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Speaker 1: Robert Deaton, big time TV producer. I mean, he's done

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Speaker 1: so much. I don't even want to call you. What

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Speaker 1: do you call yourself? What is what do you do

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Speaker 1: for a living? I am in the entertainment business, But

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Speaker 1: that's what you say. I guess so because I do

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Speaker 1: so many different things. Yeah, that's why I was like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what do I even call Robert? So

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Speaker 1: um because I want to talk about a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But like, you produce the c m A s, the

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Speaker 1: CMA Country Christmas, the Billboard Awards, the c m A,

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Speaker 1: the big show outside the c m A Festival. I've done,

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Speaker 1: like hunt tons of music videos. I did The Passion

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Speaker 1: with Tyler Perry. You did that? I did that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was That was in the last five years. That

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Speaker 1: That was fun. It was hard, but it was fun.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting to you because when I was growing up

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Speaker 1: We would go up and we would it was a

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Speaker 1: big deal to watch the Passion play. And people travel

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Speaker 1: one tiny place in Arkansas to watch this this passion play.

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Speaker 1: And I remember whenever you guys, and it wasn't exactly

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it's about. Like there's some weird

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Speaker 1: pressure to that, right, Yeah, you don't you know, the

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Speaker 1: most pressure I ever had because you don't want to

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Speaker 1: let Jesus down. Did it rain or something crazy? Like?

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Speaker 1: It rained every day during rehearsal when we rehearsed Trish Yearwood,

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Speaker 1: It was completely raining. We never did one rehearsal. Uh,

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Speaker 1: all of it was in the rain until we did

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Speaker 1: the show. Now, let me ask you for Itill like,

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Speaker 1: if you if it's raining every day and you're doing

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Speaker 1: Jesus talking to me right now. The whole project, the

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Speaker 1: but you know, what Tyler Perry the man can throw

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Speaker 1: down a prayer. He is, He's incredible. It was like

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Speaker 1: and he would. It was like, I wish I had

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Speaker 1: He's just he's he's awesome. He's awesome. So as a producer,

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Speaker 1: what does a producer do? Because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: So like if we were to go talk to explain it,

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Speaker 1: creative decision goes through me? So set design, lighting design,

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Speaker 1: everything goes through me, every creative decision. Just I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: you get you know, growing up, I was all growing up,

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Speaker 1: He came over from Kimmel who was the music booker. Scott. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me because I'm not out in the audience, so all

426
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Speaker 1: I can react off of is what I hear, you know,

427
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Speaker 1: on television because what and also, by the way, I'm

428
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm backstage, right behind the stage, so there's so many

429
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Speaker 1: things going on. I think that, Um, there's been some

430
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Speaker 1: you know, there's been things where I thought, oh, you know,

431
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure or maybe going after people. Do you

432
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Speaker 1: ever think about that, like maybe we shouldn't go after

433
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Speaker 1: the situation. Well, here's the thing that we try to do.

434
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Speaker 1: We try, you know. We we hope that we're not

435
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Speaker 1: hurting anybody's feelings that they are that for example, Blake

436
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: is always a great sport. Tim and Faith they're like

437
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: they love it. The first couple of years, I will

438
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: tell you the truth, Well, especially three four five, we

439
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: we had to stop doing the monologue and dress rehearsal

440
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: because I would get back. We do the dress rehearsal

441
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: the day of show. I get back to my office

442
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: and there be ten managers. You can't say that about them.

443
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: You can't say that, you know, it's like really that

444
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: it's funny, you know what. And they would want me

445
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: to take it out of the opening monologue, like not

446
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, this is this is what we're doing.

447
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: And so we stopped doing We don't do a rehearsal anymore. Uh.

448
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: The first time that Brad and Carey do it on

449
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: stage is the first time that they is. You see

450
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Speaker 1: it on network television. And now I will tell you

451
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Speaker 1: this that. Uh So there's there have been a few

452
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: things where things took off, like for example, that we

453
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Speaker 1: didn't intend, you know, for example, the year Um Kerry

454
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: said the line yeah and I'm pretty sure that's why

455
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: the Democrats lost the Senate. It was whoa who you know?

456
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: And we're like, really, that was a that was a

457
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Speaker 1: throwaway line that was you know, we weren't even thinking

458
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Speaker 1: that that was even anything that anybody would even think about. Uh.

459
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Speaker 1: And then there was oh, Obamacare by morning, where it

460
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Speaker 1: was like we got all this the next day, like

461
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Speaker 1: we can't believe you said this stuff about the president

462
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and we're like no, no, no, no,

463
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Speaker 1: we just were making fun of a slow website. We

464
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: never you know, so things like that that take on

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Speaker 1: its own life. You know. It was that we're surprised

466
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Speaker 1: sometimes about people interpret some of that thing, those things

467
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: under For example, the Blake and Randa thing was so big.

468
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: It was such a big thing, and they have two

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Speaker 1: different personalities. Haven't gotten to know them. Blake, we'll talk,

470
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Speaker 1: Branda doesn't want to, but it's almost like an elephant

471
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Speaker 1: in the room. How do you well, you know, how

472
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Speaker 1: we did it. We didn't address it with Miranda. That

473
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Speaker 1: exactly how you just described it was how we handled

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Speaker 1: it because we knew there was no way it would

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Speaker 1: hurt Miranda's feelings, I feel like, and we wouldn't want

476
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Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, it was just you know,

477
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Speaker 1: we kind of gave it to Blake a little bit,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, um, but not not much. You know, we

479
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Speaker 1: just weren't going to make a big that would have

480
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Speaker 1: been wrong for us to do, um, you know, especially

481
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Speaker 1: something that was again we're not there to hurt anybody's feelings,

482
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: and that was not the right time or the place.

