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Speaker 1: to the combine. What are the Bears going to do?
Speaker 1: What's their GM really saying? Do they like justin fields?
Speaker 1: Do they love justin fields? Or is it all the
Speaker 1: smoke screen? Have that for you coming up?
Speaker 2: Also the NFL, as the NFL likes to do, it's
Speaker 2: going to toy with some things in the off season.
Speaker 2: I believe that the fumble the ball into the end
Speaker 2: zone through the end zone, that's not going to be
Speaker 2: changed this upcoming season. From what I was told, the
Speaker 2: issue was dead and I went dead. Yeah, So if
Speaker 2: you fumble the ball, let's say you're going for a touchdown,
Speaker 2: you put your arm out, ball goes through the end zone.
Speaker 2: See you, tough luck for you. Eight seven seven three.
Speaker 2: DP Show email address is dp at Danpatrick dot com. WHOA,
Speaker 2: I just saw this. Marvin has his own T shirt
Speaker 2: yet another one the first Prince of Dan ayir.
Speaker 3: Man. Thank you. Things can be getting better.
Speaker 2: Yes, who is it better than you do? No? No one,
Speaker 2: I know, nobody, nobody. Yeah, I just saw it. It's
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Speaker 3: I like that with the fresh Prince.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well from.
Speaker 4: Marvin's big article in Yukon magazine. We're taking from that
Speaker 4: sort of to celebrate Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, big moment. Yeah yeah. Marvin featured prominently in
Speaker 2: the Yukon Huskies magazine.
Speaker 3: I mean I wasn't on the cover, but I mean
Speaker 3: I'll take the article.
Speaker 2: Yeah, already complaining, Yeah, this page. Becker's been in that,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Danny Hurley been in then.
Speaker 3: I don't even know who that is.
Speaker 2: Yes, you do, you're mister Husky, mister Husky.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's got more? So Todd's Bronco gear or your
Speaker 2: Husky gear. I haven't seen Todd's closet, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to, but I would think that we have we
Speaker 2: have some things that have been there for a long,
Speaker 2: long long time. And he's a lot older than you,
Speaker 2: so I'm guessing Todd has more Bronco gear than you have.
Speaker 2: You Kon Husky.
Speaker 5: Probably, And there's some stuff from when I was a
Speaker 5: kid that I still have saved and obviously I.
Speaker 3: Can't wear it.
Speaker 2: How come you can't wear it because it was a
Speaker 2: boys medium?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, that nineteenninety six Big East Championship t
Speaker 5: shirt that I have, I just can't wear it anymore.
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Speaker 2: tries to claim another scoring record. Find out tonight Iowa
Speaker 2: faces Minnesota nine Eastern exclusively on Peacock, which is where
Speaker 2: you can find this program. Lynette Woodard is not getting
Speaker 2: the credit she deserves. I know this isn't a big deal.
Speaker 2: It is to me having met Lynette. She played at Kansas,
Speaker 2: she played for the Globetrotters, and when she was scoring
Speaker 2: and setting the all time record in women's college basketball,
Speaker 2: it wasn't known as the NC double A at the time.
Speaker 2: That to me is an oversight and she should be
Speaker 2: recognized because she was a wonderful player. And the fact
Speaker 2: that we're going to celebrate Caitlyn Clark, that's fine. You
Speaker 2: want to celebrate her passing Pete Marrivich, that's fine as well,
Speaker 2: But Caitlyn Clark should be celebrated for what she's done
Speaker 2: with the NC double A. And women's college basketball basketball
Speaker 2: in general. But let's not forget the others here. A
Speaker 2: lot of times what happens is when you're going to
Speaker 2: break a record, we sometimes bring back that person's name
Speaker 2: that you haven't heard in a long time, and then
Speaker 2: you get to celebrate them again. We should be celebrating
Speaker 2: Lynette Woodard and her all time record, that Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 2: is going to pass Pete Marivich. What he did, when
Speaker 2: he did it, how he did it. It's different than
Speaker 2: anybody who ever played the sport and given a three
Speaker 2: point shot and staying four years, he probably would have
Speaker 2: had six thousand career points. He would have averaged over
Speaker 2: fifty a game with a three point shot. He played
Speaker 2: three years, no three point shot. He's the all time
Speaker 2: scoring leader, and Caitlin Clark has less than one hundred
Speaker 2: points to go to surpass Pete Merrivich. All right, Paul,
Speaker 2: question for hour two is going to be watched.
Speaker 4: Heaton O'Connor, well, Dan up there for hour one, We've
Speaker 4: got which quarterback is most likely to be on a
Speaker 4: new team next season? Justin field, Russell, Wilson or Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4: Right now, Russell's got fifty seven percent.
Speaker 2: Of the vote.
Speaker 4: Justin Fields is thirty three and Kirk Cousins has ten percent, so.
Speaker 2: He's pretty yeah, I think he's going back to Minnesota.
Speaker 4: It feels like the Broncos are the ones who have
Speaker 4: most clearly been like, well, I think we're ready to
Speaker 4: move on right now. Justin Fields, it's very much up
Speaker 4: in the air.
Speaker 2: Feels like it is. Well, here's the GM of the Bears,
Speaker 2: Ryan Poles.
Speaker 6: We're open minded as we walk into the combine. If
Speaker 6: it hits me that there's something you know worth capitalizing
Speaker 6: on or jumping on, that's what we'll do. If something
Speaker 6: doesn't feel right and we need to gather more information,
Speaker 6: then we'll wait. But again, I'm always gonna have in
Speaker 6: my mind and make sure we do right by Justin
Speaker 6: I don't know what that means. You're going to do
Speaker 6: right by Justin Fields.
