WEBVTT - Who needs to step up for the Pirates in the 2nd half?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Territory, presented to

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<v Speaker 2>you by the Foul Territory Network.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Noah Hiles.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me as always are my co hosts Josh Harrison

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<v Speaker 2>and Platinum Key aka Mark. It's Friday, July seventeenth. The

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<v Speaker 2>Pirates second half of the regular season is about to

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<v Speaker 2>get underway.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a three game weekend series.

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<v Speaker 2>In Cleveland against the Guardians, a lot of interesting things

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<v Speaker 2>to get into this show will be our second half

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<v Speaker 2>of the season preview where we're gonna break down some storylines,

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<v Speaker 2>some guys that we need to see more from in

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<v Speaker 2>the second half, and we'll obviously round out our Friday

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<v Speaker 2>show the same way we always do with our weekly segment.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Hay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, So, guys, we're gonna start off like I said

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<v Speaker 2>in this first segment.

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<v Speaker 1>Who steps Up?

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of moving pieces to a baseball team,

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<v Speaker 2>especially a baseball team that's looking to sneak its way

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<v Speaker 2>into the postseason, and that's what the Pirates are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a team knocking on the door. They're a team

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<v Speaker 2>three games above five hundred at the time of this recording,

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<v Speaker 2>and a team a couple of games out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Wildcard race.

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<v Speaker 1>So with all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Being said, we've seen a whole bunch of guys step

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<v Speaker 2>up so far.

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<v Speaker 1>When I ask you who's a player that you need to.

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<v Speaker 2>See more from in the second half in order for

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<v Speaker 2>this team to reach the next level, who's the first

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<v Speaker 2>guy that comes to mind, We'll start with Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, first guy that comes to mind is Henry Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw him really starting to step up in like

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<v Speaker 3>his last like fifteen games or so, right before the

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<v Speaker 3>All Star break, especially with Andy Rodriguez heading into the

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<v Speaker 3>injured list. Henry took that opportunity and showed something with

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<v Speaker 3>his bat. Finally looked like the bat that the Pirates

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<v Speaker 3>had drafted. Obviously, it's been a short sample, but if

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<v Speaker 3>Henry can continue to do that in the second half,

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<v Speaker 3>that will just help this team so so much. Because

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<v Speaker 3>this offense has been productive without his bet providing much

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<v Speaker 3>of anything. So anything that you're getting above, like a

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred ops from Henry Davis is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>icing on the cake and just help this team get

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<v Speaker 3>a couple more wins.

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<v Speaker 4>Possibly.

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<v Speaker 3>We know what he can do defensively, we know what

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<v Speaker 3>he can do calling games, So no issues there. But

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<v Speaker 3>if he can keep hitting the ball, that would be

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<v Speaker 3>such such a help, especially if it helps the Pirates

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<v Speaker 3>not have to address Catcher at the trade deadline. And

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like should be back pretty soon after the

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<v Speaker 3>All Star break, so it doesn't sound like that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a lingering issue. But yeah, it's if Henry

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<v Speaker 3>steps up, this team has a whole other gear to

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<v Speaker 3>get to.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that pick from you, Mark for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>One, like you said, Andy's going to be back, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you got to remember, this is the most

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<v Speaker 2>baseball Dy has played quite some time, and it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to end up being the most major League baseball

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<v Speaker 2>he's played in his life when we're all said and

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<v Speaker 2>done in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I'm not rooting for the guy to slow down

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<v Speaker 2>or anything, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect

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<v Speaker 2>Andy to hit a lull at some point this season

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<v Speaker 2>just because he's he hasn't put his body through this.

