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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. The Secretary of Transportation,

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Speaker 1: Pete Bodhaje Edge in the wake of the devastation that

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Speaker 1: we've seen left by Hurricane Helene, Mister Secretary, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Bloomberg TV and Radio. There are a number of

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Speaker 1: things we'd love to ask you about, beginning with this.

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Speaker 1: People who are living in the most impacted areas right

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Speaker 1: now feel like they're living on another planet. I spoke

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Speaker 1: with a friend of mine in Asheville, North Carolina, earlier

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Speaker 1: today on an old fashioned phone. By the way, Prema said,

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Speaker 1: we have no water, no power, no Wi Fi. We're

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Speaker 1: bathing in the creek, boiling water to drink. There's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be food and water tents, but we can't access

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Speaker 1: info on where they're located. And she says the roads

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Speaker 1: are filled with trees and power lines, so we can't

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Speaker 1: get there anyway. We'd love for you to give us

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Speaker 1: a real time update, if you would, on what's happening

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Speaker 1: on the ground here and when people like Premo will

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Speaker 1: get some information on how they can help themselves.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the situation, especially in parts of North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: but really across a number of states is absolutely shocking,

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Speaker 2: and of course the best information for anyone directly impacted

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Speaker 2: is going to come from local responders, local authorities. But

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Speaker 2: what I can say from the transportation perspective on the

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Speaker 2: federal side is that we have been engaged with the

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Speaker 2: state leadership, with our folks on the ground really from

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Speaker 2: the early phases of this to make sure that we

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Speaker 2: can target resources to help restore that normalcy. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: a number of roads. We're finding reports of hundreds of

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Speaker 2: roads that have been compromised, affected by landslides, mudslides, flooding,

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Speaker 2: as well as the number of bridges that have either

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Speaker 2: been compromised or need to be inspected for twenty six

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Speaker 2: including in key parts of North Carolina and Tennessee impacted,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be a while before that sense

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Speaker 2: of normalcy returns. But who's our working very quickly to

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Speaker 2: assess the damage and to clear away obstruction. We're able

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Speaker 2: to provide funding to help make sure that that is

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Speaker 2: never an obstacle to quick action, something that unfortunately is

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Speaker 2: a tool we've had to use many times, most notably

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Speaker 2: recently with the ship strike in Baltimore. But I've reached

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Speaker 2: out to the governors of six impacted states, and our

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Speaker 2: in state personnel have been working to help make sure

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Speaker 2: that those assessments take place. The first priority, of course,

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Speaker 2: is safety, making sure that a bridge is in fact

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Speaker 2: safe before it's cleared for traffic to travel on it,

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Speaker 2: making sure that those roads aren't compromised as well. But

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Speaker 2: first and foremost, our hearts go out to everybody who's

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Speaker 2: been impacted, and President Biden has asked every part of

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Speaker 2: this administration to be there for as long as it takes,

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Speaker 2: and that's exactly what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Well, how long, mister Secretary, do you expect it will take?

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Speaker 3: You mentioned it could be quite a while until there's

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Speaker 3: a return to normalcy in these areas. When it comes

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Speaker 3: to actual transit infrastructure, what timeline do you think is realistic?

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Speaker 3: And frankly what costs?

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Speaker 2: Well, the timeline will be dictated by safety, and that's

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Speaker 2: part of what the hundreds of inspections that are already

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Speaker 2: a case of simply being able to certify that, for example,

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Speaker 2: a rural bridge is good to go. When is it

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Speaker 2: in a condition that means there's going to need to

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Speaker 2: that bridge till it can be reinforced. When do you

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Speaker 2: have a situation where a bridge may look okay, but

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Speaker 2: actually it has been undermined by the floodwaters and has

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Speaker 2: to be closed completely. We can't say in advance what

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Speaker 2: those inspections are going to reveal safety wise, but what

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Speaker 2: we can say is we're going to make sure that

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Speaker 2: the availability of federal dollars is not an obstacle to

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Speaker 2: quick action. I expect the price tag will be enormous,

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Speaker 2: certainly in terms of a natural disaster, outpaces anything so

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Speaker 2: far mathematically that I've seen in terms of highway funding

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Speaker 2: requests likely to come in. Now, we do have an

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Speaker 2: emergency relief fund for this purpose. It will be able

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Speaker 2: to respond to the immediate needs. But I don't see

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Speaker 2: overall without turning to Congress. I know even now they

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Speaker 1: Well, i'd like to ask you about that, mister Secretary,

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Speaker 1: Is it time to call lawmakers back? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that that's something that we will see between now and

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Speaker 1: the election. Otherwise the people impacted by this storm could

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Speaker 2: Well, again, we do have billions of dollars available in

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Speaker 2: the Emergency Relief Fund, So just strictly speaking for the

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Speaker 2: US DOT, we're not looking at a run on the

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Speaker 2: we have an authority called quick Release that means that

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Speaker 2: these dollars. But at the end of the day, when

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Speaker 2: witnessing that some communities are still assessing the level of damage,

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Speaker 2: I just don't see how it's going to happen without

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's one of the reasons why this timing

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Speaker 3: but also because, Sir, of something that could happen in

