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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. It

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Speaker 1: is day two in my sort of new world here

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Speaker 1: and for my friends now on YouTube, hopefully you are

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Speaker 1: liking and subscribing. I'm still learning the lingo, so cut

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Speaker 1: me a little bit of slack there. For episode one,

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Speaker 1: I was able to talk about the post election fallout

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Speaker 1: of April first, and that was sort of the first

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Speaker 1: temperature check. Right. In a conversation I had with Chryst Liz,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's like, if you're a college

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Speaker 1: basketball fan, it's like watching those those tournaments that take

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Speaker 1: place in Hawaii over the holidays. They count, they're real

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Speaker 1: regular season games. They give you a sense of who's good,

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Speaker 1: who's not, et cetera. But it is not the be all,

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Speaker 1: end all. But it's a temperature check. You really get

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Speaker 1: to find out what you know, what's your team made of.

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Speaker 1: And I think now we got a temperature check, and

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Speaker 1: we found out a few things that are that really

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Speaker 1: haven't changed. Right. Number one is do we still have

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Speaker 1: the shotgun Trump voters? As I mentioned yesterday, when Trump's

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Speaker 1: not on the ballot, there is clearly a five to

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Speaker 1: ten point disadvantage for any Republican running Democrats are a

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Speaker 1: bit more fired up right now. Frankly, I think there

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Speaker 1: was a little bit of a question how fired up

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Speaker 1: would the party be. There've been, you know, there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of disillusionment. You've seen these town halls have

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Speaker 1: gotten people fired up, but you've also seen Democrats get

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Speaker 1: cranky at other Democrats because they don't think that they're

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Speaker 1: fighting hard enough. I think there was some concern and

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Speaker 1: some Democrats I talked to that maybe some would sit

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Speaker 1: on their hands. Well, you didn't have that. So you

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Speaker 1: clearly were starting to see in some ways a similar

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Speaker 1: pattern take shape that we saw frankly when the first

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, during the first Trump turn, and you

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Speaker 1: saw it really in twenty twenty one going in to

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Speaker 1: Biden's one term. There that the pattern of the party

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Speaker 1: out of power suddenly looks more appealing because what we're

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Speaker 1: really in is an era of voters telling us what

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Speaker 1: they don't like. We've now had three straight presidential elections

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Speaker 1: where voters have voted against. They've told us they voted

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Speaker 1: who they didn't want. They didn't wan Hillary Clinton as president,

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Speaker 1: so Donald Trump became president. They didn't want a second

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Speaker 1: want to Kamala Harris slash Biden's second term, so we

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Speaker 1: ended up with Donald Trump. And how do you know

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Speaker 1: that that's the case, because look how quickly Trump's approval

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Speaker 1: rating fell. It fell even faster than Biden's. And what's

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Speaker 1: instructive I think right about all of them is that

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Speaker 1: And it's almost like the first crisis dip them and

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Speaker 1: they never recovered. Trump really never recovered from sort of

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Speaker 1: of administration, the travel ban in and out, all the

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Speaker 1: different fired members, you know, firing James Comey, the launch

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Speaker 1: he dip below forty five, never recovered. I frankly assume

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Speaker 1: rest of his presidency. Now, if it happens, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to assume it's some exit outside event that we don't

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Speaker 1: rally around the flag. That's to me the only way

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Speaker 1: he would see his numbers go up, because he almost

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Speaker 1: seems intent on creating such a disruptive presidency that it's

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Speaker 1: The question I have for the for the Democrats is this,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have to be careful here. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: be healthy. I would argue, what, whatever you think of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Donald Trump disrupted the Republican Party on the inside,

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Speaker 1: It turns out, I don't think it's very durable if

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's not on the ballot, but he built a

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Speaker 1: He's created a working class coalition that is beyond just

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Speaker 1: exporting their divisive politics to US. Thirty years ago there

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Speaker 1: last decade, been a net positive for them, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: with the man who probably knows more about what's happening

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Speaker 1: on Congress than any other individual in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: That's not named Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, and

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Speaker 1: that is Jake Sherman, the founder of punch Bowl News. Hey,

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Speaker 1: joining me now is Jake Sherman. He is founder one

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Speaker 1: of the pooh bahs of punch Bowl. Missus Sherman. Good

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Speaker 1: to see you, sir, and see you to Chuck. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm assuming I have some new listeners, new viewers.

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Speaker 1: Yes you are. I have a YouTube channel now, Jake,

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Speaker 1: so you're actually going to be seen as much as

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Speaker 1: you're heard. But for those that may not know what

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Speaker 1: punch Bowl is, you know, I think it's the only

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Speaker 1: way to understand Congress. The only people that cover Congress

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Speaker 1: correctly and well and thoroughly. I'm not saying there aren't

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Speaker 1: others that do it sporadically well, but you guys, you

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's anybody else can match it. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you, Chuck. We started, God, we started

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Speaker 2: almost four and a half years ago now, myself, Anna Palmer,

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Speaker 1: think the larger Washington press corps has fully articulated because

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Speaker 1: I think they don't. They don't trust this. And it's

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Speaker 1: gonna it's as follows. The anger and the grievance and

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Speaker 1: the revenge of Trump is not just Trump now, it

436
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Speaker 1: really is everybody around him. And this is this is

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Speaker 1: revenge over being canceled. This is revenge over not getting

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Speaker 1: any jobs on corporate boards when they are out of power.

