1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one eight Taylor Show. 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: We're joined by Land Tawny, the CEO and president of 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: back Country Hunters and Anglers, to discuss public lands conservation 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: in what h is doing that we deer hunters might 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: care about. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, 9 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear and today, as I mentioned, 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: we've got Land Tawny of back Country Hunters and Anglers 11 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: with us, and we're going to be discussing what back 12 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: country Hunters and Anglers is, why it's relevant to us 13 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: deer hunters across the country, probably more so than many 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: of us might think, and what's going on with public 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: lands conservation and policy across the country. So again, this 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: is going to be a very interesting conversation. I'm looking 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: forward to it. Unfortunately, again this week, because of some 18 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: scheduling issues, my co host Dan Johnson isn't able to 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: join us, but he told me to say hi and 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: let you all know he'll be back soon. So with 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: that said, we are not going to beat around the bush. 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: But before we get land on the show, we need 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: to briefly pause to thank our sponsors of this podcast, 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: Sick to Gear, for stepping up and making this show possible. 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: Now we'll be continuing with our Sickest Stories series soon, 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: but today I wanted to mention something that I've been 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: using a lot lately. 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And now let's get to the 48 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of our episode today and welcome Lantani 49 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: onto the podcast. All right with us on the line 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: now is Land Tawny. Welcome the show. Land. Hey, thanks 51 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: for having me. I'm excited to chat. And I realized 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: we just talked a second ago offline that we just 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: crossed passed you were you were right here where I'm at, 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: weren't you? Yeah? Down in uh one of the most 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: beautiful places in the world, Drigs, Idaho, which is just 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: outside of like the Titon Mountains, which is you know, 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: gorgeous peaks and river runs through it. It's almost as 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: good as Montana. It's pretty spectacular country. I I'm bummed 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: I missed you. We were we were probably driving past 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: each other at some point. So did you have a 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: good time? Win her. I did. I did. I had 62 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: some events in Jackson Hole. They have the Western Governors 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Association meeting was going on, so I had some things 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: I had to do along with that, and I was 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: able to our antadaptor at the camp out that weekend 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: before so I went from Headwater State Park, which is 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: outside of Bozeman, and drove downs for the park and 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: actually got to fish and fish um on the Fire 69 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: River in the given river, and then I did events. 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: So it was a nice little tour. Nice. Yeah, I 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: I've been testing the waters up in the Firehole too. 72 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: I've had a little bit of success. But you probably 73 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: know what you're doing better than I do, so glad 74 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: you do. I don't know about that. I think they 75 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: were just maybe I got lucky and they were hungry 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: that day. One thing I will tell you is that 77 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: that river is so warm, you know, with all the 78 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: um the jew you know, the geo kind of activity 79 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: that's going on there and geo thermally get activity, and 80 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: I just wonder what happens to them later in the summer, 81 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, and and and fishing. At this time of year, 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: it was still cold enough probably for those trout, but um, 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: you gotta wonder what happens later in the year. I 84 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: wondered the same thing, because you know, it fishes so 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: well early. But I gotta believe it's either they either 86 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: they shut maybe they shut it down, I don't know, 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: but either shut it down or the fishing the fish 88 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: themselves just can't be too active when it gets so warm. 89 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's already pretty warm. So yep, yep, 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: it's interesting. So you've been on this big trip. Your 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: back at work now, how I guess speaking of your 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: work for those that aren't familiar, you know, I briefly 93 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: introduced you as a CEO of that country Hunters and Anglers, 94 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: But can you tell us a little bit more about 95 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: how you got to that point, what your background is? Yeah? Sure, 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: So I'm a fifth generation Montana very lucky to grow 97 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: up here in Montana, and um my my father and 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: mother really drove kind of kids getting outside, and my 99 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: dad ended up being the lewars of the foundation, um 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: for the first ten years until he passed away. And 101 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: so you know, I from a young age, you know, 102 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: I was on my dad's back fishing, um, you know, 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: hiking up steep mountains where I literally had the step 104 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: in his footsteps, Um, because the snow was so deep 105 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: and if I went off, if I did not do that, 106 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to make it. And and so 107 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to do the same thing with 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: my kids. And because that background gave me just kind 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: of appreciation, um for the great outdoors and the kind 110 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: of the heritage that we have, but then also the 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: drive at how to you know, protect it and make 112 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: sure that you know, our future generations have it. So 113 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: I feel real lucky that way. And UM, I'll tell 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: you that, you know, I was I was out in 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: Seattle going to schools, kind of screwing around, getting a 116 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: business degree, and um, my father got real sick and 117 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: then he ended up passing away. And so that that 118 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: brought me back to Montana. And while that is the 119 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: most significant, kind of tragic event in my life, UM 120 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: and still think about him every single day, is that, 121 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of brought me back to Montana 122 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 1: and grounded me and and and really that's when I, 123 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, engaged and kind of decided this is kind 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: of what I wanted to do. And I got a 125 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: wildlife valoties agree here at the University of Montana and 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, kind of my senior year there, I kind 127 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: of figured out that I want to be more involved 128 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: in policy than kind of on the ground. I love 129 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: being in the field, but I wanted to be able 130 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: to like to impact, you know, large kind of policies. 131 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: And so I got done with my degree, and then 132 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: I started volunteering for the Theodore Roosevelt Servation Alliance, which 133 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: was the precursor to the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. It 134 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: was brand new at that point. The same guy that 135 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: had started the OUT Foundation, or one of the guys 136 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: that started the OUT Foundation, Bob Munson, he was heading 137 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: it up, and so I started volunteering for him. I 138 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: think I worked as a volunteer for six months and 139 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: like data entry and not real fun stuff, but at 140 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: least got my foot in the door, and I got 141 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: a part time job and then eventually got up a 142 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: full time job with them, and and that was really, 143 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: I think, such a great opportunity for me because I 144 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: was it was such a small organization and I was 145 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: able to one meet a lot of people within the 146 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: conservation field, but also be involved um and I ended 147 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: up being their national grass roots coordinator before I left, 148 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: and I really appreciate my time with them and a 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: lot of the leaders that I had there, and one 150 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: of them was Jim Range. And Jim used to work 151 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: for Howard Baker, who was the he was a majority 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: leader in the Senate and he was just you know, 153 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: he helped him write the Clean Air Act between the 154 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: Water Act um and that was back when you know, 155 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats um alike really work together to you know, 156 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: work on our kind of conservation heritage. So it's great 157 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: to learn kind of somethings from him, and that set 158 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: me up. Then two I went to work for the 159 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: National wild By Federation. After about three and a half 160 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: years working with them, and uh, you know, became their 161 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: national kind of sportsman's outreach Coordinator and so I was 162 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: in charge of all the sports's campaigns within National wild 163 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: By Federation and then specifically ran a couple um uh 164 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: one around the eighteen seventy two mining low and another 165 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: one around the restoration of the Mississippi River Delta. And 166 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: so I was able to work with They have chapters 167 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: all of the country, or as they called them, affiliates. 168 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: Grassroots kind of hunters and anglers have been in the 169 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: game for a long time. So I got to work 170 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: with those volunteers and mobilize them and and really I 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: was happy there. And um, you know, I've become a 172 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: member of b h A right when they started back 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand four, and I was always kind of 174 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: attracted to their mission and UH and then I started, 175 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, the they had a search committee for this 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: this new job that they were hiring, and I really, 177 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't take a real serious look at it. 178 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: And until one night, you know, I really looked at 179 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: at b h A and the car had been built 180 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: and this nobody had, you know, really knew how to 181 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: drive it yet. And so I was able to take 182 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: the skills that I've learned over the last decade and 183 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: a half from those other two organizations and then bring 184 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: them to you know, a new organization that UH really 185 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: was in its infancy while it was started in two 186 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: thousand four. It had all been volunteer driven in great volunteers. 187 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: I know that when I worked for National wildlif Federation 188 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: and we do a flying out to d C on 189 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: one issue or another, but I always looked folks from 190 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: back country hunters and anglers because they not only did 191 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: they know their place because they're out there, you know, 192 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: not just a couple of days a year, but you know, 193 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: as much as they can in some case is you know, 194 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: two hundred or so days a year, and um, they 195 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: knew their place. But they're also like they knew the 196 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: policies and we're very passionate about and protecting these places. 197 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: And so you get them up there and they just 198 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: be so effective in front of our elected officials. And 199 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: so I've had a kind of reverence to them. And 200 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: and you know when I came here, I was the 201 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: first kind of full time employee, um that we had 202 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: at that point. And you know, now we've we've grown 203 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: to this large organization and you know, we're still small, 204 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: I think within the within the sportsman kind of conservation community. 205 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: But you know, where we were three years ago is 206 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: really pale in comparison to where we are now. And 207 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, besides kind of having a 208 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: good idea, which you know, where the sportsman's voice for 209 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: our wild public lands, waters and wildlife is that you 210 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: know that that that's resonated even more I think with 211 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: people because um, you know, the idea of adventure and challenge, 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, it shows up in spartan races and um, 213 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, tough mutters, cetera. And you know, people are 214 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: looking for that challenge. And the only places that you 215 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: can actually experience that are on public lands and these 216 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: wild public lands, and we're not making any more of them, 217 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, nobody's gonna you know, nobody. There's 218 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: not a um, you know, a Concrete Association of America 219 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: that is like protecting concrete to make sure that nobody like, 220 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, right, these public yeah right, you know, but 221 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: they can make that stuff anytime, and you know it's 222 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: it's something, um that you don't have to worry about losing. 223 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: But these public lands that we have, especially the wild 224 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: pieces of them, you know, we're not making any more 225 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: of that. And that's what makes us unique is kind 226 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: of Americans compared to the rest of the world. And 227 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: it's where you and I and every American I can 228 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: experience the same things that really have been going on 229 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: for our for centuries. That's a pretty cool thing. So, um, 230 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm having fun, more fun than I 231 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: have in my entire career. And I get to work 232 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: with a lot of great people, both volunteers and staff. 233 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: So it's it's a good thing, so credible. Now, our 234 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: audience is you know, serious deer hunters comprise the majority 235 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: of our audience, and they're all across the country, but 236 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: probably the majority or in the Midwest, East, and the 237 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: southern part of the United States. Now, I know that 238 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: that country hunters and anglers started in the West, and 239 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: I think you've got slightly larger contingent in that part 240 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: of the country. So I'm curious if there might be 241 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: a large portion of our audience that doesn't really know 242 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: who you guys are and what you do. Can you 243 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: just lay out the groundwork? What is b h A, 244 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: What do you guys do? What do you stand for? Yeah? 245 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: For sure, So gave you the tagline kind of first, 246 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: you know that the Sportsman's voice for a wild public lands, 247 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: waters in the wild by and so what that really 248 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: means is in shorthand, is that is that we want 249 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: to make sure we keep public lands in public hands, 250 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: so that's access and and make sure that you know 251 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: you have a place to go. And then once you 252 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: get there, we want to make sure that there's you know, 253 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: the good fish in wild the habitat, so that um, 254 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: so that you know, we we don't, and so we 255 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: have the opportunities that we all care about. And and 256 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: so you know, within that, there's really a bunch of 257 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: things that we worked on. And so the first one 258 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: UM kind of that access and opportunity and access and opportunity. 