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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 1: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky. It is Monday,

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Speaker 1: July twenty second, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Phillies just got out of Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: They eke out a win on Sunday to avoid the sweep.

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Speaker 1: They snapped a season high three game losing streak, and

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Speaker 1: now they're in Minnesota for a three game series against

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Speaker 1: the Twins. But the Pittsburgh series, guys, they probably should

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Speaker 1: have won two out of three. And I think the

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Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people are talking about is

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Speaker 1: Jose Alvarado. Jose Alvarado on Friday Night struggles a little bit,

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Speaker 1: does struggle a little bett. He struggles and blows a

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Speaker 1: save on Friday, and he bounces back, looks a little

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Speaker 1: bit better on Sunday. But you know, as the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline approaches, we're gonna be talking a lot about trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: different options, different needs. And we've already talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about the bullpen. Would you get another arm? Is it

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Speaker 1: a bigger priority than the right handed bat?

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Speaker 2: Fourth outfielder type?

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Speaker 1: Is your level of concern of Jose Alvarado, he's certainly

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Speaker 1: not performing like he has you know, the last couple

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Speaker 3: Well, it is of some concern, There's no question about it,

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Speaker 3: because he goes in these ebbs and flows. Now he

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Speaker 3: can be the most dominant left hander in the game

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Speaker 3: and has been at times, especially last year. He really

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Speaker 3: turned it around, and he had been dominant at times

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Speaker 3: in the early part of this season after that slow start.

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Speaker 3: But you just got to be a little bit concerned.

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Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, he's going

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Speaker 3: to be fine. The trust factor though, when you start

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Speaker 3: talking about winning World Series championships, that's where you know

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Speaker 3: the rubber meets the road. And for me, I love

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Speaker 3: Jose Alvarado. I love what he brings to the table.

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Speaker 3: I love his stuff. But the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: can you trust him to get the last couple of

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Speaker 3: outs of the game. Can you trust Hoffman to get

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Speaker 3: the last couple of outs or three outs of the game.

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Speaker 3: And I think you can trust him to get some outs,

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Speaker 3: but it may not come all the time.

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Speaker 4: And so that's why I feel like.

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Speaker 3: You know, they probably would really benefit and I think

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Speaker 3: it is a necessity for them to add a eighth

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Speaker 3: or ninth inning guy or a twelve trusted veteran guy

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Speaker 3: to get outs in the back end of the bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Kirk Ring's thrown okay, but he is vulnerable right now

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Speaker 3: because he's not throwing his sinker and his fastball as

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Speaker 3: consistently and the sweeper they're sitting on and so they're

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Speaker 3: having some success against him. Hoffman has been great, strong guy,

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Speaker 3: banged around a little bit, but everybody, I mean, it

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Speaker 3: didn't matter who was coming in against O'Neil Cruz. That

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Speaker 3: man was just hot as hell, and so you could

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Speaker 3: throw in the kitchen sink at him and it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have mattered. But again, I really think it's all about

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: winning series and winning championships, you gotta have as many

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Speaker 3: arms that you can trust back there as you possibly

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Speaker 3: can't if you do not have a bonafide nail knock

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'll say this about Alvarado because you

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Speaker 5: brought him up. It was good to see him get

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Speaker 5: out of Pittsburgh with a good outing because he you know,

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Speaker 5: Friday night was very difficult. The whole month, really the

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Speaker 5: whole season, he has not been as sharp as as

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Speaker 5: we've seen him in previous years. I think the stuff

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Speaker 5: is just a tick different, not as good. Still very good,

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Speaker 5: but not like double plus very good. It's concerning the

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Speaker 5: strikeout rate is not what it has been in previous years.

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Speaker 5: But in the small picture here this month, just not

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Speaker 5: throwing enough strikes, walking as many as he has struck out,

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Speaker 5: putting free met you know, give out those free passes.

