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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: Morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy Charlamagne de Goud. We are to

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 3: the director of the Anti Defamation lead, Jonathan Green Black.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Good morning, DJ.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling this morning?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad I'm here.

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Speaker 1: We've definitely got stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Man, what is going on in the world For people

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Speaker 4: that don't know, don't understand what is going on in

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Speaker 4: Israel and Gaza?

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Speaker 2: What is happening?

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Speaker 1: Look it is Uh, these are dark days. These are

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Speaker 1: dark dark days. I would say that this last week

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Speaker 1: has probably been the toughest week of my adult life.

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Speaker 1: So last Friday night, around one thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 1: I got a call from that of my Israel office,

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Speaker 1: who lives in a town called Modeen, who said, you know,

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Speaker 1: when the phone rings at one thirty in the morning,

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Speaker 1: you know, I look at the phone and she said, Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: there are hundreds, maybe thousands of rockets coming into Israel.

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Speaker 1: She said, I don't know exactly what's going on, but

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Speaker 1: you need to know something's up. And so then I

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Speaker 1: called my other staff in Israel and was basically up

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Speaker 1: all night trying to figure out what was going on.

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Speaker 1: And then I would say it was around six in

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Speaker 1: the morning that we started to get word here of

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Speaker 1: what had actually happened. So it turned out that those

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Speaker 1: rockets that were sent by Ramas into civilian targets in

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Speaker 1: Israel were sort of a cover or a distraction for

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Speaker 1: what was really happening, which was this terrorist infiltration and

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Speaker 1: the massacres that took place up and down the Gaza

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Speaker 1: border in all of these surrounding towns. And they were brutal,

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Speaker 1: I mean the stories that are still coming out. More

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Speaker 1: than thirteen hundred civilians not just killed, although they were,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a slaughter. It was a slaughter.

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Speaker 4: But he said, the largest what are the largest number

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Speaker 4: of Jewish people killed in one day since almost the Holocaust?

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Speaker 1: Jesus, this is I think the largest terrorist active terrorism

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Speaker 1: since nine to eleven. I think it's one of the

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Speaker 1: largest acts of terrorism since the Second World War. And

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Speaker 1: these people weren't just killed, I mean they were slaughtered.

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Speaker 1: Don't I say slaughtered. They were raped, they were tortured,

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Speaker 1: babies were burned in their cribs, children were executed in

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Speaker 1: front of their parents. Parents were executed in front of

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Speaker 1: their children. Elderly people were shot in the head at

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Speaker 1: point blank range. And they didn't just kill Israeli Jews.

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Speaker 1: Israeli Arabs were killed, Asian people who live and work

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Speaker 1: in Israel. There were videos of Thai people being killed.

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Speaker 1: I saw one man a video of one man being

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's bloodied, he'd been brutalized, being beheaded with

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Speaker 1: a shovel. Filipino workers were killed. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: died at this music festival. There was a music festival,

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Speaker 1: a piece festival, and these men came in on like

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Speaker 1: mechanized hand gliders of some sort with automatic weapons and

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Speaker 1: gunned down approximately two hundred and sixty young people. These

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Speaker 1: are boys and girls and teenagers. Shot them in the back.

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Speaker 1: Some of the people who'd come in on land were

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Speaker 1: dressed as Israeli medics. They were in like uniforms, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they were in the parking lot. Apparently they stationed

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Speaker 1: themselves in the parking lot. So these men flew in

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Speaker 1: and as I understand, the concert goers who filmed it

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Speaker 1: thought it was part of the show. It's like a rave.

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Speaker 1: They shot them, shot at them, and the people ran

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Speaker 1: medics there who they thought came into help, and then

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Speaker 1: these terrorists and killed them all. They burned people alive

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Speaker 1: didn't kill, that they didn't maim, that they didn't mutilate.

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Speaker 1: They raped a lot of the women before they killed them.

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Speaker 1: There were stories about women who were shot in the

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Speaker 1: were then seized and brought into gaza. And so we

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Speaker 1: know this because we have the footage. This is the thing.

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Speaker 1: We have the footage of all of this because these

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Speaker 1: They had the grandmother, oh, give them her phone, open

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Speaker 2: Well, the grandmother saw her.

