WEBVTT - 093023 Pushing Back Against Right-Wing DEI Attacks (Part 2) 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:03.480 Just tuning in a civic cipher. I'm your host, Ramsy's job. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.920 He is Ramsey's joh I m q ward. You are 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.039 tuned into civic cipher. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.200 Indeed you are, and we need you to stick around 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.719 because there's been a lot of crazy stuff happening lately, 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.759 in particular attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion, and this 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.920 is something that is very meaningful for us here on 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:21.480 this show. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.320 We think that it is a very special. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:31.760 Endeavor that companies and other enterprises can undertake. And yet 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.920 attacks coming from the right have started to become problematic, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.640 and they've started to influence people and cause people to 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:47.239 question whether or not it's effective, or whether or not 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:52.080 it is creating the opposite problem, you know, in terms 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.480 of like discrimination against white people. And so we have 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.560 to give you some tools to work against that, and 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.000 a whole lot more. But the first and foremost, let's 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.960 discuss becoming a better Allibaba Baba and Today's bob A 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.319 sponsored by Friends of the Movement to support Black businesses 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.240 and allied businesses. Sign up for the free voter wallet 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.280 from fotmglobal dot com and make an impact with your spending. Again, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.720 that's Fotmglobal dot com and this comes from The Guardian. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.680 North Carolina Supreme Court judge is suing the state's Judicial 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.880 Standards Commission for allegedly violating her. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.440 Rights to freedom of speech. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.560 After Judge Anita Earls made public comments about the lack 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.080 of diversity in the North Carolina court system, the commission 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.839 launched an investigation into her statements. According to a federal 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.200 lawsuit filed by Earl's lawyers, the judge has been subjected 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.920 to a series of month long intrusive investigations which have 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.600 led to a chilling of. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.319 Her First Amendment rights. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.120 In a June article on Law three sixty, Earls pointed 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.240 out the lack of diversity among North Carolina Supreme Court 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.960 law clerks. Quote, if you look at who is hired 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.880 to serve as clerks to the justices, we have plenty 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.920 of female clerks, but on the racial diversity, we're lacking, 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.640 Earl said in the interview, pointing out that there was 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.480 only one black clerk and one Latina clerk employed in 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.200 the court's latest term. Earls also said that she witnessed 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:15.040 implicit bias in court, telling the publication she witnessed a 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:20.040 black litigator being attacked unfairly by Earl's colleagues. Earl said 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.960 the Court's racial equity trainings and committees to increase diversity 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:29.079 and inclusion have been disbanded. Earl's, North Carolina's only black 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.520 female Supreme Court justice, alleges that the commission is targeting 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.320 her ability to critique the Court, especially on matters of diversity. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.720 The First Amendment provides me and every American the right 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.560 to free speech and to bring to light imperfections and 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.240 unfairness in our political and judicial systems. Earl said in 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.840 a statement to The Guardian. I believe public confidence in 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.680 the judiciary is best promoted by honestly looking at the facts, 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.160 not by sweeping the truth under the rug or silencing dissenters. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.560 And using your voice as always is becoming a better ally, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:02:59.800 and we salute you. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.000 So onward. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.919 All right, let's talk about attacks on DEI and why 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.400 it's still beneficial. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.679 Let me do a little bit of reading to help 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:11.400 paint a picture here. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:16.480 I'm going to read a bit from MIT Sloan Management Reviews. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.360 The title is countering the Corporate Diversity Backlash, and then 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.000 the subheading says, as opponents of inclusive business practices grow 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.560 more vocal leaders are backing down from diversity promises or 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.760 going quiet. Here's what they should do instead, all right. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.160 Corporate diversity is facing backlash. Target A company that has 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.600 carried merchandise celebrating LGBTQ plus pride or over a decade 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.920 ordered some stores to remove such products after conservative activists 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.920 accused the company of sexualizing children and organizing a boycott, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.240 and heyser Busch lost sales in response to a promotion 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:56.440 with trans influencer Dylan mulvaney, costing bud Light it spot 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.480 as America's best selling beer. Even Chick fil A, perhaps 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:05.040 the prototype of corporate conservativism, with its opposition to same 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.560 sex marriage and policy of closing on Sundays, recently came 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.200 under attack from conservatives for employing an executive to lead 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.520 its diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. Universities are also facing 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.320 a diversity backlash. The US Supreme Court recently struck down 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.039 race conscious admissions programs at Harvard and the University of 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.919 North Carolina at Chapel Hill, ending race conscious admissions. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:28.640 Will likely have ripple effects. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:34.400 This unclear regulatory environment might discourage organizations from implementing current 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:39.440 diversity efforts. While spurring some to explicitly exclude black, Latin, 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.120 and indigenous groups. All right, let me stop here for 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.160 a second. So what we're talking about is the intersection 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.600 of corporate interests and the pursuit of a more progressive 0:04:51.680 --> 0:05:03.039 and inclusive society. Now, many people who are educated tend 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:07.960 to find themselves being pushed toward more liberal views the 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.720 more educated they become. That's true of most people. The 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.400 more educated you become, the more liberal your views become. Right, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.479 that's not always true. There are many people who have 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.680 graduated from very prestigious institutions that are deeply conservative. But 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.840 if we look at the numbers, at least the numbers that. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.000 But I just want to interject to point out the 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.440 difference between education and enlightenment. I think those that are 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.960 more enlightened, sure, team tend to lead more liberal. 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:36.320 Yeah. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.560 Yeah, you can get twenty seven degrees and still be 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.400 a racist bigot. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:39.760 Yeah. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.520 Oh absolutely, So it's not more educated, just more enlightened. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.240 Well no, no, no, So this is the thing. When 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.040 you follow like those with more degrees with more with 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.760 higher education, more years in academia, and then people who 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:57.680 continue with their their that part will say enlightenment you know, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.400 just kind of beyond their academic studies. You find that 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.240 people tend to be more liberal. The same thing with 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.839 people who travel. With more exposure, more information, with more data, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.960 people tend to appreciate a lot of the similarities and 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.760 the commonalities that we all share. This is my guess. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.480 This is not hard data, but again please for yourself 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.960 look it up, because again, the more educated people are, 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.359 the more liberal they tend to become. It's not a 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:30.080 broad sweeping statement, it's just a tendency. So I suspect 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.160 that a lot of these people who are leaders of 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:41.839 these companies on some level know that a more liberal 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:48.320 philosophy leads to more profits because it includes more people. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.320 Go ahead, and that's the part that makes it all 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.800 so confusing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm going to say, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:54.200 a lot. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.000 Of our listeners don't know that. When I'm not sitting 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.640 in front of a microphone with you, I'm traveling all 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.800 over the United States having conversations on diversity, equity. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.800 Inclusion, also on user experience and user interface. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.680 Important to point that out because Uxui education has seen 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.720 a boom companies like Google offering certificates for students to 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.400 learn about ux ui and corporations paying a lot of 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.600 money for people to research and implement things that make 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.600 for a better experience for their users in real time 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.760 or user interface for those who are using their apps 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.720 or their websites, because they understand that if it is 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.160 a more equitable experience for everyone, that they will make 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.080 more money. The pushback comes when you say we want 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.480 there to be a better experience for poor and black people. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.280 Then that's when they brustle in, cringe and push back, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.000 even though you're saying the same thing. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.720 Before we move there, though, let me flesh this out 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:52.200 a little bit more so. The forces of capitalism push 0:07:52.600 --> 0:08:00.640 companies to pursue profit at the expense almost of everything else. Okay, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:09.280 the easiest groups to dismiss are poor people and brown 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:15.840 people just because, uh, there's there's rarely a cavalry that 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.120 comes to the aid of those people. If it's rich 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.760 white people, you know, they are a lot more vocal, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.920 they have a lot more political influence, they have a 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.320 lot more dollars, and they can spend with those dollars, and. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.320 People listen a little bit better. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.280 You know, we've been complaining about police violence since police 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.520 violence existed, and there's still police violence. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.120 But I mean, the really the really interesting thing, Rams 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:39.800 is that. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.920 Underrepresented groups, as you said, don't really have a cavalry 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.040 that will you know, that will cause big change on 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:52.160 their behalf. But in recent years, it used to be 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.360 in bad taste, just in battle, to be a flagrantly 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.640 a pex predator capitalist at the expense of, like you say, everything, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.120 everything and to be mean to people that were underrepresented 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.240 and marginalized was in bad taste. Now that that's no 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.040 longer the case thanks to our prior president, you see 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.520 things like this happening at an alarming rate that the 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:18.480 Supreme Court taking legislative measures measures i'm sorry, to remove 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:25.640 racial sensitivity or just racial consideration and the admissions process. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:31.120 And people don't understand these programs didn't say disqualify white candidates, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.920 just consider others. Consider others should not be controversial. You 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.959 know what's crazy about it here we are. What's crazy 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.280 about that is that the legacy admissions that often fills 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:49.400 the ranks of people that attend these prestigious institutions. Those individuals, again, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.440 their legacy admissions, they're not the most qualified with the 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.440 best grades and the you know, they were on the 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.080 swim team and the lacrosse team and whatever. They just 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.040 were related to somebody else that went there. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:04.560 So that is the affirmative action for you know, non 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:05.680 black people right there. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.680 If there's a legacy there then as if they needed it. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.360 But there's that in addition to okay, so watch this, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:14.320 let's let's tie together. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.280 So what you have is people that tend to be 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:22.600 more educated, but then they intersect at corporate interests, the 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:27.920 capitalistic interest, right and the most vulnerable people are black people. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.320 So you have some people in a position that might say, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.520 you know what, now that I see all these black 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.760 people protesting is twenty twenty, let's see if we can 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.600 provide some DEI initiatives to bring to bring black people 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.640 back into the conversation. God knows, we've abused them and 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.920 subjected them to or overlooked them for. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.000 Or even if we didn't abuse and we overlooked them. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.040 They're being abused all this time. Let's see if we 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.760 can't support them. Plus, since all eyes are on black 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.760 people right now, it's the cool thing to do, right. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.320 So I believe there was some hearted people who you know, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.080 along with their education, got a little bit more awareness 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.760 or some smart capitalist because I don't want want benevolence 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.440 either or both. Yeah, and that's that's what I'm trying 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.160 to say. So you end up in this situation now 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:19.040 where people put together these uh diversity, equity and inclusion endeavors, 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.520 and you know what doesn't matter to us. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:26.640 We want results, right, We don't want talk. There's been talking. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.400 There was talking the sixties, talking, the seventies, eighties, nineties. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.000 You and I have spoken about this before. We want outcomes, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.160 outcomes there, and we can care. I care less about 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.600 your intentions than the outcomes. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:36.839 Right. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.520 So Nike promoted Colin Kaepernick when he was under attacked 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:45.880 by the right and by the NFL because he kneeled 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.000 against police brutality, and a lot of people thought that 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.840 was an unpopular thing to do for Nike to support 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.520 this man while he was, you know, in some people's eyes, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.320 bad for marketing or bad for pr. I don't know 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.720 if Nike was being benevolent, I don't know, but stepping 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.840 out like they did and supporting him in that moment 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.400 meant a lot to me. It didn't matter if it 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.240 was just so they could keep me as a customer. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.040 The out come meant this massive corporation, one of the 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.720 best in the history of retail, supporting a man that 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.880 was under fire for very very righteous beliefs, and it 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.679 stirred up a sort of loyalty with their customers. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:24.400 Right. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.200 Nike is on the feet of most professional athletes, and 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.200 in the major sports here, you know, football, the NFL, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.360 and the NBA being the most popular, the most popular, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.520 the most successful athletes in those sports are black. So 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.840 they not just had they didn't just have a fiscal 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.240 responsibility to their shareholders and to their customers, but all 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.400 of their partners, all of the athletes that represent the brand, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:52.400 lots of black Latino you know, Asian and LGBTQ athletes 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.440 have Nike swooshes on their feet and on their jerseys. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.160 So they had in their own heads of responsibility to 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.960 support the movement. But I think somebody in that room 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.479 also understood, hey, this could also be a good financial 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.319 move for us. I don't care which person's voice was heard, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.960 the outcome was still resounding support for someone who needed it. 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.120 Yeah, yeah, there's and I like that you said that 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.680 briefly For those that don't know Q and I, before 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.600 we did this show, we had a nonprofit where we 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.600 fed homeless people. We were part of hashtag lunch Bag, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.000 the global initiative to feed homeless folks, and we had 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.560 a chapter in our city under our own nonprofit, and 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.080 we would go out on the streets and there would 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.960 be people that would come out and feed people, and 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:39.559 they would do. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.720 It because it was a popular event. We had DJs. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.240 It was fun, it was something to get out of 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.800 the house on Sundays and they'd be out there taking 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.320 selfies and look what I did. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:47.760 I fed some homeless people today. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.440 And the truth of the matter is that we never 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.400 really pushed back on what people's intentions were because the 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.760 result was that people were being fed. We did our 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.240 best to protect the privacy of those who were on 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.400 the streets. We didn't want them to excuse me, be 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:10.079 subjected to any violations pr right. But for the people 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.480 that showed up to the actual event were putting the 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.280 sandwiches together, not the distribution part. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.720 For anybody that came there just to hang out, even. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.640 The people that didn't go to distribute, they just came 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.520 and helped pack hygiene kits or you know, clean up 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.600 shoes for us or whatever. As long as they came 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.200 and did the work. However it benefited them personally, how 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.040 whatever they wanted to get from it, that was not 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.200 our concern. Our concern was to make sure that we 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.680 were doing our best to support our unsheltered brothers and 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.240 sisters here in Arizona. It's hot in Arizona. People die 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.560 all the time just because it's too hot. They can't breathe. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.640 So we're trying to do something, and we were taking 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.080 all comers. So get I get your story about Nike. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.280 But here's where things get a little hairy. So I'm 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.480 gonna read a little bit more so. Diversity backlash puts 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.120 companies in a difficult position. Bowing to pressure from anti 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.920 diversity groups may cost them the goodwill they have tried 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:10.720 to cultivate among other consumers. Targets capital capitulation sorry to 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:16.280 conservative pressure earned it blowback from progressive activists. Backing down 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.080 can also con sorry, I'm gonna start. Backing down can 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.720 also encourage conservative activists to push their demands further. In 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:28.360 other words, if conservatives feel like they're gaining ground, they're 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.720 going to double and triple down. Right, this is how 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.080 we lost affirmative action, something that stood in the courts 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:38.200 for decades that really did impact outcomes for people, even 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.600 the people that are mad, even the Candace Owens of 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.320 the world, even the people that didn't like affirmative actions, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.200 they benefited from it. And it's on record them saying 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.600 that they benefited from it. For those that don't know, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.200 Candace Owns is somebody that I don't even need to 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.160 explain to you, So don't. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:53.520 Worry about it. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.840 So Supreme Court Justice, Oh yeah, Parence Thomas, Yeah yeah, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.360 also a beneficiary the affirmative action. I forgot about. I 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.960 forgot about that. Yeah, So all right, let me continue reading. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.000 While it might temporarily reduce the pressure on companies, giving 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.160 into anti diversity forces could hurt them over the long term. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.880 Demographics are changing. While with non whites making up an 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.720 increasing portion of the coveted youth market and legal protections 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:25.480 for LGBTQ plus Americans have broad support. Rooting out discrimination 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.800 and increasing access to opportunity is essential to ensuring a 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.640 rich talent pipeline, and for many individual managers and employees, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:39.120 anti discrimination is simply a moral imperative. Okay, So so 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:44.760 far we're talking about companies trying to put together DEI 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:49.840 initiatives making sure that black people are hired that they're. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.840 Promoted women, Yeah, Latin, Hispanic, Asian. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:17:00.360 Exactly, exactly, BIPOC people not having a C suite executive board, 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.840 all your senior vice presidents being white men. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.760 Yeah, just different diversity, yeah exactly. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:13.000 So again, these folks have leaned into these initiatives and 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.880 trying to get more voices in the room, a more 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:21.000 diverse set of people with more views and better insight 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.199 into how to penetrate different cultures, cultures and markets that 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.679 might be untapped, and just to be again a kind 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.119 and follow that moral imperative that the article is talking about. Right, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:41.200 So this is what was happening in one Well give 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.600 it a little bit of time, and the right pushes 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.879 back saying things like, well, DII training doesn't work. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.680 It's like preaching to the choir. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.919 The only people that participate in that are people that 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.040 you don't have to already don't have to worry about. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.600 And the people that aren't going to hear it aren't 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.760 going to hear, and people are going to be tone 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.560 deaf because it feels to them like reverse racism. We're 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.280 promoting these people specifically because they look like this or 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:09.840 they have this experience our. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.800 Same group making those claims supports and pushes for more 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.560 training for police, because of course police wouldn't have those 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.080 same implicit biases and turn the death are to something 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:26.800 that's going to cause corrections and behaviors. Same group arguing 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.800 for one, arguing against the other, exactly. 