Speaker 2: If you wanted to do right by him, you would
Speaker 2: keep him and then you would pay him. I mean
Speaker 2: right right. We want to do right by him, or
Speaker 2: at least give you the public perception that we're doing
Speaker 2: right by him, while we hold out hope that somebody
Speaker 2: is going to want to give us a boatload of
Speaker 2: draft picks for Justin Fields. That's really what this comes
Speaker 2: down to.
Speaker 4: Know, we want to do right by him, okay, and
Speaker 4: then by doing right by him, we mean getting rid
Speaker 4: of it by him, maybe less in the sting yet
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then Sean Payton, he's not saying we want to
Speaker 2: do right by Russell Wilson. It sounds like he's ready
Speaker 2: to move on from Russell Wilson. And here's what he
Speaker 2: had to say yesterday.
Speaker 7: I saw this humorous meme the other day where there's
Speaker 7: a Bronco fan with a shirt on and there was
Speaker 7: like eight quarterbacks names across through it, you know, and
Speaker 7: he's drinking the quarterback kool aid. And our job is
Speaker 7: to make sure that this next one, you know, doesn't
Speaker 7: have a line through it.
Speaker 2: Okay, And if you're wondering, it has former Bronco names
Speaker 2: on the back of a jersey and they're all crossed out,
Speaker 2: including Russell Wilson's name being crossed out. So for Sean
Speaker 2: Payton to say, well, you know, the next one we get,
Speaker 2: we don't want that name getting crossed out, that doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like he's going to be keeping Russell Wilson. And
Speaker 2: it feels like by all accounts with these mock drafts,
Speaker 2: if you can trust them at this stage that they
Speaker 2: would be interested in JJ McCarthy from Michigan. All right,
Speaker 2: the NFL is looking at picking up something from the XFL.
Speaker 2: The XFL had a model with their kickoffs that the
Speaker 2: kicker kicking from the thirty yard line, the rest of
Speaker 2: the kickoff team was on the opposing team's thirty five
Speaker 2: yard line, separated by ten yards from the receiving team.
Speaker 2: And let's see, separated from ten members, I should say,
Speaker 2: so they're five yards apart. It's at the thirty five,
Speaker 2: and you're going to be at your thirty and then
Speaker 2: there's going to be a kickoff. So apart from the
Speaker 2: kicker and the returner, none of the other special teamers
Speaker 2: are allowed to move until the ball is fielded. So
Speaker 2: the NFL, right now, you're at the thirty five yard line,
Speaker 2: that's where everybody's lined up, and then you run down
Speaker 2: and try to tackle somebody if there happens to be
Speaker 2: a kickoff, which there wasn't a kickoff return in this
Speaker 2: year's Super Bowl. But if they're going to approve a
Speaker 2: rule chae something close to this model, it will take
Speaker 2: twenty four votes by the NFL owners. Okay, I saw
Speaker 2: it in the XFL. It was interesting, what do you
Speaker 2: do if you want to have an onside kick? You're
Speaker 2: basically saying to the opposition, we're going to have an
Speaker 2: onside kick because now everybody has to come back and
Speaker 2: be on the thirty five yard line. But maybe we
Speaker 2: do get some kickoffs here, but as you know, if
Speaker 2: you want kickoffs, maybe have the kicker at the twenty
Speaker 2: five yard line and then have a kickoff. They don't
Speaker 2: want to have these, you know, build up ahead of
Speaker 2: steam and then have these cataclysmic crashes into each other.
Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to avoid. So this is basically
Speaker 2: you're standing there, he's standing there, and we're going to
Speaker 2: wait until that you know, the kick returner fields it.
Speaker 2: Now we get to go. So you're going to take
Speaker 2: away probably a forty yard sprint down the field to
Speaker 2: run into somebody. Now, those collisions you won't be as
Speaker 2: impactful and devastating, and that's what the NFL is trying
Speaker 2: to rid the league of. But still it's the most
Speaker 2: It used to be the most exciting play in the
Speaker 2: NFL is the kickoff. Now, like I'm shocked if it
Speaker 2: doesn't go out of the end zone. Like, what is
Speaker 2: wrong with you, dude? Yeah, pulling for most of our lifetime.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the stats. Kicks returned per game in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and for most of our life until twenty ten,
Speaker 2: four kicks per game were returned by both teams in
Speaker 2: an average NFL game. Over the past twelve years, it's
Speaker 2: gone down to about two kicks per game because of
Speaker 2: rule changes. Last year it was down to one point
Speaker 2: one kicks per game returned combined from both teams, lowest
Speaker 2: by far in NFL history.
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Speaker 2: of this program. By the way, the NFL Combine. We'll
Speaker 2: talk to Daniel Jeremiah, who's also a draft expert for
Speaker 2: NFL Network, former front office executive. We'll talk to him
Speaker 2: about these quarterbacks who aren't working out and what he
Speaker 2: thinks the Bears are going to do. Also, the forty
Speaker 2: yard dash is really important to a lot of teams,
Speaker 2: does it really? I guess turn out successful NFL players
Speaker 2: because you can run really fast, and you know some
Speaker 2: of the names. You know, Chris Johnson, he obviously did
Speaker 2: had two thousand yard season. Remember John Ross. I remember
Speaker 2: watching him in a game and I was thinking, there
Speaker 2: is nobody who can guard that gun. They can't cover him,
Speaker 2: And he ran the fastest forty yard dash. I think
Speaker 2: it was like four to two two, although I think
Speaker 2: Darryl Green and Joey Galloway and Dion probably would differ
Speaker 2: with those times there because you might have had somebody
Speaker 2: go for to one for one something, But forty yard dash,
Speaker 2: it just means you can run really fast in a
Speaker 2: straight line, and football is not about straight lines. There
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys, what was it.