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<v Speaker 1>Long of a grind for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you can get what you've got from Henry

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<v Speaker 2>Davis over these last fifteen games he's played, where he's

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<v Speaker 2>hit three home runs, he's driven in ten, he's walked

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<v Speaker 2>four times and only struck out six. He's slashed two

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three, three sixty eight, five sixty seven. If you

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<v Speaker 2>get that from Henry Davis who for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, or even a lesser version of that, like

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<v Speaker 2>if you can just get him to slash two fifty,

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<v Speaker 2>an on base percentage of three fifty and a slug

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<v Speaker 2>of like four hundred to five hundred, especially that that

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<v Speaker 2>is a very very good catching platoon between him and

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an insane influx.

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<v Speaker 2>Of value compared to what you got from him for

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<v Speaker 2>the bulk of his first half. So if Henry Davis

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<v Speaker 2>can do that at the plate, you really don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a bad option at catcher, which I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 2>last time I said that. Yeah, so that's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>huge pick for you. I like that one, Josh, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I definitely agree. There's no secret that we've spoke on

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<v Speaker 5>it before. But it just shows how valuable he can

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<v Speaker 5>be to a team that is already doing good offensively

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<v Speaker 5>when he does show up better than what he was giving,

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<v Speaker 5>and that just makes your team that much stronger. Because

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<v Speaker 5>you know, all offenses talk about being tough one through nine,

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<v Speaker 5>and realistically we'll say that they weren't tough one through nine.

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<v Speaker 4>But with the way he's sworn at the.

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<v Speaker 5>Last fifteen games or so, it definitely takes it back

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<v Speaker 5>to say, okay him platoon as you mentioned with Indy

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<v Speaker 5>when he gets back healthy, it is definitely something that

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<v Speaker 5>makes your often stronger and also makes your defense stronger

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<v Speaker 5>because you're scoring more runs.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh, help, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well I'll answer both of these questions. Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 5>my guy would be Mitch Keller. I know this off season,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of you know, trade talks ROMed around him

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<v Speaker 5>preseason then going through the season, and obviously we know

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<v Speaker 5>we highlighted him I think a couple episodes ago and

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<v Speaker 5>talked about maybe this All Star break being kind of

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<v Speaker 5>that like reset button for him and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>kind of flipping the script as opposed to what's happened,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, previous in his career where he kind of

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<v Speaker 5>hits you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, a little low and kind of falls off.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm looking at it as you know, a little reset

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<v Speaker 5>after All Star Break and then knowing that you got

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<v Speaker 5>this offense. It's no secret that if Mitch pitches, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to what he's capable of, where he's eating innings, going

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<v Speaker 5>six innings and handing the ball over to the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 5>And given quality starts, this team is gonna be that

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<v Speaker 5>much better because you already know Paul, you know Ashcraft,

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<v Speaker 5>as you mentioned, Bubb's getting better, Jared his I think.

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<v Speaker 4>His previous alt went six. You know, when you're firing,

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<v Speaker 4>when you're firing on all cylinders. I think pitching is something.

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<v Speaker 5>That you really don't want to waiver, you know, on

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<v Speaker 5>this teeter totter, because if you once you get to

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<v Speaker 5>the place play playoffs, postseason, sometimes offenses going to a

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<v Speaker 5>little law. But if you got pitching staff that is

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<v Speaker 5>keeping you in games, it allows, you know, offense that

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<v Speaker 5>may be struggling to get that you know timely ending

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<v Speaker 5>where they put pressure on the other team and get

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<v Speaker 5>that time to you know double one, a gap or something.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think Mitch is gonna be big for the

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<v Speaker 5>starting staff because you know what Paul and those other

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<v Speaker 5>guys are bringing. So for me, I'd really like to

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<v Speaker 5>see Mitch step up and hopefully this All Star break

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<v Speaker 5>was a nice reset for him.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you guys think?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, uh, Mitch Keller's been through a lot of bad baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>He's suffered through a lot of bad baseball teams. The

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<v Speaker 3>players finally have a chance to be good. He's the

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<v Speaker 3>veteran on this in this starting rotation. He needs to

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<v Speaker 3>step up. He needs to be the guy that puts

