WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: The Brainiac

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am Joe McCormick. And today on Weird House

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about the nineteen sixty two

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican horror film The Brainiac, starring Abel Salazar Rosa, Maria

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<v Speaker 2>Gallardo or Guyardo, and Rubin Rojo. And this is one

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<v Speaker 2>that I saw many, many years ago. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>watched this with a friend in high school. I remembered

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<v Speaker 2>very little about it except the exquisitely bizarre design of

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<v Speaker 2>the monster, and this was such a treat upon revisit.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so absurd, but it also just takes your

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<v Speaker 2>soul on a ride, and in counterintuitive ways, is more

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<v Speaker 2>thought provoking than some viewers may think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had seen it previously, I think in a

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<v Speaker 1>rift tracks form so on. I was not expecting expecting

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<v Speaker 1>to have my thoughts provoked much at all, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>that they were provoked, So I will agree with you

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<v Speaker 1>on that. You know, I haven't referenced Michael Weldon's Psychotronic

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<v Speaker 1>Encyclopedia film recently, so I made sure to bust it

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<v Speaker 1>out to look up his entry for the Brainiac and

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<v Speaker 1>sure enough he also praised the creature design as well

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<v Speaker 1>as quote surprisingly surreal elements in the picture, and then

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<v Speaker 1>also adds if you can't find it on television, rent

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<v Speaker 1>the video cassette, which which which makes sense considering that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a film that was widely seen on cable

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<v Speaker 1>television at least back in the day, and probably pre

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<v Speaker 1>cable television as well, so it had it has had

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<v Speaker 1>a long long history of popping up unexpected on television

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<v Speaker 1>sets and then as a rental across various formats.

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<v Speaker 2>I think before there was as much of a market

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<v Speaker 2>as there is today for weird, low budget horror film,

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<v Speaker 2>this was one of the few. This was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that was on people's radar, along with maybe

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<v Speaker 2>ed Wood and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean there are various references to it.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, some of you may be familiar with it

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<v Speaker 1>because Frank Zappa references it in a song from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five called Debra Cadabra. This is the one where

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<v Speaker 1>he says, make Negro brainiact fingers but with more hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also there's also a line in that says

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<v Speaker 1>from the puffed and flabulent Mexican rubber goods mask, which

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<v Speaker 1>I believe must also be referencing the monster in this picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you at home are wondering what are Brainiact fingers,

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<v Speaker 2>how are they different from regular fingers, you gotta stay

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<v Speaker 2>tuned you'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially, what we have here is a resurrected warlock revenge picture,

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<v Speaker 1>a subgenre that I honestly love. We've covered various examples

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<v Speaker 1>of this on the show before, but there are some

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<v Speaker 1>neat sci fi type. There's a there's some creative use

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<v Speaker 1>of dissolve effects, and again a monster that is deliciously

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<v Speaker 1>creative in conception and an execution is you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>times comical, as low budget monsters often are, but also

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<v Speaker 1>at times pretty terrifying and always absolutely weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is also an example of inquisition'sploitation. Is the

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<v Speaker 2>reshorter version of that word.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, I think I think that's it in quisploitation, maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't. I don't feel like that conveys the

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<v Speaker 1>full meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as far as resurrected warlock revenge films go, how

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<v Speaker 2>does Brainiac square with your other favorites of the genre.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume you the main one I would think you're

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<v Speaker 2>referring to there is Horror Rises from the tomb Am.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrong, That's That's one of my favorites. So though,

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<v Speaker 1>there was also Piranha Mandir uh Parana Mandir the the

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<v Speaker 1>the Bollywood horror film from the Ramsey Brothers, a very

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<v Speaker 1>similar plotline, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some other ones,

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<v Speaker 1>probably some major examples outside of the Weird House episode list.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there's a question that has really been interesting me

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<v Speaker 2>since I rewatched Brainiac here, and that is how sympathetic

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<v Speaker 2>is the baron we were talking? We just recently last

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<v Speaker 2>week did an episode on Todd Browning's Dracula in which

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<v Speaker 2>we discussed changes to the character of Dracula as he

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<v Speaker 2>has been The story has been retold and reimagined through

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<v Speaker 2>different adaptations and films over the years, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the big changes is that in the novel there's really

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<v Speaker 2>nothing sympathetic about Dracula. You're not gonna like Dracula in

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<v Speaker 2>the novel. He's just nasty, horrible, demonic. And then in

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<v Speaker 2>these later versions you get a more tragic Dracula, Dracula

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<v Speaker 2>who there are some good things about him, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>at least he's got a sad backstory and so you

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<v Speaker 2>sympathize with him, even if it drives him to dark places.

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<v Speaker 2>In this movie, I feel like the backstory really rides

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<v Speaker 2>the knife's edge on whether we should consider the Barren

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<v Speaker 2>character originally sympathetic or not. There are some things said

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<v Speaker 2>about him that are both quite evil and quite good,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't know which ones to believe because we

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<v Speaker 2>never see the truth of the matter, so we only

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<v Speaker 2>see him in revenge mode, and we don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>he's like truly a wronged man who was just suffering

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<v Speaker 2>at the unjust hands of the Inquisition and then came

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<v Speaker 2>back for revenge, or was he always a nasty warlock?

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<v Speaker 1>True? True to what extent are these charges by the

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<v Speaker 1>Inquisition valid at all? Again? Are they all just trumped

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<v Speaker 1>up charges against a man who did some good in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, And there's some strong questions regarding whether he

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<v Speaker 1>was a man to begin with. Perhaps we have indeed

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<v Speaker 1>an alien visitor here who does some good in the

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<v Speaker 1>world and is punished for it, or it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know how humans work and does a mix of both,

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<v Speaker 1>not really understanding how one act falls on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of evil. In one act that it falls on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I was gonna say, elevator pitch. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not really an elevator pitch, but it might be a

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<v Speaker 2>good tagline for like a repackaging of the film, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is the Spanish Inquisition could not have expected this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's pretty good, pretty good. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>came to my mind was Dracula. But make it weirder,

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<v Speaker 1>not that it has much to do with Dracula other

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<v Speaker 1>than the evil the baron. The Baron of Terror in

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<v Speaker 1>this picture is dracula esque in some regards. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a suave dude who does weird eye hypnosis stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, enjoys the ladies, enjoys not their blood

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<v Speaker 1>but their brains. Loves them for their minds, but not

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<v Speaker 1>in the good way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are some fairly strong similarities.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but not in terms of like plot or

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<v Speaker 1>anything outside of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the big differences is that clearly

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<v Speaker 2>Crosses would not work on the Baron of Terror. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>The brainiac would laugh at your at your crucifix.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, all right, Let's hear just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of the trailer audio.

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<v Speaker 3>The RADIANC, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Shall return to your world within three hundred years. When

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<v Speaker 4>that comment completes its cycle, it is once again in

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<v Speaker 4>these latitudes. Three hundred years later, the Count returns to Earth.

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<v Speaker 4>In The Brainier, see horrible and insane killings. As the

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<v Speaker 4>Count turns into a monster and seeks his revenge, see

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<v Speaker 4>that Count feast from human brains. Don't miss the most

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<v Speaker 4>horror film film of.

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<v Speaker 3>The scripture, The Radiac, The RADIANC, The RADIANC, The Rainier,

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<v Speaker 3>B B B.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, now, if you want to watch The Brainiac

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<v Speaker 1>as well, certainly you can follow follow Michael Weldon's advice

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<v Speaker 1>and watch it on TV or look for the video

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<v Speaker 1>cassette upgrading that for today. There's a really nice looking

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<v Speaker 1>blu ray from Indicator. But again, the film has a

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<v Speaker 1>long history of playing on cable on television. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>available on DVD for quite a while. The Riff Tracks

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<v Speaker 1>guys covered it at one point. I didn't give myself

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<v Speaker 1>enough time to get my hands on a physical copy,

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<v Speaker 1>so I streamed it on Prime. But even though it

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<v Speaker 1>was good quality, I could only pull up the non

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<v Speaker 1>Rift Tracks version at first, and I had to go

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<v Speaker 1>on the app on my phone to find the unriffed version,

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<v Speaker 1>added it to my list, and then was able to

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<v Speaker 1>pull it up in the big screen. I will also

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<v Speaker 1>point out that the version I watched is is the

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<v Speaker 1>English dub like the old Kay Gordon Murray English dub.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one scene that's completely in Spanish with no subtitles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, if we watched the same version, I had

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same search problems as you like. Search often

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't bring it up. I had to get it like

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<v Speaker 2>in my library on one device before I could actually

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<v Speaker 2>view it on another one. So yeah, same issue. And also, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the scene in Spanish in the middle of the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the scene where the characters are like reading newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>articles about the brain murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Luckily the context is pretty much implied. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to speak Spanish or have a translation to know

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<v Speaker 1>basically what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe they were just trying to cut costs on

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<v Speaker 2>the dub, you know, the scenes that are just a

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<v Speaker 2>recap of what you've already seen anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and or if you see enough of movies like this,

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<v Speaker 1>you essentially know what's going on. All right. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into the people behind this film. The director is Chano Iwerta,

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<v Speaker 1>who lived nineteen oh five through nineteen seventy nine. Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>film director, producer, screenwriter, and actor active behind the camera

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen twenty eight through nineteen seventy four. So while

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<v Speaker 1>certainly active during the golden age of Mexican cinema, which

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<v Speaker 1>is roughly thirty six through fifty six, his career expands

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<v Speaker 1>beyond it in both temporal directions. Among his most well

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<v Speaker 1>regarded films or nineteen fifties Legotta di Sangria, fifty two's

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<v Speaker 1>Labestia Magnifica, and fifty seven's El Raton. His genre films

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<v Speaker 1>include nineteen fifty four As the Witch, nineteen sixties The

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<v Speaker 1>Witch's Mirror, sixty three is the Living Head, That's a

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<v Speaker 1>Living Severed Head film, and several Blue Demon Luca movies,

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<v Speaker 1>beginning with nineteen sixty five's Blue Demon and also including

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Demon Versus The Satanic Power from sixty six that

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<v Speaker 1>one co starred El Santo, and then there are two

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight films, Blue Demon Versus The Diabolical Women and

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Demon Versus The Infernal Brains.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've gone looking for a couple of these

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<v Speaker 2>in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>He also acted again, especially later in life. His credits

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<v Speaker 1>on this front include two Sam Peckinpah films, The Wild

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<v Speaker 1>Bunch from sixty nine and Bring Me the Head of

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo Garcia from seventy four. All Right, in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the script and the story, here we have Fredrico Kiel,

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<v Speaker 1>who lived nineteen seventeen through nineteen eighty five. Adaptation story

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<v Speaker 1>credit here Mexican writer who also directed in the early sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>kicking things off with the first Neutron movie in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty that we referenced this in one of our recent

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<v Speaker 1>episodes because this starred Wolf Ruvinsky's and co starred Claudio Brook. No.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Wolf Rovinski's was one of the bad guys, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Martians in Santo Versus the Martian Invasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a luchador turned actor, but not a mass lucidor

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<v Speaker 1>too handsome for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, so he played kind of like Kirk Douglas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So there's another Neutron film in sixty three, and

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<v Speaker 1>career also wrote and directed several Santo and Blue Demon films,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as some Nostra Damis films and vampire films.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also acted and is in fact one of the

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<v Speaker 1>detectives in this film. He was also a cartoonist. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>which of the detectives is he? Is he the comic

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<v Speaker 1>relief one or the serious one? I am not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I've will had a note getting it. When we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the cast here, I found some contradictions on the

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<v Speaker 1>cast lists between two of the major movie databases, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>concerning the actresses. I think I got it straightened out,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also led to me not going as in

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<v Speaker 1>depth on the supporting cast here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The other adaptation story credit goes to Aldolfo Lopez Portillo

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<v Speaker 1>dates unknown, credited on several films from the sixty seventies

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<v Speaker 1>and eighties, mostly westerns, but also including sixties. There's The

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<v Speaker 1>Living Head. And then, according to IMDb, Antonio Arelana nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three through twenty eighteen, uncredited writer on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican writer, actor and occasional director. He wrote on several

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<v Speaker 1>Santo films, including sixty two Santo Versus The Vampire Women.