259 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Right now, there's this movement you know that that seems 260 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: to be growing every day on the sale or transfer 261 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: of public lands. And you know, once you lose these 262 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: public lands, you don't get them back, and so we 263 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: think that's a really dumb idea. UM. And and so 264 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: there's that piece UM within the access kind of bucket, 265 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I will call it. UH. An addition, there's a thing 266 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: called the Land and Water Conservation Funds and that was 267 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: established back in the nineteen sixty four and uh UM, 268 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, we we advocate for that because it's the 269 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: number one access tool in this country and so that 270 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: access UM, you know, like like to either isolated public lands. UM, 271 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: we're just getting better access to public lands that we 272 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: have now, like that's the tool to do it, and 273 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: so we want to make sure that you know, that 274 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: is carried into the future. UM. Next piece is probably 275 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: our biggest budget, our biggest biggest bucket, excuse me, and 276 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: that's kind of just fishing and wilife habitat, and so 277 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: we want to make sure that, um, you know that 278 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: once you get to these public lands that you have 279 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: the opticities behind fish and so you know, there's things 280 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: like the Clean Water Act, you know, this overarching piece 281 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: that makes sure that our waters stay healthy. And you know, 282 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: like just recently, administration came out with some new rules 283 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: that that restored protections uh to temporary wetlands. And so 284 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: these are you know, wetlands that ducks are using right 285 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: now vitally important. They're only kind of wet this time 286 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: of year, especially in the prayer pothole regions, so North Dakota, 287 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: South Dakota, a little bit of Minnesota, and a little 288 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: bit of Montana. And this is where the duck factory 289 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: basically is is want to make sure that those places 290 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: are protected, uh. And it also protects temporary streams, so 291 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: the places where there are again wet right now that 292 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: are being used for spawning habitsat and vital to kind 293 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: of fish populations. So we worked real hard on making 294 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: sure that those uh, those I guess protections were restored. 295 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: H Um. Other pieces you know within that would be 296 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: like funding um, you know, funding right now has been 297 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: has been going down for our fishing game agencies, and 298 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: so they can't do the things that they want to 299 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: do and whether that's restoration stuff, that's you know, making 300 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: sure you have happening on the grounds through studies, they 301 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: can't do that. And one of the main reasons they 302 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: can't do that as much anymore is because you know, 303 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: one of their budget has been going down. But too, 304 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: we're every single year and these fires ah um, you know, 305 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: they take up let's say of the four service budget 306 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: right now, and so that's why they cannot do everything 307 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: else is because you know, these fires happen every single 308 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: year and they just don't have the appropriate money. So 309 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: we're working to get that, um, that fire off of 310 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: kind of normal for service budget and treat it just 311 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: like um and just like any other natural disasters, so floods, hurricanes, tornadoes. 312 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: We feel like that fits there. And so there's a 313 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: host of things I think that we work on there. 314 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, one I would say that I haven't brought 315 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: up yet is that you know, we really how to 316 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: work at a collaborative effort and look at you know, 317 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: national forests and as as a kind of a watershed 318 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: and and and instead of you know, we looking at 319 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: trying to protect these wild public lands and like, how 320 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: would how would how would this all look of it 321 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: was managed for everyone? And so the cample of that 322 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: is something we're doing out of it's called the clear 323 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Water based and collaborative And really there we've worked with 324 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: timber folks, we work at a TV folks, local county commissioners, 325 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: other kind of conservation organizations and U and timber folks 326 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: and and really said, here's this whole forest, like, let's 327 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: figure out what is best for all of us. And 328 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: so within that there's five hundred acres of new wilderness, 329 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: there's two hundred miles of wild and scenic river, two 330 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: hundred miles of the longest continuous a TV route in 331 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: the West, and then increased timber harvests in the front country. 332 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: And so it's a path forward for everybody. You know, 333 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: is it Is it perfect for everyone? Probably not? You know, 334 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: as these conversations have happened over the kaide, UH folks 335 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: really have come to the idea that we'd rather have 336 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: a pass forward than nothing at all. And so um, 337 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: everybody can live with it. And uh and and so 338 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: now hopefully we're going to move forward with it. So 339 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: that's that kind of land protection piece, um that we 340 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: engage in. And the final piece I haven't really talked 341 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: about the kind of the final bucket is fair chase. 342 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: And you know, as you know, we as hunters think 343 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: about you know what that means to us, especially in 344 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: the growing technology world. We want to be a leading 345 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: voice on that. And you know that was stuff that 346 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: was started probably you know in the eighteen seventies, I 347 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: think is when Forests and Stream, which was the precursor 348 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: to Field and Stream first came out, and really that 349 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: talked about kind of the sportsman's code and you know, 350 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: how you act out there and as a steward and 351 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: um and how you pursue game. And so you fast 352 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: forward to today and two of the issues that we're 353 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: working on there I think really flying the face of 354 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: that kind of that sportsman ethic. And the first one 355 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: is is with drones, and drones of you know, I've 356 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: been used for them by the military now becoming more 357 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: and more popular I'm a civilian bad and becoming more 358 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: and more sophisticated, uh and and affordable, and so we're 359 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: starting to use drones, uh, for scouting and you know, 360 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: during the hunting season, and um, you know, it's like 361 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: you could call me up from Michigan and say, hey, 362 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: I want to come hunt, you know, an elk out 363 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: in Montana and make sure you can find one before 364 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: I get there, and I could send up my drones 365 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: and by the time you got here, I could give 366 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: you a GPS coordinate and I could you know, put 367 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: you right on that bowl and you can go shoot it. 368 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: And to us, that has nothing to do the fair chase. Really, um, 369 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: it's not fair to hunt. So we've helped bands of 370 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: drones for for hunting and scouting, um like can thirteen 371 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: states now and and that's we're working on more. Um 372 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: some states that feel like they have that coverage, so 373 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: their their aviation and a rule, we're making sure that 374 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: they've insert drones to those rules. And then also, I 375 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: mean the thing with the drone versus an airplane. You 376 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: can hear an airplane you know for miles, and that 377 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: drone is really gotta be right above you for you 378 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: to to hear it and then see it. And so 379 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: they're much more there, much less invasive, I would say, 380 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: and so there's much more propensity that you know, people 381 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: be doing things. And so instead of like the twenty 382 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: four hour rule that's in place in a lot of 383 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: states on airplanes, we went for the whole season and 384 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: that just seems to work. And you know, the wardens 385 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: like that a lot better. The second one in there 386 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: is um one that's near and deared my heart is 387 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: really uh this idea of hunting animals behind a fence 388 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I think I've talked earlier in 389 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: this conversation about how people are kind of thirsting for 390 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: that adventure and challenge and there that could you know 391 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: this this is the antithesis of that, you know, And 392 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: it's Uh, folks shooting animals in a pen like I 393 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: they don't tell that story, right, but when they shoot 394 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: that animal in the pen, they put that head up 395 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: on the wall and brag about Like they're not bragging 396 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: that they were, you know, in a in an enclosure 397 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: shooting that animal. Um, they're telling some story about they 398 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: were on the peak in Montana and Idaho or wherever. 399 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: And Um, to me, it's it's you know, it's it's one. 400 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: It's the fair chase aspect. It's also there's a disease factor. 401 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: There are these things are kind of vectors for disease. 402 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: And then the last pieces is that you know, these 403 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: animals get out, um kind of that what that does 404 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: to the um kind of the populations, genes um as 405 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: these things infiltrate. So that's just like a short snapshot 406 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: marked of kind of what we work on in those 407 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: three buckets. But um, you know what separates us, I 408 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: think from every other sports organization out there is that 409 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: we really work on public policy on public lands basically strictly. 410 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: And so you know, we're not like the old foundation 411 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: out you know, buying wintering habitat um for elk or 412 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, duck habitat for ducks like Ducks Unlimited, which 413 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: is all great work. We're really focused on public lands 414 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: and you know, and with that, you know, we have 415 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: a you know, a growing grassroots constituency all across the country. 416 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: And um. You know you mentioned we started the West, 417 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: which we did we started around a campfire and Oregon, 418 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: which you know, all good things start at a campfire, 419 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: um um. And you know, we we have all western 420 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: states covered with chapters now, but now we're moving into 421 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: the Midwest and you know, we've had one for a 422 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: while in Minnesota, but just picked up one in your 423 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: home state of Michigan and in Wisconsin, and we've got 424 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: chapters in Pennsylvania and New York and then all the 425 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: New England states. So you know, I think, you know, 426 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: you think and we think about public lands. A lot 427 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: of people think that, you know, they're only located in 428 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: the West. And I look at like the Huron Manistee 429 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: kind of National forest in Michigan, like there's public land. 430 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean that's like that's those are large different swas 431 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: I in North Carolina, South Carolina, there's a national force 432 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: there that's like over a million acres. So there's still 433 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: those places. Yes, the West has more, um, but for 434 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: for you all one, you know, I mean we were 435 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: talking earlier about how you're gonna come out here in 436 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: Hunt and I'm guessing that's going to be on public lands. 437 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: So it's important that way. Um. And then you know 438 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: those public lands back home there might not be as 439 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: many of them, which I think makes them even that 440 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: much more important. And so um, you know, well, we 441 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: started in the West, Uh, we're definitely we're resonating across 442 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: the country because people are starting to understand of the 443 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: importance of public lands and that all of us, like 444 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: every single person on this that's listening to this, is 445 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: a public landowner, like we we own that land. Federal 446 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: government manages it for us, but all of us have 447 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: ownership in that. And to me, I think there could 448 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: be nothing more American than that. And the more people 449 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: find out that, you know, they own this large I 450 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: think it's like sixty six million acre estate where you know, 451 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: we can all live like kings. I think they want 452 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: to step up and make sure it's there for future generations. Absolutely, 453 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: and I think it's it's such an important point to 454 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: bring up for those of us that you know, as 455 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned, maybe we don't have as much public land 456 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: here in the Midwest or on the East Coast, and 457 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we forget that all that is available 458 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: to us and that it is, you know, like you said, 459 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: we can live like kings other it's ours, it's ours 460 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: to use, but it's also ours to protect and that 461 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: we are also responsible for it. So I think to 462 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: your points, there is so much relevance two people where 463 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: I live or in the South or on the East 464 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: Coast in what you guys are doing. I mean, like 465 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: you said, you're protecting public lands, not just out west, 466 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: but all across the country. You're working for fair chase. 467 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: You're working to promote fair chase. That's very, um, very 468 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: impactful on a lot of what we do as deer hunters. 469 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: The high fence thing is a major issue, the drone 470 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: thing is a major issue. UM. I think that really 471 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: there's there's a universal countrywide relevance to your mission and 472 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do. And I think one of 473 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: the big things that I am trying to do is 474 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: I want to make sure as many people know about 475 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: it as possible because it is relatively unique what you 476 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: guys are doing. There aren't any organizations that are focused 477 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: really primarily on public land policy, public and public land issues, 478 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: and species specific You guys are working across the board 479 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: for wildlife for habitat and that's what has really drawn 480 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: me to your mission, to your organization. So I became 481 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: a member, I don't know, maybe four or five years ago, 482 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: and now I'm actually on the board of directors for 483 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: the Michigan Chapter, and I'm really excited about what we're 484 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: doing here in my home state. And I just you know, 485 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: call to action for everybody listening. I mean, what you 486 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: guys are doing impacts all of us, and I think 487 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: we can all you know, help that cause too by 488 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: becoming a part of it. So I guess my first 489 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: or next question then, is for those that are interested 490 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: in this mission, who like what you're saying, who who 491 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: that resonates with? You know, what's what's entailed when they joined? 492 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: How do you join? What's the cost? What's in it 493 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: for them? How can they help? Great? And by the way, 494 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: thank you for stepping up. I think there's a Roosevelt 495 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: quote I just absolutely love. There's many of um, but 496 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it goes like this. I admired man who 497 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: takes the next step, not those that ariz about the 498 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: and like you becoming a member you uh, stepping up 499 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: and being on the board in Michigan and help you know, 500 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: start that chapter. I got stepped up doing something right, 501 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: like we're in the arena, and I just you know, 502 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: I think I hope more people you know, do that, 503 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: And so big thank you for me, Mark, no problem, 504 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: thank you. Um. You know, our membership is is you know, 505 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: our single membership is super cheap. It's twenty five dollars, 506 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that's uh, that's going out with 507 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: a couple of friends and have a couple of beers. 