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Speaker 1: And this is that week where you put up twenty

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Speaker 1: six points in offense plus a kick return touchdown for

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Speaker 1: the special teams. And so for me, the Pollyanna side

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Speaker 1: against this team, and you did so, and you did

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Speaker 1: it in a variety of ways. It's not a one

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Speaker 1: off thing. This is where it can. I can get

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Speaker 1: himself three, four or five returns in a game. He

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Speaker 1: will eventually break one. And that was a good and

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Speaker 1: it was a good change him. What's going on? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: Gabe Henderson. In studio with me inside the TCO Radio

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Speaker 1: studio is Jay Nelson and Pete Bursi. Tatum Everett cannot

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Speaker 1: make it today. Producer Eric Davison is here, however, and

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Speaker 1: his fantasy team he had. I haven't asked him, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure his fantasy team is doing really well. But

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Speaker 1: here we are after a baby bye week. The Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Vikings nine and two are are feeling rested. I would say,

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Speaker 1: you look at last Thursday's matchup against the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and going into that game, a lot of people were expecting, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll put it this way, a lot of people did

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Speaker 1: not know what to expect. Losing forty to three against

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys four days prior to that game. What

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings did of putting up over four hundred

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Speaker 1: total yards and justin Jefferson, Kirk Cousins, both of those

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Speaker 1: guys having a day. Pete, I'm gonna start with you,

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Speaker 1: what did you make out of that game? I know

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Speaker 1: we've had a few days to ponder it since we

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Speaker 1: didn't play this past Sunday, but what did you make

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Speaker 1: of that game? Coming after this Dallas Cowboys lost. No,

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Speaker 1: you bring up a number of good points. I mean, football,

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Speaker 1: as in life, is not what happens to you. How

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Speaker 1: you react to it. Putting up three points against Dallas

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Speaker 1: and you know, doing what they did offensively, was was

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Speaker 1: you know, getting a chance to talk to Kirk earlier

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Speaker 1: the first time that they were able to gel right.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, There's a lot that Cousins

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Speaker 1: were able to execute it at a higher level than

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Speaker 1: let's say they normally do. The running game wasn't great,

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Speaker 1: but it was good enough to keep the play action

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Speaker 1: if it's today were you're only efficient again because the

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Speaker 1: Patriots had a pretty darn good front, you're able to

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Speaker 1: capitalize on that and do different things defensively. You know,

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Speaker 1: still too many mistakes, too many would appear to be

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Speaker 1: But they tightened things up right at the end when

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Speaker 1: They we were just lucky that our offense was able

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Speaker 1: look at Mac Jones and his numbers going into this

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had what fifty two yards rushing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: The one thing for me that was actually really nice

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Speaker 1: There wasn't many drop back passes or many play action

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Speaker 1: I think you brought this up earlier this morning, Pete.

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Speaker 1: further than that. I think you look at what happened.

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Speaker 1: they blitz going into last week, they blitz the second

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Speaker 1: you know, the defense is out there, they give up

430
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Speaker 1: a touchdown, you know, you're out there for a couple

431
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 1: You're out there for a while, and then that's the downside.

432
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,680
Speaker 1: Maybe if there is one you get a kickoff return

433
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, the defense is like, yeah, hell yeah,

434
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: get back out you know, here we go. We'll do

435
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 1: it again. You gotta get back out there. It's like,

436
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: oh boy, yeah yeah, So that's not what you want,

437
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: you know. So despite the Patriots having a couple of

438
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 1: offensive series in a row, let's just call it that,

439
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: time and possession didn't get didn't get too far away

440
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 1: from us, Unlike like against Dallas it was twenty minutes

441
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: to forty minutes. It was just it was insane the

442
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,719
Speaker 1: amount of time that that defense was on the field.

443
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 1: And guys, from a game to game basis, you're like, yeah,

444
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, but if if you consistently run ten fifteen

445
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: more plays on defense weekend and week out, six or

446
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 1: seven games, you know, it's sixty seventy eighty more plays.

