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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host Questlove with Me. Today is the Team Supreme family,

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Speaker 1: featuring our newly minted Gotta operatee Sugar Steve.

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Speaker 2: I'm the New York.

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Speaker 1: How was the Steve?

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Speaker 2: And you know it was really a joke, Like I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was supposed to get a joke.

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Speaker 3: Me just campaigned to try to get on the float,

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Speaker 3: and then you got me on the float, and then

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Speaker 3: it was a matter of like sort of figuring out

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Speaker 3: what the hell was going on that day it was

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Speaker 3: pouring rain, and it just ended up, long story short,

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Speaker 3: just ended up being so much more enjoyable and so

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Speaker 3: much more heartwarming than I thought my heart could get.

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Speaker 3: You know, like, I'm so jaded at this point. And

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Speaker 3: you know, being from New York, you never think you

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Speaker 3: can see uh, you're supposed to be Jaden new right,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, and I'm there.

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Speaker 3: I was, and I was just just waving at kids

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Speaker 3: and just taking it all in. Seeing the city from

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Speaker 3: that perspective, it was just it was kind of magic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have to say that if you're a generation

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Speaker 1: person raised on like faris Muler's day off. I highly

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Speaker 1: recommend getting in a parade by hook or crook.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so now I'm just looking around for people with parades,

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Speaker 3: you know, So if you know.

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Speaker 1: You're available for parades, good birthday boy, Bill Houses, sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you great?

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Speaker 4: I'm so jada. I don't even go to the parade anymore.

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Speaker 4: How about that? That's like next level jadedness that anyway.

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Speaker 5: You once got me on a parade float.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, my favorite part about the parade every year is

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Speaker 4: seeing you guys, because you always are the float that's

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Speaker 4: right next to the same street float, and so there's

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Speaker 4: always like something, there's always something happening. But then one

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Speaker 4: year you were on ours, which is like a weird

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Speaker 4: kids Midtie meeting of all the worlds, which is super cool.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of being on your float was that

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Speaker 1: was Carol Spinny's last time being on a float. Carol Spinny,

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Speaker 1: who played Big Bird Spending at the time, was like

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Speaker 1: at least eighty eighty eight, right, so still playing Big Bird,

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Speaker 1: and they were concerned that him being inside that hot

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Speaker 1: ass costume would be too much for him to handle

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Speaker 1: at eighty eight years old.

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Speaker 5: And so he was like, nah, I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it, and then maybe like two hours in

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Speaker 1: he was sort of like, Okay, I need some mayor.

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Speaker 1: And I know that one of the main things that

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Speaker 1: you guys are vigilant about is not letting kids see

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Speaker 1: a lifeless muppet, because the second that the characters out

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Speaker 1: of him, it just looks dead like. And so the

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Speaker 1: way that they had to cover this entire bird, this

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Speaker 1: eight foot bird, so that he could unzip himself and

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Speaker 1: get some breath was hilarious because they didn't do it

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Speaker 1: all the way. So there's like people on his on

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Speaker 1: the west side of the float that could clearly see

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Speaker 1: a slumped over, dead big bird light yep, and.

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Speaker 5: There was like one or two kids like but that

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Speaker 5: was the most.

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Speaker 1: Hilarious thing ever dream crushed. How was your vacation, your

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Speaker 1: your Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 6: Oh it was good, Yo. I just gotta say, I'm

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Speaker 6: so proud of y'all. Y'all talk about people being off

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Speaker 6: floats like this is a regular person thing, like on

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Speaker 6: your be on my float, on your float, like it's

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Speaker 6: a moment chill, but like, uh, and to really celebrate

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Speaker 6: all of y'all, that's really dope. But plans was great.

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Speaker 6: It was DC, it was great. Now I'm in Cardagena, Colombia.

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Speaker 1: You're in Columbia right now, Jesus. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to talk about her house because

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's the room I've never seen before.

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Speaker 6: Said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all got to get into this.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, Colombia is a beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: So, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to say, our

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Speaker 1: guest needs no introduction. Yes, but I also write, I

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Speaker 1: also realize that whenever you have such a unique talent,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes that particular being might be the favorite of your

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Speaker 1: favorite singer. This might be one of the rare situations

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Speaker 1: in which our guest today might be the favorite singer

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Speaker 1: of your favorite singer's favorite singer, Like.

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Speaker 2: Your favorite singer's mama likes this guy too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I'm working on less hyperbole, but having

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Speaker 1: been a witness to our guest today some twenty five

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Speaker 1: twenty six years ago in my living room, like I've

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Speaker 1: never had someone literally like you remember the moment and

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Speaker 1: back to the future when Martin McFly starts doing a

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Speaker 1: modern guitar solo and nineteen fifties and you know, the

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Speaker 1: entire band stops playing Johnny be Good and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've never had a musician literally stopped me in my tracks.

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Speaker 1: I remember we were playing in my living room and

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Speaker 1: I think Anthony Tidd was next to me, and I

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Speaker 1: was just like, yo, who. The only time I ever

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Speaker 1: said like yo, who the fuck is that? Is usually

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Speaker 1: like some girl that blows my mind. I've never had

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Speaker 1: an artist just make me like what the hell is this?

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Speaker 1: And more than that, how can I be down? And

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Speaker 1: I'd stay consistent in saying that I absolutely squander no

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Speaker 1: time to collaborate or work with this artist simply because

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Speaker 1: like it gives me the best seat in the house

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Speaker 1: sometimes just to really display a level of performance that

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Speaker 1: you rarely, rarely truly get to see. Where we are

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Speaker 1: and this sort of well rehearsed, well curated, instagram filtered

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Speaker 1: perfected kind of creative cycle that we're in in which

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not allowed to see any of the

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Speaker 1: flaws or the bendit notes or whatever, and we're here

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Speaker 1: to celebrate, of course, is his latest album of Just

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Speaker 1: Brightness really is the entire history, Ladies and Gentlemen, one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite. It's almost a disservice to call him

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Speaker 1: a performance artist, because I can't say a singer.

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Speaker 5: I can't say an artist.

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Speaker 3: I can't even say people are beings like exotic answer, Maybe.

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Speaker 1: May we all truly channel in our creative energy. I

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Speaker 1: have not even channeled in half the creative energy that

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Speaker 1: our guest today has displayed.

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Speaker 5: Please welcome belowd.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: Can we say our favorite sick? Our favorite?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I felt bad making this personal introduction like it

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Speaker 1: was just about me. Yes, but this far beyond giving

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Speaker 1: you your flowers. My voice has been shot for the

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Speaker 1: last like nine days. I assume that, yes, when you

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Speaker 1: sing it's zero to one thousand on the autobond. As

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Speaker 1: far as dynamics and wherever you think your voice should

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Speaker 1: go at that particular moment, do you have a ritual

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Speaker 1: to take care of your voice? Like how do you

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Speaker 1: prevent what you're hearing right now?

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Speaker 7: Me talking like I don't usually get vorse like that,

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Speaker 7: but I've got different concoctions that I made to stop it,

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Speaker 7: like different teas like when I'm on the road, I

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Speaker 7: got to tea it I make every time because it's

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Speaker 7: like I can be good all the way up until

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Speaker 7: like maybe if I'm on the road for like a month.

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Speaker 7: The last eat I start. It's not that I'm getting

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Speaker 7: a horse, but I get like that. Uh. I can't

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Speaker 7: sing soft no more, and I like to sing soft,

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Speaker 7: so it's like I can't do nothing soft. I'm just

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Speaker 7: straight power. But I boil Ginger, Limon and Kanye and

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Speaker 7: Pepper got it, got it yeah, and the honey, Yeah

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Speaker 7: for sure. When I'm mad horse, I put garlic in

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Speaker 7: there and it works. Sometimes it works every time, like

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Speaker 7: brand new voice.

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Speaker 5: Damn.

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Speaker 7: That's like if I'm horse and I don't have no voice.

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Speaker 7: But if I'm like good, I still got my voice.

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Speaker 7: Just the Kanye, Pepper, Ginger, Lemon things, got it ended

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Speaker 7: up just making perfect. But if I sound like you,

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Speaker 7: I put like a big ass piece of garlic in there,

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Speaker 7: but a little bit of garlic in Man.

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Speaker 1: Everyone tells me garlic a reguano, But I'm so anti

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Speaker 1: bad breath, i'd really suffer.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 7: No, But it's it's like a tea, so it's not

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Speaker 7: like you're eating it, so it's like you had something,

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Speaker 7: some superor something.

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Speaker 1: It's always the next day, man, I wake up with

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Speaker 1: the dragon.

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Speaker 7: So I'll never eat gard like in my life.

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Speaker 1: I'm that serious. So like the next day, the dragon just.

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Speaker 7: Completely I completely understand. I mean I grew up with

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Speaker 7: the name Beloud when they had the movie A House

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Speaker 7: Pardon and Right, and Martin was Stank breath Aloud, So

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Speaker 7: like umble fifth grade to eighth grade, I was Bank

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Speaker 7: breath Aloud and I was the singer. So like every

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Speaker 7: time I sang, the whole auditorium was like, oh, I'll

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Speaker 7: just smell it. It was just a movie. It like

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Speaker 7: ruined my life till high school.

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Speaker 1: All right. So for the benefit of audience members that

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Speaker 1: some basic questions. Could you please tell us the glorious

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Speaker 7: Philadelphia? Of course, yeah, German can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't do the siren noise?

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What was your first musical memory?

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Speaker 7: First musical memory is probably in my pops house acting

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Speaker 7: out Thriller, but shortly after that, like that's just me

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Speaker 7: acting out music by myself. The Sterly used to always

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Speaker 7: kind of scare me a little bit, but the video

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Speaker 7: video scared and Ship, but also the album itself who

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Speaker 7: all of that kind of Ship used to scare me.

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Speaker 7: My pops used to play it. It kind of scooped

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Speaker 1: I was wondering when the fact did that song have

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Speaker 1: used to always play Curtis Mayfield's If There's Hell below,

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Speaker 1: We're all going to go Oh Yeah, which is essentially

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Speaker 1: just a bunch of psychedelic echoes and yelling like I

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Speaker 1: We're in hell. But to this day it scares me,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I always wondered if

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Speaker 1: Thriller truly scared people to that level where they just

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Speaker 1: don't want to because also Michael Jackson makes it appear

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Speaker 1: like fun, like hey, zombies are fun, But you know.