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<v Speaker 3>his foot down and says, you know what, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the year that we're actually going to be a good

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<v Speaker 3>baseball team and make the postseason. He has that chance

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. So, yeah, in the second half, we

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<v Speaker 3>need to see Mitch Keller improve, be better and be

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<v Speaker 3>the veteran ace and not ace, but the veteran starter

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<v Speaker 3>in this rotation that can go out and be that

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<v Speaker 3>Chad Inians here, like you said, Josh, So he's got

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<v Speaker 3>quite the opportunity right in front of him. So I'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to see Mitch Keller show off that veteran leadership

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<v Speaker 3>and sees on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just to kind of follow up on everything

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<v Speaker 2>Mark said, it's you just need to get something from Mitch,

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<v Speaker 2>and if it can't work in the starting rotation, then

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he goes to the bullpen and gives you an

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<v Speaker 2>answer there. Because he can't throw a wide pitch mix

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Maybe if you simplify it and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we just need you to cover the seventh today, We

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<v Speaker 2>only need you to throw two pitches.

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<v Speaker 1>They need that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they could use Mitch Keller the starter a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more than Mitch Keller the seventh inning reliever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Mitch doesn't want to be that guy. But

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<v Speaker 2>you got to find a way to contribute somehow, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you know, if it ain't your year, it ain't

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<v Speaker 2>your year.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Mitch Keller has done enough this year, even as bad

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<v Speaker 2>as he's been, to completely give up on a moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've seen other great pitchers, guys with resumes far

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<v Speaker 2>better than Mitches, take a back seat or a lesser

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<v Speaker 2>role while their team is on a heater and they

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<v Speaker 2>still find a way to contribute. I mean Tim Linscom

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<v Speaker 2>did it, Barry Zito did it on those great Giants

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<v Speaker 2>teams who had other pitchers, and it's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not my year right now, And both of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys ended up rebounding and having a great season later.

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<v Speaker 1>On after accepting those lesser roles.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not suggesting that's what Mitch needs to do,

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<v Speaker 2>but if he does, like I don't see anything wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with that. I'm gonna go ahead and name mine. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's another guy in the starting rotation. It's Jared Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked Jared over Mitch just because Jared at his

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<v Speaker 2>best has the second highest ceiling that we've seen in

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<v Speaker 2>the Major leagues on this rotation. What Jared Jones did

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<v Speaker 2>in April and May of twenty twenty four, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>best two months pitching stretch that any pitcher in this

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<v Speaker 2>rotation has had not named Paul Steins, yep. Mitch Keller

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<v Speaker 2>at his best never looked as good as Jared Jones

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<v Speaker 2>did his first two months in the major leagues. Brax

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<v Speaker 2>and Ashcraft has looked really damn good. He never looked

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Jones level dominant. Now, the whole thing with Jared

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<v Speaker 2>is obviously sustainability.

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<v Speaker 1>Can he stay healthy? Can he continue to stack that up?

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<v Speaker 2>And there's always been something that he's had to deal with,

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<v Speaker 2>be it an injury or a pitch count, or an

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<v Speaker 2>thing's limit or a workload restriction something, and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to continue dealing with that. But if Jared Jones

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<v Speaker 2>can return to first half twenty twenty four, Jared Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Mitch Keller still matters obviously, but my god,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the best one two three punch in baseball. YEP,

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<v Speaker 2>with Paul continuing to trend upward, and Paul is the

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<v Speaker 2>most important player on this team in the second half,

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<v Speaker 2>but we all know that he needs to step up

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<v Speaker 2>and Brax and Ashcraft.

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<v Speaker 1>You have two all stars already.

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<v Speaker 2>If Jared Jones, who has the upside of an All Star,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can get that from your third guy, even

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<v Speaker 2>with an innings restriction, if he can give you six

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<v Speaker 2>strong every night, if he can give you a quality

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<v Speaker 2>start three to four times a month and his five outings,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a very difficult baseball team

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<v Speaker 2>to beat in a three game series.