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Speaker 1: This is revenge for not being able to become professors

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Speaker 1: at Universe. I say this because it's true, right, you

441
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Speaker 1: had an establishment, whether it was in media, whether it

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Speaker 1: was in academia, whether it was in the corporate world,

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Speaker 1: who said, you know what, we're not hiring anybody Trump.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not sitting here saying tit for Tad

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Speaker 1: is a good thing or anything. I'm just sort of

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Speaker 1: we sort of need to understand this is the mindset

447
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Speaker 1: and so this isn't going to change. There isn't going

448
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Speaker 1: to be a warming of relations, There isn't going to

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Speaker 1: be negotiations. In fact, I have no idea why these

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Speaker 1: law firms are doing it, because the minute you capitulate once,

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Speaker 1: he's going to keep coming back, right, it seems like

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Speaker 1: with each one. But I do think, I do think

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Speaker 1: folks need to understand, Hey, when you know, there's that

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Speaker 1: old adage, when you go for the king, you better

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Speaker 1: you shoot the king, you better not miss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree.

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Speaker 1: And the establishment, the elite establishment missed okay for a

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Speaker 1: variety of reasons. Mitchm we can go through it, Mitch

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Speaker 1: mcconough et cetera, et cetera. But you missed and now

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Speaker 1: he's got power, and he decided and he's decided to

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Speaker 1: use it to just I really believe that this isn't

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Speaker 1: ever going to change. There isn't going to be a

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump that in six months, says, Hey, Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: and Akeem Jeffreys, let's cut it.

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Speaker 2: There might have to be if Democrats win the majority.

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Speaker 2: And I don't you know, in the House, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're paralyzed.

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Speaker 2: I don't want functions like keeping the government open. He's

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Speaker 2: going to have to do something right. But but but

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Speaker 2: short of that, I agree with you and and and

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Speaker 2: that this is what I tell my friends who are

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Speaker 2: working in other in other industries like in Wall Street

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Speaker 2: and on you know, who are watching markets and live

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Speaker 2: and die by markets, which is a few things. He

475
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Speaker 2: has no election in front of I mean that we

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Speaker 2: know of. He has no election in front of him.

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Speaker 2: He's not constrained by typical political considerations that any other

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Speaker 2: politician is constrained by. And he believes based on my

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Speaker 2: limited understanding I mean from the people around him, meaning

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking to him every day that he he's

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Speaker 2: more sure in his decision making process, in his gut

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Speaker 2: and his instinct than ever before. And I think that shows.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything you know, I've said, you know, one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest problems. You know, We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of things to sort of like, how did we get

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Speaker 1: to this moment where where where all of the power

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Speaker 1: is so concentrated to a few people right in the

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Speaker 1: legislative branch. The fact that committee chairs have less say

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Speaker 1: today than they've ever had before, Or the fact that

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Speaker 1: we have the imperial presidency and we only have the

491
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Speaker 1: imperial presidency because the legislative branch gave all these powers

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Speaker 1: to the presidency. And let's start with this tariff business.

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Speaker 1: Is there any appetite in Congress right now to try

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Speaker 1: to get take back some of their authority on tariffs?

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Speaker 2: Now? When I've talked to Johnson about this, this has

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Speaker 2: been this has been whittling and been been you know,

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Speaker 2: decreasing for some time in Congress's power, not only on

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Speaker 2: things like tariffs, but on on every on a whole

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Speaker 2: host on everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I joke, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you want to fix if you're angry about our president.

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Speaker 1: If you are tired of our presidential elections being this

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Speaker 1: oh my god. Right, you know it's sort of this,

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Speaker 1: this the Armageddon type elections take power away from the presidency.

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Speaker 1: This is not what the founders intended. They wanted the

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Speaker 1: They wanted the speaker to be the most powerful Uh frankly,

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Speaker 1: the most powerful policymaker in the country, did they not?

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Speaker 2: For sure? And we haven't seen that since. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you could make an argument since Jim Wright, to be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, I might say you have to go

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Speaker 2: back to Rayburn and LBJ.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, but you know, I guess, I

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Speaker 1: guess you could say Tip had some power, but still

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Speaker 1: for sure, So yes, there's no appetite to do that.

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Speaker 2: There's no appetite for Congress to say, well, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a vote, and we're again, as you said,

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Speaker 2: we're talking on April second. There's a vote today on

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Speaker 2: the floor to to pass the symbolic, a largely symbolic

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Speaker 2: resolution to disapprove of Trump's National Emergency with Canada, which

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Speaker 2: is going to pass Mitch McConnell the Senate in the

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Speaker 2: Senate exactly, and so it's mostly symbolic, but no, I

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Speaker 2: mean we did it. We wrote this week about this

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Speaker 2: about how Republicans are worried about the tariff. I don't

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Speaker 2: agree with the tariff situation, and but there are those

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Speaker 2: like Jim Jordan and Jason Smith. The ways it means

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Speaker 2: Jair saying we should just let him do what he's

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Speaker 2: going to do because he knows better than we do,

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Speaker 2: so you know, and and maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: But that's how they think.

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Speaker 1: What what do you think the how strong is the

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Speaker 1: stomach of these elected Republicans who are going to be

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Speaker 1: on the ballot in twenty six as they watch the

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Speaker 1: economy become shakier and shakier and shake heer, especially if

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Speaker 1: these tariffs do the damage that a lot of economists

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Speaker 1: expect them to do.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be. You know, you don't

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Speaker 2: want to. We don't. We can't predict elections, right, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to. But Republicans have a very narrow majority.

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Speaker 2: And and that is why, by the way, the shaky

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Speaker 2: economy is why Republicans are pushing this tax bill so quickly,

541
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Speaker 2: because they want they feel like in twenty seventeen they

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Speaker 2: waited too long to get the bounce that they thought

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Speaker 2: would happened from their tax bill. They and they did almost.

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Speaker 1: Sorry too late, though, Jake, the tariffs are ruining whatever.