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Speaker 7: No, that's scared. That's all scared me. Before the video

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Speaker 7: the intro. Scared needed to scare me and my brother

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Speaker 7: ski the hell out of it. It's like my first musical,

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Speaker 7: like early music memory. But then I've been singing shortly

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Speaker 7: after that, like on a church choir, Like I've been

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Speaker 7: singing on church choir since a really long like little kid,

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Speaker 6: So when did they hear it in you? When did

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Speaker 6: everybody else go wait minute? What's that your family?

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Speaker 7: Every I think I got like the lead vocal. Like

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Speaker 7: the day I joined the choir, I went to a

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Speaker 7: church where everybody in my family had to be on fire.

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Speaker 7: Like the whole church was my family. Anyway, Like what

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Speaker 7: church is this? There was a second Baptist church in

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Speaker 7: Franklin and it was just a little church. And I

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Speaker 7: would say on the other side of Brower Street toward

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Speaker 7: there because you go keep going down. But literally, everybody

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Speaker 7: in the church is my family. My grandmam had thirteen kids,

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Speaker 7: everybody went to.

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Speaker 1: Church around there had to go to church.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, like everybody had to go church or passed through there.

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Speaker 1: So you have one siblings I got, You're for Philadelphia,

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Speaker 7: So yeah, like from my mother, there's my older brother

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Speaker 5: Was it pretty clear cut that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. From early on, like as soon as I started

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Speaker 1: Me, Like, how did you discover you had this voice

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Speaker 7: I don't know, I just it became apparent in church

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Speaker 1: But being the oddball cousin of the black Sheep, how

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Speaker 7: It was my cousins who everybody kind of didd like

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Speaker 7: I don't know I could. It could only come out

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Speaker 1: What is your go to song that you would sing?

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Speaker 1: If adults made you, hey, sing something bloud?

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Speaker 7: Like it would be like some Michael Jackson shit.

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Speaker 1: You know from four to seven or eight? Who were

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Speaker 7: Four to seven? I think I'm By then, I was

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Speaker 7: I didn't really have like a I would say, Michael

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Speaker 7: I went to Saint Maleky's right over there by break

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Speaker 8: She was the one that was like this motherfucker can say, like,

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Speaker 6: You remember would you preach them?

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, come on, please obey your parents. Now.

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Speaker 1: If social media was out, then you would have been

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Speaker 1: hell yeah, is there any documentation of you? Pretend like

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I was just at a concert the other day.

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Speaker 7: I got a video tape, but you I think you're

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Speaker 7: like nine years old, look oh younger singing that some

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Speaker 7: It's like it's so hilarious. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the way that I think I first heard of you,

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Speaker 1: Like he sounds like a fully formed range, like I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for you? Was there any other option?

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Speaker 1: Did you have any other desire to do something in

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I wanted to be an architect. I liked to

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Speaker 7: As far as like the recording or.

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Speaker 7: I broke out at church, like I started breaking out

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Speaker 6: Was about to say, when did your daddy be like,

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Speaker 7: Dad always hated the fact that I was going to

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Speaker 7: them from down the hole zanzer bar ship. I've been

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Speaker 7: But my dad used to take me there. She's just

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Speaker 7: I don't think he ever never, like.

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Speaker 1: Your dad would you do?

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Speaker 7: He knows what I do, but he ain't never heard

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Speaker 7: My papa say, is an eccentric guy like me, So

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Speaker 7: whatever he does, I'm just like I remember one time

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Speaker 7: My papa was so pissed at me singing in church.

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Speaker 7: was like, my son ain't gonna be gay. My son

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00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 7: ain't gonna be gay. I'm like, ah, it was embarrassing, man,

439
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 7: Like I think the keyboard player from Philly Meetzsche was

440
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 7: the playing. It was like one of those workshop type

441
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 7: things where you gotta pay to be in it. And

442
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 7: my mom so high school, my papa was very happy

443
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 7: that I had met he's cats, and so I went

444
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 7: to Philadelphia Clup Club high school. Because all of my

445
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 7: friends went to Clup Club, Jill jiel Shaw, George Burton,

446
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 7: Lowie brothers. They all told me if I wanted to

447
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 7: hang with them, I needed to learn jazz theory and

448
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 7: I need to learn chords and play piano because they

449
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 7: didn't want to hear me sing. I went to the

450
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 7: clup Club to learn piano and chords.

451
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: And ship and at the time was the instructor was yeah, yeah,

452
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: love it, Hans Okay, he was my instructor too. It's

453
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: where you said that because we as people have a

454
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: hard time expressing emotions that there's such a vulnerability in singing,

455
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: that there's a certain level of generally on people that

456
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I feel like singing is such a soft.

457
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 7: Experience.

458
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: But yet we love Eddie Kendricks, we love Smoking Robinson,

459
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: we love printing. Maybe I kind of sense that too,

460
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: like because I definitely know that there was a period

461
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: between like seventy four and eighty four where like if

462
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: you sang, then you were just ridiculed, like you know,

463
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: like you couldn't have a beautiful voice and surviving the

464
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: hood like you soft because you you sing beautiful, which

465
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: wasn't how.

466
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 6: It was in our parents' time. In our parents' time,

467
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 6: he were singing duo on the side. So something happened

468
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 6: at disconnect.

469
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 7: That's sweet. The hardest singers was joonas that.

470
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: In school, were you trying to start like groups with

471
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: people or were you just like.

472
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I went through phases, Like my

473
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 7: freshman year I was in a singing group. It was

474
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 7: a gospel group with the singers. I was like hardcour

475
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 7: in the vocal department everybody because this is the same ship.

476
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 7: She was saying, that's breaking out singing and up, you know,

477
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 7: in the hallway and ship. And I was in the

478
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 7: gospel group and I switched sophomore year and I started

479
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 7: trying to be in a jazz group. So I started

480
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 7: going to jam sessions. I got my first gig as

481
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 7: a vocalist Orn Evans band, the Blue Note or the

482
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 7: Blue Moon. There was this club called the Blue Moon

483
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 7: in Philly, and he used to do gigs. He had

484
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 7: just graduated, but we he would hire, you know, he

485
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 7: was still cats that was still in high school. So

486
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 7: I played in his and like I did like one

487
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 7: or two gigs then, and I shortly after that started

488
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 7: trying to like make my own dad. But it was

489
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 7: like a jazz trio. Like I from there, I got

490
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 7: the jazz bub Like I didn't even want to sing,

491
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 7: no other style of music until like maybe I got signed,

492
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 7: Like I was hard for wanted to be the next

493
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 7: Bobby McFerrin.

494
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 6: Or some ship you got sign singing No R and

495
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 6: b Copter No.

496
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 7: When I first met in teammate, I was in a

497
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 7: singing group because it was I was in the singing

498
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 7: group in high school. My cousin dated dodmu uh In

499
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 7: two Ma's son, and she would always talk about me

500
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 7: to him. And at the time, they was doing that

501
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 7: show New York Undercover, New York Undercover and yeah, and

502
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 7: they would do the music stuff. So it got out

503
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 7: that Tunes was looking for a group. So I put

504
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 7: a group together just to go up there, and uh,

505
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 7: Tunes didn't like the cats, but he liked my voice.

506
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 7: So that was like the second time I put a

507
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 7: group together. And I think I put another group together

508
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 7: to try and win a competition one but it was

509
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 7: like a jazz man.

510
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: I gotta get to the moment where I discover you

511
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: and I forget Amir.

512
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 6: You say human saxophone. That was a part of the story.

513
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 6: I remember you told me that that wasn't a part

514
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: of the story too, the human Saxophone game.

515
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: No, Like I believe James, he had me a cassette.

516
00:32:53,400 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: And for him, besides the fact that he knew Bloo's

517
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: voice was gonna blow my mind, there was one thing

518
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: that was slightly more mind blowing about this cassette I

519
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: was listening to, and Bloo's voice was the second thing

520
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: that was mind blowing. The first thing he said to

521
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: me was like, dude, the motherfucker from the Spin Doctors

522
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: co produced this and he put it on and I

523
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, you trying to tell me

524
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: the band of the stupid Just go ahead, now that's

525
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: been Doctors. And he's like, yeah, that's been Doctors. It

526
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: was almost like it was a party trick. I was like, yo,

527
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: listen to this demo. Guess who produced this? And they

528
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: just run out of shit, and you know, they would

529
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, it's some d'angelo's working on this new

530
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: group and that it and I was like, yo, let's

531
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: spend Doctors produced this, and then it was like, well,

532
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: who's that singer? So next to some village is fantastic demo?

533
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Blaud was in second place for like the demo. I

534
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: would just make people listen to twenty four to seven

535
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: and then like, guess who produced this? And then it

536
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: went to like hey, make me a copy, make a copy,

537
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: make me a copy. So can you tell the story

538
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: of how that demo came to be and how that

539
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: just started making the rounds.

540
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 7: I met Aaron at the News School.

541
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: Okay, he played Aaron Cornests, right, Yeah, yeah, he.

542
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 7: Was going to the News School because he he had

543
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 7: came back to like get he wanted to get his

544
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 7: jazz shops better, and he wanted to get this. He

545
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 7: always wanted to go back to school to get you know, hire,

546
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 7: learn or whatever. He got hired by the guy that

547
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 7: started our school. His name is slipping my mind. I

548
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 7: don't know why, but he started the New Street. He

549
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 7: passed away recently, but he would get students to play

550
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 7: a gig. Probably not hear no more about the other

551
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 7: side Start Walk Cafe or some shit like that. But

552
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 7: our gig started at two o'clock in the morning and

553
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 7: we would play from two to five. This was back

554
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 7: when Club Jazzbuk stayed open like ever you know. Yeah,

555
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 7: the only cats I would see at these ships was

556
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 7: like ironically enough was like Rod harbro Ward harborow Never

557
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 7: he would go to every game. I should always play, right,

558
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 7: But he hired me while Aaron Coolness and I forget

559
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 7: who was playing these but we we could never say

560
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 7: up to get to the gig. So we would either

561
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 7: go to a bunch of other clubs until it was

562
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 7: time for us to play, or we would.

563
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: And this is coming from Philadelphia or like your student

564
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: at the New School.

565
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 7: So I lived in Brooklyn and everybody else stayed at

566
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 7: the dorm. So I didn't like to go all the

567
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 7: way to Brooklyn, so I would just I wounded up

568
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 7: staying at the dorm at Rob's dorm because I think

569
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 7: the dude that he shared the room with was on

570
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 7: some type of MTV show MT Road Rules or some

571
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 7: shit like that. He had got accepted to do that,

572
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 7: so he was never a school he was a superstar.

