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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Big Day in Oklahoma City thunder parade today. They even

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Speaker 2: sent out a notice. They gave you parade etiquette. What

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Speaker 2: to do, what to bring hydrate, make sure that you

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Speaker 2: don't lose sight of your kids, biggest, bring a snack.

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Speaker 3: They gave you etiquette.

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Speaker 2: Well, they haven't had a parade out there, at least

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Speaker 2: not a professional parade, I don't think. But they gave

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Speaker 2: you some tips on how to enjoy the parade. I think,

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: There's this rush to is okay See one of the

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Speaker 2: great teams of all time? And the answer is no,

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Speaker 2: they're not. They had a great regular season, but you

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Speaker 2: were pushed to seven games by Denver and pushed to

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Speaker 2: seven games by Indiana. Great teams don't get pushed to

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Speaker 2: seven games, not twice in a playoff series. Now, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they're not in the hall of very

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Speaker 2: good teams. I think, what's going to happen? This will

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Speaker 2: work in reverse. It might be two or three years

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Speaker 2: from now when we look back at Oka See and say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, they were a great team, Because we're

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Speaker 2: going to see what's going to happen in the next

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Speaker 2: couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's not fair to them.

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Speaker 2: I know Oklahoma City thunder fans get upset when we

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Speaker 2: don't crown them and then praise them. Well, we crown them.

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Speaker 2: We have praised them, But don't look for this. You

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Speaker 2: know the fast pass to go to great teams of

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Speaker 2: all time? You're not oka see right now is a

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Speaker 2: one hit wonder and it's a big hit. But let's

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Speaker 2: see what you do. What do you add to your

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Speaker 2: catalog that will determine greatness? You know those standalone teams,

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Speaker 2: There've been standalone teams. They won that one time. It's

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Speaker 2: really hard to repeat. And that's what we have to

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Speaker 2: factor in. That's why we can say, well it's parody,

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Speaker 2: but trying to sustain greatness.

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Speaker 3: That's why dynasties are rare for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Remember the Celtics were taken over the sport and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're not. Jason Tatum goes down.

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Speaker 2: Who knows if he's going to play this next season.

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Speaker 2: Go back to twenty fourteen Seattle Seahawks. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: that defense, young, intimidating, dominant, young quarterback Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 3: Your head coach, that dynasty never materialized.

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Speaker 2: Okac is talented, Sga is the star, Jalen Williams, Chad

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Speaker 2: Holmgren kind of in the on deck circle. Dynasties are

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Speaker 2: not just about being young and good. It's about evolving,

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Speaker 2: it's about enduring. It's about delivering again and again and again. Okay, see,

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Speaker 2: just enjoyed the parade. Enjoy the title.

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Speaker 3: You earned it.

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Speaker 2: But greatness isn't handed out at a parade. You gotta

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Speaker 2: earn it every single week, every single season, every single

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Speaker 2: day you got a banner, getting that second banner is

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Speaker 2: going to be even tougher. And this is where we

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Speaker 2: sometimes forget greatness. You know, Jordan never went to a

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Speaker 2: Game seven. That's brought up all the time, but that's

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Speaker 2: important to remember. He went against good teams Utah Jazz.

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Speaker 2: They won sixty games. It felt like every year they

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Speaker 2: were a really good team. I thought that Seattle SuperSonics

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Speaker 2: team was as talented as any team I'd seen in

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Speaker 2: a long time. But they they won when they needed

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Speaker 2: to win. They didn't need to get to a Game seven.

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Speaker 2: You were on the ropes. You could have lost to

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Speaker 2: Denver and you could have lost to the Pacers. If

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Speaker 2: Halliburton stays healthy, we have a different outcome in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: But okay, see you want it. And Shay Gilgis was

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Speaker 2: a wonderful player. Now we want to have him. We

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Speaker 2: want to put him into the Kobe category or Jordan

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Speaker 2: as a scorer.

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Speaker 3: I know. We want to do it. We want this

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Speaker 2: Instead of saying, how about just let this play out

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Speaker 2: a little bit, there's nothing wrong with, you know, tapping

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Speaker 2: the brake on this. You had a wonderful season. Let's

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Speaker 2: don't make it more than what it was. A wonderful season.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the parade. I can't wait till Opening night. You celebrate.

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Speaker 2: You have a banner, championship rings, You've earned every bit

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Speaker 2: of that. But let's be fair. Put it in context.