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<v Speaker 1>I also have to single out a title from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one called El Ninja Mexicano, and that has Germain,

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<v Speaker 1>Roeblis and Roberto Canito. One name that's going to come

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<v Speaker 1>up in a minute, and another name we've referenced in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple episodes on Mexican films. Okay, all right, but the

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<v Speaker 1>star of this picture the Baron of Terror himself, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the brainiac playing Baron Vastilius Destera and also

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<v Speaker 1>the producer of the picture. We have Abel Salazar, who

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<v Speaker 1>lived nineteen seventeen through nineteen ninety five. He also directed

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen pictures. He played vampire hunter doctor Enriquez in fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven's The Vampire and also in fifty eight's The Vampire's Coffin.

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<v Speaker 1>He also acts in two well regarded old school Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>horror films, fifty nine's Black Pit of Doctor m and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three's Curse of the Crying Woman. He's also in

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<v Speaker 1>The Living Head and nineteen fifty nine's The Man and

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<v Speaker 1>the Monster. He produced several of those as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The Living Head keeps coming up. Maybe this is a

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<v Speaker 2>sign that we need to go to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Next Yeah, yeah, the posters look cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also seen a lot of references to the Curse

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<v Speaker 2>of the Crying Woman. Is the Urona movie? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually I just looked it up. The Malediction de la Youurona.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is not a film I've seen, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with it just by reputation. It shows up in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of lists of films that I've considered checking out.

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy really kept reminding me of somebody. He's

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<v Speaker 2>great in the film. He's got a lot of scenes

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<v Speaker 2>where he actually just doesn't say anything, like other characters

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<v Speaker 2>are talking at him and he is sitting there silently,

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<v Speaker 2>either staring at them menacingly or just king and laughing

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, scoffing at whatever they're throwing in his face.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he does a lot of that. But also

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<v Speaker 2>he's got some some some swagger when he talks. But

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<v Speaker 2>the face he makes, especially when he kind of looks

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical with one raised eyebrow, he was really really reminding

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<v Speaker 2>me of Garrett Graham as Beef in The Phantom of

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<v Speaker 2>the Paradise. Do you see the comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I can see some Garrett Graham there. I

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<v Speaker 1>also kept thinking of the actor, contemporary actor Patrick Fischler,

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<v Speaker 1>who's in like Mulholland Drive and a ton of other things.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that too, but with more swaggering charisma.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also disdain, just judgment, looking at people who

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<v Speaker 2>he who are who are lesser than him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, so we'll talk more about this performance.

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<v Speaker 1>On the good guy side of things. We have again

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<v Speaker 1>Rubin Rojo playing a role. Again. This is a this

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<v Speaker 1>is there's a revenge element to this, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>revenge across time, which we sometimes see with undead Warlock pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the past he plays Ronaldo Miranda and in

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<v Speaker 1>the present he plays Marcos Miranda or any other way around.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Marcos is the one in the seventeenth century, the

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<v Speaker 2>modern one. They say Rinaldo online. I don't remember if

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<v Speaker 2>they ever say that in the movie. In the movie

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<v Speaker 2>they call him Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, dub at least that's the thing about the dove

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<v Speaker 1>they do. They do streamline some things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the dub he's Ronnie and Victoria Contreras is Vicky.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well. Rojo lived nineteen twenty two through nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>three Mexican actor, perhaps best known for his award winning

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<v Speaker 1>supporting role in nineteen forty eight Soldad. He also played

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew in the nineteen sixty one American Bible epic King

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<v Speaker 1>of Kings, which I think mostly it had a large

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<v Speaker 1>American cast, but also made use of multiple Mexican actors

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Rip Torn plays Judas in That By the Way.

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<v Speaker 1>Rojo's other credits include fifty six is Alexander the Great,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three Santo in the Wax Museum, seventy nine's The

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<v Speaker 1>Whip Versus Satan, and nineteen sixty nine's Romero starring Roald Julia.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we haven't seen the last of him.

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<v Speaker 2>No offense to to Ruben, but he's not really the

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<v Speaker 2>highlight of this film. He is there to just be

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<v Speaker 2>the good guy. He doesn't have a whole lot to

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<v Speaker 2>do often.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the kind of ghosts for most of the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the cast. Really, I mean everyone is this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fulfilling a basic role and you know, doing

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<v Speaker 1>a good job within those roles. But yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>about our villain and our monster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Brainiac's world. We're just in it, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. We have Vicky as you referenced earlier, or Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>Contrena's contreras. This is our leading lady. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the situations where I found some confusing casting information

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<v Speaker 1>between the databases, but I believe I have it correct here.

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<v Speaker 1>Played by Rosa Marie Gallardo. Her other films include sixty

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<v Speaker 1>one's Mark of the dead Man, sixty five's Creature of

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<v Speaker 1>the Walking Dead, sixty fives she Wolves of the Ring.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a luchadora movie. In nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby Okay, so she is usually going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the same scenes as Ruben Rojo. Again, they're mostly they're

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<v Speaker 2>the good characters, but they're mostly just reactive. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>young people who are studying astronomy and they're just sucked

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<v Speaker 2>into the world of the Baron of Terror, and they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hang around in that world until finally he

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<v Speaker 2>tries to suck their brains out, and fortunately they're saved

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<v Speaker 2>at the last minute.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right now. One of the victims is noteworthy, at

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<v Speaker 1>least one of the victims credited just as bar Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>She is the you'll know when we come to this scene.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a lady hanging out at the bar that

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<v Speaker 1>the baron ends up killing and brain gobbling. Played by

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<v Speaker 1>Erodny Welter. She lived nineteen thirty through nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican actress with a ton of Golden age credits. She

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Lewis Bunnell film The Criminal Life of

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<v Speaker 1>Archibaldo de la Cruz from fifty five, but she pops

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<v Speaker 1>up in various horror films. She's in the Lucidora film

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<v Speaker 1>The Panther Women from sixty seven. Her other credits include

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<v Speaker 1>El Gampiro sixty one's The Devil's Hand and The Vampire's Coffin.

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<v Speaker 2>She has a good scene in fact, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>ones I was just talking about in a minute ago,

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<v Speaker 2>where people talk at the baron and he doesn't say

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<v Speaker 2>anything back to them. She's drunk at a bar and

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<v Speaker 2>is I guess, falling in love with him while he

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<v Speaker 2>just stands there staring at some place like behind her head,

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<v Speaker 2>over her shoulder, and then suddenly he brainiacts out, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll describe what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, but yeah, she gets a great scream in, that's

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a brainiac process. He goes into processing mode.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. The lead detective, the Commandant, is played by

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<v Speaker 1>David Silva, who lived nineteen seventeen through nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty standard performance here, but he was an opera singer

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<v Speaker 1>and actor with some great connections, connections to some shining

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<v Speaker 1>gems of Mexican weird cinema. He pops up in The

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<v Speaker 1>Batwoman from sixty eight, which we previously referenced.

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<v Speaker 2>Really fun flick starring one of the Martians from zetto

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<v Speaker 2>in Yes, the Martian Invasion. Yeah, yeah, it's little Lichadora

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<v Speaker 2>film with fish people in it. But Silva also appears

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<v Speaker 2>in both Alejandro Jodowski's Al Topo from seventy and Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain from seventy three. I don't recall him in that,

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<v Speaker 2>but that would make sense. He feels like he's from

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<v Speaker 2>a different world than most of the cast. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the serious one, right, not the comic relief cop. The

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<v Speaker 2>comic relief cop is Benny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the serious one. I'm pretty sure. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also in a pair of weird films from Juan Lopez Montezuma,

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<v Speaker 1>The Mention of Madness from seventy one and Alokarda from

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven. They are both those both star Claudio Brook.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not seen Alacarta yet. It's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty terrific. I've seen The Mansion of Madness and it

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<v Speaker 1>is super weird as well. I would say almost Holy

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<v Speaker 1>mountain Es, well, not Holy mountain esk its. Holy Mountain

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of on its own level, but let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it has a lot of surreal elements. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>film in which the inmates run an asylum, and the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the of the asylum folk is played by

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<v Speaker 1>Claudio Brook in a very spirited performance.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a recipe for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, now, just a few other characters. There's

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<v Speaker 1>another double role here, someone who is an inquisitor in

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<v Speaker 1>the past and is a victim in the present. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that gets to make some really crazy eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Played by Germain Roeblis Live nineteen twenty nine through twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican actor in horror movie legend in his own right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Vampiro movies that I mentioned, well, he plays Count

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<v Speaker 1>Caro di luvade Le Lavoud in those. He plays Nostradamus

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nostradamus films, which I don't know much about,

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<v Speaker 1>but it looks like they center around an evil Nostradamus,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's in the Living Head as well. Also pops

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<v Speaker 1>up in the Jess Franco film from seventy one, She

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<v Speaker 1>Killed in Ecstasy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the guy who plays in his modern of course,

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of the inquisitors, as you said, but in

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<v Speaker 2>his modern form he is the professor. He's a professor

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<v Speaker 2>of history, and he gets to invite the baron over

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<v Speaker 2>to his house to meet his beautiful daughter and then

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the history of the Inquisition. What do you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just his area of specialty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to go well. And one, I'll say

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of others here. This film was not directed

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<v Speaker 1>by Renee Cardona, but just because he didn't direct it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean he can't show up anyway. He also plays

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<v Speaker 1>one of the inquisitors, slashed like doomed aristocrats that is

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately killed by the baron.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like the head inquisitor. And then in the modern

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<v Speaker 2>day he's the guy who's an industrialist coming up with

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<v Speaker 2>new metal alloys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let me show you my alloys in the basement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you want to see my alloys?

