1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. I'm Erica on here 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: at one Jets Drive, joined by former Jets running back 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Blah Paul BP. How are you. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. What's going on? Eric? 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, let's start right there. What's going on? 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Next week? We're going to Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine. 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: So the NFL offseason really heads into another gear. So 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: you were a fourth round pick out of Louisville way 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: back in twenty eleven. What are your combine experiences? 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: What were your So my combined experience, I went in, 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: I was injured. I had a hamstring injury, and you know, 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: by my agent, I was told to kind of shut 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: it down. And during that time, you know, you, I 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: was a guy that I was late brown, mid round 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: type of guy, and I was just trying to get 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: my draft right up. So he was like, listen, don't 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: don't let any of the scouts kind of push you 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: into doing something that's gonna, you know, jeopardize you, you know, 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 3: getting hurt worse than what you are or or affected 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: anything that you have going going into the draft. Were 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: sitting down, So the only thing that I did was 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: the bench. But it was it was. It was a 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: good experience for me. Uh, it was dreaming. I would 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: say that it was very draining, but a very good 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: experience to see guys, you know, from around the country 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: to come participate in something that they've been dreaming, you 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: know about, all their lives and just compete and build 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: relationships going on into our careers. 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: So you did the bench how many times? With two 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: twenty five? 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: For two twenty five, I did eighteen. I was like, 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: I was like in the middle of the pack, you know, 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: I wasn't. 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Uh. 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: I think Shane Veren, who was one of the smallest 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: backs at the time, had the highest number. I think 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: he hit like twenty five, and I think everybody was shocked. 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: But I was like in the middle of pack with 39 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: my repetition. 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: So was that an all pr for you? 41 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: I was expecting to get twenty plus, But you know, 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 3: when I got injured with the hamstring, it kind of 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: set me back with my training because I was more 44 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: focused on like just rehabbing it and trying to get 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: back healthy. So it kind of took away from everything 46 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: else like preparing for the draft. 47 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: You know, like my speed, my strength. 48 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: I was just mainly trying to hill up, and you know, 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: I was kind of upset that I was shooting for 50 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty plus, but you know, I was okay with 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: eighteen obviously now nine years and with the New York Jets, 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 3: I was still pleased with eighteen reps. 53 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: What's it like when everybody's around and watching you. You 54 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: were only able to participate in the bench, but just 55 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: that moment where all eyes are on you and there's 56 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: a lot of noise. As far as just that performance. 57 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: Honestly, it was very encouraging because everyone in the group, 58 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: in the running back group, we had about third the 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: eight guys for the guys, and everyone was cheering for 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: each other. So it was it gave you an extra 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: juice to you, that extra energy to go out and 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: just compete. 63 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: Man. 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 3: The high level energy that not only do the players 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: were given, but the coaches were encouraging players. They do 66 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: a good job of encouraging players, giving good instructions on 67 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: what to do at the combine. So you know, going 68 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: through that whole process, man, it was really no pressure 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: on you as far as worrying about criticism or anything, 70 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: but it was more so just going against yourself and 71 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: just being the best that you could be in your results. 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody the personnel department yesterday Blau, 73 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: and he said that NFL teams now are allowed to 74 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: have forty five formal interviews. I think back in twenty 75 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: eleven was probably thirty. Were the Jets one of your 76 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: formal interviews in Indianapolis or was it an informal interview? 77 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: New York Jets actually interviewed me at the Senior Bowl, 78 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: they interviewed me at the Combine, and they actually flew 79 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: me in for, you know, an interview down the flown Park. 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: So they were one of the very few teams that 81 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: interviewed me multiple times. And I kind of had this 82 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: idea that they really liked me and I was going 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: to be a New York Jet at the time. I 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: was hoping to be a New York Jet, especially when 85 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,119 Speaker 3: Rex Ryan being there and Mike Tanemahm and Anthony Land. 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 3: But you know, it was definitely like I said, man, 87 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: it was draining. It was back to back. But man, 88 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed all three of my interviews with the 89 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: New York Jets because of the energy that Rex Ryan 90 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: brought in everyone. I mean, every interview with him was 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: it was same energy but just different questions and it 92 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: just kept you on age. And you know, I was 93 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: excited to be a Jet. Honestly, I was hoping to 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: be a Jet at the time. 