WEBVTT - Juicy Lucy Time 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Philly Show. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.160 Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.880 Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky. It is Monday, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.920 July twenty second, twenty twenty four. 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.600 Phillies just got out of Pittsburgh. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.200 They eke out a win on Sunday to avoid the sweep. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:36.199 They snapped a season high three game losing streak, and 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.480 now they're in Minnesota for a three game series against 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.040 the Twins. But the Pittsburgh series, guys, they probably should 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:44.559 have won two out of three. And I think the 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.879 thing that a lot of people are talking about is 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:52.559 Jose Alvarado. Jose Alvarado on Friday Night struggles a little bit, 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.720 does struggle a little bett. He struggles and blows a 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.600 save on Friday, and he bounces back, looks a little 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.480 bit better on Sunday. But you know, as the trade 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.480 deadline approaches, we're gonna be talking a lot about trade deadline, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.200 different options, different needs. And we've already talked a lot 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.520 about the bullpen. Would you get another arm? Is it 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.920 a bigger priority than the right handed bat? 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:17.639 Fourth outfielder type? 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.560 Is your level of concern of Jose Alvarado, he's certainly 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.720 not performing like he has you know, the last couple 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:27.240 of seasons. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.560 Well, it is of some concern, There's no question about it, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.280 because he goes in these ebbs and flows. Now he 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.080 can be the most dominant left hander in the game 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:39.559 and has been at times, especially last year. He really 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.880 turned it around, and he had been dominant at times 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.440 in the early part of this season after that slow start. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.280 But you just got to be a little bit concerned. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.720 I think at the end of the day, he's going 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.120 to be fine. The trust factor though, when you start 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.200 talking about winning World Series championships, that's where you know 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.640 the rubber meets the road. And for me, I love 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.960 Jose Alvarado. I love what he brings to the table. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.720 I love his stuff. But the end of the day, 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.640 can you trust him to get the last couple of 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.720 outs of the game. Can you trust Hoffman to get 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.800 the last couple of outs or three outs of the game. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.400 And I think you can trust him to get some outs, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.880 but it may not come all the time. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.960 And so that's why I feel like. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.160 You know, they probably would really benefit and I think 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.960 it is a necessity for them to add a eighth 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:40.440 or ninth inning guy or a twelve trusted veteran guy 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.120 to get outs in the back end of the bullpen. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.679 Kirk Ring's thrown okay, but he is vulnerable right now 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:51.040 because he's not throwing his sinker and his fastball as 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.320 consistently and the sweeper they're sitting on and so they're 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.960 having some success against him. Hoffman has been great, strong guy, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.400 banged around a little bit, but everybody, I mean, it 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.760 didn't matter who was coming in against O'Neil Cruz. That 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.959 man was just hot as hell, and so you could 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.800 throw in the kitchen sink at him and it wouldn't 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.440 have mattered. But again, I really think it's all about 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.120 at the end of the day, when you're talking about 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.080 winning series and winning championships, you gotta have as many 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.480 arms that you can trust back there as you possibly 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.160 can't if you do not have a bonafide nail knock 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.280 down closer and they don't have that guy. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.600 Yeah, you know, I'll say this about Alvarado because you 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.800 brought him up. It was good to see him get 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.240 out of Pittsburgh with a good outing because he you know, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.920 Friday night was very difficult. The whole month, really the 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.840 whole season, he has not been as sharp as as 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.920 we've seen him in previous years. I think the stuff 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:56.360 is just a tick different, not as good. Still very good, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:01.040 but not like double plus very good. It's concerning the 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.000 strikeout rate is not what it has been in previous years. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.200 But in the small picture here this month, just not 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.920 throwing enough strikes, walking as many as he has struck out, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.560 putting free met you know, give out those free passes. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.320 You know, they turned into runs. We saw it with Elorado, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.039 we saw it with Straw in this series. It was 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.840 really a difference maker in Pittsburgh. So I do believe 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.640 that when you're talking about elite athletes, they you know, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.640 they will have ups and downs, and sometimes you're just 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.480 one good game again from going on. Your next really 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.520 good run be a beat a hitter or a pitcher. