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Speaker 3: Today is Tuesday, April second, twenty twenty four. It's officially
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Speaker 3: depend on. We've got Ayisha Morrison, Brian brought us, Nick Harris,
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Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: We're within twenty three days. Pro days concluded, including Big
Speaker 3: twelve Protey across the way this past weekend. Got to
Speaker 3: see some fun aspects over there. We've got thirty visits
Speaker 3: happening this week. There's a lot going on around the building.
Speaker 5: Nick Harris, Yeah, absolutely, thirty visits are starting tomorrow as
Speaker 5: we're talking. That'll be on April third. They'll go through Friday,
Speaker 5: and basically what will happen is these guys will come
Speaker 5: into the building and go through a car wash style,
Speaker 5: you know, meeting with the team. They'll meet with coach
Speaker 5: McCarthy and Jerry Jones, They'll meet with a scouting department,
Speaker 5: they'll meet with the position coaches. They'll meet with medicals,
Speaker 5: they'll meet with a security team, they'll meet with even the.
Speaker 6: Media a little bit.
Speaker 5: There's there's a lot that these guys will do within
Speaker 5: a span of you know, four to five hours and
Speaker 5: then right back on their flight back home. So's it's
Speaker 5: an opportunity for the Cowboys to be able to sit
Speaker 5: down in front of these guys, get an opportunity to
Speaker 5: know them a little bit better on a personal level.
Speaker 6: Also be able to talk some ball with them a
Speaker 6: little bit.
Speaker 5: You know, at the combine, you can meet with these
Speaker 5: guys for fifteen minutes, you know something, sometimes you can
Speaker 5: try to stretch that to twenty, so you can't really
Speaker 5: talk a whole lot in those twenty minutes, but you
Speaker 5: get them, you know, out of their natural element, get
Speaker 5: them in, get them in the building, see how they
Speaker 5: operate around other prospects as well. They do a big
Speaker 5: meeting beforehand with all the guys and that kind of
Speaker 5: gives them an opportunity to see what they do, you know,
Speaker 5: in a in a big group setting. So there's a
Speaker 5: lot that they can take out of these thirty visits.
Speaker 5: And it sounds like we'll have some names to drop
Speaker 5: here in a minute as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have some names for you for the
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 3: And there's a there's a long list of guys, Brian
Speaker 3: that have been on this Dallas Cowboys team and have
Speaker 3: been thirty visits. That's why you got to pay attention
Speaker 3: to these visits because it's a.
Speaker 4: Pretty good indication.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty good roadmap of what Dallas is thinking
Speaker 3: going in the draft weekend.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're absolutely right. That Dallas Day which they had
Speaker 4: yesterday is something that is very important to the scouting
Speaker 4: process and Nick did a great job of explaining exactly
Speaker 4: how the process is going to work for these players,
Speaker 4: and it's it's really the first opportunity too for Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones to sit down and to see and to meet
Speaker 4: with these prospects. He's he's seen the players from maybe
Speaker 4: a senior Bowl, maybe they've done some pre draft stuff,
Speaker 4: he's watched some tape, but to sit down and get
Speaker 4: a feel for these guys. I think it helps everybody
Speaker 4: in the organization to kind of understand maybe if you've
Speaker 4: got a couple of guys you're looking at on the
Speaker 4: board and that you've got similar grades on that thirty
Speaker 4: visit might sway you in that direction, because, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: we liked this kid. We brought him in. He handled
Speaker 4: the medical stuff, he handled all the interaction. Some of
Speaker 4: these kids will show up coat and tie and you
Speaker 4: kind of get impressed by that. I remember a time
Speaker 4: where when I was at Green Bay Packers, we brought
Speaker 4: in a gentleman named Bob Kerberski, and he was from
Speaker 4: the Naval Academy, and he showed up in his full
Speaker 4: dress whites, and I said, you know what, this is
Speaker 4: amazing that, you know, add the fact that I took
Speaker 4: him to a taco bell because that's what he was craving.
Speaker 4: He goes, can we somehow go to a taco bell?
Speaker 4: And I said absolutely, And the fact that he did
Speaker 4: not spill one bit those tacos on those dress whites.
Speaker 4: Moving up the board, he went from fourth round guy
Speaker 4: in a second awareness.
Speaker 7: Not surprising that a Navy man was craving taco bell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that the first thing. That's the first thing
Speaker 4: he asked on a thirty visit, you know, the first
Speaker 4: thing he asked was he goes, could we stop at
Speaker 4: a taco bell? And I said, I said really, and
Speaker 4: he goes, he goes please, and I go, uh, we
Speaker 4: got so we went. We went in the line there
Speaker 4: and Bob ate his tacos full dress whites, and then
Speaker 4: we went on and met. But it's a thirty visits
Speaker 4: is a great opportunity to be able to get a
Speaker 4: really even better feel for these kids.
Speaker 3: I love that story for two reasons. One because it's
Speaker 3: the ultimate sign of respect for him to show up
Speaker 3: in all whites and to be able to have the
Speaker 3: dress whites on. But then also it shows like he's
Speaker 3: comfortable being him yeah regardless, you know, like you can
Speaker 3: take away little things, and that's part of what this
Speaker 3: week is is you get to take away just the little.
Speaker 2: Things and try and read in between the lines.
Speaker 3: And I think last year showed you Man's Mazzi Smith
Speaker 3: was a thirty visit. Matthew Bergeron was not a thirty visit.
Speaker 3: They were the ones that were on the board going
Speaker 3: into that twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: Overall pick that were being debated through.
Speaker 3: They ultimately ended up with Mazzie Smith probably, and I
Speaker 3: had heard he had a great thirty visit last year,
Speaker 3: so maybe that is part of why that decision was
Speaker 3: made and how they went that. Yeah, honestly, it's probably
Speaker 3: the part of the entire draft process that I'm most
Speaker 3: envious about because we can sit there and honestly, the
Speaker 3: film is probably the most important.
Speaker 8: But you get to kind of get a feel for
Speaker 8: the human being. What makes this person tick, how much
Speaker 8: do they really love the game?
Speaker 4: You know, what are some of the little things.
Speaker 8: That Okay, I can get a feel for this guy
Speaker 8: characteristic wise versus some other prospects. So to your point,
Speaker 8: if you have guys that are close, like these offensive
Speaker 8: linemen that you might have similar grades on the dbs,
Speaker 8: the wide receivers that stretch, it's like, okay, we might
Speaker 8: have a third round grade on this guy. And all right,
Speaker 8: here's a guy in the fourth that I think we'd
Speaker 8: be really happy with. He came in, we met with him,
Speaker 8: we know him, we got to know him. He's a
Speaker 8: family guy. The values are there check fundamentally everything we
Speaker 8: want in our locker room and in our building.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and then we already know what this team.
Speaker 7: I don't have a whole bunch to say about it because
Speaker 7: you don't said at all, But.
Speaker 9: This team is a what is the word I'm looking for? Connective.
Speaker 7: They we know that they can hinge on to you know,
Speaker 7: people that they meet, but they also too, They really,
Speaker 7: maybe more than some other teams, value the one on
Speaker 7: one and the person and trying to connect to the
Speaker 7: player and things like that. So I'm definitely feeling like
Speaker 7: thirty day visits and also Dallas Day are going to
Speaker 7: be important to whatever even they have to replenish on
Speaker 7: practice squad as well in different areas like this is it.
Speaker 7: So all of this is important to the process.
Speaker 3: And it's still very early in the thirty visits. We
Speaker 3: don't have the full list, but we have some names
Speaker 3: that we can share.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, there we go. It's gonna come out dot
Speaker 2: com right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'll we'll have a little bit more names
Speaker 5: to share on Dallas Cowboys dot com later, so be
Speaker 5: sure and check into that. These are the names that
Speaker 5: have already been reported, so I'm not I'm not breaking
Speaker 5: any thing here we go.
Speaker 6: We'll start with those.
Speaker 5: Linebacker Nathaniel Watson out Mississippi State SEC Linebacker of the
Speaker 5: Year last year. Really productive there for the Bulldogs. Linebacker
Speaker 5: Edrian Cooper out of Texas A and M. We've talked
Speaker 5: about him ad nauseum in my opinion, the best linebacker
Speaker 5: in this class. Linebacker Trevin Wallace out of Kentucky. Shout
Speaker 5: out to Nicole Hudgeson for breaking that one about a
Speaker 5: month back and six two two twenty. Really really fun guy.
Speaker 5: We've talked about him a lot, really athletic presence. Linebacker
Speaker 5: Jordan McGee out of Temple. Probably a more narrow running
Speaker 5: back or not running back linebacker, yeah, but has the
Speaker 5: instincts to play in that second level and be very productive.