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: We all know he's got such a larger than life personality. 96 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: But what made you gravitate towards. 97 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: Him, It was just him him saying, Hey, listen, I 98 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: don't want you to come be anyone else that that 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: ever came through this, this National Football League. I want 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: you to come be you. We're drafting you because of you. 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: And uh, you know that's that's that very well with me. 102 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: And I was able to relax in most of my 103 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: interviews with the New York Jets, you know, having everybody 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't I don't know if people 105 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: realize you have the GM in there, you have position coaches, 106 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: you have all these different people in the department and 107 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: the organization sitting in these in these interviews. But in 108 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: the New York Jets interview, I felt the most comfortable. 109 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 110 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I don't know if it 111 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: was Rex just you know, he don't he doesn't give 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: you a. 113 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: Chance when you walk through the door. He's Rex Ryan. 114 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: As soon as you walk through the door, and uh, 115 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: you know, even if you're a quiet guy like myself, 116 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: he brings that out of you. And you know, but 117 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: it made it made me comfortable with you know, just 118 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: relaxing and. 119 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: Talking about football and just talking about life. 120 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: And what I really liked is how they they focus 121 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: more so on the on the personal side than they 122 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: did football. Like you know, the other ones were, Hey, 123 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: as soon as you get in there, you're drawing up 124 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: plays and you talk on football. Where you know, Rex 125 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: was like, hey, you know what's going on? Relax, you know, 126 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 3: water and all these I was like, wow, is this 127 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: you know what's going on? Because all these other ones 128 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: you know, being full but man, like I said, Rex, 129 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: Ryan did a good job of guiding those interviews. 130 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: What would what kind of advice would you give the 131 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: guys or heading to Indianapolis next week who are about 132 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: to embark on their NFL careers. 133 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: My biggest advice is just go in being yourself. 134 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 3: No one else can't be you, no matter how much 135 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: preparation you do from you know, boardwork or uh, you know, 136 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: from a performance standpoint on the field or anything like that. 137 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: You know, obviously your medical records they handle themselves, because 138 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: that's a big part of the combine them making a 139 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: big investment on you. So obviously the medical side, but 140 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: the biggest advice is go be, Go be you. You know, 141 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: that's the easiest person that you can be in this 142 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: world is yourself. And uh, you know, eventually the team 143 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: that really likes you. You know, all thirty two teams 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: do not have to like you. All it takes is 145 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 3: one team to like you, and that right team in drafts. 146 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: If somebody would have caught you in the hallway in 147 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: Indianapolis back in eleven, in the spring of eleven that 148 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: said you were gonna have a nine year career in 149 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 1: the National Football League and all those years were gonna 150 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: be with the New York Jets. What wood you had said. 151 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: I probably would have had to pinch myself. I'm like, 152 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: nine years one team. I don't know who is this 153 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: guy telling me this? But you know, obviously listen, it 154 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: was it was very hard. You know, one thing that 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: I tell tell my young players that are coached Harrol is, 156 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: you know the thing about being a good player a 157 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: great player is the consistency. And I think that's the 158 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: that's the hardest part of being a professional is just 159 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: maintaining consistency throughout your career. You know, you can't look 160 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: too far ahead, and when you get to a certain point, 161 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: you can't look too far back. You have to just 162 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: be president in the moment every day. It's a very 163 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: brutal business and competitive business. You have to you have 164 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: to be in that moment, man, and just cherish that moment. 165 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: So you join an organization where the Jets were coached 166 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: by Rex Ryan Data appeared in the AFC Championship game 167 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: in both nine and ten. Were you thinking that, Hey, listen, 168 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm not only going to a place that I wanted 169 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: to go to, but this is a team that is 170 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: going to be in the playoff mix every year. 171 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 172 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: So when I sat down and Rex's office in Fluent 173 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: Park and he put on his highlight tape of Play 174 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: like a Jet, and he's highlighting all these players at 175 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 3: the time that we were on the roster, and I'm 176 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: seeing AFC Championships. I'm seeing you know, bar Scott's interview 177 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: of Can't Wait, and I'm seeing Jericho Crotri Cartrie, you know, 178 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: diving football after a growing injury, and I'm like, that's 179 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: what i want to do, And that's that's that's what 180 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: I want to walk to. I want to help this 181 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: organization continue that that that mindset. And you know, unfortunately, 182 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: you know, I never I never got to the playoffs. 