447
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: That's another game or two. It was essentially thirty six

448
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: twenty four for the game for time possession. Yeah, so

449
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 1: you're adding a lot more snaps, you know, your defense

450
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: or your offense, we're depending on whatever it is you're

451
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 1: you're adding more snaps. And I think defensively, offensively, more

452
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: snaps is usually better because as as you've seen on

453
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 1: any game, the more snaps and offense gets, the better

454
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: they get. Defensively, it wears you out, and you don't

455
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 1: want to have a defense that has two more games

456
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 1: under their belt from a play standpoint as you get

457
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 1: toward the playoffs. And I think one of the other

458
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 1: stats that just jumped out to me too from that

459
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: game was when you look at it says first downs

460
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 1: from penalties, the Vikings had five, the Patriots head zero.

461
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: Like those those things of playing discipline football and making

462
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: sure that you're doing the little things to not shoot

463
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: yourself in the foot like that is a huge stat

464
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 1: I think from this game as the five first downs

465
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: from penalties, Yeah, it helps, I mean it helps, and

466
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about what things that stand

467
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: out from a you look at the numbers of the game,

468
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: and I mean mac Jones was struggling mightily, and then

469
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: you know they had they had two hundred and twenty

470
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: four passing yards I believe in the in the games beforehand,

471
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: and they eclipsed that sometime I think in the third quarter,

472
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: second quarter, and he has three eighty two for the game, right,

473
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: I mean that's so it's like, Okay, that's that's a

474
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: little disturbing. Well, when you turn on the film of

475
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: the Jets, um as we move forward, Mike White, who

476
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: probably is going to be their starting quarterback this upcoming Sunday,

477
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 1: following a three touchdown game from hundred and fifteen yards

478
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: against the Chicago Bears, what's left of the Bears? That

479
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: that's the two that's going to be interesting because the

480
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: second time you play the Bears is gonna be a

481
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: completely different team. Well speaking everybody who are these games right,

482
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: well speaking up, it might be a completely different team

483
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: for us too. You got to think about, you know,

484
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: really like our offensive line. No, I'm just saying as

485
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: far as like we might have clinched the division, but

486
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: as far as like you know, health wise. I mean

487
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: we're you look at the NFC North Stand. So so

488
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that you're when we go to Chicago,

489
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: that you're Saturday night schedule is gonna go. It was

490
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: back at the hotel by ten thirty. Now it's back

491
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: at the hotel by three thirty. Is that what you're

492
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: trying to tell me? PM, Yeah, maybe show up for

493
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: the game around Chicago. Like I said to Pa earlier,

494
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: you walk in you know the old the new. The

495
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: new Soldier Field is built inside the old Soldier Field.

496
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: And by the old Soldier Field, I mean the original

497
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: Soldier Field that the most people to ever watch a

498
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: football game was in. Soldier Field is a Catholic League championship.

499
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: They had one hundred and thirty thousand people in there

500
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: and in the house. Well what I say, the one

501
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: that we grew up with when they had turf and

502
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: everything there. They had the one end zone that was

503
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: straight and the other one was curved, so it looked

504
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: like a like a like a paper clip that was

505
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: cut in half. And the buses used to pull in

506
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: on the flat side and you would look up and

507
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: you would see wooden bleachers that were there and that

508
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean that field used to look like Darlington Raceway, sure,

509
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: or not Darlington, but uh, you know Richmond or whatever.

510
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: It was like it was just this this humongous circle

511
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: and it was flattened and anyway, but you walk in

512
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: and we go buy all their cars, right, if you

513
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: walk to the booth, you have to walk around. And

514
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: then they had their parking line in there, and and

515
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: what what Gabe's saying is that they'll be double wide

516
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: with U hauls all parked in there, which they'll leave

517
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: running during the game. Right, so you you know your

518
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: diesel fuel doesn't gel because it's gonna be January. And

519
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: so thanks, Okay, I appreciate that. I got I'll uh,

520
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to rethink what I'm gonna do for

521
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: the Bears. Guy. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying. I mean,

522
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: we we have a five game lead in the NFC

523
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: North and there were six games left in the season.

524
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: So however you want to overthink that or underthink that

525
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: there's opportunities for our backups to play that final across

526
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: step bridge when I get there. That's true, that's true.

527
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: You know what the magic the magic formulas for this week,

528
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: right when if we went into Trait loses, then we clinch.

