1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Day BAQ podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: or whatever you listen. It's Friday, the fourteenth of March 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: in London. I'm Caroline Hepkiff. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 4: The ECB's Christine Leguard warns of the severe consequences of 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 4: a global trade war as Trump threatens the EU with 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 4: two hundred percent tariffs on wine. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: Hope, so the US government shutdown will be averted, give 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: market some respite after the S and P five hundred 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: enters correction. 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: Territory plus Putin's pitch. 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 4: The Russian leader says he's ready to negotiate with Trump 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 4: on Ukraine, but stops short of accepting a temporary ceasefire. 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 4: The president of the European Central Bank is warning of 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 4: a severe global fallout from a trade war with the 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: United States. Here's what Christine Leaguard told the BBC's Hard 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 4: Talk program, hosted by Steven Saccor. 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 5: If we were to go to a real trade war 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 5: where trade would be dampened significantly, that would have severe consequences. 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: It would not be calls for concern. 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 5: It would be severe consequences growth around the world and 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 5: for prices around the world, but particularly in the United States. 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 6: But also in Europe. It would push Europe into recession. 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 5: Wouldn't they You know what it's doing at the moment, 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 5: stirring European energy. 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: It's a big wake up call for Europe. 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 5: Maybe this is a European moment yet again. 30 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 4: The Guard also told the BBC that Brussels had no 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 4: choice but to retaliate against the US following its decision 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: to implement twenty five percent tariffs on global steel and 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: aliumillium imports. Her comments came ahead of President Trump threatening 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 4: to enactate two hundred percent levy on European wine, champagne, 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: and other alcoholic beverages. The US president made the threatened 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 4: response to the EU's countermeasures targeting American whiskey, among other products. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: US Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnek has told Bloomberg the EU 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: duties are disrespectful. 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 7: If you make him unhappy, he responds unhappy. 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 6: But come on, let's. 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 7: Get back to the core basics here, which is a 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 7: trading policy that says America has allowed the world to 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 7: lean on us, to take from us, to grow off 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 7: of us, and now it's time for a little balance. 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 7: We've got a two trillion dollar budget deficit. We want 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 7: to bring certain jobs home. Let the President do the 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 7: right thing for America. 48 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: It's the US Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik. Trump also said 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: he would not repeal tariffs on steel and aluminium that 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 4: took effect this week, nor would he back off on 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: plans for sweeping reciprocal tariffs on global trading partners set 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 4: to start as soon as the second of April. 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: The growing trade tensions come as the European Unions foreign 54 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: policy chief has warned that China could be the main 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: beneficiary of growing USU hostilities. Here's what Kaya Kallas told 56 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: Bloomberg on the sidelines of a G seven meeting in Canada. 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: We are not interested trade wars. There are no winners 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: and trade wars. So who is laughing on the side 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: or looking at the side is China Who's really benefiting 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: from us having a trade war with Europe. But it 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: is also clear that if these tarrifts are put on us, 62 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: then we are also defending our interests. 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: The comments from the EU's top diplomat come as Chinese 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: economy is expected to have shown resilience so far in 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: the face of growing US tariffs. According to economy surveyed 66 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: by Bloomberg, consumption dated you out on Monday will show 67 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: retail sales picking up and investments staying steady from last 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: year's full year figures. 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: Democratic Leader of the US Senate Chuck Schumer has paved 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: the way for lawmakers to avoid a government shutdown, just 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: dropping his threat to block a Republican spending bill. The 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: decision was made despite a growing number of Democrats wanting 73 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: to use their limited leverage to restrain Elon Musk's cost 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: cutting efforts. Addressing the Senate, Schumer explained why he decided 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: to walk back the threat of a shutdown. 76 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 8: A shutdown would give Donald Trump an Elon Musk cart 77 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 8: blanche to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 8: rate than they can right now. 79 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 4: Schumer indicator that Democrats would vote with their conscience on 80 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: the legislations rather than as directed by leadership. However, the 81 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 4: longtime leader carries significant influence within the caucus, and he's 82 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: likely to amass enough support to avert a shutdown well. 83 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: The prospect of avoiding a US government shutdown has boosted 84 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: market sentiment. After another bruising day on Wall Street that 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: drove the S and P five hundred to a six 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: month low, Thursday's one point four percent draw pushed the 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: three week route past ten percent, and it means the 88 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: US benchmark is now in correction territory. The slump has 89 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: also eraised five trillion dollars from US stocks as investors 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: paired risk, but President Trump's former Treasury secretary, Stephen Minouchin 91 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: says that sentiment is is overly bearish. 