Speaker 5: Linebacker Peyton Wilson out of North Carolina State. Shout out
Speaker 5: to my man brought us to the left. That's linebacker one, yeah,
Speaker 5: absolutely absolutely. And then running back Jonathan Brooks out of Texas.
Speaker 5: So those are the ones that were reported.
Speaker 4: About the list.
Speaker 2: The linebacker, linebacker, linebacker, linebacker, linebacker.
Speaker 4: You think they're hunting linebackers.
Speaker 5: A lot of linebackers. And then also this morning, out
Speaker 5: to Ryan Fowler out of Bleacher Report reported Matt Goncalvis
Speaker 5: from Pittsburgh the offensive tackle. He will be a thirty
Speaker 5: visit as well. He was a Shrine Bowl guy. He's
Speaker 5: been battling a toe injury. He only played in three
Speaker 5: games as a senior, but had he played his whole
Speaker 5: senior season, I think we'd be talking about him as
Speaker 5: a Day two type guy. So he's he's probably a
Speaker 5: high risk, high reward from a medical standpoint as well.
Speaker 5: So you know, the Cowboys, even in those later rounds,
Speaker 5: we're looking at those high risk, YGH reward medical guys.
Speaker 5: But here are the names we're gonna drop here. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go ahead and give you five and then we'll
Speaker 5: have a more complete list later in the day. Be
Speaker 5: sure to check out with Dallas Cowboys dot com. We'll
Speaker 5: start with the offensive tackle, Talisi Fluaga out of Oregon State.
Speaker 5: It depends on who you talk to. Top two tackle
Speaker 5: in the class might not be too Him and Joe
Speaker 5: Alt have been, you know, kind of right there together.
Speaker 5: I think over the course of the last few weeks,
Speaker 5: especially since the Senior Bowl and Fuagga was able to
Speaker 5: put some things together there. Running back Bucky Irving out
Speaker 5: of Oregon I've talked about him a lot. I think
Speaker 5: he's a guy that can do a lot of things
Speaker 5: in the receiving game, do a lot of things in
Speaker 5: the run game. Probably didn't have the best combine in
Speaker 5: the world, but he he's He's definitely a Day two
Speaker 5: type of talent. Trey Benson out of Florida State, running back.
Speaker 5: We've talked about him a lot. Arguably the most complete
Speaker 5: back in the draft, and he will be. He will
Speaker 5: be in attendance nine hundred yards each of his last
Speaker 5: two seasons. And we'll round up here with two sinners,
Speaker 5: Jackson Powers Johnson out of Oregon and Graham Barton out of.
Speaker 4: Duke play together.
Speaker 2: Everybody onboard the Grand Barton train. Yeah, boys, let's go.
Speaker 2: Can I be vice president? Absolutely, let's go.
Speaker 5: All right, So a really good, really good, a really
Speaker 5: good list that is coming together. We probably won't be
Speaker 5: able to share the whole list at any point because
Speaker 5: you know, we'll be able to talk more on a
Speaker 5: post draft. I mean, there's a reason for those things, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: but we are we are here to talk about these
Speaker 5: guys and the guys that are coming through this week.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a really interesting process.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So run through those last five names. The one that
Speaker 2: you just talked through.
Speaker 3: So that way we have it all because it was
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Wilson, Edrin Cooper, Travan Wallace, Jordan McGee, Peyton Wilson,
Speaker 3: Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 2: That was the first list. All of those have been reported.
Speaker 3: These are the new reports for guys that are coming
Speaker 3: in this week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Matt Goncalves was also one that was correct reported
Speaker 5: this morning. But the ones that we're dropping here Telisi
Speaker 5: for Wog out of Oregon State running back, Bucky Irving
Speaker 5: out of Oregon, Tray Benson Florida State running back, Jackson
Speaker 5: Powers Johnson Oregon Center, and Graham Barton Duke Offensive Lineman
Speaker 5: in my opinion center.
Speaker 3: But any of those interest you, Aisha, whenever you hear
Speaker 3: those names coming.
Speaker 2: Off the board.
Speaker 9: I mean, no, I think what interests me the most
Speaker 9: of you.
Speaker 7: We've talked about all these humans, But I think what
Speaker 7: interests me the most is the variety that's there is
Speaker 7: that we've talked about how we believe that maybe this
Speaker 7: draft will fall. It looks like maybe they feel like
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously they're doing it because they have the
Speaker 7: team bill, but also two, I think it's healthy for
Speaker 7: them to get a look at all these different positions
Speaker 7: and different guys because we think this board might fall
Speaker 7: in their favor in a lot of ways, because it's
Speaker 7: so tackle heavy, because the wide receiver class is so
Speaker 7: high that some of these stars that we look at
Speaker 7: might be there. We all got a lot of first
Speaker 7: round grade. So I think they're doing the right thing
Speaker 7: by checking everybody out.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Brian?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I actually hit right on the on
Speaker 4: the head there. You know, we've talked about the thing
Speaker 4: with the linebackers. It's it's obvious there that they're going
Speaker 4: to try and figure some things out with that crew.
Speaker 4: Maybe sort that out. We'll see how the things work
Speaker 4: with Wilson Cooper, Cooper the healthier of the two players,
Speaker 4: Powers Johnson Barton the sinners. Okay, I think that with
Speaker 4: Powers Johnson, now it's about people understand there's some medical
Speaker 4: concerns with him that we are going to learn about.
Speaker 4: Is it enough to keep him from getting drafted? I
Speaker 4: think some people maybe thought him as initially as the
Speaker 4: high guy. I think we're starting to see that maybe
Speaker 4: Barton on some people's boards, is taking over at center
Speaker 4: number one just for some Now, Barton has his share
Speaker 4: of stuff that he I talked to a guy at
Speaker 4: the Duke Pro day. He's dealing with the shoulder injury
Speaker 4: that he had. He wasn't able to do any punch
Speaker 4: or any bench press, you know. So there's some things
Speaker 4: you're working through there. But it's an interesting group that
Speaker 4: they're hunting right here. But it's at the positions that
Speaker 4: we kind of feel like that's where they're going to
Speaker 4: need to go. Offensive tackle. When you talked talking about
Speaker 4: running back and then also the linebacker, all these things
Speaker 4: that we've talked about basically since January are starting to
Speaker 4: kind of materialize as we work closer to this draft.
Speaker 3: It's no surprise and it's no coincidence that all of
Speaker 3: these names at some shape, fashion and form we've talked
Speaker 3: about along the way. Yeah, because these are the guys
Speaker 3: that fit the bill from what the Cowboys are looking for,
Speaker 3: and we're starting to see that more and more as
Speaker 3: the week goes on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was a I wanted to comment on Nick
Speaker 7: when you mentioned about Talise Fuaga where he and Joalt
Speaker 7: are kind of neck and neck right now. I think
Speaker 7: it's interesting because Joald ain't did nothing but did well
Speaker 7: this whole process. But it's it's kind of to me
Speaker 7: a testament of his consistency where it's almost it's not
Speaker 7: he's not not Yeah, it's not. He's not boring at all,
Speaker 7: but he just does the job, just comes out and
Speaker 7: does things. Fuaga, I think is I think his temperament
Speaker 7: is just a little bit of more of that nasty.
Speaker 7: But I just think that's interesting how he just doing
Speaker 7: his job.
Speaker 9: Joe just been here, just doing his job. And then
Speaker 9: people are like, I don't know, it's Flaga passing him.
Speaker 9: I'm like, he's just been consistent, that's all.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about the Zackie, we're talking about it
Speaker 3: as a whole. Getting to know these prospects as people
Speaker 3: and as human beings. I've heard nothing but great things
Speaker 3: about Talisi Fuaga and what he brings. He's got a
Speaker 3: great personality. You can see it both on camera and
Speaker 3: I mean with his teammates through the Senior Bowl process
Speaker 3: and on even on film.
Speaker 2: You can see him visibly in the mix, and I
Speaker 2: like that from a player over Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean, you talk about who's the best run blocker
Speaker 8: along these tackles, it might be Waga. For me, it
Speaker 8: probably is. I mean, you see the athleticism there. When
Speaker 8: I first was studying him, I was wondering, Okay, will
Speaker 8: teams view him kind of like JC Latham, Where is
Speaker 8: he a right side only kind of guy or do
Speaker 8: they think he could kick over to the left side.