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Speaker 1: The granddaughter, Sorry if I said it wrong. The granddaughter

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Speaker 1: learned that her grandmother had been killed because these men

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Speaker 1: from the grandmother's phone. But they've seized a lot of

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Speaker 1: these people and they've brought them into Gaza. And again

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Speaker 1: we have the footage of all this. We have the

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Speaker 1: footage of the murders. We have the footage of the torture,

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Speaker 1: we have the footage of the beheadings. We have a

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Speaker 1: footage of these people in Gaza like that. There's a

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Speaker 1: number ofos you may have seen them. There's one video

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Speaker 1: There's a video, another video I've seen, of a young

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Speaker 1: I mean it's bloody, you know, and they're leading her

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Speaker 1: some kind of I don't know, trophy or something. So

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Speaker 1: I mean these things, these videos, like I can't get

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Speaker 1: them out of my mind. Like, you know, we talk

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Speaker 1: about what happened in Rwanda, we talk about what happened

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Speaker 1: and these are like things over there, right, And I'm

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Speaker 1: not minimizing them at all, but oftentimes these are incidents

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Speaker 1: for which we don't have the live footage, and they

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Speaker 1: it like it's hard for us to relate to them.

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Speaker 2: You can see.

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Speaker 4: It's like when they put the pictures of the Via

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Speaker 2: You can see it. You can actually see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And like these are I mean it's like live in

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Speaker 1: color on your phone, real time. And again like the

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Speaker 1: applauding of it and the apparent you know, grotesque macabre

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Speaker 1: fun of it. For these people, it's just a kind

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Speaker 1: of sadism that I mean, look, I know people who

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Speaker 1: my son's camp counselor. My son goes to a Jewish

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Speaker 1: overnight camp. A lot of kids go to camp, and

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Speaker 1: they have some Israelis who come in into the counselors.

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Speaker 1: The counselor from his bunk had been missing since all

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Speaker 1: identified as corpse overnight. So I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: was one of the people who was burned beyond recognition.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was one of the people

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Speaker 1: who was beheaded, and so they didn't have an easy

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Speaker 1: way to know who he was, but they just figured

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Speaker 1: it out, you know, six days later.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. So asking in friends

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Speaker 3: and people tell me that the Israeli military is very strong. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they also told me there's a lot of military

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Speaker 3: and they also said that they have this technology that

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Speaker 3: I believe that only the Israeli military in the United

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Speaker 3: States has, where they can block missiles that come and

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Speaker 3: it's like a high percentage rate of them block. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's called the Iron Dome, the Iron Dome.

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Speaker 3: So what happened to those strategies were none of that

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I don't know exactly, but here's what

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Speaker 1: I think, MV. I think what happened was, Look, this was,

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Speaker 1: first of all, we think about Hamas and I think

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Speaker 1: clearly there were a lot of failures here. There were

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Speaker 1: intelligence failures, a military failure, a technology failure, and a

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Speaker 1: moral failure. And I'll talk about that a bit, but

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Speaker 1: just on the military fit technology failure, I think that Look,

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Speaker 1: the Comas is not some random group of guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's a highly trained military force that's been groomed over

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Speaker 1: and so I think what they did was they identified

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Speaker 1: the Israeli like technology centers like the antenna and the

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Speaker 1: could surveil or detect, and they took them out and

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Speaker 1: I think that inhibited the Israeli response. I also think

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Speaker 1: that the Israelis did not believe they had the capability

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Speaker 1: of launching missiles like that. But what we now know

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Speaker 1: why because they've they filmed it. Hamas was you know,

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Speaker 1: there's been a big water crisis in Gaza for years.

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Speaker 1: To step back like Gaza is a is an impoverished,

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Speaker 1: very tough place like our hearts should break for the

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Speaker 1: people of Gaza right who live under a repressive Hamas regime,

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Speaker 1: who have suffered greatly like we should. There's there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a human dimension to this on that side that

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Speaker 1: we you can't talk about this without talking about that

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Speaker 1: who's faulted it? What's Haramas's fault? One hundred percent? Now

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a good example of it. So the

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Speaker 1: also been this water crisis for years, a lack of

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Speaker 1: So it turns out, and now we know this because

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Speaker 1: they filmed it, that Hamas has been taking the water

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Speaker 1: into missiles. So where did Hamas get thousands of missiles?

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Speaker 2: They didn't.

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Speaker 1: The Israelis would never prevent missile parts from going in,

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Speaker 1: neither with the Egyptians. Where did they come from? They

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Speaker 1: into missiles. And again you can see the footage of this.

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Speaker 1: So we say whose fault is it? Like it is

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Speaker 1: reasonable to say that it would be I mean, Gaza

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Speaker 1: does not need to be like this. It does not

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Speaker 1: need to be the most densely placed, the most I

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Speaker 1: don't know this is exactly most densely, but a highly densely,

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Speaker 1: highly impoverished pocket. But the reason why it is that,

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Speaker 1: the reason why it is in such bad straits is

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Speaker 1: because of the Hamas that runs it, that took over

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Speaker 1: in a coup d'tat in two thousand and five or

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Speaker 1: maybe two thousand and seven. The Hamas that has not

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Speaker 1: had an election in sixteen years, The Hamas that forces

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Speaker 1: women to wear hijabs, The Hamas that hangs gay people

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Speaker 1: or kills them. You know, there are no gay people

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Speaker 1: in gods are at least open or out. The Hamas

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Speaker 1: that doesn't allow the construction of churches or you know,

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Speaker 1: that's the reason why the situation is where it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Israel doesn't have its problems. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying Israel shouldn't do more. I mean, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been here before, and I've been an active, active, fierce,

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Speaker 1: ferocious advocate for a two state solution for years, and

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Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot of criticism from some in my community,

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Speaker 1: But I've always believed, I still believe as we sit

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Speaker 1: sustainable peace unless you have safety and security for Israelis

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Speaker 1: and dignity and equality for Palestinians. That's what I believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever build walls that are

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Speaker 3: Do you think this is start another World war?

