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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live, presented by called Light of Health.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday. It's Friday, the best day of the week.

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoa, It's Friday. Welcome to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you, rocking and rolling into the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Bills might be a little bit healthier going into Sunday.

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Speaker 1: George hass Bloss, George Bloss, just say, has you said

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Speaker 1: you turned him very jerking at a Jay Haas or whatever?

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Speaker 1: George Bloss, He's the founder of our lunch today, which

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Speaker 1: was awesome, except I ate the wrong lunch today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So here's here's what happens. This is important. Lunches come

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Speaker 1: in and you know, they're all in their package styrofoam containers,

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Speaker 1: and they all have our names, George Bloss, they all

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Speaker 1: have our names on them. And for those of you

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Speaker 1: that are unfamiliar, and if you are, you've been living

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Speaker 1: under a rock, there is not, in my years on

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Speaker 1: this planet a faster or more physically aggressive eater than

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. I am a fast eater. Most people will

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Speaker 1: tell you, I don't I am. I'll put it to

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Speaker 1: you this way. You're an embarrassment to fast eaters. You're not.

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Speaker 1: I am an embarrassment to Steve Tasker, the fast eater.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker is the usane bolt of fast eaters. I've

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Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. So that being said, I

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Speaker 1: all have We all have our styrofoam containers with our

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Speaker 1: names on them. So I walk in here about fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes ago, Steve is already elbow deep in a hamburger

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Speaker 1: cheezburg What was it called, by the way, Jay, I

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Speaker 1: can't remember what bam bamburger. So it's got bacon, to

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Speaker 1: my defense, avocado and I don't know to mozzarella. Yeah, cheese.

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Speaker 1: It was really good. That's called the bamburger. The problem

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Speaker 1: is that's not what Steve orders, well, cheeseburger. In my

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Speaker 1: In my defense, I just grabbed the thing that had

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Speaker 1: my It had no no you had Steve written on

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Speaker 1: you are not You are not the guilty party here.

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Speaker 1: So by the time, however, however, Steve, the speed with

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Speaker 1: which you eat is so blinding. It was done for

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Speaker 1: I don't think your tongue even recognized it. What was

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Speaker 1: I knew, I said, listen, I don't because there was

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Speaker 1: and fries. I said, give me the burger and fries,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, if possible, because I didn't look at

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Speaker 1: them in you, I said, give me a double burger

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Speaker 1: and fries or whatever's on. So you know, everybody under

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Speaker 1: So I opened it up, thinking whatever, they just got

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Speaker 1: and all the Amazon You know that? Fine? Good? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I ate it. There was no there was no stop side.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that somebody had written my name on

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Speaker 1: somebody else's burger. The best part is, right before the

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Speaker 1: show starts, our producer Jacobs in and I hear him

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Speaker 1: saying it already. I can hear the murmuring out there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Our our graphics guy, Tom is like, hey, uh, this

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Speaker 1: you into the competitive eating contest. I think you I

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Speaker 1: least you're at least in the triple A area of Well,

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Speaker 1: another thing too, if we're sitting even with a family dinner.

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Speaker 1: it's not. I think it's more of a competitive ease.

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Speaker 1: more to do with my impatience than it does with mine. Well,

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Speaker 1: an instance where my wife looks at my plate and says, seriously,

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Speaker 1: by a mile. I don't even come close to how

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Speaker 1: quickly you eat. But as we were saying, jam Pack

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Speaker 1: As we sit two days away from what looks like

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rain soaked a fair in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: on Sunday between the Bills and the Ravens, and we

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Speaker 1: ball security being the most important thing there. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: the latest edition of Asker's Teammate. Second hour of the show.

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Speaker 1: Our good friend Greg co Sell, senior producer from NFL Films,

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Speaker 1: joins us to break down the xs and os. As

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Speaker 1: you heard Steve and I discussing yesterday, the Ravens play

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Speaker 1: an awful lot of twenty one and twelve personnel. But

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Speaker 1: dad's twenty one and twelve personnel, right. They go empty

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Speaker 1: spread concept twenty one or twelve personnel. It's very interesting

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Speaker 1: why don't teams do that? This offense for Baltimore is

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Speaker 1: this morning that Dan Jackson is moving in the right

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Speaker 1: a conversation about what they you know, you're you're at there,

425
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: you're joking around, sitting around the locker room, you know,

426
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: just hanging out for a minute, and guys go, hey,

427
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Speaker 1: what they do? What they what questions they ask And

428
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: they say, well, they ask me what time the game started,

429
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, because guys kind of find that a little

430
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: bit humorous at times, like what time the game start,

431
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: what was, what day is, what day is it? You

432
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: know that all that stuff. So they kind of ask

433
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: questions and they have conversations about how those protocols go,

434
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: and invariably somebody comes in and says, listen, if you

435
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: here's what you gotta do. You gotta tell him it's

436
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: your back, it's not your head. You gotta tell him

437
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: it's this and they're not that. You gotta tell him

438
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: that to stay in the game. The conversation is about

439
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: how to stay in the game, not how to basically

440
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: how to answer the questions to cheat on the protocol.

441
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. The players want to know how they

442
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: can stay in the game. And that's because I'll say

443
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: this too. But the reason that's so messed up is

444
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: because the independent neurological consultant and the medical guy that

445
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: works for the team, they are there to specifically protect

446
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: the player from himself, and they both they both have

447
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: to agree that the symptoms don't justify sending him back

448
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: in the game. Both of them had to say, Okay,

449
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: he's good, both of them. Yeah, Because if one says no,

450
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: he goes, he doesn't go back, that's right. They both

451
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: had to say, yeah, he's good to play. Yeah. So,

452
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: despite the league's efforts to have an independent neurological consultant

453
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: to act as an unbiased party to act as the

454
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: last line of defense to protect a player from himself

455
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: and from any intentions the team might have that are nefarious,

456
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: it still failed, at least with the Dolphins in this case.

457
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: In this case, like I mentioned with the Bills, it's

458
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: the playoff game, last game of the season, you know,

459
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: lose twenty seventeen. Think about the Dolphins the fix they

460
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: were in. If Tua goes into the concussion protocol, on

461
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: last Sunday, he's out no matter what for the game

462
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: on Thursday. There's not enough time to go through the protocols. Yeah,

463
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: well so it'd be very hard. Yes, I would say

464
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: highly unlikely, and as we saw, probably should have been

465
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: held out. Yeah. I mean, in hindsight, it's easy, and

466
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: I think we can say they don't win that game

467
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: against the Bills on Sunday. The first series of Teddy

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: Bridgewater was out there, he got sacked and they punted

469
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden two was back in

470
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: the game after that, right, Um, so instead of being

471
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: three and one, they're probably two and two. I'll say

472
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: this though, at this point, if you know, yeah, the

473
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: outcome of games irrelevant, two is sitting there with the

474
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: fencer's pose out, and you know, his mom and dad

475
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: are there, his family's there, he's on he's on national TV. Now,

476
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: it's really bad all the way around. It's it's so bad.

477
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: It's so it looks so bad. Um. And just so

478
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: you know the penalties for violation of proper concussion protocol. Basically,

479
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: what the league does for a first time offense is

480
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: they put that team's medical staff in um remedial training

481
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: and the team is fined one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

482
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask if your two his family, is

483
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: that enough. Is that enough of a punishment for two

484
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: brain injuries in five days for your kid, because for me,

485
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: it's not. I'd like to know if his family knew

486
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: that it wasn't That wasn't a well, whether Tuah kept

487
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: him in the dark or not. The whole point of

488
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: the i NC and the team's medical staff is to

489
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: protect the player from himself and they failed on both

490
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: counts and that's the problem. And I know NFL Chief

491
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Medical Officer, doctor Alan Sills, who pretty much shepherded the

492
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: Saul through the COVID situation the last two years. He

493
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: said Tah was checked for concussion symptoms every day since Sunday.

494
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: He said that an independent neurological consultant had to clear him,

495
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: which he did, and that was in my eyes, a failure.

496
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Once their review of everything that took place with the

497
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: Dolphins organization medically, full results will be released publicly. So

498
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: it looks like the league is trying to be transparent

499
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: with this, but I don't see how that independent neurological

500
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: consultant survives this, I think he is dismissed in short order. Yeah,

501
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: you've got to think about this. So they're the independent guy,

502
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: I think is paid for by the union, right, or

503
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: something like that is paid by not by the League's

504
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: paid for by the union, the players union, right. But

505
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: the league now apparently isn't listen. If you're a neual,

506
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: if you're a neural scientist or what you know, if

507
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: you're a doctor of that caliber, what are they paying

508
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: you fifteen hundred bucks a game? Two bucks a game?

509
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: What are they paying him? They paying an hourly rate.