Speaker 8: Dree played for the Steelers, Archer Archer out of the
Speaker 8: mac he played.
Speaker 2: At Kent State. That was another guy. I saw him
Speaker 2: and I go, who's going to cover him? In the NFL?
Speaker 2: And then he lasted I think two seasons. It's rare
Speaker 2: when you have that guy who's really really fast and
Speaker 2: really really good. So when you watch the forty yard dash, Okay,
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna run fast. I think what's interesting for us
Speaker 2: is when you see a quarterback who runs something you
Speaker 2: know four to six sub four six, and then we
Speaker 2: go okay, or you see a tight end or you
Speaker 2: see an edge rusher. Those you know, that's more interesting
Speaker 2: for me. But they're gonna put him through all the workouts,
Speaker 2: the bench press, a vertical jump, the long long jump,
Speaker 2: the jump there.
Speaker 8: Yes, Pauline, I'm reading an article that in the past
Speaker 8: few years the forty is passe and the ten yards split. Hello, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you're a tenure You've always been ten.
Speaker 2: Yard split guy, always.
Speaker 8: And the ten yard split is the first ten yards
Speaker 8: meters of the forty yard dash, and guys like Tyreek
Speaker 8: Hill are the all timers because it shows their quickness
Speaker 8: off the ball.
Speaker 2: That's all I care about what you do, even the
Speaker 2: first five yards, because that allows you separation if you're
Speaker 2: running back to get to the hole, if your alignment
Speaker 2: to get to the next level. If you're an edge rusher,
Speaker 2: it's five you know, those first five yards or ten yards,
Speaker 2: that's all I care about. And the reason the forty
Speaker 2: yard dash, even as in existence, that we care about
Speaker 2: it is because of the former coach, the great Paul Brown,
Speaker 2: because he thought that there was going to be the
Speaker 2: forty yards between the punt return team and those who
Speaker 2: were punting forty yards. He wanted to know how fast
Speaker 2: you could run forty yards to get down the field.
Speaker 2: And that's how we came up with the emphasis for
Speaker 2: the forty yard dash. But it doesn't translate to success.
Speaker 2: Quickness translates to success. That ability to get off the ball,
Speaker 2: That to me is what I You watched Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 2: you know, when we did hard knocks during the season,
Speaker 2: and I would watch him. I felt bad for the deep.
Speaker 2: There is no way that you could cover him off
Speaker 2: the ball. No way he was going to beat you
Speaker 2: off the ball every single time. And give me those
Speaker 2: kind of guys instead of the guy who's a track guy.
Speaker 8: Yeampon last year's NFL combine the running backs with the
Speaker 8: top three ten yard splits fastest off the ball, Jamir Gibbs,
Speaker 8: b Jeon Robinson, Devon Chan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they all had significant impact here. All right.
Speaker 2: So that's the new kickoff format. And look, if it
Speaker 2: brings more excitement in and it does help, you know,
Speaker 2: player safety, than great. You know, I do like that.
Speaker 2: You know, the NFL they're concerned about players safety, but boy,
Speaker 2: they'd love to add that eighteenth game. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we got to give the impression that we
Speaker 2: care about your safety and we're gonna cut down on
Speaker 2: all these massive collisions on a kickoff. But hey, would
Speaker 2: you like to play an eighteenth game? I thought you would,
Speaker 2: all right, And let's get a couple of phone calls
Speaker 2: in here. Moe and Arizona leads us off Hour two.
Speaker 9: Hi Mo, morning, Dan Dennett's still coming off my Super
Speaker 9: Bowl lost hiatus. But I just had to act if
Speaker 9: Marvin said he still has a bunch of stuff from
Speaker 9: when he was a kid. Can you still fit your
Speaker 9: Little League gloves?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow? Mo with the shot that's a hand sized
Speaker 2: joke with Marvin Aprop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mo, I thought we were cool. Yeah, but first
Speaker 5: of all, yes, I can still fit in them. But
Speaker 5: that was hurtful.
Speaker 2: Did you see where they were going to auction off
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth's glove that he used in nineteen fifteen, and
Speaker 2: then they took I think it's the oldest piece of
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth memorabilia. And then I don't know how long
Speaker 2: before the auction that they decided that they now it's autographed.
Speaker 2: It was autographed twice by Babe Ruth. He even says,
Speaker 2: this is my glove and for some reason they took
Speaker 2: it off the market there, but that was just recently.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's gonna end up where like Charlie Sheen has it.
Speaker 4: I've never seen that again. I wonder if Charlie Sheen
Speaker 4: has any more of those jerseys. He said he knew
Speaker 4: he had a problem when I think it was his
Speaker 4: coffee table that there was a Ted Williams autograph jersey
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: Is that right, Pauling?
Speaker 8: He was in his normal T shirt drawer, like you know,
Speaker 8: you get your T shirts and he's gone like white
Speaker 8: teaser blue T shirt and a nineteen forty one road
Speaker 8: Ted Williams jersey was in there. It's worth like an
Speaker 8: eighty grand.
Speaker 2: That's when you know you got a problem.
Speaker 3: But he was.
Speaker 2: He collected a lot of memorabilia back in the day.
