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Speaker 1: Welcome into North Side Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are

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Speaker 1: your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The

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Speaker 1: Cubs lost two of three to the Phillies, two of

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Speaker 1: three to the Tigers, went four and five on a

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Speaker 1: you know, a pretty hard road trip. That's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's not fans aren't going to be celebrating, but I

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Speaker 1: think the realists out there understand that, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: things sometimes things get tough and you got to just

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Speaker 1: grind through it. Four and five, You'll take that. You

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Speaker 1: don't want the disastrous two and seven or one in

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Speaker 1: eight road trip. They they got through it. And there

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Speaker 1: are certainly things that you can point to and question

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Speaker 1: about this team right now, and we'll get to some

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Speaker 1: of those because we got a mailbag episode right now.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think you take four and five

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Speaker 1: and you and you hope that they the offense gets

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Speaker 1: going again and that maybe facing you know, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: Paul Skans on Friday, but not not the Paul Skins

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Speaker 1: every day or that level, because it's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of that lately, a lot of really good pitching lately.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as we're recording, the Cubs still have a

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Speaker 2: five game lead in the division. The Cardinals, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're nevillbly going to cool off, and their four game

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Speaker 2: losing streak was timed fortuitously for the Cubs while they

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Speaker 2: were on a very difficult road trip. So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think it'll be an interesting home stand. You know, Skeens

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Speaker 2: is always kind of an event, be a chance for

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Speaker 2: the Cubs to sort of get back on track here.

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Speaker 2: And I think some of these answers to the questions

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Speaker 2: our listeners have will start to reveal themselves.

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's get right to it. This one

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Speaker 1: is from BHO fourteen. It's been reported that the Cubs

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Speaker 1: and Marlins had previously agreed on a deal for the

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Speaker 1: Lozardo his Who's Lozardo? Who pitched Wednesday for the Phillies

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Speaker 1: and shut down the Cubs. I think that was the

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Speaker 1: second time he shut down the Cubs this year. Players

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Speaker 1: in December have different values than now. But do we

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Speaker 1: know which players were likely in the deal? Yes, it

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Speaker 1: was Ken that reported that had that final report. Right,

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Speaker 1: We've we've kind of been working on that for months

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Speaker 1: as far as hearing bits and pieces of it, but

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Speaker 1: it was Penn that or Ken that kind of nailed

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Speaker 1: it down finally maybe a month or so ago. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's names that we've heard bandied about. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything you could share there that you you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how one hundred percent we are on

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Speaker 1: this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't.

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Speaker 2: We haven't nailed this down, but I think there were

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Speaker 2: indications that Owen Casey was heavily discussed. That's also sort

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Speaker 2: of intuitive, right of the Marlins would want, you know,

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Speaker 2: some close.

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Speaker 3: To major league ready talent on the position playing side.

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Speaker 2: And I think this question came from the idea of Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: what does this mean for Sandy Alcantara. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: has to go out and pitch well and prove it.

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Speaker 3: But clearly there.

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Speaker 2: Is a baseline here between the Cubs and Marlins.

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Speaker 3: They talked a lot. You know.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Lizardo did not get across the finish line do

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Speaker 2: in large part to medical concerns and kind of matching

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Speaker 2: up the value of what the Cubs would be willing

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Speaker 2: to give up after that medical review. You had the

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Speaker 2: Matt Murvis Fidal Bruhan trade as well, where there's kind

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Speaker 2: of talking. And I think on the staffing side as well,

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Speaker 2: the Cubs and Marlins had some exchanges. So I think

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Speaker 2: Peter Bendix, the head of Baseball Operations, was at Wrigley.

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Speaker 3: When the Marlins were in town.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was him and Jed were sort of

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Speaker 2: talking on the field and some fan. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what he was doing and in there because before kind

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Speaker 2: of before the gates were totally open, and he kind

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Speaker 2: of screamed like, Jad, we need some pitching asap, got

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Speaker 2: some bullpen up.

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Speaker 3: It was something along those lines. I wrote it down

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Speaker 3: at the time.

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Speaker 2: I don't have my notes in front of me, but uh,

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Speaker 2: the bullpen was kind of scuffling at that moment.