510
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: If you're a if you're a prominent doctor in South

511
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Florida or in Buffalo or in Green Bay or whatever,

512
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, and you're the independent guy that brings you

513
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot of maybe benefit where you can say I'm

514
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: their guy. That's fine, But you ain't getting paid enough

515
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: to think, you know, all right, I'm doing not to

516
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: do what the team wants you to do. Yeah, if

517
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: you're a low cool guy, I mean, that's that's paid

518
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: for by them. They're paying them, Like seriously, they're paying them.

519
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pretend to know, but yeah, I know what

520
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: you're saying. I get it. We do have to take

521
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a break here and we will shift gears because when

522
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: we return, it's the latest installment of Tasker's Teammate Steve.

523
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: Steve can guess who we are describing who used to

524
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: play with him on your Buffalo Bills. That's next here

525
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Speaker 1: on one Bills Live, presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo

526
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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back to one Bills Live.

527
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: It is that time here on a Friday for Taskers Teammates,

528
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: presented by Wegman's Meals to Go Delicious meals delivered. Download

529
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: the Wegman's app today. Steve, are you ready? I am

530
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Speaker 1: clue number one for Tasker's Teammate. Born in Rome, Georgia

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00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two. Played my high school ball for

532
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: the Pepperrell Dragons in Lynndale, Georgia. That was his high

533
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: school ball. Oh yeah, in Georgia. Wow, I got me

534
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: don't know a blue number two. I accepted a scholarship

535
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: to Memphis University for college ball. I was a three

536
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: year starter and, much like Steve, also spent some time

537
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: on special teams in addition to getting some opportunities as

538
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: a punt returner. I am most famously known for blocking

539
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: four punts in one game in a twenty two to

540
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: six win over Arkansas, breaking the all time NCAA record

541
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: of three, which was set back in nineteen forty two.

542
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: How do I not, like immediately know who that is? Okay,

543
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: all right, he's a college was Memphis. Yes, it's not

544
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: Russell Copeland. It is not. And he's got to be

545
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: at least ten years younger than he's born seventy two. Right,

546
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: he's a young guy. Okay, go ahead, clue number three.

547
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: My college exploits, which included five interceptions in my career,

548
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: made me a fourth round pick of the Bills in

549
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. Did you hear that fourth round pick?

550
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: In nine? I started three games as a rookie. It's

551
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: injuries at my position thrust me into the lineup. Oh gosh, um,

552
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: do you have an idea on a position here? It's

553
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: gotta be a corner of safety. What could be a linebacker?

554
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: Sam Rodgers? It is not Sam Gabe Northern. It is not.

555
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: It's not Jeff Burrows. It is not Jeff Burrs. I'm

556
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: gonna go to next clue. Go to next clue. After

557
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: three seasons with Steve as a teammate, I became a

558
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: full time starter in my fourth season, starting opposite fellow

559
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: starter Thomas Smith. So now you know the position, Um,

560
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Kirby Jackson, not Kirby Jackson. Um, I'm I'm on it.

561
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I hold on, wait now, I don't club. So you

562
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: have the position all right? You know it was your

563
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: teammate for the last three years of your career, right,

564
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: last four years? Oh ninety seven? Right? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

565
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: ninth reason? Oh man, okay, go ahead, give me an

566
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I would I would play for the Bills for seven seasons,

567
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, with my last coming in two thousand

568
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: and one before I signed with New Orleans in free agency.

569
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: M Hmmwards, I should get this right. Kenny Irvin. It

570
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: is Kenny Irvan. Correct, correct, Kenny Irvin. Kenny Irving. And

571
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: we got Kenny on the line here. Oh yeah, Kenny.

572
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: What's up? Man? Hey? What's going on? See you do it?

573
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. He was sweating it out there for

574
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: a little didn't want. I don't want to go too

575
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: deep into the clues because then they just you know,

576
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: how you doing? What are you? What are you? What

577
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? What are you doing? Do you say?

578
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: Are you coaching. Man. I am here here in Atlanta.

579
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: I've been coaching here for the last fifteen years or so,

580
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: always a community coach, just trying to get my fixed

581
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: and UM and been doing that and being being a dad,

582
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: real estate and just trying to trying to keep things moving. Man. Awesome, man,

583
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: where are you coaching UM at a school called Great

584
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: Atlanta CHRISTI here in Atlanta, Georgiana, where my kids went

585
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: to school. Very nice. I'm an empty net, the empty

586
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: nests now and both of my kids are one is

587
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: a junior college, my others graduating. So man, we're I'm

588
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: enjoying the life yet nests too. That's good, that's awesome.

589
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I did not remember you had blocked four punts in

590
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: a game. Yep, that's kind of like what what what

591
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: my kind of special team Niche was kind of as

592
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: a rookie, no, actually a freshman at Memphis and to

593
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: this day, Steve, I honestly like, it's impossible to block

594
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: the same punt four times from the same zac position

595
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: and change the punterer and the kicker and them not

596
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: realize that it was their scheme. It's like it was

597
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: just I guess unheard of. Yeah, that's unbelievable though. Um, Kenny,

598
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this, but you

599
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: you coached a current member of the Bills practice squad.

600
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Kyler McMichael is on the Bills practice squad right now.

601
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: You coached him at Greater Atlantic Atlantic Christian School, right, absolutely,

602
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: I did. I'm excited about that. I mean I told

603
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: him once he got picked up by the Bills, like

604
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: like Bill's Mafia is, it's nothing like it, And and

605
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: he's excited to be there, looking forward to the opportunity.

606
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, the new management there those guys has

607
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: been a great deal of time in developing their players,

608
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: just like with Benford and all those guys, I mean,

609
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: h D. Jackson. Um, it's it's a it's amazing what

610
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: they're doing. So he's in a good position. He's a

611
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: heck of a talent, and I'm excited to see that

612
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: he's got his foot in the door up there. How

613
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: long has it been since you've been back to Buffalo.

614
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I was back in Buffalo this summer in July. I

615
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: came to the little the golf tournament for the uh uh,

616
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: the one we had over there at by the Airport. Yeah,

617
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: at the alumni tournament at the Diamond Hawk Golf Tournament. Yeah,

618
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: I remember. Yeah, that's uh, that's when they always have there. Yeah,

619
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm they always have that and I can never make

620
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: it because I'm on the job they having on them,

621
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: they have it right during the day. You can never

622
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: make a yeah, Kenny, Um, yeah, you So you went

623
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: to New Orleans for one season and you finished up

624
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Correct, Um, New Orleans and Minnesota. You finished

625
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: up in Minnesota your last couple of years, right, Like,

626
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: so you got you got back. You got back with

627
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield and Pat Williams up there, right, did weren't

628
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: they on the team then up there in Minnesota? Yes? Actually, yep,

629
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: they wore Both of those guys were there. I think Antoine. Yeah,

630
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Antoine came after me as a free agent when he

631
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: left Buffalo to Minnesota. And I think Pat Williams came.

632
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: He may have been in the year before or comed

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Speaker 1: he may have came a year or two right after

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Speaker 1: I was there. But yes, I played with those guys

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years while I was in Minnesota. Yeah.

636
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: And obviously you were part of the number one defense

637
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: in ninety nine, which you know the Bills finally duplicated

638
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: last year. And I don't know if you saw this,

639
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: but right around right before, right at the end of

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Speaker 1: training camp, Ted Catrell came down to practice and we

641
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: got a picture of him and Leslie Frasier, the two

642
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Speaker 1: coordinators who were the last two dcs to have the

643
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: number one defenses. But what was that ninety nine year? Like,

644
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Speaker 1: I know they couldn't run the ball on you guys

645
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: at all back in ninety nine, but what do you

646
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: remember about that year when when you guys really locked

647
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: it down on defense. I mean, it just it was

648
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: just a great group of guys. I mean with Henry Jones,

649
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Kirch Show, Bruce Smith, I mean, you go on and

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Speaker 1: on the list. It was you know, it was my

651
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: job as a as a young guy, was just kind

652
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: of being there, you know, do my job, understand what

653
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: the game plan was. But what I mean it was,

654
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: it was it was so surreal in that year what

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Speaker 1: we were able to do and accomplish. And this is

656
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: a testament to coach Cantrell and and trusting us and

657
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: us growing together and and putting all the pieces together

658
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: and to see it coming to fuition on the field.

659
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: Was it was a good, good part. To be able

660
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: to say that he was a part of a number

661
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: one team, number one ranked defense in the NFL. It

662
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: says a lot. And um, you know, we talk about

663
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: that all the time still, so it's it's good. It

664
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Speaker 1: was good. Well, Kenny, you, I gotta tell you. You

665
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: look the same. I recognize you now, can I see you? Um,

666
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you. I'm glad you're here.