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Speaker 2: You were pushed to seven games by an Indiana team

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Speaker 2: that was the biggest underdog in the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: In the NBA Finals. You were pushed to seven games

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Speaker 2: by a Denver team that fired its head coach.

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Speaker 3: Two weeks before the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Put it in context, and in two or three years

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Speaker 2: from now, we may look back and go, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we miss that? Or Okay, they won their one title,

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Speaker 2: all right, we'll come up with a poll question here, Seaton,

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Speaker 2: you got one for hour one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I do. That's a topic that we

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Speaker 5: were all kicking around before the show. But there's been

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Speaker 5: a bunch of achilles tears coincidence or is there a reason?

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Speaker 4: All right, we.

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Speaker 2: Reached out to a Harvard educated orthopedic surgeon who has

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Speaker 2: been on the show before, former Offensive lineman doctor Mark Addocks,

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Speaker 2: and he's going to join us a little bit later

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Speaker 2: on because you start to think about it, Okay, Tatum

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Speaker 2: Halliburton and Dame Achilles tears. Kevin Durant with achilles tears.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember Isaiah Thomas tore his achilles late

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Speaker 2: in his career.

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Speaker 3: But I'm trying to remember growing up in.

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Speaker 2: The sixties or the seventies, if anybody tore their achilles

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Speaker 2: in the NBA. Now you can say today's athlete is

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Speaker 2: so much better. Absolutely, but you would think, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is not athletic anymore. He tore his achilles.

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Speaker 2: Dan Marino not athletic. He tore his achilles just going

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Speaker 2: back to pass. Nobody hit him. So that's why I'm

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Speaker 2: curious about this and the surgery by the way. Haliburton

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Speaker 2: had surgery in New York yesterday. It was successful. It's

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Speaker 2: always successful. But I don't know when he's coming back.

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Speaker 2: That really affects the East Tatum. I don't know when

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Speaker 2: he's coming back. But Haliburton said, Hey, if I had

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Speaker 2: to do it all over again, I would have done

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Speaker 3: I don't think I would do it the same way.

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Speaker 2: If I knew that I was going to tear my

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Speaker 2: achilles and it's going to impact next season for my team,

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Speaker 2: I probably would have said, you know, maybe use me sparingly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, So if.

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Speaker 4: You knew you were going to lose, would you still

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Speaker 2: If I knew I was going to lose, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to impact my team next.

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Speaker 3: Year if you know you're going to blow out your achilles.

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Speaker 2: So he gets to Game seven, all of a sudd udden,

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Speaker 2: he's made a couple of moves and he goes, hey

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Speaker 2: But if if we know what the end result is

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Speaker 2: I can't have an impact on and it's gonna impact

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Speaker 2: my team next year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, pulm all right.

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Speaker 6: To put this in perspective, we're gonna have to go

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Speaker 6: back to Kurt Shilling and four we discuss this on

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Speaker 6: this show a zillion years ago. If Tyre's Halliburton on

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Speaker 6: going into Game seven can sign up for I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: play seven minutes, play well, tear my achilles and be

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Speaker 6: out for next year, and we're gonna win a title.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, win a title.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's where it's an actual discussion. Would you sign

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Speaker 6: on a piece of paper to lose your entire next season?

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Speaker 3: Is my team going to need me?

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Speaker 4: You're gonna play.

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Speaker 2: He's certainly playing seven minutes, so you're gonna this is

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Speaker 2: based off my teammates.

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Speaker 6: Or you roll the dice and whatever happens in game

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Speaker 6: seven happens if you don't sign that piece of paper.

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Speaker 6: We asked Chilling that on this air. He said he'd

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Speaker 6: be glad to with his ankle thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't I don't know what he was

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Speaker 2: risking with that ankle, other than that ankle looked terrible,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if he was risking his career

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Speaker 2: Haliburton with his achilles, you're never the same. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you can pretend that you are. I'm back and better

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Speaker 2: than ever. It's like micro fracture surgery with your knee.

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Speaker 2: I had that, you know, Amari Stodommeyer. You know a

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Speaker 2: lot of NBA players have had it. You don't come

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Speaker 2: back from it. There's certain injuries where okay, you're going

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Speaker 2: to be. This is as good as you're going to be.

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Speaker 2: I think we'd come pretty far with the achilles. But

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Speaker 2: if you said I'm signing up for playing seven minutes,

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Speaker 2: I'm blowing out my achilles. We're going to go win

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Speaker 2: the title, I'd say, why don't you guys go win

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Speaker 2: the title. I'm gonna sit here and watch, and then

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Speaker 2: I'll be here next year to play with you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, tud I'd be.

