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Speaker 1: How's Graham after the way last season ended, how has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, in his last three games, I

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Speaker 2: saw the Graham Gano that you know, he holds himself

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Speaker 3: And then I saw him there.

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Speaker 2: Too, So it was good to see him end the

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Speaker 2: season in kicking form. And he's looked good. You know,

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Speaker 2: year seventeen, a guy that's done at a high level

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Speaker 2: for a long time, there's a lot of respect that

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Speaker 2: guy has just obviously entering the building, and then when

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Speaker 2: you see the way he approaches the game. And part

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Speaker 2: of a specialist's success is not always just the production

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Speaker 2: on the field, it's how you carry yourself in the

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Speaker 2: locker room, how you take care of your body to

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Speaker 2: be present all those things that he's obviously stayed connected

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Speaker 2: to and happy he's back.

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Speaker 1: He is Jude at a point where he could legitimately

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Speaker 1: challenge for that job, Like could you have a kicking

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Speaker 3: No? No, no, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, if you're on this roster, no

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Speaker 2: matter what position you play, you're competing. You're competing to

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Speaker 2: win the job. And I think I think everybody's gonna have

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Speaker 2: a fair chance at winning whatever job it is, whether

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Speaker 2: But I would say that Jude, you know, has shown

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Speaker 3: In the game. You obviously see the Lake talent, you

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Speaker 2: Strength, all those things that you know amount to being

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Speaker 4: You guys decided to bring a mirror back and what

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Speaker 4: did you see? What did you think of that? And

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Speaker 4: what did you see from him last year as a

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Speaker 4: returner that got you to that point?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple things.

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Speaker 2: Number one, good decision maker, you know, I think when

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Speaker 2: then he obviously takes care of that football. That's probably

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Speaker 2: number one. Second thing you saw was production. You know,

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Speaker 2: the guy scored twice in this league, albeit one got

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Speaker 2: called back, but he scored twice, which not many returns

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Speaker 1: Did that?

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Speaker 3: You know, he's one of the one of the few.

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Speaker 2: And then the next thing is like you're always talking

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Speaker 2: you just hear the way he communicates to his teammates,

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Speaker 2: because I'll never claim I can cross the white line.

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Speaker 2: When he's out there, he's the voice, you know, and

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Speaker 2: which you guys obviously don't hear. But he's able to

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Speaker 2: that's why, obviously why he's had success and why we're

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Speaker 4: Just how is that helping Having a versual guy like

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Speaker 4: Javon in the mix, It can kind of be there

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, he's you know, again, on a game day,

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Speaker 2: and feel the punt, I think is critical. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's obviously a special athlete why he's had so much

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Speaker 2: many different skill sets. Like he's a guy that obviously

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Speaker 2: in general that have that ability to translate like you

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Speaker 2: that can track it, which is why he's had production

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Speaker 3: In a situation.

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Speaker 3: But there are some differences now.

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Speaker 2: So one of them being is the touchback will now

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Speaker 2: So they're little changes, and I think it's allowed for

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Speaker 3: So it's good to have this play be back.

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Speaker 2: And be part of the game and be integral part

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Speaker 2: one of those possessions is critical. You're the first play

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Speaker 2: you know, we've been obviously trying to stay connected to

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Speaker 1: I think you're a pretty I'm not mistaking you're a

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Speaker 1: pretty analytical guy. Do you know the numbers on like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so number one, I would say, I do believe

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Speaker 3: What does that look like based off of depth of kick?

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Speaker 1: If you knew how much more likely a team was

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Speaker 3: Closer and closer you get towards your own end zone.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example to my plus thirty

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Speaker 2: Backed up, that percentage obviously starts to shrink. Well, say

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Speaker 3: So that's why I love special teams.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a.

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Speaker 2: Direct correlation whether you're coming out with points or preventing points.

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Speaker 2: And that's something obviously, like I said, starting on offense,

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Speaker 4: On a wider scale, we have at spoken since the

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Speaker 3: Just collectively from all you know, where.

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Speaker 4: you maybe want to put concentration in the spring and

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Speaker 3: Great question.