508 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: It's not that much money. UM. And so what that 509 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: gets to you, that gets connected UM who are kind 510 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: of at work and so you know something's happening, UM, 511 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: we send you an action alert and provide it, you know, 512 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to get involved really quickly. So 513 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: there's that piece. If you have a local chapter in 514 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: your state, this automatically connects to you to that local 515 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: chapter and so you can get involved, come with what 516 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: they're doing at a local level. UM. And then it 517 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: gets you our magazine that comes out four times a year. 518 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: And this magazine, I think, and I'm biased obviously, but 519 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best magazines it's out 520 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: there right now. Is that it's this UM insta this 521 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: mix of kind of conservation policy as well as kind 522 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: of the back country experience and UM. And it's getting 523 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: better and better with each issue. And I got a 524 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: it's a big asset that you get. UM. That's our 525 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: at our our level. There there's a family membership at 526 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: thirty five that you know we have. We definitely we're 527 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: family oriented and would love to have more families involved. UM. 528 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: There's a hundred dollar supporting member. That's that's yearly that 529 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: I think if you want to step up a little 530 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: bit more. And then there's the final piece with our 531 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: life membership. And I think our life membership right now, 532 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: like you can almost have not a you can't afford 533 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: not to bekome a life member right now. I'm not 534 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: sure how long we'll have these premiums that are so awesome, 535 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: but you know you gotta right now, you become a 536 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: life member a thousand dollars, you get opportunity to have 537 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: either a seek outside tent. It was one of our 538 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: great corporate partners based out a call Rattle. They're actually 539 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: making or tents in Colorado, UM, and so you get 540 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: a little t P tent there with the titanium stove, 541 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: or you can you know, choose a micro carry three 542 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: eight at Kimber micro Carry three eight and each one 543 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: of those like it's there's not much difference between their 544 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: retail value and the actual thousand dollars UM. And so 545 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: again I don't think you can. I mean, if you 546 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: hear what if you like what you're hearing and you 547 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: think that either one of those is an attractive kind 548 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: of piece, um, you can't afford not to do it 549 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: right now. And then you know, we move into the 550 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: fift hundred, which is a larger TP with the pantanium 551 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: stove UM, and then a forty five and then the 552 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: Kimber forty five a CP they're customed to, real nice 553 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: pistol um. And then we move into the level and 554 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: I think that's their seac outside's largest TV, which is 555 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: a twelve man stove again there um. And then if 556 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: you want, you can get the instead you can get 557 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: the mountainous scent rifles from Kimber, which is the what's 558 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: theist production rifle on the market, And it's just phenomenal 559 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: on the artwork that's kind of gone into this, like 560 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: the fluting of the bolt and everything. I was absolutely gorgeous. 561 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: And it's a gun that performs to paying retails for 562 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: about um. It's getting a good deal any one of those, 563 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: and I encourage I'll take a look at it. And 564 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: again I'm not sure how long it will last, the 565 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: last about for the rest of the year, um, but 566 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: they've been really generous to us, and who knows how 567 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: long that last. So if you can't get it in now, 568 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: I've seen that and I was very very tempted. It's 569 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: it's on my to do list here soon to just 570 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: make it happen, because I was like, wow, I want 571 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: another handgun. I think this is a good way to 572 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: go right and support that cause. So I like that. 573 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Now you had talked a little bit about some of 574 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: the things going on farther east here in the Midwest 575 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: and your new chapters and everything. Are there any actual 576 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: current events or issues happening in those parts of the 577 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: country that you guys are working on. I know, like, 578 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: for example, there's some stuff going on in the Boundary Waters, 579 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: I think, But is there any you can you tell 580 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: us more about that or anything else that you guys 581 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: are keeping your eye on in this part of the country. Yeah, 582 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll talk to I mean, I think the 583 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Boundary Waters is a good example. Um, you know, very 584 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: special place. Uh you know, one of the most visited 585 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: wilderness the entire country, and that's because it's so dawn accessible. 586 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: You know, you can take young kids in there, and 587 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: you can take grandparents in there, and um, but at 588 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: the same time still get lost because it's just the 589 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: nature of you know, I think of all the different 590 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: kind of lakes that are connected there and UM, so 591 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: it's it's been around for a long time and it's 592 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: a it's highly valued for for hunting and fishing and 593 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: also this kind of the clean water that it provides 594 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: those local communities. And UM, there's a couple of minds 595 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: that are proposed on the southern end that I think 596 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: one of them is only that like a quarter mile 597 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: from the edge and all the water flows north there 598 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: and so you know, any kind of spillage would go 599 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: into um the boundary waters and taint that forever. And UM. 600 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's not a mine that hasn't waked, 601 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: and so it's not about about if that's going to happen. 602 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: It's a matter of when. And so it's something we're 603 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: really engaged in. And what's awesome is that we've been 604 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: working on this, you know, with our members for a 605 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: while now and then a greater kind of coalition and 606 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: just here in the last week the chief of the 607 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: four Service announced that they're going to look at those 608 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: two minds, um their permits and uh and see if 609 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: if it's not a place that they should be permitted. 610 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: And so there'll be a public comment period kind of 611 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: on that. I'm not like I am exactly rather structuring that, 612 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: but I'll start June twenty and kind of go through 613 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: uh July nineteenth, I think is so it's like about 614 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: thirty day comment period, and so there's an opportunity to 615 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: get involved in that right now. And even if you don't, 616 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, go to the boundary water has never been there, 617 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: maybe never will go there. Like it's one of those 618 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: places that you just love knowing that's out there and 619 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: knowing that, um, you know, if you if you did 620 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: want to go, you could. So that's one thing. Um. 621 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: I think one thing I call out is what you 622 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: guys did in Michigan that I'm I'm watching but kind 623 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: of letting you guys take the lead on because you're 624 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: there and you know it. And that's this idea of 625 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the sale and transfer of 626 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: public lands um at a federal level, but one of 627 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: the reasons, you know, we are worried about them being 628 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: transferred to the states is because the states have divested 629 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: allows of the lands that was originally granted to them. 630 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: And that's happening right in your state right now. I mean, 631 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: there's there you know more about this than me, but 632 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: there's you know, state land that's being put on the 633 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: auction block. And while that makes sense sometimes because of 634 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: the I guess the quality of land that that is 635 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: and that might not be the greatest fish And while 636 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: that habitat like there's stuff on the on the topping 637 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: block that is there and to me, UM, you know, 638 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: you guys are at the kind of tip of the spear. 639 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: They've already gone to the state legislature, which I think 640 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: is awesome. UM, And I've kind of hit the ground running. 641 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, those two um would be 642 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: stuff I call out. I mean I think the um 643 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff we've talked about, whether 644 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: that owns are like game farms are kind of universal. Um, 645 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: definitely our stuff that's happening. UM. You know, we've got 646 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: some stuff we're looking at over in Maine right now. 647 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: They're looking at designating either a national park or national 648 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: money up there in the main Woods. And it's a 649 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: private entity. UM. A woman that was part of the 650 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: um the bees kind of lip bom kind of like 651 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: Coomer Bird's bees. Yeah, thank you, Sorry, I lost that 652 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: for a second about birds bees. And so she has 653 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: this this property up there that she wants to get 654 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: to the United States, and so we're trying to make 655 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: sure that you know there's opportunities and the fish up there, um, 656 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: and that you know that that landscape is maintained and 657 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: um it's conserved. So um, those are a couple. I mean, 658 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: I think you know, the what's what's what's unique about 659 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: this country and and and we're a cute geography. But 660 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, when stuff goes on out in d C. 661 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: There's stuff that you know that that that we need 662 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: elected officials in Wisconsin and Michigan and Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania, 663 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: these places that gislation may only impact the West, but 664 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: they still vote on it, right, And so like being 665 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: want to educate those folks on all sorts of different issues, 666 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: you've got to have those people in place. And so, um, 667 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, expanning our reach with the chapters and the 668 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: kind of the Upper Midwest I call it like the 669 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Great Lakes region, um, and then kind of the the 670 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: in New England and kind of like New York and Pennsylvania. 671 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: Not only can they help us work on more and 672 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: stuff in those local areas, but they can also help 673 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: us at the federal levels. So um, you know, again 674 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: it may a little different. You know that public lands 675 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: may be a little bit different, but you know, man, 676 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: we want to take care of them. And then you know, 677 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of private property, especially like with timber 678 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: companies that are in the in the East, that um, 679 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, aren't necessarily open to the public, and so 680 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, you know, getting some public access to those 681 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: pieces um is something that you know, I think some 682 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: of our local chapters are working on east of the 683 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: Mississippi well, and I think that's a you know, it's 684 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: a great thing for them to be doing. Yeah, so 685 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: what's something I kind of I think some people maybe 686 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: one or about when they hear about all these different 687 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: tens of issues that you guys are working on or 688 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: these topics of concern, they might wonder, you know, what 689 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: are you actually doing? Like how do you work on that? 690 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean, is it you and your team going and 691 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: talking to legislators or is it just mobilizing members to 692 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: call and write letters, or how is it that b 693 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: h A actually makes an impact on these issues that 694 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: are you know, of importance to you not us. That's great. UM, 695 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: So let's take the bounty water since that's just something 696 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: that's like real topical right now. So, um, like that's 697 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: something proactive that we're trying to do and then I'll 698 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: talk about after that. So this is the place you know, 699 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: that we've described already and that you know, we really 700 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: care about. And so his mind's kind of like the 701 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: pro point. Well, we're like we've been out to d 702 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: C talking to people and within the administration saying it 703 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: is not a good idea, do this, don't do this, 704 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: don't do this, and and so you know we've been 705 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: doing that for a while now and then just for 706 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: that so those are kind of you know, intense kind 707 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: of one on one meetings and so that now has 708 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: precipitated kind of this process where they're going to look 709 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: at these like the permits of these minds. And so 710 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: now once that process starts, like we really want to 711 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: turn on the grassroots. You know, it's not so much 712 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: anymore about like these one on one meetings, but it's 713 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: about mobilizing the masses. And so we're gonna be driving 714 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: a petition that gets folks to um, you know, to 715 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: to voice their opinion to the administration about why they 716 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: think it's a bad idea. And uh, and so that 717 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: you know, they have a way to engage and then 718 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: that we just overwhelmed them with numbers and then they 719 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: hopefully make the right decisions. So um, you know, really 720 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: that's that's that's how we work things, is you know, 721 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: is really globalizing grassroots. And you know sometimes um, that's 722 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: not you know, saying a petition or writing a letter 723 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: or making a phone call. That's you know, writing an 724 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: opinion editorial that gets placed in a paper. Um, that's 725 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: uh you know, um, you know, showing up at a 726 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: meeting like the gonna be a meeting on the Bounty Waters. 727 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: I think it's July thirteenth and Dulose and so we 728 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: know we're gonna mobilize a bunch of people to go 729 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: to that. So there's many ways for grassroot folks to 730 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: get involved. And then you know, once in a while 731 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: we take people out to d C. And I will 732 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: tell you that's my most fun is I've I've been 733 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: out there enough where it doesn't overwhelm me anymore. And 734 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: it's fun to watch somebody kind of let their eyes 735 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: get big when they're out in d C. Um. And 736 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: then for them to make an impact, you know, I mean, 737 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: they really do make an impact. So um, for me, 738 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty cool thing. And um, that's kind 739 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: of the way we work, I would say, I mean, 740 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: the some of the stuff that's you know, like I 741 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: guess pens all um have kind of management regimes if 742 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: they go under and and some of that's like they 743 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: go over travel management that's about every fifteen years, and 744 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: then resource management plans which are about every fifteen years. 745 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: And so that's like on the ground specific to that 746 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: specific forest and or you know, piece of bill and property. 747 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: And so then we engage people there where we you know, 748 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: look at kind of how forces being managed, and then 749 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: we comment on things that we think they should continue 750 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: to do, and then we comment on things on that 751 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: we think that they should do differently. And that's a 752 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: way for us to engage in that process as well. Um, 753 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: you know. And then and then you know, with the 754 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: with drones, the majority of that happened through phishing game 755 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: commissions and so you know, we were actively going to 756 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: meetings there and mobilizing people to write letters and stuff 757 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: to fishing game commissioners and then openly they made great 758 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: decisions on drones. A couple of those had to happen 759 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: at the state legislature and So that's you know, informing 760 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: people and then getting them to like committee meetings and 761 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: and and having them call their local elected officials. So um, 762 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: really like we're a mobilizer and then to one on 763 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: one kind of higher level meetings as well. So what's 764 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: that like when you go to d C or you 765 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: go and meet with these different agencies or commissions or whatnot? 