183 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: But you know, at a certain point in time in 184 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: my career, I knew that I wanted to stay a 185 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: jat no matter what. 186 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: All Right, So twenty eleven, if social media platforms were 187 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: to the height they are right now, how much more 188 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: difficult would that have been for you? As far as Hey, 189 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm a rookie. I was just drafted in the fourth round. 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: I only play in two games. 191 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: Honestly, I didn't even have social media at the time, Eric, Right, 192 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: I was so focused that I was kind of like, listen, 193 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: I got to get away from this. I was locked 194 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: in every day, just a pressure of not knowing the 195 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: you know, the security of your job and a guy 196 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: that didn't play. I didn't play but a couple of games, 197 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: and you know, I was seeing guys get cut left 198 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: and right. So my main focus was not entertain anybody 199 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: else outside of what I was handling. Uh, in the 200 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: in the business, in the in the building. 201 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: With Danny and Tomlinson. You latched on to him right away. 202 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: Didn't you I did. 203 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 3: He was he was. He was definitely a guy that 204 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: just naturally had that leadership about him. Didn't have to 205 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: speak much. 206 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: He was. 207 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: He was not a big talker. I think his actions, 208 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: uh said more than his words. And when he spoke, 209 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: he was the guy very few words, but when he spoke, 210 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: he said. 211 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: He said a lot. And uh, you know a lot 212 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: of guys listen. 213 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 3: So the biggest thing that I admire about l T 214 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: is the fact that he didn't he didn't hate me. 215 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: I didn't have to go through any rookie hazing. So uh, 216 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, I vouched to myself that day, that or 217 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: that year that I would never do it to any 218 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: rookie or you know, give a rookie of our time. 219 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: He made me feel comfortable coming into the National Football League, 220 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: and you know, I got an I got the privilege 221 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: that a lot of guys didn't get. They they didn't 222 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: come into the business with a future Hall of Famer 223 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: in front of them showing them how this thing is 224 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: supposed to work out and how it works out if 225 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 3: you do certain things. And you know, I take my 226 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: hat off to Ludanian for that being the leader that 227 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: he's been the consistency of not not only what he 228 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: was doing on the field, but off the field as well. 229 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: So you experienced a career breakthrough. And we're going to 230 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: around a little bit here on the pod. But twenty fifteen, 231 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: when you guys are ten and five heading the Buffalo, 232 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: you had an incredible game against the Patriots at home 233 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: in overtime victory the week prior. Can you talk about 234 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: your recollections of those final two weeks and also how 235 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: much you actually think about fifteen. 236 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: I think about it a lot, honestly, And that I 237 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: always mentioned is I think we were that team that 238 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: if we got into the playoffs, no one wanted to play. 239 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: I mean, we just had everything going in the right direction. 240 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: Uh We we finally figured out our pieces on the 241 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball, the defense was playing well. 242 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: We had Eric Derker, Brandon Marshall on the outside, Chris 243 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: Ivory and myself in the backfield. I mean we just 244 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: we just was that team that you you had to 245 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: you had to always be ready to play football. I 246 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: think we were the team that you just couldn't narrow 247 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: in on one. 248 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: Or two guys. 249 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: It was just explosive from all different angles, and you know, 250 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 3: to watch us put on that five game run, leading 251 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 3: into you know, New England and beating them in the overtime. Unfortunately, 252 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: I got injured in that game, high ankle, spring, couldn't 253 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: play in Buffalo. 254 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: Wanted to play in Buffalo. Eric I actually asked, I 255 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: wanted to play. 256 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to play in the game because I knew, Man, 257 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: if we got in I knew what we could have done, 258 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: because we were that team that was just late in 259 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: the season that just became special. And you know, some 260 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: teams they get into the playoffs and November some teams 261 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: November guys getting put out of the playoffs, and you know, 262 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: just the energy that the fans were bringing later in 263 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 3: the season, not not just the home games, but the 264 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: way I mean things were traveling, and you know, obviously 265 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: the love that you get around the city. You know, 266 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: it was unmatched at the time. 267 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of the special Blah, What are your thoughts on 268 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: Breas Hall and what he was able to accomplish in 269 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: year two after coming off in ACL and what's ahead 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: for him. 271 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: I like I like Greece. I like his game. He 272 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: could do everything. 