Speaker 8: I think he does have athletic ability. Some teams might
Speaker 8: even think, okay, I could put him inside it guard
Speaker 8: even and he can be dominant. But I think the
Speaker 8: big difference for me when you watch Fuluaga is kind
Speaker 8: of the play temperament. He is nasty, He's got that
Speaker 8: finishing ability. Absolutely, to me, he was a really really
Speaker 8: fun study, especially when you got to watch him against
Speaker 8: some guys like Lightulatto from UCLA. So for Wagga, it's
Speaker 8: not a surprise that he's debated as maybe the top
Speaker 8: tackle in the draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah, intelligence is really there with Foluagga as well. That
Speaker 5: was something that stood out to me from talking to
Speaker 5: people at the Senior Bowl. And he was a guy
Speaker 5: that met with You met with the Cowboys at the
Speaker 5: Combine formally, and we'll be right back here for thirty visits.
Speaker 6: So that's quite fascinating. Trade Benson as well.
Speaker 4: I've I've got a ton of notes on him and
Speaker 4: I don't have one negative comment on him, and I usually,
Speaker 4: you know, usually you could find some type of hole.
Speaker 4: A guy carries his hands too low, maybe he's a
Speaker 4: little late, maybe a little sloppy with the footwork. I
Speaker 4: see what Dallas is doing by bringing him in. I
Speaker 4: don't think there's any way, And Helly gets to you,
Speaker 4: I don't either. I mean, I just feel like that,
Speaker 4: you know, to me, we were all kind of talking
Speaker 4: about and I issue was bringing it up where you know,
Speaker 4: Alt seems to be a guy that everybody you know,
Speaker 4: very consistent the way he plays, but Fuaka has been
Speaker 4: unless the Jets are thinking about doing something crazy at
Speaker 4: ten and getting out of there, that's kind of where
Speaker 4: That's where I felt like that for that he was
Speaker 4: going to be. That's somebody like it. But now you're
Speaker 4: hearing whispers. If I'm the Jets and I've got a
Speaker 4: veteran quarterback that I need to keep upright, why not
Speaker 4: draft this guy. I understand he went and got you know,
Speaker 4: Tyrone Smith and all that, and but man, this guy
Speaker 4: is a player, and so in my mind I don't
Speaker 4: even have him. It would be a gift from the
Speaker 4: draft gods. Ye Lamb esque type yeah.
Speaker 2: And somehow maybe bigger. Yeah, somehow if.
Speaker 4: You're sitting there and he's on that board, I mean,
Speaker 4: this would be the quickest I would ever hand in
Speaker 4: a card. And you know, trust me, in nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: eight when he did the draft, we were the quickest
Speaker 4: handing in our card. So you know, I, I just
Speaker 4: don't know like these tackles. I like what Dallas is
Speaker 4: trying to do. To me, that's a trade up? Is
Speaker 4: probably that's that's a trade up, right if you're looking at.
Speaker 3: If you're speaking this highly of a prospect and you're
Speaker 3: handing in that card so fast like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is there.
Speaker 3: Anyway I know you don't have a ton of draft capital,
Speaker 3: you don't have a ton of capital overall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to move up?
Speaker 4: Is there an I give you a player?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: I mean that's what I'm saying. I mean to me,
Speaker 4: I this team, We've talked about it a bunch, and
Speaker 4: I think we've gone the right path. They they lost
Speaker 4: I issues pointed out they've lost so much depth, you know,
Speaker 4: and we're talking about how to move back and get
Speaker 4: an extra third or fourth round pick going into this
Speaker 4: into this draft. So to me, uh, for waa hey,
Speaker 4: I applaud them for wanting to see potentially the best
Speaker 4: tackle in the draft. I don't know how you're gonna
Speaker 4: do it unless you've got a plan to dance that
Speaker 4: thing up.
Speaker 9: I ain't got no faith. No y'all can get excited
Speaker 9: for no reason.
Speaker 2: No aggressive I.
Speaker 7: Heck, no, you ain't even got no we need some coupons.
Speaker 9: We got no money to bet on something we I don't.
Speaker 7: I mean, Brian just brought up the depth like that's
Speaker 7: what scares me about what's going on?
Speaker 2: You're eighty seventh or overall pick? Is now worth the
Speaker 2: sixty your picks?
Speaker 4: Yeah, future pick it is. I'll tell you. I'll tell
Speaker 4: you where I I'll tell you I issue where they're
Speaker 4: where they're gonna they're going to fill out your depth is.
Speaker 4: They're one of the most aggressive teams when it comes
Speaker 4: to post draft. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones will spend top dollar.
Speaker 4: They might not spend top dollar during free agency, but
Speaker 4: you let them do you let them have some draft
Speaker 4: picks still on that board. When they when this thing all,
Speaker 4: when they will put a bow on it and and
Speaker 4: we all say good night for the draft, they will,
Speaker 4: they will, they will be so aggressive signing those players,
Speaker 4: and I think that's where to your point, you know,
Speaker 4: I shouldn't. Everybody's going to say, well, who do you
Speaker 4: have left on your board? And that final pick will
Speaker 4: guarantee you whoever's left on your board it's left on
Speaker 4: their board too, and they are going to hunt that.
Speaker 3: Last year, have told us this guy needs to be drafted.
Speaker 3: He was somebody last year.
Speaker 4: I mean that was ridiculous.
Speaker 5: He was short of all undrafted free agents that signed
Speaker 5: last year after the draft, the number one of all
Speaker 5: and NFL that had the most guaranteed money was Hunter Lucky.
Speaker 6: Number three was t J.
Speaker 2: Bass.
Speaker 9: There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not afraid. They're not afraid to if they
Speaker 4: they've got fifth, sixth, seventh round guys still on that board,
Speaker 4: they're gonna hunt that. Yeah. I think Marky's belly before too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was a big one too.
Speaker 3: I know that's not what fans want to hear, is
Speaker 3: they don't want to hear like the excitement about they.
Speaker 5: Should Terrence Steele one, Thomas Martins.
Speaker 3: Completely agreed finding legitimate talent at that point along the way.
Speaker 2: But right now all of fans want to hear is
Speaker 2: they want to hit on these picks.
Speaker 3: If they can't hit on these all that depth you're
Speaker 3: talking about in Fluaga, then let's play.
Speaker 10: Let's go.
Speaker 4: I'm going to sell you hope.
Speaker 2: They are you trying to trade your whole draft?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 4: Seriously, it's usually you you have some Baby Williams negative
Speaker 4: negative one or two lines about a player that you
Speaker 4: might think, Okay, needs to be a little bit better here.
Speaker 4: This kid doesn't have that. Yeah, he really doesn't.
Speaker 3: He's a phenomenal proSP but there's some names to look at.
Speaker 3: I want to dive into the linebackers in the third segment,
Speaker 3: those five linebackers that were reported earlier to be thirty visits.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about some of those guys. We've
Speaker 3: already talked about Eddrian Cooper and Peyton Wilson a bit,
Speaker 3: but we.
Speaker 2: Can talk about some of those guys. That's in segment three.
Speaker 3: But when we come back, it's time to get back
Speaker 3: into some twitter on the twenty. We'll answer the fan
Speaker 3: questions about the NFL Draft when we come back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, Thank you very much. That's actually
Speaker 2: Chris Beam that recorded that in the back. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what that was. Isaiah stand back. Actually, really, that's actually Isaiah.
Speaker 9: He did it.
Speaker 7: They did it on our show last week, and I
Speaker 7: thought it was Chris at first too.
Speaker 9: I was I don't know your boys.
Speaker 7: Could do that, Chris, and he was like, no, it's
Speaker 7: isaiaht all, Okay.
Speaker 3: That's very Isaiah wore a cowboy hat one time into
Speaker 3: talking cowboys and we made him do that, and he
Speaker 3: forgot that we could clip audio.
Speaker 2: So that's what we've got. That's what happens.
Speaker 3: I gotta stay on your toes, all right, it's time
Speaker 3: now for some Twitter onwenty. This kind of this kind
Speaker 3: of goes along with our last conversation. Kenny in Frisco
Speaker 3: asked which prospect graded rounds fit five through six or
Speaker 3: ud FA do you think it have the most long
Speaker 3: term impact with any NFL team? Just talking about draft
Speaker 3: sleepers in general, Jesus.
Speaker 6: Said, session round six, seven, five.
Speaker 2: Or later five or later five or later ud F
Speaker 2: A back of the.
Speaker 3: Draft that you feel like is a developmental prospect that
Speaker 3: has the most long term impact. I know that's a
Speaker 3: tough question, but I feel like there's some in every draft.
Speaker 4: Right Where do you have is it mcclatchen, the tight
Speaker 4: end from Arizona.
Speaker 6: McLachlan, McLachlan, malachlan, McLachlan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tanner McLachlan, I have him a fourth on him?
Speaker 6: Okay, how about the speed game?