667
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: You're doing well. Good luck with your kids. I'm glad

668
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: you're an empty nester like him. Doesn't make me feel

669
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: all that much older, so I appreciate it. It's good

670
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: to see you, man. Thanks for coming on with us,

671
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: No problem, guys, I'll appreciate you having me. I have

672
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: a blessed today, all right, you two, Kenny, thanks for

673
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: joining us. That's Kenny Irvin, former Bill's cornerback and former

674
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: teammate of Won Stephen. A tasker. Um. Yeah, I remember

675
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: when Kenny kind of came in right when I started

676
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: covering the team, and so I kind of saw his

677
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: career was getting all the ground his mine was. And

678
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: I remember I used to go to him a lot,

679
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: just as a young guy in that locker room. Um,

680
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: and he I mean, that was a good group on

681
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: the back end there. I mean he already mentioned a

682
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: couple of the guys, Henry Jones, Kurt Schultz, and then

683
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: you had Thomas Smith. Antoine came in as a young guy,

684
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: as a first round pick, and he was playing Nickel.

685
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: So you had Thomas, Thomas Smith, and Kenny Irvin on

686
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: the outside and then Antoine and Nickel. That was pretty

687
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: good top three corners. Henry Jones was as good as

688
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: safety has ever had and Kurt Schultz was a was

689
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: a big time hit or big dude too. So yeah,

690
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: they had they had a crew back there. It always

691
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: helps when you've got you know, Pat Williams and Bruce

692
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: up front and Ted and Ted think about that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you ain't running on that crew. So Ted Cattrell and

694
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Speaker 1: Wade Phillips. They were playing a three four, so Pat

695
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: was Ted's backup. But Pat was doing so well in

696
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: practice way, it's like we gotta get him on the

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00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: field somehow, And so they would put them both on

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Speaker 1: the field at the same time on first and ten

699
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: with Bruce or with Phil. I mean, good luck running

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00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: on that group. And they called it the package that

701
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: when whenever, whenever, Tuh Ted and Pat were on the

702
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: field at the same time. Wade called it the package,

703
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: those like that's a pretty large backage. Yeah, those guys.

704
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: Ted Washington was probably he's in a movable force. He's in.

705
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: He's in the top. He's in the conversation for the

706
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: absolute best defensive line run stuffer of all time. Absolutely

707
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: in that conversation, Absolutely in the top. He may be

708
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: the guy the best run stuffer as a note, as

709
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle of all time. Um at a time

710
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: when they ran the ball right and now he struggled

711
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: to get after the passer. Which is why this which

712
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: is the only reason he's not in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

713
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: because he was never outside the top five and run

714
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: defense on any defensive or played in and he was

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00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: the reason. Yeah, and then you put Pat Williams beside him. Yeah,

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00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a it's a moot point. Whatever

717
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: running game you've got, it's a moot point. So all right,

718
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: good edition. A Tasker's teammate there. We'll take a break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll get to your thoughts from

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Speaker 1: the Friday fan mail bag. We also have Tailgate Friday.

721
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Speaker 1: What do you have on the menu? This week for

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00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: Bills at Ravens. Anybody cooking up some crab cakes? We

723
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: need to know. We'll check in next here on One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalada Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown,

726
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you, and it is time for a

727
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: tailgate Friday presented by him Mark Blue Cross, Blue Shield

728
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Speaker 1: of Western New York official healthcare plan of the Buffalo Bills.

729
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: And speaking of plans, we read your plans for tailgating

730
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: in advance of Sunday's game between the Bills and the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: This one from George Chevetta. Wings on the smoker. How

732
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: about that? Pretty good? I don't think you know, even

733
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: though Buffalo is known for both wings and Chevetta's, I

734
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: have never seen them combined and on the smoker. I

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00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: would be very interested to see how those turn out.

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Speaker 1: You get a little chala those, you get a little

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00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: char on them, you know. Oh, I'm totally with you.

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Speaker 1: I'll try it. That would be good. Excellent submission. Thereby,

739
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: somebody do that for us. I'm not sure. Rachel chimes

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Speaker 1: in and says we will be camping chili stuffed banana peppers,

741
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: and cheesy bread, all cooked over an open fire, washed

742
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: down with some October Fest Well done there, very nice.

743
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: That that's a camping that is a strong fall camping

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00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: menu that is far from roughing it. It is not

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00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: that might be considered glamping glass glamping. No matter how

746
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: you're sleeping, that's glamping. I'm actually making some chili tonight, right,

747
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm getting it rolling Steve. There you go, man,

748
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: it is. It's chili seas when it's it was like

749
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Speaker 1: thirty seven last night. Did you get that lost where

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00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: it was? Wow? It was down. It's down in the

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00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: low forties at night. So it's definitely that time of

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00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: year for chili. Yeah from Foucha. I hope I'm pronouncing

753
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: that right at home for the game. Probably making homemade pizzas, Okay,

754
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: you make your own crust. I guess you're Italian, right yeah? Yeah?

755
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: And I roll it real thin too, like thin yeah,

756
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: well like New York, New York. Yeah yeah, it's like

757
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Yark style piece. I'm like that. I'm kind of like

758
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: that too. I make the margarita now though, because I'm

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00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: growing basil in my backyard. Yeah, with the raw mazzarella

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00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, yeah, well you throw that on and

761
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: then that's melted. Yeah, but you just throw a little

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00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: discs of mozzarella on there. I'll cut off the ball

763
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: and you know, just drop that all on there. Then

764
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: you cook it and then you put the basil on after.

765
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: But I got basil growing in. Yeah, I'm garden. It's

766
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: almost dead now. Yeah. I'm a thin, crusted guy too.

767
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a bread guy. Yeah, but yeah, homemade pizzas

768
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: are the way to go. Steve chimes in with crab

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Speaker 1: cakes this week. Steve, I am very mixed on the

770
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: whole crab cake scene. I've been to Baltimore for games. Yeah,

771
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: two box, I've gotten the VIP treatment where they bring

772
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: you know, they got him and you bring him in.

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00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: I am I'm a hard no. Yeah, and I am

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00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: a no too, And I'm gonna tell you why. I

775
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: want to say it was two thousand and seven, eight nine.

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00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: Somewhere in there. You get a bad crab cake. I

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00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: am in the press box. They're serving crab cakes at halftime.

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: They look perfectly good. Yeah, went down real easy. I'm

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00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: on them. Stay there. I'm on the plane ride home

780
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: and my stomach's talking to me. Yeah, like it's basically

781
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: telling me that was a mistake. Now. Fortunately I did

782
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: get home before I got sick, but it was all

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00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: because of the crab cake. Yeah, I'm a little mixed

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00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: on crab cakes. It's a little bit. Yeah, I'm not

785
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: a I'm not a not a huge fan of them. Now.

786
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: I know there are people love them and I get it. Okay, cool,

787
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm but I'm not I'm not a fan.

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00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: I think the edibility of the crab cake is completely

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Speaker 1: dependent on the sauce that you dip it in. You

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00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: know that orange what is what do they call that

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00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: sauce for crab tartar sauce? Is it like a I

792
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: don't know, spice tartar or something. I don't even know.

793
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, crab cakes are you know. I I can

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00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: do without them and I'm fine to be honest. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um Jack, our last submission for Tailgate Friday had to

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Speaker 1: work for both primetime games. So that's week one. In

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00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: Week two, went to Miami for Week three, looking forward

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Speaker 1: to drinking october Fest and eating chili while watching in

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Speaker 1: my garage. I think that's going to be a very

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Speaker 1: popular approach. Number One it's October, so people are cracking

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00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: open those number two. As we said, it's chili season. Yes,

802
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: so it's time and it's it's good too because we

803
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: just got the right amount of chili, I mean, like

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00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: coolness in the air for this game, right, everybody's like,

805
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: oh you know what's so yeah, yeah, let's do it

806
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: for the game. It's perfect timing. It's perfect timing. So

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00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: but the October Fest is yeah, that's the easy go to.

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00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just this home game. You got a

809
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: road game in Baltimore, not really the destination that Miami

810
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: is or the tradition traditional stop for Miami game. This

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Speaker 1: is kind of He's right for the first one. You

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00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: get a Sunday afternoon to one where you're not most

813
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: people didn't go to the game. But still, yeah, it's

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00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: a nice it's a nice setup. I think for this

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Speaker 1: Chili is the by far the favorite. Now do you

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00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: when you make chili, Well, you got a big family,

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00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: so you probably always make a lot. In my house,

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00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: me and my son are the only ones that eat chili.

