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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. It is a joy

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Speaker 1: to be alongside global citizen. It is a joy to

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Speaker 1: be with you hands not running, not running a five

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Speaker 1: that was a short run, maybe five k. It's a marathon,

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Speaker 1: not a sprint. When we're getting to things like closing

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Speaker 1: the digital divide, now, I want to understand the scale

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Speaker 1: of the problem. Can you articulate just how difficult it

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Speaker 1: is right now for people to actually get access.

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Speaker 2: So the positive is that the last four or five

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Speaker 2: years we've added one billion people more to be diggn included.

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Speaker 2: It's roughly five point five billion in the world that

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Speaker 2: is having access to internet, but it's two point six

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Speaker 2: billion today that still are not connected. And we all

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Speaker 2: know being connected to your part of our society. You

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Speaker 2: can work, you can get it location, you can get

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Speaker 2: digital information. It's so important. So other two point six

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Speaker 2: billion people that are not connected on this earth today,

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Speaker 2: roughly ninety percent of them are actually covered by broadband

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Speaker 2: in some kind of fashion. Ninety percent ninety percent, And

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Speaker 2: then you ask me, so why you're OneD ucing it?

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Speaker 2: So there are different problems in different countries but basically

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Speaker 2: you need to break it down in three things. The

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Speaker 2: access to the technology. That has to be some broad

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Speaker 2: roughly and then the second part is affordability. You need

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Speaker 2: And finally it has to be usability. It has to

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Speaker 2: be digital education, digital healthcare and other societal important application

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Speaker 2: to actually be important for dignitil inclusion. Many all are

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Speaker 2: sitting here we think that being digited and included, we

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Speaker 2: here we talk about it shouldn't matter where you're born,

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Speaker 2: you can have if you digit it included, you can

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Speaker 2: of that and you can learn which others that are

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Speaker 2: two point six billion people is very important to address

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Speaker 2: together with the countries and with companies to see that

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Speaker 1: When you look at the learning side of the equation.

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Speaker 1: I know that's something that Verizon's doing deeply. So you

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Speaker 1: already say, look, most people actually have access in some

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Speaker 1: way of they've got broadband they could tap into. Why

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Speaker 1: are you looking at the education piece in particular, and

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Speaker 1: what are you doing about that here in the United States.

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Speaker 2: So if you look what Variazon is doing, we have

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Speaker 2: cities in Verizon where we connect our business to things

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Speaker 2: that are in our society. One of those goals is

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Speaker 2: to make ticketing inclusion for ten million students, getting students

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Speaker 2: them digital stem education, and I have to use them

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Speaker 2: of it. So far, our commitment over ten years is

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Speaker 2: of the United States. Those schools are going to get

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Speaker 2: broadband from us, and then I use my employees to

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Speaker 2: an ecosystem. But then you ask me, why are we

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Speaker 2: doing it? It's my business. My business is doing broadband.

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Speaker 1: Knows are you okay? So it's good business. But do

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Speaker 1: your investors get that? Do they see the long term

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Speaker 1: benefits rather than you know, margin today, revenue today, profit today.

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Speaker 2: I think that when you go away from the acronyms

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Speaker 2: And we have been onto this Verizonal Innovative Learning for

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Speaker 2: this is a is an ecosystem that is so important

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Speaker 1: Can I just take a step back and for a moment,

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Speaker 2: because they can be partners, they can apply for on job,

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Speaker 1: afford affordable devices. Where have you seen the most tangible

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Speaker 1: Why is it your calling? You have you ever since

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Speaker 1: just something that is impossible to ignore? Or does it

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about not just the digital divide here in

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Speaker 1: something that you, in particular, have tried to harness, tried

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Speaker 2: My commitment is or Verizon's commitment is a ten million

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Speaker 2: auditing all the commitments done by governments or by the companies,

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Speaker 2: the goal is one billion, we're on seven eighty four.

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Speaker 1: The two point six billion you said came.

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Speaker 1: And how if you're sat in this audient right now

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Speaker 1: you're feeling pretty inspired by you going out there sticking

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Speaker 1: your neckout on a one billion target, how can they help?

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Speaker 2: I think that any organization, any structure that is actually

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Speaker 2: mean usually building networks to ninety nine percent is private capital.

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Speaker 2: it actually work together with governments. If you're going to

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Speaker 2: subsidize on all of that and then to create sort

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Speaker 2: of usability healthcare, education, or financial inclusion digitally, mainly that's

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Speaker 2: owned by governments, So you have to do it crossover.

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Speaker 2: If not, you're not going to succeed. So anyone that

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Speaker 2: is working with those type of things and think that

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Speaker 2: they can help and have an organization that commit, they're

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Speaker 2: welcome to join the Edison Alliance that we're running in

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Speaker 2: order to see that we bridge that gap and reduce

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Speaker 2: it with one billion in less than five years.

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Speaker 1: And let's tackle the full two point six billion. Hands.

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Speaker 1: It's an inspiration. Thank you very much. Keep up with

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Speaker 1: a running, keep up with the marathon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it all so much