Speaker 4: How about how about then? Uh I'll tell you a
Speaker 4: guy that I liked, uh was Bubb.
Speaker 6: Memes, Pittsburgh to wide receiver.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 4: I kind of felt like that he was a good guy,
Speaker 4: uh to to to take a to take a look
Speaker 4: at as far as because I feel like there's some
Speaker 4: some to his game. There's all these wide receivers, man
Speaker 4: I mean you could, you could throw a blanket on
Speaker 4: these guys, you really could. And and then and because
Speaker 4: they've all got different type of skill sets to how
Speaker 4: they play. But with the thing with Memes, I was
Speaker 4: impressed with him just because let me get to my
Speaker 4: notes here, because I his path as a college player.
Speaker 4: He was a defensive back at Tennessee. He went to
Speaker 4: Louisiana Tech. He's a receiver. He's now Pittsburgh. He's one
Speaker 4: of the best when it in the in the A
Speaker 4: SEC when he came to contested catches. So here's a
Speaker 4: guy six to one, two and twelve pounds contested catch guy.
Speaker 4: You know, routes all over the field, upper body strength, power,
Speaker 4: getting off the line, run through the defenders with the ball,
Speaker 4: I mean, make people miss in the open field. I
Speaker 4: think that if you work with him as a route runner,
Speaker 4: there's a He's got a natural feel for way he
Speaker 4: plays a game. I could see him being a guy
Speaker 4: that might have his best football ahead of him. And
Speaker 4: I got him there in the fifth round. And I'm
Speaker 4: probably too low on him to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: What you got, Yeah, I'm going through a couple of
Speaker 5: names here. There's there's some interesting ones. We've mentioned Quantest
Speaker 5: Stiggers on this show quite a bit. He's he's gonna
Speaker 5: get drafted.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 9: He's absolutely going to get drafted.
Speaker 6: We were we were talking about him.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be cool on day three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it will be awesome.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a heck of a player.
Speaker 5: And in fact, here in the Star Draft magazine there
Speaker 5: is a feature story on Quantest Siggers from you. But
Speaker 5: he's He's one that I think will be there on
Speaker 5: day three. That will be a really good, really good
Speaker 5: developmental project for it for a team. I've talked about
Speaker 5: Jordan Winnington I think a couple of times on this show.
Speaker 5: Depending on who you talk to, you can see anywhere
Speaker 5: from a fifth round to U d F a priority
Speaker 5: U d F A grade on him.
Speaker 6: Receiver at Texas, former.
Speaker 5: Five star prospect at a Cuero high school one state
Speaker 5: championship with the Gobblers. But he's physical, he has long speed.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think at the very least he could be a
Speaker 5: special teams demon at the next level. But they brought
Speaker 5: him in to be a wide receiver one. He got
Speaker 5: hurt his first three years that he was at Texas.
Speaker 5: Eventually they had to recruit around him and bring in
Speaker 5: some more reliable bodies. That's where he saw the Xavier
Speaker 5: Worthies and the Ady Mitchells pop up and Jatavian Sanders
Speaker 5: out of the world, and so he kind of took
Speaker 5: a step back on this this team this past season.
Speaker 5: But I think if you give him that a wide
Speaker 5: receiver three type role, I think in the NFL, I
Speaker 5: think he has the potential to be able to do
Speaker 5: that a couple of years into the league. High instincts,
Speaker 5: high character guy. Everyone in the locker room loves the guy.
Speaker 5: I think he's I think he's someone to keep an
Speaker 5: eye on there.
Speaker 3: On day three, where do you guys have Isaiah Adams,
Speaker 3: offensive tackle out of Illinois, fourth round, fourth round grade. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I had him in the fifth so I
Speaker 3: didn't know if I was high on him.
Speaker 4: That's around the area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think you're you're talking about a guy
Speaker 3: who isn't going to test out of the gym. He's
Speaker 3: not going to be super athletic whenever it comes to
Speaker 3: the numbers. But on tape he plays with such good visions.
Speaker 2: Such fundamentals.
Speaker 3: He's got great footwork all the way through, good anchor uh,
Speaker 3: lateral ability helps him whenever he's pulling as a.
Speaker 2: Guard kick slides as a tackle.
Speaker 3: He played both at Illinois, So I think that's one
Speaker 3: that could be a late round guy. I had him
Speaker 3: in the fifth, so it falls into this category.
Speaker 2: But if you've got him in the fourth, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: necessarily blink an eye.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I've been pretty high on this gentleman for a while
Speaker 7: because he was just a fun watch. Jakwan Jackson, wide
Speaker 7: receiver out of two lane lovey. I. I think he's
Speaker 7: gonna fall, obviously because of the size, but then this
Speaker 7: obviously this is wide receiver class is just crazy. But
Speaker 7: when you look at some of the changes that are
Speaker 7: even coming to special teams you talk about return ability,
Speaker 7: this might be one of the more dynamic returners in
Speaker 7: the in this draft as well.
Speaker 9: It's he's Very's nephew.
Speaker 7: I know that has nothing to do with nothing but
Speaker 7: formally speedy, super speedy. He displays really good burst out
Speaker 7: of his releases. He has an ability to read defenders
Speaker 7: and and he can manipulate how they mirror as well.
Speaker 7: Yak of ability. He gets versele really quickly. He can
Speaker 7: locate the ball and has good body control. To adjust
Speaker 7: a lot of people because of his size. He's only
Speaker 7: he's five eleven, one eighty five, so some people might
Speaker 7: be worried about his durability.
Speaker 9: He can get hit in.
Speaker 7: The mouth and keep going like he's not He's not
Speaker 7: afraid to give up his body and things like that.
Speaker 7: So I do think with special teams kind of changing
Speaker 7: and things like that, people seeing him as a returner,
Speaker 7: he does have potential for sure as a receiver. He's
Speaker 7: a gentleman that I could see somebody getting a hold
Speaker 7: of in the fifth, sixth rounds something like that, and
Speaker 7: being able to see him have some good plays in
Speaker 7: this game.
Speaker 4: Well you nailed this guy.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 4: I tell you what. He has got some ability. She's
Speaker 4: absolutely right. This guy can create on the move too.
Speaker 4: You know when you throw him the football usually big
Speaker 4: plays happen when he has the ball in his hands.
Speaker 4: Good player.
Speaker 6: Where do y'all have?
Speaker 5: Marcellus Dial defensive back out of South Carolina. Have y'all
Speaker 5: had an opportunity?
Speaker 4: He's not a guy that I've watched yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's a guy that is there late
Speaker 5: on day three. He has versatility that you can put
Speaker 5: in a corner nickel safety. He's on a lot of
Speaker 5: things there. For the game, Cocks in the SEC was
Speaker 5: productive as well. That's another name. Take a look at him.
Speaker 5: Physical a really good Marcella's dial out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4: I'll throw out two. I think I've got both of
Speaker 4: them around the fifth.
Speaker 8: Maybe you guys have him higher, but Ania Smith wide receiver,
Speaker 8: Texas A and mt A fifth interesting you know five
Speaker 8: nine to one ninety. Is he a slot only type
Speaker 8: of guy? But sharp cuts, I mean, smooth route runner.
Speaker 8: And you can see when you watched him play this year,
Speaker 8: he definitely was not a benefit or benefactor of good
Speaker 8: quarterback play. The quarterback play was wildly inaccurate when you
Speaker 8: watched him. Every yeah, man, but he was open a
Speaker 8: lot of the time. It just didn't get the football.
Speaker 8: But he owns a thirty six game consecutive streak with
Speaker 8: a reception. Fifth year senior from Missouri City in the
Speaker 8: Houston area. I'm sure you know a lot about him
Speaker 8: from the recruiting ties. There's a big time recruit coming
Speaker 8: out of Missouri City. But can win on the outside.
Speaker 8: I think plays a little smaller, but he's tough. I mean,
Speaker 8: this is a dude who's not afraid to take a hit,
Speaker 8: also has a punt returnability, special team's ability. And then
Speaker 8: we were talking about him before during the break, but
Speaker 8: Travis Glover the offensive talking from Georgia State. Yeah, six
Speaker 8: six three twenty three. This dude's a maler. Started all
Speaker 8: five years Georgia State, played some left guard, right tackle, primarily,
Speaker 8: though at left tackle. They had one of the best
Speaker 8: rushing attacks in school history during his time there, and
Speaker 8: he's a big reason why. In the run game, this
Speaker 8: dude's a maler. I think he's got good lateral movement
Speaker 8: for his size. Maybe he's a better guard for me
Speaker 8: when you move him to the next level. But he
Speaker 8: can throw people around. He's got a violent punch, I
Speaker 8: can get to the second level, powerful anchor. I think
Speaker 8: he's a really intriguing traits type pick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you get a copy of the LSU game,
Speaker 4: take a peek, because that's where he did some good
Speaker 4: work against some big time competition.