819
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: But I still make at least two pounds worth and

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00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: then yeah, if I have a lot left over, I'll

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Speaker 1: freeze some of it, and then I'll leave the rest

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Speaker 1: in the fridge for leftovers and have it for when

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00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: I make it. Yeah, when I make it. In those situations,

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00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: it's it's a vat of chili. And then what I'll

825
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: have to do sometimes is pull out a smaller just

826
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: dip out as into a smaller saucepanon the for the

827
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: for the lightweights who don't like it spicy, and then

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00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: I throw in I throw in them habaneros and the

829
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: jalapenos and the you know, the hot stuff. Yeah, so

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00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: I make really two bat one small batch that's a

831
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: little bit medium or less, and then I throw in

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00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: the hot stuff in the big vat. So that is

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Speaker 1: Tailgate Friday, presented by high Mark, Blue Cross, Blue Shield

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Speaker 1: to Western New York, the official health care plan in

835
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Speaking of health, Mike McDaniel is addressing

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00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: the media in his day after press conference, and as

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00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: you might expect, he is being grilled on the concussion

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00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: situation involving Tua. And I'm going to read you a

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Speaker 1: couple of quotes. These are courtesy of our good friend

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Speaker 1: Armando Salguero from OutKick dot Com, and McDaniel apparently said

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00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: quote I have one hundred percent conviction in our process

842
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: regarding our players. I wouldn't have put him out there

843
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: if there was any indication the previous hit Sunday could

844
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: effect last night. Second comment from him on why the

845
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: team felt comfortable playing Tua quote there was no medical

846
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: indication from all resources. If there would have been anything

847
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: lingering with his head. I wouldn't have been able to

848
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: live with myself if I prematurely put someone out there

849
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: in harm's way. Well, then all I can tell you

850
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: is your medical team failed you. That's all I can

851
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: tell you. Well, so did your own eyes. Yeah, I

852
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: mean good gree the guy. Yeah, it's easy to go

853
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: back and second guess because there's no nothing that says

854
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: to him. Might might have gotten a concussion last Sunday

855
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: and then skated through the game last night unscathed, and

856
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: we all forget about it and go on, We go

857
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: on with our lives. But the simple fact of the

858
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: matter is he didn't. And that's why the protocols were

859
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: in place exactly for this scenario. And he didn't get lucky,

860
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: and you got a quarterback now, and and it was

861
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: I heard this, and I kind of pooh pooed at first,

862
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: but it's really true. If this was two it's one thing.

863
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: What if it was, you know, the backup wide receiver.

864
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: What if it was a backup tight end. What if

865
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: it was a guard, a backup guard or somebody you

866
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: think they play that guy? Are they as careful with

867
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: him or as uncareful with him as they were with

868
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: their starting quarterback. I don't know if you get the

869
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: same answer. Yeah, speaking of concussion protocol, and I'll give

870
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: credit where it is to again. Job Biscalia from the

871
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: athletic spoke to Ryan Bates in the locker room. As

872
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: we mentioned, he was practicing out there today without a

873
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: writ non contact jersey, and he said that Ryan Bates

874
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: told him he is out of the concussion protocol and

875
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: prepared to play on Sunday for the bill. So that's

876
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: an update there. Final thing. ESPN's Kimberly Martin was talking

877
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: to John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens head coach. She asked him

878
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: about concussions and Harbaugh said he was quote astonished by

879
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: what he saw last night with Tua and added that

880
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: he could not believe what he saw last week either.

881
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: It's nice to know there's a voice of reason out

882
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: there something. Well, there's more than one and none of

883
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: them and I get it too. I mean, thirty one

884
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: teams are gonna pile on the Dolphins right now, and

885
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: I think they should. Sorry. The simple fact of the

886
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: matter is when the guy got up and staggered, after

887
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: never grabbing his back, never going back toward hurt, never

888
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: grabbing it or thinking that it might be a back

889
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: injury or anything other than the head injury, when right

890
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: when it happened, he reached up to his head and

891
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: his face mask is trying, you know, steady himself and

892
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: shook his head twice. When he got up once and

893
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: then took a couple of steps and shook it again

894
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: and then staggered to the ground. All of that that

895
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: I just described in the protocols that I'm thinking about,

896
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: and the way I understand it, is a absolute disqualification

897
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: for that game. Guy can't play anymore, period end. It's

898
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: not even a question. It's known as a no go.

899
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Cannot go any further in that game. But yet one

900
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: series latest three plays, Yeah, one series later, he's back

901
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: in like nothing happened. We have to take a break here.

902
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: When we come back second hour, the show will be

903
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: kicked off by our good friend, senior producer from NFL Films,

904
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: Greg Cosell, to join us and discuss the x's and

905
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: oh's of this matchup between the Bills and the Ravens.

906
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: He's coming up next year on One Bills Live present

907
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: by Collid to Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio is One

908
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: Billslide presented by called Light to Health. We're number two

909
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: on a Friday. Chris Brown Steve tasking with you and

910
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: join now making his weekly appearance, the senior producer from

911
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: NFL Films and also co host of ESPN's NFL Matchup show.

912
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: It is the one and only Greg co Sell doing?

913
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Is Chris Collinsworth slide in here on a Friday? Are

914
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: we doing? Greg? I'm doing okay? Guys? How are you?

915
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: We're pretty good. We're on the mend here. We're we're

916
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: healing up the roster. We've we've got our band aids

917
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: ready and Brownie's had to patch this thing together and

918
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 1: Brownie's out of the concussion protocols right. Yeah. How's How's

919
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: Bill's mafia doing? I want to make sure everybody's okay.

920
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: I think they're okay for the most part. I haven't

921
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: seen them take a loss this much in stride in

922
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: a long time, because they realized that there was you know,

923
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: with the roster depletion, of the heat exhaustion on top

924
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: of losing guys during the game, and the fact that

925
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, they still had chances to win it at

926
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: the end. I'm they were pretty much like, Okay, we

927
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna we weren't gonna go seventeen and oh anyway,

928
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: um let's just get it move on. Well, crazy game.

929
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to stay hydrated just watching it. Yeah,

930
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it was oppressive, like to a man,

931
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Like we were talking, there's a lot of South Florida

932
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: guys on this Bill's roster, and a lot of them

933
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: said that is in the top two of the hottest

934
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: games they have ever laid in and they're from there.

935
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: So like Greg Russo, for example, you know who played

936
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: at Miami is from Miami. He's like, yeah, that was

937
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: top two hottest game I've ever played in. So it

938
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: was it was oppressive, for sure. But let's let's move

939
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: ahead to this week's game. Greg and incidentally Greg co

940
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: Sales Weekly Segment presented by Scott lon Yard, an official

941
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: commercial site work partner of the Buffalo Bills, Steve and

942
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: I have been discussing all week, Greg, how the Ravens

943
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: play a good deal of twelve and twenty one personnel,

944
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: but it's not your dad's twelve and twenty one personnel.

945
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm watching them start the game last week. They're in

946
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: twenty one and it's an empty set in the backfield.

947
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: It's not maybe conventional twenty one or twelve all the time, no,

948
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's the real one of the really

949
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: fascinating elements to this game. Guys. You know, through three games,

950
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens have only played seventeen snaps with three wide

951
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: receivers on the field. Yeah, and they play with Patrick

952
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: rica are a large, relatively large percentage of snaps and

953
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: he is really even though he's an eligible receiver, they

954
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: play with a guy who's really not a factor at

955
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: all as as a production player. So it's a different

956
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: offense than you face pretty much every week in the league,

957
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: and therefore a totally different week of preparation for the defense.

958
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I think when you add in the

959
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: fact that Lamar is such an explosive athlete in the

960
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: run game, and I'm talking the designed run game right now,

961
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: it just becomes a difficult week of prep. Now. Obviously,

962
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: in the playoffs a few years ago they beat them

963
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: and they held them without a touchdown, but it's a

964
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: new year. Everything's different. So it's just different. And you

965
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: can't really simulate Lamar Jackson's speed and explosiveness in practice,

966
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: no matter who your scout team players are. So this

967
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: is a challenge, you know, it's and they're throwing the

968
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: ball well enough that works with their run game, so

969
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, this is not an easy game,

970
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: right I. One of the things I mentioned earlier in

971
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: the show was that a lot of people call in

972
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: this show and the old, the old k Gun offense

973
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: was unique. Yeah. Sure, they went eleven personnel more than anybody,

974
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: they went really fast, and they did all that stuff,

975
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: but it was I thought it was unique more importantly

976
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: because they had a Hall of Fame quarterback, of Hall

977
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: of Fame running back in two Hall of Fame wide receivers. Now,

978
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that, I'm not putting those labels on

979
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: the Baltimore offense, but it's unique the way they run it,

980
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: and it's maybe not Hall of Fame guys yet, but

981
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: they got some guys that can really run that offense well.

982
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: And not only is it unique in that respect, they've

983
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: got some talented guys running it. Yeah, it seems to me.

984
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, again, I'm simplifying, but that's you know. And

985
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: obviously there's many variables and coaches and coach details and

986
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: nuance and subtlety that you know, I certainly don't know

987
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 1: about because I'm not in the meetings and probably would

988
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: take too long to discuss even if we knew about.

989
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: But it seems to me when you play the Ravens,

990
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things you have to deal with.

991
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: You have to deal with the designed run game of

992
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Now you always hear the words discipline, assignment, football,

993
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: those are all true that those words are out there

994
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: for a reason, But you have to deal with that.