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<v Speaker 1>Bro. And then there's there's one more one of the

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<v Speaker 1>let's say. Senora Mensis is played by Ophilia Gomin. She

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<v Speaker 1>lived nineteen twenty one through two thousand and five, Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>actress whose other films include sixty two Is the Exterminating

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<v Speaker 1>Angel and The Man in the Monster. Now. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Kay Gordon Murray earlier, who lived nineteen twenty two through

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine, producer and distributor of the English dub

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<v Speaker 1>of this film. Murray is a familiar name here because

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<v Speaker 1>he was responsible for the US theatrical distribution of several

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<v Speaker 1>different Mexican films back in the day, including fifty nine

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Claus and sixty three's Doctor of Doom. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's maybe his voice is the inquisitor during the opening sequence.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting, I was gonna say, it's very similar. The

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<v Speaker 2>so we get some narra in the prologue of the film,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll talk about this in a bit, but it

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<v Speaker 2>felt familiar. It felt like the narrator from Santa Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, like it would be. The voice should be saying, Lupita,

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<v Speaker 1>do not sentence the baron to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally, the composer on this picture is Gustavo

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<v Speaker 1>Caesar Carrion, who lived nineteen sixteen through nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican film composer who worked on a number of horror films,

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<v Speaker 1>including several of the titles we already mentioned, The Witch

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<v Speaker 1>Is Mirror, El Vampiro, Curse of the Crying Woman, and more. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy recently came up on my radar because I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading a twenty twenty four interview with jess Oborn

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<v Speaker 1>of Electric Wizard in Psychedelic Baby magazine, and they're asking

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<v Speaker 1>him a lot of questions about, you know, old horror

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<v Speaker 1>movies as these as they tend to and he said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really into the music from Mexican horror films. It

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<v Speaker 1>has a strange mix of sinister orchestral music with primitive

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<v Speaker 1>electronic noise like Gustava Caesar, carry on. It's really cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to say I think that largely pans

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<v Speaker 1>out at least early on in the film. The music

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly very sinister and orchestral, very dramatic. But then

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<v Speaker 1>when the sci fi elements start bleeding into the picture,

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<v Speaker 1>we do get some electronic elements, like a little dash

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<v Speaker 1>of space music here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I can see how that's also a change

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<v Speaker 2>from the kind of core of that band's musical musical

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<v Speaker 2>movie kind of crossover space, which I would say is

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<v Speaker 2>something like The Witchfinder General.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Having said, I am curious to check out

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<v Speaker 1>some of his scores for these other films of note,

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<v Speaker 1>like Curse of the Crying Woman. I wonder if if

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<v Speaker 1>those have any of these electronic elements, or if this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a case where's he's scoring this film and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, a comet shows up astronomy factors into

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<v Speaker 1>the picture, so we need to add some sci fi noises.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if those are present in these other pictures

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<v Speaker 1>or not. So I would say, for myn a more

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<v Speaker 1>memorable score than a lot of the Mexican genre films

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>from this period have been in that we viewed for

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Weird House Cinema. Well, they're not counting Santa Claus. Santa

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Claus has very memorable music, but in a different way.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a really great ending of this film would

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<v Speaker 2>have been if instead of death for the baron, he

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<v Speaker 2>just became Santa Claus. Did you see that transition? It

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 2>would make sense Santa Brainiac. Yeah, I think it would work.

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Someone should do it. He sees you when you're sleeping,

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>he knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been

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<v Speaker 2>bad or good. I mean Brainiac would know.

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you need to leave a bowl of brains out

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>for him in a little spin.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you ready to talk about the plot.

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the credits play over some very nice Goyademonia illustrations.

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>We've got some kind of winged imp with a lion

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>head sprouting out of his crotch, who appears to be

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>swooping around in the air or terrorizing the peasantry. There's

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>also imagery of the tortures of the damned. We get

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 2>penitents writhing in agony and these naked wretches fusing into trees.

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's a bit of Dante stuff going

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 2>on here. Also, there's a really good one under at

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 2>one point in the credits of two Witches. So of

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>these witches cruising on a broom, two on one broom,

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>and then an owl in the background looking at them

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 2>like you're overloading that broom, and then the title, of

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>course appears. It's not Brainiac in the original. The original

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 2>title is El Baron del Terror, The Baron of Terror.

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>But plenty of sick six sketches with the credits, also

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>witches with melting mask faces, a lady with breasts on

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>her back, more gargoyles, feathers and talons in places they

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be, and predator head groins. Now, when we come

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 2>to the action, we're told it is the year sixteen

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 2>sixty one in a bleeding type face. I like the

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 2>what do you call it, the kind of glowing white,

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>bleeding type script that appears in this because it's also

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of italic. So it's like swooping away from the camera. Yes,

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 2>And we're in a hall under great stone arches and

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 2>a hanging crucifix, and there's a chair in the middle

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.959
<v Speaker 2>of the room in which sits a man in shackles

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and leg irons, the kind of the ball and chain

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>that drags behind you. This we will learn is Baron

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Vitellius Desterra. He is surrounded by frightening figures covered crowned

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>ankle and black cloaks and hoods with their faces hidden

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>behind masks. So these are the Inquisitors. And then begins

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>this monologue from a booming, reverberating voice, which again reminds

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>me of the narrator in Santa Claus. It's like, you

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>take that, but you replace the Christmas chair with pontifical menace.

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>And the voice says lou Pita, No, says we the

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<v Speaker 2>grand Inquisitors, protector of the faith against heretic sins of

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>apostasy in the city of Mexico, and all the states

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>and dominions in the Province of New Spain and its

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>vice royalties in governing bodies through royal audiences in all

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the cities and states, do proclaim that the other inquisitors

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>and I have attended this hearing in the secret Chamber

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>of the Holy Tribunal of the Inquisition in Mexico to

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>do justice in the trial that has been initiated against

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 2>the aforementioned Baron Vitellius of Astera of unknown origin, who

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>has repeatedly refused to state same, aware of the edicts

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>and merits of this trial and the evidence and suspicion

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>resulting thereof. And my lord, this is like a real legal,

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>legal kind of contract language reading of the fine print quality,

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like c Span for the Inquisition.

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Here, and it will go on and on. There is

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>a Macaw absurdity to the sheer volume of text we

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>get in these verdicts and proclamations. In the opening scene here,

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>there are even moments where it feels like the voiceover

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>artist is like reading fast to try to get through

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>it all. And originally I was torn on whether to

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>like actually read everything from the scene, because I did

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>transcribe it or just summarize. I think I'm just going

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>to summarize, starting at one point because it's too much

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to read. But by the way, I do just want

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to say before I go on, I love the posture

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>of the inquisitors because it's almost a superhero pose. You

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>get multiple of them standing there in the black cloaks

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>with like their you know, facing forward, feet at shoulder width,

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>and then the arms folded. What do you call that?

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're on their hips, the hands on the hips.

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, very judgmental.

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 2>So this part I will read. The prosecutor comes in

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 2>and he reads from a scroll and it says the

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>following report on the sentence and the trial by torment,

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 2>that this Tribunal of the Holy Inquisition instituted against said

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Baron Vitelius for heresy and the instigation of heresy for

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>practicing dogmatism. And I was like, huh, and that what

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 2>they're doing. But like, even with that line for practicing dogmatism,

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>even the voice actor sounds a little confused, like he

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.239
<v Speaker 2>just stops for a second as if to check and

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>make sure that's really what the script said.

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, does that mean magnetism with dogs?

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, no, so there's kind of a pause. He's like,

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>for practicing dogmatism, and then he goes on for having

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 2>used witchcraft, superstitions and conjurations for depraved and dishonest ends,

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>for having employed the art of necromancy, invoking the dead

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.959
<v Speaker 2>and trying to foretell the future through the use of corpses,

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>which I think that's the same thing as necromancy. And

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>then there's a long pause and he says for having

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 2>seduced married women and maidens. And here we cut to

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Vitellius and he gives a big old smile. Well, yeah,

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So to summarize what follows, Vitelius gets sentenced to torture

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and told that if he should be maimed or have

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 2>blood drawn or die during the torture, that's going to

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>be divine proof of his guilt. Then they read he

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't say this. They read out that they previously sentenced

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>him to torture, and he told them that he welcomed

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>as much torture as they were, you know, as much

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 2>as they could give him. He was like, bring it on.

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>And then they describe all the tortures they did on him.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like they did some form of strepato as

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>well as stretching on the rack quote, and with his

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>arms and legs almost torn from his body, he continued

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 2>to make jest of our holy authority, which doesn't make

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>you sound cool when you say that. It makes the

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>inquisitors sound like the loser. But they decide he needs

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.959
<v Speaker 2>more punishment, has not had enough yet. But before they

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>get to that punishment, there is a twist because, as

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the person presiding over this trial says, and now, as

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>if our justice had not been sufficiently ridiculed, a witness

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 2>has come before this tribunal to defend the accused. This

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 2>is the epitome of all brazen defiance. Lord inquisitors, now

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>tell me, are we going to stand for it? But

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>then they just bring the witness in anyway, and it's

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Ruben Rojo, who's going to play another character later on,

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>but he comes in as the character Marcos Miranda. He's

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>a guy dressed in a black doublet and a puffy

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 2>caller who is here to vouch for Baron Vitellius's character.

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Now here's where things I think get kind of interesting,

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>because up until this point I hadn't really thought about

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:50.239
<v Speaker 2>whether the Inquisition's accusations were supposed to be true or not.

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>But this guy comes in and says, no, no, no,

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the baron is a good guy. He says that, he

0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 2>says that the baron has helped the downtrodden people in

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>this new land of Mexico, and that he has dedicated

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>himself to the promotion of the fine arts and sciences.

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>And I was just thinking, oh, yeah, I'm sure these

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 2>hooded inquisitors are greatly put at ease by that love

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.839
<v Speaker 2>it when you help the downtrodden and promote the arts

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and sciences. That's what they're into.

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>And to be clear, like, there's no reason this guy

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>would We're given no reason to believe he would be

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>lying here, Like he seems like a you know, a

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>complete babyface. He's like, yeah, he's I knew him back

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>in Europe, and he's yeah, he's he's a good guy.