Speaker 6: There you go for Ben Dolas and Iah Smith.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 6: What grades you have on him coming out? Oh, it
Speaker 6: was before I was doing great.
Speaker 8: He was an exciting player in high school when he
Speaker 8: really was all right.
Speaker 3: This is an interesting one from Walker. He actually came
Speaker 3: up to me at the Legends game the other day.
Speaker 3: He said he loves the show. He said, but I
Speaker 3: want to submit a question.
Speaker 6: Out to Walker.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's called Twitter on the twenty, you
Speaker 3: got to send me a Twitter message. So he sent
Speaker 3: me a Twitter message. It's actually a really good question.
Speaker 3: Besides quarterback, what position do you see a run on
Speaker 3: in the first round that most benefits the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 3: sitting at twenty four corner?
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, corner.
Speaker 5: I think if if these corners start flying off the board, Quinnon, Mitchell,
Speaker 5: Terry On, Arnold, Nate Wiggins, I think you're going to
Speaker 5: see those corner needy teams that are there in the
Speaker 5: late twenties try to trade up and make sure that
Speaker 5: they get their guy. I think if these corners start
Speaker 5: flying off the board, it definitely helps. You could also
Speaker 5: look at receivers. You know, if these receivers start coming
Speaker 5: off the board as well. You know we've talked about
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison junior, Brian Thomas junior, Roma Dunze, but if
Speaker 5: you start seeing the A. D Mitchell's or the Xavier
Speaker 5: Worthy start going that that would be huge towards the
Speaker 5: Cowboys being able to have their their right offensive lineman
Speaker 5: fall to him at twenty four.
Speaker 4: I'd love for some of these defensive tackles to go roll.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Maybe with the Murphy Newton
Speaker 4: and maybe it might happen ahead of you sweat Sweat Fisk,
Speaker 4: Maybe somebody falls in love with Fisk. I know you
Speaker 4: need a defensive tackle, but it's it's one of those
Speaker 4: things where you probably have to look at it and say, well,
Speaker 4: we're you know, they're gonna it's probably not gonna play
Speaker 4: out the way they want. But you're right about the receivers.
Speaker 4: When we did the mock draft the other day, Brian
Speaker 4: Thomas was sitting there when we came to Dallas's turn
Speaker 4: to pick. You know, so, if you can get all
Speaker 4: those receivers to go, I just think that people are
Speaker 4: going to look at those receivers and they're going to
Speaker 4: look at the corners and they're going to say, you
Speaker 4: know what, the guy that we're looking at in the
Speaker 4: second round, we could probably get in the third round.
Speaker 4: And the guy we can looking at in the third
Speaker 4: round or third round, we could probably get in the
Speaker 4: fourth round. So it's just got so much depth there
Speaker 4: at those two spots wide receiver and corner for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to get to Weasi Fluaga and we're
Speaker 3: trying to get Graham Barton down the twenty four guys.
Speaker 3: We've got to get all the defensive tackles, all the
Speaker 3: wide receivers, all the corners up there.
Speaker 4: Maybe a run on those edges, you know, to get
Speaker 4: a run if all of a sudden, lot to turner first,
Speaker 4: Chop Robinson maybe, yeah, maybe Robin Darius Robinson Miszoo Miszoo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, Kyle asks, and it's not me,
Speaker 3: I promise. How likely is it that the Cowboys draft
Speaker 3: tackle and center in the first three rounds?
Speaker 2: And is that something that you would do if you
Speaker 2: were drafting for the Cowboys going with a double dip
Speaker 2: in offensive line but two separate positions.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would necessarily do it, but it
Speaker 5: wouldn't surprise me if that's what ends up happening. I
Speaker 5: think there's interior depth that you can work with on
Speaker 5: the offensive line. I think you need to go get
Speaker 5: a defensive tackle, you need to go get a running back.
Speaker 5: So I struggle with being able to pull one of
Speaker 5: those away for an extra offensive lineman.
Speaker 8: I think it definitely could happen. I mean it's definitely.
Speaker 8: It's not it's not a must because of course with TJ.
Speaker 8: Bass and Brockhoffman, and then with Tyler's miss flexibility. But
Speaker 8: if you have the right tackle that slides to you,
Speaker 8: then I think it is like correct tackle. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 8: the correct tackle that slides to you. I think that
Speaker 8: center is definitely a position. In the third round, you
Speaker 8: can find somebody that you feel really good about. Whether
Speaker 8: it's bou Limmer from Arkansas, you know, one hundred, nors
Speaker 8: Ad Penn states another name.
Speaker 4: Maybe some want him as a garden not a center,
Speaker 4: but I loved his tape. I think a hunter.
Speaker 8: Nordad's got some nasty discussion. Yeah, there's certainly some guys
Speaker 8: in that third, fourth round. Matt Lee from Miami just
Speaker 8: competes his rear off. I think they certainly could double
Speaker 8: dip in that area. But it will depend on do
Speaker 8: they take a tackle in the first Yeah. If they
Speaker 8: don't and they go with Graham Barton or a center,
Speaker 8: I don't know how likely it is to circle back
Speaker 8: and take it tackle then in the third.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you think aysha, just replenish the offensive
Speaker 7: line in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 9: It's it's about that time.
Speaker 7: I think they've kind of I mean I think it's
Speaker 7: I think for since Travis Frederick retired and all that
Speaker 7: stuff started happening, they've been trying to figure out this
Speaker 7: offensive line and have like a concrete a concrete line
Speaker 7: and things like that. So I'm just like, however they
Speaker 7: decide to do it, they need to do it.
Speaker 9: You already know how I feel about being able to
Speaker 9: run the ball. So however they got to do it,
Speaker 9: they need to do it.
Speaker 7: But to your point, Zach, I think the depth that
Speaker 7: you have is important already. I would I don't want
Speaker 7: to change.
Speaker 4: That powers Johnson, if powers Johnson or Barton or selecting
Speaker 4: the first round, they're going to move Tyler Smith. My opinions,
Speaker 4: my opinion, well keep if they if they if they don't,
Speaker 4: if they, if they take a tackle in the first round. Now,
Speaker 4: now it's going to be about where would the center fall?
Speaker 4: Could that be? They don't have a fourth round pick,
Speaker 4: And I kind of got like those guys you talk
Speaker 4: about Norzad Penn, State, Limmer, Arkansaw or Bartoloni. Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: Bartolini or Wisconsin, Wisconsin. I mean, that's that's kind of
Speaker 4: where I'm at right now, because if you if you don't,
Speaker 4: if you don't, now we'll see what they think about.
Speaker 4: They'll they'll tell us what they think about. Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: these the guys that currently have on the roster. But
Speaker 4: I think it all all the movement of the left
Speaker 4: guard is predicated on how they draft in the first round.
Speaker 4: That's what I think.
Speaker 3: I agree Jake asks, which are if the Cowboys take
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, take Brian Thomas Jr. At twenty four,
Speaker 3: and then take the running back Jonathan Brooks at fifty six,
Speaker 3: the complete opposite of the last scenario. How would you
Speaker 3: feel if they went wide receiver and running back pure
Speaker 3: weaponry in the first two rounds?
Speaker 2: What would what would the reaction be in this room?
Speaker 6: We'd have a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: But I don't know if we get the ball to
Speaker 5: them talk of that, Yeah, I don't I think it
Speaker 5: for the long run, Sure, there would probably be a
Speaker 5: lot of positive that would come out of having two
Speaker 5: weapons like that that you can put on the offensive
Speaker 5: side of the ball and just really let cook. But
Speaker 5: you're gonna need protection up front and granted, there are
Speaker 5: still tackle bodies that they could throw up there and
Speaker 5: be able to, you know, work into a starting situation
Speaker 5: if they felt like they could. Let's say they don't
Speaker 5: draft offensive line, you're probably moving Tyler Smith out the
Speaker 5: left tackle right, and you're putting TJ. Bass and Brock
Speaker 5: Kauffman at a combination of center and left guard. Your
Speaker 5: other option is relying on the depth of which is
Speaker 5: Matt will lets Go who hasn't been able to stay healthy,
Speaker 5: Austin Richards who hasn't been able to touch the field,
Speaker 5: Josh Ball, who again hasn't been able to stay healthy.
Speaker 5: So you know which, whichever one you feel least bubbly
Speaker 5: about is the is the one that you would probably
Speaker 5: have to roll with.