Speaker 2: Dan and Toledo, Hi, Dan, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 10: Good morning, Dan and Dennetz. How's everybody this morning?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 10: Hey, Dan, I have a kind of an obscure question
Speaker 10: for you, And then I have has any GM front
Speaker 10: office exec for any sport, which I know that you're
Speaker 10: friends with a lot of women. You've got great insight.
Speaker 10: Has anybody reached out to you privately and asked what
Speaker 10: you think that they should do for their team relative
Speaker 10: to a draft or a trade, and that's your question.
Speaker 10: Does the color of highlighter in your hand mean anything?
Speaker 10: Because it keeps changing colors.
Speaker 2: I have this tick that I'm always holding the pen.
Speaker 2: So there's a yellow sharpie, there's a silver one. I've
Speaker 2: had a red one, whatever one is on my desk.
Speaker 2: Then I just end up kind of fiddling with it. Twice,
Speaker 2: it's happened where somebody basketball related asked my thoughts about
Speaker 2: some players and one actually went with what my opinion
Speaker 2: was on this player and one did not. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they're just curious. They had seen me where I'd been
Speaker 2: at a game or two, and just we're curious, and
Speaker 2: probably did this with a variety of people. It wasn't
Speaker 2: just me, I'm sure, but yeah, I was honored by it,
Speaker 2: but just say what do you see? And then I
Speaker 2: would I gave my opinion. Another guy, well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't want to get too deep into the weeds, but yes,
Speaker 2: it's happened a couple of times, and I appreciated it
Speaker 2: and gave my opinion. And whether they acted upon it,
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. I never followed up either. I
Speaker 2: thought that was weird to say, Hey, what did you
Speaker 2: think of my advice? My insight? You're a talking hairdo
Speaker 2: you know? I didn't take your advice. So we'll take
Speaker 2: a break here and we'll get more phone calls. We'll
Speaker 2: go out to the combine there, we'll check in with
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears coming up next hour as well. I
Speaker 2: think they already know what they're doing. I think they've
Speaker 2: already made that decision. And it was a year ago
Speaker 2: around this time when they made the trade with Carolina.
Speaker 2: I think that's where we're headed again this year, where
Speaker 2: they'll be making a move here and it'll probably the
Speaker 2: seeds were planted at the combine, so Daniel Jeremiah said,
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Speaker 2: John Ross, Chris Johnson, Dree Arch, Jerome Mathis, Tarique Woolan,
Speaker 2: Marquise Goodwin, Tyrone, Calico, Stanford Route, Jalen Myrick, JJ Nelson,
Speaker 2: Jacoby Ford. What do they have in common? They all
Speaker 2: ran the forty in four point two seconds. Not a
Speaker 2: lot of success out of that group, but we continue
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of time talking about the forty
Speaker 2: yard dash. Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network Analyst, Chargers Radio color
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Speaker 2: Combine Thursday through Sunday. Why do we play so much
Speaker 2: emphasis still in the forty yard dash?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 12: First of all, Dan, that was like announcing everyone who
Speaker 12: was not nominated for an oscar there with that list
Speaker 12: of players. But look, it's still to me, it's helpful
Speaker 12: for thresholds. You know, you want to see guys hit
Speaker 12: certain thresholds, because there's a reason why you have the
Speaker 12: phrase outliers like most of the successful players at positions,
Speaker 12: And that's what I'll try and do during our coverage.
Speaker 12: It's frame it with that perspective of most of the
Speaker 12: players that are successful. The top ten receivers and receptions,
Speaker 12: these are what they average ran, this is what they
Speaker 12: average jumped, and you can kind of just see, Okay,
Speaker 12: is this player that's on the line right now, is
Speaker 12: he kind of parking his car in the right neighborhood.
Speaker 12: For those who've been successful.
Speaker 2: I love the ten yards That to me, I think
Speaker 2: you can get a ten yard time and see success
Speaker 2: at any position because it's so quick off the line,
Speaker 2: your lineman, your lineback, your edge rusher, your wide receiver,
Speaker 2: running back, I mean all of that. But that's not
Speaker 2: glamorous because if somebody says, oh, what was your ten
Speaker 2: yard time, it doesn't resonate where you go. Damn, did
Speaker 2: you see how fast his ten yard time was?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean look for it. Is that way really
Speaker 12: in draft rooms, when you're talking about lineman, we talk
Speaker 12: of offensive lineman defensive lineman for sure, and that's the number.
Speaker 12: We don't really spend much time talking about the forty
Speaker 12: on those big guys. We talk about that, you know,
Speaker 12: on corners it matters. The forty matters because you'll see
Speaker 12: guys who can get up to top speed quickly, but
Speaker 12: then they don't have that other gear and you'll see
Speaker 12: receivers separate from them down the field. Same thing for
Speaker 12: wide out. So there's value in the longer distance with
Speaker 12: those skill players. But for the lineman absolutely. I mean,
Speaker 12: that's all you really focus on is the ten.
Speaker 2: What is the number one topic in Indie.
Speaker 3: The Bears?
Speaker 12: You know, it's just it's it's there's so many different
Speaker 12: layers to it.
Speaker 10: Dan.
Speaker 12: So normally you come into this thing and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 12: this team has the first pick, they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 12: You know which one of these one? You know, one,
Speaker 12: two or three guys are you know, who are we
Speaker 12: talking about here? Who are they going to take? And
Speaker 12: now you have the fields factor, you have the fact
Speaker 12: that they have the ninth pick as well, and just
Speaker 12: kind of how all that stuff works together and that
Speaker 12: is going to have the trickle down effect on the
Speaker 12: rest of the draft. So that's you know, when you're
Speaker 12: walking around on the street and you run into buddies
Speaker 12: and stuff. Everybody. Everybody wants to know what the heck
Speaker 12: those guys are going to do.