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>He seems like he's, uh, he's really tried to help people.

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But then so immediately from the end of the testimony,

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>without a moment's pause, the head inquisitor says, Marcos Miranda,

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.439
<v Speaker 2>the force that you have tried to perpetrate has earned

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you the punishment of two hundred lashes. What Yeah, which

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 2>she'll be applied immediately in the torture chamber.

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah. And so then he's just taken off to

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>be whipped, and the trial two hundred lashes.

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think that is a death sentence. And

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>before he's led away, Miranda and Vitellius make brief eye contact,

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 2>but they never talk to each other, so we don't

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>know anything about their relationship. So the inquisitors very briefly

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 2>compare notes and then render a guilty verdict. But didn't

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 2>they already I thought that was part of the proclamation.

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>It was already like he's guilty. But they do it again,

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and they sentence him quote to be dressed in the

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>clothing of shame, bearing symbols of fire. He will undergo

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>personal debasement before the people, All his lands and his

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 2>possessions will be confiscated, and finally he will be burned

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to death in an open field. So, okay, things are

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 2>not looking good for the baron. But then ooh, there's

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 2>an interesting twist. Vittelius, who has not really said anything yet,

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 2>hits them with some sublime truculence. He says, if my

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 2>body is to be burned, it will be without chains. Yeah,

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 2>and then he uses sorcery to make the chas on

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>his legs disappear and reappear around the legs of his captors.

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 2>So he like stands up to walk out of the room,

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and the captors awkwardly hobble after him, dragging the iron balls.

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty cool. I mean, we're overthinking it. We might

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>wonder why he hasn't used these powers to escape already,

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you know he's using it to dramatic effect

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>here at any rate.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it does kind of suggest that if he

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 2>were so inclined, he would be able to magically escape

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>his punishment altogether, but he chooses not to. It's implying

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>that the baron is willingly facing this unjust sentence. He's

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 2>willingly going out to be burned at the stake. And

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>when I realized that, I started noticing a number of

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>parallels here. This might sound crazy, but are the filmmakers

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to tap into some kind of parallel between Baron

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Vitelius and Jesus at his trial before Pilot. We can

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 2>think about all this, okay, think about the similar these

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 2>in the stories he helps the downtrodden, he is accused

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 2>of sorcery and immorality by the religious leaders of his time.

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 2>He faces an unfair trial, faces torture, and then cruel execution,

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 2>during which he is dressed in garments of mockery. So

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I think a crown of thorns versus the clothing of

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>shame that they just talked about. And then to get

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 2>to what we know is coming in the movie, these

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>characters will die and then later rise again to render judgment.

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of a shocking number of similarities here.

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 2>But then I don't know exactly how it would connect

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the passion of Christ to the fact that this guy

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>has tube fingers and eats people's brains.

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that may be separate from this, but yeah, I

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>think these are strong points. I mean, this wouldn't be

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the only example we can look to where a Spanish

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>filmmaker has incorporated some elements of Catholicism, be they thematic

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 1>or visual, into some sort of a horror picture.

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 2>So at this point in the story, what are you thinking, Rob,

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Are you thinking that the baron is actually he's what

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 2>his friend said here, that he's actually somebody who is

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>a nice guy who's trying to help the downtrodden and

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>is mostly just doing things to help people and is

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>being unjustly accused by the Inquisition or is he actually

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 2>a wicked warlock and sorcerer who is manipulating people and

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 2>so forth. I mean, the strange parallels to Jesus would

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 2>imply that the filmmakers had the former in mind, but

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 2>that also doesn't really square very well with the rest

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>of what happens in the movie.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't give us anything to build upon this

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>idea that he may have any decency to him, you know,

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of a missed opportunity. Or I don't know,

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe they weren't permitted to go there, But that would

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 1>have been rather interesting if we hit later on, when

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>we see his return in the nineteen sixties, if we

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>see him at least in small all moments reaching out

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to the poor and helping the downtroten instead of just

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>just making social calls and getting seeking revenge and eating brains.

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyway, the staging of the execution is pretty cool.

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's an indoor for outdoor shot sets with creepy

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>crooked trees, this big crowd of onlookers in the night.

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.800
<v Speaker 2>They're all huddled together behind hooded inquisitors carrying luminous torches,

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 2>each one putting off this huge tower of flame, and

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>they have Vitelius dressed up in mockery as some kind

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 2>of anti pope in a pointed hat.

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, all the all the hallmarks of of a

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>classic cinematic witch burning here, you know, vengeful Christianity in

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>its most base and dark form, the withered trees kind of,

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, matching up with this idea that here is

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>just a fruitless, decadent, degregated faith before us.

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 2>There are bunch of movies I can think of from

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the sixties and seventies that have this as their prologue,

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 2>like somebody gets executed by the Inquisition and it looks

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 2>soften like this. I'm thinking of Mario Bava's Black Sunday. Yeah, yeah,

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 2>and of course horror rises from the two. Well it's

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 2>time to burn in then, that's right. Well, so he's

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 2>at the stake and Vitellius makes eye contact with Marcos

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Miranda in the crowd. I guess Miranda already got the

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 2>two hundred lashes and now he's just out there watching.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess he has to watch.

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we hear chatter from some people in the crowd,

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 2>so like, there's one guy who's standing there with some

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>ladies next to him, and he says to one of

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the ladies that fiend will pay dearly for all his

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 2>sins now for what he did to you. But the

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>lady doesn't say anything, so I don't know what she

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 2>thinks about it. We also see a couple of older

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 2>ladies apparently filled with glee. They're just excited to see

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 2>this witch burning, and they're gossiping about how quote the

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Viceroy's baby is in tears because they're burning her boy friend.

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 2>But then the other one says, be quiet or they'll

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.720
<v Speaker 2>burn you too, so climb it of fear, I guess.

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 2>But then they go on to burn the baron and

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>we get some great dramatic music here. It's it feels

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>very similar to Night on Bald Mountain, like with the fluttering,

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>bat wing kind of violins, and Vitelius is a pretty

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 2>darn calm while getting burned at the stake. For the

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.240
<v Speaker 2>first half of the cook he mostly keeps a straight

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>face but occasionally looks amused. Then suddenly on the score

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 2>there is a familiar musico dramatic cliche that I'm not

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 2>sure I've ever given much thought to before I would

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>call it something like the sound of magic. You probably

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 2>recognize what I'm talking about, rob It's often done on

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the harp with a kind of rolling glissando up and

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>down the scale on the harp that lets you know

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 2>that we're often that we're entering a dream world, or

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 2>that a magical train information is taking place here. It

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.839
<v Speaker 2>doesn't sound like a harp. I think it's some kind

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 2>of mallet instrument, like a marimba. It's kind of a

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 2>soft mallet sound. But now I'm curious, people listening with

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>musical knowledge, is there a name for this convention like

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>the dreamy rolling glissando that lets us know that something

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 2>magical is taking place?

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, magical or surreal, dream like and so forth. Yeah,

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>it's certainly a common musical cue anyway.

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 2>What it corresponds to here is that the baron suddenly

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 2>looks up in the night sky and happens to see

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>a comet from our point of view, a very blurry comet.

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 2>This is not the best special effects in this part,

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>because it looks more like a dead bug on a

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 2>car windshield that got smeared by the wiper blades. Yeah,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>we've seen some better space effects in movies from this period.

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 2>But Marcus Miranda, the Baron's character witness, sees the comet too.

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Does this mean something like? What's his role here? And

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>again doesn't seem at all in pain or bothered by

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the two hundred lashes? And so they both see the

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>comet and there's kind of an exchange like what does

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>it mean? Something's happening? And then comes the I Curse

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>You sequence, in which the Baron changes his He shifts

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 2>his attention from the comet to one by one, each

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 2>of the four primary inquisitors, So, looking between them, he

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 2>uses his powers of sorcery to see through their masks

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and to learn their true identities. And then he promises

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that he will return in three hundred years, riding upon

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the comet above to punish their descendants. And the enemies

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 2>are in order. Baltasar of Menaces, who is wearing a

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:51.280
<v Speaker 2>hilarious puffy barrister wig. I think this is Renee Cardona.

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>There's Alvaro Contreras who looks like a cool dude. Actually

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>he looks like he could. He kind of has a

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 2>biker look, okay. Sebastian of Pinoa, who's kind of weasily

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>looking guy with a goatee and another big white wig.

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>This guy gives a nasty little smile. This is the

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>guy who's a descendant will be the professor. And then

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Helendo of Vivar who no wig, no smile, don't don't

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.840
<v Speaker 2>remember a lot about this guy. And you know, the

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Baron promises. He says, I shall exponge your foul lineage

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 2>from this earth. So here we get. Suddenly some years

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>flash up on the screen and so it says sixteen

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 2>sixty one, that's where we are. Then it says seventeen

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>sixty one, and I was like, oh, is it going

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>to show us this same place at each of those years,

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Like we'll see it across the different centuries time machine style.

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 2>But no, for some reason, it just counts each century

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 2>on the screen with the number and doesn't change anything.

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 2>It shows us seventeen sixty one, eighteen sixty one, nineteen

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 2>sixty one aka modern day. That's right. So we arrive

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 2>in modern Mexico nineteen sixty one at a hip Nike

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 2>club with couples out dancing to soft jazz music. And

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 2>here we're going to meet our main characters in the

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 2>modern day. Who wouldn't you know, it are both descendants

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>of characters from the violent prologue. We get Victoria Contreras Vicky,

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>who is descended from one of the inquisitors, and Ronnie Miranda,

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 2>descended from the baron's friend or character witness, who we

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 2>never really learned anything about, so as we will find

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 2>out the two. These two are both young astronomers, but

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>they're also an item. So they're dancing to the music

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 2>in a close embrace, and they're so entranced by each

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 2>other's company that they almost forget they have a date

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 2>at the observatory, so they notice the time, and then

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>they kind of rush out of the place. They explain

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>to some friends that they've got to go leave the

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>club to meet their mentor, Professor Milan, who is helping

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>them search for what Ronnie calls a real star tonight

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 2>because the weather is very clear, So they go to

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the observatory, where the professor begins quizzing them on comets

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:03.720
<v Speaker 2>with the patronizing tone. I'm gonna say, on one hand,

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:08.240
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the presence of the astronomy and the observatory

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>plot line in the movie because I like the themes

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of sort of crossing the streams of fantasy and science

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>fiction in horror that it brings in, So I like

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 2>what it does for the atmosphere of the film. On

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the other hand, I have to say that the observatory

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>scenes are by far the most boring thing in the movie.