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Speaker 1: I mean. This is where look forget whether these are

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Speaker 1: good ideas or not, just politically. If they wanted these impacts,

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Speaker 1: they should have. He should have waited on tariffs six

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Speaker 1: months and he should have just focused on getting his

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Speaker 1: tax cut. He could have probably gotten the tax cut

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Speaker 1: and started the tariffs and labor day.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what he was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would have been That would have been

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Speaker 1: the Look. I still think these are terrible ideas and

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Speaker 1: it's probably going to cause lots of lots of long

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Speaker 1: term problem. But let's say he is intent on doing it.

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Speaker 1: He's doing this out of order.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's an argument to be made that he

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Speaker 2: should have spent all of his political capital and all

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Speaker 2: of his energy getting the tax and spending cut bill

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Speaker 2: through the House and the Senate first and see where

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Speaker 2: that meted out if it gave him some economic cushion,

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Speaker 2: and then moved on to the rest of his agendas.

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Speaker 1: You have bought credibility with the business community who desperately

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Speaker 1: wanted this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and listen at the end of the day. I

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Speaker 2: do believe that all the taxes will be extended. I

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Speaker 2: think he will get much of what he wants in

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Speaker 2: the tax space. I don't I don't know about getting

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Speaker 2: as much as what he wants in the spending cut space.

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Speaker 2: He says he wants to balance a budget. That ain't

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Speaker 2: gonna happen. So I don't don't. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: mislead here. He's not going to get a balanced budget.

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Speaker 2: But no, the tariff situation is, and it is as

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Speaker 2: bad as it could be. Fourhouse and Senate Republicans who

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Speaker 2: are having a president do something out of their control

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Speaker 2: that will directly impact them.

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Speaker 1: Well again, I'm gonna signpost. The tariffs haven't been announced yet.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: It's astonishing to me how little information the White House

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Speaker 1: has been believed their allies on Capitol Hill right unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, John Thune sent to me or said to

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Speaker 2: one of my colleagues this week, said to us, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. Mike Johnson basically said,

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Speaker 2: not sure. You know, he's got to do what he's

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Speaker 2: going to do.

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Speaker 1: What he's going to do. I don't think Peter Navarro

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Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen. I don't know how what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't think Stoff is sent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on this one of the shows last

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Speaker 2: weekend and said, you know, he has all the information

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Speaker 2: in front of him. I don't I think he's going

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Speaker 2: to make the right decision. I mean, this is not

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Speaker 2: the typical decision making process that we've seen with a president.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, part of that is there's no staff. You know,

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Speaker 1: the last Trump administration had a staff around him that

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Speaker 1: had some of them had experience on Capitol Hill, so

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Speaker 1: they believed in some of the procedures. Hey, we got

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Speaker 1: to give a heads up to these allies. Hey, this

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Speaker 1: team is so inexperienced, you know, in some ways, there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of but it's actually I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Susie Wilds has never really worked in Washington, been a

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Speaker 1: long time since he did. It goes so far back

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Speaker 1: that you arguably it's a different Washington for sure. And

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Speaker 1: you and I have both witnessed chiefs of staff who

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Speaker 1: have not had Washington experience how much they struggle with it. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: there's a ledge affairs person that has some experience, but

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Speaker 1: it's a shockingly inexperienced cabinet outside of Marco Rubio in

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Speaker 1: the ways of Washington.

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Speaker 2: Completely and there is there is a you know, Trump seat.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how he sees it, but let me

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Speaker 2: put it the way I see it, which is, there

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Speaker 2: is tremendous benefit. And I see this in my own

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Speaker 2: everyday job leading a company. There is tremendous benefit in

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Speaker 2: getting people to buy into your plans before you announce

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Speaker 2: them publicly and before you put them into place, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's by the way, I just was

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Speaker 1: at a company that did a terrible job at that

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Speaker 1: okay at times, and it would blow up in their face.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't need to you know, I was

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Speaker 1: involved in one of the incidents. When you don't do

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Speaker 1: that stuff before an announcement, you create all sorts of problem.

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Speaker 2: And for members of Congress, it makes them a free agent,

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Speaker 2: right So they could be like, yes, there's actually some

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Speaker 2: benefit for them. They could be like, this isn't me.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have anything to do with this. But it

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Speaker 2: also deprives you of the allies that you need when

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Speaker 2: you need them, and I don't. So that's a really

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Speaker 2: difficult that's a really difficult dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of allies, at least Stephonic, she's still a Trump ally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably. I will say this. I found this very interesting. Stephanic,

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Speaker 2: who I've covered since you got to Congress, you know,

633
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Speaker 2: was offered a leadership post by Mike Johnson and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: She relinquished her number four posts in the House Republican leader.

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Speaker 1: She was an elected leader in the House, relinquishes it

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Speaker 1: in order to take this from a less droppers in

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Speaker 1: order to take the you an ambassador job, and then

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Speaker 1: he strips it. You know, probably correct. I mean when

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Speaker 1: you look at what happened in Florida and the you know,

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Speaker 1: we have the shot you know, the issue of the

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Speaker 1: shotgun Trump voters who just don't show up when Trump's

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Speaker 1: not on the ballot, coupled with a fired up den base. Look,

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Speaker 1: I know her district pretty well. I got relatives that

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Speaker 1: live in the in her district, and it's right next

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Speaker 1: to Albany in the capital region. That's a that probably

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Speaker 1: would be a coin flip special din R plus nine

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Speaker 1: ish and meaning republic in this environment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially you have the the Democrat has already

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Speaker 2: raised two million dollars for a special election in a

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Speaker 2: in a in a general election, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: Democrats could win. But you know, to be fair to

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, he told Trump not to do this, that

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Speaker 2: you made.