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Speaker 1: we were thrown out and we've lived all over. Now

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Speaker 1: there are Jews who don't live in the Jewish State

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Speaker 1: like me, and millions of other people. Nonetheless, it's a

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Speaker 1: Jewish state. So when Ramas says that we want to

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Speaker 1: kill the Zionists, and when Ramas says it's the obligation,

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Speaker 1: it says again, I'm reading from their charter Article seven.

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Speaker 1: The day of judgment will not come until Moslems fight

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Speaker 1: Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind

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Speaker 1: rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out, oh, Maslem,

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Speaker 1: there is a Jew hiding behind me, Come and kill him. So,

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Speaker 1: as I read this, this is not about again Palestinian identity.

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Speaker 1: This is not about dignity, equality of ordinary people. This

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Speaker 1: is about killing Jews. Which is why the head of

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Speaker 1: the of Hamas, who by the way, lives in Cutter.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't live in Gaza, he doesn't live in the

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Speaker 1: West Bank. He lives in Cutter in a villa that's

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Speaker 1: where most of their leaders actually live. They don't live

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Speaker 1: in Gaza, even though Hamas controls it, because their afraid

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Speaker 1: the Israelis will get them, so they live in They

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Speaker 1: live very posh lives, driving Mercedes Benzes in very nice

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Speaker 1: digs in Doha. But he did a video earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week and he called for a day of jihad today,

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Speaker 1: a day of jihad, and said that again Muslims should

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Speaker 1: go and kill Jews wherever they are, which is why

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Speaker 1: in New York today there's a police presence in front

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Speaker 1: of every synagogue and every school. Because what the Haramash

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Speaker 1: Charter tells us, what the Haramas leadership tells us, is

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Speaker 1: that all the Jews are targets. And I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: just the reality. So Israelis do not say that all

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Speaker 1: Palestinians are targets Jewish people. They're not my synagogue talking

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Speaker 1: about muslim Not only do I talk about that, like

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Speaker 1: if you remember, like this organization, the one that I run,

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Speaker 1: eighty IL fights Islamophobia. I have criticized Israeli government for

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Speaker 1: its policies toward Palestinians. I stood up in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: in November after the election, when Donald Trump not my

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Speaker 1: cup of tea? Did this? You know? He was talking

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Speaker 1: about a registering Muslims. Do you remember this? And I

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Speaker 1: stood up in front of a crowd of people and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm the grandson of a Holocaust survivor. My

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Speaker 1: grandfather lost everything, well if his family was slaughtered and exterminated.

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Speaker 1: And I said, you know, as a proud Jew, if

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Speaker 1: there is if you try to register Muslims, I'll be

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Speaker 1: the first person to register myself as a Muslim because

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Speaker 1: I think I think it was an atrocious idea, and

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Speaker 1: I will fight anti Muslim bias with every fiber in

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Speaker 1: my being. But there aren't Jewish people saying kill all

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Speaker 1: the Muslims. And there certainly isn't it. The Jewish government,

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Speaker 1: if you want to call it that in Israel is

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Speaker 1: certainly not saying kill all Palestinians. And no one is

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Speaker 1: saying that the appropriate response to what happened is to

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Speaker 1: go to a Palestinian music concert and gun down their

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Speaker 1: children and burn them in their cars. So the level

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Speaker 1: of savagery here is just off the charts. The idea

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Speaker 1: that somehow my our synagogue I'm in here in New

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Speaker 1: York is a legitimate military target, Like do I need

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Speaker 1: to say how insane that is?

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Speaker 3: But if they are, if they're considered a terrorist group. Great,

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Speaker 3: as what you said, when when the world sees a

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Speaker 3: terrorist group, we usually go and try to find or

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Speaker 3: get that terrorist group. Right, how come that hasn't been

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Speaker 3: the same for this case or has it been?

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Speaker 1: It's a really good question. Env So, yeah, Hamas is

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Speaker 1: a foreign terrorist organization designated by the US State departments

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Speaker 1: of the governments. And yet I would say that the

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Speaker 1: Israelis don't assassinate, kidnap, arrest HAMAS figures around the world.