92 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 9: I know there's some talk about are we going to 93 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 9: go into a recession. I don't see us at all 94 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 9: going into a recession. I think we could have a 95 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 9: little bit of a slowdown in the economy as we 96 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 9: pull back on government spending. But I don't think investors 97 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 9: should be concerned about a recession. 98 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: That was the former US Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnusian speaking 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: there to Bloomberg. Asian stocks and US and European ecrity 100 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: futures have rallied on Friday as signs that the US 101 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: will avoid a government shut down have helped to boost 102 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: market confidence. 103 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: More than half of Britain's senior ministers have verged the 104 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: Chancellor Rachel Reeves to rethink her plans to scale back 105 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: welfare spending. Bloomberg has learned that a cabinet meeting turned 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: into an intervention over the planned cuts. 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: James Wilcock has the story. 108 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 10: One person at the meeting openly warned ministers were considering resignation. 109 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 10: Are They'd be backed up by a second and then 110 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 10: a third added the cuts go beyond anything seen under austerity. 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 10: We report the Prime Minister had to extend the meeting 112 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 10: so all twenty seven ministers at the top of government 113 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 10: could vent It's an extraordinary sign of the growing concern 114 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 10: at the highest levels of the Labor Party. It's unlikely 115 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 10: to change the policy. The Chancellor has already sent her 116 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 10: plans to the Independent Forecaster. But the question number ten 117 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 10: must be wondering after the backlash is will that policy 118 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 10: get enough votes in London? 119 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 6: James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio. 120 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: Russia's Lasimir Putin says that he wants to discuss a 121 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: proposed ceasefar in Ukraine with Donald Trump. Speaking at a 122 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: news conference yesterday, Putin said that his administration supports the 123 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: idea of a peaceful end to the conflict, but warns 124 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: that any truth should lead to a long term resolution. 125 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: Following the news, US President Trump told reporters at the 126 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: White House that negotiations are progressing. 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 11: We're getting words that things are going okay in Russia, 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 11: and doesn't mean anything until we hear what the final 129 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 11: outcome is. But they have very serious discussions going on 130 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 11: right now with President Borden and others. 131 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: Donald Trump speaking there during a visit by NATO Secretary 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: General Mark Rutter. Meanwhile, the US has quietly talented sanctions 133 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: on Russia by restricting energy payments as it continues to 134 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: pursue cooperation from Putin during peace deliberations. 135 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: Those are your top stories on the markets. After we 136 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: saw the SMP five hundred and nasdak in correction territory yesterday. 137 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: We are looking at US DOOC futures hire this morning, 138 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: up six tens of one percent for SMPT, mine's eight 139 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: tens higher for Nasdaq futures. European stock futures also pointing higher, 140 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: up half of one percent, and we're seeing big rally 141 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 4: and ation shares at the moment. The MSCI Specific index 142 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 4: up seven tens of one percent. The CSI three hundred 143 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: index in China up by two point three percent. 144 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 3: Those are the markets. 145 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 2: In a moment, more on Donald Trump's tariff threats against 146 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: the EU, and we'll also be digging into the market reaction. 147 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: But before we get to that, a nice story on 148 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg terminal about how easy it's going to be 149 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: to trot around the globe and understand everyone. 150 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: This is one of those stories that either makes me 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: feel very excited or very old, because this feels like 152 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: Star Trek coming true. Our two technology correspondent Mark Arman 153 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: has report that Apple is working on a feature for 154 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 4: its AirPod earphones that would live translate and in personal conversation, 155 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: so you speak to someone in your language and they 156 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 4: can hear it in THEIRS. 157 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: It's science fiction. 158 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: Y if you look at it in one way, but 159 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: apparently it's actually already been present, and some of the 160 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 4: rival products to AirPods as well, including Google's pixel Buds, 161 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: they've had the option for years, but he says an 162 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: Apple to be rolling this out from later this year. 163 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: Part of my heart breaks for this because, of course, 164 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: to someone who studied model languages, this was a job. 165 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: This is once a job being a you know, a translator, 166 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: and also it's the fact that languages around the world 167 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: are disappearing very quickly because you know, we're so united, and. 168 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the other question of this is what 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: is this going to actually be something that's going to 170 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: feel like science fiction? Or is it going to be 171 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 4: like being on a bad phone line with someone where 172 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: there's a really long delay is when you hear the 173 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 4: other person. So I think you can probably dash away 174 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: your language girls for a bit longer. 