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Speaker 1: I'm here, Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Vikings Tailgate, brought

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Speaker 1: this week, coming off their forty seven nine dismantling of

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Speaker 1: Zach Martina whats up.

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Speaker 3: I feel blessed hashtag blessed that I get to talk

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Speaker 1: Every part of the Lion's recent ascension has been documented

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Speaker 2: We were there.

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Speaker 1: When you were coming, when you hired Dan Campbell, when

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Speaker 1: here as you are one of the COMMONFC Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and you are coming to Minnesota to take on the

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Speaker 1: surprising five and zero Minnesota Vikings. This, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 4: This is no, this is this is absolutely the biggest game.

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Speaker 3: I mean Dallas having played Dallas last week and you

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Speaker 4: You called it, you called it. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 4: You called it. And I'm happy to see Sam Donald's doing.

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Speaker 3: I was doing it at home. My little nephew was over.

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Speaker 3: I mean Hutchinson he had eleven sacks last year. Through

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Speaker 2: Is that an original Zach.

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Speaker 3: Original Zach Martine. And that's a good joke. I don't

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Speaker 2: So do this for me?

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Speaker 2: You know you want to do it, Just do it.

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Speaker 1: single time, because that's that's what this team needs against

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00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: a good team given.

436
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: Competitive Yeah, that's a competitive victory.

437
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's why this is such a big game.

438
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: To me.

439
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: It's such a big stack up game.

440
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: Well, and I mean from a from a Lion standpoint,

441
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 3: this is our first division game, so we are juice

442
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 3: about this and I don't know, man, Like this division

443
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: is crazy. What was the stat like within the first

444
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: six weeks where the only division since like nineteen eighty

445
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: or something like that that has a winning record on

446
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: every single team? Like this is this is an exciting

447
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: time to be any NFC North fan. You know, you've

448
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: got people in Chicago who obviously are super jazzed about

449
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. I mean, I'm very curious to hear what

450
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: your thoughts are on the love for Donald as opposed

451
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: to how people felt about Cousins. Is it just a

452
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: completely different vibe amongst Vikings fans.

453
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: I here's the thing, the only the Donald thing has

454
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: been so fun to this point, and I actually think

455
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: it's been a gift to the fan base because the

456
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: fan base for Kirk's entirety was so split about Kirk,

457
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: and they were so split about his departure, and they've

458
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: been so split going into the season to not have

459
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: to wait to see if JJ panned out, to recognize

460
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: that things can be a version of good or a

461
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: version of okay without Kirk. Su has pretty much removed

462
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: the Kirk dialogue from this city. He like he is

463
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: gone in a way that you know, long term, big

464
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: money starting quarterbacks are rarely gone from a scene like

465
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mind. Now. It'll be interesting

466
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Speaker 1: when he comes back with a Falcons team this December

467
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: to play the Vikings in Minnesota. I think the conversations

468
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: will stir back up. And I do think there are

469
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Speaker 1: some people who weren't big Kirk people who, especially early

470
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: as he struggled to get his legs under him, were

471
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: having a pretty good time, probably in text threads and

472
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: on the x Mas the X but the X Machine.

473
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: But I do I personally have enjoyed the Donald thing

474
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: because of the ease of it.

475
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it just happens, yep.

476
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Speaker 1: And he's just I will say he didn't have a

477
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: very good game against the Jets in in England, but

478
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: to this point, he's very much just a guy, right,

479
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: And I think there's just something to be said for that.

480
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for a reclamation project.

481
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: And you know, the chip on his shoulder and the

482
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: hope he has and just his willingness to just be

483
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Speaker 1: all in and then this I'm not comparing that to

484
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Speaker 1: what Kirk had. I'm just saying I just his vibe

485
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: combined with Koc's vibe, has been really really enjoyable for

486
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Speaker 1: the fan base.

487
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Speaker 3: Now I can say that there's a parallel to between

488
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Speaker 3: Golf and Darnald as far as reclamation projects, like, oh,

489
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: you're just sent off, you're gonna end up being a

490
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: bad whatever, and then all of a sudden he is

491
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: lights out and people are pleased with what he's doing.

492
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: I mean, Donald's doing it quicker than Golf did in

493
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: Detroit because Goff we were part of that.

494
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Speaker 4: I mean it was Campbell's first year.

495
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Speaker 3: I think we won three games, uh, and then kind

496
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: of really turned it around the following year.

497
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Speaker 4: Do you have any concerns?

498
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: And I'm curious about this as just an overall football fan.

499
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Speaker 4: You only signed a year contract.

500
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Speaker 1: Right, No, it's an awesome problem to app zero concerns.

