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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome to Always Hungry from My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: My name is Bobby Flay, and I'm here with my

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Speaker 1: daughter and co host. I'm Sophie, and I'm Always Hungry.

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Speaker 1: Sophie and I gather around my stove to cook together. Well,

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Speaker 1: you cook, I asked the questions, and eat the food

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Speaker 1: if there's any food left. We come to the table

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Speaker 1: together to share a meal, connect as a family, and

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Speaker 1: tell the stories that matter to us. Today we're talking

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Speaker 1: about one of our favorite food groups. I mean, every

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Speaker 1: culture has fried chicken, a version of a fried chicken.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what could be better? Hot oil, a great batter,

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Speaker 1: and fried away fried chicken. Everybody, Yes, let's get it.

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Speaker 1: We're making some fried chicken. Make some fried chicken, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna use chicken thighs. Well, we can use the

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Speaker 1: whole chicken obviously, but I just want to make some

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Speaker 1: chicken th today. So basically what I'm doing is I have,

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Speaker 1: if you notice, I have this in some buttermilk chicken

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Speaker 1: and yeah, and some buttermilk and some buttermilk, and then

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make a dredge mixture of some all

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Speaker 1: purpose flour some coin starch, which helps to make it crispy,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna put some panco bread comes in

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Speaker 1: here as well for some texture. All of that gets seasoned.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what we got here. I'm gonna use some

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Speaker 1: garlic powder, granulated garlic rather, and maybe some fennel seed.

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Speaker 1: How does that sound sound great? And a little how

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Speaker 1: about some tumoric too. The tumork is not going to

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Speaker 1: it a cool color. Just a little bit of tumeric.

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Speaker 1: You like that deal? Yeah? Um, I use this when

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Speaker 1: I make my fried chicken sandwiches for Bobby's burgers. Little

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Speaker 1: fennel seed, granulated garlic, and then some salt and pepper,

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Speaker 1: and I think maybe some paprika as well. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about that? Sounds really good? Fried chicken? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean fried chicken is um it's one of the

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Speaker 1: great things on earth. Yep. It's crispy, it's chicken fried,

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Speaker 1: it's very crevable. It's so it's so good. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when uh, when I think of fried chicken, the first

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Speaker 1: thing I think it was sort of Southern fried chicken,

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Speaker 1: you know, usually has it's very simple, you know something.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe soaked in buttermilk. It's then you know,

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Speaker 1: then there's a flower dredge and thrown in some some

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Speaker 1: hot oil and fried. And that's basically, you know, the

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Speaker 1: very basic, you know, fried chicken. But and there's different

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Speaker 1: there's different styles of fried chicken all over the South,

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Speaker 1: of course, and then there's different styles of fried chicken

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Speaker 1: all over the United States based on the region. But

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Speaker 1: there's also in my opinion, every culture in the world

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Speaker 1: has a version of a chicken that's fried. So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just talk to you a little bit about I

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Speaker 1: have a a method of cooking fried chicken that you know,

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Speaker 1: it might be looked down upon by fried chicken aficionados.

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple of different ways of fried chicken.

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Speaker 1: You can deep fried chicken, of course, you can also

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Speaker 1: shallow fried chicken or skill it fried chicken like in

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Speaker 1: a cast iron pant, where it's like shallow oil, so

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Speaker 1: it's like it's just coming up halfway up the chicken.

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Speaker 1: So you're basically frying one side at a time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: deep fried seems to be more evenly cooked, and it

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Speaker 1: keeps and and the it keeps the chicken the shape

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Speaker 1: of the chicken when you skill it fried chicken. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it gets flatter depending on the cut. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: all kinds of decisions you have to make. Are you

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Speaker 1: going to use skin on, bone in? Are you going

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Speaker 1: or you're just gonna use thighs, A you're just gonna

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways you could go, and

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Speaker 1: So the breast has two pieces, bone in, skin on,

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Speaker 1: like golden color. It's up to you. But the most

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Speaker 1: I'm guaranteeing one thing. I'm guaranteeing that the chicken is

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Speaker 1: going to be cooked properly inside. Is this what you

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Speaker 1: do with Bobby's No, because that's just a chicken breast sandwich,

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Speaker 1: different meat. Yeah, that it just goes quicker. This is

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Speaker 1: of the like fried chicken is one of these things

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Speaker 1: there's two things that have to happen. You wanted crispy

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Speaker 1: it is. There's too many variables. The variables are how

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Speaker 1: So all I'm doing is I turn the heat up

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Speaker 1: get a crispier result, a crispier and it's actually a

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Speaker 1: and then all I'm looking for is crispy, golden brown.