Speaker 2: The Raiders GM, when asked about DeVante Adams, said he's
Speaker 2: a Raider. When the Bears, GM was asked about Justin Fields,
Speaker 2: he was like, uh, you know, we're open, We're not sure.
Speaker 2: I want to do right by Justin if you if
Speaker 2: you want to commit to him, you can and then
Speaker 2: the free for all begins for that number one overall pick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you think they're moving on.
Speaker 12: I'm with you. I've been saying that from the From
Speaker 12: the very beginning, I felt like this was this was
Speaker 12: going to happen. They were going to move on. Now,
Speaker 12: I would say in terms of the odds that I
Speaker 12: feel like it's eighty to ninety percent they are going
Speaker 12: to stick at one and they're going to take Caleb
Speaker 12: Williams and the other ten to twenty percent is okay,
Speaker 12: maybe they have they're comfortable with one of these other quarterbacks,
Speaker 12: and they're comfortable maybe moving back within range to still
Speaker 12: get Justin Field's replacement. But I just the way that
Speaker 12: you know, the way that look from the outside, and
Speaker 12: then I'm waiting for polls to say something that's going
Speaker 12: to change my mind, and that didn't happen at all
Speaker 12: with what he said, because you would come in there
Speaker 12: and say, Dan, look, we love Justin fields the strides
Speaker 12: that he's taken. I mean for us to go in
Speaker 12: a different direction, they would we would have to be
Speaker 12: blown away to not stick with Justin because of how
Speaker 12: excited we are. That did not sound like that yesterday.
Speaker 2: No, it did not. It did not. I brought up
Speaker 2: the potential for a new kickoff adopting the XFL model.
Speaker 2: What do you think the realistic possibility is of something
Speaker 2: like that too? You know, we had the biggest game
Speaker 2: of the year and there were no kickoff returns. What
Speaker 2: would you do if you're going to try to incorporate
Speaker 2: something to start a game instead of starting a game
Speaker 2: with the touchback?
Speaker 12: Well, then full transparency. I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 12: over the last several months watching the three hundred and
Speaker 12: thirty guys here, and I haven't caught up on the
Speaker 12: XFL in a few years since it launched. So is
Speaker 12: the XFL kickoff role?
Speaker 2: Okay, they're going to have you separated by five yards,
Speaker 2: so the kicking team is going to be at your
Speaker 2: thirty five. You're receiving lineman. All ten guys are going
Speaker 2: to be at the thirty Okay, they can't move until
Speaker 2: the ball is fielded. Oh interesting, so no runouts whatsoever?
Speaker 12: Yeah, you eliminate the runway.
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you think?
Speaker 10: I like that?
Speaker 3: I like that?
Speaker 12: And look, you know, calling the Charger games, it's become
Speaker 12: time where you know, you kind of grab your water
Speaker 12: when they're kicking off and make sure you're taking care
Speaker 12: of here and see who what personnel group is going
Speaker 12: to try it out onto the field. So I would
Speaker 12: like to see it become a play again. It's it's
Speaker 12: impacted me just watching players dan like I normally when
Speaker 12: I watch the whiteouts, and I'll go through and I'll
Speaker 12: look at their return yards and I'll go, okay, I'm
Speaker 12: gonna watch all their returns, and I'm like, why why
Speaker 12: am I? Why am I spending my time evaluating these
Speaker 12: guys kickoff returns? There are not really a kickoff return anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder what we're gonna do with the punt, Like,
Speaker 2: is the NFL I'm going to somehow modify what you
Speaker 2: can do on a punt, Like I don't know how
Speaker 2: far they're going to take this, but I do get
Speaker 2: concerned about then.
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I look that's interesting. I again, I didn't
Speaker 12: see the XFL, but I think that is kind of
Speaker 12: a fascinating come you know, kind of a way to
Speaker 12: combine things to make it more safe, but yet have
Speaker 12: have it be a meaningful play the punt thing. I
Speaker 12: don't know what the answer would be there.
Speaker 2: He's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network analyst and Chargers radio color analyst.
Speaker 2: The quarterbacks who are going to show up. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many are going to go through drills, but
Speaker 2: that could you be swayed with the medicals and you know,
Speaker 2: the interviewing portion more so than you see something on
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the most powerful, you know, tool that would impact
Speaker 12: your draft stock is what happens with the medical because
Speaker 12: then it's not even you don't even get to make
Speaker 12: the decision. You know. I've been in the personnel room
Speaker 12: where we finished meetings, you know, going into the combine,
Speaker 12: and I've seeing the board and how we had it
Speaker 12: stacked up. And then you come back for the next
Speaker 12: round of meetings in a first of April, and you
Speaker 12: go what happened to Johnson? Johnson was all the way
Speaker 12: up there like he's off, like the medical stuff. He
Speaker 12: got completely taken off of our board. So that's, you know,
Speaker 12: that's the most impactful thing that happens down here this week.
Speaker 12: And I would say I was talking to some I
Speaker 12: was talking to a GM yesterday about the interviews and
Speaker 12: he was saying, how you know, how much can you
Speaker 12: get out of fifteen minutes with a kid? And I said, well,
Speaker 12: I don't know that they can convince you of anything
Speaker 12: or sell you on anything, but I have been in there,
Speaker 12: and he admitted he had too. We're some and it's
Speaker 12: very rare people disqualify themselves rather quickly in a fifteen
Speaker 12: minute interview. But that's rare.