995
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: Then the other thing, the second thing you have to

996
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: deal with is Mark Andrews, because he is clearly far

997
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: and away the number one target and he runs free

998
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot. And one reason he runs free is because

999
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: of the Lamar Jackson run game element. And then the

1000
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: third thing you have to make sure doesn't just break

1001
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: your will is the second reaction improvisational runs by Lamar.

1002
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: So those three things are really what their offense is,

1003
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: and you're not going to stop it on every single play, obviously,

1004
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: but you can't let that be the deciding factor in

1005
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: the game. And if it is the deciding factor in

1006
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: the game, then you're gonna have a tough time, right

1007
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, we know about the pass catching

1008
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: exploits of Mark Andrews greg but Isaiah likely is an

1009
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: intriguing additional option. Would you he doesn't strike me as

1010
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: a traditional tight end in any sense of the word.

1011
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's Mike Gisicki, but is he Would

1012
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: you call him like a tight receiver? He's kind of

1013
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: a hybrid. He is well he was. He was a

1014
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: detached player at Coastal Carolina Brownie, So he's not a

1015
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: traditional attached tight end. In fact, Andrews truly isn't either.

1016
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: There are times Andrews will be attached, but he's not

1017
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: really a traditional tight end in that sense either. So

1018
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: you made a really good point at the start. They'll

1019
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: they'll play with two tight ends, likely and Andrews. They'll play,

1020
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes with three tight ends, but they rarely

1021
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: line up in a way that would be considered conventional

1022
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: or normal based on you know, football history, So they could,

1023
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: like you said, they can be an empty out of

1024
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: twelve personnel with Andrews, and likely they can be an

1025
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: empty out of any personnel package. And by the way,

1026
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: spreading the field because the Lamar run game element comes

1027
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: into play there too, because the defense has to spread out.

1028
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, likely is he plays I guess about twenty

1029
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: snaps a game, twenty two snaps a game. But he's

1030
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of a I wouldn't call him a big wide

1031
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: out because he's not quite that explosive, but he does

1032
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: have wide receiver elements to his game more than a

1033
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: traditional tight end. How do most defenses treat those tightens?

1034
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: Do they treat him as wide outs or do they

1035
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: make you Do you have defenses make a wholesale personnel

1036
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: changes against these guys or do they kind of get

1037
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: set and just go Well, the biggest, the biggest question

1038
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: that you face as a defense is how do you

1039
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: want to match up to the size versus the speed? Okay,

1040
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: because obviously they play Ricard who's a three hundred pound

1041
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: essentially a three hundred pound offensive lineman. Okay, but he's

1042
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: on the field a lot and then you have two

1043
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: tight ends. So the big question you have, and it

1044
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: may not be a question for the Bills, but that

1045
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: teams normally have, is are we going to play bass

1046
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: because of the size or are we going to play

1047
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: nickel because of the speed of Lamar? Because the bigger

1048
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: guys you have on the field, the slower they are.

1049
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: So what is your thought on this? I mean, we

1050
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: know that the Bills are a nickel defense. That's what

1051
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: they are and have been for a number of years.

1052
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: I would think they would stay with that and play

1053
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: for the speed and not the size. Yeah, I think

1054
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: you got to keep a lid on him and the

1055
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: big play is what kills you in these games, and

1056
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: I think you know to do that, you got to

1057
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: keep as much speed on the field as you can.

1058
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: They do have one. And I'm sorry, Brownie, but I

1059
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: was just gonna say. And Johnson to me, We've talked

1060
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: about him numerous times. He's an aggressive, competitive, physical player.

1061
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: He's a good tackler in the box. I mean, you

1062
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: can line him up. There have been plenty of snaps

1063
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: of this season where he's essentially if you didn't know

1064
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: who he was, he just looked like, you know, a linebacker. Yeah,

1065
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: and Harbaugh was even throwing bouquets out yesterday about tarn

1066
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: Johnson and what he means to Buffalo's defense and how

1067
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: they're able to stay in nickel as much as they do.

1068
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: The only way I could see that changing is if

1069
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: for some reason they're getting gashed in the run game

1070
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: and they want to put a third linebacker on the field.

1071
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: And a guy who's kind of an interesting option for

1072
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: them is the rookie Terrell Bernard because he's only about

1073
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: two twenty five as a linebacker, and he has coverability.

1074
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: So if you want to turn to him to maybe

1075
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: get a little bit more beef on the field, I

1076
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: don't think you lose. He doesn't cover like Taron Johnson,

1077
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: but he can cover, I guess, is what I'm saying,

1078
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: more than maybe a true base linebacker would, more than

1079
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: let's say, Dotson last year, who you know, was a

1080
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: third linebacker when they did go to a third linebacker.

1081
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: You know, one question is too one of the sort

1082
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: of founding elements of the design run games, the read option. Okay,

1083
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: I actually broke down Lamar's thirty eight yard run in

1084
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: the Matchup show this week because it was so clean.

1085
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: It was a read option then, and the widest defender

1086
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage, and they do a great

1087
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: job of getting to it. What they did is they

1088
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: showed sweep action with Justice Hill, so the widest defender

1089
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: actually jumped outside and that's set up the power run

1090
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: by Lamar and it was thirty eight yards. So the

1091
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: question is what do you want to take away? And

1092
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: this is hard, but you have to practice this because

1093
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: this comes down to the discipline and the assignment football

1094
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: we spoke about at the top, is when they run

1095
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: that kind of play, do you want your defensive end

1096
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: the widest man on the line of scrimmag because they're

1097
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: a four down line. Do you want him jumping outside

1098
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: worried about the sweep or do you hope your team speed,

1099
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, with Milano and Edmonds runs down the sweep

1100
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: and you make sure that Lamar hands it off as

1101
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: opposed to keeping so because anytime there's an option, you know,

1102
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: and you guys know this, anytime there's an option in

1103
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: a play, the defense can dictate what the play is.

1104
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: You know. That's why for years when the read option

1105
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: first sort of came into the league, and like what

1106
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, thirteen, fourteen, whatever it was. You know what

1107
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: teams started to do with quarterbacks that could run, was

1108
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: they just they basically stayed outside and made him hand

1109
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: it off, you know, or stayed you know. And you

1110
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: can make the guy the quarterback handed off, you can

1111
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: take away the option. So it all depends who you

1112
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: want to have the ball, you know, you really And

1113
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: here's a great example, same kind of concept with a

1114
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: sweep element that we're looking at. You know, you you

1115
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: would probably and this is the play, this is the

1116
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: thirty eight yard or I'm breaking down in the matchup show,

1117
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: you would prefer him to give the ball to Justice Heill.

1118
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: So you know, you have to play with discipline, you know,

1119
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: you have to make him hand it off. Yeah, it's hard.

1120
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: Most defenses will have a call and they'll make the decision.

1121
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: And when they call the defense as to what they're

1122
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna do, they've got to be ready for that play. Now,

1123
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: certainly they make the call and then they run a

1124
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: different play. It's a but yeah, but you know, you

1125
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: hear defenders talk about how they study film and they

1126
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: make the call. They decide before the play even happens.

1127
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: If it does take place, they're they're gonna want, you know,

1128
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: due to the game plan, they're gonna want this guy

1129
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: to carry the ball or that guy to carry the ball,

1130
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: and it could vary depending on which running back is

1131
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: back there. They might right, and it also varies on

1132
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: the backfield run action. Like the play I'm speaking about

1133
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: that I didn't match up. It's sweep action outside because

1134
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: Lamar is going to run inside with a power run.

1135
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: A lot of times in the zone read there's inside

1136
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,959
Speaker 1: zone run action and the quarterback will go outside. So

1137
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: it's it's not no one suggesting it's easy. That's why

1138
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson rushes for a hundred yards, you know, and

1139
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: I think he's done that a couple of times this

1140
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: season already. So this is not easy. It's you know, Now,

1141
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: obviously Sean and Leslie have been doing this a long time,

1142
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: and they'll have ideas on how they want to go

1143
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: about doing it, but it's still not an easy task.