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Speaker 5: You know, they turned into runs. We saw it with Elorado,

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Speaker 5: we saw it with Straw in this series. It was

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Speaker 5: really a difference maker in Pittsburgh. So I do believe

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Speaker 5: that when you're talking about elite athletes, they you know,

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Speaker 5: they will have ups and downs, and sometimes you're just

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Speaker 5: So maybe Sunday afternoons game in Pittsburgh, where you know,

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Speaker 5: he did have that slider sweeper back and it was

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Speaker 5: He was getting some strikeouts, so that was good. Maybe

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Speaker 5: that is something you know he can build on. But

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Speaker 5: even before his struggles, I thought this team needed another

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Speaker 5: arm out there late in the game. Kind of Ruben

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Speaker 5: alluded to this with the word trust somebody who's been

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Speaker 5: because October is such a different beast, and you know,

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Speaker 5: these guys have been there in October. Now. Alvarado strong

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Speaker 5: those guys, so that experience they've gained over the last

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Speaker 5: two years will definitely help them. But I think they

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Speaker 5: need another arm late in the game, and I think

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Speaker 5: Dave dombroskis going to deliver on that. Not sure where

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Speaker 5: I think Dombroski's going to deliver on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The other thing, the only only thing I will say

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Speaker 3: about the Alvarado thing is it's really about his command.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if he's trusting his stuff as

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Speaker 3: much because the stuff is not quite it's just a

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Speaker 3: tick down, as Jim said, And so when you trust

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Speaker 4: He's really been able to pound over the years.

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Speaker 3: He's been able to pound those right handers in with

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Speaker 3: that basketball cutter combination.

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Speaker 4: That command right now has.

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Speaker 3: Eluded him and he hasn't really had the ability to

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Speaker 3: do that. It's consistent has he's done.

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Speaker 4: In the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in Pittsburgh this week, but machill brought

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Speaker 1: something interesting, and it's kind of if they would go

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Speaker 1: out and get another closer, lady encloser, you could you

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Speaker 1: can match up Alvarado more in the earlier innings, sixth,

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Speaker 1: seventh inning, eighth inning against lefty bats. He's been still

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Speaker 1: still effective against especially against lefty bats. But that's something

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Speaker 1: that they can do if they get it, go out

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Speaker 1: and get another arm because now you can have that

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Speaker 1: But yees strikeout rates down is swinging missus down, and

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Speaker 1: they got to get him. They got to get him

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Speaker 1: lined up going forward. Tyler Phillips, though he saved the

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Speaker 1: day on Sunday, Tyler Phillips, he's got to be loving

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Speaker 1: life right now. I can only imagine what it's like

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Speaker 1: for Tyler Phillips. He grows up Philly's fan and he

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Speaker 1: he's he's given him exactly what they need.

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Speaker 5: When I watched Phillips pitch, I just see a lot

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Speaker 5: of poise in twenty five and he doesn't, you know,

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Speaker 5: he kind of acts it like he's climbed a Ar

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Speaker 5: he's going to enjoy it. This is the times of

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Speaker 5: his life. He's pitching for his hometown team. And you know,

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Speaker 5: those stories are really nice, they're if they're fun to write,

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Speaker 5: they're you know, hometown boy. But they don't last long

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Speaker 5: if you don't if you don't deliver. And he went

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Speaker 5: out there for a team yesterday that had lost two straight.

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Speaker 5: Spots Wheels coming out of the break and pitched six,

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Speaker 5: six quality innings, six shutout innings, did a great job,

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Speaker 5: kept the ball down, had it moving two ways down

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Speaker 5: Phillies starting pitching staff. They you know, not everybody's up

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Speaker 5: you know, it exploits the corners, different quadrants and moves

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Speaker 5: sure he's on cloud nine, but he's doing a good

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Speaker 5: very very important. Like you said, who you know, Turnbull's

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Speaker 5: when he's back, and Taiwan Walker is, you know, just

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Speaker 5: probably just starting to throw. He's going to be a

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Speaker 5: ways away. There's an opportunity to be seized. And you know,

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Speaker 5: he has done a really good I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jim, I I agree with you. I think he's.