573
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 7: We would just hang at rob spot, and we found

574
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 7: out that Aaron had a full blown studio at his

575
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 7: house in the basement, and we started hanging out there

576
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 7: till it was time to go do that gig. And

577
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 7: when I found out that he had that shit in there,

578
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 7: I used to go to the practice rooms at school

579
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 7: and just write blute ideas to try and record at

580
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 7: his studio. And that's where that demo came from.

581
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: As far as I know, I believe that When Will

582
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: You Call and Queen of Sanity are those actual demos.

583
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: I know that James and I replayed the drums and

584
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: the keyboards for Queen of Sanity, but that vocal take

585
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: is from that actual demo.

586
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 7: Correct, yep.

587
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Like, instantly when I hear that

588
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: first verse, like you kind of displayed a nuanced range

589
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: of singing that, especially during that time period, a lot

590
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: of R and B singing was sort of post Stevie Wonder,

591
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: like Stevie Wonder begats Charlie Wilson who begats Aaron Hall

592
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: who begats R Kelly who begats Casey? And Jojo like

593
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: this level of h oh type of pos Stevie I

594
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: call it him like R and B sto of which

595
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: you really didn't approach that And not since Prince have

596
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: I heard a primitive screamer on a record like do

597
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: it in a way that wasn't like HR from Bad

598
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Brains or like punk rock related.

599
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 5: So is anyone M two may or whoever is an authority?

600
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: Is anyone like telling you, like, hey, tone it down

601
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: a little bit, Like why don't you just sing nuanced

602
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: and discipline and leave all that crazy stuff because that's

603
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: not going to get you a hit? Like what are

604
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: people telling you during this phase before you figure out

605
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: who you really are, before your first album comes out?

606
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 7: I was always told the dumb it down, even as

607
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 7: a little kid, so I just was just like I

608
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 7: never really knew how to dumb ship down. But I

609
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 7: think around this phase it was just they were trying

610
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 7: a lot of things. It was mostly getting me to

611
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 7: learn songwriting with other people, and then it was me

612
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 7: trying to always fit what I was learning at school

613
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 7: into a modern thing, you know, because I always wanted

614
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 7: to get signed a blue note or something for single jazz,

615
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 7: because it became a discussion it's mad old people in

616
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 7: the audience like we ain't gonna never get chicks or jets.

617
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 7: It sucks, you know. And literally we used to go

618
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 7: to y'all's jam session that y'all used to deal with

619
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 7: at the Wetlands come Back, and we would see cats

620
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 7: like Kareen Riggins there, like see, now that's the jazz

621
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 7: we see. We always considered what y'all was doing as jazz,

622
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 7: so we'd be like, that's the ship, Like we need

623
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 7: to do some ship more in that kind of fucking thing,

624
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 7: but add our core changes and ship because we're just

625
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 7: gonna be dating old chicks for the rest of our lives.

626
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 7: Like we gotta be modern, like we gotta go to

627
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 7: herbiejing Cock route like you know what I mean? So right, Okay,

628
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 7: that kind of like shifted everything to where I was like,

629
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 7: we got Aaron studio less experiment.

630
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: What's the path that leads to your actual record deal,

631
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: Like how many labels did you see? How many showcases

632
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: did you have to do? How many close with no cigars?

633
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 7: I want need to get signed to Peter R. Massenbird

634
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 7: because I always felt like I didn't think he was

635
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 7: doing me on soul, but I was like, that feels

636
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 7: like we want to do And I always felt like

637
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 7: that would be a way to kind of infuse other

638
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 7: our jazz.

639
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 6: Ship, you know, modernized it a little bit, but still

640
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 6: keep it.

641
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 7: Hard, right right right, like we could fit it in.

642
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 7: And then we would start to notice like samples and

643
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 7: be like, yo, that's the actual they sampled the actual

644
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 7: album that we love, Like that's the actually jazz I

645
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 7: know that song, you know. So I always saw what

646
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 7: y'all was doing there like the gateway into like still

647
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 7: being a jazz musician in the vein of that, but

648
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 7: being more modern and kind of really like growing. And

649
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 7: then once I met y'all, I was like, I can

650
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 7: and ease things more and kind of take it to

651
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 7: a different level to where I don't even think of

652
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 7: myself as a jazz musician anymore. It's just music, you

653
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 7: know what I mean? But it was a whole catalyst

654
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 7: from going in them jam sessions at will of meanings.

655
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: All right, When I DJ, I don't look at the

656
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: audience and I think that, you know, it's like a

657
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: there's somewhat of a fear because I know that I'm

658
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: doing something different and my whole thing is like, you know,

659
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: force you to my will, to my side of the street.

660
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play with on radio, but I'm gonna

661
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: trick you into dancing to music that you might not know,

662
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make it sound good and artistic. Are

663
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: you channeled into the energy of the audience, because for me,

664
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: it's one thing to see a Blouse show when I'm

665
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: drumming with you, but it's a whole nother. I feel

666
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: like the very first time I saw a Blouse show

667
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: in terms of to see how he does in the world,

668
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: it was a teachable lesson.

669
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Speaker 5: So do you remember the run that you did?

670
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: You and music Soul Child did a series of shows together,

671
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: like in two thousand, slightly.

672
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 5: Before your album came out.

673
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: He was pretty much established by then, and for me,

674
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: I was there and I was really excited to see

675
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: how would a quasi mainstream audience take to you. I

676
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: can say this in shinsight twenty five years later, like,

677
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: much to my chagrine, they were frozen.

678
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 5: And it was so jarring to.

679
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 9: Them that, like, you know, I was trying to figure out, like, well, wait,

680
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 9: how come they didn't get the elation magic I felt

681
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 9: when I first heard his voice.

682
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: And then I started like, ah, man, people are just dumb.

683
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: They don't know what real art is and d they

684
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: just want the hits. Like I was in a mind

685
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: state of really not understanding subculture mainstream and you can't

686
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: do what I did for at least the first ten

687
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: years and really have a knowledge of the science of

688
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: it all.

689
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 6: I remember those shows on the flip side was too

690
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 6: from an artist's respective, it seemed like I don't know

691
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 6: how to say this politically correctly, so I'm just saying

692
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 6: what it felt like. It felt like music was a

693
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 6: little intimidated.

694
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I knew he respected it, but it was for me.

695
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: I was more mad that the audience didn't instantaneously have

696
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: the same reaction I did, and it made me doubt myself.

697
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 6: Like it was a shock, but still not like it

698
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 6: was bad. It was just like whoa, whoa.

699
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: With you though, And I seen like four of those

700
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: shows in a row, like during that month. Either we

701
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: were like on the same circuit or you just did

702
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of shows in LA and each show you

703
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: would get even more intense or like you didn't shie

704
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: away from it, whereas like I would have instantly chicken

705
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: shit it and brought it down like Okay, they don't

706
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: feel this, let me let me sneak this on you.

707
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: And your reaction was the exact opposite, like, oh really,

708
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: now I'm really show y'all motherfuckers was up? And so

709
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: how aware are you or can I ask sort of

710
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: in hindsight, did you have a conscious fear of rejection

711
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: and your main reaction is, well, let me triple down

712
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: on this ship and show y'all mother because you know

713
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: I was. I was Michael Jackson popcorn Jiff all day,

714
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: Like the crazy you are, the more I love it, Like,

715
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's he's this, this.

716
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 5: Is the greatest shit ever. What was in your head

717
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 5: at that time period.

718
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 7: I came from just street just being an artist, and

719
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 7: I thought, if I don't get in the applau, as

720
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 7: long as I get a shot, it's it don't matter,

721
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 7: you know, Sony.

722
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Any reaction is better than no reaction.

723
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 7: I looked at it like, oh man, they fucked up.

724
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 6: That's what it was. That's exactly what it was.

725
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 7: I was always like looked at as, oh man, this

726
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 7: ship is out. Even when I was in the choir,

727
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 7: like I would lose solos because casts would be like,

728
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 7: you know, singing the straight way. I've never sang ship

729
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 7: the straight way, so I'm used to just doing ship

730
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 7: even at church up to them where people get like

731
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 7: what the fuck and even singing jazz, I was scatting

732
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 7: more so than even singing. So I always saw that this.

733
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 6: You've always been a proud weird though, like, and I

734
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 6: love that because I.

735
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 7: Always I always looked out the audience and saw this

736
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 7: like I was like, ah, they got they get it.

737
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 10: I guess I'm misconstrued you effect when I.

738
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 7: Started thinking that was the that was the smile that

739
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 7: was on the other side.

740
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 6: Is that insulting to say you've always been a proud

741
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: weirdo to me? Like, because I'm a weirdo too in

742
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 6: a way, So it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, fuck it, like

743
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 6: you want it anyway. They just don't know what they want.

744
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just like I always liked the black sheeps

745
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 7: or the cast that was being out Like I remember

746
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 7: reading Miles Davis books and him being like, man, I

747
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 7: just got to a point I was like, fuck it,

748
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 7: not just we're doing the whole show with my ass

749
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 7: to the crowd. Fuck this ship, like you know what

750
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 7: I mean? So I guess I could get into us.

751
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 7: Sometimes I can't get into a place like fuck this

752
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 7: ship and going inside and perform.

753
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, is there a memory of a show in

754
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: which you might have felt you took it too far

755
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: that you recall.

756
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 6: And what Jack?

757
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, singing with fucking Jack.

758
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 11: Oh my god, that's a jack Jack will go. She's

759
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 11: a shop job too. So it was like almost trying

760
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 11: to see in my head. I was like, let me

761
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 11: see how far she'll go. I guess in her.

762
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 7: Mind she's like, let me see how it was like,

763
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 7: oh ship, all right?

764
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: So let me ask this question then, So, when you

765
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: know you are headed to a jam session, are you

766
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: thinking this is about to be like gladiator wartime? Like

767
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be an arm wrestling match? And who

768
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: can I outdo? Who can I?

769
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 5: Son?