Speaker 4: If you win. If you win Thomas Brooks and went
Speaker 4: Van Pram from Georgia, Yeah, I could dance with that
Speaker 4: if you're gonna but I'm gonna need you to address
Speaker 4: that center spot with that third round pick out of
Speaker 4: know where you guys think about Van Pram from Georgia,
Speaker 4: But that's that that that might be if if you
Speaker 4: if you just say we're taking those those two offensive players,
Speaker 4: or excuse me, those two skill guys in the center,
Speaker 4: then I could I can justify that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, even if you're not gonna go get the tackle,
Speaker 7: I think get in the center does kind of even
Speaker 7: things out because you have a TJ. Bast that can
Speaker 7: do some guard things as well.
Speaker 9: But do y'all think that. I mean, when when t J.
Speaker 7: Bass starts showing what he was capable of, I immediately
Speaker 7: thought about the fact that Zach Martin is you know
Speaker 7: we're talking about we're mostly talking about the left side
Speaker 7: of this offensive line.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we ain't talked about the right side. And you know,
Speaker 9: as much respect as we have for Zach even.
Speaker 7: Though he was helping out his center lote, I do
Speaker 7: think that, you know, we have to be considered of
Speaker 7: the fact that he is getting older as well and
Speaker 7: replenishing that spot. So it's like, I am very I
Speaker 7: wonder what if that's going to come into play as well,
Speaker 7: Like do they surprise us and get a guy that
Speaker 7: just has that flexibility or is there are they just
Speaker 7: going to stick with the left side.
Speaker 8: They've always shown like flexibility is important, right right? They
Speaker 8: do covet that, you know, a piano player on the
Speaker 8: offensive line, they can play up and down. I think
Speaker 8: that's definitely interesting. I would not be thrilled with that scenario.
Speaker 8: And it's not that I don't like Brian Thomas.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 8: I'm not trying to come away with the first round
Speaker 8: wide receiver because I think it's one of the most
Speaker 8: it's the deepest position groups. I don't think it's necessary.
Speaker 8: I think it's a little bit of a luxury pick.
Speaker 8: I don't know that that's even necessarily the best player
Speaker 8: on your board. So I you know, hey, I can
Speaker 8: be sold again if you circle back and you get
Speaker 8: a center you feel really good about in the third.
Speaker 8: But to me, I'm building it from the offense. I
Speaker 8: want to go inside out. Having great receivers.
Speaker 4: Does mean nothing if I cannot block and protect upon Okay,
Speaker 4: take Thomas out of the mix and put in Coleman,
Speaker 4: put in Mitchell, put in any one of those wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Is there anybody that could get you off the off
Speaker 4: that thought another wide receiver because you don't like Thomas.
Speaker 8: I mean I would be it's something I don't like Thomas.
Speaker 8: I do have Mitchell great a higher though. Okay, Mitchell,
Speaker 8: what if Mitchell was Mitchell?
Speaker 4: They take Mitchell at twenty four and we're just assuming
Speaker 4: like Barton's gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 4: I would feel the same no matter what receiver they
Speaker 4: came away with.
Speaker 2: So it's Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 8: Look, hey, okay, if you're getting the best player, sure
Speaker 8: at his position, I get it. But I just think overall,
Speaker 8: I feel good about taking a wide receiver in the
Speaker 8: third you know, and rather i'd take the better center
Speaker 8: in the first.
Speaker 5: Let me throw another scenario out where they don't take
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman at all in the first couple of days.
Speaker 5: Instead they addressed defensive tackle there in the third round,
Speaker 5: and they get like a Mason Smith or McKinley Jackson,
Speaker 5: and they circle back and getting Hunter nors At in
Speaker 5: the fifth round.
Speaker 6: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4: I like Hunters, so I mean, I like, but I've
Speaker 4: got the bubbles. I'm still nervous.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm not taking a receiver in the Smith Mason
Speaker 5: Smith meaning the fourth.
Speaker 4: I would take Jackson over Mason Smith from Texas A
Speaker 4: and m myself too. Mason Smith to me is a teaser.
Speaker 7: Yeah, big body ruined the whole scenario for me.
Speaker 3: Smiths just like I'm out, and for that reason.
Speaker 9: But I would be cool with that.
Speaker 7: I just I the I think the trenches on both
Speaker 7: sides of the ball, or what even to the zax
Speaker 7: point are what I'm looking at them. Prioritizing despite the
Speaker 7: fact that you only got Brandon Cooks for another deal year,
Speaker 7: you just like lost Michael Gallup.
Speaker 4: And you can use another receiver. Absolutely good.
Speaker 8: I just think, man, if you're looking at like, where's
Speaker 8: the value in this draft, it's it's taken a receiver later.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. I think it'll be some
Speaker 9: people there.
Speaker 2: Along the same lines.
Speaker 3: Matthew asked, what is the percentage that the Cowboys pick
Speaker 3: anything other than offensive line in the first Give me,
Speaker 3: give me a number, give me a percentage anything outside
Speaker 3: I was taking twenty five to thir I think it's
Speaker 3: even smaller than it probably is. I think it's probably
Speaker 3: like fifteen. I think they're gonna take off Tasman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get you. What if this what if I
Speaker 4: told you Murphy's on the board. I think they'd still
Speaker 4: probably go a lignement.
Speaker 2: You know what it is if they depends on who
Speaker 2: else is there.
Speaker 8: I think what's more likely is you trade back and
Speaker 8: all right, Eddrian Cooper.
Speaker 4: They'll get back from eight and m Murphy Guiden Latham mimes,
Speaker 4: I my highest graded player.
Speaker 2: Out of that is is Latham. I would take Latham.
Speaker 5: There, Murphy Guiden Latham memes, I'm parachuting, you're getting out.
Speaker 4: I would get blowing the hatches the bottom.
Speaker 7: That stresses me out because I think that I think
Speaker 7: I would.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 7: You already know how I feel about Latham. I think
Speaker 7: he can play, but I'll be scared because.
Speaker 4: Murphy, that's.
Speaker 8: Really yeah, Murphy, I have better than those two tackles.
Speaker 8: And I gotta I mean, hey, I'm standing on it.
Speaker 8: You gotta stay true to the board addressing and so
Speaker 8: what I was raised.
Speaker 4: By Brian brought his son that. I mean, it's Latham.
Speaker 4: Latham would probably be my pick.
Speaker 8: Otherwise, if they're like, now we can't move them from
Speaker 8: the right side, I'll just take Murphy and leave it.
Speaker 3: If that's the thing, and that's part of the conversations
Speaker 3: that we don't get to be a part of. If
Speaker 3: they're keeping them at right tackle and they can't move
Speaker 3: them the left, I still think he can play left personally,
Speaker 3: or at.
Speaker 2: Least play left guard, or yeah, sure, left guard. It's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that, But if they're keeping them on
Speaker 3: the right side, then yeah, I'm taking Murphy, but I
Speaker 3: think he can play.
Speaker 9: On the left side well.
Speaker 7: With Memes, I think I've accepted that he's gonna go
Speaker 7: to a team he's gonna be really good, and then
Speaker 7: we're just gonna have to watch them afar because I probably, please,
Speaker 7: what's wrong with you? Because I do think somebody's gonna
Speaker 7: take the risk. Somebody's gonna do it, and but I
Speaker 7: don't know. I think he might make it out the
Speaker 7: first round.
Speaker 9: More than what we think.
Speaker 7: I think it's possible because you can like the player
Speaker 7: all day, but the lack of playtime is stifling. It's stifling,
Speaker 7: and it's important, and I think it's important to statch
Speaker 7: sometimes he's getting the second level.
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't have a feel of where to bok.
Speaker 7: How different is he from the guys we're talking about
Speaker 7: in the fifth, sixth, seventh round where we're like, Okay,
Speaker 7: they're drafting for trades. Baby, if you draft him, you
Speaker 7: drafted for trades. It's not enough tape to be super concrete, Like,
Speaker 7: no there.
Speaker 8: Is, but I guess you do have a college football
Speaker 8: playoff semi finally again no, and.
Speaker 9: He and he bawled out. But we know about offensive line.
Speaker 7: It is literally I'm looking for consistency with it.
Speaker 4: And so I'm like, I don't think I've ever taken
Speaker 4: a player in the first round. I've seen one game on.
Speaker 15: I'm just saying, you know, maybe maybe US media scouts
Speaker 15: and we're just, oh my gosh, we're gushing over the talent,
Speaker 15: but maybe honestly the lack of tape could be a
Speaker 15: reason why he slides the second you thank god if
Speaker 15: that dude turns out to be the best.
Speaker 9: Shocked not accepted it. I have accepted he's gonna be
Speaker 9: really good. And it's just gonna hurt But that's okay.