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.159 So maybe Sunday afternoons game in Pittsburgh, where you know, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.760 he did have that slider sweeper back and it was 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.240 down and he was getting some swing and miss on it. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:52.200 He was getting some strikeouts, so that was good. Maybe 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.719 that is something you know he can build on. But 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.839 even before his struggles, I thought this team needed another 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.120 arm out there late in the game. Kind of Ruben 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.040 alluded to this with the word trust somebody who's been 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.440 there in the month of October, somebody who's done that, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.000 because October is such a different beast, and you know, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.720 these guys have been there in October. Now. Alvarado strong 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.880 those guys, so that experience they've gained over the last 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.920 two years will definitely help them. But I think they 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.360 need another arm late in the game, and I think 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.000 Dave dombroskis going to deliver on that. Not sure where 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.200 he's going to go, who it's going to be, but 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.040 I think Dombroski's going to deliver on that. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:29.840 Yeah. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:31.680 The other thing, the only only thing I will say 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.760 about the Alvarado thing is it's really about his command. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.800 And I'm not sure if he's trusting his stuff as 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.000 much because the stuff is not quite it's just a 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.880 tick down, as Jim said, And so when you trust 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.040 your stuff, you have a lot more confident in placing 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:46.000 the pitch where you want to. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.920 He's really been able to pound over the years. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.719 He's been able to pound those right handers in with 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.359 that basketball cutter combination. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.880 That command right now has. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.120 Eluded him and he hasn't really had the ability to 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.200 do that. It's consistent has he's done. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:01.559 In the past. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.479 Yeah, I was in Pittsburgh this week, but machill brought 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.359 something interesting, and it's kind of if they would go 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.680 out and get another closer, lady encloser, you could you 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.800 can match up Alvarado more in the earlier innings, sixth, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.960 seventh inning, eighth inning against lefty bats. He's been still 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.480 still effective against especially against lefty bats. But that's something 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:21.720 that they can do if they get it, go out 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.920 and get another arm because now you can have that 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.479 new acquisition pitch the ninth inning or Hoffman or or 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.359 somebody else. So that's something to keep an eye on. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.760 But yees strikeout rates down is swinging missus down, and 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.719 they got to get him. They got to get him 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:42.280 lined up going forward. Tyler Phillips, though he saved the 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.520 day on Sunday, Tyler Phillips, he's got to be loving 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.800 life right now. I can only imagine what it's like 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.599 for Tyler Phillips. He grows up Philly's fan and he 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.600 pitches great. Yesterday he's two and oh two eight one 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:02.360 e r A and just you know, giving them everything 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.359 they need out of that fifth spot in the rotation 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.000 with Walker down, He's a few weeks away, probably still 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.080 Spencer Turnbull. You know, he might not come back as 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.400 a starter, maybe as a reliever later this season. So 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.760 he's he's given him exactly what they need. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.280 When I watched Phillips pitch, I just see a lot 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.360 of poise in twenty five and he doesn't, you know, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.680 he kind of acts it like he's climbed a Ar 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.840 Druis road in the minor leagues to get here, and 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.560 he's going to enjoy it. This is the times of 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.200 his life. He's pitching for his hometown team. And you know, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.440 those stories are really nice, they're if they're fun to write, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.720 they're you know, hometown boy. But they don't last long 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.000 if you don't if you don't deliver. And he went 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.720 out there for a team yesterday that had lost two straight. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.760 Spots Wheels coming out of the break and pitched six, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.160 six quality innings, six shutout innings, did a great job, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.160 kept the ball down, had it moving two ways down 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.960 on the zone, and I think that's such a key 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:01.400 to success, and it's really of the hallmark of this 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.120 Phillies starting pitching staff. They you know, not everybody's up 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.360 here riding it by guys. This is a team that pitches, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.640 you know, it exploits the corners, different quadrants and moves 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.160 the ball, keeps the ball down on his own. That 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.440 you know kind of there's a little bit of old 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.560 school pitching approach in this staff, and uh, he definitely 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.000 fits in. He's done a heck of a job. I'm 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.240 sure he's on cloud nine, but he's doing a good 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.000 job keeping it all in check because he could be 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.559 very very important. Like you said, who you know, Turnbull's 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.320 are ways away. You might end up in the bullpen 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.960 when he's back, and Taiwan Walker is, you know, just 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.240 probably just starting to throw. He's going to be a 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.880 ways away. There's an opportunity to be seized. And you know, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.240 he has done a really good I'm not going to 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.520 say he seized it, but he's done a good job 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.720 as as that quest to lock it down begins. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.920 Yeah, Jim, I I agree with you. I think he's. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.679 He's had a very good job of managing his emotions. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.120 He looks like a pretty emotional person. I think you 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.200 can tell that he like gets mad at himself. He 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.400 doesn't make a pitch, or if he goes through it 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.600 and he has some difficulty, or there's some things that 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.800 happened during the course of the game, and that's that's good. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.880 I like the fact that he you know, that he 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.320 has a demand on himself to be successful. At the 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.679 same time, you also have to be as you know, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.880 you have to try to be as even keel as 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.400 you possibly can. It's a tough that's a sort of 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.240 a tough balance. But I really like the way he's 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:35.040 handling himself. He doesn't seem scared. And that's the thing 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.360 that you know, we talk about a lot in the 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:42.520 globous in the front office, is the guy scared? Is 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.920 he afraid? Is he afraid of the barrel? And it 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.600 doesn't seem like he is. And that is as important 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.559 an element as there is because in this day and age, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.920 guys are throwing so hard at all they want to 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.480 do is try to miss the barrel. This guy, as 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.800 you said, Jim, he pitches, keeps the ball down. Imagine 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.959 keeping the ball at the baseball down on the zone. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.760 Got a big double play yesterday by not being afraid 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.320 of contact. And that what you mentioned there about not 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.559 being scared. It just strikes me as being so important 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.600 because not only does the other lineup since it when 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.880 you're scared and all of a sudden, it's like sharks 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.640 in the water. But your teammates in that clubhouse, they 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.280 sense it and they just don't have the confidence behind you. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.439 Yeah, hey, listen, I went through that. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.800 I went through a spell as a young player where 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.720 and I'll never forget this. Darren Dalton grabbed me after 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.840 the game one day. It was in Chicago. I was like, 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.040 there was a line drive and I probably could have 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.839 come getting it, caught it, but I backed off, didn't 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.160 want to create create a big inning or whatever. And 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.319 I remember him after the game. He ended up losing 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.760 the game, I run or whatever, and he said to me, Man, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.079 don't be afraid, just go play. Play And I was 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.880 glad he said something to me. And that was one 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.719 of the beauties of Darren don't because he would he 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:00.920 would address things. But that's that's important. That's an important element. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.439 From then on, I thought to myself, you know, I'm 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:03.160 just gonna go play. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.160 And so those are those. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.280 Are important pieces of it because if you play to 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.520 make not wanting to make a mistake, mistake in the game, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:13.360 you got no chance. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:14.720 You got no chances too. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.640 The level of baseball, the level of talent is just 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.160 too high and to get exploited. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.720 And Jim said it, I mean it is. You're right 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.480 about the sharks in the water Man. You can see 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:24.240 guys on the mound. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.960 You can see their face, and this guy's got a 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.400 really good face talk. I uh, you know, we should 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.600 talk about this a lot with Pat Gillick. But I 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.680 love faces. And when I see this guy standing on 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.840 the mound, I don't see anybody who's scare I see 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.320 somebody who's determined to try to do the best he 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.520 possibly can. You know, he's not with I don't want 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.920 to say limited ability, but he doesn't have like he 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.000 doesn't have you know, Paul Skien stuff. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.559 He's got decent stuff. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.280 And he moves the baseball and he can pitch a 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.439 little bit, and he's showing that he can has ability 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.320 to do that and he's trusting himself to do so. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.680 As Gabe Kapler says, he's presenting beautifully. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.439 Oh stop it, oh stop, Oh. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.199 He's present he's presenting beautifully. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:16.040 But but but Ruben like he he's actually throwing harder 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.400 now in the big leagues. His his velocity has gone 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.599 up as a starter in the big leagues than Triple A. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.280 So what you know, he's he's definitely feeling it too. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.280 You know, he's got to. I don't know if it's 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.920 that that's a mentality or if that's just ID like 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.040 to say that the second deck, third deck. But his 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.800 stuff is playing up a little bit better up here, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.040 is you know as well. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.360 I think it depends on the person ian the mentality. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.480 I was telling the story the other day about when 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.679 we called up Jimmy Rollins and the other we had, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.160 the other outfielder, the left handed hitting outfielder. It was 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.120 had so many tools. He came up at the same time. 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.760 Oh my god, I'm brain locking his name right now, retailer. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.439 Thank you, Jim. So we literally brought him up at 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.640 the same time, and I literally tell you exactly what 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.960 kind of careers they were going to have. When I 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.680 said the words, you guys are coming to the big Leags, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:14.680 Reggie Taylor face was like this. He was like, oh okay, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:19.120 Like holy shit, I'm coming to the big Leags right 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:26.600 And Jimmy Rowns when when Jimmy Lowndes found out, He's like, yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.960 that's exactly right. And I can tell you immediately by 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.240 their reactions on their faces which guy was going to 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.200 be a player. Which guy would Reggie Taylor I think 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.599 got one hit and struck out like fifteen times in 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:38.760 twenty at bats. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.040 And I'll never forget Jimmy Rowins. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.480 Jimmy just showed up like he was in charge his 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.360 I think it was his second big league home run. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.199 It was from the right side, it was against remember 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:56.319 the lefty Steve Klein. Of course, he was from Montreal, 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.240 Montreal and San Francisco and Saint Louis. He was picture 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.679 of Saint Louis at the time. It was late when 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.640 Jimmy had just gotten called up September. Small crowd at 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.640 the Vet, at the Vet, and Jimmy hits one into 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.920 the four hundred level in left field, and he flips 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.920 the bat on Steve Klein and veteran pitcher Steve kleinb 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.560 yells as Jimmy's run on the bases slowly. Steve kleinb 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.080 yells at him the whole way and Jimmy just takes 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.280 it and runs right to the dugout. But he flipped 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.400 the bat on him. It was so funny, and Steve 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.000 Klein was so mad, but it was Jimmy. You know, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.280 he's been in the big leagues a week and he's like, Hey, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:35.920 I'm Jimmy. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:37.480 That's right. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.040 And that was and that was Jimmy and and you know, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.600 and that's what's impressive to me about what Tyler Phillips 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.640 has done, because you know, that third deck for some people, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.120 they step up their game. He knows that he's going 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.120 to do a little something extra. He might have to 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.960 do a little something extra. Put a little bit more 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.400 mustard on this thing, try to snap off this breaking 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.680 ball a little bit now to so people, that's a 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.480 detriment to him so far as work. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.680 And he just has to be a number five starter. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.720 Don't try to do too much. Did just want you to 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.960 hold on the number five spot. If you give him 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.840 five six innings, two runs, hey, a lot of handshakes 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:13.160 to that. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.360 Even four runs. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.200 I mean for this ball club, I mean, really, this 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.080 team should be scoring at least four runs a game. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.920 If you hold him down for you know, I don't know, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.240 six innings, four runs. It doesn't have to be necessarily 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.600 a quality start, but a decent start to just to 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.840 eat up the innings and to do what that's what 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.120 the fifth starter needs to do. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.600 Let's the other four guys take care of the rest 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:34.200 of the business. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.440 Do you think there's any chance that he's just too 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.560 naive to get too emotional or to think too much. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.520 Like he's too it's too new and strange, you know. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.600 I think back to like Kyle Kendrick and O. Seven 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.640 when you guys called him up. He wasn't somebody that 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.280 and he would acknowledge us, pitched with a lot of 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.920 confidence and a lot of you know, hutzpur or whatever 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:52.600 you want to call it. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.200 But he was very good or out of the gate. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:55.320 No. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:55.720 Seven. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.960 It was like, is it just because he's like, you know, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:00.320 he's not think. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:00.680 It too much? 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.240 Is there some of that maybe to it too with 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:03.720 Tyler Phillips or you think it's different. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:10.720 I think I think in Kendrick's uh, in Kendrick's situation, 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.920 I think it was I don't want to say clueless, 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.880 but he was totally less. He didn't I don't think 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.960 he realized the magnitude of what it was was going on, right. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.760 I think Tyler Phillips understands the magnitude. I think there's 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.600 two different sets of circumstances. But there's going to come 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.120 a time, Todd when this guy is going to be 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.600 introduced to mister Hillary and Bradsby, and once he is 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.720 introduced to them, it will be interesting to see how 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.280 he bounces back from that. Now, the first time he pitched, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:39.800 he gave up a home runner. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:40.760 Was it Atlanta? 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.520 I think yeah, it was the. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.000 Nine and then he and then he bet came back 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.240 and struck out the next guy. So that was a 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.200 great sign. We talked about that a little bit before. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.840 Let's see what happens in his next start. He gets 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.920 banged around a little bit early. At some point, it's 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:55.760 going to get banged around. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.680 It happens. Okay, he's not so young. At some point 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:00.440 it's going to happen. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.520 And then you'll see hell he handles things once things 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:05.600 start to unravel. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:05.840 A little bit more. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.280 Another guy that had an interesting weekend as we talk 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.760 about the trade deadland, Wes Wilson is hitting left hand 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:17.040 left handed pitching pretty well. Do we if you're the 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.520 front office or are you They're giving him some run 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.480 to see if you can hit left handed pitching. But 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.520 is there anything that he could possibly do in the 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.639 next nine days eight days to convince them that, you know, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.760 maybe he could be the guy, or do they have 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:32.920 to go out and get somebody. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.320 I think you're probably going to be pursuing that guy 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.480 right until the end. Now. I don't know how many 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.119 lefties they are going to face, but if you continue 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.320 to produce, I do think it could affect their thinking 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.399 and the type of player they get. You know, maybe 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:53.560 they go after Elaine Thomas, maybe it's a Taylor Award, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.360 or maybe it's a Matt Erling. Who knows, maybe it's 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.199 you know, they feel like if they got enough with 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:04.639 uh Wes Wilson, but if he just produces, it certainly 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.960 helps his cause, gives them something to think about, maybe 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.720 allows them to use resources on bullpen. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.080 So two things for me as I look through this 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.439 Western Wilson thing, I think it's an audition not just 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.359 for Western Wilson, it's pace because I do think that 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.639 they'll try to get somebody who they think will be 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.520 better and more suited for this role to be the 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.080 And then if that happens, and I think Pach is 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.440 gonna end up losing his job because Western Wilson can 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:29.320 step in and do the job. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.680 That pach is doing because. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.960 They already have basically two center fielders in Marsh and 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.240 uh And and Yoo. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:41.639 So so I think it's really to me, it's more 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.160 of an audition for him to stay on the team, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.840 even if he's not the left left you know, right 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:47.919 and hitting left fielder. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.440 I think there's there's two parts to this, and. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.720 I think he is a more I just think he's 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.760 a more dynamic player than Pace. Pace is sort of 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.320 one dimensional right now, and I think that that's run 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:01.919 its course. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.359 And I like the guy. I think he's a very 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:05.960 good defender. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.640 I think he do some things, but I just don't 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.240 know that he's ever going to come around offensively enough. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.920 And that's why I think he's getting reps too, because 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.800 I think they're trying to find out, Okay, which one 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.280 of these guys could really be an effective player for us, 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.520 are enough, or maybe they're auditioning Pachie to possibly move 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:21.120 them in a deal. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.280 I agree. I think I think Wilson gives you more 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:25.080 than Poche. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.720 I agree with that he can steal a base better, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.560 he's aggressive over he can play all the all you know, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:32.560