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Speaker 3: But I do think.

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Speaker 2: We've I think, kind of teasing a future episode at

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Speaker 2: this point of our buddy Jeff Ponce from Baseball America.

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Speaker 2: We talked a lot about prospects, what they have to

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Speaker 2: bring to the table here, Owen Casey and as well

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Speaker 2: as Mois's ballasteros. We don't know exactly how that's going

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Speaker 2: to play out, but those would be the names that

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Speaker 2: I think the Marlins would.

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Speaker 3: Probably Marlins and most teams.

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Speaker 2: Would be sort of looking at of like who can

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Speaker 2: help us, you know, pretty close to now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would guess like people would be interested

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Speaker 1: in all contra to contra just because I mean he

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Speaker 1: can play the like good defense in center field and

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Speaker 1: and the offense just comes and goes. But when he

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Speaker 1: gets on a tear, he gets on a tear and

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Speaker 1: it's it's legit, it's impressive. Uh. And and you alluded

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Speaker 1: Casey and and there was you know, you can you

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Speaker 1: can suggest that the strikeouts are concerned, but they've always

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Speaker 1: been there. It's not unknown, it's not a it's not

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Speaker 1: something that's brand new. Uh. He's he's making the same

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Speaker 1: type of contact and doing the same you know, impacting

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Speaker 1: the ball similarly when he does make contact. So uh,

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Speaker 1: I think Owen Casey makes a lot of sense as

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Speaker 1: someone to build a trade around, whether it's at with

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Speaker 1: the Marlins or whatever it may be, whichever team it

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Speaker 1: may be. But al Contra, I believe I I just

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Speaker 1: wrote this. Six innings in each of his last two

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Speaker 1: starts combined, twelve strikeouts, two walks, and two two runs

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Speaker 1: allowed combined. That's a step forward. One of those starts

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Speaker 1: was against the Rockies. I don't think I don't think

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Speaker 1: you want to overthink it as far as competition. You

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Speaker 1: want to just see him improve and and that's that's happening. Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's it's going to be hard to pull that off now.

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Speaker 1: So you have more more there's going to be more

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Speaker 1: data to take in, more outings for Sandy el Contra

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Speaker 1: to to go out there make starts and to impress

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Speaker 1: potential trade partners. But yeah, I think he's near the

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Speaker 1: top of the list as far as who you should

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Speaker 1: be watching when it comes to uh pictures at the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: The Cubs are going to need to they have to

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Speaker 1: acquire a starting pitcher. We're going to talk more about

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Speaker 1: just kind of what's going on with the with the

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Speaker 1: rotation and who who gets called up or who gets

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Speaker 1: prospects could be brought up to help if the team

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Speaker 1: is unable to swing a trade for a bench bet

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Speaker 1: Bias Srus is a guy that that you could call up.

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Speaker 1: But I we'll get to their issues a potential issue.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's more against the left handed pitching, and

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Speaker 1: I you know, we'll talk about that, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's a major concern, especially when you talk about

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Speaker 1: who the lefties that they're faced of late. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely there's there's potential help I think of the minors,

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Speaker 1: but Bias Sirius would be one guy that we know

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Speaker 1: can come up and do something. Kevin Olcontra has been

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Speaker 1: up before, but he's not hitting own. Casey's a lefty.

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Speaker 1: So you've got two lefties and Biasteros and Casey that

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Speaker 1: know if you'd call him up and say, like, this

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Speaker 1: is our bench bat, but maybe that happens at some point.

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Speaker 1: I also think we named three guys that could be

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Speaker 1: used in trades, so you know, you just don't I

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Speaker 1: don't want to make assumptions about who's coming up. Relievers.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Hollowell's been up and I wouldn't be shocked to

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Speaker 1: see him again at some point soon. Riley Martin is

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Speaker 1: probably going to get a look at some point this season.