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<v Speaker 1>And it starts on Friday against the Cleveland Guardians.

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<v Speaker 4>So I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything to add on, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think you've got that covered perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, So we're gonna take a quick break

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back. Second half questions that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to see answered from the Pittsburgh Pirates here, I'm Bucko Territory.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, second half questions. Things that we need to

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<v Speaker 2>see improved. We mentioned individuals. Now, let's talk about storylines,

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<v Speaker 2>something that we would like to see either resolved, improved,

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<v Speaker 2>or really just anything that pertains to this team and

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<v Speaker 2>getting better and reaching the postseason by the time October arrives.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll start us off here. I for my storyline, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go with Marcelo Zuna. How much longer is this

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<v Speaker 2>guy gonna be here? In a couple of weeks, Spencer

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<v Speaker 2>Horowitz will be back, O'Neil Cruz will be back as

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin Valdez has been everything that you hoped Marcello Zuna

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<v Speaker 2>would be. His production has exceeded Marcelo Zuna in about

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<v Speaker 2>a third of the opportunity. Tyler Tyler Callahan has been

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<v Speaker 2>a solid bench player. Jake Mangam has been one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most valuable fourth outfielders in Major League Baseball, a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who probably still deserves to be in the starting

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<v Speaker 2>lineup every day. Jared Triolo is a Gold Glove utility defender.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your bench right now. Oh and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Davis is slashing what we just said you was

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<v Speaker 2>slashing over the last fifteen games. He's your backup catcher.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a lot of position player depth. I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>curious to see if they do the right thing and

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<v Speaker 2>just say, hey, these guys are helping us win, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're helping us win more and just admit that Ozuna

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the right move.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, do you think that that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's gotta be close. It's you never really

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<v Speaker 3>want to say, like, oh, time to give up on

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<v Speaker 3>the guy, But at this point, we have just so

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<v Speaker 3>many better options on the bench. And yeah, they made

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<v Speaker 3>a significant investment into this guy, but it just hurts

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<v Speaker 3>this team more than anything. So maybe you have him

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<v Speaker 3>like DH against left handed pitching for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>but you just can't keep a bench slot with the

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<v Speaker 3>options that are available otherwise. So I think it's as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as either Horwitz or O'Neal gets back, you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to say he's lasted longer than you

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<v Speaker 5>know we've anticipated.

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<v Speaker 4>We obviously know injuries have probably helped his case.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say stick around, just from a standpoint, you

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<v Speaker 5>didn't really have many options to go down into. But

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<v Speaker 5>that is a storyline that I think will catch some

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<v Speaker 5>steam as guys start to get healthy, because as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 5>you're at that point of season where you have to

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<v Speaker 5>justify it and if you're serious about winning and riding

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<v Speaker 5>this momentum, you might have to cut ties with.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what is dragging you down.

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<v Speaker 5>And not to say he's dragging him down, but he

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't really helped much. And you know, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 5>guy that likes to talk about guys not producing, because

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<v Speaker 5>I know how hard this game is. But at the

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<v Speaker 5>same time, I've also been a guy who's been designated

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<v Speaker 5>myself when my last year with the Phillies, I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>really get the I think I might have had one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred at bats going into August, so even then hard

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<v Speaker 5>to get ab.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you don't have abs, just as you.

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<v Speaker 5>Mentioned before the break, there were moments where he wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>even in the lineup, so you got to make decisions

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<v Speaker 5>that sometimes aren't easy. But at the same time, if

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<v Speaker 5>you're trying to make a team better, it's necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>When it's hard to find a player who you deserve

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<v Speaker 2>more playing time, then then you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't deserve to be on the roster. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Mark mentioned, maybe batting him as a DH against lefties.

