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Speaker 2: Chloe is on the phone today for a first day

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Speaker 2: follow up, and she's getting ghosted by a guy named Ethan.

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Speaker 2: So in a little bit we'll call him and see

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Speaker 2: if he'll tell us why he's ghostinger and maybe get

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Speaker 2: her another date if she still wants one. But first, Chloe,

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Speaker 2: how long has it been since you heard from Ethan?

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Speaker 3: Oh? My gosh, it's been two weeks. And I, you know,

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Speaker 3: I am just so nervous about it because I really

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Speaker 2: You'll tell us about the date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't expecting anything on this date, but Ethan

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Speaker 3: came like a gentleman. He showed a lot of chivalry.

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Speaker 3: He was just it was just like so refreshing because

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Speaker 3: we went to a vintage bookstore and then I was like,

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Speaker 3: I want to text him again. I'll admit that I

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Speaker 3: And so I just need a little help on like

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's busy, but it's been two weeks and

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Speaker 3: I don't think that he could be that busy. I'm hoping.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I have been I tend to overanalyze a lot,

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Speaker 2: Wait, how did you leave it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? He you know, he kissed me good night. It

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Speaker 2: And you never heard from him again after that.

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Speaker 3: No, And so I'm thinking, did he lose his phone,

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I have been replaying this over and over.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what guy does that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty fast connection. We'll see if we

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, thank you, all right, Well play a.

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Speaker 2: Right in the middle of your first Day follow up

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Speaker 2: if you're just joining us, Chloe is on the phone

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Speaker 2: and she's getting ghosted by a guy named Ethan. So

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I haven't heard from Ethan and like two weeks.

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Speaker 3: But which is really confusing because we had such a

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Speaker 3: We went to a vintage bookstore, grabbed some coffee, having

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for us to call him?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I hope he's okay.

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Speaker 5: Here we go. Hello, Hi, man, I speak to Ethan. Please,

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Speaker 2: What's up? How are you? My name is Jewbel, I'm

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Speaker 2: calling from a radio show. It's called The Jebel Show. Hi,

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Speaker 6: I'm doing? Okay?

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Speaker 2: We do a second went on our show called the

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Speaker 2: First Date follow Up. What that is is if you

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Speaker 2: go out with someone and they end up ghosting you,

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Speaker 2: phone and ask why they're ghosting you. So you went

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Speaker 2: on a date about two weeks ago with somebody named Chloe.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Chloe emailed us and she told us all

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Speaker 6: Well, the day was really fun and I had a

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Speaker 6: it's the humming.

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Speaker 2: She hummed, like what do you mean, like while she

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Speaker 6: She hummed like the whole time, like at the bookstore,

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Speaker 6: So at one point I asked her, I used to

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Speaker 6: Did have a good time with her. It just it

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Speaker 3: Oh I, Oh my god, Ethan, I'm so sorry. I

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Speaker 6: Yeah? You pretty much hummed since the moment you walked

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Speaker 3: I really do want to go out on a date

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Speaker 3: with you, and that would be on my conscious don't hum,

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Speaker 3: Make sure I don't hum, make sure I don't hem.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're making it, Ethan, would you like to go

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Speaker 2: on another date with Chloe? Will pay for it? She

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Speaker 2: says that she can stop the hum.

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Speaker 6: Can I make a request for while your homming?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? I will pick requests from you.

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Speaker 6: All right, it's kind of cute. Now that you said

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Speaker 6: that you're nervous. That makes a little bit more of

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Speaker 6: a cute thing, and then we can acknowledge instead of

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Speaker 6: it being healthy. So yeah, i'm in, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: I went from Chris cute real fast. Congratulations, Chloe, you

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Speaker 2: got another date.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 2: Jubile's first date fallow up