483
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Speaker 1: This m A Awards and where the we feel like,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, we're the oscars of country music and two

485
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: to do something that was, you know, obviously painful for

486
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Speaker 1: both of them. Uh, just wouldn't have been the right

487
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: thing to do, but it's And I'm fascinated with jokes

488
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: because I'm a writer and a joke teller, So I

489
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Speaker 1: think we could probably do two hours on just the

490
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Speaker 1: philosophy of of writing a monologue. But it was such

491
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Speaker 1: the the current event, and not even because it was good,

492
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: but that's what everybody was talking about. And when you

493
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Speaker 1: get up and you have to talk about what everybody's

494
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: talking about, it kind of puts you, guys in a

495
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: bind because what if you're saying what if you saying nothing? Well,

496
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: we talked about if I remember correctly, we you know

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Speaker 1: that we talked about the breakup in the room, you know,

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Speaker 1: and uh, everybody knows what we're talking about. And just

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Speaker 1: so the misdirect is it was Kermit and ms Piggy,

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00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then and everybody felt that got it

501
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Speaker 1: was addressed without it being addressed. Without it being addressed,

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Speaker 1: I've got just some blutz puckered like crazy. I mean, well,

503
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Speaker 1: and here's the thing, we just we felt like it

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Speaker 1: needed to be addressed and we would, but uh. And

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Speaker 1: then what we did was is there was a beat,

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Speaker 1: you know, we showed Kermit ms Piggy out in the

507
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Speaker 1: audience and then uh, and then the next beat was Brad, so,

508
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: how's it going, Blake, you know, and we cut to

509
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Speaker 1: Blake and he laughs, you know, and so you know,

510
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Speaker 1: again that was a touchy situation for everyone, for everybody

511
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Speaker 1: who touch for me, and I wasn't having to do

512
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Speaker 1: the national TV show, you know, I had both people.

513
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: One of them wanted to come on the radio and

514
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Speaker 1: talk all about it, and one of them was like,

515
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Speaker 1: I don't want anybody talking about it. And the thing

516
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Speaker 1: about it is they're both great artists, uh, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: and have been very important to the c m A

518
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Speaker 1: Awards and country music and what they've done and individually, uh,

519
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Speaker 1: what they've done. Just you know, I just had Blake

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Speaker 1: on the telethon last week, you know, uh, for Hand

521
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Speaker 1: in Hand where we raise money raised what million dollars

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Speaker 1: And then when I left, it was only like ten

523
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: and I woke up the next morning it was the

524
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Speaker 1: next day. It was like it was crazy. And then

525
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Speaker 1: you know, Miranda has done so much with Mutt Nation

526
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: and it's like you just you can't you know what,

527
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Speaker 1: that would have been another thing. Uh, as far as

528
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: writing the joke, that would have been the easy way

529
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Speaker 1: is to the easy way would have been to go through,

530
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Speaker 1: you know, to do something off color. But we're more

531
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Speaker 1: clever than that. I feel like we tried to be

532
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: clever and we tried not to hurt anybody's feelings. So

533
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, to me, last year, the crazy part was

534
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: it was Game seven of the World Series of versus

535
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: the c m as. That was crazy first of all,

536
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: as like, I'm a die hard sports fan, I'm a

537
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: dire coach fan, and at when the couple one three one,

538
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: you had to be feeling pretty good that it is

539
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: it gonna go game seven, right, Like you had to

540
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: be feeling pretty good, correct, because that's worth case scenario

541
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: that they come back and went three in a row. Yeah,

542
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: so game six you gotta be like, come on, come

543
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: on Indians, like you were you the biggest Indian fan ever?

544
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Game six? Oh absolutely no. I was pulling for the

545
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Cubs when it started. When it started, yeah, but then

546
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: it was like no, then then I had to switch.

547
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, now that was it was um, you

548
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: know what it was demoralizing. Actually, at first when we

549
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: realized that they were gonna Game seven, it was terrible.

550
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: But then you know what, what am I gonna do?

551
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean I I stayed that way for like thirty minutes,

552
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: and it was like I still got a show to do,

553
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: and you know what, it's still going to live in

554
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: the universe forever and and so people are gonna be

555
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: So it was just like, you know what, We're just

556
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: gonna do the best we can. We still retain n

557
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: of our ain't uh seven percent of our audience, which

558
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: is amazing considering that the Cubs an't once is ight

559
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: and even the less than casual sports fan. I wanted

560
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: to flip over and see, that's why it was such

561
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: a good number for you guys, because that was that

562
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: was a huge victory well exactly, and just think of

563
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: what our number would have been had it I mean,

564
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: we were attaining nine seven percent of our audience, So

565
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: what would that number of been if we hadn't have

566
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: been against Game seven? I wanted did they come to you?