766 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: I mean, do our are these people humoring us and 767 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: listening to you know, you guys, or what are the 768 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: other organizations out there? Or are they really taking what 769 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: we're saying to heart? Because one of the things that 770 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: worry about is, you know, as the number of hunters 771 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: and anglers decreased to some degree, is our influence waning? 772 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: Is that something you're seeing? It's a great question. So 773 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: I would say it's both. Right. There's some folks that 774 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: are just kind of humor in us and nod on 775 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: their head and then uh, you know, they don't listen 776 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: and they go to something else. Um, I think there's 777 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: folks that are are listening and our true champions and 778 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: I call out Senator staff now from your home state. 779 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: I mean, she has been nothing but a champion for 780 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: SPORTSS issues and especially as that relates to her position 781 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: on the Agriculture Committee, and you know the farm bill. 782 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: She's just been amazing. Senator Heinrich out into Mexico as 783 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: another Um, that's just amazing. UM. And I I think 784 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: you're you know, like honey numbers and fishing hunters, hunter 785 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: angler numbers been going down for the last few decades 786 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: and this last kind of you guys sial Life Service 787 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: study that they did, the numbers actually went up again. 788 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: But percentage wise, yeah, we're doing one And so does 789 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: that make me nervous for sure? Um? But you know, 790 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: we're we're a constituency that not only are we passionate about, um, 791 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, our outdoor heritage and kind of the pursuits 792 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: that we all love, we're also a huge economic driver. 793 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: You know. It's we're part of a sixty six billion 794 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: dollar outdoor economy is generated every year and you know, 795 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: if we take care of that, that's not only sustainable, 796 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: but I think that can grow. And so you know, 797 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: while percentage wise we might not be as big as 798 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: maybe we once were, UM, we still you know, we 799 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: still definitely have a seat at the table. And and 800 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: I think for those that are ignoring us, UM, you know, 801 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: we are h we're holding them accountable. And you know, 802 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: I like to say it like we're calling spades spades. 803 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 1: So you know, where folks are doing good things, Um, 804 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, we really you know call them out and 805 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: say thank you a lot of times. Look never here 806 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: thank you. They beat up all the time. And so 807 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: can we make a real conscious effort to say thank 808 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: you when they're doing the right thing and then on 809 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: the flip side of that, when they do the wrong thing? Uh, 810 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, we come out and we make sure that 811 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: they can understand that and what you hope you do 812 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: in that there's a little bit of pain and so 813 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: that pain, you know, just like when you're training a dog, 814 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: they don't want that pain. They want to they want 815 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, they want to get that treat. And so 816 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: you helped change their behavior through some of that pain. 817 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: And that's not something we really do lightly. And I 818 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: think you know, there's there's certain organizations that that's all 819 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: they do is cry wolf and beat b beat, beat beat, 820 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: And I don't think that they have as much influence 821 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: because everybody knows kind of where they are. Um from 822 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: our side, you know, I think people should know where 823 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: we are as public band advocates, but you know, we're 824 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: we're in this game to again thank you for doing 825 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: the right thing and then spank you we're doing the 826 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: wrong thing. And so um, you know, I We're not 827 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: one way or the other really um. And I think 828 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: people appreciate that about us, but also can hopefully learn 829 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: from that as well. Yeah, so kind of in relation 830 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: to to all that, one of the things that drives 831 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: me nuts almost more than anything else melts and me 832 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: and Randy Newberg have commiserated about this, and I imagine 833 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: it probably frustrates you to is this fact that conservation 834 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: and wildlife has become so partisan and you've got one 835 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: party that says they support sportsmen and they help us 836 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,479 Speaker 1: with certain things, and then you've got another party that 837 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: helps us with certain things but then might not necessarily 838 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: be pro sportsman's rights or firearm rights or different things 839 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: like that. How do you how do you deal with that? 840 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: How do we deal with that in a way in 841 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: a world? Right now, I don't I don't know what 842 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: to do anymore because I feel like I'm splitting down 843 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the Yeah I want this, but I 844 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: want that. Yeah, you know, I you know, we're five 845 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: and one C. Three and so you know, we don't 846 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: get involved in political campaigns. In fact, we're barred from 847 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: doing that and um. And so we're you know, straight 848 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: education and kind of influence. UM after somebody gets elected. 849 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: That said, I think that that your listeners and every 850 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: hunter and angler needs to know and needs to ask 851 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: questions of their elected officials on where they stand on issues. 852 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: And I think kind of you know, the n r 853 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: A has the Second Amendment, UM, and I've heard public 854 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: lands almost described as a second second amendment. Right, I 855 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: gets it that important and you know it's a litmus test. 856 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: And if you ask a you know, an elected official 857 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: or somebody that's running, do you support public lands? Uh, 858 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, and like their answer is very telling. And 859 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: I think we need that we need to educate ourselves 860 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: that way, and then folks need to get out there 861 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: and they need to vote, um, you know on those issues. 862 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: And I think you know, if we if we do that, UM, 863 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: I think that both parties come back more to the 864 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: center because that's where conservation is, that's where our history 865 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: comes from. I mean again, like you think about clean air, 866 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: clean water, that was Nixon and e s the Conendangered 867 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: Species Act, and that was done, you know, in a 868 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: Republican administration, but it was was overwhelming support from both 869 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: sides of the aisle. And and that's where we need 870 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: to get back to. And that's really where the country is. 871 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: And I think, um, you know, I wish that our 872 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: elected officials were too, and I think you know that 873 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: things have become more partisan and I'm not exactly sure why, 874 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: but they seem to be getting worse. And hopefully kind 875 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: of conservation and kind of our hunting and fishing heritage 876 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: is a place where we can work together. And we've 877 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: proven that on some on some cases, and I hope 878 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: that that becomes less of the exception of more of 879 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: the rule. Yeah. So speaking of the well speaking a 880 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: little bit, what you mentioned that you guys can't participate 881 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: in the politics and that type of issue, but education 882 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: is something that sounds like you can do. Do you 883 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: guys have plans to or can you at all speak 884 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: to what the public land policies the stated public land 885 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: policies are of the two major candidates right now for president, 886 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: Because I feel like it's like, what's real, you know 887 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: what some some one person says such and such one 888 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: person says such and such. I mean, can you speak 889 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: to what what do these two people stand for when 890 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: it comes to public laim? Is that something you can 891 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: speak to? Yeah, I mean I think that you know 892 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: the what we did something back when the primary was 893 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: in the Vada, the Reno Journal, which is a newspaper 894 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: out of Reno, UM asked the candidates some questions and um, 895 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: and so you know, both Hillary and uh Donald answered 896 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: those questions and we published those And so it's not 897 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: us you know, necessarily saying, um, we we're definitely not 898 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: saying hey, this one's better, this one's worse. We're just fighting. 899 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: And so we've done that, um, and we'll continue to 900 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: kind of play that piece. UM. One thing I'd love 901 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: for us to do, but we're just not kind of 902 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: we're not big enough right now, I think to do 903 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: just because it takes a pretty pure acculing and effort. 904 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: But we'll do will be to do like a scorecard. Yeah, 905 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: and so you know, solve this person vote on you 906 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: know these issues. Um, and you need to know that, 907 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: right and again not saying hey go vote for this person, 908 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: not vote for that person. People can make their own 909 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: kind of conclusion. But they're providing the information and I 910 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: definitely want to do. We just weren't set up do um, 911 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, this year, and I maybe that's something we 912 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: can engage in next year. You have to be we 913 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: have to be careful and how you do that and 914 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: as ever questions because you know, it can be seen 915 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: as looting and that's not something we want to do. 916 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: We would really want to be you know, more educational. 917 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: So UM for for us, you know, I think I 918 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: mean on the public lands of peace and in particular 919 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: uh um that you know, Trump kind of set himself aside, 920 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, apart from the other Republican candidates by saying 921 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: that you know, he wanted to make sure that you know, 922 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 1: public lands stay in public hands. UM. I will say 923 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: it that there was some folks involved in the campaign 924 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: UM that either misspoke, um or there was some confusion 925 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: within what that actually meant. But said that, man, we 926 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: owned too many public lands or too you know, too 927 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: many U. We have too many public lands and we 928 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: need to sell some of that and that would be 929 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 1: a good way for us to like, you know, work 930 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: on the national debt. So you know, I look forward 931 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: to kind of hearing more about his stance. I haven't 932 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: seen anything, um, about kind of of his uh platform, 933 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: but you know, on that specifically, so i'd love to 934 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: I guess I don't think it's out yet. UM. And 935 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: and then on on the Clinton side, UM, you know, 936 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: she came out really, you know, really strongly in supportive 937 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: of keeping the public lands and public hands. And then 938 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier the kind of sixty six billion dollars 939 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: UM you know I was generated from outdoor recreation every year. Um, 940 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: Hillary came out and said that she wants to double 941 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: that if she was elected. And I think that might 942 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: be political speak because I thing, you don't one, I 943 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: don't know if I want another six or forty six 944 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: billion dollars out on the ground recording where you and 945 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: I are. UM. But and I just don't think it's 946 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: like I don't I just don't think it's achievable. But 947 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, it does show you that I think she 948 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: she's committed to that to you know, that economy and 949 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: helping grow that economy which is sustainable. So UM, you know, 950 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: those two issues. I think that's good. I think you know, 951 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: we're looking at UM, we're looking at you know, other 952 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: issues as well, like clean water and and UM and 953 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,240 Speaker 1: how federal agencies are managed and and and the money 954 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: that goes into that and so um, you know, and 955 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: I can I can't. I mean, we're i'd say we're 956 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: looking into that piece. I'm just a week kind of 957 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: know where the candidates are and then you know, depending 958 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: on whoever wins, you know, we're gonna work with no 959 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: matter who wins, and so um, trying to figure out, uh, 960 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: you know what kind of uh we would present to 961 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: them after the election and so what you know, giving 962 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: them our priorities and saying hey, you know, this is 963 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,919 Speaker 1: what we would love for you to do, and then 964 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: working with them to do that, or you know, saying 965 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: that they're doing the opposite at that point. Yeah, So 966 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: to this kind of point when we're looking at the 967 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: two parties and this whole issue. Um. One of the 968 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: things that sometimes happens when a sportsman's organization or when 969 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: you when someone's an individual starts saying, hey, we should 970 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: be concerned about that mind that might impact honey effishing, 971 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: or I'm concerned about this, you know drill going in 972 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: or this timber harvest. Maybe you start hearing from some 973 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: people calling you a tree hugger and saying you're some 974 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: crazy green liberal something or other something or other, and 975 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: these things start getting thrown. I don't understand when it 976 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: became a bad thing for a hunter and angler to 977 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: care about our environment and the habit at where these 978 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: animals live, But somehow that's happening. And there's one specific 979 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: example of this I've seen in relation to what you 980 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: guys are doing. B h A. There's this. I can't 981 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,439 Speaker 1: remember when this happened, but I don't know. A couple 982 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: of years ago I posted something that you guys had mentioned, 983 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: a website link or something like that, and someone started 984 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: commenting on my posts with links to this website for 985 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: green decoys, saying back country hunters, anglers and all these guys, 986 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: they're not really for hunters and anglers their green decoys. 987 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: Can you speak to that a little bit? Yeah, um, 988 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your statement, Like you know that why 989 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: is carrying about the places we go hunting fish the 990 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: environment and like how they managed? How is that in 991 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form like anti hunting? That's that's 992 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: that's what hunters and anglers have been doing in this 993 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,760 Speaker 1: country really since this conservation ethics started in the lighteen 994 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, and you know, without hunters and anglers stepping 995 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: up for clean water, for clean air, for the Wilderness Act, 996 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: like this country is nowhere and and so this is 997 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: nothing new. I mean, like hunters have been stepping up. 998 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: And I think where this is coming from is this 999 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: really like a political kind of wedged tool, right, and 1000 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: that as as we become much more effective than what 1001 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: we do. And you know, we're not saying no September harvest, 1002 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: We're not saying no to oil and gas development. We're 1003 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: just talking about in a sustainable kind of responsible fashion. 