1144
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: Let's flip it around to Baltimore's defense here, Greg and

1145
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: it was a defense that looked like it was still

1146
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: trying to fit all the pieces together the first couple

1147
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: of weeks. They still gave up a ton of yardage

1148
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: to the Patriots, but they pull that game out because

1149
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: of some fourth quarter takeaways. What would be your characterization

1150
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: of those takeaways. I know Humphrey had to pick and

1151
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: so did Peters. Yeah, I mean, well, let's look at

1152
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: the defense as a hall because you know, obviously those

1153
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: plays came last week against Mac Jones. I think it's

1154
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: a defense that they can throw the ball against. Personally,

1155
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, the key is obviously protection. I think they're

1156
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: going to feel that they can throw the ball. You know,

1157
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: I think that Look, their secondary is not the same

1158
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: as it was a few years back. I don't think

1159
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: Peters is quite the player he was. I think Humphrey

1160
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: is a good player. But I think they can throw

1161
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: it against this defense. And I think that you know

1162
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: is Dave Davis is he is he good to go

1163
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: or not? He said he's going to play. Okay, now,

1164
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: obviously he dropped a touchdown last week and they would

1165
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: have won the game if he caught that ball. But um,

1166
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: but I don't think when you played this team as

1167
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: they're presently constituted right now, I think they will be

1168
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: able to throw it. And and look they you know,

1169
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: it's funny they drafted the rookie Hamilton from Notre Dame

1170
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: who's obviously played, but they've also got, you know, two

1171
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: other safeties that they play a lot of. You know,

1172
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams is for the most part of back end safety,

1173
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: and he's very good at that, so you got to

1174
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: be careful with him, you know, as you try to

1175
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Um. You know what

1176
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: this Bill's offense has essentially morphed into is all these

1177
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: quick game throws that take the place of the run game.

1178
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Josh has become pretty precise with these throws.

1179
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: He's become really accurate in the short game and it

1180
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: replaces the run game, but it's still not the same

1181
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 1: as the run game. This game, this game st Yeah,

1182
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: because of that. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut

1183
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: you off. But this ahead, this looks like a game

1184
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: that is going to be a high scoring game. I

1185
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: mean the Yeah, the Ravens are hang thirty points you

1186
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: know in their sleep, and the Bills if you're telling,

1187
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: if you're it's your assertion, which I agree with you,

1188
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: that they can throw the football on these guys. The

1189
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: Bill is going to run it up too. Yeah, I

1190
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 1: would agree with that. Now, Baltimore is not as man

1191
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: heavy as they we tend to think of them in

1192
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 1: their heyday. They don't play as much because I don't

1193
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: think they feel as comfortable doing that, you know, because

1194
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: that's you know, I don't think their people are quite

1195
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,440
Speaker 1: the same. But it's a team that normally plays predominantly

1196
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: single high safety coverage, so you know, I think you

1197
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: can try to work the seams now. Markus Williams is

1198
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: a very good back end safety. He was with the

1199
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: Saints for years, So you can try to work the seams,

1200
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: and I think they'll be opportunities to do that. I mean,

1201
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,440
Speaker 1: it's a team that has a lot of different packages,

1202
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: so we'll see, you know, who they put out there.

1203
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: Although overall they they've probably not played as you know,

1204
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: they will play a lot of dime depending on the situation.

1205
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: You could see them play a lot of dime in

1206
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: this game. So we'll see. But yeah, to me, it's

1207
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: all it's all up front. You know. If they can

1208
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: limit the pass rush, I think they can really throw

1209
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: it effectively. And that leads me to my next question,

1210
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: Greg and the last one for me. Their pass rush

1211
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: has been inconsistent, to say the least. I realized Justin

1212
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: Houston's battling a groin injury. He's probably hasn't been one

1213
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: hundred percent through the first couple of weeks. They signed

1214
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul, who, based on Houston's availability, may have

1215
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: to play this week after just signing, and Alway has

1216
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: been curiously invisible with respect to their passwords. What's going

1217
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: on there? Yeah? Yeah, Well they just have not, you know,

1218
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: been producing a whole lot. They've not been able to

1219
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: generate pressure, you know, so you have to rely on

1220
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: your back end. And obviously the team they played last

1221
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: week against Mac Jones is nothing like the Bills, and

1222
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: obviously the quarterbacks are nothing alike. Um. You know, like

1223
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: I said, it's a team that will play a lot

1224
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: of packages. They play a lot of dime. They play

1225
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: almost as much dime as they play nickel. So you're

1226
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of six defensive back looks

1227
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: and that's going to be interesting, you know, to see

1228
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: how the Bills approach that that we know they're not

1229
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: going to morph into a running football team. That's not

1230
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: going to happen. But obviously, when you have six defensive

1231
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: backs instead of five, you've got you know, a whole

1232
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: different way you can play defense. So you know, that's

1233
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: something we'll have to see as the game progresses. I

1234
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: think they'll move their receivers around a lot, uh, you know,

1235
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: and I think they'll they'll they'll. You know, one of

1236
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 1: the things I was told early on by a defensive

1237
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: code coach in the NFL for years is you got

1238
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: to attack the seams and see how a team plays it.

1239
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously if you play single high, the

1240
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: seams can be available and you've got to attack it.

1241
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: You've got to attack the seams vertically and see how

1242
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: they're going to play that, and then you can work

1243
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: off that. Is there any chance last one for me, Greg,

1244
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: Is there any chance that the Baltimore Ravens do go

1245
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: dime most of the time and just dare the Bills

1246
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: to run it because they are running game of struggles?

1247
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me for a second. Look, they have two

1248
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: safeties and Williams and Clark, and they drafted Hamilton's They

1249
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: could easily play three safeties and three corners. And you know,

1250
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: take the approach that, hey, if you want to hand

1251
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: the ball off, have fun. You know that you're not

1252
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: going to beat us. Handing the ball off. So yeah,

1253
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: I could see that one hundred percent. Because why at

1254
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: this point, and you hate to say it, but you

1255
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: have to go with what the tape shows and what

1256
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: the reality is. Why would at this point, Steve, any

1257
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: team truly be worried about the Bills run game. That's right? Yeah, okay,

1258
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: all right, Greg, thanks as always, enjoy the Week four

1259
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: action here this weekend, we'll keep an eye out for

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Speaker 1: you on ESPN's NFL Matchup Show. Thanks, guys, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, that's great. Co sales senior producer

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Speaker 1: from NFL Films and co hosts of ESPN's NFL Matchup Show.

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Speaker 1: We will take a break here, but when we return,

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Speaker 1: we've got more Bills Ravens Week four breakdown as we

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Speaker 1: have former Ravens tight end Daniel Wilcox joining us. He's

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Speaker 1: the co host of the Believe in Ravens podcast. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch up with him next here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Collid to Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Dasker

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Speaker 1: with you, and join now by a former Ravens tight

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Speaker 1: end who is the co host of the Belief in

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Speaker 1: Ravens podcast, which is available wherever podcasts are found, and

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Speaker 1: it's Daniel Wilcox. Daniel, how you doing. Thanks for giving

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Speaker 1: us some time here heading into this week four matchup.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, it's my pleasure being on with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Yeah. So I want to

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Speaker 1: begin with what seems to be different about the Ravens

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Speaker 1: offense through the first three games. There is a quick

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Speaker 1: strike element that has surfaced in the passing game that

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we saw with a tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: of consistency from Lamar in the past. That's not to

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Speaker 1: say they've never had a four play scoring drive in

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Speaker 1: their life, but this year it seems to be far

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Speaker 1: more frequent, as he is taking advantage of the outside

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Speaker 1: speed that he has with DuVernay and Bateman. What has happened?

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Speaker 1: We call it a transformation? Are we calling this a trend?

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Speaker 1: Is this a new look to their offense? What do

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Speaker 1: you think? To be honest, what you I just think

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Speaker 1: is an evolution of a player. You know you're watching Lamar.

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Speaker 1: You watched him over the years. He came in as

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Speaker 1: a rookie and a second year guy an MVP, and

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Speaker 1: you know last year, you know, getting banged up and

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Speaker 1: getting hurt and you really missed him. You know, people

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Speaker 1: forgot how good the guy really was. You know, he

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Speaker 1: got hurt last years or early. They had about forty

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Speaker 1: injuries on the offensive defensive side of the ball last year.

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Speaker 1: And he really struggled late in the season right before

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Speaker 1: he got hurt, because he missed all his offensive line

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Speaker 1: and all his running backs and you know, receivers was down.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was, I mean, tight ends were down.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was down, you know, and then he got hurt

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Speaker 1: the top of it off, and then people kind of

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01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: forgot exactly who Lamar was. Um he missed all the

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Speaker 1: preseason because everybody, you know, a hardball shut everything down

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Speaker 1: for the veteran guys preseason. And now you're getting a

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Speaker 1: chance to see your first witness of him the first

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Speaker 1: game of the season since he got hurt last year.