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Speaker 1: They don't do that. Maybe they should? They don't.

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Speaker 3: Could they usually do that for other quote unquote terrorists.

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Speaker 1: Groups in the United States? Has the United Kingdom has

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Speaker 1: for sure? Israelis don't do that. Maybe they should? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Israeli, I mean the Hamas. Like you know that wall,

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Speaker 1: the terror wall that's built in much of the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing. It's a terrible thing. The Israelis

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Speaker 1: built it after Hamas did a wave of suicide bombings.

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Speaker 1: If you remember this, they had people strap themselves with

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Speaker 1: explosives and go into cafes and dance clubs and go

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Speaker 1: on public buses and thousands of Israelis were killed in

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Speaker 1: the nineties and that's why they did that. Sorry, it

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Speaker 1: was the early two thousands of the nineties. Uh, but

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Speaker 1: you know, no, Actually I'm wrong. It was the mid nineties,

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Speaker 1: and it was in response to the Oslo Accords. It

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Speaker 1: was in a response that push for a two state solution.

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Speaker 1: Hamas doesn't want a two state solution. They don't they

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Speaker 1: say it, they have demonstrated it. And again, when you

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Speaker 1: butcher children, like when you behead babies, clearly you have

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Speaker 1: reached a point where you do not think the other

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Speaker 1: side are people. I mean, you do not think that Israelis,

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Speaker 1: whether they call us Israelis or Zionists or Jews, all

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Speaker 1: the same. You don't think they're people. You think they're animals.

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Speaker 1: You think they're less than animals. We don't burn animals alive,

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Speaker 1: we don't behead animals, we don't rape animals, we don't

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Speaker 1: do that. And I think you can clearly see through

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Speaker 1: their actions that they regard these they regard Jews as subhuman.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's also hard for us,

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Speaker 1: and it's probably hard for your audience. Like, look, it's

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Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it still happen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got electric cars, artificial intelligence, we've cracked the

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Speaker 1: genome code, we're trying to address climate change. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't think, you don't expect that there are people

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Speaker 1: out there who are so brainwashed and are so suffused

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Speaker 1: with hate. But you know, I wrote this book. I

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Speaker 1: was on your show talking about my book it could

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Speaker 1: happen here. And the point of the book it could

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Speaker 1: happen here was what happens when hate goes to the unthinkable?

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Speaker 1: And how can we stop it? Like, and the whole

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Speaker 1: point of the book was when you use this hateful rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: when you demonize people, when you dehumanize them, it creates

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Speaker 1: a conditions in which genocide can happen. And so whis

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Speaker 1: why we got to stop it. Why we speak out

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Speaker 1: against hate when we see it anti semitism, anti black racism,

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Speaker 1: anti you know, Hispanic xenophobia, you speak out against it,

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Speaker 1: because if you don't speak out against hateful comments, it

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Speaker 1: can you know, a sort of like what would you

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Speaker 1: call like evolve or can move up the chain from

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Speaker 1: comments to actions to systemic systemic policies to violence to

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Speaker 1: genocide and when I wrote that two years ago. It

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Speaker 1: was certainly based on things like the Holocaust, It was

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Speaker 1: based on things like Rwanda. It was based on what

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Speaker 1: I thought the world had learned. And yet here we are,

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Speaker 1: you know, literally sifting through the rubble and counting the bodies,

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Speaker 1: trying to identify the victims in a way which suggests

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Speaker 1: we haven't learned the lessons at all.

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Speaker 4: What would you say to people who say that because

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Speaker 4: you said you've criticized the iss before, Sure have MSNBC

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Speaker 4: I saw something yesterday said Israel's far right government fuel

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Speaker 4: tensions with Hamas.

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Speaker 1: So what would you say to look at Kamas wrote

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Speaker 1: their charter in nineteen eighty seven. Nineteen eighty seven last year,

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government was a coalition. It's a coalition government.

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Speaker 1: They had Jews and Muslims in the government. They hadn't

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Speaker 1: they had gay and straight and conservative and liberal. This

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Speaker 1: government is certainly more conservative, more right wing than that one.

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Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is Hamas didn't change

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Speaker 1: their charter when they were you know, Palestinian Arabs in

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government. So I don't think it matters who's

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Speaker 1: in the Israeli government. BB in Yahoo in the government Hamas,

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see so I do. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: do what they do regardless.

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Speaker 1: Hamas is going to do what they do regardless. Hamas's

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Speaker 1: charter hasn't changed. So it's certainly true that, like I

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Speaker 1: have been, someone who's been pushed the Israeli government for

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Speaker 1: years to negotiate with the Palestinian authority to try to

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Speaker 1: find ways, try to explore, try to use their kind

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Speaker 1: of political and moral imagination to find ways to bridge gaps.