175 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: Carolina, the great story on the Bloomberg terminal for you 176 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: to read this morning. 177 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: Well, that's bringing more now in the latest tariff threats 178 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: from Donald Trump, targeting European wine and other alcoholic drinks 179 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: with a two hundred percent levy. Our EMEA news director 180 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: Rosalind Mason joins us now for more. Ras Good morning. 181 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: How much of an escalation is this from Donald Trump? 182 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 12: Well, it is certainly another move by Donald Trump. He's 183 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 12: threatening in this case, he's not yet saying he's going 184 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 12: to impose this tariff, and in fact he's threatened to 185 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 12: impose hefty tariffs on European wine, champagne and other alcoholic 186 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 12: beverages before and back down. But this is in the realm, 187 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 12: of course of what's been quite a piecemeal approach. We've 188 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 12: had a lot of uncertainty in this tariff, in this 189 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 12: tariff game bit so far, and there's been reversals by 190 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 12: the President, there's been threats, there's been changes in direction. 191 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: So it's very hard. 192 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 12: To know what to make this and that very hard, 193 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 12: I guess for the people on the other side to 194 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 12: know how to respond. Certainly, the French Trade minister said 195 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 12: that this is Donald Trump, quote escalating a trade war 196 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 12: he chose to unleash and saying that you will not 197 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 12: give in to what he called threats and will protect industries. 198 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 12: So certainly Europe's still got more in the bag if 199 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 12: Donald Trump does escalate further with Europe. We know that 200 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 12: the tariffs that are due to snap back obviously at 201 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 12: the end of the month, but there's a lot more 202 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 12: that we know that Europe has prepared, and so certainly 203 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 12: we're just in this realm of tit for tat. So 204 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 12: if Donald Trump does indeed impose this tariff on booze 205 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 12: from Europe, that Europe will respond. 206 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: The last time that Trump imposed tariffs though on these products, 207 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: he reversed course. He reached a deal with a Manu 208 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: in Macon, does that say that there is a space 209 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 2: maybe for negotiation here as we do see the kind 210 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: of temperature and the rhetoric beginning to get more tense. 211 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 12: Well, certainly, as this trade war has shown us, there's 212 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 12: one hundred percent room for negotiation in all of this, 213 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 12: and that, in a way perhaps is part of the 214 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 12: tactic of the US administration is to come out hard, 215 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 12: to threaten things, and then to see if they can 216 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 12: negotiate the way back out of it again and get 217 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 12: something that they can claim as a win. And as 218 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 12: you say, Emanuel mcron was key last time, perhaps again 219 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 12: and call from him to Donald Trump might just do 220 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 12: the trick. We do know that the US Commerce Secretary, 221 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 12: Howard Lutnik was due to have some cause with different 222 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 12: EU officials last night. We're not exactly sure what came 223 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 12: of those as yet, but there are those conversations going on, 224 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 12: and we can see that's very much the case with 225 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 12: every country around the world. There are trade ministers, for example, 226 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 12: from different countries in Asia over in the US this 227 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 12: week having conversations directly with US officials. So it does 228 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 12: seem that at least the US administration is willing to 229 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 12: talk mostly though they just want to see what they 230 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 12: can get for them themselves out of those talks. 231 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: Okay, roslad Mats and our amaa news director, thank you 232 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: very much. 233 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: Well. 234 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: Markets have been rattled by the trade tensions, but US 235 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: futures have been boosted by news that a government shutdown 236 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: has been avoided in Washington. Our Market's Live executive editor 237 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: Mark Cadmore joins this now in person in the London 238 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: radio stud Good see Mark. In terms of the shutdown news, 239 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: do you think that that reignites risk appetite given all 240 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: the uncertainties? 241 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 6: No, not really. 242 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 13: I think there's enough kind of negative catalyst next week 243 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 13: or sorry, potentially negative catalysts. I think, you know, we've 244 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 13: always got the fed upcoming. What I think the bigger 245 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 13: bachelor peers that we've had a really rapid correction from 246 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 13: record highs and so you no, the market is just 247 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 13: it was ready to consult it. I mean many people 248 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 13: are looking for a relief rally Earlier this week we 249 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 13: actually enter in some of the best seasonality for the 250 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 13: US stock market actually from March fifteenth of traditionally, So 251 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 13: I think this is a little bit like, yeah, it's 252 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 13: a positive story, don't get me wrong. And that, but 253 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 13: it was a market that was ready for a little 254 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 13: bit of a bounce. Actually, the way I see this 255 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 13: week is I'm surprised how negative the price action has 256 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 13: actually remained, how rapid the fall has been, how little, 257 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 13: how tepid the bounces have been, And so I just 258 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 13: I just worried to have one more kind of uh 259 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 13: kind of clean out before kind of maybe even before 260 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 13: the weekend or into next week, before we get you know, 261 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 13: then a couple of weeks consolidation. The longer term, I 262 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 13: still think there's a market where people are selling rally. 