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Speaker 1: And I think people just really kind of fell asleep

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Speaker 1: on thehim. And you know, everybody was was questioning whether

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Speaker 1: or not they was going to have a passing game

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Speaker 1: because you know, the receiver's left, you know, Hollywood left

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Speaker 1: on went to Arizona and so everybody was questioning was

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01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: or not Bateman and du when they could get the

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Speaker 1: job done. And you know du When they had always

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Speaker 1: been a special team stud you know, and he's played

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01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: well and you know he could run and catch and

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Speaker 1: do all the things that great receivers can. And Bateman

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Speaker 1: was a guy that came on last year and make

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Speaker 1: some hacker for plays for the Ravens. And this year

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Speaker 1: what you're seeing is them getting a chance to put

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Speaker 1: their their talents on display because there is no other guy,

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, so he's getting the ball to the guys

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Speaker 1: that are open right now. His evolution as a pastor,

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Speaker 1: to me, has been phenomenal. And I've always thought he

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Speaker 1: was a great pastor from jump. I never questioned his

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Speaker 1: ability to throw the ball. I mean, you watched him

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Speaker 1: in high school. He threw it well. You watched him

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Speaker 1: at Louisville, he threw it well. And he's been throwing

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Speaker 1: it well since he's been in the league. You know,

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Speaker 1: people really have an issue with you're tight end being

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Speaker 1: the number one receiver, But I mean when you had

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Speaker 1: Tony guns ollets, nobody complained. You know, It's it's just

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Speaker 1: so weird to me. You know, we had Shannon Sharp

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Speaker 1: out there and nobody complained. You know, you had such

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Speaker 1: great tight ends back in the day. Heck, Ozzie knew

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Speaker 1: Soon for the Ravens was a tight end. Let's not

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Speaker 1: forget that he's a Hall of Famer too as well.

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Speaker 1: So I love the fact that his you know, his

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Speaker 1: leading receiver is a tight end. I think I think, Um,

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Speaker 1: I think he's a stud. You know, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think Mark, I think he's a stud. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think he should continue to get the ball to

1343
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: him and throw the ball to him plenty, plenty enough

1344
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: because it opened things up on the outside edge and

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: lamar overall as a player. And this is one of

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Speaker 1: my main things, Chris, I say this all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, people complain that he's you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: running back. He's not a real quarterback. You know what

1349
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Speaker 1: constitutes a real quarterback? Are we're talking about old school

1350
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: times or new school times? Because new school times you

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: got to be able to be mobile, and you got

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: to be able to move at the quarterback spot. You

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: can't sit back there like a sitting duck anymore and

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Speaker 1: just standing the pocket the whole time. It's too athletic,

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Speaker 1: it's too many athletic guys coming off the edge. You know,

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Speaker 1: you got a ton of freaking Lawrence Taylor caliber defensive

1357
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: ends and outside backers that are rushing the quarterback now,

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Speaker 1: so the guys have to be mobile. And if you

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Speaker 1: take he got design runs. Most quarterbacks in this league

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Speaker 1: do not have design runs. Lamar actually have design runs

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Speaker 1: because he's that talented. So he gets punished for being

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01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: talented a talented quarterback. He's just more talented than other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Other quarterbacks only run the ball when they get flushed

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket, and they actually call run plays

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Speaker 1: for him. So those run plays, if you take those

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Speaker 1: run plays and you calculate them with his pass plays,

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Speaker 1: then he's throwing the ball, you know, thirty five or

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Speaker 1: forty times a game because he runs the ball ten

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Speaker 1: or fifteen times a game. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: about this offense as well, I mean, you're right, you

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Speaker 1: talk about Lamar, you talk about Josh Allen, They've got

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Speaker 1: a called run game for him. Pat Mahomes doesn't really

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Speaker 1: run it, but he picks his spots and extends so

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Speaker 1: many plays. The only reason he doesn't run it more

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Speaker 1: is because he decides to throw it instead of running

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: it on extended plays, and of course Kyler Murray same thing.

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Speaker 1: He gets out and can run and they give him

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: once in a while, they'll give him a designed run

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: or what or he always has the option to pull

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Speaker 1: it down. The athleticism has really along with with Lamar

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Speaker 1: winning the MVP and now Josh Allen being a favorite

1382
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: and playing at a high level with a running game

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01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: with his number on it, that's really changed the landscape

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: of what it's like to defend these offenses as well.

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Speaker 1: How have you seen Lamar take advantage of that? I'm

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01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: he's throwing the ball now better. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 1: he is. They've got a real life passing game with

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01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: DuVernay and Bateman and Anderson of course, but man, oh man,

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Speaker 1: he is he can beat you from the pocket. Now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Steve, let me let me say this

1391
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: right here, because you could definitely relate to this being

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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: a you know, a special team studd back in the

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: day to where you were and to play the way

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01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: you played at the wide receiver spot. You have a

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01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: bunch of guys with no egos, right right. You know,

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01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: you go get those guys, you draft them, but you

1397
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: know they wasn't coming in to be the number one guy,

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: but that didn't mean they didn't have number one possibilities

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01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: or capabilities. You know how this goes. This is a

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01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: bunch of phenomenal guys that sits on the bench in

1401
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: the NFL, and people like, man, that guy sucks. Really,

1402
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: it's really not about a guy sucking in the NFL.

1403
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: Everybody is phenomenal players in the NFL. Everybody's really really good.

1404
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,919
Speaker 1: The issue is is confidence, right, you know, like your confidence.

1405
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: You get certain coaches that helped build confidence, and you

1406
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 1: get certain coaches that tear down confidence, and then you

1407
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: make a play here or play there, and all of

1408
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 1: a sudden, your confidence level rises. And now you got

1409
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: guys like DuVernay and Bateman out here that was kind

1410
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: of sitting in the wings, kind of waking their turn.

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01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, Hollywood was like, I wanted to be more

1412
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: of an impact player. He wanted to be the guy.

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01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: He knew he was the guy when they drafted him.

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: He wanted to be the guy now and he felt

1415
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,480
Speaker 1: like that he couldn't. He wasn't a star in Baltimore

1416
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: and wanted to go chase his start them. You know,

1417
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: so now you've got two guys that was kind of

1418
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: waiting in the wheams that are kind of unselfish. You know,

1419
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: they don't really care if they're to start not. They

1420
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: just want to play, and they just want to play

1421
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. And Lamar he's gonna throw the

1422
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: ball to the open guy. He's that advanced. He's a

1423
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: sharp guy. And actually, I keep trying to express this

1424
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: to people too. You know, he graduated high school early,

1425
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: he left Louisville early. You know, he's still the youngest

1426
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL doing what he's doing right now,

1427
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: and you have to respect that. You know, Josh Allen

1428
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: is two years older than Lamar Jackson right now, so

1429
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: just imagine Will Lamar would be two years from them,

1430
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, at twenty five instead of twenty three. So

1431
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: it's just mentally in my mind, like I played this

1432
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: thing over and over again, man, and I'm just I'm

1433
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: I'm extremely impressed with how well he throws the ball,

1434
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: knowing his age, and even though he's been the league

1435
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: just as long as some of these guys, it's because

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01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: he left college early and left high school earlier, and

1437
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: people really forget that he won the highsman is sophomore

1438
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: year of college. He won the mvb is sophomore year

1439
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He got this, guys, He's a talented individual. Man.

1440
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to see him continue to evolve and

1441
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: see what the things takes him, because I really think

1442
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: it's going to be something special. Daniel, Let's flip it around,

1443
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: because you know you mentioned how Lamar has to be

1444
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: mobile in this age of pass rushers. You know that

1445
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: the Bills now have Von Miller, but they also have

1446
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: a young kid, Greg Rousseau, who has three and a

1447
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: half sacks very quietly in his first three games. We

1448
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: know that the left tackle position has been a little

1449
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: bit of a revolving door. Ronnie Stanley might have a

1450
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: chance to play this week. McCarry, his backup, has an

1451
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: ankle injury. He's a little iffy. And I know you

1452
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: got the rookie mountain of a man file Ale who

1453
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: had to finish the game there a left tackle last week.

1454
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: What is the level of concern with Buffalo's pass rush

1455
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: from what you're hearing down there in Baltimore. Well, I mean,

1456
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: anytime you got you know, two guys like Rousseau and

1457
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: Von Miller coming off the edge. It's always a concern, right,

1458
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: And the way this thing works, Chris, is that we

1459
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: goal and we break down film, and when we break

1460
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: down the film, we try to figure out who's the best,

1461
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: which one of these guys are most most dominant. You know,

1462
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: if you see von Miller getting double team every single

1463
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,560
Speaker 1: play and then Russo is making plays on one on

1464
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: one guys, then you're gonna do the same than You're

1465
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: gonna double team von Miller. You're gonna take him out.

1466
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: And you always try to figure out the way they

1467
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: eliminate the biggest threat. All right, So who's their best player?

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01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: Who who's gonna make the Pro Bowl off this one

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01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: game if we don't block them, right, and you look

1470
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: at von Miller and you got to get a respect

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01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: to what their respect is. Do So you're gonna put

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01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: one or two guys or three guys on Vonne Miller

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01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 1: almost every single play, and then that's gonna give them

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: Russo opportunity to make some players. That's why he sneakingly

1475
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: got three and a half sacks. You know. So at

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01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: the end of the day, excuse me, you take out

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01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: their best player, eliminate their best player so that he

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01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: doesn't become a Pro Bowl in the game that you

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01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: play them and then you let the chips fall as

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01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: they may. You chip, you put a tight end over there.

