1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. I'm Rashon McDonald, a host of 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass, where we encourage people to stop 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. Now. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss an episode, so please take 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: a moment right now to follow or subscribe to Money 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass. It's free. You can follow me on 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: to your podcast. New Money Making Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: I want to keep you on alert because my guests 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: provide tips on how you can uplift your community, improve 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: a successful entrepreneur. Now, let's get this podcast started. My 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: guest is a ten time BMI Award winner, four for 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: his work on the King of Queens, two for Being 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: Mary Jane which was on b ET, three for the Neighborhood, 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: and one for the Game. His Far Crop Production is 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: a full service music for picture company. They offer music composition, 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: music vision, music editing, music clearance and usage. Are over 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: ten thousand plus songs in his library. Please welcome to 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Magic Last allegend a star far call. 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: How are you doing, Kirk? 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: Too good to be true? How about yourself? 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Don't go to the Kirk. It's been like I think 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen last time I was able to sit you 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: down and interview you about your success. Man, you're a 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: very special brother man in the industry. So as we 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: can start tell people exactly what you do, Kirk. 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: Well, I've started out as a composer for television. Means 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: I write the themed songs and underscore for numerous TV 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: shows going all the way back to Mosha and the 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: Parkers and Girlfriends and one on one and stuff. 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff that's really culturally rooted in our memories, 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: like of great TV shows. Like when you say girlfriends, 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: like I said, uh, you know being Mary Jane. Uh, 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: these are shows the neighborhood. Let me just go back 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: right here. Let me say some more names your girlfriends 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: which I didn't have, black Lightning, Uh, the Proud Family, 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln not easily broken, the perfect match. How you know, 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: everybody trying to figure out everybody want to be on 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: stage to be Michael Jackson. You know, everybody wanted to 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: be up there to be Prince everybody wants to be 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: the performer on America's Got Talent. You are making your 43 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: money and being very successful, successful being behind the scenes. 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: How are you doing that? 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: Well, I've been doing it in spite of mine. I 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: started doing it in spite of myself. 47 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So he was in front music. 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: You wanted to be wanted to Yes, I wanted to 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: be every musician grew up, wanted to be the lead singer, 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: wanted to be this that you know, and uh, you 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: know in that in the recording business. Uh, once you 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: turn twenty nine, it's like it's over with a lot 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: of folks don't really want to know about what you 54 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: what your gifts are, ye know. Whereas in television and film, 55 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: all I've got to say to you is John Williams 56 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: is in his mid nineties and still composing, has been 57 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: still composing films. 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: So give people a little history of John Williams. Like, 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, John Williams some great movies that he's done. 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: John Williams is the composer who did all of the 61 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: Star Wars movies, all of the virtually everything that you 62 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: see with with Harrison Ford. It's just he's done so 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: many films it's hard to. 64 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Those type of movies. You do them and did you 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: give residuals on them? Correct? Now? So that's all the 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: famous mailbox money. 67 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a big part of television. You 68 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: would if you just had the quote unquote mailbox money 69 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: for King and Queen's you would be you. You'd be fine. You, 70 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be you wouldn't be complaining very much, you 71 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: know the things that the thing is it is not 72 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: to just do it one time, but to do it 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: again again. You'll find that when so many people are 74 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: are trying to figure out how to get in and 75 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: trying to to get get the work happening for them 76 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: on ourselves on a on a constant basis. But it's 77 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: it's I've been I'm in my thirty eighth season of television. 78 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: I will tell you that the continuing it for the 79 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: for the thirty plus years has been way harder than 80 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: the getting in in the first. Isn't that true? 81 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: You know? I think about my life, you know, and 82 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: and the journey to get in and and but sometimes 83 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: the journey to stay in is like really even tougher, 84 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, because it's so competitive and then people going yes, I've. 85 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: Never gotten a single job where somebody else didn't didn't 86 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: want to want to be sitting in that seat instead 87 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: of me. Most of my jobs, after I get it, 88 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: they're still trying to get me. 89 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Absolutely, that's. 