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<v Speaker 2>Why in the world would that not be as Merlin

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<v Speaker 2>vald does right, and O'Neill's healthy and you're already crowded

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<v Speaker 2>for outfield spots, Like, how in the world do you

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<v Speaker 2>justify playing him ahead of as Merlin val does. There's

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<v Speaker 2>just nothing you could do to justify that. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>my storyline, Josh, what about you.

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<v Speaker 4>Mine kind of ties into yours.

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<v Speaker 5>It was the lineup construction because obviously we know guys

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<v Speaker 5>are being healthy, and it was honestly saying that you

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<v Speaker 5>know that DH spot is you know, deserving of you

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<v Speaker 5>know s Merlin against lefties, and then you know, when

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<v Speaker 5>the righty's there, you can kind of rotate, rotate that

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<v Speaker 5>with whether so hearn or you know, b Ray. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>because as you mentioned, Mangum's played well enough to where

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<v Speaker 5>you want to keep them in a lineup, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if that's gonna put O'Hearn or or Reynolds at d H,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, that slides Mangum into the outfield, which makes

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<v Speaker 5>your defense better. And at the same time we've talked

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<v Speaker 5>about it, these guys have seized, you know, the opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>that's been in front of them. Same thing with Nick Gonzalez.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he's a guy that has been, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>kind of the main state this year. That's been a

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<v Speaker 5>pleasant surprise for the Pirates when coming into spring training

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<v Speaker 5>was figuring out, you know, how is this guy going

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<v Speaker 5>to get at bats? We knew he was gonna get

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<v Speaker 5>at bats, but just win where So my thing is,

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<v Speaker 5>you're starting to catch that momentum when these guys get

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<v Speaker 5>back healthy. Horowitz, you know, O'Neill, you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 5>make a decision, and we've kind of already hit on

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<v Speaker 5>that with you know, the Marcelle storyline. I think that

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<v Speaker 5>gets answered here pretty soon, because one way or another,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't you can't stay in the middle. You got

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<v Speaker 5>to make a decision, especially if you're trying to win,

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<v Speaker 5>and all indications points towards the guys in that clubhouse

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<v Speaker 5>trying to win, and I'm sure everybody up top is

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<v Speaker 5>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just as far as the lineup, I have just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that I'm curious to see. One,

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<v Speaker 2>how you get Valdez consistent at bats right because he

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<v Speaker 2>plays right field, he can play first base, although I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they want to play and there's no reason

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<v Speaker 2>to play him at first base because they've got three

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<v Speaker 2>guys now with Jacob Gonzalez here as well, who can

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<v Speaker 2>play in treolo, Like he's like your fifth option at

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<v Speaker 2>first base as far as overall that, Yeah, so there's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. He is. Yeah, But then it's like, where

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<v Speaker 2>do you play o'hearen.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play o'hearan?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, then you're playing Spencer at first And that

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<v Speaker 2>goes into my second thing. How much time do we

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<v Speaker 2>see O'Neil Cruz playing center field?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That's another thing where it's if you're getting valdezit bats,

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<v Speaker 2>where are you playing O'Neill because are you sacrificing.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Ngum's defense? Are you taking that out of the equation.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Mangum's also like hitting over three hundred, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>playing a lot as well. Just the outfield construction as

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<v Speaker 2>a whole, you've got five guys, assuming Spencer's the everyday

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<v Speaker 2>first baseman, Between O'Hearn, Valdez, Reynolds, Mangum and Cruz, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got five guys who should be playing every day and

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<v Speaker 2>one of them can play dh but one of them

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<v Speaker 2>is going to have to sit, and in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>you keep everyone fresh but in another way, you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of putting someone who. I mean, Cruz and Spencer are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously coming back, but the rest of those guys I

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<v Speaker 2>just named Lao or oh ohhearn excuse me, Mangum.

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<v Speaker 1>Valdez, Reynolds, all those guys. Those are probably your hottest.