567
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Because I remember the next day looking at it, and frankly,

568
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: I was like, man, everybody, because I did the right

569
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: carpet for television and my girlfriend played with Carry. Lindsay

570
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: L played guitar for Carry that night, and so I

571
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: was told I was torn. I was like, oh, so

572
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I watched. Then I had to kind of a diary

573
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: Cubs fan, and so I did. I was back if

574
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: I went, and then I came back, and then I

575
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: flipped and I did it all back and forth, and

576
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder. The next day woke up,

577
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder what the rating is for

578
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: the for your Awards show? And I was like, wow. Honestly,

579
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: I was a little blown away that it was that high.

580
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Not because the show wasn't good, because let's show it's fantastic,

581
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: but that that's a that was a once in a

582
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: lifetime sporting event and it still did so well. So

583
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: does ABC go, hey man, great freaking job. Like even

584
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: like they had to write, they did, Yes, they did.

585
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: They were they were ecstatic, Like what a victory, even though,

586
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: like you said, you retained almost all the year before.

587
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: But who would have thought you go up against the

588
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: one time in baseball in our whole the biggest baseball

589
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: game of our entire life. Yeah, you're up against Yes,

590
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Congratulations because that's a win. It is a win,

591
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: and I was very proud of the show. But you know,

592
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: and you know what, do you know what? Um? Again,

593
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: the rating is important, it's the it is the important thing, um.

594
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: But the other thing is for our our artist in

595
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: our genre and any show that I'm doing it again,

596
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: it is where it also lives in the universe. Think

597
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: about the uh justin Timberlake Chris Stapleton moment. I mean

598
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: that following week it had been viewed by over twenty

599
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: million people. That's in addition to our audience that's watching

600
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: it live on television. So people are just like late

601
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: night television. You know, people are finding these things or

602
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: finding the performances, or finding the monologue or finding all

603
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: these all this content in different places. It's not the

604
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: same thing as it was five years even five years ago.

605
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I have you to think for a big part of

606
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: my career that that some things that I get to

607
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: do as far as breaking artists. So I'll set you

608
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: up with the story and then you'll see where you

609
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: come into play here. Uh man, it's been now. I

610
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: don't even know the timeline, but I can't. There was

611
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: this artist that lived in towny is a songwriter and

612
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: I kept bringing him in and nobody knew. It was

613
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: I can't bring him in, and yet you never record

614
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: out or anything. I called him the first time ever

615
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: called him. I called him my homeies in the shower

616
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: and he was like, let me go, let me go back.

617
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm wet in the shower. I'm like cool. So it

618
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: came up nobody, he was blew the root roof off.

619
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Speaker 1: Second time came up. No. I started getting in trouble

620
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: for bringing him in because my bosses who don't some

621
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: of them don't listen to the show because they're nash

622
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: or they're in New York or l A. And they're like, hey,

623
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: people are reporting back that Bobby who has five million listeners,

624
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: So why is he playing this unknown artist on the

625
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: show that doesn't have any hits. So my direct boss said, hey,

626
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: what what are you buying this dude? I was like,

627
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: trust me, he's really good. And then thank you Robert

628
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: Deaton because you put Stapleton on with Justin timber Lake,

629
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: and it was it's that's the I think it's the

630
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: biggest moment in the in the last five years of

631
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: the CMA. I think that's the biggest moment that and

632
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how you because I want to ask

633
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: what that what went into that decision? But you made

634
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: me look brilliant, like you putting that and creating that.

635
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: That's what made Stapleton what he is. The people he

636
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: already was awesome, people just hadn't yet. He would come

637
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: to my studio blown a way. I'd be like, how

638
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: is this guy not something? But you're the one who

639
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: put them on. And because of you, I get to

640
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: break artists like crazy now like my companies like you

641
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: know what I quit? You just do you? And because

642
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: you put those two together, they finally gave me the

643
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: you go ahead, Okay, well we'll leave you alone. So

644
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: I gotta know, first of all, thank you very much

645
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: for that. Secondly, how did that come together? Well? I

646
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: had been already in touch with Justin for several years

647
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out a way to get him

648
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: on the show. We were close. One year, we thought

649
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: we were going to do a remote from I think

650
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: he was in New Jersey. Uh, And then you know what,

651
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: his manager call and said, listen, he he definitely wants

652
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: to do the c m A Awards one day, but

653
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: he wants when he does them, he wants to do

654
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: him in the room. He wants to be there. I'm like,

655
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: I totally get it, you know what, he should be

656
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: here because this is a great room. You know. It's

657
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: like if if you're an artist and you haven't done

658
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: the CIMA Awards, it's like, I have people at a

659
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: genre all the time going. I had the best time.

660
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: It was awesome. I loved the people that there's writers

661
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just great. So, uh, I've I've

662
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: found out through christ Appleton's management that they were friends

663
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: and uh and so I reached out and Chris reached out,

664
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: but we both reached out. When you got the yeah,

665
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: he'll do it, it was on the phone with Justin. Yeah,

666
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: so this is what happened. So how much? So the

667
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: questions are from Justin, well, how much time do we have?

668
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: And I said, as much as you want. You know,

669
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: it's like, because well, first of all, let me back

670
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: up this one bit. My son, you know, he was,

671
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: I guess junior in high school at the time. Like

672
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew Chris Appleton's record backwards and forwards,

673
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: like every note because my son was such a huge

674
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: fan from the day the record came out. So I

675
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: am constantly hearing this record right try alert and it's

676
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: a great record. Uh. And so I knew everything about

677
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: the record. Uh. And then he comes out with all

678
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: these nominations. That was that was I will tell you

679
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: that was a surprise. He's so beloved in the industry

680
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: that a lot of people in Nashville were like, this

681
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: is the underdog guy who's so good, that's unknown, we're

682
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: voting for him. Correct. Yeah, So he gets all the

683
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: nominations and you go, okay, all right. So then we

684
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: reach out to Chris. So then we have a telephone call.