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Speaker 1: It with Waltz, and I mean, you know, and you

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Speaker 1: can't you can't help but laugh the how close we

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Speaker 1: came to Waltz being out of his job by the

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Speaker 1: time his his seat was filled. I mean, where arguable.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when the oath is going to happen

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Speaker 1: for Randy Fine. And I'm not sure where Mike Waltz is.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure he wakes up every morning right

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Speaker 1: now wondering is this my last day? Considering we know

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Speaker 1: how Trump could just make a truth social post and

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Speaker 1: end it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lipen, I think Randy Fine will be sworn in

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Speaker 2: as soon as possible because they need that cushion along

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Speaker 2: with Jimmy Patronis who's replacing that Gates and Patrona's and

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Speaker 2: find both are long time, you know, pretty established figures

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Speaker 2: since Laura Politics, who, by the way, I assume Chuck

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Speaker 2: will run away with their seats in November twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. I mean, you know, look, what's

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Speaker 1: the most unique thing, and I talked about it on

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Speaker 1: my previous podcast. The most the thing I think people

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Speaker 1: are misreading about Florida one is that you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a Republicans in that district and it's in Pensacolon. I

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Speaker 1: happen to know it. They have a DeSantis problem. Desantas

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Speaker 1: has caused all sorts of like you know, sometimes all

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Speaker 1: politics are actually is local, and he created a local

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Speaker 1: firestorm over the University of West Florida board and all

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Speaker 1: these local officials are just ticked off at them Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And ironically, the guy who is the chief antagonist to

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Speaker 1: DeSantis and trying to do this was Randy Fine. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a fascinating story, but I do think, you know,

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Speaker 1: because to me, the shock wasn't that both of those

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Speaker 1: districts underperformed from twenty four. It was that it was

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Speaker 1: I think we all expected Florida six to be closer

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Speaker 1: than Florida one, and when it didn't happen, you're sitting

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Speaker 1: there going, well, on one hand, national money I think

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Speaker 1: did rescue Fine and probably boosted him four or five points.

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Speaker 1: But with Patrona's that was a separate and it is

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Speaker 1: very Disantus caused it's a fascinating little problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, I agree with everything you said. I

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Speaker 2: was talking to Max Cohen, who covers in parthouse races

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Speaker 2: and Senate races for US, and he said this morning

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Speaker 2: the same thing. They both underperformed and which tells him

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Speaker 2: it's also a structural problem for Republicans right now. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's worth keeping in mind. And I

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Speaker 2: saw it out of the corner of my eye. I didn't

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Speaker 2: study personally, but I think the military and government heavy

699
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Speaker 2: parts of that first district where the military base is

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Speaker 2: underperformed even more so in that Patrona, the former gate seat.

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Speaker 1: Look at Scambia County, which is Pensacola. It's where the

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Speaker 1: naval base is. She carried it, the Democrat carried the county.

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Speaker 1: The last time any Democrat carried that county in any

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Speaker 1: election was Bill Nelson two thousand and six, mister shermant.

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Speaker 2: And that's a different world than it is now. That's

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Speaker 2: the world where there were I don't remember, but there

707
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Speaker 2: were many Florida Democrats. There were people like Alan Boyd

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Speaker 2: who were representing that must have been Florida. That yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was for the adjacent district, right the adjacent district, right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, here's my thing that we were

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Speaker 2: talking about this morning. If you are a Republican right

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Speaker 2: now and you look at Wisconsin, and you look at Florida,

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Speaker 2: and you look at the nationwide poll numbers, and you

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Speaker 2: look at the tariffs and you look at all these things,

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Speaker 2: and you say we're in a great political position, that

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Speaker 2: I just I can't take you that seriously, you know.

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Speaker 1: And actually, so the canary in the coal mine on

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Speaker 1: this is going to be if we suddenly see some

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Speaker 1: Republican retirements in the next six months, or if we

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Speaker 1: suddenly see Republicans looking, hey, maybe this is the time

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go run for a Johney general in

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Speaker 1: my state, or I'm going to go run for something

723
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Speaker 1: because trying if you run for Congress, you're defending Trump

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Speaker 1: and Musk right now. You can't run your own race, agruty.

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Speaker 2: And I think on top of that, there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that I talk to on an everyday

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Speaker 2: basis members of Congress who are kind of run the

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Speaker 2: gamut from like, first of all, Democratic, Democrat and Republican

729
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Speaker 2: who run the gamut from new to old. And I

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Speaker 2: mean meaning, you know, in their thirties to in their

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Speaker 2: fifties and sixties age wise, who are just like, man,

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Speaker 2: this job sucks. It just sucks. And if it doesn't

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Speaker 2: get like.

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Speaker 1: What going on the Democratic side, you mean what Michael

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Speaker 1: Bennett is saying, yeah, basically, but.

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Speaker 2: Also just like if you like, if like who are

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Speaker 2: just like if this doesn't get better, like I'll do

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Speaker 2: one more term, but like I could spend my life

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Speaker 2: in a more enjoyable fashion. Okay, I don't have to

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Speaker 2: do this in this in this institution where it's just

741
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Speaker 2: all about nonsense all the time. And listen, I still

742
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Speaker 2: find a ton of fulfillment with covering Congress. I love it.

743
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Speaker 2: I think the stories are interesting. I think it's like

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Speaker 2: the American story in many ways. But if you are

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Speaker 2: think about it, I mean, you know this better than anybody.