1004 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: And um, I think some folks see the success that 1005 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,359 Speaker 1: we're having in that space and they're worried and so 1006 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: they're you know, they they are using you know, campaign 1007 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: political campaign tactics for you know, you trash somebody, um 1008 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: and try to hurt their credibility, um, in order to 1009 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: undermine what they're doing. And I think that's exactly what 1010 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean, the folks that are behind its 1011 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: green decoy site particular not to a K Street kind 1012 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: of lobbyist PR firm. I have a guy that's the 1013 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: head of it. His name is Richard Berman. He's been 1014 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, called Dr Evil by sixty minutes he um. 1015 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,760 Speaker 1: He advocated against mothers against droung driving. He told pregnant 1016 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: mothers it was okay to eat mercury latent fish. Um, 1017 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,320 Speaker 1: he's a bad dude. And he got caught on tape. 1018 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: I believe it was like a year and a half ago. 1019 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: He was at a meeting of oil executives in Colorado 1020 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: and he was there and he said, you know, you 1021 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: guys want to hire me because you know you're gonna 1022 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: you can either play nice and potentially lose, or you 1023 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,359 Speaker 1: can play dirty with me. And in every single time 1024 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: and was bragging about like these just dirty kind of 1025 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: lying tactics. And there was a oil and gas ceo 1026 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: in the room. Um that didn't like what he was hearing. 1027 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 1: So he got out of the cell phone, he pushed record, 1028 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: and he sent out to the New York Times. And 1029 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: so you know, there was a big exposure that was 1030 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,280 Speaker 1: done there. Now, Richard Berman and his kind of minions, 1031 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: they revel in that, you know, that's how they do 1032 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 1: their business, and so that's no press is bad press 1033 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,719 Speaker 1: for them, and and so you know, I think it's 1034 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: pretty laughable to be honest, Like, Um, when I first 1035 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: heard it, I was driving down the road and the 1036 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 1: front of mine called me from Louisiana, and uh, I 1037 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: took up the phone. He's like, have you seen the 1038 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: green decoy stuff? And I was all excited. I thought 1039 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: there was like a new you know line of decoys 1040 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: that I hadn't heard about, you know, waterfowl hunter. And 1041 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: they start telling me what it's about. I will tell 1042 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 1: you. You You know, they've gone a personally. Um, and you're 1043 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 1: not hurt. And I was pissed and I started thinking 1044 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: about it, and you know, really, we should wear this 1045 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: as a badge of honor. And we should wear this 1046 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: badge of honor because the only reason they're attacking us 1047 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: is because we are being successful in this space. And 1048 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: to be quite honest, you know, we're a young organization 1049 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: that not a lot of people know about and then 1050 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: gots changing every single day. But getting our name out there, um, 1051 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, helps people like start to look at who 1052 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: we are. And for those that don't, you know, that 1053 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: are so dogmatic that they can't really look at us 1054 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: for what we do. Uh, it's gonna add more fuel 1055 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 1: of their fire and they're gonna say, see, you guys 1056 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: are green. Um. But uh, you know, for the people 1057 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: that look at us, go to our website. I mean, 1058 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,439 Speaker 1: I challenge anybody, um that that thinks that we're quote 1059 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: unquote green Deco is look at any of the policies 1060 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,280 Speaker 1: that we're engaged in and tell me that that's anti 1061 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: hunting or anti fishing, and you just can't do it. 1062 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: Um and and so um there's that piece. And then 1063 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think the part that was most laughable 1064 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 1: to me is that Colina was kind of like fake hunters. 1065 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I used this the day when I 1066 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: was talking to somebody. Somebody's asked me about it. And 1067 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,919 Speaker 1: I just got back from fishing with my daughter, and 1068 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,839 Speaker 1: I think she had caught three brown trout and and 1069 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: and so we had kept them. And and she she 1070 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,359 Speaker 1: turns eight this uh this summer, and she really wants 1071 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: a knife, uh, you know, for for her birthday so 1072 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: that she can help gut fish and and and uh 1073 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: and and breast like out ducks. And and to me, 1074 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: like she's had more blood on her hands. And those 1075 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 1: guys over in d C will ever have you know, 1076 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: and they're pale white lobbyists from inside K Street. So 1077 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, to me, like that's laughable. And so now 1078 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: they're starting to change their tactics like, oh, I guess 1079 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 1: they are real hunters, but you know they care about 1080 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: the environment. I'm like, well, just like you said, like, 1081 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: because we care about the environment, we want to make 1082 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 1: sure we have places that have you know, elk and 1083 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: deer and and uh fish and ducks like shame on us, 1084 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: Like sorry about that, but that's what we do. And 1085 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: and I hope that you know, and they don't probably 1086 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,840 Speaker 1: understand the history of hunters. I mean, like, you know, 1087 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: we tax ourselves, we pay licenses that all go back 1088 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 1: to habitat and conservation and so, um, we have a 1089 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 1: long history of stepping up and we're not going to 1090 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,399 Speaker 1: shot away from that and so um, you know it's 1091 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: a it's an advance for sure. Um, but you know 1092 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep our head down and keep doing what 1093 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,399 Speaker 1: we do and not really pay attention to those guys. Yeah, 1094 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: absolutely into your point when you read that kind of stuff. 1095 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,879 Speaker 1: Just like you said, like, if I think of any 1096 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: single person I know who is a member of b 1097 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: h A, these are the most hardcore guys and girls 1098 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to hunting and fishing. I mean I 1099 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: don't know anyone at all who who who would fall 1100 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: underneath that fake hunter or anti hunter, anti fishermen um 1101 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: by any means at all. So, like you said, it's 1102 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: pretty laughable, but it does have to be a little 1103 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: bit frustrating when you see that kind of stuff popping up. 1104 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,319 Speaker 1: And for those who are uninformed when they see that, um, 1105 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a bummer that that's out there. 1106 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,839 Speaker 1: But to your point, badge of honor, you guys are 1107 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: doing a good enough job you get noticed. So yeah, 1108 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,359 Speaker 1: and you know, I think getting back to your point, 1109 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: like I told you that when I used to work 1110 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: for National Wealth Deafitation, I bring in people from b 1111 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,560 Speaker 1: h A because they're badasses, and then they're out there 1112 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, And and you know, this 1113 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: isn't like that they do once a year to talk 1114 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,720 Speaker 1: about the cocktail party. It's like a way of life 1115 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: for them, and and so yeah, I mean it's we're 1116 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: we're we're are blessed with a really awesome membership, and 1117 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna keep doing what we do. Absolutely, 1118 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: So we've kind of touched on a little bit as 1119 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: we've gone through, and I want to talk about a 1120 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,240 Speaker 1: number of the different issues you brought up at the beginning, 1121 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: but I think increct me if I'm wrong, but I 1122 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: think probably the number one issue on most people's minds 1123 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: right now is this whole topic of the transfer or 1124 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: sale of public lands. Um. And we've we've talked about 1125 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: it several times in the podcast before we had Randy 1126 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,879 Speaker 1: on the show to talk about it. We we've talked 1127 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: with Fostburg about it. UM. But can you give us 1128 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: an update it on where things stand now in regards 1129 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: to this whole movement. You know, we haven't talked about 1130 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: since the whole Bundy deal. We haven't talked about since 1131 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,880 Speaker 1: some recent votes have happened here just a couple of 1132 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: days ago. Can you tell us where things stand now 1133 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: in what what that means for us? Yeah, I mean 1134 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,879 Speaker 1: I think, uh, I mean, I think the Bundy deal, 1135 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 1: as tragic as that was, UM, I think it awakened 1136 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: people that you know, we all are public landowners, and 1137 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,799 Speaker 1: you know they think one of the things that they 1138 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,360 Speaker 1: said is you know we're gonna return this land of 1139 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 1: the people. Well, who does that mean it belongs to 1140 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,439 Speaker 1: all of us? Right now? What that means? That goes 1141 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: to you know a certain group of people and and 1142 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: that you know they want to extract the resources from 1143 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,359 Speaker 1: that refuge, at least at that point. So I think 1144 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,319 Speaker 1: that really showed some you know, of the hands of 1145 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,440 Speaker 1: that movement and you know, well you have the kind 1146 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: of extremists, you know with the Bundy bunch. Um, you know, 1147 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,280 Speaker 1: the folks that are behind them are big money people. 1148 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 1: And that's what I think is so ridiculous about this 1149 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: whole thing is that you know, it's being sold as 1150 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, local control and um, you know, more opportunities 1151 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: for people. But the people that are behind this, that's 1152 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,959 Speaker 1: not what they're thinking. Like they're either licking their chops 1153 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,920 Speaker 1: to have their own piece of property for themselves. We're 1154 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,840 Speaker 1: looking to exploit it. And after that's done, you know, 1155 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 1: the fish and wild life aren't there. So um, I 1156 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,959 Speaker 1: think that helps to be totally honest. Um, it's really 1157 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: tragic that somebody had to lose their life and that 1158 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, we had to spend millions of dollars on 1159 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: the standoff. But I also think that it brought more 1160 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: attention to the issue. Um. You know, one of the 1161 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: things that people do talk about is that this is 1162 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: such an extreme kind of thing, that this would never happen, 1163 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: and that you know, this is just kind of some 1164 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: crazy people that are talking about it. And two things 1165 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 1: I would say about that is that, you know, when 1166 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt set aside the greatest state that we have, UM, 1167 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 1: he didn't do that without detractors. In fact, there was 1168 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: senators from my home state of Montana and Idaho that 1169 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: fought him vietnamly about it, um and openly made it 1170 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,480 Speaker 1: so he couldn't you know, set aside any more national 1171 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: force because they wanted to, you know, exploit these resources. 1172 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 1: And you know, again like we've have plenty of timber 1173 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: that gets taken off of public lands. UM, but it's 1174 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: done sustainably. And UM. So those people were around when 1175 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: you set that that land aside, and then about every 1176 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 1: ten and fifteen years it seemed like they raised their 1177 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: head again. And that's where we're at right now. And um, 1178 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, for those who don't think it's real, we 1179 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 1: had two votes in the Natural Resources Committee yesterday in 1180 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: the House, and there was one bill that would let 1181 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 1: any single state that had federally managed public in their state, Uh, 1182 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: just take those take two million of those over like 1183 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: whatever they want. And um that that passed out of the 1184 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: the Natural Resources Committee, Uh, mostly on party line votes. 1185 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:46,120 Speaker 1: There was one Republican in particular the cross party lines 1186 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,640 Speaker 1: represented Zinkie here from Montana, which we definitely appreciate. Um. 1187 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: But you know that has an opportunity now to to 1188 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 1: go to the House floor and or be attached to 1189 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 1: some you know, must pass piece of legislation um when 1190 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,479 Speaker 1: you know is a real thing. Um. The other bill, 1191 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,360 Speaker 1: it didn't give outright transfer of title of the land. 1192 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: But what it did is it gave the ability for 1193 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 1: states to take over two nine thousand acres in their 1194 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: states of public land and then manage them. Not for 1195 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: multiple use, which is what are you know, federally managed 1196 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: public lands are for you know, for service and BLM lands, 1197 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 1: but for the sole purpose of of of raising money. 1198 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: And and so when I hear the sole purpose of 1199 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 1: raising money, read the flights go off on my head 1200 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: right away. And that's either extracted industry, which means you know, 1201 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 1: rape in the pillage um potentially um to where that 1202 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,840 Speaker 1: you know habitats not there anymore. Uh. And or that 1203 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: could mean you know, if they want to if if 1204 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: they want effishing to go on there, that means they're 1205 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: probably gonna lease it out to somebody. And you and 1206 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't have access, but you know, the people with means, 1207 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, the the billionaires of the world, like that 1208 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 1: would be their own private kind of place. And so um, 1209 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: that bill passed out of the Mental Resources Committee as well. 1210 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Unfortunately that same um Montana senator voted for that one. 1211 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: And so both of these now are pieces that you know, 1212 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 1: can move to the floor, can be attached, and they're 1213 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: scarier real things. UM I do. I will say that 1214 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: there's not many legislative days left. I think it's like 1215 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,240 Speaker 1: fifteen or less um before the election, and so they'd 1216 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: be hard pressed to get something done. Um. That said, 1217 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's gonna be mos pass pieces of legislation 1218 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: that they can. They could potentially attach this stuff too, 1219 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: and there will be a lame duck session you know 1220 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 1: after the election, you know, before the new Congress takes place, 1221 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,560 Speaker 1: which you know lots of times, there's a lot of 1222 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: movement there. So these are real things. And you know 1223 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: when when when I when I hear people say, oh, 1224 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,440 Speaker 1: this is just some extremists, I'm like, here's an example, 1225 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: here's an example. Here's an example where this is happening 1226 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: right now, and uh, and hopefully you change their mind. Um, 1227 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,000 Speaker 1: and so you know, I think for folks right now 1228 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: out that are listening and want you know, are pissed 1229 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: about these two bills going making a true committee, like 1230 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,480 Speaker 1: you can call up your congressman right now and ask them, uh, 1231 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, to make sure that these things don't see 1232 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 1: the light of day on the on the House floor. Um, 1233 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,640 Speaker 1: and you know, become reality. So that's something you can 1234 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: do right now. And I think, I like, um, like 1235 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,040 Speaker 1: the there's a switchboard number, and I know this is 1236 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 1: like a like that that folks might not be able 1237 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: to get this number down or whatever, but it's it's 1238 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,320 Speaker 1: two o two two two four three one two one 1239 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,120 Speaker 1: and and that number will get you to the switchboard. 