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Speaker 1: I know that the inside will be cooked. Right. What

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Speaker 1: think it's smart. I think that's a good idea. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to cook in a canoe oil chicken self.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take the chicken out, put it in

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Speaker 1: it's going to cool down that oil. So you don't

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Speaker 1: want to overfill it. Got it smells really good. Well,

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Speaker 1: Fried chicken sandwiches my favorite. I was kind of smiling

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Speaker 1: Fried Chicken. Oh it's Sarah Toga and I is it

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Speaker 1: And I just looked it up, and like the whole

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Speaker 1: well I looked at the Fried Chicken episode and you

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Speaker 1: sara Toga Springs, New York. Did you win? That's Hattie's

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Speaker 1: Fried Chicken the Best. Well, Hattie's there there. I actually

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Speaker 1: I never met her, but I think I actually saw Hattie.

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Speaker 1: and there's a place called Hattie's. Hattie doesn't. She's not

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Speaker 1: like because you know, it is so good, so so good.

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Speaker 1: But like you know that place it's it's it's Southern

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Speaker 1: fried chicken, you know, but it's upstate New York. But everybody,

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Speaker 1: So you know, then there's all kinds of other fried chicken.

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Speaker 1: Like I was looking at there's a Mexican style fried

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Speaker 1: fried chicken. A recipe name a recipe from this woman

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Speaker 1: named Patti Hinitch, who who is an amazing Mixic Mexican cook.

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Speaker 1: so good. She's so knowledgeable. You know. They put like

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Speaker 1: chili the arball and Wahio chili is like in the

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Speaker 1: You know, something like that's good. You know, Korean fried

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Speaker 1: kore fried chicken and beer. You know that they had

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Speaker 1: bluecorn fried chicken a lot. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: glaze fried chicken with old Bay and I can't remind

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Speaker 1: writing lemon. I think it says len. Also old Bay

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Speaker 1: another one. This one sounds really good. Garlic and ginger

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Speaker 1: That sounds delicious. Yea five spice fried chicken. So Chinese

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Speaker 1: your refrigerator right now, everybody, go to your refrigerator right now.

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Speaker 1: Look at your pickle jar that's half empty and you

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Speaker 1: That is such a good thing to use. You can

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Speaker 1: marrinate your chicken in it. I love it for potato salad.

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Speaker 1: You make really good potatoes. Use it in my potatoes.

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Speaker 1: You make messed up good potato salad. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: hear that. Hear that, well, I hear that that's not

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Speaker 1: a fake podcast. Sound those are frying chicken, That is Carisby.

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Speaker 1: I would often to make you friad chicken sailing, but

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Speaker 1: I don't have any cole slaw. It is imperative. How

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Speaker 1: many is this in here? Well, it's a great questions.

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Speaker 1: You have to remember like this, These these don't even

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Speaker 1: of course this thing is like taken awful across the country.

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Speaker 1: But Nashville hot fried chicken and this recipe the six

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Speaker 1: So like in this in the Bunappe Tea one, the

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Speaker 1: it is so good. It's just the one that they

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Speaker 1: I'll have to do that, Howling Rays, I'm there. We

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Speaker 1: went to Blue Ribbons. I like blue ribbons fried chicken.

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Speaker 1: What what did they say? They make their their fried

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Speaker 1: chicken with mazza mazza meal to put matza meal in

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Speaker 1: It's called day Bird. The chicken. Yeah, there you go,

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Speaker 1: and they're their hottest option. It's called howling, and you

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Speaker 1: you could literally use ghost peppers as a weapon. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not into that that part of it. You don't

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Speaker 1: gets so hot that you can't taste the actual food,

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Speaker 1: what's the purpose do you watch the show Hot Ones.

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Speaker 1: I love that show. Yeah, I think it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: You should go on that show. They haven't asked me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, please make my dad cool and I'm

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Speaker 1: going Hot Ones? Please? Does that make me cool? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Clearly I'm not cool. Let's see some fried chicken sandwiches.

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