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Speaker 2: You're coming here, You're leaving your family for three, four

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Speaker 2: or five days a week, you have to raise millions

748
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Speaker 2: of dollars to keep your seed, and you're dealing with

749
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Speaker 2: such nonsense with you know, with sense, and you know,

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Speaker 2: just it's just it's tough, man, it's a tough. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not crime to these people, like we all have

752
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Speaker 2: free will in this world, chuck, and we could all

753
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Speaker 2: do what we want. They're choosing to be here, but

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Speaker 2: some of them are like, yeah, this isn't fun anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, Michael Bennett, Democratic Senate from Colorado, who looks like

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Speaker 1: he's all but announced his candidacy for governor because he's

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Speaker 1: trashing the institution as he walks out right now. And

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Speaker 1: I say that with respect. I like Michael a lot.

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Speaker 1: He said a critique that has been said for a

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Speaker 1: long time and it drives me nuts. And he basically said,

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Speaker 1: the problem with the Senate is that nobody has any

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Speaker 1: say if you're not in leadership. And frankly, I would argue,

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Speaker 1: if you're not in the top leadership. You know, I

764
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Speaker 1: joke that there are five hundred and thirty five members

765
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Speaker 1: of Congress, but they are only four that matter.

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Speaker 2: That's how we govern the institution.

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Speaker 1: It is and it's a look you're doing you're doing

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Speaker 1: it the way you should be doing it right now,

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Speaker 1: but this is not how the institution should function.

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Speaker 2: No, And I think that that that criticism of the

771
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Speaker 2: Senate by Bennett's a little bit off, because you do have,

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Speaker 2: especially in a.

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Speaker 1: Narves, have some they have some more influence than the

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Speaker 1: average House member.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but and but but with Trump, it's difficult because

776
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Speaker 2: everything is blue and red. Right, everything is you're you're

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Speaker 2: either rhythm or you're against them on everything. You're not

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Speaker 2: really a free agent. But yeah, that's right, I mean

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Speaker 2: there is nothing. Yeah, I agree with that in the House.

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Speaker 2: You know, this time it's a little bit different because

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Speaker 2: in the House everyone's jomans. Right now, everyone could sway

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Speaker 2: the outcome in the Republican Conference, whether it's Anna.

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Speaker 1: Pole, you're enjoying it, right, yeah, sure, Look, you know

784
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Speaker 1: it's funny. It's like we have a new type of member. Look,

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Speaker 1: you've been doing this now over a decade. It's a

786
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Speaker 1: member of Congress today, right than it was fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Like the average member of Congress fifteen years ago was

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Speaker 1: somebody who I mean, I don't mean you could you

789
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Speaker 1: could stareotype it. You know, they sort of work their

790
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Speaker 1: way up to that moment. We now, what do you

791
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Speaker 1: say about twenty five percent of the membership now are

792
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Speaker 1: sort of by happen, not happenstance is the wrong word,

793
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Speaker 1: because they decided to run. But it's people who ten

794
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: years ago never thought they'd be a member of Congress.

795
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Speaker 1: And over the they said I'm going to do this

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Speaker 1: and they can win, particularly on the Republican zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there are not There are not as many

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Speaker 2: like people who have come up from through the state

799
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Speaker 2: legislature or through local county politics or yeah. And it's people.

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Speaker 2: And again this is nothing against any of these people,

801
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Speaker 2: but it's someone like look at it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's good long term to have a diverse

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Speaker 1: set of life experiences. Like I look, I'm somebody. I

804
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Speaker 1: think we need a double the size of the House.

805
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Speaker 1: I think there needs to be eight hundred members. We

806
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Speaker 1: need an uncapped No. I think it's a huge issue.

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Speaker 1: I think congressional districts are way too big, way too good.

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Speaker 2: I would I would need to triple the size of

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Speaker 2: my team. The Yeah, no, you have Alexandria Cassio Cortez

810
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Speaker 2: who came out of no where to become right by

811
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Speaker 2: the way, quite influential and thoughtful member of Congress on

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Speaker 2: the Democratic side. On the Republican side, you have the

813
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Speaker 2: same thing. You have people who have just decided to

814
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Speaker 2: jump into the mix and jump into the to the

815
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Speaker 2: fray and get into Congress. And you might not agree

816
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Speaker 2: with their politics some of them, but they bring interesting experiences,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's good. And you know, it's not

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Speaker 2: great sometimes because you have people who could just basically say,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to dump two million dollars of my own

820
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Speaker 2: money in this thing, and I'm going to get into Congress,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, it allowed. It's maybe I would

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Speaker 2: I would argue maybe not great, but maybe some people

823
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Speaker 2: would say it is great. So anyway that it is

824
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Speaker 2: a different dynamic for sure.

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Speaker 1: How secretly excited were congressional Republicans that Elon Musk gots

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Speaker 1: butt handed to them? And I say this because there

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Speaker 1: is a when you look at that there were two

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Speaker 1: elected there were three. There were two elections on the

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Speaker 1: ballot in Wisconsin, and I think it's very important to

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Speaker 1: note how the look they were all nonpartisan. One was

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Speaker 1: for Superintendent of Public Construction and one was for the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court seat. Elon Musk was obviously all about the

833
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court seat. That candidate that he endorsed did worse

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Speaker 1: than the Republican endorsed candidate in the superintendent of Public Instruction,

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Speaker 1: So that tells me that he you know, not only

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Speaker 1: was there a turnout advantage for the left, not only

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Speaker 1: was there the typical shotcut voter problem, but there was

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Speaker 1: a there was a slice of voters, about two percentage

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Speaker 1: points of the electorate that voted for the Republican side

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Speaker 1: in public instruction, but then voted for the liberal or

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Speaker 1: maybe just simply voted against Musk. I mean, he was

842
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Speaker 1: clearly a liability in that race, and I know I

843
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Speaker 1: heard some chatter from some Republicans that were like, boy,

844
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Speaker 1: you know, the perfect outcome is win both House seats

845
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Speaker 1: and have Elon fase plan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think listen, I think Elon Musk

847
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Speaker 2: is making the cardinal sin that is that committing the

848
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Speaker 2: cardinal sin that a lot of people commit in who

849
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Speaker 2: come to Washington for the first time and think they

850
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Speaker 2: could just rule the world, which is he is like

851
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Speaker 2: he's cutting stuff and he had you know, Tom Cole

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Speaker 2: said to me a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Weeks ago, and it was one of the one of

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Speaker 3: the more telling quotes that I've that I've had in

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Speaker 3: this era, which is like he you know, who is

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Speaker 3: he to tell me about the you know, Justice Department

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Speaker 3: or the US Attorney office in my district?