770
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: Can I? There was moments where like again Michael Jackson, Popcorn, Jeff,

771
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: where it's just like what's going to happen tonight? Like no,

772
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean and shout out to all of them, especially

773
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: I remember coming home from tour, honest to God, and

774
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: you know, frightened of Fategene in Asia, like somehow they

775
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: they whooped that Toy Story band into shape in the

776
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: summer of two thousand and one, like you know, and

777
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: then it was like, oh shit, we gotta come. I

778
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with the Roots like the last

779
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: two minutes of their show, we gotta get to that

780
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: level and shit. So I was feeling the pressure. But

781
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: would you often go especially during the period between ninety

782
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: seven and two thousand and five, when black little like

783
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: these jam sessions are happening, are you thinking in terms

784
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: of like hmm, battle or just like it's how you

785
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: feel at that moment.

786
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 7: I just know wanted to get up there and make

787
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 7: it state. You know what I'm saying. I knew that,

788
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 7: Oh man, I hope I get up here tonight, like

789
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 7: I had that feeling like this.

790
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so John Legend back, I means John Stevens, not

791
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: knowing he was in the audience at for a majority

792
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: of these jam sessions. We're basically just say that you know,

793
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: whenever Black would come on, then it'd be like, uh huh,

794
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: I'll do it next week.

795
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 5: I'll come back next week.

796
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 7: I'll come back next week.

797
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: I'll come back. One of my one of my favorite

798
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: moments of yours is in Dallas where we're doing Erica's

799
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: birthday and yo, look, this is a very this is

800
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: a very old reference. But if our listeners could pause

801
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: the podcast and go to YouTube and watch Ralph Carter

802
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: aka Michael Evans of Good Times Fame sing when You're

803
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: Young and in Love at a rent party for Helen

804
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: and Helen on Town, and every line James Evans is

805
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: the audience like, that's my boy, that's you know, like

806
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: that person. Because the way that Prince would often enter

807
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: our lives, you know, by this point in his thirtieth year,

808
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: Prince knows the myth of Prince is a thing, and

809
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, he would just appeer out of nowhere, and

810
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: I knew he was there simply because I know the

811
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: size of his bodyguard. So even though you're watching silhouettes,

812
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: there's a point where you know, Prince enters the nightclub

813
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: and in my head.

814
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: I'm looking at Shames.

815
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we about to show him what's up? And

816
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking based on where Prince is sitting, I can

817
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: see the bodyguards way in.

818
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: The back and Omar just finishing it.

819
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: And I think Omar did a Little Boys Saturdays and

820
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: he did a cover of Golden Brown, and then Bloud

821
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: comes up. I knew I wanted to start with Soul

822
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Sister first and then warm him up, and then I

823
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: knew when Sometimes comes, it's gonna be on. And sure

824
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: enough we did a very nuanced Soul Sister. You know,

825
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: this isn't a bag watching. And then when we get

826
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: to Sometimes Dog, it's like Prince levitated. It was in

827
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: the front row. Now I know that game because he

828
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: did it once to another singer where this other singer

829
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: was giving a concert in his hometown and there was

830
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: very strict instructions, like you know, like no distractions, no whatever. Prince,

831
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: knowing who the fuck he is, decides I'm gonna stand

832
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: right in the wings and watch you.

833
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 5: And sure enough, you know, the singer like.

834
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: Looks to the laugh and gets paralyzed and literally freaks out,

835
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: even though you know, he goes through the song and

836
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: walks off stage screams at the staff like get rid

837
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: of him, Get rid of him, you know that sort

838
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: of thing, and I could tell, uh, this is a

839
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: flex thing.

840
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 5: But again, Bloud never.

841
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: Cowers to any He's one of the most fearless performers.

842
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 7: I know.

843
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: He just he was in the front row without the

844
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: bodyguards and belowd him back down. He just went even crazier.

845
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Do you remember that moment at all?

846
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 7: I do. I don't remember the performance, but I remember

847
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 7: coming off the stage and you coming over and sing

848
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 7: we got him and you didn't need to let him

849
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 7: come up on stage. Man, And I was like, what

850
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 7: are you talking about? And he was like, France was

851
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 7: at the front and you didn't even let him come

852
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 7: up on stage. I think he wanted to come up

853
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 7: and jam with us, and you just ignored them. Bro.

854
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 7: That was awesome, y'all. I felt like shit. I was

855
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 7: like I was. That was the one time I was

856
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 7: too doled out.

857
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 6: I know you made up for I know, y'all, y'all

858
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 6: sell each other again.

859
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 7: It was weird.

860
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: I want you to tell this version of the story,

861
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: all right, And I apologize listeners.

862
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 7: I know.

863
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a group disgusting more than it is.

864
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 6: Like it was not because Loud did so much stuff

865
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 6: after Prince died and stuff and did a lot of

866
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 6: performances and older him. So no, this makes this is good? Please,

867
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 6: I want to know.

868
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: So all right. One of my favorite moments, I believe

869
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: allows in town when the finishing touches on. Jimmy was

870
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: a rock star and star sixty nine at Electric Lady

871
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 1: for it, Common some Electric Circus album and this back

872
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: when it was just Mammoth twenty four hours, like you know,

873
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: and Steve can also attest to this. Like usually vocals,

874
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: Common would do vocals like in the day eleven am

875
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: till yeah to three or something, and then like Al

876
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: Mousey and James comes in, we'll work on some music

877
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: and then Colin thumbs up thumbs down it, and we'll

878
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: create the music at night, and then he'll work on

879
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: the song on the day right to it and all

880
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I knew that Blaal was doing his vocals,

881
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: and we decided to take a dinner break. And it's

882
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, so kind of the this is

883
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: the beginning of the nariety of everything catching on, like

884
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: we're no longer these unknown, obscure underground artists, like everyone's

885
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: going golden platinum, and with that you get invited to

886
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: industry events. So the first like major thing that we

887
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: go to is somewhere like I think the Apollo Theater

888
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: had a nightclub attached to it, and Kelly Clarkson and

889
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: what's the old boy's name with a bro justin.

890
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 7: Right.

891
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: So it was like the first year of American Idol

892
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: and those two were kind of doing like a tour.

893
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 5: I don't know what project they had.

894
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: Was justin Loves they had a movie ye, yeah, like

895
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: they were there.

896
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 5: To promote something.

897
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: And so they invited us to like come up to

898
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: the Apollo and and we went there for a bit

899
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: and then it was me Common and blau Steve.

900
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 5: What did you roll with us?

901
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 7: Then?

902
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 5: I think you were part of this.

903
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, hang out at the Apollo all the time.

904
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: It was Apollo was like it was like a club

905
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: next to it, like Club Apollo.

906
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 5: But whatever the case was.

907
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: This was also the period in which Prince was indeed

908
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: deep and it's Jehovah's witness phase and and that's the

909
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Prince that I'd like to avoid because he would do

910
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: nothing but preach at you for hours. And so someone

911
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: comes up and says, oh, Prince is on his way

912
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: there and that was literally like our check please moment.

913
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd run away from my idol the

914
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: way we did. Like we are like, hey, let's get

915
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: out here because he's just going to keep us here

916
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: all night and talk about God. So let's go.

917
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 5: So we snuck out.

918
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: We snuck out, the bat got back to Electric Lady

919
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: Studios to start mixing Jimmy was a rock Star and

920
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: then the phone rings.

921
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 5: Brand new receptionist.

922
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: Says, Amir, there's someone named Prince asking for Prince and

923
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: I was like, what someone from named Prince asking for Prince?

924
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: And I pick up the phone and he says hello,

925
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hello, this is Prince. I said, huh,

926
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to Prince. I said, a mere meets Prince.

927
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: So he would always do that game with me, and

928
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: he's like, how long will you guys be down there?

929
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like trying to think of a lie, but

930
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, he makes me. We're yeah. But we were

931
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: mixing the song, so I was like, yeah, we're here

932
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: all night, meet me sure.

933
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 5: So Prince shows.

934
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: Up, did he knock?

935
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, a puffa smoke.

936
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: He shows up at two thirty of the morning, and

937
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: we're mixing Jimmy was a rock Star was a very

938
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: very intricate song, and we play it for him and

939
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: his mind is blown, Like he gives us all the

940
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: praise and like, wow, he really likes it. And by

941
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: the way, Prince is on Star sixty nine. He's playing

942
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: keyboards all over it. So him in Common like had

943
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: a really good relationship. Anyway, it's a point where he's like,

944
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you guys, and it's like

945
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: it's a fourth person and it's not Erica and it's

946
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: not Steve Rush.

947
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 5: Maybe it was glassper It was a fourth person with us.

948
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: But the only way I could describe it is if

949
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: you google the album cover to the who's the kids?

950
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: All right? You know they're all sleeping like on each

951
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: other's shoulders. It became a religious battle, and all I

952
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: remember was like Blow was basically going toe to toe

953
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: with Prince.

954
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 12: Oh Christianity, dude, me Common and whoever the third person

955
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 12: is just sitting on the floor sleep on each other's shoulders.

956
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 6: Good for you, Good for you?

957
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 7: Remember that?

958
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: And I just wake up occasionally and bloud prints are

959
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: just do you remember battling him at all? Like just

960
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: with theology, Like it was a two hour comed was just.

961
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 7: He was saying, uh, he had different takes on versus

962
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 7: from the Bible, and I think I was just trying

963
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 7: to relate to him and I was like, oh you know,

964
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 7: oh that's in the Qur'an too, And I was trying

965
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 7: to have a conversation with him, but I don't think

966
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 7: it was working out.

967
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 10: I just remember you going behind. You kept going behind

968
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 10: and been going stop and I was like, I'm trying

969
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 10: to stop. If he had a question, oh yeah, well

970
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 10: what about this? And I would just be like, ah.

971
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 6: That was a long time before he passed. So like

972
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 6: y'all kept seeing each other throughout the years. I mean

973
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 6: the meror I know y'all did y'all have a whole relationship,

974
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 6: But what about you and Frience? Like how did that

975
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 6: that one conversation kind of evolved or did it?

976
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 7: No? It was just like a he evolved into. I

977
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 7: think the way I broke out of it was I

978
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 7: started asking him about his shoes because he had on

979
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 7: dope ass white shoes that the zipper was diamonds Like,

980
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 7: the zipper was full on dim It looked like a

981
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 7: diamond ring, but it was the zipper was made out

982
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 7: of diamonds. So I just started talking to him about that.

983
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: Sounds like a very religious man him.

984
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 7: His boots. And then then we kind of like skip

985
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 7: skipped everything. Yeah, I think what stopped? Did D'Angelo come

986
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 7: in or something? No, something happened.

987
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: Well, well no, I said, basically like Russell, because we

988
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: were mixing Jimmy on forty eight tracks and it was

989
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: very old school. Of course, now twenty five years later,

990
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: you can do everything on your computer. Things are remembered.