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: That's a real thing. Uh Uh. But you can't let 91 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: you can't let you can't let that stop. You can't 92 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: let the fear of it stop you. It's like what 93 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: you were saying in your intro. Uh. Even the folks 94 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: around you who will constantly, especially when you're in entertainment, 95 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: and that they constantly tell you that this isn't a 96 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: real job. You know, I said, Well, and when they 97 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: when they say that it's not a real job, I 98 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: want to take them out the bird Bank and I 99 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: want to go to that green and white building with 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: the black ears on top of it and tell and 101 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: tell all those folks at Disney that they have to 102 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: get out because they're not working in a real job. 103 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: And when I'm finished with them, I should walk across 104 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: the street to Warner Brothers and say, get out because 105 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: you're not doing a real job. You're getting a real 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: check every week, but you're not doing a real job. 107 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: That's uh, That that fear of it because most people 108 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: don't do this for a job. That fear is what 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: keeps people out and this fantasy that it's that that 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: that can only happen to this person. You know, if 111 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: you treat it like a business, it might treat you 112 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: in kind. 113 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: You know, you know, and now and now I admire 114 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: what you're saying, because you are a unique talent and 115 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: some and you have a unique skill and when you 116 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: and that's a very small group of people, and that's 117 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: when people kind of minimize it because they can't understand 118 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: everybody in the sta what a mail box a postman does, 119 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: or bank teller does, cashier does because he sees on 120 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: a regular basis a composer, would that be the proper 121 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: title for you? Okay, a music composer you're giving Let 122 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: me just reiterate everybody who I'm talking. I'm talking to 123 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: Kirk Farquhar. Some of this work you're very familiar with, 124 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: being Mary Jane, the Neighborhood. He's won ten BMI's and 125 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: the bm MY Award is what be. 126 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: And my high awards are for composers. The top composers 127 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: is essentially you are You're the person that's putting more 128 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: music more music or your show is more popular, and 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: you're think of it like the Billboard Awards. You sell 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: more records an award. I've been blessed to be on 131 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: a number of really big hit TV shows and thankful 132 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: for it. But the continuing it, as we were saying, 133 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: is the big deal that is too to be in 134 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: the game thirty eight years and still coming at it 135 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: hard and fresh and having and still being relevant something 136 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: that people actually do want. You know, It's not I'm 137 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: not just there because I because I still like me, 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: but because people are still requiring and still want what 139 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: it is that I have to do. I've changed with 140 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: the times, getting in that first flash. Everybody gets that 141 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: one good idea, you know, and then and then want 142 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: to run with it. Well, sustain that good idea and 143 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: change that good idea and polish it off and molded 144 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: and modeled for for the changing times. If you think 145 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: about all the things that I've seen my time, how 146 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: different music is to them. When I started out, you 147 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: put you delivered music on quarter inch tape and fifteen niphs. 148 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: You know today you you're sitting in a dark room 149 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: by yourself on a computer pad. You know, Pump pump, 150 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: you know, and and you should shoot the team when 151 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: when you and I worked together, if I forgot the 152 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: music on the way over to the to the mix, 153 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: there's no way. I have to get back in the 154 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: car and go back across town, grab the music and 155 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: and meet you back there. 156 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: And when you say work together, you know, I met 157 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: him on Mosha. That was my good friend Vita Spears 158 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: and Sheriff Finny Johnson introduced me to this man's talent. 159 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,119 Speaker 1: Then I went over to the Parenthood, did the Parenthood 160 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: with you? I did Sister Sister, the Twins, Tea and 161 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Tamar Miley with our girl Felicia Anderson. 162 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: And and the Big Big Time, Yes, Steve Big Time. 163 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: When the w B did that, I brought him over 164 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: there relationship, and then we went over to UH then 165 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: then the Parkers with Monique, and then I got out 166 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: of the sitcom business, and when made Steve Harvey's career. 