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Speaker 2: Like I know my district. I've been in every federal

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Speaker 2: building in mind, and it might not have been us journey,

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Speaker 2: but I've been in every federal building in my district,

861
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Speaker 2: and I could tell you why it matters and why

862
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't. But he's just going in there and acting things,

863
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: and like, maybe we should take it under consideration. But

864
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: like Andy, by the way, he's gonna be gone probably

865
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: after one hundred, you know, ninety or whatever however many

866
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: days it is, and let's see what Dot just come

867
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: up with. I mean, there's no question that this government

868
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: is that and bloated and has all sorts of waste,

869
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: but like, sure, you know, but this is not I

870
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: don't know, this doesn't seem like the most efficient, speaking

871
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: of efficiency, the most efficient way to root some of

872
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 2: this out.

873
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: I just know i'd argue, he actually, it's they're setting

874
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: themselves back. They're going to make it harder. They're going

875
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: to have all these now they have lawsuits, and I

876
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: promise you know how many government contractors are going to

877
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: win lawsuits a couple of years from now for sort

878
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: of unpaid contracts or back pay bankrupt I mean, you

879
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: could just picture it. Companies that had to file for bankruptcy,

880
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: and then they're going to say it's because the government.

881
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, violated this contract, and you know it's just

882
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: you sort of you sort of realize it's definitely going

883
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: to happen. Chuck Schumer's let me ask you this, if

884
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Speaker 1: they're for whatever reason, was the Senate leadership election ted

885
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: day in the Senate Democratic Conference, would Schumer still win it?

886
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

887
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Or would there be would there be would he have

888
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: a real challenger.

889
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know, you would probably have

890
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: a challenger, But there's people are really loyal to him

891
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: and like they might disagree with him on this thing.

892
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: And I God, I think Democrats mishandled the CRS to

893
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: the government funding situation from soup to nuts, from beginning

894
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: to the end.

895
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: So true.

896
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: I mean, they asked for things in the negotiations that

897
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: were unrealistic, and Republicans have made so many blunders over

898
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: the years that I've covered in such detail. The one thing,

899
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 2: one of the things they were good at was trying

900
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: to drive a wedge between Democrats and ask for things

901
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: and negotiations that Democrats would have a hard time saying.

902
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: Note too, it would have a hard time defending saying

903
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: notes is I do think sugar would win the large

904
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: What Bres always put to this way. The largest group

905
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: of people in the Senate Democratic CAUCU is still our

906
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: Chuck Shuober supporters, and it is fifty percent plus one

907
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: race a SEC ballot. I think he still wins.

908
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like it sounds like how you

909
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: would have described McConnell's standing two years ago.

910
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how we described the den right like

911
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: it was, just like it was. He was still the

912
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: most popular.

913
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Well, I'll sell you the phrase, I like to use

914
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: the cleanest pair of dirty underwear in the hamper.

915
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

916
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, everybody's flawed, but you know, I know that

917
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that, and it's clean.

918
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: Enough when they thought listen, I thought Schumer had a

919
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: bad hand and Jeffries had a bad hand, and they didn't,

920
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: and I would I would argue, you know, it's easy

921
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: from the cheap seats. I'm in the cheap seats, probably

922
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: more expensive than some who criticize, but still the cheap seats.

923
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: I just think they mishandled it a little bit. I

924
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: think they should have said, Okay, Donald Trump, Okay, Mike Johnson,

925
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: you say you're not going to touch X, Y and

926
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Speaker 2: Z in your reconciliation bill let's put safeguards around X,

927
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: Y and Z in the spending bill, so you really

928
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: can't do it, And then that would have been a

929
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: winning argument. Of course that's more difficult, but like that's

930
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: how I would have played it if I, having watched

931
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: about five million of these fights in my life, is

932
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: make it. You got to give them something they can't

933
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: they can't say no to.

934
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: How At this point, it's hard to predict, you know,

935
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: anything with this, with the way Trump handles things. But

936
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: we got a debt ceiling issue coming up. They want

937
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: to get this tax cut thing. What is the realistic time.

938
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: I have always assumed that even though they keep saying

939
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Speaker 1: we're not going to do what Biden and the Democrats

940
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: did and let it drag out too long, why does

941
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: it seem inevitable to me that this is still going

942
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: that they're not going to get their big beautiful bill

943
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: until sometime in October and November.

944
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Speaker 2: So you know, Mike Johnson, this is a long running

945
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: disagreement Johnson and I have. I think I'm with you.

946
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: I think a little bit earlier. I think August recess

947
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: is the true backstop. But I would not bet any

948
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: amount of money that they won't go into the fall

949
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: zero dollars. I would bet go into the fall.

950
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: They always do. I mean, right, like this is one

951
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: of those. It's like it's like betting on us a

952
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: one seed versus a sixteen seed. Yeah, it's possible that

953
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: a sixteen seed can win every now and then. It's

954
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: happened twice, right, but it's more likely where you know, Yeah,

955
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: I've heard these deadlines the August recess. Do you know

956
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: how many times I've heard August recess deadlines? Obamacare was

957
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: an August recess deadline. The last tax cut plane was

958
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: an August recess day. Never that is never a real deadline.