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Speaker 7: Concerned, and I think most athletes would be. I may

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Speaker 7: never get a chance to play for a title a

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Speaker 7: game seven. This could be my only chance an even

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Speaker 7: if I'm going to run the risk of not being

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Speaker 7: able to play next year, how could you not be

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Speaker 7: part of that?

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Speaker 4: If you're not a huge.

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Speaker 3: Party, you're going to sign up for seven minutes. Seven

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Speaker 3: minutes you got on the court and played.

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Speaker 4: Some small factor whatever.

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Speaker 3: You but you were on the court for your championship

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Speaker 8: Yeah you may.

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Speaker 7: You may never be able to play again in a

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Speaker 3: Look at damn Marina there.

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Speaker 7: You guys would get one chance and then after that

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Speaker 7: you're done forever, not even snipping a chance to play

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Speaker 4: I think you got to do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be out there for seven minutes

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Speaker 2: knowing that I'm going to be into surgery in a

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Speaker 2: couple of days and out for the next season. My

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Speaker 2: teammates are going to win that title, but they're probably not. Actually,

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Speaker 2: they're unlikely to because of the odds with you being out.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma said he would be an overwhelming favorite that game,

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Speaker 2: so that's the risk.

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Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: They were an overwhelming favorite every single game, and they

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Speaker 2: were favored by nine one and a half in the

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Speaker 2: championship game. It didn't matter about Halliburton. They were favored

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Speaker 2: by nine and a half. Yes, Marmu, but.

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Speaker 9: Halliburton would be a He'd be in a Willis Reed

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Speaker 9: type spot if he came out there and needed the

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Speaker 9: exact same thing. Started out hot and the rest of

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Speaker 9: his team Nemhart, Nate Smith, whoever took him home, he

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Speaker 9: would still be looked at as a as a legend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what happened to Willis Reid after that game?

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Speaker 2: What happened next next season? Does anybody remember when Willis

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Speaker 2: came out and only played a few minutes, hit a

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Speaker 2: couple of buckets, See he was done. Does anybody remember

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Speaker 2: what his season was like the following No, they don't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he wasn't even available. I mean, I know that

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Speaker 2: he had knee surgery, probably later in his career, probably

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Speaker 2: didn't play much longer after that. But here's Haliburton, who's young.

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Speaker 2: I would not I would not go if I knew

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Speaker 2: it's I know, it's a crazy hypothetical because if you

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Speaker 3: No, the game was nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: Durant going to the Rockets. Why is Kevin Durant on

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Speaker 12: I think that's the easy explanation to say that is

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Speaker 3: How does Phoenix not get Thompson?

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Speaker 2: Reed Shepherd or like it felt like the Rockets were like,

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Speaker 3: Sure will do that.

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Speaker 12: That is the art of negotiation, Dan, That is where

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Speaker 4: There's no president for.

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Speaker 12: The long jevity of these old guys being able to

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Speaker 12: Well, Dan, it's hard to say, because I thought Brooklyn

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Speaker 4: These thos going to their.

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Speaker 12: Forties, Dan, they need to be like sitting up somewhere

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Speaker 4: What's their problem?

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Speaker 12: At all when you're playing AAU basketball all those games today,

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Speaker 2: Yes, but we said that. I said it last week.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Granted Aaron Rodgers wasn't doing anything, just back to pass.

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Speaker 12: calf injury, remember Luka Doncic had a calf injury in

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Speaker 12: Dallas that we kind of wonder, Okay, is he in

438
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Speaker 12: good enough shape? And all these other type of things.

439
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Speaker 12: All these injuries aren't created equal, they aren't birth by

440
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Speaker 12: the same things, but they do produce the same risk,

441
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Speaker 12: and we have to look at them like, this is

442
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Speaker 12: a risk, especially when you're playing one hundred games into

443
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Speaker 12: a season and Dan, the game is moving so fast.

444
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Speaker 12: That's what you gotta be careful.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Vincent Goodwill He is a Yahu Sports senior

446
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Speaker 2: NBA writers. Latest article has to do with Kevin Durant

447
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Speaker 2: with the Rockets. I'm curious about the Spurs if they're

448
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Speaker 2: taking Dylan Harper, so that backcourt's pretty crowded. So I

449
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Speaker 2: got the Rookie of the Year, I got dearon Fox,

450
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Speaker 2: and it feels like somebody is not going to be

451
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Speaker 2: long for San Antonio. What are the Spurs gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 12: Talking to people around the league, the Spurs are the

454
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Speaker 12: team that they're like, Okay, keep an eye on them,

455
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Speaker 12: because the Spurs like to keep things close to the best.