273 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: I think he's a three down bag, a true three 274 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: down back, a guy you can line up outside, you 275 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: can hand to hand them off. He can run inside 276 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: and outside, he can block, he can catch the ball. 277 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: But what's the most impressive thing with me is the 278 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: fact that Briese can create so many yards after contact, 279 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: and that's what you need at a national football league 280 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: because there's not gonna be many times where he's just 281 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: running through an open hole. And I think he's one 282 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: of the most explosive running backs. When you get him 283 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: to the second level. We can see this guy go 284 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: to distance at any time, especially at his size twenty five. 285 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: That's a big back that can you get up to 286 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: twenty miles an hour, especially coming off in ACL. You know, 287 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: just to see what he did, not many bats are 288 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: able to bounce back like that off an ACL, but 289 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: to see what he did coming off of ACL is 290 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: very impressive and I'm excited to see. 291 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: What he has moving forward in his career. 292 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: What is his potential because you're talking about a guy 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: who finished second in the AFC in terms of yards 294 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: from yards from scrimmage, only behind Tyreek Hill. On the 295 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: opposite conference, you're talking about Christian mccaff free, who a 296 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: lot of people think is the best back in the 297 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: league right now. But what is Bree's potential? 298 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: Honestly, you just named it. 299 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: You put him in the category with guys that have 300 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: been consistent throughout their career and guys that are always 301 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: mentioned at the top tier in their position. So you 302 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: know when you mentioned bris Hall, I think he has 303 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: that potential to go on and have a great career. 304 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: And you know, if he stays healthy enough, I think 305 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: he could be a guy that could get into the 306 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, you know, because he's able to now 307 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: touch the ball, especially with the way the game has 308 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: evolved more going. 309 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: Sixty to forty pass now. 310 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: Back in the day, running backs were getting you know, 311 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: four three hundred carries a year, where now guys are 312 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: getting the worried more so about touches, and I think 313 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: if you give bres Hall enough touches, he could be 314 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: a future Hall of Famer. 315 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: Wow, you didn't retire that long ago. What do you 316 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: think about the evolutional of the way backs are used, 317 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: even compared to just a couple of years ago when 318 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: you hung up the cleats. 319 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: I think the game has evolved. 320 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: I mean it's almost like black and white now, because 321 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: when I first came to the league, it was power football, 322 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: it was downhill football. 323 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: Linebackers were bigger. 324 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: Now you're starting to see smaller linebackers because they had 325 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: their force to they're forced to cover backs out of 326 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: the backfield. Now I think, I think running backs now 327 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: need to eliminate carries and they need to think about touches. 328 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: And I was told that years ago by Anthony Lamb, 329 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: my running back coaches. He was like, hey, listen, don't 330 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: worry so much about the carries. Worry about touches. Worry 331 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: about touches. You know, your yards per touch, not your 332 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: yards per carry, and that will eventually come with success. 333 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: And now you're starting to see that. 334 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: Now you're starting to see more so the running back 335 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: committee where you know, you kind of get away from 336 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: the work courses because you rarely find a guy that 337 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: has to come that can't, that can on the field 338 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: for three downs, So you're forced to go out and 339 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: get a guy that compliments him. So when you mentioned 340 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: Bridge Hall, when you mentioned Christian McCaffery. 341 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: Those guys are rare. 342 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: The Saquon Barkley guys that can catch the ball, block 343 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: through all these things, those are the rare guys. 344 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: Those are the guys that I. 345 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: Look at that position that need that need to be 346 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 3: paid honestly and valued when you're talking about the running 347 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: back position, because right now, you know the big thing 348 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: is them undervaluing the running back position. Those are the 349 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 3: type of special guys that you have to pay based 350 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: on them, not just coming off the field. 