529
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah, but if we beat

530
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: Detroit next week also if Detroit wins. Min'm just saying, like,

531
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: if you want to clinch this week, if we beat

532
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: the Jets and Detroit loses, we clinch. Well, it's a

533
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: hierarchy it needs. And that's I'm sure. I mean, I

534
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: haven't sat in any team meetings, but that's kind of

535
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: what you What you say is is at some point

536
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the year, you're like, Okay, these

537
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: are our goals. Our first first goal is to win

538
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: the division. Next goal is to be the number one seed, right,

539
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: and then you know, host playoff games, the whole thing.

540
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: So you track the goals that you have and it's like, okay, guys,

541
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: we're you know, we got this, we got the first

542
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: one almost out of the way, right, but we're still

543
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: chasing the big prize or we're still you know, we're

544
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: still chasing home NFC championship game, right and then obviously

545
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: getting the Super Bowl and everything else. So, which is

546
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: why it kind of baffled me that fans were cheering

547
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagle or cheering for the Green Bay

548
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Packers versus the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday Night Football last night.

549
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: Why they were why they were, I'm like, let's win

550
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: the division first, Like, let the Eagles beat them, come in.

551
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: That's what that was. The other way, I was you,

552
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: I mean, the best thing for the Vikings if you

553
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: take a step back, is dad the Packers win. Yeah right.

554
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: And you you said you were number Yeah I was,

555
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: I was. I was, honestly, I was what you just said,

556
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: you have your goals of like, Okay, let's get one

557
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: thing done at a time, Like I just wanted to

558
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: get the Packers out the way first. Every time. Every

559
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: every time Philadelphia or Dallas loses, that's good because if

560
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: it does come, we don't have we lose the tiebreaker

561
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: on both all of them. Yeah right. So it's like

562
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: anytime either one of those teams lose, that's a good thing.

563
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Whoever's playing them, you know, they you hope they win.

564
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 1: I understand what Jay saying. I mean, it's it's not

565
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: like you can root for the Packers. It's hard, it's tough.

566
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: But at the same point, I was looking at the

567
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: bigger prize of if you're chasing that number one seed,

568
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: then that's why. And trust me, Like I was saying

569
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: to people, you know, I always look at the packers.

570
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: They're kind of the zombies. It's like I want them.

571
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: I want them gone as soon as possible. Right. The

572
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: other the other asterisk all this is is a coach.

573
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: You got to say, guys, you you want to control

574
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: your own destiny for sure, right you don't want to

575
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: be in a situation where you're depending on another team

576
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: to do your job or a job that you should

577
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: have done that you weren't able to. So as of

578
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: right now, at this moment, you're in control of how

579
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: what kind of a shot we're going to have at

580
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: being the number one seed in the division. So let's

581
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: just keep going about that. And the reason I bring

582
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: that up is when you get to you know, New

583
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Year's Day and you're in Green Bay and they're trotting

584
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: out some people you've never heard of, Sean Maye. Right,

585
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: you know that keeps you from or the team from

586
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: going on. You know, it doesn't really matter. Just go

587
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: out there and throw the ball around, put on a

588
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: good show, and it's like no, no, no, no no, no,

589
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: this is where we're not. It's not as if you

590
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: once you win the division. You quit absolutely right, Well

591
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: you remember oh nine, right, like you were rolling to rolling, rolling,

592
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: and then basically you lost was it three of five

593
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: to end of the season and clacking into the playoffs,

594
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: and everybody was worried about Dallas coming in here and

595
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: whooping us. Yeah, and then you and then you also

596
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: gave it up for New Orleans Saints and you had

597
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: to go play down there for that Nancy Championship. Like,

598
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: like you said, you want to control your own destiny.

599
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: You want to win these kind of games, and however

600
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: you get there, You're just looking for that advantage to

601
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: make sure that if that is a goal that you

602
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: want to potentially get to that number one seeds and yeah,

603
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: how do you get there? Like that was an opportunity

604
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: lesson And I'm just I'm thankful we can have this conversation.