456
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Speaker 4: They're not going to go out and telegraph their moves.

457
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Speaker 12: Remember, we didn't see the darn Fox trade happening like

458
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Speaker 12: they already they already got a young guard there and

459
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Speaker 12: then he added another one, right, so I wouldn't be surprised.

460
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Speaker 12: Like there have been instances where I don't know if

461
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Speaker 12: you remember this stand the Phoenix Sons of ninety seven

462
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Speaker 12: had Kevin Johnson, a young Steve Nash and Jason Kidd

463
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Speaker 12: and they wound up working out that you know, kJ

464
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Speaker 12: was a little bit older, Steve Nash was a little

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Speaker 12: bit unfounded at the time, and you kind of let

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Speaker 12: these things work themselves out.

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Speaker 4: You take the best player available. Like I don't.

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Speaker 12: I'm not a believer in reaching, but I am a

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Speaker 12: believer in the Spurs having number two and number fourteen.

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Speaker 12: I think they had number two hoping that Kevin Durant

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Speaker 12: would pick them and they would use that as far

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Speaker 12: as draft capital in the trade. But now that they don't,

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Speaker 12: I wonder if they're going to take I don't see

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Speaker 12: that being a tenable thing. But also, it is supposed

475
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Speaker 12: to be a positionless league, and that what they tell us.

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Speaker 12: I don't believe that. Mind you, I don't believe it's

477
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Speaker 12: a positionless league. I think that's a bunch of ball.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing, though, when you look back on the

479
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Speaker 2: Phoenix Suns, you had three Hall of fame point guards.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Kj's a Hall of famer, but he

481
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Speaker 2: played like a Hall of famer at times. Kid and

482
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Speaker 2: Steve Nash. But you're right, nobody knew about Nash. I

483
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Speaker 2: remember being at a practice facility and watching Nash and

484
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Speaker 2: I go, you know that that's the kid from Santa Clara,

485
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Speaker 2: Like he's he's pretty good, and then they've said, well

486
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Speaker 2: he won't play here. He won't start here and then

487
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden he goes to Dallas and next

488
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Speaker 2: thing you know, you know he's somebody unique. But you

489
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Speaker 2: didn't worry about salaries back then, Vincent. Now I got

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Speaker 2: Dearon Fox. What's he going to cost me? Although I

491
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Speaker 2: get Castle and harper On, you know rookie deals, Daron

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Speaker 2: Fox is going to cost me a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: So it feels like he might be the guy Jettison here.

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Speaker 4: Well, you just got him like that.

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Speaker 2: But I think if you knew that you were gonna

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Speaker 2: end up with a second pick like I, they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have made the move, probably for him, if they knew

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Speaker 2: they were going to be.

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Speaker 3: In this situation. I like him, but if I can get.

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Speaker 2: Younger and I don't spend money, I thought they were

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Speaker 2: going to get Durant. I thought that that they realized

502
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Speaker 2: that he can help us, he can take pressure, he

503
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Speaker 2: can be a bucket. And but you know, they're they're

504
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Speaker 2: not yet where the rockets are, and the rockets might

505
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Speaker 2: be a year away. San Antonio feels like maybe two

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Speaker 2: years away from being uh oh, here they come.

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Speaker 12: Well, Victor's coming, and I think there's a difference between

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Speaker 12: Victor's coming and the Spurs are coming. I think they're

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Speaker 12: on two different kind of a little bit different timeline.

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Speaker 3: Will he be the best player in the game in

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Speaker 3: five years?

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Speaker 4: If not him, who are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Well, Shay Gilgess is going to be there for a

514
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Speaker 2: little while, whether you whether you believe that, But it

515
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Speaker 2: feels like you know by twenty five. I think I

516
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Speaker 2: said that he'll be the best player in the sport Victor.

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Speaker 12: I mean, why won't he be the best player in

518
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Speaker 12: the sport two years from now? Why won't he be

519
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Speaker 12: the best player in.

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Speaker 4: The sport next year?

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Speaker 12: Like, do you see what he's doing. He's out there

522
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Speaker 12: with the monks. He looks like Eddie Murphy and the

523
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Speaker 12: Golden Child. Do you remember that movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bad movie. That was a bad

525
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Speaker 2: good reference bad movie. But yeah, he's with the Tibetan

526
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Speaker 2: monks there. But yeah, I look, I'm a big fan

527
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Speaker 2: because he should have been Defensive Player of the Year

528
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Speaker 2: the last two years. But I just wonder can the

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Speaker 2: team keep up with him?