Speaker 2: Okay. Did you have any silly questions when you were
Speaker 2: doing these interviews? I?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I my favorite one. I think I
Speaker 12: might have told you this before. My favorite one was
Speaker 12: when we had pac Man Jones in and we asked him.
Speaker 12: I didn't ask him, but somebody in the room. I
Speaker 12: hate the one to ten questions, but somebody in the
Speaker 12: room asked him, how would you judge your hands on
Speaker 12: a scale of one to ten? And pac Man looked
Speaker 12: at his right hand and said, ten, and then he
Speaker 12: looked at his left hand and said ten. He created
Speaker 12: them individually, not collectively.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that, where's your second tier?
Speaker 2: You draw the line with the three Drake May, Jane Daniels,
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams, and then there's a drop off.
Speaker 12: Yeah for me. For me, yeah, there's a drop off
Speaker 12: then you get into the next three. So I feel
Speaker 12: like we have, you know, kind of a three man
Speaker 12: battle at the top, and then I think kind of
Speaker 12: have a three man battle for that next one with McCarthy,
Speaker 12: with bow Nix and with Pennix. And so that's the
Speaker 12: cool thing about this, you know, like we won't see
Speaker 12: the top three guys out there throwing at the combine,
Speaker 12: but there's other competitions taking place. And to be honest
Speaker 12: with you, Dan, I don't know who would you rather be.
Speaker 12: Would you rather be one of those three teams competing
Speaker 12: to go to a team that's picking first, second, or third,
Speaker 12: or would you rather be those other three who are
Speaker 12: gonna get a chance to go to better rosters, you know,
Speaker 12: less pressure, more players around you. Like that that we
Speaker 12: could have an argument on whether that's the better option there.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we've talked about it. I certainly have
Speaker 2: on the show that the reason why some quarterbacks are
Speaker 2: successful is they went a little bit later and went
Speaker 2: to a more established team and the coach. You know,
Speaker 2: look at Mahomes. If Mahomes goes to you know, Carolina
Speaker 2: or whoever, you know, even this year, Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 2: Carolina would not be Patrick Mahomes. He just wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: But you go, you got a Hall of fame coach,
Speaker 2: they have some Hall of Fame talent on that team,
Speaker 2: and you put in his talent. And you know that's
Speaker 2: what when you're more successful, you're more successful sooner. Sometimes
Speaker 2: when you go a little bit later in the in
Speaker 2: the draft.
Speaker 12: Yeah, at the continuity, man, it's it's everything for those guys.
Speaker 12: And like I get asked the question about Kayleb Williams
Speaker 12: all the time, as I can he be you know,
Speaker 12: you know, maybe not Patrick Moulk. Can it be like
Speaker 12: Patrick Mahomes, can he have you know, can he.
Speaker 10: Be that down?
Speaker 12: I'm like, well, does he get to go sit behind
Speaker 12: Alex Smith for a year, get coached by Andy Reid
Speaker 12: for a year and throw to Kelsey and Tyreek Hill
Speaker 12: as he kind of gets to speak what I'd feel
Speaker 12: very confident and saying, yep, I'll stamp that one, that
Speaker 12: one's going to happen. But you don't know what type
Speaker 12: of environment these guys are going to go into.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the reason why these teams are picking high
Speaker 2: because they've had turnover. Maybe you don't have good ownership.
Speaker 2: Maybe uh, you know, it's a new coach, an offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator and you know all of those things. Also, they
Speaker 2: got rid of the cognitive test after what happened to CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2: Help me understand exactly, you know, was this a smear
Speaker 2: campaign with CJ Stroud? You know, was it leaked to
Speaker 2: embarrass him or have him drop? You know, is it
Speaker 2: is it you know strategy here?
Speaker 12: I think you probably. I think that's given whoever leaked
Speaker 12: at too much credit. I think a lot of times
Speaker 12: what happens is there's a weird relationship between you know,
Speaker 12: coaches or even personnel who get access to this information
Speaker 12: and they become friendly with reporters and it's kind of
Speaker 12: you know, I'm not saying this is the motivation, but
Speaker 12: a lot of times it's, hey, you know, you're kind
Speaker 12: of helping me with you know, con text and helping
Speaker 12: me get my name out there and helping me. Hey,
Speaker 12: let me give you a little something. How about this?
Speaker 12: Can you believe this? This kid got you know, such
Speaker 12: and such on a test. Uh, And it's kind of
Speaker 12: just like a trade of information there. I don't think
Speaker 12: there was anything that was you know, ah, we're going
Speaker 12: to try and get him to fall in our lap
Speaker 12: and he's going to drop in the draft. I think
Speaker 12: it was something probably like that.
Speaker 2: Well, considering how CJ. Stround performed, you know, maybe we
Speaker 2: you know, reconsider that test. I know some agencies just
Speaker 2: said we're not going to have our players take it,
Speaker 2: and and you know, I feel bad even the Wonder Lick.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take the Wonder Lick, and I wouldn't take
Speaker 2: the cognitive test because not everything is shared, so it's
Speaker 2: not going to be private. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know you're going to be the guy who got
Speaker 2: a nine on the wonder Lick. You can't play football,
Speaker 2: or you know, your cognitive test was really low, you
Speaker 2: can't play. I don't know. I understand the player's side
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 12: So I used to have to at Pro Day's. When
Speaker 12: you're scouting, you carry in your backpack a stack of
Speaker 12: wonder Lick tests and the guys that hadn't taken them,
Speaker 12: or hadn't been to the combine or at the proto,
Speaker 12: you'd have to administer the test. So I come home
Speaker 12: from a pro day and I put my bag on
Speaker 12: the table and I can't clean out my backpack and
Speaker 12: these tests around the table. My wife goes, what's that
Speaker 12: and I go, oh, this is the Wonderlick test. I said,
Speaker 12: I'll tell you what. You sit down at a twelve
Speaker 12: minute test. You take it first, and then I'll take
Speaker 12: it after you take it. So my wife takes it
Speaker 12: and she gets like a I want like a thirty
Speaker 12: seven or a thirty eight, which is a really high score.