501
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: I know where you're going. I have zero. Is it

502
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: about what happens if he stays this excellent all year long?

503
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Speaker 1: Is that the question?

504
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: Well?

505
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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, do you are you? Are

506
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: you gonna have?

507
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be a tough pill to swallow if

508
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: he leaves next year?

509
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: No? Now here's the thing I don't. I would need

510
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: the full context of the situation to answer that question.

511
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: But to me, I am rooting for Sam Darnald the

512
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: Human because I think it's an amazing story and it's

513
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: really really fun. But I am also rooting for something

514
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: that I have been a believer in for a really

515
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: long time, which is the modern football math equation.

516
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: And this is about to touch.

517
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: On the rest of the division here, But you know,

518
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: this season is a big time season. It's developed into

519
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity for it to be a big time season.

520
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: But this team is walking into an outrageous amount of

521
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: cap space this offseason and as well as Donald's been playing.

522
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: You're looking around at a team where Jordan Addison is

523
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: very very good and Van Ginkle's good and he's on

524
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: a two year deal. That's very very good. You know,

525
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: you have all Blake Cashman is playing incredible, So you

526
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: have all these guys you know, in a really good situation,

527
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: and you have all this cap space. So to me,

528
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: whether it's Donald, whether it's JJ McCarthy, like, I like

529
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: the math of the quarterback room right now, and I

530
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: do think that's helping the situation immensely. And so is

531
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Speaker 1: there a world where Sam Donald plays exceptional? And I

532
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: want him back absolutely, but I don't know how Like

533
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: as now we're seeing this is the third example. We

534
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: saw Geno Smith, we see Baker Mayfield, and now we're

535
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: seeing Sam Donald. And the big question is is an

536
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: excellent year by Donald does that lead him into the

537
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: Jared Goff Jordan Love conversation for contracts that upper echelon

538
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: conversation or is he in the Baker Mayfield Gino Smith conversation?

539
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Because that's a big deal. That's a big gap right there,

540
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not smart enough. I wouldn't want that decision.

541
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Speaker 1: But what I am psyched about. Is a team with

542
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: a really strongly built roster with a quarterback that can

543
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: get things done with the head coach and still have

544
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: the talent around him. Let me ask you, let me

545
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: flip the question back to you, because a little baby

546
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: over there in Michigan in the glove, you're about a

547
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 1: year away from being on the other side of that.

548
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Jared Goff was the I mean, it's probably not fair.

549
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: We should have given Jared Goff the reclamation project. I

550
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: mean he he should be included.

551
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: But he got to the super Bowl.

552
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he got to the super Bowl.

553
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: And you know, once you guys paid him, he's not

554
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: being paid like Baker and Gino. So is there any

555
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: concern do you think it's it's timed up right with

556
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: your young players and everything. Has the drafting been so good?

557
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Is there any concern that as you guys have to

558
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: pay Jared Goff what you'll have to pay him, that

559
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: his because you always want no matter. Like the funny

560
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: thing about Patrick Mahomes is no matter how much you

561
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: pay him, he overperformed. And so is there any worry

562
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: about the salary cap and Jared Goff going forward? Well?

563
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it has to do, like

564
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: you said, with Koc and Darnold, the way that Goff

565
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: and Ben Johnson seemed to compliment each other.

566
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: You know, let me let me cut you off to

567
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: ask you why did Ben not leave last year? He's

568
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: the hottest coordinator in the league. Is he truly being

569
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: that picky about a head job? Does he have that

570
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: much believe in the team? What was the what's the

571
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: vibe in Detroit?

572
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of the two.

573
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: And I mean what he vocally came out and said

574
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: was we have just we have things that are unfinished

575
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: in he gave a very Dan Campbell answer, and he

576
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: gave a very like I'm a loyal guy, we have

577
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: unfinished things he found. I mean, I think the writing

578
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: was on the wall that Aaron Glenn wasn't leaving. You know,

579
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: when you have a team that goes to the NFC

580
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: Championship and you bring back I mean everyone, including both coordinators,

581
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's what it came down to.

582
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: I think he wasn't worried at all with the offense

583
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: he had coming into this year that the offers wouldn't

584
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: be there next year.

585
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great point. And how much

586
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: how much did the people in Michigan were like, oh

587
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, like that guy never buys a sandwich for

588
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: the rest of his life.

589
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 4: Were we were?

590
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: We were very, very I mean it was one of

591
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: those things where it's like that was one of the

592
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: biggest offseason acquisitions ever, like to retain.

593
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: Not one but both coordinators. It was huge.