991
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: But if you're working on like an old school SSL board,

992
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Steve has to it'll take him like

993
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: three hours to notate everything that we did on the mix.

994
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: Like you just can't go to the studio and be

995
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: like they put my song up, like Steve, we'll have

996
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: to take you know, an hour to two hours of

997
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: readjusting all mix. It's called it's called recalling a mix.

998
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, you're absolutely correct.

999
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 6: Fantasy. And my whole like thought of Prince being like, oh,

1000
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 6: but you you the next I can see and said.

1001
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 7: Well he said, yo, you're the black Bet. You remind

1002
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 7: me of Bet. And I was like that, don't meet

1003
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 7: your hair and I was like, don't be I was like,

1004
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 7: Beck like you gotta. He's like, you got a little bit.

1005
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 7: You could go wop if you want to. You could

1006
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 7: bring that sensibility into your stay away from guess. But

1007
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 7: I was like totally like that. He was like, you

1008
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 7: know your you mean? But I was like, I don't.

1009
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: Look man begs my boy. I respect that he calmed down.

1010
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: He calmed down, like as with most people, and maybe

1011
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: this will happened to me too, like after you do

1012
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: like seven years of your spirituality phase or your religious phase,

1013
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: urs back into your regular self.

1014
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 5: Sown two thousand and seventy calmed down a lot.

1015
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: But I do remember saying, like, yo, we gotta wrap

1016
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: this mix up. When he left, it was like five

1017
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, and you're not really supposed to

1018
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: mix when you're tired. So kind of the the radical

1019
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: drawing way that song sounds to me is sort of

1020
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: indicative of the night we had to endure of that

1021
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: two and a half hour preaching that that that's ceremony

1022
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. So what were your expectations with firstborn second one?

1023
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: Why did you name it firstborn second and did you

1024
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: have expectations for it?

1025
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 7: I named it firstborn second that was my second name.

1026
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 7: I was just trying to do like a weird name.

1027
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 7: So I think it was called uh hot class of

1028
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 7: or a cold glass of hell fire and change Haiti.

1029
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 7: So I was like, I want something this kind of

1030
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 7: double line condre or whatever. I don't even think that's

1031
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 7: what it was. I was just like, I want to

1032
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 7: be out and he's like, that don't even make sense.

1033
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 7: So I was I'm my mom's second child, so I

1034
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 7: was like, this is my first album, second job, got it.

1035
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 7: He was like, that's weird. But alright, you know, was.

1036
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 5: The title track biographical the closing.

1037
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 7: Song, No, yeah, it was just some wild shit. It

1038
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 7: wasn't order biography. It was writing something wild, something strange.

1039
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 7: I guess he always had like a rock wildness to

1040
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 7: our ship.

1041
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: Right, this is where become professional. I'm totally skipping the

1042
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: sometimes story because I don't think I could tell that

1043
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: story better than I told it at the Glasshouse Live

1044
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: the Glasshouse album.

1045
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 7: But you did a good job.

1046
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 6: You left something out though, because I did hear you

1047
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 6: tell the story, because I don't want you to skip

1048
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 6: this sometimes just in the sense of like since we

1049
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 6: talked about it. No, no, you didn't skip nothing in

1050
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 6: the sense of how it came together. However, y'all did

1051
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 6: skip on the sense of like how this is the

1052
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 6: most beloved Blouse song and like it never became a

1053
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 6: single off that album, and why that was a thing.

1054
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 7: It was almost a single. It was almost as it

1055
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 7: was like the last shot. They wanted to make it

1056
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 7: a single for starting on a new album. I think

1057
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 7: it was yes, met she Stout wanted to do a

1058
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 7: video and he was like, this is the we needed

1059
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 7: to do on this, But I think he picked.

1060
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 6: Fast Lading but loud. I remember being a radio and

1061
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 6: I was like, this is really because of doctor Dress.

1062
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 1: Stout went on record to say on this podcast that

1063
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: he really regrets kind of how the ball got dropped

1064
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: with you, because you know, he felt that you were

1065
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: that supernova figure that really you know, and I hate

1066
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: that whole could have been a contenter talk because you know,

1067
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: for a lot of artists that do get to the mountaintop,

1068
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: we see what happens to them. From my perspective, when

1069
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: when I did this record, I wanted to be a

1070
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: part of the filler cuts because I feel that the

1071
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: mark of a great artist like Stevie Wonder, like Prince.

1072
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't like the singles like Prince Singles, Delirious, Let's

1073
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: go Crazy.

1074
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna listen to Dorothy Parker, Like.

1075
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 6: For me, great tradition, Why does singles? I gotta be

1076
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 6: that way Like I've been I've been screaming this to

1077
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 6: you for years about these singles, like.

1078
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: I just don't pick the It was hardcore, but I

1079
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: feel like the margaret artist is who has the best

1080
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: feller like and to me, a lot of our favorite

1081
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: songs on this record are the outcuts.

1082
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 6: The radio songs were fast Lane, Soul Sister, and Love

1083
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 6: Love It. But we was on Queen of Sanity sometimes

1084
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 6: when would you talk.

1085
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: Like because you're a different mind state, Like I was working.

1086
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 6: Urban radio at the time, and I was like, y'all

1087
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 6: are not listening to the women. All the men are

1088
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 6: making songs. I'm making these decisions about the doctor.

1089
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 5: Dre had something to do with it.

1090
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm saying that was Interscope Records. Like I that's

1091
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 7: why I wanted to be signed to UH. Initially I

1092
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 7: wanted to be signed to Kadar because I wanted the

1093
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 7: core of the album was songs like this and then

1094
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 7: the singles we did after everything was done, you know,

1095
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 7: I was happy to work with Drado, you know, so

1096
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 7: I didn't really have no complaints us doctor.

1097
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: What was all right?

1098
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 5: So can you describe that process? Like how do you

1099
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 5: meet doctor Dre, how do you work with him?

1100
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 7: Like?

1101
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: What was it?

1102
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 5: Like?

1103
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 7: It was polarizing, Like, uh, one minute we just in

1104
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 7: Jimmy's offices and the next day we're riding up to

1105
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 7: like this place don't even look like a studio though,

1106
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 7: and just like some geek but it was back and

1107
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 7: it's like all these dope bass cars. We go in there,

1108
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 7: and that was the first time I saw that maybe

1109
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 7: speakers in the studio and it was like six speakers,

1110
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 7: like six up, like it was like three at the top,

1111
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 7: three wolfers at the bottom. And then he had to

1112
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 7: I've never seen anybody turn the console all the way

1113
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 7: up to eleven, and he turned it all the way

1114
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 7: up playing I think fascinating was the first joint he did.

1115
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 7: And it was the loudest shit I've ever heard in

1116
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 7: my life. But it's nothing that broke, nothing in the

1117
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 7: speaker's crackle. It was amazing, but it was painful at

1118
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 7: the same time. That was when I noticed he was

1119
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,480
Speaker 7: the only one in the studio that didn't have earbudd

1120
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 7: and here everybody that was working there had it like

1121
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 7: they knew what was up. But I didn't want to

1122
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 7: tell him to turn it down? Was that doctor Drake?

1123
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 7: So might he has to? Because that was the loudest

1124
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 7: shit I've heard about, Like it was stadium loud but

1125
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 7: in a small room.

1126
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 2: Soon we're going to have a hearing age by Drake.

1127
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: So I will get murdered if I do not ask

1128
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: this question. Can you tell us where in the hell

1129
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: is the Love for Sale album? This is probably of

1130
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: all Soul Quarium related projects, not related to is this

1131
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: the year that makes a record your fan base? I

1132
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: almost feel like you should never release Love for Sale

1133
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: or whatever, because it's like the legend of.

1134
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 5: It is.

1135
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: More than what it will equal. But what is What

1136
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: is the story of Love for Sale? Just never coming.

1137
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 13: Out tied up in a bunch of shit with Inner

1138
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 13: School and Loyol and change Past and go moved past,

1139
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 13: And that was their label. So it got shifted over

1140
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 13: to Faulu, who's the brother.

1141
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 7: And for a long time I had I didn't even

1142
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 7: know where the files were, but I think Fad as

1143
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 7: the files now, so right now he might have got

1144
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 7: we might have gotten we might have gotten the files

1145
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 7: from after movecast. He got his hands on it or something.

1146
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 7: But I know file has the files.

1147
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 6: I got his fingers on a lot of things because

1148
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, those two past all that.

1149
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 7: History, but the inner schoope, I think in school booms.

1150
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 7: But we had the files, we have the mix because

1151
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:30,839
Speaker 7: everything was mixed.

1152
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: Do you have a desire to see you through or

1153
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: release it?

1154
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 7: Or I did at one time, but they're not. Just

1155
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 7: every time I put my mind into wanting to release it,

1156
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 7: it just kind of like doesn't work out. I was

1157
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 7: trying to get it. He had came up to try

1158
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 7: and release it again. I remember I was talking to

1159
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 7: Naim from Universal and there he said that there was

1160
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 7: me an interest, but I'm just on this thing where

1161
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 7: it happened, and it happened, you know, it was already

1162
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 7: a lot of people claiming it and having claims to

1163
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 7: it anyway, so right, not just fucking while It was

1164
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 7: so funny because while I was doing this ship, the

1165
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 7: people that want to hold on to it didn't like it.

1166
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard it. So I was going

1167
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: to say, what direction was it that made it so jarring?

1168
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: Like people know what they're getting when they get with you, correct,

1169
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: I would think, But.

1170
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 7: I mean around the time that I started doing it,

1171
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 7: I was kind of full on, like that was pile

1172
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 7: and spas I was in. I was heavy and drinking,

1173
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 7: you know, just I wasn't the easiest to kind of

1174
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 7: work with. So I think that kind of lent itself

1175
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 7: to what where it happened and WHYTT never went out.

1176
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 7: And then towards the end, I just went on strikers

1177
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 7: showing up to make wait, year is this yan.

1178
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: Jude two thousand and three, two thousand and three, I

1179
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I just doing this last run of Detroit.

1180
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: I did in the summer, to my pleasant surprise, heard

1181
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: like five to six other j Dilla collapsed that I

1182
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: didn't realize that you did, like.

1183
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 7: Because Dyla was going to They had agreed to let

1184
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 7: me produce half and then let Dyla produce the other half.