Speaker 12: I go, hey, that's great. She goes, Okay, your turn.
Speaker 12: I go, no chance, I said, I've spent my whole
Speaker 12: life thinking you're smarter than me. I don't want it
Speaker 12: to be concretely proven. It didn't take it not happening. Yeah,
Speaker 12: So I didn't want to share that information with my
Speaker 12: significant other. I can imagine how other people must feel
Speaker 12: when it gets public.
Speaker 2: Okay, but does it really translate into anything? When you're
Speaker 2: asking me these questions like give me a for instance, question.
Speaker 12: A lot of times it can be like the simple
Speaker 12: you know, if you're leaving you know this city at
Speaker 12: this time and you're going sixty miles an hour or
Speaker 12: two hours from now, you know that that type of
Speaker 12: that type of stuff.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I I've never I've never been a huge believer in that.
Speaker 12: I've been on teams where some of our lowest scores
Speaker 12: on that because it would be on their draft card.
Speaker 12: Are you know they have gold jackets hanging in their
Speaker 12: closet right now, so you know, I never bought to that.
Speaker 12: But I think people dan and whether it's the cognitive
Speaker 12: tests or whether it's a metric, whether it's you know,
Speaker 12: the GPS data that we get now, whether it's a
Speaker 12: stat that these guys have. Everybody's trying to find like
Speaker 12: the okay, what's the code here, what's the cheat code
Speaker 12: for how we figure these players out? And it turns
Speaker 12: out there isn't one. Man, it's not it's not a science.
Speaker 12: There is not one you know, data point. There's not
Speaker 12: one question you get an answer and you're gonna know
Speaker 12: who these guys are. It's I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 12: a flip of the coin sometimes, man, you don't. It's
Speaker 12: it's it's it's difficult to figure out. And I think
Speaker 12: people have tried to find a shortcut and there isn't one.
Speaker 2: I go back to when I was told about a
Speaker 2: quarterback and this was equipment manager, and he said, wait
Speaker 2: till you get a load of this guy, and I go,
Speaker 2: what do you mean? He goes, doesn't put in the time,
Speaker 2: doesn't put in the effort, and was it well liked?
Speaker 2: And he's going to go high in the draft. And
Speaker 2: then I immediately thought, I wonder how often people do
Speaker 2: background checks from the standpoint of you know, if the
Speaker 2: equipment guy, team manager, any of those things. And I
Speaker 2: know that it puts them in a tough spot, but
Speaker 2: you do want to find out about this guy somehow,
Speaker 2: some way. Hey, dear teammates like you. Like it seems
Speaker 2: so simple, your teammates like you. And in this case,
Speaker 2: he proved to be correct in what he was saying
Speaker 2: about this player who didn't turn out to be a
Speaker 2: successful quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I've always found like these combine interviews. I would learn
Speaker 12: more about their teammates than I would about them individually,
Speaker 12: because they're going to have all their canned answers. They've
Speaker 12: been training, they've had people telling them what to say
Speaker 12: to all these questions. But when you have a kid
Speaker 12: in from Texas and you say, hey, any of your
Speaker 12: teammates say anything at halftime when you were down, you know,
Speaker 12: by two touchdowns in this particular game, any of your
Speaker 12: teammates said, oh, gosh, the linebacker, you know, Smith came
Speaker 12: in and he was, you know, getting in everybody's face
Speaker 12: and got us going and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 12: And I've learned more about his teammate than I did
Speaker 12: about him in that fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, have fun there, and uh,
Speaker 2: we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna stress it ten times this year, Dan, I
Speaker 12: like it.
Speaker 2: I like it. Thank you, buddy, Daniel Jeremiah. NFL network
Speaker 2: analyst Rich Eisen has the forty. I'm going to do
Speaker 2: the ten.
Speaker 8: Oh you gotta start preparing though, No, I don't, can you?
Speaker 8: I would tap out at eight probably I wouldn't make it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to coast like I'm going to do like
Speaker 2: Ussein Bolt where he looks over his shoulder when I
Speaker 2: get to eight yards, I'm gonna be like, eh, where
Speaker 2: are you I'm gonna do the ten yard dash? Take
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Speaker 2: I mentioned this starting the hour Caitlin Clark plays tonight
Speaker 2: against Minnesota and moving in on Pete Marivitch's all time
Speaker 2: scoring record, But I mentioned Lynette Woodard who played at
Speaker 2: Kansas and then played for the Globe Trotters, and when
Speaker 2: she was playing and setting the all time scoring record,
Speaker 2: there wasn't an nc double A and I think it
Speaker 2: was the aia W, perhaps Paulie if I'm correct with the.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you are correct, and the AIAW the Intercollegiate Athletics
Speaker 8: for Women. They changed in the nineteen eighty two season
Speaker 8: to the NCAA. So Caitlyn Clark is the NCAA all
Speaker 8: time leading score now. Lynette Woodard missed the NCAA by
Speaker 8: one season. She played one more seasons at Kansas. She
Speaker 8: also didn't have a three point line, by the way,
Speaker 8: but she if she played one more season at Kansas,
Speaker 8: she would have overlapped with one year with the NCAA.