1240 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Then you ask for your local representative and now I'll 1241 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: get you right to them and you can make that 1242 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 1: call today. And um, I mean I would encourage people 1243 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: to do that. And and really the messages is that, um, 1244 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 1: we don't we want to keep public lands in public 1245 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,959 Speaker 1: hands and say no to both of those bills. Yeah, 1246 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,360 Speaker 1: this is this is like you said, it's kind of scary. 1247 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Like I've you know, had heard about this for a 1248 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: long time. I have been advocating for the fact that 1249 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,320 Speaker 1: we need to make sure this movement doesn't build up 1250 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 1: too much steam. But in the back of my mind, 1251 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,640 Speaker 1: I always thought, you know, they're gonna hear us, They're 1252 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna hear the sportsman and all the other outdoor recreators. 1253 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people making a fuss 1254 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 1: about this on our side of this issue, and I'm 1255 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 1: kind of shocked that these things are still moving forward 1256 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,440 Speaker 1: given all of that. UM concerned that we're raising because 1257 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I feel like there is a strong movement on the Sportsman, 1258 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: on the outdoor recreational lists, all of us. I feel 1259 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 1: like there's a strong movement building there. I'm kind of 1260 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,439 Speaker 1: shocked and concerned that this type of thing is still 1261 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,160 Speaker 1: moving forward in a fashion like that. Is that? I mean, 1262 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,040 Speaker 1: that's kind of concerning, isn't it. Oh, it's super concerned. 1263 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 1: And the reason and that's happening is because the amount 1264 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 1: of money is behind this effort. Right Like when you 1265 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,200 Speaker 1: think about like the billionaires, they're looking their chops right 1266 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,840 Speaker 1: now and either on how to make more money, you know, 1267 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: through exploitation or to have their own you know, honey, 1268 01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: holl Like, no joke, they're out there. I mean there's 1269 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,240 Speaker 1: there's a couple of brothers that are fracking billionaire kind 1270 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,840 Speaker 1: of tycoons from Texas that here in the last decade 1271 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: have now become the number one man owner in Montana. 1272 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 1: And they're buying private land and that's you know, that's 1273 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: great for them, um and you know, and they have 1274 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,560 Speaker 1: every right to do that. But if public land was 1275 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: put on the chopping block, who do you think is 1276 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: gonna buy that? You know? And and it's them, um 1277 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: or it's like these big companies and and to me, 1278 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: that's why this is this is going on, and you know, 1279 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,760 Speaker 1: we need to continue to step up as a community. 1280 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you mentioned kind of the outdoor 1281 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,960 Speaker 1: wreck um. I feel like there a voice and it's 1282 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: just kind of starting to come into their own. So 1283 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 1: the kayakers, the mountain bikers, the um hikers, and you know, 1284 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: they have a have a kind of a t RCP 1285 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: like organization out in DC called the Outdoor Alliance, and 1286 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: so I think, you know, they're becoming more and more 1287 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: active and we're working with them closely. Then there's an 1288 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 1: organization called the Outdoor Industry Alliance that that's all the 1289 01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,840 Speaker 1: kind manufacturers in the business side of the outdoor economy. 1290 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,960 Speaker 1: Our outdoor kind of community, and so you know, they're 1291 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,840 Speaker 1: starting to step up and and I, you know, I 1292 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:14,000 Speaker 1: gotta think that we will win, but we can't let 1293 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,440 Speaker 1: off the gas. And you know, and I you know, 1294 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,080 Speaker 1: I talked about how Roosevelt had his own detractors, and 1295 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,360 Speaker 1: since then, you know, we've had stewards that have stepped 1296 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 1: up for you know, over a hundred years. And I 1297 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: feel like, right now, at this time, like it's our 1298 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,400 Speaker 1: jobs to do our parts to make sure that, you know, 1299 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 1: we keep these public lands in public hands and so 1300 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,360 Speaker 1: that you know, my daughter and her you know, kids 1301 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 1: that she ever had kids have something to fight for it, 1302 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,240 Speaker 1: because this is not going to go away. Like I mean, 1303 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: these guys there's so much money at stake and there's 1304 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,080 Speaker 1: so much money behind it that they're not going to 1305 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,920 Speaker 1: go away. And so it's you know, it's our part 1306 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 1: to kind of do our best job being stewarts right now. 1307 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: But you know, we've got to make sure that those 1308 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,880 Speaker 1: next generations care about this stuff too. You know, one 1309 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,280 Speaker 1: thing I just kind of popped in my head as 1310 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,959 Speaker 1: we're talking about this is the that one of the 1311 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of speaking points that some that are in favor 1312 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,440 Speaker 1: of this have raised continuously is the fact that, oh, 1313 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 1: we just want to transfer the land to the states 1314 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,600 Speaker 1: because the states know the land better, they can better manage, etcetera, etcetera. 1315 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 1: And um, we've talked about this before, but I know, 1316 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 1: I think some recent studies or articles have come out 1317 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: talking about some examples of states that have maybe not 1318 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,680 Speaker 1: done that with their land, and there is examples of 1319 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,480 Speaker 1: how the states have been selling off their land. Can 1320 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 1: you speak to any of that? I mean, what are 1321 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,400 Speaker 1: there any examples of this type of thing going the 1322 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: way that we would not want it to go, where 1323 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 1: state has public land and either is not managing it 1324 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 1: well or start selling it off. I think Idaho was 1325 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 1: the example i'd seen, So Idaho. Um, I mean so 1326 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,240 Speaker 1: that Idah originally was granted like three point six million acres. 1327 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,400 Speaker 1: They's sold out a million of that, so that's a third. Um. 1328 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Let's see. A good one would be Nevada. Right. People 1329 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: talk about how there's a lot of uh, there's not 1330 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,680 Speaker 1: much private land and that, well they were when they 1331 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,520 Speaker 1: became a state. They got two point seven million acres. 1332 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: They got three thousand acres left like so again like 1333 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: three thousand um. New Mexico is another great example, like 1334 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: thirteen million acres and now they have nine million left. 1335 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: And so there is tons of precedent where they're selling 1336 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: public land. And you know what happens is that these states, um, 1337 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 1: they don't they don't have the resources to manage them. 1338 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: And and so what they do, they're faced with a 1339 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,560 Speaker 1: couple of options. They can raise taxes, and you know 1340 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,280 Speaker 1: the last politician that did that is not a politician anymore, right, 1341 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 1: Like nobody goes out and said I'm gonna go raise 1342 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: taxes and and so I don't think that's really an option. Um. 1343 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,880 Speaker 1: The next one is that they can exploit them, which 1344 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,640 Speaker 1: they're doing already. Um, and you know they don't necessarily 1345 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: aren't places that that we will all want to go 1346 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: hunt and fish. And the third one is that they 1347 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,680 Speaker 1: that they sell them and and they've proven that they 1348 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 1: they're doing that, and they're trying to do that in 1349 01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,720 Speaker 1: your home state right now. And um, you know, for me, 1350 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's state land, and I mean and 1351 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 1: for your listeners that do hunt and fish on state land. 1352 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,640 Speaker 1: A lot of the times those are wildlife management areas 1353 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and you know, and and the are specifically to protect 1354 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,960 Speaker 1: the habitat and then provide opportunities for you and I. 1355 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,480 Speaker 1: And those are a small portion of the lands of 1356 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,200 Speaker 1: the state's actually manage And when you think about this piece, 1357 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 1: the only way the states could afford these new lands 1358 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,040 Speaker 1: and the management of them, UM would be not to 1359 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: have them as wild that management areas, but really have 1360 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,439 Speaker 1: them as you know, money generators and um. And that's 1361 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,680 Speaker 1: where we lose every time. And and you know, I 1362 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,880 Speaker 1: think you know, they don't consider road maintenance, they don't 1363 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,400 Speaker 1: consider I mean, we talked about fire a little bit earlier, 1364 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,080 Speaker 1: like what's your what's your you know, your path forward 1365 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,320 Speaker 1: on a dressing the fire, and and really they don't 1366 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,160 Speaker 1: have a path forward um or they say, oh, the 1367 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,120 Speaker 1: federal government will just they'll pay for it and then 1368 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: we'll do other stuff. And that, man, to me, it 1369 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,280 Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. So um, you know they want 1370 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,520 Speaker 1: local control, you know, quote unquote local control because they 1371 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,439 Speaker 1: want to exploit it. And that's just really where it's happen. 1372 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: That's what it seems like. So in the future, I'm 1373 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,680 Speaker 1: kind of curious what I guess two things. First, what 1374 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: is your vision for where b h A is going 1375 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 1: to be maybe five years from now ten years from now, 1376 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: I guess let's go with that first. What's the future 1377 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:27,439 Speaker 1: look like for h um? So I think the future 1378 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,280 Speaker 1: for me, you know, we're we already talked about how 1379 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,839 Speaker 1: we brought in chapters this this last year and in 1380 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,680 Speaker 1: Michigan and Wisconsin, we're about ready to bring one on 1381 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,400 Speaker 1: in Texas, which is super excised about in a place 1382 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,879 Speaker 1: of only two public land and you know, they're fired 1383 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,800 Speaker 1: up because they know what they don't have, and they 1384 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,599 Speaker 1: know that that they want to kind of you know, 1385 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,479 Speaker 1: change the the dialogue that's happening in Texas. You know 1386 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,960 Speaker 1: that that the majority of that is like let's let's 1387 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,600 Speaker 1: let's get it and you know, sell it to the 1388 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,840 Speaker 1: highest bid. Or so where we want to be, I'd 1389 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: say chapters you know, in all fifties states, because that 1390 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,240 Speaker 1: provides us an opportunity to be more effective at a 1391 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,640 Speaker 1: federal level and more effective at a state level. So 1392 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: that would be the first one. Um, I think, uh, 1393 01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Like like for me, it's like really diversifying our money. Um, 1394 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, we have many different sources of money right now, 1395 01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,800 Speaker 1: but I'd love for our membership to grow. And so 1396 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,200 Speaker 1: that's like, you know, it's a it's a major contributor 1397 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 1: right now. UM, but I'd like that to be like 1398 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,559 Speaker 1: the major contributor um not only for just the money 1399 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,679 Speaker 1: for the organization and consistent money, but also um that 1400 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 1: you have more cloud when you have more members and 1401 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,680 Speaker 1: and you know and and so um growing that you know, 1402 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,280 Speaker 1: it's nothing but good for us and and so that's 1403 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:46,680 Speaker 1: I think that's where I'd like to be at. You know, 1404 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,800 Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think we talked about this for 1405 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,680 Speaker 1: a minute, but like I think having a h A 1406 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,280 Speaker 1: be a leader within a sportsman space, which we're you know, 1407 01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,479 Speaker 1: getting there, but even more of a leader, but then 1408 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,560 Speaker 1: also being able to work with kind of some nontraditional 1409 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,559 Speaker 1: partners like the outdoor right community. I think that's um 1410 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: something that I'd like to see even more solidified partnerships there. UM. 1411 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,880 Speaker 1: And then i'd really you know, I wanna I want 1412 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 1: us to be like represent kind of what America looks like. 1413 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,360 Speaker 1: And so that means uh, more women involved organizations. I 1414 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,960 Speaker 1: think we're doing a you know, an old kay job 1415 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,680 Speaker 1: at that right now. I mean we're obviously we're very 1416 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,240 Speaker 1: welcoming to women, UM, but we could have more in 1417 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: our ranks. And so I think that's something where I'd 1418 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,479 Speaker 1: like us to be. UM. And then you know, we 1419 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,840 Speaker 1: the Latino community, UM, the Black community, like like all 1420 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,600 Speaker 1: those are kind of other, kind of different minority communities 1421 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 1: that are in the United States and make us who 1422 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 1: we are as as a country. I'd like to have 1423 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,880 Speaker 1: them involved in our organization too, and UM, and so 1424 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,720 Speaker 1: I think I'd probably stopped there, But those are the 1425 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,360 Speaker 1: things that I would call out and kind of where 1426 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,040 Speaker 1: I'd like us to be in the five or ten years. 1427 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,720 Speaker 1: That's awesome. So for for my for our listeners, got 1428 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,519 Speaker 1: to be I gotta measures a lot of people now 1429 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,840 Speaker 1: listening to this that this resonates with because when I 1430 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,760 Speaker 1: first heard about what you guys are doing, it really 1431 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,120 Speaker 1: resonated with me. So for those people that want to 1432 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,000 Speaker 1: get involved, sure they can become a member. But what 1433 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,479 Speaker 1: if in some of these other states, I've got people 1434 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,639 Speaker 1: that want to be part of a chapter, they want 1435 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,719 Speaker 1: to have a local presence. How does someone go about 1436 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,400 Speaker 1: helping a chapter become formed in their state if you 1437 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,880 Speaker 1: guys don't already have one, I mean, do they just 1438 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,280 Speaker 1: need to become members or can they become members and 1439 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,160 Speaker 1: call you guys or shoot your emails? Say hey, I 1440 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,040 Speaker 1: want to help start chapter in South Carolina or whatever. 