167 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: But all the while you've just been still building your catalog. 168 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question because originality and 169 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: not being a victim of copy catty, copy catty your success. 170 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: How do you pull that off? 171 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: You know, first of all, you know it's it's it's 172 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: not just my idea. I have to when you when 173 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: you're in music, the picture you are, it's not you're 174 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: just doing an album, you're doing I'm doing music to 175 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: a story that you came up with, Sorr. I work 176 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 2: with somebody else and I do music to a story 177 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: that Michael Whitehorn came up with. Or I'm doing a 178 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 2: story to what Ralph Barkoor, Abta Spirits and Sarah Finny 179 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: Johnson come up with. And if you're really really taking 180 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: the job seriously, you're listening to what they're saying. You're 181 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: listening to the vision that they have, and you're co 182 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: opting that and bringing that into your train of thought 183 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: and you say, okay, this is something else. Let me 184 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: go about that in a different way. I don't come 185 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: in every day thinking, okay, now, let me force force 186 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: feed the singular thing that I've done and the style 187 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: that I've done and force feed it to everybody for 188 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: thirty eight years. If that was the case, I wouldn't 189 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: be here for thirty eight years later. I don't believe. 190 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: But you know, because every one of your concepts are different, 191 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: and that makes you special. Now you're an African American, 192 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: and so a lot of people feel that your talents 193 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: were probably leaning that direction. What have you done to 194 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: make sure people understand the diversity of your music skills. 195 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: I've done shows like King of Queens to make which 196 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: I was doing at the same time as Moasia and 197 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: The Parkers, you know, at the exact same time, and 198 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: I actually created I believe that around the same time 199 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: as the as The Parkers, and on the I had 200 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: meetings for him on the same day, you know, and 201 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: you I took what Michael Whitehorn was saying he wanted 202 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: for his story and came up with thoughts that were 203 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: reverberated around that. And then I walk over and talked 204 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: to Ralph and Vida and Sarah about what they wanted 205 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: for the Parkers and which was a total different thing, 206 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: you know, and see what they're see what they're creating, 207 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: and see if you can allow yourself to be a 208 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: part of the entire story and the world that they're creating. 209 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: They created a whole other world. And look, I've always 210 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: from the beginning of my life as a musician, I've 211 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: always been attracted to different sounds in different styles. I 212 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: wrote my first symphony when I was twelve. I went 213 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: to the National Conservatory music in Belsize, France. I toured 214 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: with Freddie Hubbard doing jazz in my twenties, I you know, 215 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 2: uh and and I put out R and B and 216 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: hip hop records of myself with myself as a singer. 217 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: You know, I'm all over the place. And some of 218 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 2: my favorite music to ever do is country in Western 219 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: which a lot of people don't know you. You know, 220 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: you know Kurk Parker, you know he loves his country 221 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: in Western So, you know, the root stuff. 222 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: The thing that I remember last time I interviewed you, 223 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling ever about a long time ago because the 224 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: brother's busy. I'm so fortunate to have him in my 225 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta studios, was talking about black Light. Yeah, and you 226 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: were you were so used. What did you hear the music? 227 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: I dropped that it was like it was like it 228 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: was like an R and B hit song from back 229 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: in that day, and you were just so excited of 230 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: the song's placement in that episode. So that's a certain 231 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: amount of energy that's real tied to your creativity. So 232 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: when you look into it, because music does play a 233 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: major role in trans musicians and emotions and drummers, whether 234 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: it's a stinger or the up and down tones of 235 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: music when they walk in the room. If you took 236 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: away that music, it really can take away the tone 237 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: and the development of scenes and stories. Correct. 