Speaker 9: It's gonna hurt me. But it's just is what it is.
Speaker 9: I don't know. It's it's a lot to ask of.
Speaker 3: A young if they if they across the hallway, and Brian,
Speaker 3: you've talked about this a little bit. If across the
Speaker 3: hallway they make the decision and they say, Memes is
Speaker 3: good enough for us. Traits are there, we can teach
Speaker 3: him the fact the fundamentals are there enough to where
Speaker 3: he could come in start that guy, he's gonna I
Speaker 3: think he would turn in to be a monster, an
Speaker 3: absolute monster. Do I think he does that in any scenario?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. But those people across the hallway know scout
Speaker 3: flyinmen and how to grow them.
Speaker 4: But she's right though, they're having the same thoughts we are.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 4: They're like, Okay, what games we need to watch here? Okay,
Speaker 4: they're on the Ohio State game and againy other games?
Speaker 4: We go, okay, what about Oh wait, he got hurt?
Speaker 4: How many games this guy played? You know you're gonna
Speaker 4: the report is going to be read. He's played eight
Speaker 4: games in his career, basically, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I think it add a layer to it too,
Speaker 5: as he comes from a two A program in Georgia,
Speaker 5: Like it's not like he was coming from this powerhouse
Speaker 5: in Georgia high school football where he was developed as
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman. I mean he was coming from raw
Speaker 5: where he was the guy in the entire town as
Speaker 5: a fifteen year old.
Speaker 4: So I'll let somebody else be a hero. I will.
Speaker 4: It'll hurt you when you watch, but you know it'll
Speaker 4: teach me next time. Oh yeah, sure, you could take
Speaker 4: a guy with eight games and he'll be an All
Speaker 4: Pro tackle. Can I get you guys to take a
Speaker 4: lot to or verse instead of a tackle.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you absolutely could, especially if again, if it's between
Speaker 8: like geton or mems, I mean verse to me like
Speaker 8: I love law too, I think a lot two is
Speaker 8: the best. I'm not passing on him, but again, he's
Speaker 8: a guy with like the neck and the medicals.
Speaker 4: You got to feel good about it.
Speaker 8: Have you just had a situation with Leyton vander ash
Speaker 8: where unfortunately his career didn't go as long as you
Speaker 8: wanted to because of that. So maybe I would pivot
Speaker 8: to verse. But both of those guys likely are the
Speaker 8: top two players on my board compared to those other
Speaker 8: two tackles.
Speaker 9: It's going to be a no for me though. On verse,
Speaker 9: I'm going to be a no because I don't care
Speaker 9: what edge you got.
Speaker 7: If your interior is lacking, then baby's gonna be struggling.
Speaker 3: Right all right, we gotta take a second break. Great
Speaker 3: questions for Twitter on the twenty today. When we come back,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about some smaller school games, draw
Speaker 3: you offside D two Juco, and then maybe we'll hit
Speaker 3: some of those linebackers that are thirty visits.
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Speaker 3: to go through some small school prospects here.
Speaker 2: Division two JUCO HBCU.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter, it can't be D one and that includes
Speaker 3: the FCS. No South Dakota State guys here. Okay, we're
Speaker 3: getting real deep into this. No North Dakota State ye,
Speaker 3: No South Dakota State.
Speaker 4: No jack Rabbits here.
Speaker 2: Get they're too good.
Speaker 3: They've won national championships, even Montana. No Montana guys.
Speaker 5: The reason date, the reason for bringing this to the
Speaker 5: forefront as well is because who knows the next Austin
Speaker 5: Eckler might be in this draft. The Cowboys they took
Speaker 5: a couple of D two undrafted free undruct free agents
Speaker 5: last year. David Derdan was one who's still in the
Speaker 5: building rehabbing a torn a cl But I'm trying to
Speaker 5: think of some other d two guys that have made
Speaker 5: made names. And there was a guy out of Leonora
Speaker 5: Ryan a couple of years of Kyle Doug, Kyle Duggar.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there are some names, but yeah, I think
Speaker 5: this is an interesting topic.
Speaker 3: These are the Wisconsin Whitewater a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: had an offensive lineman out of the draft.
Speaker 6: Hell of a program.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ali Murpett, Yeah, Hobart, that's a watched him. They
Speaker 4: had a bounce house in the end zone. Kids were like,
Speaker 4: they're playing the game. You see the kids in the
Speaker 4: bounce house out in the end zone.
Speaker 2: Love that. That's when you know that's real.
Speaker 4: Hobart getting it done.
Speaker 2: Darns all right, shall I want you to kick things off?
Speaker 2: Who you got?
Speaker 9: I got a guard? C. J.
Speaker 7: Hanson from Holy Cross took snaps at center at the
Speaker 7: Shrine Bowl. Looked really good. I had a lot of
Speaker 7: good reports y'all. His initial quickness, I think he ran
Speaker 7: a four to five flat forty a few weeks ago,
Speaker 7: and just the lateral movement is fantastic from him. Like
Speaker 7: I said, the initial quickness stands out. He thrives on counters,
Speaker 7: traps pulling because he has crazy balance and good athleticism.
Speaker 9: He's off able to get off the line very fast.
Speaker 7: He's a physical, physical finisher though, so he'll get there
Speaker 7: with the speed, but he has some of the power
Speaker 7: to be able to finish blocks.
Speaker 9: And because that's something you worry about.
Speaker 7: With a lot of these guys who are super athletic,
Speaker 7: You're like, hey, can you drop your anchor?
Speaker 9: Can you drop that a? And can you make somebody
Speaker 9: move somebody out the way?
Speaker 7: So he also plays with good knee bend and core strength.
Speaker 7: Like I said, I think his foot quickness also allows
Speaker 7: him to recover even when he's in tough spots. Very
Speaker 7: confident and versatile player. Like I said, he's I think
Speaker 7: people might be interested in being able to move him
Speaker 7: across the line. He can do some swing things, but
Speaker 7: when he took when he took snaps at center at
Speaker 7: the Shrine Bowl, he looks stout man and I think
Speaker 7: he's definitely risen his stock with how he's tested.
Speaker 9: Even at the combine. He crushed the combine.
Speaker 7: He had one of the fastest times from the interior
Speaker 7: linemen that we've seen in a minute.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I just wanted to mention him and he's a.
Speaker 7: He's a guy when you talk about earlier Zach like, hey,
Speaker 7: maybe they get a center later.
Speaker 9: He's a guard, but he does have.
Speaker 7: The ability to play center and can be an option
Speaker 7: in the later rounds.
Speaker 3: I like that his five flat forty of the combine
Speaker 3: ninety fifth percentile out of interior offense.
Speaker 9: He can move, but he's not all It's not all movement.
Speaker 7: It's he has some power to him too, and I
Speaker 7: think that's what's gonna make him an appealing pick if
Speaker 7: somebody grabs him.
Speaker 2: All right, Nick, who you got?
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna dive into a guy here who stole
Speaker 5: the show at the Michigan State Pro Day a few
Speaker 5: weeks ago. He was able to kind of sneak into
Speaker 5: this pro day workout as a member of Farris State
Speaker 5: in Big Rapids Michigan Division two program. He is the
Speaker 5: cousin of Joey Porter junior if you all remember from
Speaker 5: last year, and the nephew of Joey Porter senior. We're
Speaker 5: gonna talk about Sean Stevens here s h o n
Speaker 5: at hou spelled Sean forty yard dash that was timed.
Speaker 5: This is from an area of scout at the Michigan
Speaker 5: State Pro day forty yard dash, four point three eight,
Speaker 5: shuttle four point two nine, three cones six point nine
Speaker 5: to nine, vertical thirty six and a half, and broad
Speaker 5: was ten feet and whenever you look at this guy
Speaker 5: in coverage, he was he backed all of that up.
Speaker 5: He had eight interceptions last year. He had a run
Speaker 5: of five games in a row where he had an interception.
Speaker 5: A big returnability too. He had a kickoff return for
Speaker 5: a touchdown last year, average almost forty yards per return.
Speaker 6: Last year.
Speaker 5: He was a guy that was trying to transfer into FBS.
Speaker 5: Penn State was trying to get him in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5: Perdue was trying to get him in twenty twenty, or
Speaker 5: excuse me, twenty twenty three, but he was denied transfer
Speaker 5: eligibility in both of those situations. It wasn't grades or anything.
Speaker 5: It was kind of a situation I haven't quite figured out.
Speaker 5: But he ended up sticking with Farris State and now
Speaker 5: he's draft eligible, and man, he's been blowing up these workouts.
Speaker 5: The biggest concern about him five foot eight and a
Speaker 5: half one seventy three, so the size is not there whatsoever.