1441 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,040 Speaker 1: How does that work? Yeah? So, um, you know like 1442 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:38,080 Speaker 1: they're UM for like we kind of there's two main 1443 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 1: main factors I think was starting in chapters. So the 1444 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,000 Speaker 1: first one is it's just like a good membership base 1445 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,040 Speaker 1: and and so making sure that you know that it's 1446 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,599 Speaker 1: not just a couple of people you know, in that state, 1447 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,360 Speaker 1: and we have members in all fifty states. UM. I 1448 01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,800 Speaker 1: think that Texas chapter there that the Texas folks, I 1449 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,479 Speaker 1: think they have like seventy eight or so members down 1450 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,360 Speaker 1: in Texas right now. So we feel like that's you know, 1451 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 1: enough people to UM to draw kind of a leadership 1452 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,640 Speaker 1: team out of. And and so that would be the 1453 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,479 Speaker 1: second piece is like really good leadership. So membership numbers 1454 01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,360 Speaker 1: are important, but leadership is even more important than that. 1455 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,559 Speaker 1: And and so I think I can't remember the number 1456 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,000 Speaker 1: of volunteers that you guys have on the board. We're 1457 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,040 Speaker 1: north we're north of ten, is that right? I mean, 1458 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,400 Speaker 1: how many people on the boarding in Michigan. I think 1459 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,280 Speaker 1: we've got twelve board members? Okay, so twelve people. They're 1460 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,280 Speaker 1: geographically distributed UM in some way and bring a lot 1461 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,400 Speaker 1: of different talents, but are all like from what I 1462 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 1: can tell, and I'm you know, I'm looking forward to 1463 01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:38,800 Speaker 1: what I can travel there and will bet all you 1464 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 1: guys face to face, but like from what I can 1465 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,720 Speaker 1: tell different phone calls and just your engagement, UM, either 1466 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,559 Speaker 1: through social media where you've done the state legislature like 1467 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,439 Speaker 1: I knew it when it happened, but you guys are 1468 01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: proving that you are leaders and so. UM. You know, 1469 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,599 Speaker 1: if you want to help start a state chapter, UM, 1470 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Partly that's like picking up the phone and saying, Hey, 1471 01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm a member and I want to start take state 1472 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,640 Speaker 1: chapter and then we can talk to you kind of 1473 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,720 Speaker 1: how we get that done. And UM, you know it's 1474 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,160 Speaker 1: increasing membership and then you know, finding leadership and by 1475 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,120 Speaker 1: picking up that phone and wanting to do more. UM, 1476 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,599 Speaker 1: that's that that's that goes back to that Roosevelt quote, 1477 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,000 Speaker 1: like you're taking that next step and that's a leadership 1478 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,519 Speaker 1: to me every single time. UM and so, and I 1479 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,000 Speaker 1: think folks looking to this you don't have a chapter 1480 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,040 Speaker 1: in your state, we'd love to talk to you kind 1481 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,320 Speaker 1: of about that piece. And you know I've mentioned a 1482 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: couple of Texas of Carolina's um are are talking about 1483 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,440 Speaker 1: it right now? Are folks in Carolinas. Um, these conversations 1484 01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,759 Speaker 1: are happening. And the more that we have people reaching 1485 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: out to us saying that they want to become part 1486 01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,720 Speaker 1: of a chapter leadership and we know that we have 1487 01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, leaders in that state and that we can 1488 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of have critical mass and go from there. So um, 1489 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,080 Speaker 1: kind of a long wait a way of saying about it, 1490 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,120 Speaker 1: but I think, you know, if you want to get engaged, like, 1491 01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:50,720 Speaker 1: give us a call and we'll figure out how we 1492 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,360 Speaker 1: get that done. I might be a little bit biased, 1493 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: but I feel like this audience, the wire dot nation, 1494 01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,560 Speaker 1: like these are a lot of serious hunters and anglers 1495 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,240 Speaker 1: and outdoorsmen who appreciate what we have and who I 1496 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,760 Speaker 1: know can step up and will step up. So I 1497 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,479 Speaker 1: have confidence in all of you guys and girls out 1498 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,519 Speaker 1: there right now that some of you will do this 1499 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,519 Speaker 1: because I think there's there's such an opportunity and I 1500 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 1: think a lot of you guys are probably just as 1501 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,519 Speaker 1: passionate as me and Land and so many other hunters 1502 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and anglers out there about what we can do, and 1503 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,400 Speaker 1: we you know, work to preserve these public lands and 1504 01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,040 Speaker 1: fair chase and access to hunting fish. Um, it's you know, 1505 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,840 Speaker 1: it's it's central to who we are. So I don't 1506 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,680 Speaker 1: know why we won't try to do everything we can 1507 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,000 Speaker 1: to make sure it's around in the future for our 1508 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,599 Speaker 1: children and grandchildren and that kind of thing. So here's 1509 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,120 Speaker 1: my next Yeah, so here's my next question. Land. Other 1510 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 1: than you know, getting involved with b h A, We've 1511 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: talked a couple of times about that, taking that next step, 1512 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,320 Speaker 1: As Teddy said, what would be a couple examples of 1513 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,320 Speaker 1: things that people can do if they want to take 1514 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: that next step other than just you know, becoming a 1515 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,160 Speaker 1: member or maybe leading in a chapter or something like that. 1516 01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,240 Speaker 1: What can we do in our daily lives in this 1517 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:04,120 Speaker 1: in this world, I think one of the biggest things 1518 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,960 Speaker 1: that that folks can do is start talking to other people. 1519 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:13,439 Speaker 1: And you know, right now, I think the biggest threat 1520 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm hunting and angling is this complacency. And folks, we're 1521 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,680 Speaker 1: living in pretty darn good times, you know. I mean 1522 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,559 Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federation has been highly successful, um and 1523 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,519 Speaker 1: has brought turkeys. You know, they're everywhere now in this 1524 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,000 Speaker 1: country that that's amazing. There's places you know that I 1525 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,040 Speaker 1: grew up that never had a Turkey that now we're 1526 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,960 Speaker 1: chock full and so we have you know, the same 1527 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,160 Speaker 1: thing can be said about white tailed deer elk populations 1528 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,000 Speaker 1: that are at all time hive. You know, the list 1529 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of goes on and on and on, and so 1530 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,439 Speaker 1: with that kind of success that we have or that 1531 01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,960 Speaker 1: we're enjoying right now, like that we're in the you know, 1532 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,920 Speaker 1: those good old days, I feel like right now like 1533 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,240 Speaker 1: people are complacent and they don't understand that, like, really, 1534 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,360 Speaker 1: we could lose that in the generation, and so I 1535 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,760 Speaker 1: think people need to talk, Like I think one of 1536 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,519 Speaker 1: the biggest things that people can talk about is the 1537 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,800 Speaker 1: people about the heritage that we have, how awesome it is. 1538 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,960 Speaker 1: But the only reason it is awesome is because people 1539 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,200 Speaker 1: have been stepping up. So I think that'd be, you know, 1540 01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,439 Speaker 1: part of that conversation. The next conversation, I think is 1541 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,439 Speaker 1: that you know, this public landowner of piece is that 1542 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, we are all public landowners, and every single 1543 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,760 Speaker 1: person has a stake in these public lands. And you know, 1544 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,320 Speaker 1: if you're from New York City and don't ever feel 1545 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,080 Speaker 1: like you're ever going to get out of the city, um, 1546 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,439 Speaker 1: but want to some day and go recreate on public lands, 1547 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,479 Speaker 1: you own a piece of America and so you should 1548 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,320 Speaker 1: really care about that. And so I think that the 1549 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,800 Speaker 1: conversation is the first one. Um. And then you know 1550 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,160 Speaker 1: it's this, uh, get informed, you know, I mean, I 1551 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,880 Speaker 1: think we can provide we'll give you information um and 1552 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,920 Speaker 1: uh and and really um, you know, help you make 1553 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,360 Speaker 1: informed decisions. But I'd be you know, i'd be real 1554 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,479 Speaker 1: shortsighted to say that we're the only source of information, 1555 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,400 Speaker 1: like get out there, like the internet. You know, it's 1556 01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:59,840 Speaker 1: a crazy place and you can learn a lot of 1557 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,400 Speaker 1: things and um, and I would say, get out there 1558 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: and uh and learn that. Um. And then when you're 1559 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,120 Speaker 1: doing this learning, don't just learn about what's going on 1560 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,599 Speaker 1: right now, learn a little bit about our history and 1561 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,200 Speaker 1: we get anger. It could be much better served if 1562 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: we knew more about our history because then you kind 1563 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 1: of know where we came from, you know, kind of 1564 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,920 Speaker 1: what we've done, which one is really inspiring, but also 1565 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:31,000 Speaker 1: it shows that that you know that we can do it. 1566 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,040 Speaker 1: And and and so I think you know that piece 1567 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: on education, and the last piece that I would say 1568 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,000 Speaker 1: that people can do is is really that civic engagement. 1569 01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,160 Speaker 1: And so you know, you know, don't just become a member. 1570 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,479 Speaker 1: Don't just tell your friends about us, but really make 1571 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,679 Speaker 1: a phone call to an elected official, you know, show 1572 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,760 Speaker 1: up at a meeting, you know, and talk about how 1573 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,840 Speaker 1: your local refuge is going to be managed. Um. Like 1574 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,400 Speaker 1: those kind of individual efforts, they go a long way. 1575 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,439 Speaker 1: And something I haven't said tonight that want to say 1576 01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,120 Speaker 1: now is that you know a lot of people feel 1577 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 1: like their voice doesn't count and so why should I, 1578 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, why should I do anything? And you know, 1579 01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,360 Speaker 1: why should I step up? And you know, I talked 1580 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,639 Speaker 1: to elected officials a lot and some of ie, no more, 1581 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,000 Speaker 1: you are better than than others. Once you can have 1582 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,320 Speaker 1: these conversations like that that they'll be really kind of 1583 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:19,920 Speaker 1: honest with you and you ask them about this kind 1584 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,800 Speaker 1: of grassroots piece. And so one of the things that 1585 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,200 Speaker 1: asked me is like, when you guys get a phone call, 1586 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,600 Speaker 1: was that me? And they're like, well, you know, we 1587 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,080 Speaker 1: think that represents a hundred other people, And so you 1588 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,240 Speaker 1: think about you know, making you know, let's say now 1589 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,080 Speaker 1: you made that call and that's you're representing a hundred people. Well, 1590 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,840 Speaker 1: you got your buddy and another buddy in the call, 1591 01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 1: so now you're you know, like a numbers are jumping 1592 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,200 Speaker 1: up right away. And um, and so your voice does count, 1593 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,280 Speaker 1: and you know, your accounts that elected official level, and 1594 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,920 Speaker 1: it definitely accounts at the kind of administrative level where 1595 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,280 Speaker 1: you're making comments on plans and um. So at the 1596 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,839 Speaker 1: last piece I would say is step up and engage. 1597 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,879 Speaker 1: And um. You know, I think sometimes at the process 1598 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,120 Speaker 1: for people, sometimes people don't want to know jump in 1599 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,280 Speaker 1: with both feet, and I totally understand that. Um. But 1600 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,080 Speaker 1: as you learn more about kind of our heritage, what 1601 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 1: we have now and what's at stake, I almost guarantee 1602 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,640 Speaker 1: you that you want to get involved because you know, 1603 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,000 Speaker 1: like you say that the folks on your that are 1604 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:22,280 Speaker 1: listening right now, they're you know, very passionate and very committed. Um, 1605 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, hunters and anglers and and and I just 1606 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,519 Speaker 1: I just can't I know that that that folks are 1607 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,760 Speaker 1: gonna want to get involved because they care so much 1608 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,960 Speaker 1: about this stuff. Yeah. Absolutely, So, speaking of making phone calls, 1609 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,479 Speaker 1: can you share that number again, that switchboard number, because 1610 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,599 Speaker 1: that's great. There's a simple number. You call that number 1611 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,919 Speaker 1: and you it sounds like you just mentioned which representative 1612 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,519 Speaker 1: you're trying to get ahold of, and your patched through 1613 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,160 Speaker 1: the right. Yeah, it's a US capital switchboard. So it's 1614 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:51,280 Speaker 1: two oh two two to four three one two one. 1615 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,960 Speaker 1: And I think the simple message of you know, like 1616 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,080 Speaker 1: make sure that anything you anything you vote on that 1617 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,679 Speaker 1: you're keeping look lands in public hands. Yeah, that seems 1618 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,760 Speaker 1: like a pretty simple, quick little thing each one of 1619 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,840 Speaker 1: us could do right now to to probably make a 1620 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,200 Speaker 1: really positive difference, because, like you said, if one phone 1621 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,240 Speaker 1: call represents probably about a hundred people in their eyes, 1622 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,280 Speaker 1: holy smokes, can you imagine if a hundred of us 1623 01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,920 Speaker 1: did that right now or a thousand of us. That's dude, 1624 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,200 Speaker 1: that's powerful, It's huge, you know. And I mean, at 1625 01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,839 Speaker 1: the end of the day we all need to remember 1626 01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 1: is that these are politicians and they want to be 1627 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,040 Speaker 1: elected for another term. And so the more that they 1628 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,160 Speaker 1: hear on a certain issue, the more they're going to 1629 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,960 Speaker 1: pay attention to that issue because it has to do 1630 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,720 Speaker 1: with their reelection. And so when you step up and 1631 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,200 Speaker 1: you make that phone call, um, they will listen. That's awesome. 1632 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,280 Speaker 1: So one of the thing you mentioned a few minutes 1633 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,360 Speaker 1: ago was the importance of understanding our history as hunters 1634 01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 1: and conservationists, and I agree. I've been doing a lot 1635 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,160 Speaker 1: of reading and trying to better understand the history myself. 1636 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,719 Speaker 1: But I'm curious, do you have any resources you'd recommend 1637 01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,679 Speaker 1: our books or anything to help someone learn more about 1638 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:04,280 Speaker 1: that history? Great, great, um questions. So we actually have um, 1639 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,800 Speaker 1: some interns in our office right now, and so they've 1640 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: been thirsty for that stuff too. UM. I'd say like 1641 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,880 Speaker 1: almost any biography on Theodore Roosevelt was a good way, 1642 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,720 Speaker 1: a good place to start, um. And just you know, 1643 01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,200 Speaker 1: he's kind of the godfather a conservation, made it a 1644 01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of a national priority, and so just kind of 1645 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: learning how he came to that, and he came to 1646 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,479 Speaker 1: that pretty honestly, he came to that as a hunter. Um. 1647 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's he spent a lot of time out 1648 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,360 Speaker 1: here in the West and Upper Midwest chasing critters around, 1649 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:33,920 Speaker 1: and that's where he kind of got this passion. So 1650 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,640 Speaker 1: I think reading, you know, just kind of about the 1651 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,479 Speaker 1: way he came to conservation and then what he did 1652 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,080 Speaker 1: as a president, I think is is is pretty grounding. Um. 1653 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,760 Speaker 1: There's a book by reader R. E. I G. E. R. 1654 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,800 Speaker 1: And it's like Origin. I think it's what's it? The 1655 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,800 Speaker 1: title is like the Origin of the Origins of like 1656 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,400 Speaker 1: sportsman conservation. And I might get that wrong, but the 1657 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,760 Speaker 1: author's name is Reager R E I G. E. R. 1658 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: And he goes through the history of kind of um, 1659 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,559 Speaker 1: you know, the Earth, like the late eighteen hundreds into 1660 01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,400 Speaker 1: kind of like the dirty thirties where Ducks and Limited 1661 01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,400 Speaker 1: was formed and National wild the Federation was formed then 1662 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,040 Speaker 1: through like kind of like the clean air and clean 1663 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,120 Speaker 1: water rac stuff in nineteen seventies, and so it gives 1664 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,880 Speaker 1: you a great kind of history piece there. Um. I 1665 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,840 Speaker 1: think Sand County Almanac by Elbow Leopold, who they call 1666 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,280 Speaker 1: like the godfather, you know of game management, I think 1667 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,519 Speaker 1: is an unbelievable read. And I will say that I 1668 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:35,479 Speaker 1: think he wrote that in the forties. Uh Um. What 1669 01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,960 Speaker 1: he wrote about in the forties is still pertnant today. 1670 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,680 Speaker 1: And and you know a lot of the things he 1671 01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,880 Speaker 1: talked about in their you know fair chase or even 1672 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,120 Speaker 1: uh um, kind of just conservation practices and how all 1673 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,160 Speaker 1: parts matter, not just you know the megafun that you 1674 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,960 Speaker 1: and I chase, um, it's all important to that kind 1675 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,760 Speaker 1: of ecosystem. I think it's a great read, and it's 1676 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,600 Speaker 1: not that long, and so I think that would be 1677 01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,160 Speaker 1: one I would read. Um and then you know, I 1678 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,799 Speaker 1: think you know, Field and Stream has a conservation blog 1679 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,040 Speaker 1: and they called the conservationists and so hal Herring Rights 1680 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,120 Speaker 1: for that and Baub Marshall Rights for that, and I 1681 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,559 Speaker 1: think both those guys are UM one smart as hell, 1682 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 1: but to UM great at kind of like talking about 1683 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,080 Speaker 1: the issue. So I think those are those are one 1684 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,000 Speaker 1: of the resources I would go to UM. And you know, 1685 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,640 Speaker 1: if folks want more, UM, that's quite a bit to 1686 01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,000 Speaker 1: start with. If they want more, they could go free 1687 01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,120 Speaker 1: to to contact me and really or you know, somebody 1688 01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:31,840 Speaker 1: on our staff and we can we can think about 1689 01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,760 Speaker 1: other resources. Yeah, that's awesome. Those are I've read or 1690 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,320 Speaker 1: checked out most of those and agree really good suggestions. 