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Speaker 3: a minute past midnight, just hours from now, forty five

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Speaker 3: minute agreement could be reached. These are ports that handle

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Speaker 3: these areas affected by Hurricane Helene. Is that factoring into

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Speaker 3: the conversations at all from your understanding and frankly, what

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Speaker 3: can be done to secure those supply chains. If this

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Speaker 2: Happen, it's certainly something that adds to what is already

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Speaker 2: the major importance of America's ports, and it's why we

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Speaker 2: have been engaging the parties really for months as it's

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Speaker 2: take the parties coming to terms that means, the ocean carriers,

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Speaker 2: prevent a strike like that. Now, if you think about

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Speaker 2: stocks that you expect to see aren't to kind of

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Speaker 2: we've established tools here at the Department of Transportation to

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Speaker 2: we've got a dialogue with a number of logistics and

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Speaker 2: convening that my colleagues at dot brought together with about

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Speaker 2: sure that we're mapping everything in anything that needs to

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Speaker 2: happen in terms of adjustments or flexibilities across road, rail

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Speaker 2: best thing that could happen is for the parties to

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Speaker 2: quickly come to terms to do that before midnight and

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Speaker 2: for there would be no work stoppage.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we're talking about basically half the imports coming

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Speaker 1: Coast ports are receiving. Mister Secretary, This really speaks to

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Speaker 1: the focus of your job right now, could you be

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Speaker 1: more specific about the contingency plans that you're making to

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Speaker 1: avoid another snarling of our supply lines and avoid another

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Speaker 1: inflationary experience that we all remember from our ports.

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Speaker 2: Well. Again, we've been using tools that we've built up,

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Speaker 2: a new multi mode Little Freight Office created by the

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Speaker 2: Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, Regular Convenence, a new tool

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Speaker 2: that we established called Flow, which helps to map the

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Speaker 2: longer forecast for what's happening with ups and downs of

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Speaker 2: container shipping, engaging with the beneficial cargo owners, the shippers,

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Speaker 2: coming across on those containers and understanding better the positioning

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Speaker 2: that they've had. Now, there was some activity over the

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Speaker 2: spring and the summer with the anticipation of the possibility

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Speaker 2: cargo to be directed to the West coast instead, But

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Speaker 2: there's really no substitute for the ports being up and running.

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Speaker 2: That's why the ports are where they are. And again

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Speaker 2: the most important thing is going to be for the carriers,

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Speaker 2: the shippers and the workers to come to terms so

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Speaker 3: Well, mister Secretary, this is just one example of what

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Speaker 3: seems to be broaderly strife in transportation. We've seen it

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Speaker 3: in just the last few years with rail We've seen

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Speaker 3: We're seeing it too with planemakers. Is the stripe is

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Speaker 3: What exactly do you see happening here thematically and couldn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've definitely seen a bigger, broader pattern in recent years.

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Speaker 2: It's been characterized by these businesses in those sectors doing

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Speaker 2: very well, a lot of profitability, certainly when you talk

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Speaker 2: insisting on participating in those earnings, and frankly having a

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Speaker 2: participate in these sometimes record breaking profits. That's what you saw,

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Speaker 2: At the time, only about five percent of them had

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Speaker 2: and we were pushing for the railroad companies that can

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Speaker 2: that you see a period where workers are seeking to

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Speaker 2: an unbelievably profitable industry over recent years. Then of course

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Speaker 2: you're going to see workers seeking to participate in that

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Speaker 2: to make sure that they're getting a share of that.

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Speaker 2: The whole idea of collective bargaining is to reach an

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Speaker 2: and empower the workers to thrive. We've seen that happen

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Speaker 2: in time and time again as the result of collective bargaining,

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Speaker 2: and it's what the President hopes and expects to see

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Speaker 1: Well, you must, mister Secretary, you must feel like you're

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Speaker 1: running the labor department over the course of this conversation today.

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Speaker 1: So I guess i'd have to ask you ahead of

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night's vice presidential debate in our remaining moment. I

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Speaker 1: know this is something that you've been involved in here,

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Speaker 1: what is the message when it comes to labor that

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Speaker 1: will win swing state votes?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, in this capacity, I can't speak about

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Speaker 2: is proudly pro worker. The President prides himself on being

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Speaker 2: the most historically pro labor president in modern times. And again,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's also demonstrated, given the record profitability and

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Speaker 2: economic growth that we've seen, that being pro worker can

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Speaker 2: be consistent with business thriving too. Certainly, you're right have

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Speaker 2: been involved in a lot of labor matters, but I

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Speaker 2: don't want to take any credit from our Acting Secretary

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Speaker 2: of Labor, Julie Sue, who's been doing an enormous amount

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Speaker 2: of work, both in this particular case, engaging the different

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Speaker 2: it comes to the dock workers, and generally just doing

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Speaker 2: a fantastic job helping to make sure that we have

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Speaker 2: economic growth and worker empowerment at the same time.

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Speaker 3: All Right, mister Secretary, thank you very much for your

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Speaker 3: time this evening on what I'm sure has been a

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Speaker 3: busy several days. That's Transportation Secretary Pete buddhaj Edge