959
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: And last time it was December. The Trump signed it

960
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: into law, and we all know why.

961
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: They all do have vacation planes in August or Codel's

962
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: so they won't let it hang. So they're like, a,

963
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: screw it, We'll go to September, and then of course

964
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: you get the Jewish holidays and all this stuff, and

965
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: then suddenly it's post Thanksgiving and you still don't have

966
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: your tax cut.

967
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: Great, and the big problem here is the debt ceiling

968
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: can come up anytime from May to August, and they

969
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: want to raise the debt ceiling by five trillion dollars,

970
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: which is enough to get it through the midterms. And

971
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 2: first of all, they haven't agreed on that number. There's

972
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: still plenty of skeptics and doubters and people who are

973
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: against that number. And I don't know that they could

974
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: finish it in time. And if they don't finish it

975
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: in time, it gives a handle of a lot of

976
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: power to Democrats who will be able to better dictate

977
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: the terms of the debt ceiling agreement.

978
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: All right, let me get you out of hereon this.

979
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: You and I both went to GW. We're trying to

980
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: help revitalize GW bastard doing our best. Do we think

981
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: we have a chance given what we're watching with the

982
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: mid majors? You know, you and I have both been

983
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: sort of been briefed on how they're trying to see

984
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: if they could do this. But you look at all

985
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: these these NCAA Final four teams, and you look at

986
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: their rosters, right, and a lot of them started out

987
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: at mid majors and gravitated to, you know, essentially to

988
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: the top of the of the college basketball food chain.

989
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that looks at this and wonders.

990
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: Is this trying to take dump water out of a

991
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: boat that has a hole in it.

992
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wonder about this a lot, and I

993
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: think Chuck a few things. I think number one, in

994
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: some weird way, if they are willing to spend the

995
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: money that they should spend, they should be able to

996
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: put a good program together. Now that's up to the

997
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: president of the university, and that's up to the athletic director.

998
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm fairly committed to this because she was at Clemson

999
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: as a provost, saw the sort of what Clemson's football

1000
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: success did for the academic success. And Chuck, I tell

1001
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: him because it is linked.

1002
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: I tell them all the time, and I know you

1003
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: do too, because we've had this discussion offline. It is

1004
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: the threat porch to the university. So either do it

1005
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 2: or go D three.

1006
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious how many members of Congress are going to

1007
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: be are going to want to get involved with this

1008
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: mess of how the NCL because we all know everybody's

1009
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: college program is sacri psy to their district, right so

1010
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: there they could easily find a way and we all'm

1011
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, my wife's a big college football fan, and

1012
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: she's been convinced Congress is going to step in simply

1013
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: because it's too much of a mess for it not

1014
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: not to have some sort of federal UH intervention.

1015
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: When the interviewed Charlie Baker a couple of weeks ago

1016
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: at a big conference we hosted in DC, and one

1017
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: of the big pers so, I don't know that they

1018
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't remember exactly what he said.

1019
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like they want Congress to step in,

1020
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: And of course they don't and no, no, no, sorry

1021
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: and realign the conferences or anything like that.

1022
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: No, they don't want that, but they do want some right.

1023
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: Well, they're going to need something on employment status, because

1024
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: if the universities could directly pay players, then that calls

1025
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: into question what their employment status is. And and there

1026
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: are they're going to need a waiver and anti some

1027
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: sort of exemption for sure. And there are people who

1028
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: are going to want Congress to UH centralize or make

1029
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: open NIL deals and give transparency to the process because

1030
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: you know what, if you're a player. Let's use GW

1031
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: for an example. If you're a player that's coming into GW,

1032
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: and GW offers you two hundred thousand dollars and the

1033
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: player says actually bought them off for me six million dollars,

1034
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: Like there's no transparency there. And so I listen, come, Chuck,

1035
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: Congress is so bad at all this and it's just

1036
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a brave new world and it will

1037
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: take Congress years to figure out how to get into

1038
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: the middle of this.

1039
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: No, but you do have a few Bloominthon Booker have

1040
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: always been trying, uh trying to get involved. Booker being

1041
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: a former NO athlete, I know, but uh yeah, it's no,

1042
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: definitely somebody needs to be in charge. Uh but you

1043
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: know these are the GW.

1044
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: GW has two players in the portal right now. Darren Buchanan,

1045
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: who is a DC kid is in.

1046
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: The longest Castro is not in the portal.

1047
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: He Castro. They got to keep, and they got to keep.

1048
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: They gotta get Garret Johnson back this year they will

1049
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: get I would love them to keep Castro. I like,

1050
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: you know, the two guards. Hutchinson's good. I like a

1051
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: lot of these guys, and I like the coach. We

1052
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: both like Chris Computo, my former Miami got Chuck. So

1053
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: it scratches two inches for you.

1054
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: Yes it does. And I don't want to talk about

1055
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: that little tournament we participated in Las Vegas.

1056
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: That was capital.

1057
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: It was at not everybody was playing. We're not going

1058
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: to talk about it, Jake Sherman, you're the man. I

1059
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna over promise here, but I have

1060
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: a feeling I'm going to be inviting you on a lot.

1061
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: So you thank you.

1062
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: I will not go to you. Thanks appreciate it. Well.

1063
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Jake. As I said,

1064
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: he is, he knows all the machinations up there Capitol Hill.