1691 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,200 Speaker 1: Another one that's an interesting one as a book called 1692 01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,840 Speaker 1: The Last Stand. I think it's by Michael Punk or 1693 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,400 Speaker 1: something like that, and that book was about specifically the 1694 01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,040 Speaker 1: history of the Buffalo, but then the story of George 1695 01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,479 Speaker 1: George Bird Grenelle and then eventually what he did through 1696 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,960 Speaker 1: Force and Stream, you know, the precursor Field and Stream, 1697 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,280 Speaker 1: and then eventually how we worked with Teddy and the 1698 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,080 Speaker 1: rest of the group to form the Boone and Crockett 1699 01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,519 Speaker 1: Club and all the impact that they had Um. That's 1700 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,960 Speaker 1: another really interesting one to add to that list. You know, 1701 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,240 Speaker 1: I've heard about that book mark, but I've I've not 1702 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,640 Speaker 1: read it, So thank you for the reminder, and that 1703 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,960 Speaker 1: is now on the list. Yeah, yeah, I think you'll 1704 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,200 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I read it while stuck in a tent 1705 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,519 Speaker 1: in the middle of it basically a monsoon, while hunting 1706 01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,960 Speaker 1: elk last year in Idaho, up in the back country. 1707 01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,120 Speaker 1: So I was up there trying to weather the storm 1708 01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,320 Speaker 1: and read read some good hunting conservation literature, and thank 1709 01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,040 Speaker 1: goodness you had that book right, Like, you might have 1710 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,479 Speaker 1: gotten crazy in that tent with that rain for hours 1711 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,080 Speaker 1: upon hours, right, I really probably would have, So it 1712 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:43,920 Speaker 1: was a lifesaver. Yeah. So so here's probably my final question, Land, 1713 01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,320 Speaker 1: I think for all of us, you know, when we 1714 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,479 Speaker 1: think about these types of issues, you know, protecting our 1715 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,680 Speaker 1: hunting heritage, these different landscapes, these animals, for many of us, 1716 01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,400 Speaker 1: I think there is a certain place maybe that we 1717 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,840 Speaker 1: think about or that connects with us in some kind 1718 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,519 Speaker 1: of special way, that initially brought that passion or helps 1719 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,320 Speaker 1: has helped us kind of realized, Wow, I want to 1720 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,760 Speaker 1: do something to protect this place or these animals or 1721 01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,560 Speaker 1: this experience. Do you have a place or an experience 1722 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,040 Speaker 1: or is there something special within the hunting and fishing 1723 01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,439 Speaker 1: world that really resonates with you deep down more than 1724 01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,400 Speaker 1: anything else. So if it's all right, I answered that 1725 01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,560 Speaker 1: in two ways. Um. The first one is is I 1726 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,560 Speaker 1: think I mentioned, you know, my father passed away and 1727 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,439 Speaker 1: I was twenty years old. I've been out in Seattle, 1728 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,719 Speaker 1: was kind of messing around, and so I came home 1729 01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,720 Speaker 1: to be with my family when he passed away, and 1730 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,439 Speaker 1: I still really kind of hadn't found my way. In 1731 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,439 Speaker 1: one night, I was going home after a late night 1732 01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 1: kind of crousing with friends, and about two o'clock in 1733 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,400 Speaker 1: the morning, and I lived about three miles out of 1734 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,960 Speaker 1: towns where I grew up, and a mountain I ran 1735 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,160 Speaker 1: across my path in front of me and then stopped 1736 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,479 Speaker 1: on the side of the road, and then I kind 1737 01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,600 Speaker 1: of looked at me and then ran again across in 1738 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,360 Speaker 1: front of the road, and like to see that apex 1739 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,120 Speaker 1: predator and that close, for one, was just amazing to 1740 01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,040 Speaker 1: watch that it's back never really moved, it just kind 1741 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,240 Speaker 1: of glided, you know, that it ran across like that. 1742 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,320 Speaker 1: To me, it was like this I had a point 1743 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,400 Speaker 1: to like a moment. Um was really that piece that 1744 01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, i'd kind of been lost after my father 1745 01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,920 Speaker 1: passed away, and like it was like it kind of 1746 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,920 Speaker 1: struck me then and um, and so you know, I'm 1747 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,240 Speaker 1: very fortunate to have that experience. UM. I say, the 1748 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,080 Speaker 1: special place for me is the Bob Marshall Wilderness. Uh. 1749 01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:28,800 Speaker 1: And then a couple of places that I won't tell 1750 01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,360 Speaker 1: you about there in the wilderness, UM that I visit. Uh. 1751 01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,280 Speaker 1: One is a place that I go fish. Um it's 1752 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,360 Speaker 1: pretty hard to get into when in their last year 1753 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,200 Speaker 1: with my wife or an anniversary cut throat or hungry 1754 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,519 Speaker 1: on every single cast uh and in your alone. And 1755 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,320 Speaker 1: then the other places a place where we would go 1756 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,000 Speaker 1: elk on all the time up there and I go 1757 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,200 Speaker 1: in there with my family every year. And UM, you 1758 01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,120 Speaker 1: know those two places are just they're so special to me. 1759 01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,120 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I don't know how you 1760 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,120 Speaker 1: are with this, but you know, I live in this 1761 01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:04,160 Speaker 1: crazy world where you know, I'm I'm going you know, 1762 01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of balls of the wall all the time. I'm 1763 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,760 Speaker 1: connected through my cell phone. I'm on the you know, 1764 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,360 Speaker 1: on my phone or on my computer, you know, almost 1765 01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,559 Speaker 1: all day. Um. And it's really hard for me to 1766 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,799 Speaker 1: turn that off. And when I go into the Bob Marshall, 1767 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm forced to do that. And I don't have cell 1768 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,240 Speaker 1: phone access up there, and you know, I bring my 1769 01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,120 Speaker 1: cell phone. That's the only reason I bring my cellphone, 1770 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,559 Speaker 1: and so that I can um use as an alarm 1771 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,519 Speaker 1: and also take pictures with it because it's pretty light, 1772 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, and and they take great pictures nowadays, and 1773 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,080 Speaker 1: so like. But it's that place that I can escape 1774 01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:38,280 Speaker 1: and and and you know, the revitalization I get from 1775 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,240 Speaker 1: going to the Bob Um is just spectacular. And and 1776 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, I hope that that's there for everybody for 1777 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,839 Speaker 1: a few generations, and that you know, I want everybody 1778 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,000 Speaker 1: that's listening to this to think about that place. You know, 1779 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,760 Speaker 1: think about the last time that you were there, and 1780 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe not the trigger that you pulled, or 1781 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,559 Speaker 1: the arrow that you let fly or the fish that 1782 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,920 Speaker 1: you caught, but like you know what the briefs are 1783 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,320 Speaker 1: like on the back of the neck, you know, in 1784 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,040 Speaker 1: that afternoon nap that you took there, and we're at 1785 01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,519 Speaker 1: total peace. Like that's where I find my slace and 1786 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,559 Speaker 1: I think everybody else that's one of the reasons why 1787 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,560 Speaker 1: we do what we do is to have those experiences, 1788 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,559 Speaker 1: and so, um, the Bob Marshall is that place for me, 1789 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,880 Speaker 1: and um, you know I'll veemulate, you know, help protect 1790 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,160 Speaker 1: that place for the rest of my life. Yeah. Absolutely, 1791 01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us can relate to those 1792 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,280 Speaker 1: two experiences and feelings and the importance of having somewhere 1793 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,519 Speaker 1: you can just get away from it all. And whether 1794 01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,439 Speaker 1: that's you know, hundreds of thousands of acres and the Bob, 1795 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,599 Speaker 1: or whether that's a hundred acres of public land down 1796 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,639 Speaker 1: the road or just your back for it that maybe 1797 01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 1: you own. Whatever it is, having wild places, undeveloped places 1798 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,799 Speaker 1: to some degree where we can reconnect with with nature 1799 01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,559 Speaker 1: and wildlife. I mean, that's so important, and unfortunately it's 1800 01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,799 Speaker 1: becoming an increasingly rare opportunity for people in this country. 1801 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,000 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, like you said that we're 1802 01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,559 Speaker 1: not making any more of it, we've got to do 1803 01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,639 Speaker 1: something to make sure we have that's left stays that way. 1804 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:02,680 Speaker 1: So total totally. Also, I mean I think that's and 1805 01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,599 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that. I mean, like the kind 1806 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,639 Speaker 1: of difference. I mean sometimes people think, you know, that's 1807 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,120 Speaker 1: a bad country all we care about is like these big, huge, 1808 01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,040 Speaker 1: million acre wildernesses, and that couldn't be farther from the 1809 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,439 Speaker 1: truth the way you describe that, like those places where 1810 01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,840 Speaker 1: you go find that escape or that connection to nature. 1811 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,240 Speaker 1: We all know what that feels like, and we all 1812 01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:21,800 Speaker 1: that's what we want to protect because we want to 1813 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,040 Speaker 1: protect kind of like it's not like a definition of 1814 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,000 Speaker 1: how big back country is, but it's that it's more 1815 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,080 Speaker 1: of like the experience and that feeling you get when 1816 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,400 Speaker 1: you're there. Um, and you know we do that on 1817 01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,640 Speaker 1: public land. So um yeah, think about your place and 1818 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,960 Speaker 1: think about what what what what that would be like 1819 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,920 Speaker 1: if if you couldn't go there anymore or the vastly changed. 1820 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 1: And I think that's definitely motivating for me, and I 1821 01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,360 Speaker 1: think it's motivated to a lot of people absolutely. So 1822 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,560 Speaker 1: if anyone out there wants to learn more about that 1823 01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,280 Speaker 1: country hunters and anglers, where can they go online to 1824 01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:55,400 Speaker 1: do that? So with our website is just you know, 1825 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,519 Speaker 1: back country hunters dot org, so very easy and you 1826 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:00,920 Speaker 1: can just google what are named too and it will 1827 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,439 Speaker 1: come right up. Um just got a new website, so 1828 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about the look and feel of that. 1829 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,000 Speaker 1: Our Facebook page is is very robust. We had Randy 1830 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,320 Speaker 1: do a Randy Newberg do a thing last night on 1831 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,479 Speaker 1: Facebook Live. I think he was on there for like 1832 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,799 Speaker 1: an hour and forty minutes or something like that. And so, um, 1833 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,960 Speaker 1: it's the Facebook, you know, something we're posting onto or 1834 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,439 Speaker 1: three times a day, very a great way to learn 1835 01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,840 Speaker 1: more about us, and that on Instagram and Twitter as 1836 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,240 Speaker 1: well as more about pictures and Twitter is more about 1837 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: kind of um really interactive with the Electric officials, but 1838 01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,880 Speaker 1: all those platforms. What I guess I would say is 1839 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,280 Speaker 1: that we have a YouTube channel and within that YouTube 1840 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,760 Speaker 1: channel and we have a thing called Backcountry College UM 1841 01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,760 Speaker 1: so all Skills UM, which is pretty awesome. We've got 1842 01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,400 Speaker 1: a guy out of Idaho named Clay Hayes that we 1843 01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:49,200 Speaker 1: call our professor because he's just he's one of the 1844 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,479 Speaker 1: most woodsy guys I've ever been around. UM and I've 1845 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:55,280 Speaker 1: learned something watched one of those. So um, those are 1846 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,200 Speaker 1: the platforms, and you know, find out more about us, 1847 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,080 Speaker 1: and then once you do, I'll become a member. Know 1848 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,720 Speaker 1: and and if you got questions, you know, I think 1849 01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,960 Speaker 1: one thing that's also unique about our organization is that 1850 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm very accessible. You know, our our entire staff is 1851 01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,360 Speaker 1: very accessible, so if you have questions, you know, give 1852 01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,439 Speaker 1: us a call and if we don't get you right 1853 01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,360 Speaker 1: then we'll get back to you and um we'll shoot 1854 01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,280 Speaker 1: us an email and uh and we'll definitely, um, we'll 1855 01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,280 Speaker 1: definitely uh at least try to answer your questions as 1856 01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,799 Speaker 1: we can. We'll try to find something they can awesome. 1857 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,439 Speaker 1: I'll make sure to link to all that stuff, so 1858 01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,720 Speaker 1: if anyone listening wants to do that, you can just 1859 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,800 Speaker 1: head over the blog posts, click those links or go 1860 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,040 Speaker 1: right to like Land said, back country hunters dot org 1861 01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,120 Speaker 1: and uh, I go your sentiment. Land, I just highly 1862 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,639 Speaker 1: recommend everyone listening to go out and become a member. 1863 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,240 Speaker 1: And uh selfishly, I'm on the membership committee for the 1864 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,280 Speaker 1: board in Michigan, so it's my job to try to 1865 01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,400 Speaker 1: add new members. So come on, guys, help me out. 1866 01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,719 Speaker 1: Become a member in Michigan if you're in my home state, 1867 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,680 Speaker 1: joined the team, and uh we'll hopefully get to uh 1868 01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:58,000 Speaker 1: meet up this in the upcoming functions too. So that's awesome. 1869 01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:01,800 Speaker 1: If everybody that was a membership cherich Country had your platform, 1870 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,639 Speaker 1: we've been doing even better. Right, thank you for that. Yeah, 1871 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,000 Speaker 1: absolutely so this has been a lot of fun. I 1872 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,120 Speaker 1: appreciate taking the time to chat. Oh for sure, for 1873 01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:14,080 Speaker 1: sure anytime. Absolutely, well, uh, let's hopefully stay in touch 1874 01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,240 Speaker 1: and maybe we'll do this again and maybe while I'm 1875 01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,080 Speaker 1: out west here we can we can bump into each 1876 01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,080 Speaker 1: other and grab a drink or coffee or something. I 1877 01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,320 Speaker 1: love that, dude, I love that anytime. Um that you know, 1878 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,599 Speaker 1: if those stars a line, I'd love to do that. 1879 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,479 Speaker 1: And like I said, but you know, I'm also I 1880 01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,120 Speaker 1: want to make sure that in this next year. But 1881 01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,400 Speaker 1: I figure out a way to get out and see 1882 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,920 Speaker 1: you guys in Michigan too. My parents my parents went 1883 01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,679 Speaker 1: to the University of Michigan, and uh, I have pictures 1884 01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:39,880 Speaker 1: of me when I was two years old in the 1885 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,040 Speaker 1: big house. So I don't know if you're MS guy 1886 01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,479 Speaker 1: or UF guy, but like, I'm definitely a Wolverine and 1887 01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,840 Speaker 1: no land that's a horrible way and it's like this 1888 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,880 Speaker 1: great conversation until it right then, right am, I'm a 1889 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:58,439 Speaker 1: Michigan state alume. Oh man, it's it's in your blood. 1890 01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh it's it runs green and white, very thick. But 1891 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,080 Speaker 1: I won't hold it against you, all right, all right, 1892 01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:06,880 Speaker 1: we can have a friendly kind of bet around that 1893 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,840 Speaker 1: thing too. Absolutely, we'll we'll talk to again. So alright, 1894 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:15,120 Speaker 1: sounds good about to hold bye. Alright, So there you 1895 01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,360 Speaker 1: have it, another episode in the books. But before we go, 1896 01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,960 Speaker 1: we need to thank our partners who helped keep this 1897 01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,080 Speaker 1: podcast on the air, so big thank you too, sick 1898 01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:29,280 Speaker 1: A Gear Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter r Maps, Ozonics, 1899 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,680 Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and the White Tail Institute of 1900 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:36,719 Speaker 1: North America. 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