685
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: It's myself, Chris Stapleton, justin Timberlake and management. So the

686
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: questions are again how much time do we have? It's

687
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: like how much do you want? You can have whatever

688
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: you want this this is gonna be great. And then

689
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: the other question was where are we going to be

690
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: in the show, And I said, you know where you

691
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: you know? For most people don't know. But the highest

692
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: rated show, the highest rated points of division show are

693
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: crossing the hours. Joe I was like, let's cross the

694
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: first hour, I said, And then I said, are those

695
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: the right answers? And Justin started laughing, and Chris and

696
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: Justin's like, yeah, those are the right answers. So then

697
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: you have to decide what to do. Now who gets

698
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: because it was drinking away and it was um the

699
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: David downa cooke stable and cover. Yes, um, help me out,

700
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Mike d what's the how do how do you guys

701
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: decide on the song Tennessee whiskey? Thank you very much.

702
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: So they decided on that. So they and they come

703
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: to you and say, hey, this will we like to

704
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: this is what we'd like to do. I say, of

705
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: course you got, of course, you know, this is what

706
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: we want to do. And it But I tell you

707
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: what was interesting though, because you know, you know, as

708
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: far as the look is concerned, you know a lot

709
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: of artists, like Justin Timberlake, they bring in you know,

710
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: tons of people from Los Angels or whatever, and uh,

711
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: we got on the phone and we're like, this is

712
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: what we all, the three of us to kind of

713
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: decided what we thought it ought to look like, and

714
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: uh and then we just did it. Did you feel

715
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: like it was special the first time they did it

716
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: together on stage? I did. I thought it was really great. Okay,

717
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it, but I did not. Yes,

718
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I did not I did

719
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: not know that. So we did the rehearsal. It's it's great, Okay,

720
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: it's obviously going to be a moment. Justin came up

721
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: to me at the producer's table and said, don't worry

722
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: about it. I'll really bring it up tonight. I was like,

723
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: at It's like, oh, okay, great, thanks, you know, I'm like,

724
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm already onto the next rehearsal. You know what I'm saying.

725
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: It's like And it was very polite of him to

726
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: do that and very professional. Um but yeah, but they

727
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: brought it up. Did you know it when it was

728
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: happening last when it was live? Yes, I did know

729
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: it was you could see even backstage, you could feel

730
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: the room changing. Uh. And then what we also started

731
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: doing was seeing the reaction of every of the audience.

732
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean you can from me, it was mind blind.

733
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I was like, this is the greatest

734
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: thing I've seen, this mix of all of it. I

735
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: just started telling the camera guys, start shooting the audience,

736
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, because that was also the story. Like you,

737
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you cut to anybody, you cut to any artist,

738
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: and you can it's there's no it was genuine, genuine love,

739
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: genuine genuine all. You know. I think there was all

740
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: for Justin Timberlake and going, oh my gosh, it's justin

741
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: timber Lake. And I think there was love for Chris

742
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: Stapleton and a whole crap like, how have we not

743
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: known this guy until right now? Right? Well, you know

744
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: what it is a perfect storm too, right, because it's like, okay,

745
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: So we made sure that we mentioned Chris Stapleton in

746
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: the opening monologue because we felt like it was important.

747
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know he's gonna win any awards, but we

748
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: were like Brad and Iron Carreer, like, hey, we need

749
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: to mention this guy. This is one of the greatest

750
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: singers ever to be in the format. Let's make sure

751
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: that he gets some notice, you know. So we thought,

752
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: let's take care of that in the opening monologue, and

753
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: we did. Brad says, you know, Chris Stapleton, one of

754
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: the greatest singers it's ever been in the format. Well

755
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: then he wins and wins and wins, and then the

756
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: performance it's like it he was trending worldwide, you know,

757
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Chris Stapleton. It was like who is christ Apleton?

758
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: And the winds would have been a big deal. But

759
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you in your heart feel this way.

760
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: But had you not created that scenario and that performance,

761
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: the Chris Stapleton world that we live in now, where

762
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: he's a door because he deserves to be a door,

763
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have happened. Well, I don't.

764
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't say that, but I'm saying it though.

765
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, I think you created the environment. And

766
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: it's always like for me. I've had people do it

767
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: for me. I've had people that said, hey, I believe

768
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: in you're putting you here. I'm believing you're putting you

769
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: here like I think that you're putting Stapleton and creating

770
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: that environment is what has allowed Traveler to be hurt.

771
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: It was made wonderfully. That product is going to be

772
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: fantastic regardless of there are so many things we don't

773
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: get to hear though, because we're not exposed to it,

774
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: Like you exposed Chris Stapleton to the freaking world. Well,

775
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: I I will say, I am really proud of that moment.

776
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: I was in l I was in Los Angeles at

777
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: the Soho House, the restaurant, it was there were like

778
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: twelve people at the table. I was the only person

779
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: and that had anything to do with country music. And uh.

