair catch on kickoffs. It 547 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: was a one year trial, so in theory it could 548 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: be done at some point later in this offseason, but 549 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: then the draft over by then, so you know, like 550 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: free agencies opens before the next annually, the annual meeting, 551 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: and then the draft is over before the May meetings. 552 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think a lot of times you kind 553 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: of get a feel for the winds right to see 554 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 3: the wins kind of let you know, like this is 555 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 3: happening and that Yeah, like you, it seems like teams 556 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: are vested in this. That the league didn't like that 557 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 3: the kickoff became a throwaway play, and so there seems 558 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: like there's some momentum building that you want to bring 559 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: the return back into the game. And so if you're 560 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: gonna bring the return in, you need to start thinking about, Okay, 561 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 3: how do we want to attack the return game? And 562 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that he that means that we're automatically 563 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 3: gonna sign Jamal Agnew, But it does mean he when 564 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: we're looking at the college prospects, the wide receivers and 565 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 3: dbs and the guys who have return value, are there 566 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: guys that we like because normally those things are evaluated 567 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: by a special teams coach. 568 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: Hey, give me a list of guys that you like 569 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: in the return game. Okay, let's cross. 570 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: Let's compare Jamal Agnew at this salary versus these young guys, 571 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: and what you can what what else you can add 572 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: to the team by removing Jamal's salary, all of those 573 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: things into the conversation when you begin to do those evaluations. 574 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope I say this right, But some competition. 575 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 4: Many people told me a long time ago that the 576 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 4: Commentation Committee doesn't like rules that sort of make the 577 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 4: game look different. If you're watching it in a bar 578 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 4: with the sound down and the kickoff return sort of 579 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 4: being thrown out when you're sort of just watching the 580 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 4: game casually, it looks weird, right, Like it feels like 581 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: you've taken something away from the game. So I think 582 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 4: they'd like to get it back safer, you know, and 583 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: find a better middle ground there for safety's sake than 584 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: what they've had. So I do think they'll try to 585 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: do whatever they can to get it back to where 586 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 4: it at least looks like it used to. I hope 587 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: that made sense, But. 588 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: It does make sense because, like I mean, you took 589 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 3: a play that was such a prominent play. Obviously, as 590 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: a former returner, I always appreciated the kickoff return. We 591 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: have Devin Hester going into Hall of Fame as one 592 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: of the best who ever do it and it's been removed, right, 593 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: And it's a huge, huge play as an offensive player 594 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: that you want to see some of those dynamic plays. 595 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: I mean, shot, we've been on both ends of. 596 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: It where we've had Jamal make big plays and we 597 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: saw the other team, the Houston Texans, take one back 598 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: and it changed the game. Uh, you want that to 599 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: be a part of the strategy. You want that to 600 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 3: be a part of the team building process. So hopefully 601 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: they find a way to find a nice middle ground 602 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: where they can. 603 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: Bring it in while keeping the numbers down. From a 604 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: safety standpoint. 605 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: I'd be curious too, is there enough information on how 606 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: it affects a game yet? I mean, there's XFL used 607 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: it for one year, you know, and I think there's 608 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: seasons about to crank up again. Do you kind of 609 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: let them experiment with it one more time to get 610 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: some more data on it or does that even equate 611 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: for you? I mean, maybe we're. 612 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 4: Digging fel They can always bring it in as one 613 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: of those trial. 614 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: Rule, the trial rule, Right, that's possible, but you know 615 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: it's we're digging in the week. 616 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yeah, But I think I think I 617 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: think there there were so few returns. They want that 618 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: to come back. There are people that are like, I 619 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: mean the ball hasn't even been kicked and you got 620 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: the Iron Cross. 621 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: You know, people just Super Bowl had no return, no 622 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: return at. 623 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we want to see the ball return. 624 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 3: We want to see some of that coming to it. 625 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: It is a really exciting play and there's nothing like 626 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: having a big kick return that juices up the stadium. 627 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: It kind of gets the momentum going. We would like 628 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: to see it. 629 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: I mean, the casual fan, I would think would even 630 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: like to see that come back. 631 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: All right. Upcoming schedule Jaguar's Happy Hour Radio tomorrow at 632 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: four o'clock. Brian Sexton and Jeff Logman will have that 633 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: for you on ten ten xcel am on Thursday. The 634 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: negotiation window March eleven through thirteen. The league year starts 635 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: March thirteenth at four o'clock. The NFL Annual Meeting March 636 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: twenty fourth through twenty seven. The offseason program begins April fifteenth. 637 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: The Draft is April twenty fifth through twenty seventh. The 638 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: schedule at least probably in early May. That's the lay 639 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: of the land. 640 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: John Yeah, and the combines in the rearview. Sorry, Buck, 641 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 4: it's all good. 642 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: It's all good. 643 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 4: There's what you do between now and next late February. 644 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: Just hang. 645 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot to talk about the draft. 646 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: The draft is until April, you know, and then you know, 647 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 3: my favorite time of year is the summertime where we 648 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: got O T a's in mini camps. You know how 649 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: important headways, you know how you know how minicamp performers 650 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: translates into regular season production. 651 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: So I'm excited for all of those things that are 652 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: hit for us. 653 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 4: I already have my laid out. 654 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: For all and John's ready to chart throws and stack. 655 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 4: I got four notebooks for dry fit for dry fits, 656 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 4: shirt and I am straw hat. Just stay out of 657 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 4: the way. Share I'm going, yeah, come on, gonna. 658 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: Make the happ Bucky will talk to you again next week. 659 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 4: Appreciate it as always, all right, Buddy, looking. 660 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: For Bucky Brooks, John Osher. I'm JP Shaddwick. Thanks to 661 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: Joe Fortunado and Brent Reeber, and thanks to you for 662 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.