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Speaker 3: He's had a very good job of managing his emotions.

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Speaker 3: He looks like a pretty emotional person. I think you

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Speaker 3: I like the fact that he you know, that he

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Speaker 3: same time, you also have to be as you know,

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Speaker 3: globous in the front office, is the guy scared? Is

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Speaker 3: he afraid? Is he afraid of the barrel? And it

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Speaker 3: doesn't seem like he is. And that is as important

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Speaker 3: an element as there is because in this day and age,

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Speaker 3: do is try to miss the barrel. This guy, as

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Speaker 3: you said, Jim, he pitches, keeps the ball down. Imagine

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Speaker 5: Got a big double play yesterday by not being afraid

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Speaker 5: being scared. It just strikes me as being so important

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Speaker 5: because not only does the other lineup since it when

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Speaker 5: you're scared and all of a sudden, it's like sharks

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Speaker 5: sense it and they just don't have the confidence behind you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, listen, I went through that.

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Speaker 3: I went through a spell as a young player where

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Speaker 3: and I'll never forget this. Darren Dalton grabbed me after

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Speaker 3: I remember him after the game. He ended up losing

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Speaker 3: the game, I run or whatever, and he said to me, Man,

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Speaker 3: glad he said something to me. And that was one

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Speaker 3: From then on, I thought to myself, you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: And so those are those.

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Speaker 3: you got no chance.

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Speaker 4: And Jim said it, I mean it is. You're right

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Speaker 4: He's got decent stuff.

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Speaker 2: He's present he's presenting beautifully.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jim. So we literally brought him up at

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Speaker 5: And he just has to be a number five starter.

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Speaker 4: Let's the other four guys take care of the rest

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance that he's just too

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Speaker 6: It too much?

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Speaker 3: Nine and then he and then he bet came back

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Speaker 4: It happens. Okay, he's not so young. At some point

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Speaker 3: And then you'll see hell he handles things once things

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Speaker 5: I think you're probably going to be pursuing that guy

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Speaker 4: That pach is doing because.

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Speaker 7: So so I think it's really to me, it's more

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Speaker 4: I think there's there's two parts to this, and.

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Speaker 5: I agree. I think I think Wilson gives you more

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Speaker 3: I agree with that he can steal a base better,

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Speaker 4: He probably can play center field.

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Speaker 4: I believe that centerfield.

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Speaker 5: He keeps hitting, you know, maybe left field becomes a

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Speaker 5: He's got a real he's got an interesting skill set,

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Speaker 4: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: He definitely does so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he gives you a good quality of bats.

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Speaker 1: It seems like so the Phillies are in Minnesota this week,

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Speaker 4: You're in Minnesota, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, you know my mom's Yeah, well you know

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Speaker 5: And then after the game, you can go to a

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Speaker 5: nice fish fry.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, I get a good Walleye stick, Jimmy, Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: remember Walleye on a stick at Time Field when jim.

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Speaker 5: Toley made his return to the Phillies. Was it fifteen twelve,

443
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Speaker 5: twenty twelve, twenty twelve, God, I can't get my dates,

444
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 5: but he, jim Tomy makes his return to Philly and

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Speaker 5: we were in that Minnesota target Field. Beautiful ballpark.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a nice ballpark, really nice. I got a

447
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Speaker 4: chance to open it up. Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: He hit a bomb to a center field and I

449
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 5: swear it one hopped off the concourse and went into

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Speaker 5: the concession stand where they sell the walleye fried walleye.

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Speaker 5: It bounced right in there, right.

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Speaker 2: He crushed it. Yeah, he cleared the batter's eye. He

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Speaker 2: cleared the batter's eye.