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Speaker 1: He's figured some things out with relievers, with pitchers and

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Speaker 1: with relievers especially. It's kind of like strike when the

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Speaker 1: iron's hot, is this guy locked in? Yes, okay, we

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Speaker 1: got to call him up soon. There's also the like

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Speaker 1: forty man maneuvering, So maybe that doesn't happen right away,

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Speaker 1: but you never know when the command goes and suddenly

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Speaker 1: he's walking, you know, ten guys over three outings or

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Speaker 1: something like that, which was a major concern for Martin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good name. I mean, that's the name

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Speaker 2: that we've heard kind of here and there. I think

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Speaker 2: the help is far more likely to come out of

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Speaker 2: the Iowa bullpen than.

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Speaker 3: As an offensive force.

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Speaker 2: I mean we saw it in kind of twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen of the Cubs had this sort

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Speaker 2: of assembly line of guys coming up and helping immediately

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Speaker 2: by Saros feels a little too one dimensional at this moment.

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Speaker 3: You know, if he was.

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Speaker 2: A right handed or if he can bring something on defense,

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Speaker 2: just not really, not really, I have a harder time

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Speaker 2: envisioning that. I guess the other name too, not a

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Speaker 2: I mean Nate Pearson, like if he I think is

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Speaker 2: someone who could help. But I think we have a

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Speaker 2: question coming up on this, like the Cubs are sort

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Speaker 2: of facing a little bit of a roster crunch. Once

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Speaker 2: they get guys healthy, there's only so many spots, and

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Speaker 2: obviously other stuff will happen. But I think right now

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Speaker 2: it's kind of the group they have and being in

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Speaker 2: what was it information gathering mode?

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Speaker 3: Was that Jet's.

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Speaker 1: TERMINI yeah, let's get to that question in a moment.

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, So this this question is kind of

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Speaker 1: hard to answer. My opinion, it's not. It's not easy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: with Shoda and Hodge coming back soon, who gets shipped out?

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Speaker 1: Barring and I Eliston? Only Ben Brown? Uh, Whoch, Daniel Palancia,

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Speaker 1: I have options, none of whom seem triple oh, Kate Horton,

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Speaker 1: none of whom seem triple a worthy other than to

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Speaker 1: limit innings? Does someone get deafade? So when we talked

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Speaker 1: about this, Patrick, my initial thought is, Showta comes back,

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Speaker 1: Kelly's gonna do. I feel like he made real changes.

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Speaker 1: He looked good yesterday. But you know who knows Swanson this.

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Speaker 1: We know who he is. He has a long track record.

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Speaker 1: He will get on a hot streak again as long

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Speaker 1: as he's healthy. And one one other guy, Justin Turner,

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Speaker 1: just slightly below average against against lefties right now on

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Speaker 1: the season. My guess is those numbers are better over

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Speaker 1: the last you know, since like May first ish, he's

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Speaker 1: probably fine. I think he takes a lot of heat

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Speaker 1: because he's not crushing the ball, and the overall numbers

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Speaker 1: are bad, and he probably there was a stretch there

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Speaker 1: where he's getting too many at bats because guys who

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Speaker 1: are injured. But you know, I think he's fine as

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Speaker 1: far as that. Maybe let's continue to watch that as

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Speaker 1: I guess is what I would say. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's having terrible at bats against lefties.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you asked counsel this during a recent

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Speaker 2: homestand and then kind of I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: said it again in Philadelphia, but this idea of you've

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Speaker 2: presented him of like is this sustainable?

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Speaker 3: Like when the Cubs were rolling.

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Speaker 2: I think the point that he often makes is that

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Speaker 2: council feels good about the kind of length and depth

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Speaker 2: of the lineup to which it can withstand these hot

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Speaker 2: and cold streaks and still be consistent, and that he

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Speaker 2: ultimately thinks it is sustainable for that reason. Is that

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Speaker 2: sort of your interpretation of councils council isms?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, I think that's that's exactly right. It's

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Speaker 1: he's he's not well, he's very aware of who they've

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Speaker 1: faced lately. That's one thing that he's very well aware of.

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Speaker 1: He's giving a little I guess you could say, giving

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Speaker 1: a little grace to the offense and not overreacting to

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Speaker 1: these stretches. This is also how baseball works. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: average over six runs a game all the time. And

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Speaker 1: then and yes, he really likes the fact that on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday they won that game because he and Half hit

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Speaker 1: two home runs. On Monday, they were in that game

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Speaker 1: because he and Half hit home run and five days

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Speaker 1: before that, Ian half was ice cold. So there are

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Speaker 1: different guys that are capable of stepping up each night.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we'll get a lot more. Let's

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Speaker 1: see how they do Thursday night against Andrew Heeney. Perfectly fine,

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Speaker 1: but you know, probably average ish slightly above average lefty.