238 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that's a show where it all elements 239 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: of music were important to it. The songs that are 240 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: here Caro Lemon would do, would put in and to 241 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: the the score. They really really let me do some 242 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: interesting things. And you told me that, and we were 243 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: I remember we were talking about before how I was 244 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: taking hip hop beats and and and taking it apart 245 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: and putting it in more of an orchestral point of view. 246 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: So the so the trombones and tubas were doing where 247 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: the kick drum and the trumpets would be the snare 248 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: and and you say, I like this feel. I don't 249 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: know why. It's comfortable to me. It's that classical stuff, 250 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: but it's not, you know, right, So we try to 251 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: put together again, allowing yourself to be influenced, you know, 252 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: by the world around you. The creatively creatively creatively is 253 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: a thing because the world keeps changing and interesting things happen. 254 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: Please don't go anywhere. 255 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more money making. 256 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: Conversations, masterclass. No, I need for you to do me 257 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: a favor right now to follow or subscribe to money 258 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: Making Conversation. It's free and you can find it on 259 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 260 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Please do me that favor, follow or subscribe 261 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: money Making Conversations. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations master 262 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Class hosted by me Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversation master 263 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: Class continues online and Moneymaking Conversations dot com and follow 264 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: money Making Conversation master Class on Facebook, x and Instagram. 265 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: I remember earlier in my career recording in a in 266 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: a studio that was in this gentleman's garage and it 267 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: wasn't the most sound pool place that we ever heard. 268 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: And I kid you not, we were. I had the 269 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: band playing all live and they were going through all 270 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: of the changes that I had written for them to do. 271 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: And then in the distance while we're recording, I heard 272 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: a dog barking. I kept hearing this dog barking in 273 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: this other tonality, and he kept doing it at the 274 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: same place, and I said, and in the same key. 275 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: I said, Oh my goodness, guys, this is what we're 276 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: gonna do. And I changed up the piece of music 277 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: to go in the in the in the key and 278 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: the register of of where the dog was barking at it, 279 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: and everybody, all my producers thought, oh, what a great idea, 280 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: what a great What made you think to go and 281 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: make that shift at that point? That's so cool, I said, 282 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. 283 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some current stuff, Kirk. You know, 284 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: I want to keep talking about you. You're stuck in 285 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: the past because this brother right here. The Proud Family 286 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: season four premieres in July. Yeah, okay, The Proud Family. 287 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: Christmas Brown is coming up. Okay, Beyond the Gates, the 288 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: hit soap opera, I think it has been renewed for you 289 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: season three. 290 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 2: We're we're one and a half months into our second season, right, 291 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: and then they picked us up for another two seasons 292 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: beyond that, so it'll be three years from now for us. 293 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: Before before we're talking about what's new and a brother? 294 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: And that was that your search first soap opera genre? 295 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting there. That's five days a week, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 296 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five episodes a year and moving 297 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: up from there. Sheila Duxworth that to me about it 298 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: and almost five years before it started, and she says, 299 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: I got this thing that's coming up, and her vision 300 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: was that she wasn't going for the typical soap opera, 301 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: daily daytime drama sort of sound. And as you'll find out, 302 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: a lot of the people that are working on the 303 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 2: show come out a nighttime. You know. I had never 304 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: done anything in terms of a daytime so in my 305 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: entire life, and I thought, why not? You know, she 306 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: told me that they were going to be trying to 307 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: make it special and try to do something different with it. 308 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: The power relationships really tells a part, a major part 309 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: of your story. 310 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: It's a big deal. 311 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about relationships and how people need to understand 312 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: you can have a talent, but relationships can be a 313 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: major asset to the longevity of your career, delivering quality 314 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: work and people making recommendation. 315 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: I always tell people I only work for Steven Spielberg. 316 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 2: You know, I say, I see my producer, come in, 317 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: my director, come in. I see Steven Spielberg, and act accordingly. 