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Speaker 1: Ruben, you remember this, Like he had not played at

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Speaker 1: all beginning of twenty twelve, and then he had this

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Speaker 1: run of ale games and so finally Tomy got a

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Speaker 1: chance to play, and he hit like six home runs

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Speaker 1: in like twelve games, and then he ended up, you know,

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Speaker 1: ended up trading him like a few weeks later, the Orioles.

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Speaker 1: But he killed that ball, and it was so funny.

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Speaker 1: After the game, he kind of referenced to Jim, you

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Speaker 1: remember this, he said, uh, he's he said, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: landed on a walleye on a stick, And we all

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Speaker 1: kind and we all and we all kind of laughed.

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Speaker 2: We all kind of laughed.

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Speaker 1: And then like Jim being Jim, he's so earnest, he goes,

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Speaker 1: I was just joking on about it landing on a

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Speaker 1: walle eye. But that's that's where they send the wall eyes.

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Speaker 1: That's where they sell the walle eyes out there, like like.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jim, we got it.

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Speaker 1: It didn't actually land on a wall on a stick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you talked about Jim in Minnesota and he sent

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Speaker 3: me and you can't see it. Maybe I could show

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Speaker 3: it to you, but he sent me picture of his

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Speaker 3: like it was five hundredth Oh, really cool.

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Speaker 5: He hit a milestone homer on when he was playing

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Speaker 5: for them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was either five hundred or four hundredth I

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Speaker 3: can't remember.

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Speaker 4: There's not very many. I think it was a five

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Speaker 4: hundredth Yeah, home run there in Minnesota and he sent

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Speaker 4: that to me.

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Speaker 2: That's all good, all time.

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Speaker 1: Good guy, Jim, he's a good boy, Yes.

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Speaker 2: He is, Yes he is.

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Speaker 1: But so what are we What are you guys hoping

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Speaker 1: to see from Ranger and Zach tonight and tomorrow? Is

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Speaker 1: it's just normal effectiveness. You're not looking for anything fancy,

490
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: I assume right, you don't need.

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Speaker 5: I want to see some command out of Ranger, and

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Speaker 5: I want to see some Rangers, some a little bit

493
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Speaker 5: of that Ranger swagger, you know, Yeah, just to tell

494
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Speaker 5: me he feels good and he believes. And I'm looking

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Speaker 5: at a lot of the intangibles in the body language.

496
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 5: I'm looking for him to uh to locate, but also

497
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Speaker 5: to attack Hitters have that mentality that the same mentality

498
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 5: had most of the first half, that quiet I'm better

499
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 5: than you and I'm gonna get you out.

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Speaker 3: I'm right with you, Jim, and it really it's a

501
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: command of his He needs his sinker and he needs

502
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: his curveball to be working. That curveball has been sort

503
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 3: of eluding him as far as h this overall command

504
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: of all of this stuff.

505
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Speaker 4: The sharpness the swaggers.

506
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Speaker 3: Is another thing, like, hey man, I'm just gonna get

507
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: up there and we're gonna I'm gonna.

508
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Speaker 4: Get you out with this.

509
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: And then Wheeler, I'm not worried about Wheeler. Just health,

510
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: Just make sure he's okay. I'm not worried about Wheeler.

511
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Speaker 3: That Wheeler thing is overblown, I think, and I think

512
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Speaker 3: it's just it'll be interesting to see how sharp they

513
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Speaker 3: are because they haven't pitched for a while, right, right

514
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Speaker 3: Ranger who hasn't pitched for maybe ten days, and the

515
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Speaker 3: other guy.

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Speaker 1: For I think Zach's like thirteen days.

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Speaker 3: He hates not he hates not being a routine. I

518
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 3: understand why he's not, but he doesn't like doing that.

519
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see how.

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Speaker 4: Sharp he is.

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Speaker 3: If he can to me for both of them, if

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Speaker 3: they can get through that first ending, okay, I'm sort

523
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: of unscathed. Hopefully they'll get a feel for, you know,

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00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: for their mechanics and the strike zone, and they'll be fine.