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.040 And I'm going to add to that real quick. I'm 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.920 going to add to that real quick, that police training 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.320 doesn't work. Please check out our last episode if you 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.960 missed it, where we talked about what you just said 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.639 right there, just to kind of make that live a 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:41.520 little bit more for you. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.639 And with the E programs, it's not just training there 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.080 and there are initiatives that have to be implemented. There 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.439 are measurable, deliverable outcomes that thank you to come as 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.639 a result of that training. It's not like, hey, just 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.320 be nice to your black coworker. You know, there's much 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:57.440 more substance behind that. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:58.360 Yeah, exactly. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:04.080 Again, it's not just hiring people, it's promoting people. It's 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:10.960 listening to people. It's incorporating authentic stories and perspectives into 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.040 your corporate culture culture. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.199 That's the way I was looking for. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.639 Thank you so again, with this pushback and a lot 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.640 of you know, the media, the right wing and far 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.239 right wing. Really the right wing is pretty far all 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.080 of it, because Fox News is yeah, yeah, Fox News 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.560 is pretty far. But you know, some of the stories 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.919 I've seen covered in these right wing media outlets really 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:44.280 try to suggest that DEI is something that only exists 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.040 so that the people who make money from it can 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.520 continue to make money from it. In other words, DEI speakers, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.360 DEI people that travel and like spend time with companies 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.840 to try to help them implement, develop and implement a 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.160 plan or a strategy that will be effective in and 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:06.119 reshaping their corporate identity and their corporate culture. Those people 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.280 only exist to continue to make money. That it's not 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.679 they're not effective, and there are no outcomes, and that 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.720 they cite the numbers. It's a three point six billion 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.920 dollar industry, so naturally these people want to keep it going, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.600 and it's not effective and it doesn't work, and it 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:22.000 results in blah blah blah. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.480 So exactly the same points could be used to support 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:30.520 initiatives against every industry on earth, exactly for profit capitalist society. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:36.000 That's the point exactly. So watch this. There's an article 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.240 that came out long before these pushbacks that really helps 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.640 quantify really what's at stake? And I'm gonna just kind 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.120 of share a little bit from you, but it comes 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:51.200 from NPR. The headline reads, cost of racism US economy 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.159 lost sixteen trillion. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:54.320 With a T. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.600 Remember we were talking three point six billion dollars. That's 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.840 what DEI, the industry, the DII industry is worth. But 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.680 the cost of racism US economy lost sixteen trillion because 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.560 of discrimination. Bank says, okay, so look the article up, 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.360 read it for yourself. But in short, this is because 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:18.560 of lawsuits, but more importantly, it's because of marketing blenders. Again, 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.399 there's corporate blind spots. When you don't have black people 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.399 in your room and you offend black people or Hispanic 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.080 people in the room, and then you spend offend Hispanic people, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.240 you spend money. Then you have to spend money making 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:30.680 it right. Then you have to respend the money to 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:32.639 try to penetrate those markets when they turned against you. 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.159 You have to say this before we go. 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.800 More than a thousand X lost on what it would 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.919 cost to continue to implement the training, more than a 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:44.879 thousand X and losses. 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.639 Racism is strong, White supremacy is and they need to 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:52.000 be real ride for it, riding for it. It's says 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:53.439 sixteen trillion with the tea. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.119 And there's people that's riding for it, act like they 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.040 didn't even know that number was true, and I'm sure 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.480 that they do. But we are going to leave you 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.399 with that and leave that right there. So once again, 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.280 i'd like to thank you for tuning in the civic cipher. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.000 I'm your host, Ramsey's job. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.320 He is Ramsey's joh I am q Ward and we 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.919 just equally learned that racism is stronger than capitalism. 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.800 That's crazy. 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:21.120 Well, that's crazy, yeah, yeah, man, it's it's a it's 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.560 a it's an interesting world to be born into, to 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.120 be born be be born black and have to make 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:28.760 a go of it. And then if we try to 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.600 bring attention to something, people say we're playing the victim. 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.160 We have a victim mentality, and no, this is our reality. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:35.720 You think we want to live like this, You think 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.119