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<v Speaker 2>Four hitters outside of Nick Gonzalez, so that'll be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And the third guy, the third O, there's four excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob Gonzalez. How much run does he get it short?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he become your primary shortstop in the second half

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<v Speaker 2>or is it Triolo? Because the fourth thing I had,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as lineup construction, something I'd like to see.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see Jared Triolo be the primary

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<v Speaker 2>starting third baseman when Paul Skins witches from.

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<v Speaker 1>Here on album.

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<v Speaker 2>I like just because of his issues with holding runners

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<v Speaker 2>on base, the left on base percentage being so much

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<v Speaker 2>higher this or so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Lower, I should say this year compared to last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I want the best defense possible for Paul Skins when

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<v Speaker 2>he's on the mound so he can continue to dance

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<v Speaker 2>out of jams like he's always been able to. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that means Gonzalez, Jacob Gonzalez at shortstop,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jared Triolo at third base until Con Griffin's healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are my four things. Triolo getting starts at

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<v Speaker 2>third just when Paul pitches, and if Henry Davis is hitting,

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<v Speaker 2>then you know you're not necessarily getting that week of

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<v Speaker 2>a lineup with both of them starting. Jacob Gonzalez, how

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<v Speaker 2>much run does he get a short cruise, how much

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<v Speaker 2>run does he get in center field? And how in

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<v Speaker 2>the world do you find it bats for as Merlin

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<v Speaker 2>val does anything to add on the lineup stuff? Mark

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<v Speaker 2>or do you want to just give your point?

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<v Speaker 3>No, just great problem to have. And my final second

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<v Speaker 3>half question here to round this out is what do

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<v Speaker 3>the Pirates do with Krmen Macginski. He's having a great year,

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<v Speaker 3>he's super valuable, and they the way they use him

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<v Speaker 3>after they moved him to the bullpen just minimize all

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<v Speaker 3>the value that he has. And so I want to

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<v Speaker 3>see how that adjusts. Is he going to rejoin the

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<v Speaker 3>starting rotation, is he going to be pitched in high

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<v Speaker 3>leverage situations? Is he going to be traded? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>what are they going to do with Krmen Macginski? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. Maybe that question gets answered with injuries. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he'll pitching, an injury will happen in the rotation

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<v Speaker 3>and he gets bumped in and it's not even a

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<v Speaker 3>big storyline. But the way things stand right now, that

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<v Speaker 3>feels like a big question going in the second half

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<v Speaker 3>is are you going to continue to just have him

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stay stretched out pitching these like long relief outings,

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<v Speaker 3>or are you gonna use him like a reliever or

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<v Speaker 3>put him back in the rotation. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if we'll get any clarity too soon on that, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's I think it's going to be lingering in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of my head at least as the second half progresses.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's a good question because you just mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of options for him, so that options are endless.

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<v Speaker 5>But at some point, just like I said with the lineup,

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna have to go a direction because you can't

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<v Speaker 5>have this guy stretched out that can help the team

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<v Speaker 5>that is just not really pitching in situations where you

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<v Speaker 5>know some might have lined up Like, Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think think about the second half. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that these stories are gonna end up writing themselves. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just a matter of how soon. But I do like

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<v Speaker 5>that question because you know, there were questions about him

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<v Speaker 5>when he first got moved to the pen, and here

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<v Speaker 5>we are still asking those same questions because it really

0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.720
<v Speaker 5>hasn't been a definitive answer, and that you threw a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of things out there, you know, possible injuries, possible

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<v Speaker 5>trade you know, hey, we're going to use you in

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<v Speaker 5>short innings or you know we are going to keep

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<v Speaker 5>you stretched out. Lots of questions, but obviously a guy

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<v Speaker 5>that can help the team and help a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>other teams as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the that's the key point with Carmen.

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<v Speaker 2>He is where their internal improvement starts getting more value

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<v Speaker 2>from him, because it's not like you need to see

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<v Speaker 2>him be better. Maybe may be a better teammate, but

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<v Speaker 2>like as far as production, he's been really good.