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Speaker 4: Is that he's well, he's not going anywhere, And here's

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Speaker 4: the thing.

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Speaker 2: No, but the talent around him, can they keep up

533
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Speaker 2: with him? As he develops, so Castle can he shoot better?

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Speaker 2: Is Harper going to be you know, a true you know,

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Speaker 2: go to guy. Who else do you have on that

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Speaker 2: team who's going to help you?

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Speaker 3: You know? So that that would be my only concern

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Speaker 3: with that.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 12: I mean I think they have pieces that you can move,

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Speaker 12: the Jeremy so Ha and the Keldon Johnson's guys like

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Speaker 12: that that you if you're talking about packaging players and

543
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Speaker 12: figuring stuff out, if you want to press the fast

544
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Speaker 12: forward button, but until a player goes into his first

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Speaker 12: rookie extension, and if you think about this like the NFL,

546
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Speaker 12: where if you get a quarterback on a rookie contract

547
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Speaker 12: and you start putting in those veteran pieces around him,

548
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Speaker 12: like seat I'll deal with Russell Wilson like a decade ago.

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Speaker 12: That's what the NBA is turning into now, where if

550
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Speaker 12: you get a guy on the first contract or the

551
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Speaker 12: first rookie extension, that's when you start building a championship team.

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Speaker 12: That's why you have all these teams sort of positioning

553
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Speaker 12: themselves to make runs now before guys.

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Speaker 4: Get really really expensive.

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Speaker 12: I wouldn't be surprised if the San Antonio Spurst put

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Speaker 12: all their chips to the center of the table.

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Speaker 4: But traditionally that's not how they have operated.

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Speaker 3: All Right, what's the better version of Michael Jordan? Young

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Speaker 3: Mike or old Mike or veteran our veteran Mike. I'll

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Speaker 3: give you five years of the next five years.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's that middle five. It is.

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Speaker 12: It is eighty nine to ninety three Michael Jordan. And

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Speaker 12: I don't think it's particularly close. Like in eighty nine,

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Speaker 12: he was scary, just like the triple doubles, and he

565
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Speaker 12: was going into his body and he took that really

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Speaker 12: not good bulls seam to the Eastern Conference Finals where

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Speaker 12: he took two games off of a Detroit team that

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Speaker 12: didn't lose to anybody else that season that series, and

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Speaker 12: then the next year you could see he was really

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Speaker 12: coming and really going to show up. And then you

571
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Speaker 12: went when you run off three in a row, and

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Speaker 12: I know that the bad boys were old and Magic

573
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Speaker 12: carried a bunch of dudes who were magic and the

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Speaker 12: who's who of who in nineteen ninety one to the

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Speaker 12: NBA Finals. He didn't have a direct equal because of

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Speaker 12: leamnbias and because of the calendar, but there was no

577
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Speaker 12: greater player we've ever seen in this league's history besides

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Speaker 12: Michael Jordan between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety three. Now,

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Speaker 12: the nineteen ninety seven Michael Jordan, the adult, grown Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 12: That guy put up the best NBA Finals we've ever seen. Legit,

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Speaker 12: from game to game, from the flu game to the

582
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Speaker 12: triple double to the game winning game one. Performance by performance,

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Speaker 12: that's the best NBA Finals we've ever seen. As far

584
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Speaker 12: as game to game effect. That was a thirty two,

585
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Speaker 12: thirty three year old. Okay, you can, you can, you

586
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Speaker 12: can take a pick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But is Michael the first and second best player

588
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Speaker 2: of all time? If I look at what he was

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Speaker 2: in eighty nine and what he was in ninety six

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Speaker 2: ninety seven.

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Speaker 12: Well, well I will tell you this, and this is

592
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Speaker 12: what's something someone told me.

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Speaker 4: So it's not original.

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Speaker 12: Michael Jordan is so great he went into the Hall

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Speaker 12: of Fame as two players, himself and Scottie Pippen.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, that's cold blooded.

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Speaker 12: I am from Detroit, Dand we do we do, we

598
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Speaker 12: do call Scotty sitting ball around here.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Gilbert Arenas said that he can't believe that people

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Speaker 2: treat Kobe like he was his sidekick when he was

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Speaker 2: with Shaq in that three pete. There is that fair

602
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Speaker 2: to say that he shouldn't have been viewed as Shack's sidekick.