318 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: If you if you were working with Steven Spielberg and 319 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: you were and he said, oh, well, guys, it's going 320 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: to be really late tonight. Where it's going to be well, 321 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: I don't know when we're going to get out of here. 322 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: Half of you would not would not think to have 323 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: called your significant other to say I'm not coming home 324 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: you just I'm working for Steven Spielberg. 325 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 326 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: You know we'll do that for all your other producers. 327 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: I give my whole heart and soul to them. I am. 328 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: I am there for them one and and it's in 329 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: the good times and the bad times that producers have. 330 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: Some of my biggest producers are people that came up 331 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: to me earlier in their career and needed something, needed 332 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: some music, and I said yes, then as well, my 333 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: my whole thing is the power of I figure I 334 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: could say yes more than you and and and end 335 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: up making more and doing better. I don't. Most people 336 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: in the arts can't always tell you what is going 337 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: to be that success. So I got out of the 338 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 2: business of trying to figure out which one is going 339 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: to be the winner. I said, if I actually knew 340 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: they would, they would have me bronzed and sitting out 341 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: in front of Sony Seguards the way. You know, it's 342 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: it's that's not the case. I do a simple thing 343 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: that my uh my producer brother Ralph told me, I said, 344 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: I do I do my job. I do it the 345 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: best that I can, and I move on to the 346 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: next one. 347 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: There's a more project, bull Run tempted to Love the 348 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 1: number two Love single Black Female the best you can. 349 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: It's Kevin Bacon's movie. 350 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was Kevin Bacon. Again, not not of 351 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: a film that most people would have thought of this, 352 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: the older black composer would have been the one to 353 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: that they choose to do this music. But I I 354 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: believe that I did something that was different, that was pertinent, 355 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 2: and again it was a relationship that I've had, you know, 356 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: that goes back years. I keep these relationships going even 357 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: when I am not working with folks. If you only 358 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: want to call someone and talk to them once you've 359 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: read in the trades that they've got something coming up, 360 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: it's already too late. I'm I'm seriously because I seriously 361 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 2: care about them. I'm seriously reaching out to people and 362 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: seriously letting it be known that I'm there for them. 363 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: So that because by the time when it's getting going, 364 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: if you're not top of mind, probably not going to 365 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: be in the mix. 366 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely a couple more projects. Ruth and boys. 367 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: That was a big one for us. 368 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: Number one on Netflix, number one, number one on Netflix. 369 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: You know again, now a great project you've been tied 370 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: to the neighborhood with starring Cedric Entertainment comes to an end. 371 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: What are your feelings and did you compose any special 372 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: music in the last season or the final episode there? 373 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: The final episode is very very special and there is 374 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: some special music right taking you right to the end. 375 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: That kind of shows the emotion that I think everybody 376 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 2: was feeling on that show. That show has been on 377 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: eight years straight and then it has been in the 378 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: top of the rankings throughout that whole time. Yes, even 379 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: today it's one of the top shows. Even as they're 380 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: going off the air, it is one of the top 381 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: shows to be on TV. That doesn't happen by accident. 382 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: That happens with a lot of a lot of solid 383 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: work and care. The executive producer, Jim that first started 384 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: the show. When Jim first talked to me, he said 385 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: what he wanted to do with the show. He made 386 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: an interesting thing, he says. He says, Kurt, I don't 387 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make a party that's so cool 388 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: that only the cool kids come in he says, I'm 389 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: trying to make I'm trying to make a big party 390 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: for everybody to come and and and it seems like 391 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: that they accomplished that. Sedjac Entertainer has been an amazing 392 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: person to work with. A musical ear he has, oh, 393 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 2: he has a very musical ear. You know. He has 394 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: come into the studio with me a number of times, 395 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: not only with the Neighborhood, but with Proud Family. He 396 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: plays Uncle Bobby on Proud Fam. He's he's that that 397 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: that glue, thatd essentral thing, his vision of how this 398 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: is supposed to be and what sort of comedy this is, 399 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 2: and what sort of stories we're telling, which is sometimes 400 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: some very very tough and important stories that he's telling 401 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: that are very uh linked to what's going on. And 402 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: that's why I think so many people appreciate that show. 403 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: But he finds a funny way to put it. But 404 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: he's been decent and supportive of everybody in the cast. 405 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: I feel like he was supportive of what I did musically. 