351 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you're coaching at the high 352 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: school level now, and I'm going to get to that 353 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: in a second. But where are we going in the 354 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: NFL game? Offensively? What do the playoffs tell you as 355 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: far as like you're talking about space and touches regarding 356 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: specifically the running backs, but there are ibs and flows 357 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: right in the league that okay, we go from a 358 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: power game through a space game. When you watch Kansas 359 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: City and San Francisco in the Super Bowl, or even 360 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: Kansas City make the run, what do you think about 361 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: the changes that are taking place right now? 362 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: Honestly, just from an offensive standpoint, the creativity that these 363 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 3: offenser coordinators or are just calling and creating. They're just 364 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: putting defenses and minds, and you know they have to 365 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: account for so much. From a from a defensive standpoint, 366 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: it's not just line up playing football anymore. It's so 367 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 3: many different things that offensive coaches are starting to do 368 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: is find ways to get creative, to get the guys 369 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 3: that are going to help you win the ball. And 370 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 3: that's causing, uh, that's causing stress for defenses that we saw. 371 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 3: And you know, obviously that Super Bowl, that Super Bowl game, 372 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 3: if you look at the total yardist sometimes the points 373 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: don't add up to it. I think Kansas City still 374 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: had four hundred and fifty yards of total offense in 375 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: that game, and you know, obviously San Francisco had around 376 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: three eighty. You know, even with the low scoring game 377 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: that it was going into, you know, over time, it 378 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: still was a good game plan from defensively. So now 379 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: I think the defenses are starting to adjust to the 380 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: creativity that these offenses are thrown out. And then I 381 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: kind of see in a couple of years that the 382 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball start reverting back to the 383 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: old school mentality, bringing in the fullbacks and you know, 384 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: getting down here running the ball more and causing those 385 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: smaller linebackers to now run field on a fullback that's 386 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: you know two point fifty. And now you're talking about 387 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: smaller linebackers versus fullbacks, and I kind of see a 388 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: shift of it probably reverting back to the old school 389 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: way here and here in a few years. 390 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: I love the game within the game thirty thousand foot view. 391 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: Where are the Jets as a team heading into the 392 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four offseason. 393 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 3: I think the New York Jets are a few players 394 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 3: away from being mentioned in the Super Bowl contending for 395 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. I think there are a few players away. 396 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: I think last year we all were excited about having 397 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: Aaron come in. I think everybody was excited about that, 398 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: and we all know when you're talking about mentioning a 399 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: Super Bowl continuing team, you have to have a quarterback 400 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: where you bought that in. And then obviously the injury 401 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: started to happen, which everyone deals with. I think the 402 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: biggest thing for the New York Jets is now to 403 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: just make sure that the pieces on the offensive side 404 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: of the ball will help complement the defense, because those 405 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 3: guys are playing so well. You're talking about a defense 406 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: that now finished again in the top five, you know, 407 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: throughout the year, so you know, I would love to 408 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: just see on the offensive side of the ball that 409 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: unit helped complement the defense, and then you could just 410 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: talk about Super Bowl contending for the New York Jets 411 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: next year. 412 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: Pieces offensively, what do you want to see. 413 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: I think, just on the offensive side of the ball, 414 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: I think you have to go young at the offensive 415 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: tackle spot. I think you bring in another receiver that 416 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: can help Garrett Wilson take some attention off of him, 417 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: so now you know he can go out and you 418 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: can get that one on one match versus you know, 419 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: him having to deal with double coverage and you know, obviously, 420 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: I think the backup quarterback position is very important, especially 421 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: when you're talking about an older quarterback coming off of 422 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: an injury. That usually says guys down longer than it. 423 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 3: You know, he was trying to come back. I know 424 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: the rumors that were going on, but you still need 425 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: to have that talent margin when the guy goes down 426 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: that the drop off isn't so steep. I think when 427 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 3: you look at the paper from last year, the New 428 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: York Jets had a roster that I think player for 429 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: player we were one of the best teams. Obviously the injuries, 430 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: but just from having a quarterback, I think it's the 431 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 3: biggest piece. All Right, he's the commander, he's the chief. 432 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: He has to be the commander. In chief on the 433 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball, just like an inside linebacker 434 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball. And we saw 435 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: the leadership that CJ. Moseley had and then kind of 436 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: ripple around him as to why our defense was so good, 437 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: because you have to have a guy that's a commander 438 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: in the middle leading on each side of the unit. 439 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: So just honestly, those three pieces that I like to 440 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: see moving forward, and I think the New York Jets 441 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 3: continue to go into the right direction. 442 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: You didn't have any quarter quarterback stability when you played. 