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Speaker 1: You want to see them start hitting guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't need to score eight runs, but if they

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Speaker 1: can get them out after five innings and score a

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Speaker 1: few runs, you'd be happy with that, right, Just just

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Speaker 1: pitch well and score some runs. Put pressure on the

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Speaker 1: guy and you start to feel better about things I

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Speaker 1: would not like guys like Swanson or first left handed pitchers.

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Speaker 1: It is. You want to watch it, you want to

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Speaker 1: keep keep an eye on trends, but you also have

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Speaker 1: to remember who's on the mound and how they do

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Speaker 1: against all lineups.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know Dancy Swanson does against left

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Speaker 2: handed pitchers.

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Speaker 3: He plays great defense. There's a reason why he's in

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Speaker 3: there every day, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think David Ross has kind of made the point

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Speaker 2: like that's why those every day players get paid a

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Speaker 2: lot of money, because they're really hard to find, and

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Speaker 2: you sort of live with some of that other stuff

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Speaker 2: if you get great defense, great intangibles, good base running.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've seen Dansby is a little bit

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Speaker 2: more of a complimentary player, even though he got this

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Speaker 2: huge contract. Like he's at his best when he's kind

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Speaker 2: of surrounded by great offensive talent. And you know, you're

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Speaker 2: seeing it now, that Kyle Tucker effect when say is

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Speaker 2: hitting like this, PCA just bursts onto the scene as

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Speaker 2: a star level player. Like that's you know, we're listening

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Speaker 2: a lot of names before you get to Dansby Swanson

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Speaker 2: in terms of like overall offensive importance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I mean one other thing to keep

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Speaker 1: in mind when when a lefties on the mound, Michael

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Speaker 1: Bush may not be in the lineup, Pete Armstrong is

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Speaker 1: struggling against lefties what's his name, Ian Hap is better

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Speaker 1: as a left e. So so there's there's just multiple

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Speaker 1: players that a lefties on the mound is gonna It

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Speaker 1: makes your lineup weaker because you're losing the you know,

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Speaker 1: the better version of being happ And then Michael Bush

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Speaker 1: and Pete Armstrong either aren't in the lineup or aren't

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Speaker 1: playing as well. Uh, those are three of your better bats.

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Speaker 1: And even Kyle Tucker uh kaw Tucker pretty much as

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Speaker 1: even splits. I believe. I don't think he really struggles

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Speaker 1: against lefties, but but still it impacts him in a

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Speaker 1: certain way. So you're you're kind of losing some of

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Speaker 1: your best, you know, best offense when when a lefty's

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Speaker 1: on the mount. Again, I'm not too concerned about it,

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Speaker 1: but it's certainly it's something I would continue to watch

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Speaker 1: and and we have a good, uh good opportunity coming

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Speaker 1: up against the guys.

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Speaker 3: Is a good question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, no, I think it's. It's it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: uh too, it's an interesting trend and and it's and

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Speaker 1: it's hard to break down because of those names that

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Speaker 1: we talked about. So let's see, let's Ander Heeney, and

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Speaker 1: then there's going to be some other random lefty that

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Speaker 1: comes up. If they continue to struggle against lefties, then

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about it. Then it's something that

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Speaker 1: you have to break down. It's it's and it's and

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Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning now because yeah, that the offense hasn't

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Speaker 1: been rolling like we've gotten accustomed to, so it's perfectly fit.

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Speaker 1: Is this just like, yeah, that's baseball or is this

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Speaker 1: something a trend that needs to be addressed, which is

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Speaker 1: something we'll figure out over the coming weeks, and certainly

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Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer in his front office will be keeping an

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Speaker 1: eye on it and seeing if they need to address something.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks so much for the questions. I always

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Speaker 1: love the mail bag episodes. Thank you for reaching out

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Speaker 1: to us and sending us your thoughts. Thanks so much

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