594
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: But back to your point, with the the math aspect

595
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: and everything, I do think a lot of it comes

596
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: down to Ben Johnson and Jared Goff because Ben Johnson

597
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: has built an offense to Jared Goff as opposed to

598
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: Sean McVay, who was like, Hey, this is my offense,

599
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: you gotta work around it. I think I think that

600
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: has been a huge thing. Our line also is locked

601
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: up already, so the offense and then we just I

602
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: mean we did resign am and Raw and then Laporte

603
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: is on a rookie deal, Gibbs is on a rookie deal.

604
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: We just resigned an extension to David Montgomery. So the

605
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: only questionable piece on this offense right now as far

606
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: as contract goes, is Jamison Williams, who is coming into

607
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: what would be his his fifth year next year, and

608
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: obviously that's gonna he's gonna command some money. I really

609
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: hope he doesn't go anywhere, because everyone in Detroit loves

610
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams. I think that I think the equation comes

611
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: in on on the the defensive side. I don't think

612
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: I don't think our offense is going to have an issue.

613
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: And that's where it always comes in. That's where it

614
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: all well.

615
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing though.

616
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: I think I think when you think about the offense,

617
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: it's not always that the entire offensive line is locked

618
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: up and one of the best units in the league,

619
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: if not the best.

620
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Speaker 1: I really think, what again, it's Patrick Mahomes, so it

621
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: doesn't count. It's not fair. But I really think what

622
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: the Chiefs did was interesting. They said, Okay, goodbye, Tyreek,

623
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: we love you, You're great, goodbye. We are going to

624
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: have one quarterback and one playmaker. And everybody keeps going,

625
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: we need to get Patrick, you know, we need to

626
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: get Patrick Mahomes some weapons. And obviously they hope that

627
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: one of these free agent, these lower tier free agents,

628
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: or these rookies they draft step up. You know that,

629
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, you get people like the Pachecos to step in.

630
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: But it is very very clear that once they gave

631
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Patrick that money, they went, Okay, we are not the team.

632
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: And it's worked. The two Super Bowls in a row,

633
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: they went all defense, all O line, two important guys,

634
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: Kelsey Mahomes and so. But I you know, for the Lions,

635
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You can't go all defense, all

636
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: O line, Golf and aman Ra because GoF isn't gonna

637
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: do to a defense from a scheme standpoint and from

638
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: a preparation standpoint. So that that's I'll be curious what

639
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm I'm interested in what's happening in Buffalo.

640
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I'll be really interested in whatever the Bengals think they're

641
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: doing or are trying to do. But if you have

642
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: somebody that good, you know, how do you survive? But

643
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you have somebody who is good

644
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: but is not Patrick Mahomes, what's the future. And so

645
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: you're saying, you're saying you're hoping to have an offense

646
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: in tac and so good that if you hit a

647
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: few draft picks on defense you can suffer through the struggle.

648
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: Let me yeah, let me put it this way.

649
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: Last year we made it to the NFC Championship and

650
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: against the past, we were like, maybe not historically but

651
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: pretty close to being historically bad.

652
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: Our offense was firing. We had that line.

653
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: I think when you say Patrick Mahomes and playmaker Kelsey,

654
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: I think the unit of an offensive line is a playmaker.

655
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they offensive I think that is that.

656
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

657
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: Jared Goff is not good under pressure, but fortunately for us,

658
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 3: we haven't. He hasn't really been under a whole lot

659
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: of pressure. So if we have to pay this offense

660
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: and we keep it intact, and then we've got a

661
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: roll with some you know, bargain bin free agents, guys

662
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: on the end of their contracts, rookies, what have you.

663
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: I think that it's a similar situation to last year.

664
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: And at that point I wonder if people are rising

665
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 3: to the occasion because I'm hoping that this is the case.

666
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, it's a team that Dan

667
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: Campbell's culture, Brad Holmes culture has come around and they

668
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 3: rise to the occasion. Because one thing we haven't talked

669
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: about on this episode is, I mean, Dan Campbell, I

670
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: don't know if you saw what golf did in the

671
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: the the.

672
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 4: Post game, after Dallas.

673
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: But like Goff got his game ball and then stopped

674
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: at the end of the thing and he gave the

675
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: game ball to Dan Campbell because it's like, that's our guy.

676
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 4: No one gives this guy any credit in the locker room.

677
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: He's always given us game balls, and like this team

678
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: loves Dan Campbell.

679
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: I mean, you want to.

680
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: Talk about a player's coach, I think that's I think

681
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: that's a huge indicator. We're gonna lose these coordinators at

682
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 3: some point, but Dan Campbell, for all intents and purpose,

683
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: is going to be around for a while. So if

684
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: you're playing for a guy that you'll run through a

685
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: wall for, are you going to overexceed because he knows

686
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: how to talk to you.