1185
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 7: But then Dyla started getting sick. I was going out

1186
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 7: there to the Detroit. He was working happy. That's what Duke.

1187
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 7: That was my vision for the record to have Bylla

1188
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 7: like executive produced, but just let me get get my

1189
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 7: get my ship off and then him come in and

1190
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 7: kind of like dollar, because I was like, I've led

1191
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 7: Dylar dollar back because it'll still be a little bit out.

1192
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 7: And then he had brought James and so I was like,

1193
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 7: it's in good hands. But then he had started to

1194
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 7: get sick, so that kind of threw me into a loop,

1195
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 7: and I started drinking more, just upset and shit and

1196
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 7: then just arguing with everybody about it and just trying

1197
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 7: to keep the vision of what I wanted alive, but

1198
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 7: like not knowing how to finish his tubes, you know,

1199
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 7: and Dyla has started making some out shit for me

1200
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 7: to do, Like he did this one track. I just

1201
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 7: didn't even know how to put it together because it was.

1202
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: So out I know exactly what about.

1203
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 7: I was like, he's the only one that can fucking

1204
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 7: help me. What am I going to do?

1205
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I didn't know whether he programmed it in

1206
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: his NBC and I didn't know where the one was.

1207
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 14: And he would be like, Yo, you can't understand this

1208
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 14: is quite here and you would have to be in

1209
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 14: the book, like and what And I'm like God, So

1210
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 14: like when he passed, I was like, that's it.

1211
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 7: I'm lost. Fun. I hear that date to this day

1212
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 7: because randomly I don't know who played me.

1213
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: I found that beat, and to this day, I don't

1214
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: know where the one is and I'm the king of

1215
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: be rating someone for not knowing where the one is.

1216
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 5: And yeah, so for you now.

1217
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: And I guess that this could also tie into I

1218
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: love surreal and also air tight and in another life

1219
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: like this period especially you kind of leaving them two

1220
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: maate organization and whatnot, and like how do you how

1221
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: do did you manage to kind of on your own

1222
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: figure out how to navigate with you kind of at

1223
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: the driver's seat, whereas you would have a team in

1224
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: management and people to make decisions for you. But as

1225
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: an indie artist, like what were your basic plans like

1226
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: in terms of getting your art out there?

1227
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 7: I didn't really have a plan. I had went just

1228
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 7: for a long time after that album got bootleg, and

1229
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 7: I didn't have a plan. It was just hanging out

1230
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 7: at my girl's house, making shit up on the roget

1231
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 7: not really knowing what was going on, like syn to

1232
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 7: if I was still signed, if I wasn't. If I

1233
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 7: wasn't signed, you know, if I was able to kind

1234
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 7: of get a record deal people that I would. I

1235
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 7: had fell out of contact with the Jumys, So I

1236
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 7: didn't know what the hell was going on. And my

1237
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 7: boy Steve McKee, he was fielding the studio in Philly,

1238
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 7: so I just I started going there because he knew

1239
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 7: like whenever we would do shows, I would just be

1240
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 7: in my hotel room making beats on my garage band. Right,

1241
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 7: So he was like, I got the studio, played me

1242
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 7: the shit that you've been doing on your garage gand

1243
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 7: and I played him with shit and that turned into

1244
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 7: every Tice revenge. But I was just making sh up

1245
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 7: on my computer, just waiting around to know when we

1246
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 7: could get back in and then you know, to deal

1247
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 7: all that shit fill the parcel. I was kind of

1248
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 7: like self conscious, but I can go into my head

1249
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 7: and just entertain myself at any point. So like that's

1250
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 7: what I just did, you know. And then from doing that,

1251
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 7: I started hanging out and I became friends with Cyro

1252
01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 7: Creative partners working on their stuff, and Feet was introduced

1253
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 7: me to Andrew Maharo, who works with Adrian Young now,

1254
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 7: but he's had this small label that he was putting

1255
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 7: Shot Feat's records out and Shot Feet. I was like, man,

1256
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 7: your ship is funky, but it's Electronic and they're letting

1257
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 7: you do whatever you want. And we just hanging out

1258
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 7: with Flying Lotus and just that whole crew. I was like,

1259
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 7: y'all remind me of the New York Crew, but I'll

1260
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 7: here in LA and Plug Research cast was like, we's

1261
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 7: sign what you doing? And you know, I had this

1262
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 7: ship that I was you know, shit, I was just

1263
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 7: working out on at Steve's studio and they dug it,

1264
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 7: you know. So I was like, I don't know if

1265
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 7: I'm still signed. I don't know if I put ship

1266
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 7: out of whatever. Fuck it, Let's get sued so we

1267
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 7: could find out where I'm at.

1268
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 5: So what happened, like business plans.

1269
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 7: Well, nothing happened, you know, nothing happened. So it was like, oh,

1270
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 7: let's got going.

1271
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: So for a lot of people, especially gen Z and

1272
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: Jen Alpha, they got the new ones. Hud Alpha's Jen Alpha.

1273
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: You gotta start back after gen Z, you gotta start

1274
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: to the letter. Ay, yeah, the new ones. Your work

1275
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: with Kensick Lamar is kind of their introduction or your

1276
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: your reintroduction. How deep involved were you with the Pimple Butterfly, Like,

1277
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: were you guys as always? Was it like a second

1278
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: coming up? So aquariums where you're just always on standby,

1279
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: or were you there to just specifically work for one song.

1280
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just came to the first I did like

1281
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 7: a few sessions, but I came in at the last

1282
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 7: half of the record, like they are already butt Ler

1283
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 7: Roy had already wrote the chorus for that song these Walls.

1284
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 7: I just came in to do that and I kind

1285
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 7: of recorded it so fast that Keintrick was like, oh, well,

1286
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 7: throw this up, put this up, put this up. Let

1287
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 7: me see what you can do. And it kind of

1288
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 7: just turned into that.

1289
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: And uh, was he familiar with you or was it

1290
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: just like ar boys things like how much did he

1291
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: know about you?

1292
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 7: No, he had wanted me to be on the first album,

1293
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 7: but I don't know what happened. It didn't work out

1294
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 7: in time, And so we had always said that we

1295
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 7: wanted because he's cool with the whole SOB creative partners, right,

1296
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 7: So I knew from then and then Fly Low and

1297
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 7: of course Thundercat so and Kerris Martin like those are

1298
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 7: all my cats. I've known him for years.

1299
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 6: So did they recognize you in a way of like, yo,

1300
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 6: so I can blow And that's because you're older A

1301
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 6: couple of years older than these folks, right, not wrong,

1302
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 6: talk about uh Ken drum about to Leroy.

1303
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 7: Ironically they thought I was their age. I don't know.

1304
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: When you're youngest, like even now, like you look the

1305
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: same way you did. Mine's the dreadlocks like this, this

1306
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: is like talking to you back in the day.

1307
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 6: So and being a weirdo will keep you fresh and

1308
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 6: open a new thing. So that keeps you young.

1309
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 7: Too, Yeah, I guess so.

1310
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: So now now that you're in a space where like

1311
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: your your level of artistry and I'm talking about like

1312
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: even the stuff that's happened in Australia right now, like

1313
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: with like uh you know, like Hiatus Coyote and you know,

1314
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: like do you now feel as though the world has

1315
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: caught up to you and you're able to like for

1316
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: you you where is your market at? Like who what

1317
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: marketplace embraces you the most?

1318
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:07,759
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1319
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:15,480
Speaker 1: You're a pure artist, like and I think it's important.

1320
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 7: To every tour, every tour, different audience shows up.

1321
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 6: It's we like we just know that's a blessing.

1322
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 7: We still get the cats that show up that I

1323
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 7: want to hear the the first album and more and

1324
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 7: more like cats than what a year the newer stuff,

1325
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 7: and they don't necessarily look like the first album audience

1326
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 7: per se, you know, so it's kind of a mix.

1327
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,919
Speaker 7: I never know. If I knew, I would be probably

1328
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 7: further along.

1329
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: Kimber told me that, well, the way that radio is

1330
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,799
Speaker 1: in Australia, like the way that your radio show was Laya,

1331
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: that is actually mainstream radio in Australia, which really explains well, yeah,

1332
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: but the thing is is like over in Australia you

1333
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: can still hear Balal and then they'll put on Sabrina

1334
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Carpenter and then they'll put on Charlie xx and then

1335
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: they'll put on Hiatu's kind of right, which is I mean, shit,

1336
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: we're doing our New Year's Christmas shit over there in

1337
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: very big venues because Australia hasn't fallen under the way

1338
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: of like where Clear Channel takes over radio and segregates

1339
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: it and makes you a niche artist. For you now though,

1340
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: especially with the Just Brightness project, do you feel like

1341
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: people are slowly now coming around after having you know,

1342
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: been on this journey for twenty five years.

1343
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, people are has happened where you know. It's the

1344
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 7: thing that I'm doing is starting to settle. I feel

1345
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 7: that a little yeah, And I've been a little bit

1346
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 7: of getting a little bit more grounding on the on

1347
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 7: the business side too. So you know, for a long time,

1348
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 7: I didn't really give a shit about the business ship.

1349
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 7: I just wanted to make enough money to smoke leed

1350
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 7: and you know they rent. Then you had kids, so

1351
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 7: a lot of ship changed. I got kids, like you know.

1352
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,839
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, you got children.

1353
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 7: My approaches.

1354
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: You've done so much work with so many other people.

1355
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you about like some of our favorites.

1356
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: One of the last complete albums of a hip hop

1357
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: group that I totally love was Hell Half the Fury,

1358
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: and I didn't look on the credits to know that

1359
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you were singing on Nightmares a Sergey voice, Like, wait

1360
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: a minute, that's how did you hook up with the

1361
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: clips for Hell Have No Fury?

1362
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 7: I was down there working on my record they Want

1363
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 7: with the Neptunes. Yeah, I went through this. I went

1364
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 7: through had me working with everybody. So it was why

1365
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 7: after he did the record for Justin Timberley, you know,

1366
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 7: he was doing it just banger after banger, and so

1367
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 7: every time I would get into a room with with

1368
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 7: with cats on that well.

1369
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 1: Talk about your working relationship with Beyonce.

1370
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 6: And the Fight in Temptations collaborations at all.

1371
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 7: Oh, that was dope. I think she she she asked

1372
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 7: for me to be a part of that, so that

1373
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 7: was dope. I didn't even I think they had in

1374
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 7: mind it to be something else, but she she like

1375
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 7: specifically has for me to join that joint, which is dope.