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Speaker 12: I think the problem is revisionist history has sort of

604
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Speaker 12: made people go to the stat sheet and said, man,

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Speaker 12: Tracy McGrady was a really good player. He could have

606
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Speaker 12: done what Kobe did. No, he couldn't have like Kobe

607
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 12: actually carried the Lakers in some of those playoffs series. Now,

608
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 12: two thousand, Kobe wasn't fully grown. He was still twenty

609
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Speaker 12: one years I think twenty two years old, and he

610
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Speaker 12: was still battling a little bit of inconsistency and find himself.

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Speaker 12: But by two thousand and one, no no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 12: no no. By two thousand and one, he was arguably

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Speaker 12: the best player in the game. Like the way he

614
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Speaker 12: dominated that San Antonio Spurs series in the Western Conference

615
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Speaker 12: Finals where he was taking forty point games on the

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Speaker 12: road against Tim Duncan and David Robinson and going to

617
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Speaker 12: the basket and dunking on them.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, there is.

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Speaker 12: As much as there is dan a big gap between

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Speaker 12: Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, and I think there is

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Speaker 12: a huge gap between those two plays. There's even as

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Speaker 12: greater of a gap between Kobe Bryant and anybody else

623
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Speaker 12: that you feel like you can put in those spots

624
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 12: because Shaquille O'Neal needed somebody, and he just didn't need

625
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Speaker 12: a Vince Card or Tracy McGrady. Like those guys were great,

626
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 12: great players, But Kobe had an appetite and all around

627
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 12: complete game, especially defensively where he would really get after it.

628
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Speaker 12: I think, you know, it's funny when he died, it

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Speaker 12: was almost like there was an overarching sort of reach

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Speaker 12: to put him in a certain spot. And now all

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Speaker 12: of a sudden, we're going to downplay. No, no, no, Can

632
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Speaker 12: we just bring it a little bit to the middle.

633
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Speaker 12: I'm not going to say Kobe Bryant's rings didn't count,

634
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 12: like if you're not the number one guy, don't count whatever,

635
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 12: because Magic Johnson played with Kareem al Dula Jabbar, whose

636
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Speaker 12: rings were those in nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty two, and

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Speaker 12: eighty five. Like, I don't want to parse that and

638
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 12: turn that discussion into something that is not.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this, and I'll leave you with this with

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Speaker 2: Okase that I know, we want to fast track them

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Speaker 2: to being a great team of all time, which they're not. Uh,

642
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, you went to Game seven twice. You had

643
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Speaker 2: to hold off the biggest underdog in the last twenty

644
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: five years according to the odds makers. It took a

645
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: guy blowing out his achilles.

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Speaker 3: You hold on, you won.

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Speaker 2: We might look differently at this OKC team in three

648
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Speaker 2: years with what happens, they could be the Toronto Raptors,

649
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: or they might have some sustainability here, which I hope

650
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: they do and they probably should. But I think we

651
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Speaker 2: want to have that coronation of this is one of

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Speaker 2: the great teams of all time, great regular season. Denver

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Speaker 2: took them to seven, Indiana took him to seven. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I would just say, enjoy, enjoy your parade,

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Speaker 2: enjoy your title. Don't put him in there with the

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Speaker 2: one Lakers or the you know, eighty six Celtics or

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Speaker 2: you know they're not there.

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Speaker 3: But that's okay.

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Speaker 12: What do you think I think the difference between all

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Speaker 12: of those teams that you mentioned that some of the

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Speaker 12: single seasons and greatest teams eighty six Celtics, eighty seven Lakers,

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Speaker 12: eighty three seventy six Ers that only won one championship,

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Speaker 12: oh one Lakers. All those teams have gone through multiple

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Speaker 12: playoff runs, winning, losing everything else. This is their second

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Speaker 12: playoff run together, Dan, And that's where you can look

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Speaker 12: at it and say, man, do they still have.

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Speaker 4: More room to grow that?