Speaker 5: But I think he's an interesting guy that you could
Speaker 5: probably throw in the nickel and you rely on him
Speaker 5: to be able to take on some of these speedier
Speaker 5: options that come out of the slots. He was able
Speaker 5: to play bigger than what his size was at that
Speaker 5: D two level last year, but once you upgrade that
Speaker 5: to the NFL level, you know, after a couple of
Speaker 5: years development, what does that look like. That's probably a
Speaker 5: valid criticism, but man, he has really stole the show
Speaker 5: from the area of scouts up there in Michigan.
Speaker 9: Thank you for that which you.
Speaker 4: Got Brian jayleb Hunt from Houston, talk about it. Huson
Speaker 4: Christian Yeah transfer from Cornell. He was a high school
Speaker 4: safety wide receiver. He's an edge linebacker. He plays as
Speaker 4: a stand up linebacker. It rushes the passes passer. I
Speaker 4: think this is where he's going to have to play
Speaker 4: in the NFL. He's going to have to be an
Speaker 4: edge player. Six four two fifty two. He physically looks
Speaker 4: to part long arms height. He's going to need to
Speaker 4: get more strength in his lower body and to play
Speaker 4: with his experience. He doesn't handle blockers particularly well at
Speaker 4: this time. He tends to lose the ball, tends to
Speaker 4: play a little tall. But though there would be some
Speaker 4: initial quickness as a pass rusher. The linked helps him.
Speaker 4: He takes like a euro step. You'll appreciate this in
Speaker 4: your love for NBA basketball. He'll take that euro step
Speaker 4: to get off the ball and then burst where he
Speaker 4: needs to go. He closed from the backside. Once he
Speaker 4: finds the ball, he is there. Need to keep working
Speaker 4: on him as a pass rusher. He's not a linebacker.
Speaker 4: I think that you know, he's not the type that's
Speaker 4: going to read and play coverage. But if you want
Speaker 4: a guy that's got some raw traits to him, Jalen
Speaker 4: Jylex Hunt from Houston Christian is a guy.
Speaker 5: And the Cowboys were in at senance at Houston Christians
Speaker 5: Pro day where he's basically just excuss.
Speaker 8: That guy looks the part. But yeah, it's inconsistent getting
Speaker 8: off blocks and they do drop him off in covera
Speaker 8: a lot. He's having to play out there in space consistently.
Speaker 8: I was talking with Nick, I saw this guy circling
Speaker 8: on social media. Cole Burgess, the wide receiver from Courtland State.
Speaker 8: Interesting player, six foot one, one nine two. We're going
Speaker 8: and we're talking D three football here with the Dragons there.
Speaker 8: Let's go to the Elite eight confer the Empire eight Conference.
Speaker 8: But he was first team All Empire Conference at eighty
Speaker 8: seven catches one three hundred and seventy three or sixteen
Speaker 8: tds last year and last season, I mean all of
Speaker 8: that was a school record. He's got three career touchdowns
Speaker 8: on kick returns as well in a block punt, so
Speaker 8: he's definitely going to be able to contribute make a
Speaker 8: team on special teams. But he will I mean, this
Speaker 8: guy is reckless, abandoned. He will sell out his body
Speaker 8: to dive, get on the ground and fight for football.
Speaker 8: So he'll go over the middle. He does not care
Speaker 8: if he's getting double teams. He's willing to take a shot.
Speaker 8: He's got natural hands and to me, the route runnings there,
Speaker 8: I mean fifty to fifty balls for a smaller receiver.
Speaker 8: He's gonna go up and get it. Plays with good
Speaker 8: vision and instincts. He's got good balance through contact, quick
Speaker 8: off the line, can create some separation.
Speaker 4: Now there's times, right, I don't think he's got elite speed.
Speaker 8: He's got a four to four to seven guy, so
Speaker 8: he's good at hand fighting to try and create a
Speaker 8: little bit of space for himself. At the NFL level,
Speaker 8: when he goes up against some bigger, faster corners and
Speaker 8: he's playing against some press man. How does he look
Speaker 8: in those situations? But my gosh, his tape Cole Burgess
Speaker 8: from Courtland was it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Study okay, a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Just because I said it earlier.
Speaker 2: There's no FCS allowed.
Speaker 3: I don't want any of Houston Christian or Holy Cross
Speaker 3: individuals coming after me.
Speaker 2: They do play in the FCS. But but I am
Speaker 2: it's okay, I went allow it. I'm going to allow it.
Speaker 4: But you went D three.
Speaker 7: You were I'm trying to find that back two more
Speaker 7: then i got one more than Shrinebowl guy, Sundata Sundita
Speaker 7: Anderson edge stake.
Speaker 2: Later. I gotta be careful.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 6: He is awesome though he's a big dude off the end.
Speaker 2: Tell me about him anyway, I'm allowing.
Speaker 9: I'm upset. Well are they?
Speaker 6: You said there.
Speaker 4: They are?
Speaker 2: So I said, so go for it.
Speaker 9: I'm still learning. Leave me alone anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to know, that's all. I go for it.
Speaker 7: You talk about the Bill Nick, Yeah, dog, he's he's huge,
Speaker 7: but he's moving very violent hands. His motor is through
Speaker 7: the roof, the backside pursuits there. He has a quick
Speaker 7: initial step like he he made some of those tackles
Speaker 7: at the Shrine Bowl look crazy in one on one.
Speaker 9: I like his hand placement.
Speaker 7: He can read well, and he has the ability to disengage,
Speaker 7: which is very important to me looking at edge now
Speaker 7: because Lord, there's so many of them that cannot get
Speaker 7: off blocks consist and it drives me nuts. And he
Speaker 7: when he does disengage, it's aggressive. It's not it's get
Speaker 7: off me. It's not get off me. I mean it's
Speaker 7: it's he's really trying to get people's hands off of him.
Speaker 7: He has to get better on taking on double teams
Speaker 7: and finding you know, strength in his anchor and being
Speaker 7: able to take those on, which is something that guys
Speaker 7: develop over time or whatever the case may be. But yeah,
Speaker 7: you talk about the violent hands, the motor all that stuff.
Speaker 9: He has a nice little toolbox too as a rusher.
Speaker 7: He's a guy that I think people should look at
Speaker 7: as somebody that can get picked up and make a
Speaker 7: difference on a team.
Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure, I'm just go through the freaking.
Speaker 4: Yes real quick too. Two names you need to keep
Speaker 4: an eye on. I'm not going to talk about him
Speaker 4: in link. But Jovenini Manu from British Columbia love it.
Speaker 4: Is an offensive tackle and he's got a teammate, Theo Benedett,
Speaker 4: who is the right tackle. One's a left tackle, the
Speaker 4: other's a right tackle. British Columbia. These two kids in
Speaker 4: the offensive line are probably gonna get drafted. We're gonna
Speaker 4: call their names at some point in time. This trapt
Speaker 4: talking to scouts. They said, hey, make sure you take
Speaker 4: a look at these two British Columbia offensive linemen.
Speaker 2: They were on the same team, same team.
Speaker 4: Manu plays left tackle, Benedette plays right tackle.
Speaker 2: I want to watch that film. Yeah, that sounds fun.
Speaker 4: It's funny with about seventeen guys in motion at once.
Speaker 4: You're kind of like, WHOA some serious eye candy going
Speaker 4: on here. But yeah, these two British Columbia offensive tackles
Speaker 4: man who was three hundred and forty pounds and moves
Speaker 4: like he's about three ten.
Speaker 3: I feel like you would just take their their film
Speaker 3: and put it up next against like WWE, where people
Speaker 3: are lifting people off the ground.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of movement going on in at a
Speaker 4: lot of movement going on.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: If I can shout out a couple of more guys
Speaker 5: on the HBCU side of things.
Speaker 6: RJ.
Speaker 5: Mobley receiver out of Winston Salem State up in North Carolina.
Speaker 5: Take a look at that guy, really productive out of
Speaker 5: the slot there for Winston Salem State. And then also
Speaker 5: Jordan Toles out of a Morgan State safety kind of
Speaker 5: like a safety line backer hybrid type.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 5: I think he's he's a guy that probably best at safety, though,
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be
Speaker 5: priority undrafted free agent Jordan Toles. A really fascinating watch
Speaker 5: there for him.
Speaker 3: Five dollars to the first person that can name Winston
Speaker 3: Salem State's logo.
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Speaker 4: I brought up Hobert College today, Hobert College, shout out
Speaker 4: on the Draft show.
Speaker 2: How about that he watched that tape?
Speaker 4: Folks.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, We've got a lot more to break down coming up.
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