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Speaker 1: Because again I meant what I said before, but two

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Speaker 1: state solution. But when the when I see no public

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Speaker 1: demonstrations in the Arab capitals, when I see no words

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Speaker 1: from the Palestinian leadership, when I see them in fact,

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Speaker 1: celebrating and hooting and hollering and giving out candies, it

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Speaker 1: feels like they don't want a two state solution. They

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Speaker 1: want a final solution. And the final solution is the

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Speaker 1: term that Hitler used to describe what he wanted for Europe,

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Speaker 1: which was to exterminate all the Jews. And what we

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Speaker 1: saw happen this weekend in Israel was an extermination of

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Speaker 1: the Jews. And so for Jewish people like me who

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Speaker 1: lived just two generations from genocide. Is this is you know,

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Speaker 1: a book. This isn't some abstraction, This is reality.

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Speaker 4: Is it true when they say that the far right

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Speaker 4: government in Israel has escalated military occupations over Palestinians in

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Speaker 4: the name of Jewish supremacy.

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Speaker 1: Look, so a couple of things. First, there's gods in

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Speaker 1: the West Bank. So let's break it down what the

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Speaker 1: difference is. So, first you have the West Bank. The

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Speaker 1: west Bank is the area that's controlled by the Palestinian authority.

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Speaker 1: There is a strong as military presence. They're still in

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Speaker 1: parts of it. There's area there are different areas, they're

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Speaker 1: designated areas A, B, and C. There are parts of

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Speaker 1: the west Bank that Israel doesn't go in at all.

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Speaker 1: There are parts that are totally controlled by the PA.

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Speaker 1: There are parts that are controlled by the Israelis. And

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Speaker 1: it's true that the net and Yahoo government has allowed

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Speaker 1: for the building of settlements and parts of those area

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Speaker 1: that are infuriating to Palestinians because they can't build the

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Speaker 1: same way. And again, hopefully when there is a two

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Speaker 1: state solution or there is some motor of peace like

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Speaker 1: that area is going to be controlled by the Palestinians,

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Speaker 1: so they can live with dignity and equality. So there's

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Speaker 1: no question that policies of the current government in Israel

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Speaker 1: have done nothing to strengthen the opportunity for peace in

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Speaker 1: that part of the land. Then there's Gaza, Gaza that

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Speaker 1: Hamas controls. Gaza, Israelis withdrew from in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: The Israelis used to have settlements there. They used to

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Speaker 1: be Idf presence there. They're gone. Like when I say

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Speaker 1: they're gone, there isn't a single Israeli in that ship

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Speaker 1: of land, not one zero. That's part of why there

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Speaker 1: was this intelligence fail because no Israelis there. The Israelis

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Speaker 1: do control the borders into Gaza, as does Egypt. So

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Speaker 1: Gaza is bordered by Israel and Egypt. So now it's

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Speaker 1: true again the Israelis control the flow of things into Gaza,

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Speaker 1: like cement and supplies. Why do they do that because

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Speaker 1: there are that the Kamas will use cement and supplies

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Speaker 1: to build arms. Turns out that's true, but they control that,

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Speaker 1: so do the Egyptians. Again, it's not just the Israelis,

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Speaker 1: it's the Egyptians too. But this far right government, the

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Speaker 1: BB government has continued to supply electricity to allow supplies

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Speaker 1: to flow, and they have allowed for permits for Palestinian

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Speaker 1: workers to come into Israel. Like I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know this or not, but Palestinian workers come into

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Speaker 1: Israel from Gaza every single day, thousands of them. And

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Speaker 1: they do this in order to allow these people to

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Speaker 1: make money and have a decent living.

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Speaker 4: Well, they say, they say, the BB government. You know,

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Speaker 4: they do home demolitis and violent expulsions of people in

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Speaker 4: math killings and military raids on refugee camps. And I

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Speaker 4: hear people trying to use that at the justification for

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Speaker 4: what happened, which I think is they're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's no justification for raping women, butchering children period.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: So what happens in the West Bank, they do do

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Speaker 1: home demolitions of a home where it's someone who goes

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Speaker 1: in and commits a terrorist act. They do that. They

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Speaker 1: do that. They don't do mass killings. That's just not true.

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Speaker 1: That isn't true at all. Now, they may go into

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Speaker 1: arrest and kill someone who is a terrorist who's committed

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Speaker 1: an act against Israeli civilians. They do do that, for sure,

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Speaker 1: But these things aren't true, and they don't do anything

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Speaker 1: in Gaza, so it's hard to It feels like victim blaming.

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Speaker 1: It feels like saying, you know, oh, it's the Jews.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm seeing this people saying it's Israel's fault

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Speaker 1: that their people were murdered, it's Israel's fault that their

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Speaker 1: children were kidnapped. And I just think victim blaming is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: It's despicable, especially while we're still burying the bodies.