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.879
<v Speaker 2>Every time we go back to Professor Milan, I am

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 2>not excited. Usually he's going to spend most of the

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 2>movie just opening letters from people who do not confirm

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>that they saw the same comment as him, and just

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>acting forlorn about that.

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:43.720
<v Speaker 1>It kind of comes back to something we said in

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a recent episode of Weird House Cinema, a film like this,

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you need various middle aged experts that you go to

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>to get just additional tidbits on what you may or

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:54.720
<v Speaker 1>may not be facing in your monster.

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this setting and the character they kind of

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>indirectly infuse the plot with some nice scientific energy, but

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>at the same time that it doesn't make for great

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 2>moments on screen generally, Like when the two younger characters

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 2>first arrived there with Professor Malan, he just starts quizzing

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 2>them about comments. He's like, how many miles you know?

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>How many miles close does the Halle? Does Halle's comment

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>come to the earth? And you know, the guy says,

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh, good job, you know, you know,

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 2>your comment trivia. But also he's treating them like kids,

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:33.320
<v Speaker 2>but they're adults and they're also supposed to be astronomers themselves.

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he's talking to them like their high school

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:36.720
<v Speaker 1>students or something.

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Professor's on the hunt tonight. He's got a big

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 2>stack of decaying cottices on his desk that he shows them.

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 2>He explains he's been looking through them, and they all

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.439
<v Speaker 2>tell of a comet that appeared three hundred years ago

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in sixteen sixty one, and based on Professor Milan's calculations,

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 2>the comet should appear again tonight at two thirty six

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 2>am local time, which means right now. So they go

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 2>to look through the telescope. It seems not correctly aligned.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 2>The first thing they see is the Andromeda galaxy, and

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.480
<v Speaker 2>then eventually they're looking around and finally Victoria locates the

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.399
<v Speaker 2>comet while the other two are complaining about not being

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 2>able to find it. We get some dramatic horn stings

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 2>in the soundtrack and the comet. First it looks like

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a comet, then it suddenly turns into a firework. It's

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 2>shooting sparks everywhere, and it crashes down in a field nearby.

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 2>And so we see a local man driving a car.

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 2>He comes to a stop to watch an astonishment as

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 2>the as the comet comes down, and the way it

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.800
<v Speaker 2>falls is pretty funny. It's a big paper mache boulder

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 2>with jagged edges, and it just falls straight down and

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 2>hits the ground like a sack of flower. But then

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 2>something you might not expect happens. Slowly, the comet itself dematerializes,

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>leaving in its place a being a beast of unspeakable horror. Uh,

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 2>this is the part where we're going to have to

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 2>describe what the titular brainiac looks like. So rob, let

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 2>me know if I leave out any important details, but

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to I'm gonna try to run down.

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>A list, all right, Here we go.

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 2>So the brainiac is bipedal size of a tall man

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 2>with a loose fitting rubber mask of a goblinoid character.

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.760
<v Speaker 2>And I have to emphasize loose fitting on the mask.

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.799
<v Speaker 2>This is not a this is not a tightly organized

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 2>monster makeup face. Like the mask is dangling and jiggling

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 2>off of the head.

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But also pulsating which I really like. Yes, and I

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>would say in addition to goblin esque, it also has

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>certain satanic elements to it. Like it feels, you know,

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a you know, a classic illustration of

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a death.

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a goblin baphomet so like

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:09.240
<v Speaker 2>long pointy ears drooping at the tips, a long, sharp

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>beak like nose, shaggy black hair and beard, and it's

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of patchy, doesn't look healthy, but it is. Also

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of it, a lot of hair, deep hollow,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.720
<v Speaker 2>empty eyes that are just sagging, like it's not tight

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>around the eyes of the actor underneath. Instead you just

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 2>see that there are spaces behind the eye holes. And

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 2>then at the mouth there are two narrow fangs like

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 2>those of a venomous snake, protruding from the upper jaw.

0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 2>The mouth is often hanging open, and then out of

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the mouth extends a foot long, floppy, forked rubber tongue,

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>again like that of a snake, except usually not flicking

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 2>in and out of the mouth to taste the air

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>like a snake's tongue. It's just hanging there, just jiggling

0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>when the guy moves.

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ye, there are elements of this creature that also

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>remind me a bit of crampus, you know, yes, yeah,

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>for sure, the lolling tongue, though in this case again

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:07.959
<v Speaker 1>it is forked and that'll be key.

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 2>So then we got to go down to the hands.

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Each hand is a sort of flesh clamp with exactly

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 2>two fingers per hand that can close together in a

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:25.680
<v Speaker 2>pincer motion. These fingers are, as we see, not solid

0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:30.800
<v Speaker 2>but hollow. They are some kind of flaccid tube fingers,

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>so think soft, squishy tube claws.

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they are. They're the most bizarre detail of

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>this creature design. And they're completely mysterious because we have

0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:47.000
<v Speaker 1>no idea what if anything they're doing, Like does he

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>breathe through those holes the ends of the fingers, are

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:52.400
<v Speaker 1>they indeed finger I mean, he does use them to

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>grasp and to grab, but are those indeed apertures for

0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, anything he doesn't see. He doesn't feed with them.

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're for drinking water. Maybe he hears through them.

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But he also has ears on his head.

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>So many questions all unanswered.

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Do liquids come in or go out through the tips

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of those fingers?

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Or what goes in? And now I don't know

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it's but it's you know, it's bizarre and strange, and

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I love it. It's because again, it's just a monster

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 1>design that is really going for it. They just really

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.720
<v Speaker 1>set out to create something here that is unlike anything

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.879
<v Speaker 1>we've seen before. And I don't know that we've seen

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 1>much like this since it's as bizarre as anything that

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:42.320
<v Speaker 1>has been in a monster movie in the subsequent decades

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 2>So when the Brainy act first appears, he's wearing the

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Barren's clothes from sixteen sixty one, but they're very tattered,

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.719
<v Speaker 2>so I guess it's been a rough ride on the comet,

0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 2>assuming that's where he was. I'll have questions about that.

0:52:55.120 --> 0:53:00.760
<v Speaker 2>But he quickly fixes his clothing situation via the terminator method.

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 2>He steals clothes from a chronolocal.

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he kind of like teleports the clothes off of

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy onto himself, but not the underwear because Brainiac

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:11.280
<v Speaker 1>goes commando.

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.799
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. So the Beast advances on the man

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 2>who pulled over to see the comet crash down. He

0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 2>then begins to hypnotize him, and we will see that

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the Brainiac has some of the same powers as Dracula,

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 2>including a hypnotizing glare, which interestingly is signaled on screen

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 2>with the same effect we highlighted in Todd Browning's Dracula

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>last week, where the face is mostly kept in shadow,

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.240
<v Speaker 2>but a focused beam of light falls over the eyes

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 2>that lets you know that the hypnotizing is going on.

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd say it's not quite as like it's perfectly

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>executed in Dracula. Here it feels less perfected, but it's

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>still it's still great.

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.200
<v Speaker 2>But there's also a difference because in Dracula it's a

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 2>static light. This effect is like just a that goes

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:05.280
<v Speaker 2>over Dracula's own face when he's working his evil magic.

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.279
<v Speaker 2>In Brainiac, the light flashes on and off, so it's

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 2>a pulsing light. But also we see the focused light

0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 2>effect on both the monster and sometimes on his victim. Also,

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 2>you alluded to this earlier rob In time with the

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 2>flashing hypnotic light, there is another pulsing effect, which is

0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a rhythmic inflation and deflation of the monster's rubber mask.

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:35.359
<v Speaker 2>So the same way that a sleeping person's chest may

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>rise and fall as they breathe, the Brainiac's face slightly

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.240
<v Speaker 2>balloons and then collapses on a pulse.

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty ambitious for the time. I mean, this kind

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:47.279
<v Speaker 1>of thing would become more of a hallmark later on.

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 1>You and I both recently rewatched Joe Dante's The Howling,

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 1>which makes great use of this kind of like pulsating

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, bladders inside of you monster mask. You know,

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>this is a lot cruder, but it is kind of

0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:02.479
<v Speaker 1>a sign of things to come.

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. One last thing we should know. Brainiac does

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>make noises. They are essentially the growls of a lion

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 2>or a big cat.

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're very effective, though I thought they were quite creepy.

0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 2>So, in an attack pattern that we will see repeated

0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 2>many times, the brainiac approaches his terrified victim, who is

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 2>somewhat hypnotized or frozen in place, grabs him about the

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 2>neck and shoulders with his tube fingers, and then goes

0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 2>around behind the victim and then pokes him in the

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 2>back of the head with his floppy forked reptile tongue.

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And then, as we'll find out, this is how he

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.879
<v Speaker 1>sucks out the brains of his victims, which course, yeah,

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:43.920
<v Speaker 1>which is fabulous. Again, they really went for it, they

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 1>went They took sort of the basic vampire myth, and

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 1>they're like, they said, well, what can we do to

0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 1>make this stranger? What can we do to make this

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 1>more grotesque? And yeah they pulled it off. Now, one

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of the big questions that I end up asking myself

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 1>throughout the rest the picture, is this what we see

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 1>here the brainiac? Is this the Baron's true form, his

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 1>true alien form? Or is this something? Or is this

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 1>his transformed body from having been taken up to the

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 1>comet and been in space aboard a commet for decades

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and then return to Earth.

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.240
<v Speaker 2>This is such a good question. I had the exact

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 2>same thoughts. I actually made a list of questions here

0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:32.440
<v Speaker 2>or ideas. So my question was what is the brainiac

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:34.680
<v Speaker 2>or the baron? What is his nature? And what is

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 2>the source of his power? So to review what we

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 2>know before execution in sixteen sixty one, the Baron had

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>at least some powers of sorcery. Some of these powers

0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 2>we see directly, such as the power to dematerialize and

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:53.360
<v Speaker 2>materialize objects like the chains on his legs, remember that,

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 2>and then also the power to see behind masks. He

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:01.759
<v Speaker 2>is alleged to have other powers by the inquisitors. We

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 2>never see whether that's true or not, but powers like

0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:09.839
<v Speaker 2>necromancy and using some kind of seductive entransment, though that

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 2>could be a parallel of the hypnotism we see later.

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Then he gets burned at the stake with a comet

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:20.080
<v Speaker 2>flying overhead. Then when the comet returns, it lands on

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Earth and transforms into him or releases him. Now he

0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 2>has something we've never seen before, a secondary brain goblin form,

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and can transform back and forth between the humanoid barren

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:36.439
<v Speaker 2>form and the brainiac form at will. Now he can

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 2>also turn invisible, He can hypnotize people, and he can

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 2>do the tongue thing and suck out people's brains. So

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the question is, did something about him change on the

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 2>comet journey or was he always the brainiac? Did he

0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.240
<v Speaker 2>physically ride the comet all that time? In which case,

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>did he encounter something in space or did the return

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 2>of the comet simply resurrect him here? Is it like

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 2>he's been here the comet coming back brought him back.