687
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Speaker 1: So another thing that I think is is super important

688
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: in that same line of conversation is that every team,

689
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: if they're super honest, has the thing that they're just

690
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: it's a little bit worried about. Maybe it's due to

691
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: past football, you know, damage they have baggage, or maybe

692
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: it's the reality of their current situation. Like I think,

693
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: if you're a Vikings fan, you know, somewhere in the

694
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: back of your mind you go, is this new Sam

695
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Donald At some point in a really important moment, going

696
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: to turn into the old Sam Donald. Like we said

697
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: when the Vikings went to the NFC Championship against the Eagles,

698
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of stuff other stuff going

699
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: on in that game, but all season it felt like

700
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: we were getting away with it, like, oh my gosh,

701
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: you're just waiting for case Keenum to have a moment

702
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: like that is more what Then he throws the pick,

703
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: the bad pick on our side of the field early

704
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship, So I think you're worrying about

705
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that a little bit. If you're a Viking fan. Everybody

706
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: loves the kicker, but you're never You're never gonna feel

707
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: good about a kicker. And tell the Super Bowl clock

708
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: has clicked zero and you've won the game. No Viking

709
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: will ever And if you're sitting at home saying it,

710
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're a fun person to be around.

711
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: If you're that confident in something that's burned you that much.

712
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to ride in a car with you,

713
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to dinner with you. Hard

714
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: pass on everything you do. But for you, guys, is

715
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: there anywhere in the back of your head as much

716
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: as he's a player's coach as great as he is.

717
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: Do you have that and as much as you wouldn't

718
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: want anybody else, you wouldn't change it? Are you able

719
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: to shake that couple different choices in that NFC Championship

720
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: game and you're in the super Bowl? Like, he has

721
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: had a decision making hand in some pretty pinnacle moments

722
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: in important games that haven't gone your way? Is that

723
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: a thing that sits behind you going, what's he gonna do? Like?

724
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: Do you worry about it at all?

725
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: I don't have any issue with Dan Campbell's decision making

726
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: because he stands by it and he doesn't change like

727
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: it's worked for us so far, or as the NFC

728
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: Championship goes. Yeah, you can say whatever you want about

729
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 3: the calls that he made, But the number of balls

730
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: that hit receivers in the hands in that second half

731
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: and were dropped was I mean, as a Lions fan,

732
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: something I hadn't seen since I was a kid, Like,

733
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: it was so many drops. So it wasn't any one

734
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: thing as far as Dan Campbell goes, And like, am

735
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 3: I worried about anything? Yeah, we've had some terrible coaches.

736
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: We've had some coaches that haven't had their fair shake.

737
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: A'lla Jim Caldwell like he had a I don't know

738
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: why we got rid of him. Ultimately, I'm glad we

739
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: did because it got us here. And the only thing

740
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: I worry about with Dan Campbell is I as as

741
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: a fan of the Detroit Lions. I love Dan Campbell

742
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: so much that I want him to succeed and I

743
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: will be sad if he doesn't. That's the only thing

744
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 3: I have. I'm like, just tell me this isn't fool's gold,

745
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: and I don't think it is, but having gone through

746
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: what we've gone through, I mean it's there.

747
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: That is, uh, weirdly sad and pathetic relatable.

748
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you ended that with relatable because if

749
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: you'd have just ended at weirdly sad, I'm going dark.

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Speaker 4: I'm going dark, buddy.

751
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

752
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna close on something interesting, which is a very

753
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: dumb thing to do because this show doesn't come out

754
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: till Thursdays. Uh, and we're recording on a Tuesday. But

755
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: I just want to hear you respond to this. Uh, Well,

756
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: we've been recording. DeVante Adams has been traded to the Jets.

757
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: Are you serious?

758
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

759
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 4: H whatever. I don't think it's gonna help. I think

760
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: I think that.

761
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: I mean, let's go back to Geno Smith and uh

762
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold. The Jets can't handle a quarterback.

763
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: They just can't.

764
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: They it's not doing anything now all of a sudden,

765
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: given Aaron Rodgers the rains, but he's just gonna throw

766
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 3: it up. He's still throwing picks that cost him the game.

767
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: Their defense is supposed to be stacked, and they're not

768
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: blowing or they're not stopping anyone. Definitively and honestly, at

769
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 3: this point, I think DeVante Adam is as big a problem,

770
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Speaker 3: if not a bigger problem for them as Aaron Rodgers.

771
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Speaker 4: What did they send? What did they trade?