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Speaker 12: And you don't know in today's NBA, especially with them

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Speaker 12: being in Oklahoma City, and we don't know how they're

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Speaker 12: going to handle Jalen Williams coming up for a Max,

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Speaker 12: chet Holmgren coming up for a Max and having all

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Speaker 12: those draft picks and figuring out the economics of the

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Speaker 12: game there. But we've had seven different champions in the

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Speaker 12: last seven years. Then we say the same thing about Milwaukee. Oh,

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Speaker 12: they're going to go on a run. Boston they're going

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Speaker 12: to go on a run. Denver they got Nicola yokis

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Speaker 12: the best player in the game. They're going to go

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Speaker 12: on a run. The game moves faster than ever, quicker

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Speaker 12: than ever.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

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Speaker 12: I think they are one of the best single season

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Speaker 12: teams we've ever seen. It remains to be seen if

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Speaker 12: they have as long as a runway. What if Dan,

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Speaker 12: they are the San Antonio Spurs, would they never go

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Speaker 12: back to back, but they win championships over a fifteen

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Speaker 12: year period. Where the ninety nine team looks totally different

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Speaker 12: than the old seventeen looks totally different than the twenty

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Speaker 12: fourteen team, but there's a common denominator and a common

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Speaker 12: threat there. We would still say they are wildly successful,

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Speaker 12: especially in today's NBA.

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Speaker 2: Will said Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo's Sports senior NBA writer, host

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Speaker 2: of The Good Word podcast on Yahoo's Sports and Serious

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Speaker 2: XM NBA host.

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you so always. Thank you, Ben always.

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Speaker 4: I love the Living for the City.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, little Stevie Wonder Living for the City,

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Speaker 2: got a little T shirt going on there.

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Speaker 3: I see what you're doing. Thank you, Vince.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Mark Addams sees the Harvard educated orthopedic surgeon.

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Speaker 3: He's smarter than you.

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Speaker 2: Former offensive lineman, in fact, won a super with the

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Speaker 2: team formerly known as the Redskins. Doc, good to talk

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Speaker 2: to you again. We gave you our theory, or at

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Speaker 2: least Paul had a theory of the step back jumper.

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Speaker 2: Would that have anything to do with the proliferation of

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Speaker 2: Achilles tears? And then we'll get to your theory.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean the step back is not that much force, right,

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Speaker 10: I mean you've seen running backs tear as they go

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Speaker 10: to step back to accelerate forward. But I mean you

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Speaker 10: also see Achilles tears where guys are going to cut,

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Speaker 10: and so do I think the step back is more

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Speaker 10: force than someone running full speed and going to cut

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Speaker 10: and push off the leg? No, I mean, I really

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Speaker 10: don't think so. I don't think it's it's just because

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Speaker 10: guys are doing more step backs that you're going to

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Speaker 10: see more Achilles taars. The other thing is it used

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Speaker 10: to be that you didn't even worry about an Achilles

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Speaker 10: tear in an athlete that wasn't around or beyond thirty

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Speaker 10: years of age, and now you're seeing these twenty two,

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Speaker 10: twenty five year old get hurt.

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Speaker 8: It really is, It really is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what's your theory?

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Speaker 8: So my theory is twofold one.

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Speaker 10: I think that athletes now are a little bigger, a

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Speaker 10: little stronger, a little faster, a little more explosive. The

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Speaker 10: other one is is that it used to be when

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Speaker 10: you weren't playing sports, you were still active, do you

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Speaker 10: know what I mean? When you weren't playing your particular sport,

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Speaker 10: you still were running around and you were on your

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Speaker 10: feet all day long. Now, I think that most recreation

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Speaker 10: is sedentary, whether it's you know, cable TV, whether it's streaming,

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Speaker 10: whether it's video games.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I just think that people are more sedentary

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Speaker 10: when they're not doing their sport. And so the combination

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Speaker 10: of having bigger, stronger, more explosive athletes combined with someone

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Speaker 10: that isn't conditioning their muscles and tendons and all the

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Speaker 10: time is having a bad effect.

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Speaker 3: How can it be prevented?

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Speaker 8: I mean a good question.

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Speaker 10: I mean, maybe thrown away smartphones and having people walk

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Speaker 10: around and be active more during the day.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think.

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Speaker 10: That's gonna happen necessarily, but I mean there's got to

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Speaker 10: be better training techniques. There's got to be better training

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Speaker 10: techniques to strengthen that muscular tendeness and that tendnis bony junction.

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Speaker 10: Because we definitely are seeing more achilles, but I think

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Speaker 10: we're even seeing more serious quad growing hamstring. I mean,

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Speaker 10: we're seeing more muscle injuries than we used to.

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Speaker 2: It feels like, you know, we've mastered hip replacement, Tommy John,

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Speaker 2: feels like we've kind of mastered that shoulders are still

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Speaker 2: the juries out on shoulders and the achilles, it feels

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Speaker 2: like it was twelve months now, it feels like coming

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Speaker 2: back to eight month months, nine months.

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Speaker 3: What has changed with that surgery?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean they are.