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Speaker 2: And history less hamas, like, just read it.

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Speaker 1: Like it's right here. They're not hiding it, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: good for them, Good for them for not hiding it,

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Speaker 1: Good for them for making sure we all understand. But

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Speaker 1: bad on us for not taking it more serious.

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Speaker 3: You think the US is doing enough?

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Speaker 1: No, what do you think that? I mean? I will

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Speaker 1: say President Biden's words were strong, and they were meaningful,

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Speaker 1: and they were important, and I think that the other

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Speaker 1: European countries have been good. And I think, by the way,

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Speaker 1: like in Congress, you know, I think I'm not always

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Speaker 1: a fan of some of these politicians, but I think

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Speaker 1: both on the right and the left, they've gotten it right.

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Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders said he thinks Israel seeds on gods is

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Speaker 4: a serious violation of international law.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I would say to Bernie as soon as

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Speaker 1: the I mean, I don't know what Bernie said in

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Speaker 1: response to the savagery that happened. I don't know. I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I would think he criticized it.

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Speaker 2: I hope so.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's a way to end this. What

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Speaker 1: did he call it this?

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Speaker 4: He said, it's a serious violation of Israel seeds on siege.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think number one Bernie Sanders should use

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Speaker 1: every time he talks about Israel, shoud talk about Egypt

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Speaker 1: because Egypt barricades blockades that place too. By the way,

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Speaker 1: why does Egypt Because they don't want Hamas terrorists in

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Speaker 1: Egypt either. But number two Bernie Sanders should instead of criticizing,

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Speaker 1: he should propose, how do we end this? Agent guys

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Speaker 1: that give all the hostages. Let all the hostages out.

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Speaker 1: Hamas announced they're ready for peace negotiations with Israel and

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Speaker 1: ready to accept its existence. That would end this like that.

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Speaker 1: But if they're not willing to do that, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what he thinks the Israeli should do. Does he

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Speaker 1: think that the Israelis So if he doesn't think the

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Speaker 1: Israeli should cut off the supplies, what does he think

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Speaker 1: they should do? Does he think they should go find

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian concert and rape their children? Does he think

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Speaker 1: that the Israeli should the Palestinian terrorists? I shouldn't say Palestinian,

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Speaker 1: the Hamas terrorists. The Hamas terrorists went into these towns

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Speaker 1: and went house to house and murdered entire families. We

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Speaker 1: have the videos. So you think you said the Israelis

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Speaker 1: call house to house in God and murder entire families.

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Speaker 1: Of course not. Should the Israelis go in find some

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Speaker 1: Israeli find good luck finding a music concert in Gaza

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Speaker 1: since they don't allow it. But should the Israelis go

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Speaker 1: murder teenagers? Of course not? Like So, what the Israelis

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Speaker 1: need to do is to create pressure to get Hamas

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Speaker 1: to release the hostages and to realize they have to

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Speaker 1: live with their Jewish neighbors.

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Speaker 3: So you said the US should do more?

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Speaker 1: What could the US could do? So? I would like

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Speaker 1: right now to make sure if Hamas is a foreign

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Speaker 1: terrorist organization like you were asking Envy, like there should

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't allow people to provide supplies or support for

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Speaker 1: Hamas we should give We should pressure Cutter where these

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Speaker 1: people are living, all the leadership to extradite those people

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Speaker 1: to Israel so they can stand trial for their crimes.

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Speaker 1: We have a big military base and Cutter their quote

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Speaker 1: unquote an Ally, there are also Hamas leadership in Turkey.

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Speaker 1: We should pressure our allies in Turkey to have those

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Speaker 1: people stand trial. We should make sure that there's not

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Speaker 1: a single sent from anywhere and that goes to Hamas coffers.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Iran. We need to be a lot tougher

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Speaker 1: on Iran because Iran, if you cut off Iran and

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Speaker 1: you cut off the flow of money, it would force

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Speaker 1: Kamas to realize they have to work with their neighbors,

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Speaker 1: you know, and can't try to mutilate and murder them.

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Speaker 1: So I think I'd like to see our country do

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Speaker 1: more to quell the flow of money and arms and

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Speaker 1: ideas from Iran to Ramas.

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Speaker 2: I got a couple more questions.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've been putting this thing out on social

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Speaker 4: media where it says sixty four hundred Palaceinians and three

726
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Speaker 4: hundred Israelis have been killed, not counting the recent fatalities

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Speaker 4: have been killed since two thousand and eight. Who's responsible

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Speaker 4: for that? Is that Hamas? Is that Israeli government? Like,

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Speaker 4: who's responsible for that?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, it's hard for me to talk in the abstract,

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Speaker 1: but like, this isn't a game. This isn't like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're scoring points here, right, Like, I don't think we

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Speaker 1: can think about this as if it's something we're watching

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Speaker 1: on ESPN. Well, who scored more points?