1376
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 7: You know. Yeah, I think I always thought she was

1377
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 7: ill and just such a student of the music, you know.

1378
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 6: I mean, y'all that in the studio together. We all

1379
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 6: recorded it together.

1380
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was there with with Jimmy jam

1381
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 7: and Cherry Lewis. They wrote the song, so we we

1382
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 7: all was in the studio working on it. That was

1383
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 7: a learning experience too, because they are very like particular

1384
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 7: about what they want, very particular. And I'm like, I

1385
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 7: half the time don't know what I'm doing. I like

1386
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 7: to make what I call beautiful mistakes, and they're like, no,

1387
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 7: you gotta do it, like yeah, you gotta do it

1388
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 7: like this or you know. And every time they would

1389
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 7: tell me to do something, I would do it different,

1390
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 7: like I wouldn't even know what I'm doing, you know.

1391
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 7: They're like, dude, that again. I'm like, I don't know

1392
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 7: you did you record it? I hear it?

1393
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: What was one of the hardest sessions you have to do?

1394
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 7: That was probably one of the hardest sessions because Beyonce

1395
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 7: is like a professional in the studio. She just she's

1396
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 7: got her Her studio technique is ill, you know what

1397
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 7: I mean. She can knock shout out nose all right,

1398
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 7: put this on through this double it, you know. And

1399
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 7: I was just in there, like I said, making beautiful mistakes.

1400
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 7: So everybody was just.

1401
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: Like, didn't Jermaine to pre produce you on Jay's Falling?

1402
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 15: Yep?

1403
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, how did that come to be?

1404
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: That was an American gangster?

1405
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1406
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 7: That was a random phone call and it was like, hello,

1407
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 7: is this allowed Jay Z would like for you to

1408
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 7: come to the studio and this is the address, and

1409
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 7: then randomly I showed her. I got there. It's like

1410
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 7: some random building. You go up and kay Z and

1411
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 7: Beyonce was in the studio waiting for me, like hello.

1412
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 7: I was like, what it's like being summoned by the

1413
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 7: president or something.

1414
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 6: Put the bug in his eir.

1415
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, maybe, but when I got there,

1416
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 7: he knew everything. He wanted me to do. He was

1417
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 7: kind of he knew what he was looking for me

1418
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 7: to do. I was like, man, I didn't even know

1419
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 7: you knew about my ship like that, But wait a.

1420
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: Minute, didn't Did I not use you once for any

1421
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: of those Jay Giggs? Yeah, I was about to say,

1422
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I think he came aboard for Carnegie Hall, but I

1423
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: think this was before that. Okay, okay, it was Carnekie.

1424
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 7: The Carnegie Hall thing happened after that.

1425
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: But I definitely remember he asked for you. You know,

1426
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 1: I know for the fact that those two were big

1427
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: expearens of yours. Did you have any clue whatsoever? But

1428
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: at the time, when you're recording Master Teacher with its

1429
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: infamous hook, I stay woke. Did you have any idea

1430
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: about how you singing that hook would wind up almost

1431
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: being like kind of the zeitgeist of where we are

1432
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: right now politically?

1433
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 7: Nah, that was.

1434
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: Like talking about Master Teacher because it's one of my

1435
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: favorite songs on New America, but it also it's just

1436
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: such a beautiful mess of a song, like I don't

1437
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: know where the hook starts. I don't know. Georgia Georgia

1438
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: had Matt, Yeah, what does she like to work with

1439
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: because I was such a fan of herse but I've

1440
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: never really got to chop it up in a way

1441
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: that I wanted to.

1442
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 5: I've never got to watch her make beats or anything.

1443
01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:02,480
Speaker 7: She is a genius. Georgia is a genius, incredible, incredible musician.

1444
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:12,560
Speaker 15: And nasty beat maker. Like wow, yes she's dirty, like

1445
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 15: so working with hers dope.

1446
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 7: You know, she went to the New School.

1447
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 5: What year did you first go there?

1448
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 7: Ninety I went there from ninety seven to like ninety

1449
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 7: like the end of ninety eight.

1450
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: So the weird thing is that had I did what

1451
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: my dad wanted me to do, I would have been

1452
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: a senior because you know, I took years off to

1453
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: I called myself paying for the Roots Demo. My dad

1454
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: thought I was saving up for college. Really I was

1455
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: saving up for the Roots Demo. So you know, by

1456
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: ninety four, I was like, all right, I gotta get

1457
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: into a college. Like I let four years go by.

1458
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 1: So I'm either it was cheaper to go to the

1459
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: New School than it was the Juilliard. So if there

1460
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: wasn't a record deal in my future, I would have

1461
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: probably started going to the New School from ninety three

1462
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: to ninety seven. So somehow our our paths would a

1463
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: quasi crossed for sure had I done that? But who

1464
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: else was there besides you and glaspar Was Chris there

1465
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: as well?

1466
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 7: Or no, Chris wasn't there? Cedric Mitchell was there, Kean

1467
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 7: Harrold Marcus and E. J. Strickland brothers saxophone cat they

1468
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 7: was there?

1469
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 5: Is this under Ellie Howe's tutelage.

1470
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 7: Yep, okay, y know, shout out Ksey Benjamin, it's there, rust.

1471
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 5: Pe Case Benjamin.

1472
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 6: I wonder y'all are So?

1473
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Were they all as advanced as now?

1474
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 5: Or is it just like mm hmm? Was it intimidating?

1475
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 7: I wasn't intimidating. I was. It was just right back

1476
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 7: to high school though, Like I always felt like as

1477
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 7: the singer, just trying to prove myself to be around

1478
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 7: the bad cats, you know what I mean? Like, oh

1479
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 7: you know, hey, what about that suspended forth? Huhuh?

1480
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 5: You got their respect?

1481
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 7: Oh yeah? Well yeah, because Rob was the first one

1482
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 7: to be like this shit is dope. He's dope, y'all,

1483
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 7: you know. But he his mother was a vocalist, so

1484
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 7: he kind of like warmed them up to me. But

1485
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 7: I was kind of the weird though, because I really

1486
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 7: didn't fit in with the singers either, because I was

1487
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 7: I'm still had PTSD from high school. So I came

1488
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:54,959
Speaker 7: to jazz school just scatting, nothing but scatting.

1489
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: Like, So, how confident were you in your scatting skills?

1490
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 5: Like did you first adapt to.

1491
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 7: I was mad by then. I was mad confident because

1492
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 7: I started to learn all the store like I had

1493
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 7: learned all Lee Morgan solos. I learned all fucking Miles Davis's.

1494
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 7: So what I remember I had? I had them on memory, like.

1495
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I didn't know he was the outcasts.

1496
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 7: That was my way, that was my way in. I

1497
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 7: had to like I had to like go to the

1498
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 7: jam sessions and just battle trade trade bars with these cats.

1499
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 7: And I had learned changes by then, So I was

1500
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 7: I was cutting some of them cats back then.

1501
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 5: So did you?

1502
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Of course I couldn't now, but so, but did you

1503
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: have to like did you subscribe to the John Hendricks

1504
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Vocalist House?

1505
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 5: Wait, you knew Hendricks?

1506
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was.

1507
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: I had tried to talk about that.

1508
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 5: Y'allknew each other.

1509
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I try right out for the Manhattan transfer in

1510
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 7: college and me and me and Rob used to go

1511
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 7: over to John Hendrick's house and jam with him. Oh

1512
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,759
Speaker 7: my god, he used to cut both me and Rob

1513
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 7: whistling and I would be in there scatting all my

1514
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 7: scatting shit and he would just whistle some of the

1515
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 7: baddest shit. But yeah, that would go over his house

1516
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 7: and do duo all the time. That was a cool

1517
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 7: thing about the News School because they could get in

1518
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 7: contact with whoever they knew if they had it in

1519
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 7: the rollo decks, and then they would just ask them

1520
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 7: right out. You know, we got a young cat that

1521
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:43,440
Speaker 7: just wants to chill with I was like, John Hendricks,

1522
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 7: what all right?

1523
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,480
Speaker 1: So for our listeners, let me explain for our listeners.

1524
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: In the jazz world, there's a thing called technical vocalist,

1525
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: which is basically it's kind of version of we invented

1526
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: the remix where they were taking established If a song

1527
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: becomes an established standards and it was just traditionally jazz,

1528
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: then a figure like Eddie Jefferson or John Hendricks or

1529
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: his other group Lambert Hendricks and Ross. Yeah, they would

1530
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: add lyrics to these songs. But the thing was you

1531
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: had to be faithful to the definitive solo. So for

1532
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: a great example, listen to John Hendricks Freddy Freeloader with

1533
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: Bobby McFerrin, Aljiou, George Benson and John Hendricks, in which the.

1534
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 5: Four of them note for note nail.

1535
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: Miles Adderley's like all the solos on the original, and

1536
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: I just to me, it just seems so intimidating one

1537
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: to study a solo, but then to memorize it. So

1538
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: like as a singer, am I able to put like

1539
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: a fake book in front of you? Fake book is

1540
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: a jazz bible. To put a fake book in front

1541
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: of you and you instantly read the note to notate

1542
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: and know exactly where to go, or do you have

1543
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 1: a listen and study the song?

1544
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 7: And back then I could now no. Ever since I

1545
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 7: got signed, I fucking forgot everything but.

1546
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 5: Back then, and I'm glad you did.

1547
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 7: Back then, I played enough piano. I was on All

1548
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 7: City Jazz band as piano in Philly. What they had

1549
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 7: they had beaten, beat me over the head to the

1550
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 7: point where I was reading charts in the big band.

1551
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:39,520
Speaker 7: I forgot all that shit though. But yeah, in college,

1552
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 7: I didn't want to study with none of the vocalists,

1553
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 7: so I studied with Reggie Workman, the bass player for

1554
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 7: for training. I studied Reggie Reggie Workman, and I studied

1555
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 7: with his guitar player, uh arm and arming the Danilian.

1556
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 7: But he's like a jazz virtuo so guitar player, but

1557
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 7: his whole shit was, man, you gotta ear like him.