Speaker 8: Now here's the thing that's unfair to her. Other people
Speaker 8: like coaches Tera van Derveer and Pat Summit. They coached
Speaker 8: the AIAW, and their wins in the AIAW translated over
Speaker 8: to their overall record wins in their careers.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that right.
Speaker 8: So some people are saying that it's not really fair
Speaker 8: because she didn't play one year of crossing over that
Speaker 8: her stats don't come with because it's happened in other cases.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark has been unbelievable. But I think you know,
Speaker 2: when you honor those who are breaking records, now, just
Speaker 2: don't forget about those that you know came before the predecessors.
Speaker 2: And maybe somebody will tonight mention Lynette and what she did.
Speaker 2: And yes, she did play for the Globehotters. She obviously
Speaker 2: was a wonderful player, but she should be recognized here.
Speaker 2: I saw where Jay Williams of the Mothership did he
Speaker 2: say Caitlin Clark's not great yet because she hasn't won
Speaker 2: a championship. I think that was were we on break
Speaker 2: when he said that, And I'm thinking, well, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of players and a lot of sports. Who aren't great,
Speaker 2: then Alan Iverson not great, Dan Reno not great, Charles
Speaker 2: Barklay not great, Karl Malone not great. If you want
Speaker 2: to say greatest of all time, that's fine, okay. And
Speaker 2: if you're going to use that logic, if Jay is
Speaker 2: using that logic, then Breonna Stewart is the greatest college
Speaker 2: women's college basketball player of all time, not even close,
Speaker 2: No argument, can't be. She won four titles and I
Speaker 2: believe she was most valuable player all four at times
Speaker 2: they won the tournament, right, got to be the greatest
Speaker 2: of all time? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he was saying not that she's not great,
Speaker 4: but that you can't put her in the conversation of
Speaker 4: greatest of all time until you win a championship.
Speaker 2: I thought he was saying he didn't use the word
Speaker 2: great yet. I thought he said goat. Oh okay, Well,
Speaker 2: I want to be fair to Jay. I thought he
Speaker 2: said that he can't use the word great yet. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought it was goat, but goat great but could be. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he said that there's levels to greatness and if you
Speaker 4: want to be considered one of the greatest of all
Speaker 4: time time, you have to have championships.
Speaker 2: Well, I think if she was on a on Yukon,
Speaker 2: she would probably have a title or two. Or South
Speaker 2: Carolina LSU. I mean is who is at Reese with
Speaker 2: LSU Angel Reese. I mean she transferred, but she went
Speaker 2: to LSU. I think she was at Maryland so she
Speaker 2: could be in conversation before Caitlin Clark becures she's won
Speaker 2: a title. I get it that, you know, bottom line
Speaker 2: sports society, that we want you to win championships, But
Speaker 2: in some instances, I think you have to look at
Speaker 2: the context of how good you were when you played.
Speaker 2: I don't think I was a good you know, a
Speaker 2: top end basketball team. I think she makes them a
Speaker 2: top end basketball team. South Carolina doesn't have any stars.
Speaker 2: South Carolina's the best team in the country, no name recognition,
Speaker 2: lost all five starters from last year, but they are
Speaker 2: the favorites to win the title. Yeah, and greatness is
Speaker 2: an open conversation. What about greatness in lifting up a sport,
Speaker 2: lifting up a university Iowa University, lifting up the sport
Speaker 2: of women's basketball. There's a lot of people have won
Speaker 2: titles who have not lifted anything, have not captivated America.
Speaker 2: That's a different level of greatness. Your personal definition the
Speaker 2: impact that she's had on her sport. It's like Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: If Steph Curry didn't win a title, but he's still
Speaker 2: with Steph Curry, He'd still be the greatest shooter of
Speaker 2: all time. But you throw in the titles. Now he
Speaker 2: can be at least in the conversation. He's in at
Speaker 2: least the room of greatest player of all time. He
Speaker 2: may not call his name for a little while, but
Speaker 2: he's still there because he won those championships.
Speaker 8: Yes, Paulin, you could make the case, and I'm not
Speaker 8: trying to overdo it here, so pump the brakes. Is
Speaker 8: kayl and Clark can be compared a little bit to
Speaker 8: Wayne Gretzky in changing direction of a sport, or interest
Speaker 8: in a sport, or captivation of a true phenom. And
Speaker 8: you know, if you saw what Gretzky did for hockey
Speaker 8: in America. Now, I don't not equating apples to apples,
Speaker 8: but women's basketball in the past four years, the ratings
Speaker 8: speak for themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, she's selling out buildings. I mean, when's the last
Speaker 2: time you know a student body stormed the court after
Speaker 2: a win? You know, where ten thousand people at Ohio
Speaker 2: State went to see or play. She has had a
Speaker 2: great impact. I don't think she's going to win the
Speaker 2: title this year. You know, if they get to the
Speaker 2: final four, that'll be a monumental achievement there because they
Speaker 2: Indiana's a good team, Ohio State's a good team, and
Speaker 2: you know there's other good teams just in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: But her impact has been wonderful. But it goes back
Speaker 2: to what I said before, don't forget about the players
Speaker 2: who came before you. I'm not saying she's not remembering them.
Speaker 2: Cheryl Miller's probably the best female player I ever saw,
Speaker 2: but having seen her in person, but Caitlin Clark, I
Speaker 2: mean that's that's a whole different level of impact on
Speaker 2: a sport. Cheryl's the first athlete I saw. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: Cheryl can play. Final Hour on the way, we'll check
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