605
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: We can even because let's face the national media wise,

606
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: we're not even we're not even in the picture because

607
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: of the Dallas. It's all yeah, I mean, it's all Philly, Dallas,

608
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, that's it, right, I mean, and

609
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: we're above two of those three teams right now. It's

610
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: not rightful. I don't know I'm just thinking of like

611
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: the teams that the wins that they have one and

612
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: some of the losses that they have lost, it looks

613
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: better on their resume than it does hours like the

614
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys forty to three and then twenty four to seven

615
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: to the Eagles. When you compare that to Dallas's losses,

616
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: it makes our losses look a lot worse. No, So

617
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: it's like, rightless, I think we're a better team than

618
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: what we show, what the numbers show, but that day

619
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: we were not at our not at our I'm just

620
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: saying they're they're all over a seven and four team

621
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: with forty nine ers, and they're saying it's gonna you know,

622
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Philly, who doesn't look like they did

623
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: earlier in the season. I mean, they're still good, but

624
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: they've they you know, they're they're not the same team.

625
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: They got the Titans, Eagles, and Cowboys three out of

626
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: four weeks, right, So in the Titans, you know, the Titans,

627
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: Giants and Cowboys. Every time you every time you said

628
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: twice and what's the deal with the Titans? Or they're

629
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: at home they have Henry. You're like, they're gonna beat Cincinnati, right, no,

630
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: and then they go somewhere with half their offensive line

631
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: missing right and end up winning. It's I don't know.

632
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: I can't figure out the Titans for the for the

633
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: life of me. But you're right, yeah, they got they've

634
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. Good for them, good luck, and

635
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And the Jets are going to be

636
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: flying high after what they just did to the Bears,

637
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: putting up thirty one points, and you know, White coming

638
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: in doing three fifteen and three like they're they're the

639
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: nice thing. At least on my end looking at that

640
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: is to say, this wasn't White's first game coming up

641
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Speaker 1: against us, like you have at least a game of

642
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Speaker 1: film to know what they want to do. And you know,

643
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: you have a guy like Garrett Wilson, who people were

644
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: raising eyebrows saying, this kid's supposed to be, you know,

645
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: the guy going forward hadn't been doing hardly anything so

646
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: far this season, ended up having five for ninety five

647
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns. So they're starting to kind of look

648
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: at those younger guys as the future. And they're working

649
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: together because they've been working together, and so I just

650
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: I for me, I like the fact that they did

651
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: have at least some sort of film to watch this

652
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: week against the Jets going into this game, Jay, those

653
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: are those are all good points. But before we get there,

654
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Speaker 1: I want to ask Pete about the defenses out of

655
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Speaker 1: the ball because I was watching film this morning and

656
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Speaker 1: pretty much the Jets have two really good core nerbacks

657
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Speaker 1: and they play very physical in their front seven. How

658
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Speaker 1: do you negate that? The Patriots they had a really

659
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Speaker 1: good front seven, but their core nerbacks weren't as great.

660
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Speaker 1: So how do you negate really good quarterbacks when you

661
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Speaker 1: want to take shouts? I'm in a passing just offense. Yeah, um,

662
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: formation shift in motion, right. It's hard to jam a

663
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: guy when he's in motion. But it's also hard to

664
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Speaker 1: get deep down the field when you're in motion because

665
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're not going north and south to

666
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Speaker 1: the snap of the football. But you can you can

667
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: help yourself out with There's a difference between a guy,

668
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're jamming and then playing man and

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00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: then you know, rolling up and jamming and playing cover two. Okay,

670
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: so keeping your guys moving And the other thing is

671
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: if you're seeing man and man defense. The ability to

672
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Speaker 1: run the football is also important because they running the

673
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Speaker 1: football part. When you're trying to beat a good man

674
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Speaker 1: to man team, like let's say Miami is number one,

675
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Speaker 1: you need a quarterback that can scramble because if you

676
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Speaker 1: can get them loose and all eyes are on the

677
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: dbs are all chasing their receiver, you know you're gonna

678
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: But we don't have you know, Kirk's not that guy.