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Speaker 10: Doing them more minimally invasively, which which obviously eliminates the

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Speaker 10: problem with wound healing, but it also by by creating

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Speaker 10: less trauma, I think it allows the body to heal

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Speaker 10: a little bit more naturally. You know Torrell Suggs, you know,

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Speaker 10: the outside linebacker pass rush specialist for Baltimore.

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Speaker 8: Many years ago.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think he's kind of the record he

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Speaker 10: returned to Sport six months after one of his achilles.

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Speaker 10: He actually tore both of his achilles over the course

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Speaker 10: of his career, but he was over thirty when he

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Speaker 10: did that. But I do think it's possible now or

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Speaker 10: even more likely more common to see guys coming back

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Speaker 10: eight nine months, which still eats significantly into tyres Heliberts

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Speaker 10: in season next.

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Speaker 3: Year, and Jason Tatum as well.

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Speaker 8: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, good point, good point of freaking stars.

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Speaker 2: Fritzie got hurt playing pickleball. He wasn't wearing his pickleball

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Speaker 2: shoes and he.

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Speaker 8: Has do didn't even know there was such a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has plantar fascis.

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Speaker 10: Oh by all right, So planet fasciis one you want

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Speaker 10: to stretch. So there's a great yoga stretch called the

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Speaker 10: downward dog because you want to get that stretched out

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Speaker 10: to get a like a coke bottle twenty once bottle,

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Speaker 10: fill it with water, freeze it solid and roll that

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Speaker 10: on the sole of your foot to sort of massage

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Speaker 10: and ice the planner fascia. Three when you sleep your

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Speaker 10: toast point. So every morning when you get up, you

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Speaker 10: retear the planet fascia as it tries to heal overnight. Right,

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Speaker 10: So they have these night splints that hold your feet

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Speaker 10: at ninety degree angles. You can buy them on you know,

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Speaker 10: online on Amazon obviously. So night splints foot, the massage, ice, massage,

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Speaker 10: the stretch. And then the last thing is you can

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Speaker 10: buy a harder insert, a carbon fiber insert to go

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Speaker 10: into the shoe, which sometimes can help protect your planner fascia.

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Speaker 10: Any sort of an insert, like a one of those

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Speaker 10: spencat gel heel cups can help too, But that's that's

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Speaker 10: kind of.

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Speaker 8: What I recommend.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't my microfracture surgery work on my knee?

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Speaker 8: It's it's imperfect, right.

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Speaker 10: What happens is you poke holes in the bone and

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Speaker 10: the idea was that bone marrow would come out and

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Speaker 10: your stem cells would make new cartilage. It was as

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Speaker 10: good as what was there originally. As it turns out,

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Speaker 10: the cartilage that grows in that gap is more fibro cartilage.

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Speaker 10: It doesn't wear as well, it doesn't protect the bone

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Speaker 10: as well, and so it wears out more quickly and

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Speaker 10: you feel the symptoms.

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Speaker 8: Again.

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Speaker 2: What role is stem cell going to play in injuries?

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Speaker 10: I mean it's helpful. It's helpful, particularly the younger you are. Obviously,

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Speaker 10: the more active your stem cells are, and the more

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Speaker 10: they're gonna they're gonna play a role. I think at

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Speaker 10: some point we're gonna need to have gene therapy combined

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Speaker 10: with stem cells, so you have something that is telling

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Speaker 10: the stem cells what to do. In other words, I

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Speaker 10: don't think it's going to fix the knee that needs

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Speaker 10: micro factor. It's not going to fix arthritis unless you

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Speaker 10: intervene way earlier. But I think it's going to be

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Speaker 10: super helpful, and it already is being helpful for muscle

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Speaker 10: injuries and things that have a better chance to heal.

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Speaker 2: What's the one question you get at a party when

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Speaker 2: you go to You know you're going to get this question.

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Speaker 8: You know it's different.

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Speaker 10: So I have the guy who just injured his planter

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Speaker 10: fashion playing pick a ball, and I have the guy

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Speaker 10: that injured his shoulder playing tennis. And I have a

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Speaker 10: guy that was doing jiu jitsu who injured his hip.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's incredible the number of guys that are

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Speaker 10: my age that are doing jiu jitsu for the first time.

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Speaker 10: It sounds like a really bad idea to me.

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Speaker 2: But do they take their shirts off or pants off

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Speaker 2: that they want to show you an injury?

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Speaker 8: Thankfully, no, I'm avoiding. I'm avoiding that.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Doc. Thanks for joining us,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Mark Adks