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Speaker 2: That's true, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean that just isn't a construct that applies here. It's

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Speaker 1: not about the number of people who have been killed. Although,

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Speaker 1: just so we're clear, the death of any innocent person

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Speaker 1: is a tragedy. Like the death of any innocent person,

740
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Speaker 1: any child, a child in Gaza, a child in you know,

741
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Speaker 1: still Row. I mean, these are tragedies, but there is

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00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: something qualitatively and just like obviously different than again, a

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Speaker 1: terrorist with a machine gun shooting at families, right, and

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Speaker 1: again the grandmother who was burned alive in her house

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Speaker 1: because she was too weak to leave. They burned her

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Speaker 1: alive in her house because she was too difficult to kidnap,

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Speaker 1: and they filmed it. So like, again, I don't think

748
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Speaker 1: it's about scoring points. I think it's about recognizing the

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Speaker 1: dignity of every human life and approaching it on that.

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Speaker 4: Bas I'm glad you said that because I'm sitting here

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out, why do you think, whether you're

752
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 4: pro Israel, pro Palestine, why do you think people try

753
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 4: to justify these attacks and people losing?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we should talk about that because there have

755
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Speaker 1: been rallies here in the US that are pro Hamas,

756
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: like the the BLM chapter in Chicago and in LA.

757
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Did you see like glorifying these people and saying all

758
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Speaker 1: these things that, oh, the resistance and this and decolonization

759
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: if you think decolonization requires you to like sodomize the elderly,

760
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: like there's a special place in hell for you. So

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Speaker 1: I like, and I'm someone who stood up and said

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Speaker 1: black lives matter, I said it on your show, Like

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Speaker 1: I believe in these I think, like, why are we

764
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: even talking about these are basic principles that like, of

765
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: course our lives are created equals. Of course there is

766
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: systemic discrimination against Black Americans. And if you don't understand that,

767
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: you're not looking at the data and you're like divorced

768
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: from reality, but pushing for equality and justice for black people,

769
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: pushing for you know, reform of a criminal, like an

770
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Speaker 1: incarceration industrial complex pushing for you know, the ability of

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Speaker 1: every American of access to vote however they want. Has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do, no relationship whatsoever to again, the savagery

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Speaker 1: that we saw in Israel and the people who conflate

774
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Speaker 1: the two who say, well, this is what decolonization looks like.

775
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: Like again, I'm sorry, but the level of moral degeneracy

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Speaker 1: there is off the fucking charts, use my language. And

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Speaker 1: so that's like I'm.

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Speaker 2: Having a bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm having a big problem with this. Maybe

780
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: you guys can help me, Like I can't. I can't

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00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: stand up there and say support Black Lives Matter when

782
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: they support the genocide of Jews, Like, how do you

783
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: guys deal with this?

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00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 4: Well, I would tell you that was one chapter black

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00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 4: Lives Matter Chicago don't think.

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Speaker 1: That, of course not, of course not.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if the whole I don't know if

788
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Speaker 4: Black Lives Matter National has spoken out against that yet.

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Speaker 2: I haven't. I don't know yet, but I definitely don't.

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Speaker 2: I think that's just one chapter.

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Speaker 1: You got to look it up, because like the Movement

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Speaker 1: for Black Lives which I think is the kind of

793
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Speaker 1: umbrella group, has also talked about actually, can you send

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Speaker 1: that to me? Dan? What did the Movement for Black

795
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Speaker 1: Lives say? Can you pull it up?

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Speaker 3: Do you know Jonathan has to leave soon? Oh yeah,

797
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Speaker 3: I just had a question to you know, on social media.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're you're on social media as much,

799
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Speaker 3: but you see some of the big conversations with celebrities

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Speaker 3: not mentioning it, and wanted to know what your thought

801
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: about it when they mentioned Drake or they mentioned DJ Khalett,

802
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Speaker 3: who's kalid As Palestinian and Drake is.

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Speaker 1: Jewish as well.

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Speaker 3: So when you see celebrities talking about it, how do

805
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: you feel about it?

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00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: I feel sad. I feel alone, Like celebrities didn't hesitate

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Speaker 1: to say black lives matter, and they should, like just

808
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: so we're clear after the death of George Floyd, of

809
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: course they should. And you know, celebrities ran to talk

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Speaker 1: about and influencers and people like, I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: what Drake or DJ college said.

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Speaker 2: They didn't say anything. People saying that they never do would.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So like I don't. I don't want to pick

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Speaker 1: on them in particular.