679
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I loved in New England

680
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: game is he actually stepped up, moved in the pocket

681
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: and got some things down the playoff. That's and they

682
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: were talking about that all weekend long, is that it's

683
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Speaker 1: the it's the era of the mobile quarterback. It's like

684
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Speaker 1: they have, well, you have to be mobile to throw

685
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: because if you keep running the football, you're going to

686
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: justin fields get hurt. You can't. You just can't survive

687
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: a long term anyway. So running the football, especially outside

688
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: down down, down, you know, poll guy, there's certain things

689
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Speaker 1: that you can do to just not make them as

690
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Speaker 1: comfortable playing man you can do. You know, short passing

691
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: game works too. I mean if you put tight ends

692
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Speaker 1: and running backs in the backfield and have those guys

693
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Speaker 1: moving around all over the place, you know, some bootlegs

694
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Speaker 1: got to keep them guess. Yeah, you got to keep

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Speaker 1: them guessing. And I think that's where offensively you can.

696
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Speaker 1: It took like I said, in Miami. Against Miami, we

697
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: struggled for a number of drives and then we finally

698
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: got the right routes at the right time, and they

699
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: were big plays. They were huge plays, like the Justin

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Speaker 1: Jefferson thing. You're lighting a bunch and he acts like

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: he's going to do the crossing round, takes a couple

702
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: steps and then basically the other two receivers are almost

703
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: picks and then he just runs a go and boom,

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Speaker 1: you got a huge play. And oh, by the way,

705
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: if someone misses a tackle, that's a touchdown. So you know,

706
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Speaker 1: running after the catch is also huge. So then you're like, okay, TJ.

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Speaker 1: You know what safety do they have that can cover him?

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Speaker 1: Man to man? I think that the when they brought

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Speaker 1: him in. I think Hocketson was kind of the answer

710
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Speaker 1: to two man. If you want to play man against

711
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Speaker 1: Jefferson and meaning man and a safety over the top,

712
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: then you have to deal with this six foot six

713
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Speaker 1: behemoth who can run after the catches. You know, he

714
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: has an eighty some yard reception already this year, So

715
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Speaker 1: it may be a big t J. Hocketson game. But

716
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: that's where like if you do like we did this

717
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: past week with that short passing game, where a guy

718
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Speaker 1: like TJ is gonna be able to you know, basically

719
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Speaker 1: run to the seam and then just turn and just

720
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Speaker 1: keep moving the chains just and then it just allows

721
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Speaker 1: that allows you as soon as they start to sit

722
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Speaker 1: on that, to throw the deep ball and make them pay.

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Speaker 1: And when they play too. You know, when you play

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Speaker 1: two man, you don't just have you can play it

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Speaker 1: where you just have two like the two safeties play

726
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: like Cover two and everyboy's man underneath. Or you can

727
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: mini package it where the safety's combo in with a

728
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: certain look a certain receiver across the board. But you

729
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: don't see it's almost a plot. I mean, how do

730
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Speaker 1: you play two man with a linebacker and a safety, right,

731
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: It's it's tough to do. Yeah, So he's gonna get

732
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: the one on one and and that's the thing, it's

733
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Speaker 1: like you're you've you've got to he's got to win

734
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: that one on one if if that's what you're gonna get. Yeah, Jay,

735
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: back to the offense side of the ball. I don't

736
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Speaker 1: know you brought up Mike White. That's that's the huge

737
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Speaker 1: talking point going into Sunday. Everyone wants to talk about

738
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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson as Sauce Gardner, but national news would be

739
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Speaker 1: can Mike White keep this winning streak or this you

740
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: know buzz or this Philip has he won the locker

741
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: room U there were you know terms basically saying he's

742
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: the king of New York now. So there there will

743
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: be a lot of opportunities for us to you know,

744
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: get after him. But but pete with a guy like

745
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Mike White when you turn on the film, there haven't

746
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: been many teams. When you look at the Bengals game

747
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: last year that he won and then this past Sunday

748
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: against the Chicago Bears, there are not many teams that

749
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: are getting you after him. One because he gets the

750
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: ball out of his hands early. But two he doesn't

751
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: force throws. True what you saw, I think or what

752
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: was a shot in the arm for the for the Jets.

753
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: Number one was he was throwing the ball to everybody right, Um,

754
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: he can throw both quarterbacks and mainly but White too.