1558
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 7: And Reggie would always say, you gotta ear like a musician,

1559
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 7: so you should lean into that, like just hearing things

1560
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 7: as a musician. And from then on, like I, they

1561
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 7: had me buying saxophone concerto books and learning the concerto

1562
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 7: the saxophone concertos, and then Arman introduced me to Robbie

1563
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 7: Shankar's music, and then we just started learning all of

1564
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 7: the Middle Eastern scales and all of that. And by

1565
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 7: then I was just on a whole nother level as

1566
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 7: far as just hearing shit and scatting to where the

1567
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 7: cast I was hanging with. They saw me as a

1568
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 7: musician right when that around, I would say like yeah,

1569
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 7: by the time I got to college, like I wasn't

1570
01:37:55,320 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 7: intimidated by that anybody, no more, especially a musician like

1571
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 7: I was just I heard just like a musician, like

1572
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 7: I heard everything.

1573
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: Now I believe that you are the last anointed vocalist,

1574
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: just in terms of the Masters of the sixties who

1575
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: wrote the blueprint, like you're you're naming people whom like

1576
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 1: you know I find in Dyla's record collection.

1577
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 6: In terms of sampling, he said he tried off with

1578
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 6: a Manhattan Transfer, is what he said. You said he

1579
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 6: tried off with a Manhattan Transfer. That's what he said.

1580
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 1: Is there a project that you long to do that

1581
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: you haven't done yet? Like Manhattan Transfer type groups like uh,

1582
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: the boy the their their counterpart group voices.

1583
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 5: I forget no, no, no, not.

1584
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 7: Them, not like Take six or.

1585
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that, but there's there's another group that

1586
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm forgetting.

1587
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 6: Right now and transfer don't talk about.

1588
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 5: That's what I'm do.

1589
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: You have a desire to ever put a vocal group

1590
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: together to try some ship out or hm hmmm. See

1591
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: he lives in the present. You didn't think about that

1592
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: once in your thirty year a journey.

1593
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,719
Speaker 7: Did you? No? No, I did it one time with Erica,

1594
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 7: just on like a skit. We was playing around and

1595
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 7: in electric lead, and we did it sometimes I'm happy

1596
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 7: by king pleasure, okay, And we did sometimes in that

1597
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 7: bame and we wrote out the harmonies and did it.

1598
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 7: But I never thought that would be cool. Though. I

1599
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 7: was seriously a jazz hit before I got signed, Like

1600
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 7: I got talked into like doing R and B and

1601
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 7: ship from like the two and to make brothers Like

1602
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 7: I was really wanted to be like Kirk Elling or

1603
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 7: some ship. Steve, guess what time it is going to

1604
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 7: be kir Elling a record project?

1605
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Jam my time?

1606
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we always say this twenty twenty five,

1607
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: A real project, twenty twenty.

1608
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 6: Five black, real black projects.

1609
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 5: Yes, I want to do that.

1610
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 6: What is so great about working with Robert glassper Did

1611
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 6: y'all work together?

1612
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 7: Say?

1613
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 5: We never mentioned Glass properly?

1614
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 6: Yes? Please tell me about this this working relationship that

1615
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 6: you guys have and why it just works well.

1616
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 7: Robert, it is like it feels like it feels like

1617
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 7: I'm working with my like with myself, because he we

1618
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 7: have the same kind of thoughts on music, on how

1619
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 7: to blend the genres and kind of like I have

1620
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 7: the same sensibility of jazz but go anywhere with it,

1621
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 7: you know. So that's like my musical brother. A lot

1622
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 7: of times when we were we're not even we don't

1623
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 7: even if it's not even planned, you know, it's just

1624
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 7: once again, like these just cool mistakes and in the

1625
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 7: middle of the mistake, we make it mean something, you know,

1626
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 7: but uh.

1627
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful mistakes.

1628
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I work a rob I don't even it's

1629
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 7: so home, you know what I mean, where I don't

1630
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 7: really I don't really think too much while I'm doing it.

1631
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: I think that's how it has to be, like again

1632
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: when I say in the present, it's how you feel

1633
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:38,440
Speaker 1: at that moment with your children, as has the epigenetic

1634
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: effect happened? Like are they singers as well? Do they

1635
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: have musical talent? What do they think when they watch you? Before?

1636
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 7: My kids think I'm an odd bird. None of them

1637
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 7: are are musicians, even though I've tried my best. You know,

1638
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 7: they've been in piano and drums and everything. But my

1639
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 7: kids like art, they like all things, are all things anime.

1640
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 7: They're in that kind of a world. So I think

1641
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 7: they could possibly maybe raped Like when they were little kids.

1642
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 7: They used to represent ta live Quali's son Amani. We

1643
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 7: lived across the hall from I lived across the hall

1644
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 7: from from Tai lived for for a while and his

1645
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 7: son Amani used to watch my kids. And I think

1646
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 7: that's another way that I got into learning these the

1647
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 7: young kids like Pink Seafood or Live and all these

1648
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 7: young musicians out today because they would always hang out

1649
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 7: at Amani's house and they had my kids rapping like

1650
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 7: as little kids. So I know they have the skill

1651
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 7: to rap, but they want to be like anime cats.

1652
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

1653
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 7: My wife says that my son Paris can sing, but

1654
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 7: he's very secretive with his town. It's like he did

1655
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 7: you know, he's shy about it. I don't know why.

1656
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 1: There's one of the fruit falling far from the tree

1657
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, I know that one of them

1658
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: has a voice in them.

1659
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 7: But you know, I was the only musician in my

1660
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 7: family though, you know that kind of like made this

1661
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 7: step to be a musician. Like my only musician in

1662
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 7: my family. Everybody else is like my sister is an electrician,

1663
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 7: my brother does construction, like my my father does construction.

1664
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 7: Come from a family construction workers, really want to be

1665
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 7: an architect. Wow. Yeah, I'm like the only one that

1666
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 7: kind of like leaned into music. I don't come from

1667
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 7: like a musical family or anything like that. So like

1668
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 7: everything that I do, I kind of like or maybe

1669
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 7: all the talent.

1670
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,640
Speaker 3: You do and inherited a lot of people ask me

1671
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 3: what are my favorite sessions have been over the years,

1672
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 3: and a lot of times I'll talk about Hard Groove,

1673
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 3: the Roy Hargrove album with Russ at Electrical Lydy and

1674
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 3: that whole amazing record. And then I also mentioned my

1675
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 3: time with Bellile up in studio see at Electrical Lyady

1676
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 3: working on I Guess Are We?

1677
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Is it called Love for Sale? The album that we

1678
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 2: were working on. Yeah, those sessions just.

1679
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 7: Mandar a lot of that shit.

1680
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 3: You were the first artist who really gave me just

1681
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 3: complete freedom in the studio to experiment and to you know,

1682
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 3: we'd lay stuff down during the day and then I'd

1683
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 3: stay late and come in early and sort of do

1684
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 3: rough mixes for you and just you just let me

1685
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 3: do whatever. We were doing some some real experimental stuff,

1686
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 3: and I wanted to thank you for that because that

1687
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:50,839
Speaker 3: was really when I first started to feel my own voice,

1688
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 3: I guess as an engineer and producer and stuff like that. Also,

1689
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 3: if anybody is am I the second, yeah you're somewhere

1690
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:04,639
Speaker 3: down the list, but yeah, yeah, But if anyone's out

1691
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 3: there looking for a Bloo song that they've probably never

1692
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 3: heard before, check out Black Coffee and bed A Squeeze

1693
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:15,719
Speaker 3: song that blows gracious enough to sign with Nikki Jean.

1694
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it's forty.

1695
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 2: Five right, yeah, yeah, it's how you can stream it.

1696
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 7: Black Coffee and Bed.

1697
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. That was a big, big song. Yep.

1698
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, we just some real experimental ship. Those were the days.

1699
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, those were the days. Yeah.

1700
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: Well look, man, this being our first professional interview with you. Look, man,

1701
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: what more can I say? You're still one of my

1702
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: favorite creative humans. Uh And oftentimes I have many what

1703
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 1: will Blow do moment when it comes to figuring out

1704
01:45:56,240 --> 01:46:00,719
Speaker 1: what daredevil artistry I want to leash on my audience,

1705
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: like from my DJ gigs to like a lot of my.

1706
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 5: Boulder the hell is he doing what I think he's doing?

1707
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 1: Any any of those times where people have asked that,

1708
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: usually the green light starts with kind of what would

1709
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: Blau do? So you're you're literally like, I know people

1710
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,799
Speaker 1: think of North Stars as a person in the past

1711
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: who's like died and you're holding something, but you know,

1712
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 1: you're you're really an exemplary fearless performance artist. Even Howard

1713
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: Stern says you're one of his favorite singers and he

1714
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 1: had no clue why so we did a tribute to

1715
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 1: John Lennon and Steve had introduced a song to me

1716
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 1: called Mother that you know, Yoko Ono kind of got

1717
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,879
Speaker 1: John Lennon too. He didn't want to go to therapy,

1718
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: so he went to screaming therapy. And if you listen

1719
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: to the song Mother, that's kind of where the anger

1720
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: of being an orphan really comes out. Starts very gentle,

1721
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:16,759
Speaker 1: but by the end John Lennon start raging mad about

1722
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: his childhood. And I knew that if we got if

1723
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 1: we were given permission to do that song at Madison

1724
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: Square Garden for the John Lennon tribute, we would steal

1725
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: the show. And if you listen to the Stern show

1726
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: the day after that concert, he didn't know you by name,

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Speaker 1: but he's like, there's a singer with Jimmy Fallon's band

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Speaker 1: who just absolutely stole you know, people correct him, that

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Speaker 1: was the Roots, That was the Roots, and he's just like,

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Speaker 1: you know, at first he was like, what are these

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Speaker 1: guys doing on the stage and they're gonna rap, like

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Speaker 1: give visa chance, and you know, you absolutely floored him.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, that's what's up.

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Speaker 5: Keep going, man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your artistry and thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: doing our podcast.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me. Jay, You're one of my

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Speaker 7: biggest inspirations and reasons I'm here. You know I appreciate

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Speaker 7: early champions.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for the honor of that man. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sir, I want to be having Layah and Bill

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Speaker 1: and Steve this Quest though signing out this Quest Love Supreme,

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Speaker 1: but the one only below. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 4: This podcast is hosted by a Mere Quest Love Thompson,

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Speaker 4: Liyah Saint, Clair Sugar, Steve Vandel, and myself unpaid Bill Sherman.

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Speaker 4: The executive producers are Mere just walked into the goddamn

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Speaker 4: room Thompson, Sean g and Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin,

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Speaker 4: Jake Paine and Liah Sinclair. Edited by Alex Conroy I

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Speaker 4: know Alex Conray. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown.

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Speaker 1: West Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.