780
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: They started talking about great performances and awards shows history,

781
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: not the same awards, all award shows. So they asked

782
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: me mine mine. One of mine is Prince and Beyonce

783
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: opening the Grammys. I was there incredible. Uh, And it

784
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: was funny because four of the people were like, my

785
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: favorite moment is the Chris Stapleton justin timber Lane. They

786
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: didn't even know that I had produced it. I was like,

787
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, I raised my hand, that's mine. You're talking

788
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: about other performances that because you produced the Billboard Awards too,

789
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: and the Florida Georgia line John Legend performance when when

790
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: they crossed over. Tell me tell me how that because

791
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: I I thought that was awesome too. I love the

792
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: fact that Legend played Holy Yeah. And I know John

793
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: a bit and to go to how did that come apart?

794
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: And how receptive was he to doing that? Well? He

795
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: was really, John was really receptive because we're good friends.

796
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but I did

797
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: a I did a one season of a show called Duets.

798
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: He was on ABC. It was John legend, Robin Thicke,

799
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: Jennifer Nettles, and Kelly Clarkson. So John and I became

800
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: really good friends. And since we did duets, I called John.

801
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, come do the Christmas show. I

802
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: know you don't have any Christmas music, but you know

803
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: coming into the cm a country Christmas show. So he did,

804
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: and we've worked together again, uh on the Billboard Awards

805
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: and were stay in contact, and you know, literally he

806
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: went he won the Oscar. I texted him and he

807
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: responded like ten minutes later. I was like, that's cool.

808
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's like he just won an Oscar and

809
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: he's I thought maybe in a couple of days I

810
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: might hear from him. But he is one of the

811
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: most unique talented intellectual He's just a really good human being.

812
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: And I had and and he loves country music. By

813
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: the way, he's friends with Faith and Tim. Uh. I

814
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: knew that he had been in Nashville writing before and

815
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: and so I so a guy named Mark Schimmel, and

816
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: I came up with this idea and I just called

817
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: John and he got out of UH. He actually changed

818
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: the date to come and be a part of it.

819
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: So when they do the rehearsal I had written out,

820
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, different parts like the arrangement, you know, I'd like.

821
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: So he was like when we got there and we

822
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: were doing the rehearsal um, they were each doing their

823
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: own song, and he was like, well, that doesn't work.

824
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: It's like, why are we doing this then? If you know? So,

825
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I asked John. I said, John, I you know what,

826
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: this doesn't work unless you sing part of Holy. And

827
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: John's like, well, I'm alright with it if the guys are.

828
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: So the guys were around the corner right and for

829
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: another rehearse all around the other side of the set.

830
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: So this was so great and this is what's great

831
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: about working with musicians and great people. And so I

832
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: went over to the Florida Georgia line guys and I

833
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: was like, hey, guys, this doesn't work unless John sings

834
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: part of Holy. And they looked at me and they

835
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, do you think he would?

836
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, he will. I just talked to

837
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: him and they're like, really, he could sing the whole

838
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: thing if we if he wanted to. They were like,

839
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you're kidding me. John Legend's gonna sing

840
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: our song. And I'm like, now, he didn't need to

841
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: sing the whole thing, but he's just gotta be able

842
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: that way the performance works. So they were like thrilled

843
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: that he would even consider doing it, and so I

844
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: thought it would really worked. I thought I was really

845
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: proud of that moment. And Chrissie hosted right, she coasted

846
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: the year before the year before, so I know that

847
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I love her too. By the way, so how I

848
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: know them is one of my best friends, Andy Roddick

849
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: is wats Brooklyn Decker and Brooklyn and Chrissie are really tight, Okay,

850
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: so I would know that him through hanging out all together.

851
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: And Chris is awesome. Yes, she's awesome. And now I

852
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: knew Chrissy before she became Chrissy Teagan. You know she

853
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: was she was still don't get me wrong, she was

854
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: still an s I swimsuit model, so it was like

855
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: nothing to go. But before she was like the super

856
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: influencer and became super famous. Well, I didn't know. You know,

857
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: this is sometimes my my head's in the ground, But

858
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: when I met her, I didn't know. I didn't know

859
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: any of that. She was just John's girlfriend. We would

860
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: go over like he would have like cookouts and stuff

861
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: while we were doing duets, and so we would go

862
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: over and have food and hang out, and I just

863
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know, but and that's how we became friends.

864
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: And I was so thrilled when she I did the

865
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: Billboards with us because it was just, you know, it

866
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: was great just to be with her. And then she

867
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: got pregnant and coutt't do the next year. So yeah,

868
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, that's why she couldn't do it. So

869
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: you're you're background televisions. I mean, man, it's long since

870
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: you've been having memories. You've had memories of television and music.

871
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: It's like they're both your thing, which works perfectly with

872
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: a lot of what you do. But even like I

873
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: guess before we can go back to your childhood, Like

874
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: you've done a lot of music videos. Yes, like that,

875
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot of m like we don't do any anymore though,

876
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: but looking back, like you do some flat, you do,

877
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: some flats I did. I did, like I would say,

878
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: the majority of all the Rascal Flats music videos. I

879
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: did save a Horse Ride a Cowboy by Big and Rich,

880
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: Independence Day by Martina Believe by Independence Day. Let's hold

881
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: on that one for a second, like that was a

882
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: big video. That video, like the video was vivid to me,

883
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: like the song was a big deal for me listening

884
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: to the radio, like Independence Day, that was a big

885
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: deal for me. But I remember the video at a

886
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: time when videos were starting to not be as video

887
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: e if that makes sense, Like they were videos were

888
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: such a big deal, but Independence they cut through the