263 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 13: So I think, you know, you might get a bounce 264 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 13: of four or five percent over the rest of March, 265 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 13: but ultimately, you know, I think people are going to 266 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 13: sell into this. 267 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 6: They're not going to wait for any record hise this. 268 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 13: This is a US stock market that is going to 269 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 13: underperform for the long term. 270 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 271 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 4: And indeed that's part of the sentimens being infected in 272 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: the latest markets Live Pull survey as well that investors 273 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: are most bullish on treasuries roused to stocks for at 274 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: least three years. 275 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: The flip side of this. 276 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, and you know, it's it's it's interesting to 277 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 13: see that kind of short term trend because that survey, 278 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 13: we've kind of run about that question. We've asked about 279 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 13: monthly roughly for about the last three years, and normally 280 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 13: normally over on that three year basis. First of all, 281 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 13: there's quite often ben a skew towards stocks, but normally 282 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 13: both are pretty close to the fifty percent mark. 283 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 6: It's quite a large skew. 284 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 13: It shows as a real change, like a dramatic change center, 285 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 13: but we've not seen anything close this. Not only is 286 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 13: this the highest level of kind of pro treasures over stocks, 287 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 13: but we've not even seen anything close to that. And 288 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 13: there's a general kind of theme that, you know, people 289 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 13: no longer expect US stocks to reassert that exceptionalism. So 290 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 13: US stocks is as a share of global market cap, 291 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 13: reached a record of fifty point eight six percent on 292 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 13: February third. 293 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 6: They're now down. 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 13: I'm not sure exactly there are today, but I'm going 295 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 13: to say they're down about forty eight percent. They fall 296 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 13: in a few percent from there, and only nine percent 297 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 13: I think it was in the survey expect us to 298 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 13: kind of go back to that record high again. And 299 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 13: you know, I'm not saying everyone expects the ongoing US underformance. 300 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 13: But certainly the market's already convinced US is going to 301 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 13: stop out performing. I am very firmly in the camp 302 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 13: it's going to underperform. 303 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: Okay, we also saw that European drinks company slumped yesterday 304 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: on the back of the latest tariffs threats. Is that 305 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: going to be a kind of wake up call for 306 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: European markets. 307 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 6: I don't think they need a wake up call. 308 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 13: I mean, this is a dramatic times, but I mean 309 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 13: I think to you to your point of you're saying, like, 310 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 13: you know, your European stocks have done really well relatively 311 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 13: until they get a bit more of the term well, 312 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 13: and I think that's absolutely right. I think you know 313 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 13: that there's a paradigm shift in Europe, which I completely 314 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 13: buy into, and I think it's just a massive story. 315 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 6: And I think paradigm shifts are hard. 316 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 13: To build a trade because you know well that they 317 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 13: change everything they've learned, you know, of the whole European crisis. 318 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 13: But the point is is that defense spending is not 319 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 13: particularly pro growth infrastructure spending years. In fact, many the 320 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 13: recipients of defense spending will be US firms. And I'll 321 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 13: come through very slowly, But it doesn't matter. The story 322 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 13: is there, there's a paradigm shift in Europe. Maybe stock 323 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 13: markets get a little bit ahead of themselves in a 324 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 13: market that's set to be volatile. So yes, I guess 325 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 13: to answer to the question, I do expect, you know, 326 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 13: European stocks to struggle a little bit more. And you know, 327 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 13: while I very deeply believe in the end of US exceptionalism, 328 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 13: from US market's point of view over the longer term, 329 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 13: the next few weeks, that doesn't necessarily matter, you know, 330 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 13: we can always just consolidate recent trends. 331 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning. 332 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 4: Brief on the stories making news from London to Wall 333 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: Street and beyond. 334 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every month, on Apple, Spotify, 335 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 336 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 337 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 338 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 339 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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