0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 2>So and also I guess secondary from all this is

0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 2>his power based on fantasy or science fiction.

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we have no idea. These questions are never answered,

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:19.520
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's part of the appeal of the film.

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I think is is just such a bizarre character, such

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>a bizarre monster, and we're just left to wonder at

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>how it all pieces together. And maybe that's quite accidental.

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, I'm timpto to say that

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.800
<v Speaker 2>he was merely a master of some minor tricks and

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, master of the arts and sciences back in

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the seventeenth century. Then he somehow got himself aboard a

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:47.040
<v Speaker 2>comet rode it around space a long time and encountered

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 2>strange alien beings who gave him these additional powers. He

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.560
<v Speaker 2>brought them back, Maybe he fused with them and brought

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:54.880
<v Speaker 2>all that back to Earth with him.

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I like that, that is. I lean towards that explanation.

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:00.800
<v Speaker 1>But we also have the whole thing about him being

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of unknown origin.

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 2>That's true, yeah.

0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:05.280
<v Speaker 1>And that could just mean that he was a foreigner,

0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:07.560
<v Speaker 1>but he could also mean he could be from space.

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.439
<v Speaker 2>There's one part later where he claims that he never

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 2>had any ancestors, and I didn't know if that's just

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:17.479
<v Speaker 2>a weird translation of a line or if he means

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 2>that literally.

0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that he's not of this.

0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Earth anyway, So brainiac. In this scene he steals the

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 2>guy's clothes via like clothes teleportation, victims clothes under his body,

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and also of course transforms himself out of brainiac mode,

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:37.320
<v Speaker 2>so he's no longer a giant Harry Reptilian brain goblin.

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Now he has the suave face of the original Baron Vitilius.

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's good to go. Now he has the tools,

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:48.280
<v Speaker 1>he has a mission. He's in the wilderness, but you

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 1>know he can remedy that pretty quickly. I think.

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Also right here, Victoria and Ronnie arrive on the scene

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 2>because they're looking for where the comet landed, and they

0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 2>run into Baron Vitellius, and they just stand there saying nothing,

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 2>looking at each other for a long time.

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but then we get we get some excellent dialogue here.

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The Baron is like, allow me to explain myself.

1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I always just walks at this hour of the night.

1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:18.320
<v Speaker 2>And then Ronnie explains that he and Vicky are astronomers

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and they're hunting a meteor, and I think Vicky is like, oh,

1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.680
<v Speaker 2>don't bore him. There's no way he'll understand what you

1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:28.960
<v Speaker 2>mean talking about a meteor. But then Baron Vitellius is like, no, no,

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I too have great interest in astronomy, so I know

1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:32.720
<v Speaker 2>what meteors are.

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like, astronomy is actually my weakness, which is

1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is At first I had to at for a second.

1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, does that mean it's like garlic? And

1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like no, No, that just means he's like, that's

1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:46.840
<v Speaker 1>how into astronomy he is. Yeah, that's his weakness. So

1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that's something to keep in mind for, you know, any

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.360
<v Speaker 1>job interviews folks have coming up. If you get to

1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.360
<v Speaker 1>asked that question, well, what's your biggest short following or

1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:57.320
<v Speaker 1>your weakness or whatever, you can say astronomy. I'm just

1:00:57.320 --> 1:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>too into the stars.

1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm a brainiac.

1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.600
<v Speaker 2>At first they exchange information one they give each other

1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 2>their cards. But the baron goes out after this to

1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:12.160
<v Speaker 2>prowl the city. He's on a brain hunt. So he

1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:15.160
<v Speaker 2>goes to a restaurant which appears to still be open

1:01:15.240 --> 1:01:18.880
<v Speaker 2>at three am or whenever. This is the bar crowd

1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.560
<v Speaker 2>is winding down. This place does look very cool. There's

1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a backsplash behind the bar that's like this big, round,

1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:28.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of translucent window with these weird symbols on it

1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and an upside down brandy bottle. It's cool.

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, like what we see of presumably Mexico city

1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:39.880
<v Speaker 1>nightlife is very very swap and charming here.

1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.640
<v Speaker 2>So in this place, there is a single woman drinking

1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:45.480
<v Speaker 2>by herself at the bar. All the other patrons have left,

1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:48.320
<v Speaker 2>and there are a manager and a bartender closing up

1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:51.360
<v Speaker 2>for the night, like drying glasses and counting money, and

1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the baron walks into the place. He approaches the woman

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:57.919
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, he turns invisible as he's walking up,

1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.520
<v Speaker 2>and then he appears again, like becomes solid again when

1:02:01.560 --> 1:02:04.560
<v Speaker 2>he reaches his destination, which is standing right next to her.

1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure what the point of this was, but

1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just to show off another one of

1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:11.840
<v Speaker 2>the baron's powers he can turn invisible.

1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:14.520
<v Speaker 1>And of course to highlight again that the effects guys

1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:16.640
<v Speaker 1>can do dissolve shots.

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Yea, they use this.

1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.920
<v Speaker 1>All the time, whether it's stripping the clothes from a

1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:23.840
<v Speaker 1>victim in a field or just making him go invisible

1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.280
<v Speaker 1>for no real reason. We also saw it earlier when

1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:29.120
<v Speaker 1>he was seeing the faces of the hooded judges.

1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So the woman talks to the bartender into

1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:35.200
<v Speaker 2>giving this new guy a drink even though they're trying

1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to close, and he didn't ask for one. In fact,

1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:39.680
<v Speaker 2>not only did he not ask for a drink. The

1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:43.400
<v Speaker 2>baron says nothing in the scene. He doesn't talk, but

1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the lady at the bar starts talking to him and

1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:50.800
<v Speaker 2>then seemingly forms a very intimate connection without him saying

1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:54.040
<v Speaker 2>anything back. He just stares and drinks kangnac out of

1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:58.240
<v Speaker 2>this very cute tiny glass, and she's like, you don't

1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:00.960
<v Speaker 2>say anything, You're just looking at me, and then she says,

1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to stop looking at me, and

1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.240
<v Speaker 2>he's obviously not looking at her. He's like staring over

1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:09.640
<v Speaker 2>her shoulder at the wall, and then she goes in

1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:13.720
<v Speaker 2>for a kiss dramatic music sting. He doesn't react at all.

1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Finally she gets mad and tries to walk away, so

1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.200
<v Speaker 2>it's brainiact time, nothing else to do. The light flashes

1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:24.840
<v Speaker 2>on the baron's eyes and he transforms. The woman at

1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the bar screams in terror and he grabs her and

1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:29.760
<v Speaker 2>he does the tongue to the back of the head

1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:32.320
<v Speaker 2>thing and then drops her body to the floor with

1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:32.880
<v Speaker 2>a thud.

1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:35.840
<v Speaker 1>So more brains for the brainiact.

1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, And then we got straight to the morgue, so

1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:41.600
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing bodies on slabs, and here we meet several

1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:44.720
<v Speaker 2>more recurring characters. There's the Morgue attendant, who I think

1:03:44.760 --> 1:03:48.600
<v Speaker 2>shows up a couple of times. Surprisingly handsome and cool

1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:52.600
<v Speaker 2>looking fellow with horn rimmed glasses, a thin mustache, and

1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:54.080
<v Speaker 2>very neatly parted hair.

1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't know why this guy is in our star,

1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:58.400
<v Speaker 1>because he has all the hallmarks of one.

1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then the two cops we mentioned, the inspector detective,

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<v Speaker 2>the gruff, stoic bald man. He's very strongly built, with

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<v Speaker 2>a fedora low over his eyes. He's serious. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there is Benny, his partner or subordinate, who's the goofy

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<v Speaker 2>comic relief cop. And the first action we get of

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is him offering impossible theories to explain the crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when his partner's like, no, that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense, he desires to quit the investigation. But while

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<v Speaker 2>they're looking at the bodies here, the morgatendant tells them

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<v Speaker 2>that he's never seen murders like this in all of

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<v Speaker 2>his career. He says, quote, the skulls of these two

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<v Speaker 2>victims show two perforations. Possibly the murderer used an electric drill.

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<v Speaker 2>I say this because the person who did it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite skilled. Just look at these two orifices, and they

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<v Speaker 2>look he really there is a tone of admiration here,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's appreciating the work. And then he tells them

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<v Speaker 2>the most amazing thing has happened to both of these

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<v Speaker 2>bodies of brains were sucked out through the two holes.

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<v Speaker 2>And the doctor tells them that this means the person

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<v Speaker 2>who did it must be an expert in anatomy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, yeah, because how else would they know that

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<v Speaker 2>the brains are inside the skull?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is interesting to think there are other

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<v Speaker 1>ways to get to the brain, but the brainiac chooses

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<v Speaker 1>to just make his own holes, not to use any

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<v Speaker 1>of the various other holes that are there, and in

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<v Speaker 1>a roundabout way, do lead to the brain. The police

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<v Speaker 1>with a little help, with a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little Yeah, well, one of the police inspector responds to

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<v Speaker 2>this by saying, I wish they'd find some way to

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<v Speaker 2>control the subjects of man's studies. A maniac with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of knowledge is a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, clearly that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's an interesting perspective, Like the most important part

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<v Speaker 2>of law and order is preventing maniacs from doing research.