889
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: time for me whenever I was kind of getting off

890
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: the video thing. But it's I can still vividly see

891
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: it when I can't think of any more videos around

892
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, it's interesting how that whole thing, you know,

893
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: we we made that wasn't a number one record either,

894
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: by the way, that was I think really maybe maybe

895
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: top ten maybe. Uh it's the first time and about

896
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: the only time when I heard a record and I

897
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: called the label and asked to do the video. So

898
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: you actually pursued the video because you thought you were

899
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: that passionate about it. And I hadn't heard. I didn't

900
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: know Martina and we had never worked. I had never

901
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: worked with her, you know. Uh, my business partner George

902
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Flanning and I didn't know. We didn't know Martina, and

903
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: uh I called because I thought the song was just

904
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: so powerful and something that needed to be said. So

905
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: I wrote the idea, we sent it to Martina, talked

906
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: to her on the phone for about an hour. She

907
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: still cutn't decide whether we were doing or not. So

908
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: then she wanted to meet me. So I went down

909
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: and we met with her for like an hour and

910
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: a half. It was like therapy, crazy talking about everything,

911
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: and I said at the end of it, I was like,

912
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: well's so, I mean, do I had to get the

913
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: gig and do we do we get to do this?

914
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, so that's so we did it.

915
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: And you know, um it was at the time, you

916
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: know of the o J, the whole o J thing

917
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: going on, and so there was a lot of So

918
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: what happened was is like we had released the video

919
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: and there wasn't much. It was quiet actually at first,

920
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: and then uh USA Today did a story on it

921
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: because of domestic abuse and everything and reporting of what's

922
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: what was going on in the world at the time.

923
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: And then once they did that, did a story on it,

924
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: front page story on it. Then the song and and

925
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: then in the video took off. So it's too bad

926
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: we had to have videos like that. But hopefully that

927
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: it contributed to uh to somebody or help somebody somewhere.

928
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: I hope you remember the last video you made before

929
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: you start making easy videos? Do? I think I'm pretty

930
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: sure it was reminded me by by Brad and Carry,

931
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: because what happened was is I was really uh slowing

932
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: that down and really uh getting out of it and

933
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: uh and it and Brad and Carry had done this

934
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: song together and it was they were like, you have

935
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: to do this because you worked with Brad and you

936
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: work with me, so you know, so it was like

937
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: that made sense to do. So here's the funny ones.

938
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: How so we shoot that opening sequence of Carrie walking

939
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: towards the camera, you know, and it's Carrie Underwood. She

940
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: looks pretty good, right. Brad's looking at the cameras like,

941
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: oh man, this is not going to be good for me.

942
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, nobody's gonna pay attention to you first.

943
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's He's like, this is not gonna be

944
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: good for me. No really, I started laughing. He's like, no, no,

945
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: really this is And I'm like, yeah, right, as soon

946
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: as you got Carrie under one in this video, noways

947
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: paying attention to you. Pal. So So as a kid,

948
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: who did you look at on TV and go, man,

949
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: that would be awesome, that could be like that. You know,

950
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: I always thought that it would be great two create

951
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: these things. So you were even in your mind as yeah,

952
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: you weren't the guy because for me, I like at

953
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: David Letterman was my hero because he looked funny and

954
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: I looked funny, and he was said weird things and

955
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: I was the weird kid. Yeah, so I saw him

956
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: as me. You saw I want to make David Letterman happen.

957
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: I want to be the guy because I was always

958
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: in a TV station. She saw it when I was little,

959
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: so I would see the director of working and you know,

960
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: and it was funny because my dad was on air

961
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: talent he was you know, but I just never you know,

962
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: I always like I just like the movies I love, like,

963
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: for example, White Christmas. I gotta watch that movie every year.

964
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: It's when I was little because it was behind the scenes.

965
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: You know. I loved all that behind the scenes of

966
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: the trunks and the clothes and the changing and you know,

967
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: you are, you familiar with the movie, so yeah, I

968
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: love that. You know all that stuff, So I um

969
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: and then you know, before my dad was a TV station.

970
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: He was a radio station. So he would bring home

971
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: the forty five and I love my forty five. I

972
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: love the the I love the the the actual seeing

973
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: the logos of the record labels and all the different labels.

974
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, that was my collection. He would bring home

975
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: records and or or I would go like he'd do remotes,

976
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like six five six years old,

977
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: and he would do remotes it like you know, hardware

978
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: store or whatever, you know, local thing, and you know,

979
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: he would do an interview with someone like on the

980
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: street or something, and I'd get and he would point

981
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: at me when to push the button to play the record.

982
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: So you were basically the producer engineer exactly. So you

983
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: point to me and I pushed the record to me.

984
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: That was magic. I love that. So I love everything

985
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: about entertainment. Did he want you to pursue a career

986
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: in entertainment knowing the entertainment sucks and it's awesome, but

987
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: sucks a lot more than it's awesome, Like it takes

988
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: a special breed to fail a lot, and that's what

989
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: we have to do. In order to succeed the entertainment.

990
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: You have to fail you have to be okay with

991
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: failing a lot. How did he approach you? Well, you know,

992
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: so honestly, that part of my life was young, you know,

993
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: when I was around the TV station and all that,

994
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: and then when I got into my teenage years, Honestly,

995
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: I didn't say him much. You know, he had a

996
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: he had started a band, and we're being honest and

997
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: real here. So you know, I he was on the

998
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: road and it wasn't around, you know, and so I uh,

999
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't at that point much guidance, you know.