755
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: Just they threw a lot of passes in tight coverage right,

756
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: the slants, the quick throws, you know, across the middle

757
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: of the field, the Jimmy Garoppolo specials. Right, Yeah, you're

758
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: just you're just you're threading the needle. He threaded, he

759
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was threading the needle, threaded the needle.

760
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: One of their big plays was was a play that

761
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: the safety from the Bears blew his foot out, you know.

762
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: And and so the right play at the right time

763
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: that always helps as well. But for him to come

764
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: into it's a little different playing and nicked up, traded

765
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: up Bears team at home and then coming into a

766
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: US Bank Stadium where it's gonna be loud, it's gonna

767
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: be a completely different environment for him to run an

768
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: offense this week as opposed to last week. So, you know,

769
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: good for him, good luck, And you know, the the

770
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Jets are going to be facing a much better football

771
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: team top to bottom than they were the Chicago Bears,

772
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: and so you know, we'll see how he does. But

773
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Speaker 1: I don't think you have any worries about about blitzing

774
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: this guy and letting him get loose. I mean, he

775
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: can move the chains on you, but he's not gonna

776
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: he's not gonna kill you with his legs and they

777
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: threw to ten different receivers, and they ran the ball

778
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: with seven different running backs or at least rushers at

779
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: that point. So like they're agnostic as far as it

780
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: goes to who's getting the ball. But that's that. But

781
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: that's where the shot in the arm comes from, because

782
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, everybody's like, oh my gosh,

783
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: I could be getting the football, right, I could be carrying,

784
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: could be yeah, everybody exactly. And so can they continue

785
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: to do that? That's the that's the question. Can he

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: keep that up in a hostile environment, you know, you know,

787
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: ideal weather conditions, the whole thing. Yeah, I think that's

788
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: those are really good points in I think it goes

789
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: back to last week when people were not giving us

790
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: a chance against the New England Patriots because they had

791
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: just beat the New York Jets, and they were like, well,

792
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: this is a great defense. And people were like, well

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00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: they are a good defense in Minniesota. Vikings are a

794
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: really good offense, and this is a really good team also.

795
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Speaker 1: So and if you listen to Belichick after the game,

796
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: you know what he said was Jack Cousins made the

797
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: right moves and the right checks and the right calls

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00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: at them, made the right plays at the right time,

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Speaker 1: so you know that that's that's why I said earlier

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Speaker 1: that from a systemic standpoint, that may have been the

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00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: best that this offense looked, meaning taking what you see

802
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: and then you know, it's it's a more complicated system, right,

803
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: You're not just out there executing the play that they call.

804
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: It's hey, we you know, we're gonna take advantage of

805
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: what's out there and what we can and it requires

806
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: a lot more mental load. And I think that's positive

807
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: and refreshing to see that we can beat a team

808
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: in multiple ways, like we can just take you know,

809
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: and we can nickel and dime a team down the

810
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: field run them. When the run game isn't working, okay,

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00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: we could you know, get long handoffs with passes, or

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00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: if that's not working, okay, we can run the ball.

813
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: And we already know what Kirk can do in play

814
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: acts and passing in everything from from that standpoint. But

815
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Speaker 1: there there are a number of ways to skin a cat,

816
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins said that on PA show this week,

817
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: and it's been positive to see how we can continue

818
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: to do that going forward. You need balance, you can't

819
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Speaker 1: you don't see teams with a number one offense and

820
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: a number twenty two defense make it to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You don't see teams that can run the ball and

822
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: not throw the ball, or vice versa make a deep

823
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: run in the playoffs, because you're always going to go

824
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: up against a team that can counter what you're best

825
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: at doing if you are one handed. And the balance

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00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: side of it is what's important, and that's from this

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Speaker 1: from this team. I think offensively we have that balance. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if we have that yet.

829
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Are defensively we're living off of sacks and turnovers, yeah right,

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00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: and when those dry up then you know, it's it's tough.

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Speaker 1: Then you get a sprint and tons, Yeah, it's it's tough.

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00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: So they got to figure out a way defensively to

833
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: get a little more consistent. Well, Vikings fans, thank you

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Speaker 1: again for tuning into another edition of the Minnesota Vikings Podcasts.

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