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<v Speaker 2>We also learned from the two cops that last night

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<v Speaker 2>there was a major bank robbery, and I think we

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<v Speaker 2>can assume it was the Bear and acquiring funds for

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<v Speaker 2>his mission of revenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of feel cheated. We didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>see that sequence though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's kind of like in the face behind the mask, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we never actually see the heist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to see the heist, don't skip the heist.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're like, they know what a heist is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So from here, the rest of the movie I

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<v Speaker 2>think can be split up into like two or three

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<v Speaker 2>main plots. You're going to have the baron locating and

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<v Speaker 2>then getting revenge on the descendants of all of his enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>generally by sucking their brains out, sometimes by other means.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you're going to have the police investigators trying to

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<v Speaker 2>solve the case. And then you also have Ronnie and

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<v Speaker 2>Vicki being brought into the Baron's high society social circle

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<v Speaker 2>and then being in danger. Of course, because Vicky is

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<v Speaker 2>a descendant of one of the judges.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of these plots are more interesting than the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to say that the police investigation, aside

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<v Speaker 1>from one kind of hammy bit of comedic relief. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I always felt a little slow for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. The police scenes are usually over pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 2>At least they're sprightly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a scene where Baron Vitellius visits the local

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<v Speaker 2>historical site of the inquisition executions. He goes to the

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<v Speaker 2>place I guess where he was burned, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>also goes to the city archives and learns the names

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<v Speaker 2>of the judges in his trial. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the point of the scene. I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>already knew them. He said these names three hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he was three hundred years ago. Maybe he for kayle, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean i'd seen this movie before and

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<v Speaker 1>it was less than three hundred years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot everybody's name, but they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't your inquisition trial.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>After this, he goes out on the street and then

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<v Speaker 2>he meets a sex worker on the sidewalk, lights a

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<v Speaker 2>cigarette for her. They make out a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he turns into brainiac and eats her brains.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's missing out on so many moments

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<v Speaker 1>for like authentic connection with people. Yeah, and or to

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<v Speaker 1>help the downtrodden, you know, Yeah, these would have been

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<v Speaker 1>good seeds for that.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes brainiac mode too early, Like if he got

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<v Speaker 2>to know people, maybe he wouldn't want to suck their

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<v Speaker 2>brains out. He could then again, maybe this is his

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<v Speaker 2>way of getting to know people, if we go with

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<v Speaker 2>the alien theory. Actually, this raises a question. When Brainiac

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<v Speaker 2>eats people's brains, does he gain their knowledge?

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, maybe maybe he does? Or yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I would like to think that maybe it's just sustenance.

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<v Speaker 1>Though there's so much I feel like like a Gimmel

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<v Speaker 1>del Toro or someone like that could could really have

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<v Speaker 1>come in and done like a really thoughtful, heartfelt remake

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<v Speaker 1>of Brainiac and explored some of these questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, yeah, like the Chronos take on Brainiac.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, After this, there's a scene with the two cops

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<v Speaker 2>having lunch in a cafe while they talk about the case.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one I took a screenshot here of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the cops says, as usual, Benny, his brains have been

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<v Speaker 2>sucked out, and then Benny Wheelern has ordered calf brains

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<v Speaker 2>to eat at the cafe. That's just on the menu here,

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<v Speaker 2>but then when the waitress brings his plate, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>he has lost his appetite. Yuck, yuck.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't play this scene up as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like other movies would have, but I still appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>The inspector also concludes, based on the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>brains have been sucked out that quote, the killer must

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<v Speaker 2>be a schizophrenic.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay to doing throwing anything at the wall here to

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<v Speaker 1>see what sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, okay, and then oh. We also get the

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<v Speaker 2>first of these mini scenes, the recurring subplot where Professor

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<v Speaker 2>Miland can't get any other observatory in the world to

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<v Speaker 2>confirm his his sighting of the comet. So he's like

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<v Speaker 2>opening letters from Moscow, from Paris, from everywhere, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all saying Nope, didn't see a comet. But anyway. In

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<v Speaker 2>this first scene, while the three astronomer characters are opening

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<v Speaker 2>all the letters from around the world, they also get

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<v Speaker 2>an invitation to attend a fancy party at the home

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<v Speaker 2>of Baron Vitellius. So let's go to the party. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a fancy black tie affair with champagne and caviar.

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<v Speaker 2>The butler keeps announcing the arrival of new guests, including

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<v Speaker 2>all of the descendants of the inquisitors who condemned the baron. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>so one is a young lady about to get married,

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<v Speaker 2>one is an older dude who's a professor of history,

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<v Speaker 2>one is an industrial magnate. And then of course our

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<v Speaker 2>heroes arrive. I got to laugh here at first at

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<v Speaker 2>the picture of our astronomers arriving, because first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>Vicky's outfit it looks like she works at the toy

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<v Speaker 2>factory at the North Pole. And then she also has

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<v Speaker 2>two dates. She has both of the astronomer guys, one

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<v Speaker 2>on each.

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<v Speaker 1>Arm, representing the sciences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Also, at some point during this fancy party, the

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<v Speaker 2>baron has to sneak away to the coat closet basically

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<v Speaker 2>to an adjoining room room to eat brains out of

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<v Speaker 2>a big golden chalice. The spoon. He's just got a

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<v Speaker 2>it's like locked inside a chest. He just has a

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<v Speaker 2>big old grail of brains.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this, but it also just raises more questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Whose brains are these? When has he been harvesting or

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<v Speaker 1>did he harvest these? Like he did he maybe buy

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<v Speaker 1>these off the black market or you know, got them

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<v Speaker 1>from a morgue or something. We don't know, but he

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<v Speaker 1>has a sizeable little cauldron, little bowl of brains here.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're basically intact, which would not be the case

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<v Speaker 2>if you sucked out the brains through those tiny holes

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's constantly going in for little nibbles and bites.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, it's like it's like I do

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm working here at the house. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just constantly snacking on snacknecks or something, and he's the

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<v Speaker 1>same with his brains.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a scene at the end of the party

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<v Speaker 2>where everybody tells the baron what a wonderful time they've had,

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<v Speaker 2>and they all make plans to see him again. It's like, oh, Baron,

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<v Speaker 2>once't you please be at our wedding And he's like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be there. So I think we can run

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<v Speaker 2>kind of quickly through the various revenge scenarios. The first

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<v Speaker 2>one is maybe my favorite one. The Professor of History Depentoha.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's really good. This one's legitimately creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the guy just happens to be a scholar

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<v Speaker 2>of the Inquisition, and also, wouldn't you know it his

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful daughter Maria, also a brilliant historian of the Inquisition.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, they bring the baron to their house and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, look at these papers we have about the

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<v Speaker 2>trial of the whoa baron Vitilius. He had the same

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<v Speaker 2>name as you. That's that's pretty weird, isn't it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's one line where the professor says religion was not

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<v Speaker 2>extremely enlightened at that time. Baron.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Baron's like, yeah, I know, quite.

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<v Speaker 2>Aware anyway, So they're like, hey, you know he had

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<v Speaker 2>the same name as you. This guy must have been

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<v Speaker 2>one of your ancestors. And then, in a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>shocking twist, the baron just straight up announces himself. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like he said, this is the scene where he says,

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<v Speaker 2>I never had any ancestors. I am the Baron Itilius Destera,

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<v Speaker 2>and you are the descendants of one of the inquisitorial judges,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I will destroy you.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a great revenge sequence. Again legitimately creepy

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<v Speaker 1>because he hypnotizes petrifies the father, and then I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he hypnotizes them both. But he's just frozen there, wide eyed.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your Maine roadless that referenced earlier, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>just frozen in place, petrified with these wide eyes as

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<v Speaker 1>he watches the baron feast on the brain of his daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first he kisses the daughter and she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in love with the baron now makes a face

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<v Speaker 2>indicating that I guess she's probably hypnotized. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>turns into the brainiac and then sucks her brains out,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy and the professor is just standing there

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<v Speaker 2>with like his eyes are like they're like a mile tall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this this scene hits pretty hard, like even today,

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<v Speaker 1>so I feel this must have terrified folks back in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Brainiac burns down the house.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, he the trashes the office. Let's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't see a lot of like really overt rage

1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:10.080
<v Speaker 1>from him over all of this, but here we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Later, the cops are on the scene and the inspector says,

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<v Speaker 2>the line is quote these people were burned. Only that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fool me. It's clear that the madmen extracted their

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<v Speaker 2>brains as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Also at this scene, this is where we get some

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<v Speaker 2>more comic relief with Benny. He he's like yelling at

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are doing the forensics, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to examine these bodies to find out who

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<v Speaker 2>drilled those holes in their skulls. It was probably some

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<v Speaker 2>maniac who thought he was cracking a safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that joke lands a little better in the original Spanish,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe The next murder is that of the industrialist Manaises,

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<v Speaker 2>the one descended from Baltazar Demoneses. So they're in his

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<v Speaker 2>lab with he and with him and his wife, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're talking about collaborating on a new alloy. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the BRAINI act does a similar thing here. He's like, hypnotize,

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<v Speaker 2>kiss the lady, turn into beast mode, eat the wife's brain,

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<v Speaker 2>except in this case, instead of eating Maneesa's his brain,

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<v Speaker 2>he hypnotizes him to jump into his own industrial furnace

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<v Speaker 2>ugh ooh yeah. And then skipping more lightly along toward

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<v Speaker 2>the end, we get a third revenge scene, which occurs

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<v Speaker 2>after the wedding of the targeted individual. It's a young

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<v Speaker 2>lady getting married. It's going to be eating some brains

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But this is all building up to the

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<v Speaker 2>final confrontation, because we know in the back of our

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<v Speaker 2>minds all the time that one of the descendants today

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<v Speaker 2>is Victoria Contreras, and so he's going to be coming

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<v Speaker 2>for Vicky soon. So in the final showdown, the baron

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<v Speaker 2>invites Vicky and Ronnie to his house. And now how

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<v Speaker 2>does he get them separated? Like he sends Ronnie to

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<v Speaker 2>the other room to look for something or.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he says, I would like to give Vicky some

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<v Speaker 1>jewel and it should just be her that comes with

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<v Speaker 1>me into my study where I keep all the jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be wrong for you to try to influence

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<v Speaker 1>her on which piece of jewelry she chooses. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Ronnie's like, well it makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Carry on, then that's normal. Yeah. So of course he

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<v Speaker 1>gets there into the into his study or his office there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even remember if there were any jewels,

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<v Speaker 1>because he almost immediately launches into villain dialogue and an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to seduce, slash, hypnotize, slash ultimately eat her brains,

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<v Speaker 1>we assume.

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<v Speaker 2>But she is saved, so this turns into a scuffle.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Ronnie hears her screams and comes running. But then,

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<v Speaker 2>in a really surprisingly brutal twist on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the good guys. The cops show up. Our inspectors, both

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<v Speaker 2>Benny and the more serious cop arrive on the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>both wearing backpack flame throwers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like full blown space movie flamethrowers on their back

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah they and then just light him up. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was about to say, unfortunately, sadly, from

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<v Speaker 1>some perspectives, the baron dies a second death by fire.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe it when I saw the flamethrowers. They're

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<v Speaker 2>running in like it's like Drake and Vasquez, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Rock wearing a huge honking flamethrower apparatus.

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<v Speaker 4>Is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no setup for there's no like, there's no like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's no bit where they're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just got those new flame throwers in over the precinct.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why we did all that training on them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're probably never going to use them. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like that's just suddenly they're here, a turbo team with

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<v Speaker 1>flamethrowers ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And the baron is not part of the turbo team.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's not. He gets toasted, burned to a crisp

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<v Speaker 1>and brainiac form. Then we get a like a dissolve

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<v Speaker 1>effect into do we go right to skeleton or you

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<v Speaker 1>go to I like, charred humanoid form?