1000
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: So you know, all the women in my life, my

1001
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: grandmother and my mom, they were That's why to this day,

1002
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: I you know, I love strong women, you know, like

1003
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: Martina McBride and Carrie Underwood and uh So at the time,

1004
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: as a kid, you know, I was always I was

1005
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: rushing to get out. You know. It was like school

1006
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: in high school. I think if I'd go back, if

1007
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: I went back, I would rather maybe take a little

1008
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: bit more time and enjoy where I was. But I

1009
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: was I was ready to leave. I wanted to be

1010
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: in this business so bad, in film television, but now

1011
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: there wasn't that much. Honestly, there wasn't that much guidance

1012
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: at a certain point, and it was pretty painful there.

1013
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: You know, I spent spent a lot of time with therapy, uh,

1014
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: not having like I don't have a dad at all

1015
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: growing up, and you know, my mom had a lot

1016
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: of issues. But for me, you know, I was always

1017
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: chasing the Hey, you did a good job. Do you

1018
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: feel like that's why? Because you you wanted his approval?

1019
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: Because as you're saying those words, I'm like, I know

1020
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: that exact feeling, Like I know exactly what you're saying

1021
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: right now because that's how I felt my whole life. Absolutely,

1022
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: I think, uh, definitely want approval um. And I think

1023
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: these that absence of that, you know, growing up and

1024
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: not having not having him, Like here's the thing being

1025
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: so close and so connected and then and then like

1026
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: the door shut and there's like then not it was like,

1027
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we did everything together, horseback riding, I was

1028
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: part of the TV show, I was always around the

1029
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: TV station and then all of a sudden, eleven years old, nothing,

1030
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think you're right. I mean,

1031
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: I think I am definitely that way. But I think

1032
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: it serves me in a in a really good way,

1033
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I think that, you know, it's there's

1034
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: nothing more important to me than getting the performance right

1035
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: and getting making sure that they're happy, making sure that

1036
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: the artist in the music is is right. So I

1037
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: think there is that wanting to make people happy. That's

1038
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: part of it. But you know what, I think that's

1039
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: what partly makes me successful. Now it might have been different,

1040
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: I know me like it's always been a that's where

1041
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: I searched for love, and it's going to again period

1042
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: like I would be in my therapisode like this is

1043
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: where this is where you go out to search for love.

1044
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: Is You're going to a crowd, You're going to do

1045
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: stand up, You're going to do for you to play,

1046
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: you get on the radio and tell your stories, you

1047
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: do your television show, and you this is your search

1048
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: for love because you never got it as a kid.

1049
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: My grandma you know, raised me, adopted me. You know,

1050
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: my mom was there on and off, you know, she

1051
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: died in her forties. I never had a dad until

1052
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: so it was just like that was my place that

1053
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: I as. At the same time, I'm trying to piss

1054
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: everybody out by being successful, like I'll show you you

1055
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: want to don't support for me, I'll just go make

1056
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: it myself and I'll show you exactly what you've kind

1057
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: of missed out on. But my approval was always trying

1058
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: to find love from and still that's what I'm not

1059
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: talking about. Was like, that's still why I'm psychotic. I'm

1060
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: trying to find love from this other place because I

1061
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: never got. What I've learned is we all nobody's whole

1062
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: like that. I haven't met one person that we really

1063
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to them. They're like, I'm just good.

1064
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: I used to think that I was just like a victim.

1065
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I just think man in my life, but I think,

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00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: as you said, it's made me stronger. And I didn't

1067
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: ted talk where I was like, you know, for a

1068
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: long time in my life, I was like it really

1069
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: sucks how I grew up. I was a food stamp kid.

1070
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: I was a kid that had really bad teeth, that

1071
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: was a poor kid. It couldn't but that's what made

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: me stronger. Like I used that now and like I'm

1073
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: a fighter and I'm a grinder because of all of

1074
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: that time where at like I'm conditioned now too. I'm

1075
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna work harder than anybody in thisially how I naturally

1076
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: work because I had to. And then well, I agree.

1077
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: You know it's what something that you said about, I'll

1078
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: show you. I've had that every single day in my life.

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00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: It's like, there's no doubt about it. I'm gonna show you.

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00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna here's the thing I tell people in classes

1081
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: or you know, there's a lot of talented people out

1082
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: there they're sleeping, like yeah, it's like that there. You

1083
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: gotta get out, you gotta get you know, every day

1084
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm ready to compete. Uh. And that's but you know,

1085
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: and that's what you gotta do to be successful. But

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: it is a part of I'll show you. It's a

1087
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: part it's really funny, it's I'll show you and it's

1088
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: part um, you know, serving people are wanting to do

1089
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: good by people and wanting to people people to go, oh,

1090
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: you did a good job, you know, And it is that.

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01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: I would say those years, those formative years, definitely plays

1092
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: into I will tell you the truth four years ago.

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: If we had done this interview three years ago, I

1094
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: would have never mentioned that to you. I would have

1095
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: never said it. What was the break through a point

1096
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: in your life where you're like, I feel like I

1097
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: could talk about this because I've had those. Yeah, but

1098
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: where was it? Where was it in your life that

1099
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: you hit where you're like, I'm now okay with that.