1065
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: You're a young journalist and you're trying to figure out

1066
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: where should you go to become a good journalist. The

1067
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: single best beat in politics as Capitol I call it

1068
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: the crime beat of politics because all there's always a

1069
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: story walk in the halls of Congress and it's open

1070
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: to the public. You don't need an extra press pass

1071
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: or anything. There's always a story to be found in

1072
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: the walk of Congress before we go most Thursdays, I'm

1073
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: going to try to have a mail bag going to

1074
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: try to respond to your questions. Given that this is

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Speaker 1: my first Thursday edition, I do have a couple of

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Speaker 1: questions that I had gotten from the website during my hiatus,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to answer one of them here in

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Speaker 1: a minute. But if you have a question that you'd

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Speaker 1: like me to address, I'm going to try. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I'll take as many as you guys can send from

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Speaker 1: a week to week basis, but you can send it

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Speaker 1: to Ashchuck at vchucktodcast dot com. Again, that email address

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Speaker 1: is Asschuck at vchucktodcast dot com. You can go to

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Speaker 1: the website too, at dchucktodcast dot com and click there

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Speaker 1: if you somehow didn't remember the address I just gave you.

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Speaker 1: But let me answer this question. It comes from Jeff Hall,

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Speaker 1: and here's what he wrote a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 1: He wrote this signal Gate got wiped off the media's

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Speaker 1: windscreen by the third term discussion. Well, the third term

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Speaker 1: threat does exist, but is obviously down the road. Was

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Speaker 1: that just used as a smoke screen to get people

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Speaker 1: to forget about Signal Gate? And now Gmail? Obviously Gmail

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Speaker 1: referring to the news that the National Security Advisor and

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Speaker 1: some others in the Trump administration was using Gmail, which

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Speaker 1: is a violation of federal open records policies, etc. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, Jeff is that when it comes to Trump

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Speaker 1: and the various shiny metal objects that perhaps we in

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Speaker 1: the larger press court chase, the idea that they're planned,

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Speaker 1: I think is a bit overstated. Donald Trump doesn't plan anything,

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Speaker 1: and in many ways he's both a reporter's dream and

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Speaker 1: a potential nightmare. What do I mean by that, Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: Let me put it. Let me put in these terms.

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Speaker 1: If you know the movie Anchorman, the First the First Anchorman,

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Speaker 1: there's this great scene where they sort of make fun

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Speaker 1: of Ron Burgundy and the producers go, you know you can.

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Speaker 1: He'll say anything that's in that teleprompter. Me thing, Well,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump will. He will muse about any idea you

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Speaker 1: give him. If you say to him, have you ever

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Speaker 1: thought about making Japan the fifty second state? He might

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Speaker 1: say no, but I'll think about it. And you could

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Speaker 1: immediately turn that into a headline. Donald Trump is thinking

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Speaker 1: about trying to acquire Japan as America's fifty second state.

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Speaker 1: This is assuming, of course, after Canada's becomes the fifty

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Speaker 1: first date. That's the This is the danger in asking

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Speaker 1: these third term questions. On one hand, if he is

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Speaker 1: actually doing things that are trying to find a legal

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Speaker 1: path to do a third term. That's newsworthy. If you

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Speaker 1: ask him to muse about it, is it? You know?

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Speaker 1: Is it a news story? Right that that becomes the trap.

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Speaker 1: And it is a very sticky topic right the minute

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Speaker 1: it's out there. And you saw, my goodness, they're op

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Speaker 1: eds everywhere, they're law professors everywhere. And it seems like

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Speaker 1: we have this news cycle about every three months. We

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Speaker 1: were having it even the last time when people were

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Speaker 1: wondering what is he gonna Is he going to abide

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Speaker 1: by the fact that he's only going to get one term,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. I am very you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: reporters ought to stop asking the question. In some ways,

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Speaker 1: you may be coming. The more he's asked about it,

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Speaker 1: the more he talks about it, the more normalized the

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Speaker 1: idea might become. And so look, it's always been tricky

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Speaker 1: how to cover Donald Trump, which is do you push

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Speaker 1: the envelope there get people, do you assume the worst

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Speaker 1: and prepare for the worst, or do you cover what's

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Speaker 1: in front of you and sort of calibrate on some

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Speaker 1: of the things that you ask. So I will say this,

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Speaker 1: I am and maybe I'm the naive one and some

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Speaker 1: of you might chime in here and say, I'm being naive.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the third there's just no constitutional avenue

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Speaker 1: for the third term. No, under no circle. I've seen

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Speaker 1: a few legal scholars claim there is. It is not there.

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Speaker 1: The twenty second Amendment says what it says, and then

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Speaker 1: the twelfth Amendment takes away the loophole that's been floated

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Speaker 1: because it says if you are not eligible to be president,

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Speaker 1: then you are not eligible to be vice president. Now,

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Speaker 1: some might argue, well that when the twelfth Amendment language

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Speaker 1: was written, there was no twenty second Amendment. But I

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Speaker 1: think that's quite the reach, and I think it's sort

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Speaker 1: of it is such a long way away in a

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Speaker 1: convoluted way. I will just say this, if you ask

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Speaker 1: the question to him, you're doing him a favor. Do

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Speaker 1: I think it was planned? Though? No, nothing with Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump as planned. That's I think we've all learned that

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Speaker 1: lesson the hard way. Appreciate the question. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys send more to me again. Ask Chuck at the

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Speaker 1: chucktodcast dot com. Who knows. Maybe I'll go live one

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Speaker 1: day if there's so many of them and we can

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Speaker 1: do a live Q and A if I picked the

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Speaker 1: right moment or the right time. But with that, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to sign off for this episode and we will

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Speaker 1: be I will look forward to seeing you on all

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Speaker 1: of these channels the next time that we published, So

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Speaker 1: with that, I'll see you later until we upload again.