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<v Speaker 2>First, I think it's charred skeleton with like no feet, right, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Feed or hands. That really threw me, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>me think about the brainiac fingers all over again. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, were those maybe those are just he had

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<v Speaker 1>no hands in their tubes? Yeah, like there were no

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<v Speaker 1>bones in there. And then again a million questions about

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how all of this works.

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<v Speaker 2>So question, did we miss something? I wanted to compare

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<v Speaker 2>notes with you? Was there something I missed in the

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<v Speaker 2>movie that explains more about what the brainiac is and

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<v Speaker 2>where he comes from? Did that scene just go buy me?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Now I am to understand there's

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<v Speaker 1>a director's cut of this, but I also have not

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<v Speaker 1>read anything to imply that it really answers any of

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<v Speaker 1>the questions we actually have. I think it was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just some more character stuff, But I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's my understanding that none of these outstanding questions

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<v Speaker 1>about the nature of the beast are really answered.

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<v Speaker 2>Listeners, If there are answers to our questions about the brainiac,

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<v Speaker 2>things we don't know, but you do right in let

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<v Speaker 2>us know. Contact at stuff to blow your mind dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us what are we missing about The Brainiac?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I also wish I'd been able to see it

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<v Speaker 1>in the original span, in the original Spanish with subtitles.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that something like that couldn't be lost in the

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<v Speaker 1>subtitles as well, but you know there's always the possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, sometimes I like the original language, but

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<v Speaker 2>a movie like this, I love a dub. Dub really

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<v Speaker 2>works well for Brainiac.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you are right, And also the dub

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<v Speaker 1>is a part of this film's history. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>way so many English speaking moviegoers actually saw the picture

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<v Speaker 1>over the years on television late at night, trying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>themselves flabbergasted by this strange monster that shows up and

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<v Speaker 1>starts sucking brains out of people's necks with a fork tongue.

1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:09.040
<v Speaker 1>As is sometimes the case, after we watch a film

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<v Speaker 1>discuss it on Weird House, we have even more thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>about the film and maybe we dig into some additional resources.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the case here with The Brainiac.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, there's the matter of the inquisition. Now,

1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:26.880
<v Speaker 1>some of you might be wondering, well, okay, the inquisition

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<v Speaker 1>that was obviously active in Europe and certainly in Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Mexico here, we're talking about New Spain. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Tribunal of the Holy Office, the Inquisition in New

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<v Speaker 1>Spain was established in fifteen seventy one and wasn't entirely

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<v Speaker 1>disbanded till eighteen twenty. So the basic time frame we

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<v Speaker 1>see in the early part of the picture here is reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now this doesn't answer the questions that we

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<v Speaker 2>have about whether, within the narrative logic of the film,

1:20:57.360 --> 1:20:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the baron is actually supposed to be guilty of the

1:20:59.760 --> 1:21:03.479
<v Speaker 2>crime he's accused of. But on the question of real history,

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to quickly note that the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were in reality persecuted by the Mexican Inquisition the Inquisition

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<v Speaker 2>in New Spain were generally not accused, not certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of, and generally not even accused of the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of unspeakable occult crimes we see in inquisitionsploitation movies, you know,

1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:28.600
<v Speaker 2>demonic lechery and violence, you used warlock powers to do

1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:32.559
<v Speaker 2>murder and that kind of thing. Instead, it's a much

1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:35.679
<v Speaker 2>sadder and more tragic thing that these were just generally

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<v Speaker 2>religiously non conforming people, primarily people who were accused of

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<v Speaker 2>secretly adhering to a religion other than Catholicism, such as

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<v Speaker 2>pre Hispanic Aztec religion or Judaism. A big target of

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<v Speaker 2>the Mexican Inquisition were people who were called conversos, Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>people who had been first forcibly converted to Catholicism, but

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<v Speaker 2>then subsequently were suspected of continuing to practice Judaism in private.

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<v Speaker 2>So for an example of the latter, you can look

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<v Speaker 2>up the story of a guy I was just reading about,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Luis Carva Hall, the younger, notable for

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<v Speaker 2>keeping memoirs of his experiences which were just recently recovered

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<v Speaker 2>I believe in twenty sixteen. He was a member of

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<v Speaker 2>a prominent family in New Spain, the Carva Hall family,

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<v Speaker 2>which were governors of part of the colony at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>and he in fifteen ninety six was tortured and executed

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of thirty for keeping the Jewish faith

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<v Speaker 2>in secret, along with many members of his family. But

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<v Speaker 2>you can also look up the story of Carlos Omotokschin,

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<v Speaker 2>a man who was burned at the stake by the

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<v Speaker 2>Inquisition in fifteen thirty nine for practicing the traditional Aztec religion.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're basically religiously non conforming people of various sorts

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<v Speaker 2>and just general heresy. What the inquisitors decided was heresy

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<v Speaker 2>not having the right religious beliefs and practices.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for a little additional context about the use of

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<v Speaker 1>history in this picture and this picture's place in the

1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:16.799
<v Speaker 1>history of Mexican cinema, I turned to Doyle Green's Exploitation Cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>A Critical History of Mexican Vampire, Wrestler, ape Man and

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<v Speaker 1>similar Films nineteen fifty seven through nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an enticing title to me, But I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think, have we watched a movie that covers all

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<v Speaker 2>three of those? I think Doctor of Doom might that

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<v Speaker 2>would definitely include Wrestler and ape Man, maybe also Mexican

1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Vampire sort of Yeah, I don't know, brain ish.

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<v Speaker 1>That we need to be on the lookout. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the lookout for that special picture, the

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<v Speaker 1>Goldilocks picture. Anyway, I was reading through this book, and

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<v Speaker 1>Green has a couple of books dealing with weird Mexican cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I've added them both to my card. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to pick them up to really dive in

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<v Speaker 1>in greater depth. But his general thesis here is that

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<v Speaker 1>while many may be quick to dismiss Mexican genre films

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<v Speaker 1>of this era as mirror cheap entertainment and as responses

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<v Speaker 1>to American and British cinema trends, there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>going on here. So again, the golden age of Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>cinema blossoms during the end of the Second World War

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<v Speaker 1>and into the post war era, followed roughly by the

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<v Speaker 1>period of cinema explored in his book, and during this time,

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<v Speaker 1>he argues, Mexico is wrestling with its identity, seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>forge a modern future free from the shackles of its past,

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<v Speaker 1>many of which are tied to European colonialism. As such,

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<v Speaker 1>the threats in these movies are often creatures of the past,

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<v Speaker 1>interwoven with historic horrors, be they vengeful inquisition, burned warlocks,

1:24:45.160 --> 1:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>as tech mummies, or something else. And on the flip side,

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<v Speaker 1>we see the emergence of a new sort of hero

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<v Speaker 1>in icon El Santo, as well as his Luchador and

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<v Speaker 1>Lucidora kin like blue demon mil Mascaris, Glory of Venus

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<v Speaker 1>the Batwoman neutron and maybe, if we're being generous cops

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<v Speaker 1>with flamethrowers and also astronomers.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's be real, brainiac is not about the good

1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:12.160
<v Speaker 2>guys right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Specifically, on the topic of the Brainiac, Green has

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<v Speaker 1>this to say. He writes, quote, the past is a

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<v Speaker 1>period of unchanging violence rooted in irrational superstition, reflected in

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<v Speaker 1>both Baron Vitilius's use of black magic and the oppressive

1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>religious dogma of the Inquisition in New Spain. Again, the

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<v Speaker 1>Baron's resurrection does not simply represent the dangerous return of

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<v Speaker 1>superstition and irrationality, but carries with it the reminders of

1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>an unfortunate chapter of Mexican history, the Inquisition and Spanish colonialism,

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<v Speaker 1>and their dangerous legacy for the present. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>this makes the use of Goya's art prints from Los

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<v Speaker 1>Copricos the Whims series. I think it's like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of different illustrations which I think has come up

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before that harshly satirized religion, superstition, and

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<v Speaker 1>a seeming decline of rationality in Gloya's modern world.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's interesting what Green points out in

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<v Speaker 2>this passage. You read about the vision sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>worldview of Brainiac being one of a kind of total

1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:24.040
<v Speaker 2>rejection of the past, that in the prologue there are

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<v Speaker 2>no good guys. Really, assuming that we take the side

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<v Speaker 2>that the Baron was not actually like the nice of

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus figure who was just railroaded, that if it is

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<v Speaker 2>more what it looks like, where the Baron is a

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<v Speaker 2>bad evil warlock and the inquisitors are also bad. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a place of oppressive superstition and dogma beating you

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<v Speaker 2>down from both sides. And really the only hope is

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of modern future. And so it is a

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<v Speaker 2>very modernist kind of worldview that comes through in the

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<v Speaker 2>film that does actually seem to have positive views about

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<v Speaker 2>like about science and humanism and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And we have to remember that the barons

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<v Speaker 1>the mission of vengeance here is against the descendants of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who wronged him, you know, so, like everything

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<v Speaker 1>he does in the present is completely vested in the

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<v Speaker 1>past and its horrors.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess one question that raises is how are we

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to feel about those descendants. We like Victoria Contreras,

1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>we like Vicky, but the other targets of his vengeance plot.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of feelings are we supposed to have about them?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the movie doesn't really nudge us very

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<v Speaker 2>far one way or the other. They're presented kind of neutrally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, in retrospect, it would have been perhaps more

1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting if we'd explored ideas in either direction. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe some of them are horrible and entitled and

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<v Speaker 1>are like you know they and you know, we see

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<v Speaker 1>like the accumulation of vast wealth over generations, while you know,

1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>others are our heroes and so forth. And in many ways,

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<v Speaker 1>that would also fit the pattern we've seen a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of revenge films. Right, start with vengeance against those who

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<v Speaker 1>seem most deserving of it. Then you work up to

1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the ones that seem least deserving of it, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where our revenger meets their downfall. Yeah, not to take

1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:18.479
<v Speaker 1>away from the Brainiac. Still still a marvelous picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's all I've got on Brainiac.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, it's a fun one. Like I say,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the one of the most unique monsters in

1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:30.559
<v Speaker 1>all of horror cinema. I think it's quite a quite

1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:34.040
<v Speaker 1>an accomplishment there, because you know, there there have been

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<v Speaker 1>so many strange monsters over the years. Obviously, there's also

1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:41.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sameness, and while the Brainiac creature certainly

1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:45.439
<v Speaker 1>riffs on various existing monster tropes, it really goes off

1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>in its own ludicrousal direction and it is to be

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated for that. All Right, we're gonna goe and close

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<v Speaker 1>this episode out, but we'd love to hear from everyone

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<v Speaker 1>out there, Yes, share your thoughts on the Brainiac and

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