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01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: I think that Uh. I think it's a conversation that

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01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: uh I had. I was married once before, went through

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01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: a divorce, um, and that was painful. It was also

1103
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: another situation where I don't think I, at least I

1104
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: perceived never accepted by her father. So that was another

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01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: and I'll show you yeah. Uh but I think it

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01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: was my mike. You know, I started, I got remarried,

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: and I was dating uh my who is now my wife,

1108
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: and we were in a conversation and uh she said,

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on a second, wait a minute. You know,

1110
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: you're not like everybody else, right, And I'm like, what

1111
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: She's like, You're not like, you're not like everybody else,

1112
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: You're different, You're special. And she has made me believe that.

1113
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: So I think she's the reason why I can tell

1114
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: you that today, or tell that story, or go back

1115
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: into something in my past that was painful. And now

1116
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: you have a son that plays the crap out of

1117
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: an instrument. Yes, I mean he he beats those things

1118
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: he does, so he's a heck of a drummer. So

1119
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: now you have a son and he's drumming, like like

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01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: he's fantastic. Yeah, he's really a good drummer. Like what

1121
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: do you tell him? Because it's it's a cycle, Like,

1122
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: are you're able to see? The cool thing is you

1123
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: can see the cycle, so you can break the cycle.

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: That's a thing about the cycles. If you don't see it,

1125
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: you can't break it. I told him. Uh he he

1126
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: asked me when he was eleven years old, do you

1127
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: think I could be a professional drummer? And you know,

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: and he's still you know, struggling. He's had to development deals.

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01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, um, I said, you know what,

1130
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: then go for it. Don't worry about a backup. Don't

1131
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: do a backup. Don't have a backup plan. Because you

1132
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: have a backup plane, you'll use it. You'll use it. Absolutely.

1133
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: I've had our parents they literally think I'm crazy, just

1134
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: think I'm crazy, But well you are. But it takes

1135
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: crazy to be great, Like it takes crazy to be great.

1136
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I'll go I'll go speak and you

1137
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: know the same thing, I'll go talk to these classes

1138
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: and I'll do a ted talk. I'll do it and

1139
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, plan A is what you're dreaming. Is

1140
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: the plan B is go back to Plan A. Otherwise

1141
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: you're just gonna go and work your your cousin's accounting

1142
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: place because it's gonna be the easier thing to do. Yeah, exactly.

1143
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: And you have to be crazy. You have to be crazy.

1144
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: It's the thing about it is if if you could

1145
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: be happy doing something else, then you should do it,

1146
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: you know. But if I would not be happy, you know,

1147
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. I don't have

1148
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: any hobbies, by the way, this is it, you know.

1149
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't go play golf. I don't you know, you

1150
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: know what I love Seeing my son played drums. I

1151
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: loved you know, seeing uh my daughters and film and

1152
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: tell vision and I love seeing what she's doing. And

1153
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: and then my son James was an athlete. I love

1154
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: being and seeing what they're doing and being involved in

1155
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: their life and and uh my wife is constantly you know,

1156
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: there's when I'm with her, there's no place I'd rather be,

1157
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, because she's like the most interesting person that

1158
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: I know and the kindest and so uh. But other

1159
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: than that, this is what I want to be doing.

1160
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I want to be producing, directing. I want to do

1161
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: another film, I want I love my shows, I love

1162
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the c m A Awards, I love the history. Um, yeah,

1163
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: this is what I want to be doing. Do you

1164
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: ever see step Brothers with I love that. I'll feel like,

1165
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: do we just become best friends? That kind of what

1166
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: I felt like that I think we became best friends. Well, listen,

1167
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: we we we spent an hour talking. It feels it

1168
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: just flies by. But I felt like I went to

1169
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: a masterclass a little bit. I appreciate it. All the

1170
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: kids out there, listen there, you call him a home

1171
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: give yourself on. Okay, so I'll say, because this thing

1172
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: lives forever. And uh, the c m as are coming

1173
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: up in November. People will be listening to this for

1174
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: a year or two years, but to come in November.

1175
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: Right now, what is the date for today? It is

1176
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: September of September. Um, So when you watch this year,

1177
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: Robert we producing everything that's going on in every decision

1178
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: that he's made. Because people wonder if they don't know,

1179
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: like they don't they just that word produces it. Nothink

1180
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: must know what that means. And I don't say that

1181
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: in the negative way. I didn't until I got involved

1182
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 1: into the business in different ways. But that's the guy

1183
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: or the girl, just the person who's controlling all all all,

1184
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: and that's you, the creator, the creator. Man. I can't

1185
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: wait to see what you got in store this year

1186
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: and the I love C m A especially. I thought

1187
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: the Brothers All More moment was such a cool moment.

1188
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: Like I was watching in a hotel because I was

1189
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: on the road and I don't even go do my

1190
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: set until like nine thirty because of a couple of

1191
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: opening eggs and I we were watching Brothers Osborne and going, man,

1192
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: next time I see a right, I tell him how

1193
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: great that I thought that was? It was, it was.

1194
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: It felt like a risky move that really paid off.

1195
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: Karen Fairchild texted me and she said, yeah, she just said,

1196
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: thank you for Brothers Osborne. That's that's, that's all. She said, Yeah,

1197
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: I totally get it. Well, thank you for being here.

1198
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Robert Deaton and uh,

1199
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if the adet and we promote you

1200
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: want to sell a product or anything episode eighty you

1201
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: wanted the Bobby cast. Thank you, We'll see you next time.