406 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: He's supportive of all of the other acts and all 407 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: the people that are behind the scenes. 408 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I have a couple of questions before I'll let you 409 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: go Kurk. Your music library, I mentioned it earlier. Tell 410 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: us about it, and how can one gain access to 411 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: licensed music in your library? 412 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, I had noticed years ago that other companies were 413 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: licensing music into I said, jeez. And I looked at 414 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: one company. You had licensed more music in my more 415 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: minutes of music in my my TV show than I 416 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: had in it, And I said, okay, that's crazy. You 417 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: know I can make one of those. If I had 418 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: known how hard it was and listen to the naysayers, 419 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: I might not have done it. But I went on 420 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: and blindly went moved forward and got a library of 421 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: my own, and I not only used it to license 422 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: in my TV shows, but it's in TV shows on 423 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: virtually every single network out there, NBC, ABC, Fox, We're 424 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: on b E T, We're on HBO, We're on all 425 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: the streamers, all of the streamers. It's you know, you 426 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: just have a website. Yes, it's called true Music true 427 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: musicpro dot com. 428 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: To true musicpro dot com. 429 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: Yes, and you can reach out to the folks that 430 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: True Music Pro and they can help you license a 431 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: piece of music. 432 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: I'll be remissed if I sat down here and you 433 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: have the last named far quah and not bring up 434 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: your brother Ralph. Well, yeah, true mentor of mine in 435 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: their business when I was a writer in Hollywood, A 436 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: ment of so many, so many writers in black and 437 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: white in this business. A true legend in this business. 438 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: As you stated ear just started on happy Days as 439 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: an a sister, right. Uh, talk about tell us what 440 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: he's doing. And I know he's part of Proud Family. Yeah, 441 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: not like you know, he's not. He's not busy, but boy, 442 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: he is a special guy. 443 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: Yes, he and his partner Bruce Smith are developing a 444 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: ton of new projects that you'll hopefully be seen soon 445 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: over at at Disney and Disney Plus. And as as 446 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: you said earlier, we have the new Proud Family Louder 447 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: and Router that'll be coming up this summer. Just last 448 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: week and I think this is just amazing. They have 449 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: Disney had a live action figures of Proud Family, Penny 450 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: Proud walking around Disneyland, and I said, I don't think 451 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 2: that that's ever happened before. And my hat is off 452 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: to Ralph and Bruce and what they've achieved. Proud Family 453 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: is a historical piece of work. And these guys work 454 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: their tails off to bring you some interesting and special stories. 455 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: All I can say is, everybody, if you love Proud Family, 456 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: if you've only heard of Proud Family, you have got 457 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 2: to see this season four of Proud Family, Louder and 458 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: Prouder coming in mid mid July. It is the best yet. 459 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: It is absolutely amazing and I can't say enough about it. 460 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: Well, Kirk, I have Can it not be almost another 461 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: decade before we sat down again? But of course if 462 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: I do, the resume ain't gonna be even longer working 463 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: on that. You special man, because you've been a special 464 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: in my life. I've been able to share our relationships 465 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: and the industry, whether it's a reality show with Steve 466 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Harvey on Big Time or sitcoms on The Parkers or 467 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: Sister's Sister. But you've been a special brother, and you've 468 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: always been the same, always been the same, right there 469 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: and dead on. You're gifted man, and when you share 470 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: your story, it comes with a lot of humbleness, a 471 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: lot of thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations, 472 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: master Classes, thank you, thank you for having me, thank 473 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: you for listening to this episode. No, I need for 474 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: you to do me a favor right now to follow 475 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: or subscribe to Money Making conversation. It's free and you 476 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 477 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Please do me that faith, follow, 478 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: or subscribe money making conversations keep winning