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: You can do an extra linement over there. You bring

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01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: the full back out and let him chip lit a

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01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 1: tight end, chip them anything to slow him down. You

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: tell the tackle to cut them, you know, every now

1485
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: and then mix them up so he could slow down

1486
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: coming off the edge. How has the Ravens How is

1487
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense evolved from last year and over the

1488
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: last three or four years. That's a great question. Um,

1489
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: you know from last year. I mean it's let's face it,

1490
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: we all know what what's the evolution. Everybody was hurt

1491
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: last year, all your corners was out, all your safeties

1492
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: was out right. You know, you went and got two

1493
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: new safety that the ball hawks this year and playmakers,

1494
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: and they got sized and they got big guys like

1495
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, Peters is not a small corner. You know,

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01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: Um Humphries is a huge corner. And now you got

1497
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: Williams back there, who's ballhawking, and he got decent size

1498
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: to him at Hamilton that you just got to know,

1499
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: youre Dame. That's a fresh rookie kid. That's um that's

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01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 1: fresh and gonna give you some of that fresh juice

1501
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: back there in that safety spot. And he's a big

1502
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: guy too. He's a six four or six five guy.

1503
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: He's a lone body, you know. So they look imposing

1504
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: physically when you look at them dB wise, it's some

1505
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: of the biggest dbs in the league. And they could run,

1506
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: they could cover, and they're they're all athletic. You know.

1507
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: It's a pretty it's a pretty exceptional secondary. And what

1508
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: I think people don't understand is that the Ravens still

1509
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: got tricks in their backs. They got guys that are

1510
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: hurt right now, that's on I R, on the publist

1511
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: that's coming off during the season, and then all of

1512
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're gonna get a little bit better. You're

1513
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh god, you know, they got a

1514
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: new pass rusher just got in and he's sick. Then

1515
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: they just signed Jason Pierre Paul. You know, you got

1516
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: another veteran guy to come in with Claris Campbell, who's

1517
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: gonna deserve some respect as soon as he understands what's

1518
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: going on in this defense. And the evolution of it

1519
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: has been kind of crazy because you lose a wink

1520
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: Martindale and you bring in the Mike McDonald, Who's who's

1521
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: underneath wink? And um, you know they you know, it

1522
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: goes all the way back for Rex Ryan to me,

1523
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: I love Rex. I love the anticipation and the understanding

1524
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: of how to break down every team's offense. You know,

1525
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: where the weak spot said, who's the weakest link, We're

1526
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna put pressure on him, and then we're

1527
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: gonna give everybody a chance at him. You know, whoever

1528
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: the weakest link is, he gonna see all the level

1529
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: of all players at some point of the game, and

1530
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna get to the QB. And the

1531
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: Ravens have always done a phenomenal job of just trying

1532
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: to confuse you just for a split second. That split

1533
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: second of confusion would cause all type of trouble tip passes, rush,

1534
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: thrown balls, interceptions, fumbles, everything. So I mean the Ravens

1535
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: are back in the turnover column again this year and

1536
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: I really like that. You know, I think they got

1537
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: six interceptions already on the season, and it's only gonna

1538
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: continue to go, you know, get hired and hire what

1539
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: the dbs They have only got about a minute left here, Daniel.

1540
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: So the last one I've got for you concerns the

1541
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: Ravens run game. You know, last year it was a

1542
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: revolving door due to injury. JK. Dobbins just got back

1543
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: last week, it looked like, at least from the outside looking,

1544
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: and they had him on a little bit of a

1545
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: pitch count. I know Justice Hill is healthy and has

1546
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: some juice to add to that run game. What how

1547
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: would you assess the status of that run game right now?

1548
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: And do you anticipate um Dobbins still being on a

1549
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a pitch count even this week. Yeah,

1550
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: I definitely do. I think last year was more. I mean,

1551
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: last week was more of a tester for him to

1552
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of get a feel for where he felt. He

1553
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: didn't even look like he was running hard some of

1554
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: the times, you know he got the ball. He was

1555
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: just trying to get a feel for the game again himself,

1556
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, the live contact and everything. So, I mean,

1557
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: he went out there and gave it as all and

1558
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: I think it's going to continue to go up and up.

1559
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: But you could tell instantly that the Patriots recognized that

1560
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: he was out there. They respected the fact that he

1561
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: was out there. That's why Lamar had the runs that

1562
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 1: he had, because they was literally Kin on Dobbins instead

1563
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: of King on Lamar, and that allowed him Lamar to

1564
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 1: be freer and run better. And then Justice Hill took

1565
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of that action too and had a really, really,

1566
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: really big game. Justice Hill is at full speed right now.

1567
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: It looks like to me he's at one hundred percent.

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01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: Dobbins looked like he right around nineteen to ninety five

1569
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: and maybe a hundred but just you know, still just

1570
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: knocking some of that rust off. It'll be interesting to

1571
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: see what happens once, you know, Dobbins go four speed again.

1572
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: He still looks strong, he still looks big, he still

1573
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: looks twitchy and fast, and then you know who else

1574
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: is coming back, you know, pretty soon. Gus Edwards, Danny Wilcox,

1575
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: thanks so much for spending some time with and I've

1576
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: been trying to get you on all week and I'm

1577
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: glad we finally made it on the last day of

1578
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,799
Speaker 1: the week. Thanks for coming on, man. Good luck this weekend.

1579
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's a pleasure to go on with you guys. Man,

1580
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, I really appreciate it, you know, thank you

1581
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: for having me on Apreciate the Time. That's Daniel Wilcox,

1582
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 1: former Ravens tight end and hosted the Belief In Ravens podcast,

1583
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: which you can get on any and all of your

1584
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: podcast platform. Steve and I take a break here, but

1585
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:15,520
Speaker 1: we wrap it up with some final thoughts on Bills Ravens.

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01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Next here on one Bill's Live. Stay tuned. Time for

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01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,479
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1589
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Steve build a game plan for the

1590
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: Bill's offense. Bill's offense has gotta come out if they're

1591
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna throw the football because of the conditions. I think

1592
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 1: it's got to be short, precise, quick release rhythm passing

1593
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: to get it out shorter. The ball shouldn't be in

1594
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: the air very long. Plus I think they should do

1595
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: some RPOs as well, run pass options. If the Baltimore

1596
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Ravens come out in five or six dbs, you gotta

1597
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: make could consider it effort to run the football right

1598
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,560
Speaker 1: at him and he got to win. You've got to

1599
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: get him out of their diamond nickel package so that

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01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: if you do have to throw it, you can do

1601
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: it out of the right personnel and you can do

1602
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: it on down distanance that aren't impossible. So you got

1603
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: to run the football well enough against their light boxes

1604
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: if there is indeed, if indeed they do have light boxes,

1605
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: you got to make hay in that. And of course

1606
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: your red zone offense has gotta score touchdowns, not field goals.

1607
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: For me, on the defensive side of the ball, I

1608
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: think it's about squeezing the pocket. The defensive front has

1609
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: to squeeze the pocket down in tight in a concerted

1610
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: effort like it's got to be working in concert that

1611
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: whole rush. All four of those guys. They can't leave

1612
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: any cracks in squeezing the pocket down because you don't

1613
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: want to give Lamar an escape lane to take off

1614
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: and run forty or fifty yards. So a disciplined pass

1615
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: rush that can squeeze the pocket and constricted to a

1616
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: point where Lamar can't function in there, I think we'll

1617
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,919
Speaker 1: go a long way in kind of rendering that passing

1618
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: game manageable and not explosive, which is what they have been.

1619
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve, when facing the blitz, Lamar Jackson's got

1620
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: three hundred fifty two passing yards six touchdowns and a

1621
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: passer rating a one fifty three point five. All of

1622
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: those numbers are number one in the league. They've got

1623
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: four touchdowns to twenty yards or more, and they've scored

1624
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: first and led after the first, second, third, and fourth quarter,

1625
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: and first, second and third quarter in all three games.

1626
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: Here's the thing this game is about this too. One

1627
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: the explosive plays allowed by either defense were gotten by

1628
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: either offense. And turnovers turnovers in this game I think

1629
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: are absolutely as important as the score because I think

1630
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be the difference. Yeah, so I'm expecting

1631
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: a close game. It's gonna be a rain show game.

1632
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: Don't think ball security could come into play in this one.

1633
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: It's a little bit harder to hold onto a wet football. Yeah,

1634
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: it's I mean, one turnover advantage to one team over

1635
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: the other. Could be that. If you can go into

1636
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: this game as an offense and not turn it over,

1637
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 1: it's it's like a touch It's like ten points to me.

1638
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: I just want the Bills to have one less turn

1639
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: over the Ravens, preferably two, and then I'd feel a

1640
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: whole lot better about them winning this one. We'll see

1641
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: you on Monday. To break it all down. We'll see

1642
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: at noon