525
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Speaker 1: And I think they'll be comfortable knowing that. I assume

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Speaker 1: j T will be behind the plate for both of

527
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: those games, So get JT back. You know, Wheeler loves

528
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: thrown at JT. You know a lot of everybody loves

529
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: thrown at JT. So you get they get that security

530
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: blanket as well on Monday and Tuesday. Not that they

531
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: necessarily need it, but doesn't hurt have JT behind the plate.

532
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: No doubt.

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Speaker 5: You think Wheeler was throwing bullpens in the driveway during

534
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 5: the break, I mean no, no, think he was just

535
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 5: shut down to do something to keep his arm.

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Speaker 4: He threw bullpens.

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Speaker 3: He threw a bullpen or too, but probably touched and

538
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: feel probably nothing's too serious. Just to make sure he's

539
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: physically okay, right, he does.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't like the lays.

541
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Speaker 5: It'd be interesting to see if there's any rust, and

542
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 5: if there is, I wouldn't be troubled by it. It's

543
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 5: probably natural. You just want to see really good health

544
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 5: because if if you see that good health, then this

545
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 5: star in Minnesota could be a launching pad to three

546
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: excellent months. And you need you need, you need three

547
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 5: good months, and then you need a great one. You

548
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: need two great months. They need a great one in October.

549
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: Right, exactly.

550
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: Uh, well, well, we'll be back later this week. Talk

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00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: more phillies, Phillies twins. Monday Night Ranger Suarez is back.

552
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: Yes it is, Yes, they are. That will be a

553
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: good test for him.

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00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 5: So Tod, you're gonna get it. You're gonna get a

555
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 5: juicy lucy.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yes, you better get a walleye on the stick.

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00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: I might get a while on a stick. But juicy Lucy.

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00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: That's juicy. Oh, juicy Lucy.

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00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: There's uh, it's a cheeseburger with molten cheese in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the burger.

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Speaker 4: No wonder, no wonder. Jim asked about that.

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00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: That sounds like this, that's I can see you're salivating, James.

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00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: The best thing about the juice.

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00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: The best thing about the juicy Lucy is you. They'd say, like,

565
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, they cook the cheese in the middle, so

566
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: it's molten cheese and no matter how many times you

567
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: get it, you always forget and then you bite into it,

568
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: you just like burn the crap out of your face

569
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: like that.

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00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 5: It's like in Minneapolis, Saint Paul thing. Yeah, it is

571
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 5: a big slab of that Midwest cheddar. And so take

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00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 5: two stoned patties a big slab of that homemade Midwest cheddar,

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00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 5: and they glue, you know, stick it all together, and

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00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 5: they put it on. They give it a nice sere

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00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 5: and then yeah, it's like liquefied when you bite into it.

576
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 5: But you got to be careful because you burn your lips.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I kind of I think I want to

579
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: try to make one of those today.

580
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: You could probably make one.

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00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure. Look it up online.

582
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: You cane slice of cheese in between the two patties.

583
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 5: And got yeah in the middle and then h then

584
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 5: you hit it with a lot of you the veggies

585
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 5: from the garden. It's little hallpeno or you're talking.

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00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: Now, Jimmy's down, Jimmy get taking it now, he's he

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00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: We were here and Jimmy went here.

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00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: You go to elevaty.

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00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: I actually know a place and I can tell you

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00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: off camera. But this guy will grind you up some

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00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 5: short rib into burgers.

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00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: H wow, look up the juicy lucy.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you can find a recipe online and see

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00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: how you can do it. And if you make it,

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00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: just just just let a cool off for about five

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00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: minutes before you put into whether so you'll you'll have

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00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: to go to the don't get yeah, and protect your

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00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: jowls at all costs.

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00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: They're important.

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00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 5: The family jowls, the family jowls, the.

601
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: Famous, the famous Amaro family jowls.

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00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll be back later this week.

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Speaker 5: Smell your ladd boys.

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