772
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a guy who likes to really do the research,

773
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: so let me pull it up here.

774
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: It looks like it is the Raiders will receive a

775
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: conditional third round pick that couldn't prove to a second

776
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 3: round selection.

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Speaker 1: Oh great, thanks for doing my job, ladies and gentlemen,

778
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: thank you. Cool.

779
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: Listen, if there's one thing a Lions fan is, it's helpful.

780
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Why don't you just send this? Why don't you just

781
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: send this to my boss? As zach I appreciate you.

782
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: Maybe they'll put in a good word with me with

783
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: the Lions organization, because I think they're still a little

784
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: bitter about what I did on that Matt Patricia stuff.

785
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: I think you should still be doing the Matt Patricia stuff.

786
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: I think the Matt Patricia character should evolve to just

787
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: being a a Lion super fan and you should still

788
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: be How funny would it be doing is like after

789
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: you guys won, You know how they have like it's

790
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: the had the Walking Dead and then they would have

791
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: the Talking Dead afterwards.

792
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: Sure, how funny would it be if you.

793
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: As Patricia after Dan Campbell's press conference you did the

794
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: After Campbell starring Matt Patricia where he just critiques Dan

795
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: Campbell's press conferences.

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00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 3: Oh my god, call it chunky soup, because I will

797
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: tell you, I will tell you this that it would

798
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: be so funny because Matt Patricia already looks like.

799
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 4: Most football fans on a Sunday.

800
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, like he's just got crumbs in his

801
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: beard and everything.

802
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: I would love that.

803
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: I also did think about going in and trying to

804
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: beat Dan Campbell, but I don't think my heart could

805
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 3: handle what it would take for me to get into

806
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 3: that kind of physical shape.

807
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you die in the gym

808
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: trying to become Dan Campbell, and for the sake of

809
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: your family and this program, we need you to avoid that.

810
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not gonna do it.

811
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Speaker 3: I will say that those press conferences were a brutal

812
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: so I don't want to do that anymore.

813
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: What do you think the score is this weekend?

814
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: Boy?

815
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: What do you got for a prediction?

816
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: This is a tough one because, like I said, that

817
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: question mark of pass rush for me is something that

818
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: I just can't wrap my head around. What I will

819
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: say is, I think coming off of that win in Dallas,

820
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: I was worried that there was going to be some

821
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: sort of hangover based on the blowout of it.

822
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: I think the.

823
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: Tough loss of Aiden Hudginson is going to galvanize the

824
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: team against that though. So I do think it's going

825
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: to be a competitive game, and I am taking the

826
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: Lions to win, but not to cover.

827
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: The Lions to win, but not to cover no score prediction.

828
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: So I will go I just don't know.

829
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: What the line is. I just don't know what the

830
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: line is.

831
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: But I would say my gut is saying something like

832
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 3: thirty to twenty seven, twenty eight to twenty seven, something

833
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: like that, like within three or four points.

834
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: So I think the.

835
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: I think the defenses show up despite there being a

836
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: lot of offensive ability on both sides of the ball.

837
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Vikings.

838
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: Let me let me try and read your let me

839
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: try and read your mind.

840
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, it's okay. No no, it's okay. Let me

841
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: get my very no no, let's say, let me get

842
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: my very real pressure and let me get my very

843
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: real prediction. Now it's gonna be fun.

844
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: It's let's go one hundred and forty six to twelve

845
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: Lions twelve Vikings, one hundred and forty six.

846
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: I changed it up. Is that just in case?

847
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: Is that all field goals? Or is that two touchdowns?

848
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: No, pat, No, it's it's four field goals.

849
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: You guys are gonna get four field goals.

850
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: It's six safeties.

851
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: They're all gonna be garbage time field goals.

852
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah there, yeah, like what Dallas did. Dallas had no touchdowns.

853
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: They I just had field goals.

854
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: To your turn time, you're gonna get your You actually

855
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: predicted exactly right. If I had to predict it. I

856
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: think it'll probably be six garbage time safeties for you guys,

857
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty six or twelve ladies and gentlemen.

858
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: The great Zach Martina. Go see him in Saint Paul's

859
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: You Heard the You Heard the dates in the intro

860
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: and the and go see him at laugh Camp in

861
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Saint Paul.

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00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: He's one of our favorites.

863
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: Bye bye.

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00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: Huge thanks to Zach.

865
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Martinez for joining the show, and thank you for listening

866
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: to our podcast feed. Hey, if you could give us

867
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: a like, give us a subscribe, and also again, huge

868
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: shout out to Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace out of

869
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen. We

870
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: will see you all again next week.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Vikings fans. Ben Lever here, I'm so excited to

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