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<v Speaker 4>He has.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of their top five starters. He's their best

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<v Speaker 2>a point where he can help you win more. He

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<v Speaker 2>is their key to internal improvement on the mount, either

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<v Speaker 2>in the bullpen or the rotation. So we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>another quick break when we come back. Jay Haynow will

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Jay Hay, now here we go, there we go?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say?

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<v Speaker 4>Thing of stuck?

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<v Speaker 5>That's my back from All Star Break, Dan's when that

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<v Speaker 5>beat dropped. So here we are with j now, and

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<v Speaker 5>what I might say right here it might make you

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<v Speaker 5>want to dance because it's stemmed off some comments that

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<v Speaker 5>came from the Futures game my segments. Just a quick

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<v Speaker 5>hitter on seth Hernandez throwing the filler out there, letting

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<v Speaker 5>the pirates know. It was pretty electric coming, you know

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<v Speaker 5>and pitching, you know, out of the pen. So if

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<v Speaker 5>you need me, you know, I'm ready. Here we are,

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<v Speaker 5>I think nineteen or twenty years old. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 5>obviously got electric stuff, and that's that's I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>pretty cool that he's, you know, letting them know, like

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I'm a starter and you guys won't be

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<v Speaker 5>stretched out, but y'all got something going special and if

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<v Speaker 5>I can help the team now, I'm willing to help

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<v Speaker 5>the team. And a bull pin and you know, looking

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<v Speaker 5>at the future stuff. I even think one of the

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<v Speaker 5>guys that was facing like, man, that's nasty, but just

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<v Speaker 5>watching it, it's hard not to like what you see.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just thought that was pretty cool because we

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<v Speaker 5>talked about highlighting some of the futures and the All

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<v Speaker 5>Star Break and I thought it was pretty cool because

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<v Speaker 5>you have a pretty talented arm that's telling the Pirates, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>if you need some help in the book, then here

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<v Speaker 5>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's pretty cool. Pirates.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you really listen, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 5>you are, but I don't know how much you're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>entertain it. But I like that from the young man,

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<v Speaker 5>So that that was kind of my ja hay now

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<v Speaker 5>segment was something refreshing and looking to help this team.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, man, you just gotta love Hernandez. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>those comments, but also just he's so valuable to this

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<v Speaker 3>team as far as reloading after if Paul Skins does leave,

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<v Speaker 3>you have another ace right there in the wings waiting

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<v Speaker 3>who's going to have a ton of team control, open

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<v Speaker 3>up a lot of possibilities. So I think Seth Hernandez

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<v Speaker 3>is probably the one untouchable on my prospect list for

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<v Speaker 3>the Pirates this year. Yeah, you want to go in

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<v Speaker 3>and this is the opportunity to win, but this kid

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<v Speaker 3>is so so important to the future of this franchise.

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<v Speaker 3>So love seeing that, and it would be absolutely electric

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<v Speaker 3>if he came up in September. I don't anticipate that happening,

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<v Speaker 3>but man panc would be going crazy seeing him come

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<v Speaker 3>out of the bullpen, so love him throwing that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>However, I can help us win, that's the attitude as

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<v Speaker 2>I have. And if it means developing in the minor

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<v Speaker 2>league so I can help us win next year, then

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<v Speaker 2>that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>But just so you know I'm here.

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<v Speaker 2>You need me, That's the perfect way for him to

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<v Speaker 2>handle it. It's the biggest platform he's been offered since

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<v Speaker 2>he's been drafted, getting to pitch on a national stage,

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<v Speaker 2>getting some national attention as a top prospect in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>He handled that very well.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pirates should feel very good about this young man,

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<v Speaker 2>both who he is on and off the mountain. So

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<v Speaker 3>Just ready for baseball to start. It's so excited, can't wait.

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<v Speaker 4>Good, go to Cleveland and get started.

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