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Speaker 2: So every year I do a deep dive on every

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Speaker 2: I'll look across the league, and just like I talked about, analytics,

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Speaker 2: I'll see where we favored in terms of numbers.

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Speaker 3: But again, the tape has got to be revealing to

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that the guys fought through the

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Speaker 2: lot of production happen towards the back end of the season,

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Speaker 1: I know, you don't sign you guys or whatnot, but

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Speaker 3: Say, and when you have a punter who's.

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Speaker 2: Number one, that is a that's a difficult place to

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Speaker 3: Jamie had an awesome year last year.

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Speaker 2: you pin the pponent inside the ten yard line, defense

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Speaker 2: So you know, he excelled in that fashion. The second

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Speaker 2: So Jamie just excelled in so many different attributes to

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Speaker 2: we're happy he's back, and you know, obviously he's at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris is number one.

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Speaker 2: Comes from a playoff team, you know, so you bring

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Speaker 2: and just not the veteran experience. It's a guy that's

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Speaker 2: it's like, Chris, you're the first guy up. Okay, Fellas,

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Speaker 2: That's exactly how I wanted to look like, you know,

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Speaker 2: So we call those guys tone setters. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: A guy like that, Like, was that like a goal

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Speaker 2: Has successful Yeah, yeah, No, he was a guy that

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Speaker 2: you know, I've I've followed the past few years that

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Speaker 2: I was I was ultra excited because I know his

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Speaker 3: Impact this team. So really happy, really happy that we.

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Speaker 2: Signed him and uh, you know, excited excited to coach him.

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Speaker 4: Among the draft picks, did you say when they came in,

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Speaker 4: you said, that's a that's a guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I evaluate.

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Speaker 2: Everybody that's that's a projected draftable guy, and then undrafted

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Speaker 2: free agents as well. Don't necessarily uh get into you know,

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Speaker 3: But you know, for me, when I'm evaluating.

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Speaker 2: These college guys, and there's gonna be someone along witted,

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Speaker 2: So I apologize. You see none of our game anymore

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Speaker 2: the rules. Right, new kickoff, new kickoff return, new punt,

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Speaker 2: you do see the purest form of football still block destruction,

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Speaker 2: using your hands, ball skills, football IQ. You see those

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Speaker 2: things show up offensively and defensively. So when I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at each of these players, I'm looking at what can

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Speaker 2: give you an example of Scannaboo. Scatt is a physical player.

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Speaker 2: You see that with his running style. So when I

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Speaker 2: because I know he has that physical trait. So there's

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Speaker 2: always like a piece of every one of these draft

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, preseason is going to be very telling for all

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Speaker 2: All these guys are here, and you know, they've all

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Speaker 2: in with a chip on their shoulder, excited to compete

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Speaker 2: and are truly learning the game, but also showing.

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Speaker 3: Me why they belong in this league.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I know I just singled him out,

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Speaker 2: but there's there's other guys in that.

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Speaker 3: Instance as well.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice in rookie minicamp and I

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Speaker 1: working with Katabu Abdul, Carter was there too. He's the

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Speaker 1: number three pick in the draft. I can't imagine those

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Speaker 2: You know, like we'll never get into roles this early

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Speaker 2: in the year. But the one thing I'll say about

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Speaker 2: which is why he went so early. I would be

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Speaker 2: you know, but we won't get into you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: the volume of snaps. That all depends on how much defense,

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Speaker 2: will say is, like you gain from those instances, like

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Speaker 3: You know. Do I want fifty Abdul cars? Absolutely? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean those guys are a special, special player. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: just get back to canvas for a quick second. How

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Speaker 4: And do you have to kind of stuff with scratch them.

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Speaker 2: With any offensive player, like how much tackling do they

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Speaker 3: But the one thing I look at is how he

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Speaker 2: So if you can track inside back or blitzing, if

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Speaker 2: If you track and have the ability to take an

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Speaker 2: I do think that's something we got to stay connected

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Speaker 3: Fit up the tackle. I know he can track because

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Speaker 3: I see that with the block, with the block mechanics,