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Speaker 3: Celebrities in total, because they it's hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as a Jewish person, when you see when

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Speaker 1: you look, I've stood for Black Lives matter. I fought,

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Speaker 1: you know, I fought to stop Asian hate. We launched

819
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Speaker 1: the Asian American Visition. For goodness sakes, I'm I you know.

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Speaker 1: I co chaired the sixteen versus that march on Washington

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Speaker 1: with Wherever now a few weeks ago, and I have

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Speaker 1: proudly stood and we'll continue to with the NBA and

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Speaker 1: the Urban League and LDF and all these groups. These

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Speaker 1: are my friends, and their cause is just, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to stop. But like the Movement for Black

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Speaker 1: Lives the talk that justifies the genocide of Jews that

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Speaker 1: says Zionism is racism, anti Zionism isn't just anti Semitism.

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Speaker 1: I use to say that. I used to say anti

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Speaker 1: Zionism is anti Semitism because dehumanizing Jews, right, or saying

830
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Speaker 1: I love the Jewish people. It's just a Jewish state

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Speaker 1: that's illegitimate and needs to be destroyed. So I've said

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Speaker 1: for years anti Zionism is anti Semitism, But anti zionem

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Speaker 1: is actually genocide. It's an argument to savagely rape and

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Speaker 1: mutilate and murder people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like who can be so I don't understand. I

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Speaker 1: truly don't understand how you can say you're an anti

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Speaker 1: racist and an anti Zionist in the same breath. Anti

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Speaker 1: Zionism is anti humanism. And just so we're clear, Zionism

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Speaker 1: is the idea that the Jewish people should have the

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Speaker 1: right to self determination in that piece of land. It

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Speaker 1: does not exclude Palestinians in that it doesn't say anything

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Speaker 1: like the Hamases Charter, that's all. And that's how you

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Speaker 1: get Arab Israelis and Israeli Muslims and Israeli Christians in

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Speaker 1: the government survey in the IDF, And that's how you

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Speaker 1: get Ethiopian Israelis and Yemeny Israelis and people from all

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Speaker 1: ethnicities and walks of life in the country treated as equals.

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Speaker 1: Now is their discrimination in Israel? Sure, there is absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And could Israel? Does Israel have to work to make

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Speaker 1: itself more perfect so that all people, regardless of their religion,

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Speaker 1: of their ethnic origin, are treated exactly the same, of course,

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Speaker 1: And yet it's the only democracy in the region, it's

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Speaker 1: the only place where LGBTQ people feel safe. It's the

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Speaker 1: only place where you can have these sort of interfaith families.

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Speaker 1: Look and while there are, there have been and will

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Speaker 1: continue to be. You know, Palestinian Muslims in the Israeli government.

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Speaker 1: You think there any Jewish people in the Iranian government?

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, they're not democracies with coalitions, let's just

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Speaker 1: acknowledge it. But do you think there's any like a

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Speaker 1: Jewish minister in the Algerian government? And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that to make fun. I mean, there's a thousand year

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Speaker 1: history of Jews in Algeria. There's a I think three

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Speaker 1: thousand year history of Jews in Iran. But the rights

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Speaker 1: that people are affwarded in Israel is just qualitatively different.

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Speaker 1: That's because Zionism is not an ethno nationalist exclusive idea,

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Speaker 1: but anti Zionism. That justifies again, shooting teenagers in the

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Speaker 1: back while they flee. I mean, that is barbaric, that

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Speaker 1: is sadistic, and it's just plain wrong.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there you have it.

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Speaker 3: The director of the Anti Defamation League, Jonathan green Black,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 1: For Can I just say one other thing, of course,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for giving me the

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Speaker 1: chance to talk about this. And it's hard like you're Jewish,

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Speaker 1: like this is the week when you should be reaching

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Speaker 1: out to your Jewish friends. You're Jewish colleagues. Like all

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Speaker 1: of us have family in Israel, all of us have

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Speaker 1: friends in Israel, all of us have people over there.

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Speaker 1: And even if you have someone of you who doesn't say, well,

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Speaker 1: I know anyone in Israel, if you're Jewish, you're a

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Speaker 1: target today on the global Day of Jihad. So I

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Speaker 1: would say this to everybody watching or listening, like this

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Speaker 1: is a time to like reach out to people and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got your back, We're there for you, because, like

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this too, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: stop speaking out for the rights of my black brothers

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Speaker 1: and sisters. I'm not going to stop speaking out against

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Speaker 1: anti black racism. I'm not going to stop speaking out

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Speaker 1: against other forms of hate. So you guys and your

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Speaker 1: audience being there for your Jewish brothers and sisters, you

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Speaker 1: guys being there and speaking out against anti Semitism and

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Speaker 1: anti Zionism, like this is the day, this is the

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Speaker 1: moment to do it, because this is when it really matters, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Jonathan Green Black, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys, wake that answer up in the morning

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Speaker 3: for Breakfast Club