443 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: When you look at Rogers and you wonder about the 444 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: potential of him guiding this offense with those young stars, 445 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: the breist Halls of the world, the Garrett Wilson's at 446 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: the tight end position. I really like what Tyler Konflan 447 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: gave you. From a production standpoint. The Jets are really 448 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: high on Jeremy Rutgert as well. You mentioned addressing the 449 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: offensive line, But did you ever think during your career, like, man, 450 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: what would it be like playing with a guy like Rogers? 451 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: You know, I asked myself that, and you know, that 452 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: was one of the biggest things that I wanted to 453 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: do in my career, has played with a guy that 454 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 3: was considered a franchise quarterback, the guy that was consistent 455 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 3: throughout his career, guy that you know when you stepped 456 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 3: on the field, he gave you a chance to win 457 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: every week. 458 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: And you know, obviously I didn't have that. 459 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 3: You know, we had a bunch of moving pieces at 460 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: that position unfortunately. But you know, that's definitely something that 461 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: I think that a lot of players take for granted. 462 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: It's having a quarterback like that, that home name that 463 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: is you know, it's going to be secure every year 464 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 3: and you're not looking for the next guy. 465 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: Every year and trying to bring the guy in like that. 466 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: And I think if we had a guy like that 467 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: in New York, I think we would have won a 468 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: lot more games than we did throughout my career. 469 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: Everybody's driven by different things. You were intrinsically motivated. What 470 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: do you think about Rogers specifically next year, because there's 471 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of people counting him out bottom line, 472 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: because he's forty, he's going to turn forty one in December, 473 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: he's coming off an achilles injury, and he's starting a 474 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: new with the Jets. Yes, he was here last year, 475 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: but he played four snaps before going down. 476 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: Honestly, I think he lives for this type of you know, 477 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: doubt and everyone counting him out. And you know, honestly, 478 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 3: if he looks at it that way, then there's no pressure. 479 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: And you're talking about a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers with 480 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: no pressure him just going to play football. 481 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: That could be scary for a lot of people going forward. 482 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: I think when you talking about a healthy Aaron Rodgers 483 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: moving forward with good defense, that could get scared for 484 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: the National Football League. And I think those people are 485 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 3: trying to put that out on him because they are 486 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: afraid that the New York Jets will be in a 487 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: positive topic next year of winning, because everybody wants to 488 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 3: label the New York just in the negative, in a 489 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: negative bracket every time, every year that I dealt with 490 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: it in my in my nine years that I was there, 491 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: and now being a fan, been coming up on four 492 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: years been retired, I'm still hearing the same old Jets. 493 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 3: Whereas that Aaron Rodgers story, if he stays healthy, he 494 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: is just scary. And now you're going to have to 495 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 3: start mentioning the New York Jets on you know, the 496 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: winning side of the bracket. 497 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: Why is that? Do you think that people label the 498 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: Jets something or maybe for a team that hasn't been 499 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: in it since ten as far as the postseason is concerned, 500 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: like a lot of people are looking at the Jets 501 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, that's a team that I want to fail, 502 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: even though the team has not been in the postseason 503 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: in twenty three. As a guy, I mean since twenty ten, 504 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: obviously just finished in the twenty twenty three campaign. As 505 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: a guy who's now living down south in Kentucky, why 506 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: do you think the Jets always carry that target on them? 507 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: I think because you've seen the patterns that we had 508 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: over the time. You know, even when we were in good, 509 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: good position to pull out some games and climb. 510 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: Into the playoffs, we found a way to lose. 511 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 3: And that was a consistent pattern over my nine year 512 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: career and still is a pattern that we're seeing. Last year, 513 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 3: even with the injury of Ann Rogers, the New York 514 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: Jets were still in position to run off games and 515 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: sneak into the playoffs, and they found each week to lose, 516 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: found a way to lose instead of finding a way 517 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: to win. 518 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: And I talked about. 519 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: That with Patrick Mahomes and everybody was like, who do 520 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: you have winning the Super Bowl? I said, well, you 521 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: can't go against a guy that's a winner, you know. 522 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: I know Cam Newton talked about he's a game manager, 523 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: game changer. I said, well, Patrick Mahomes is game He's 524 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: a winner at the end of the day. And that's 525 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 3: what you want, and that's what that's the mentality that 526 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: has to come through. And I think you have a 527 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: few guys on that team that has that have that mentality. 528 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 3: Now you just have to continue to build the pieces 529 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 3: around them that you know, those guys that come into 530 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 3: those free agents, that you get, those draft picks that 531 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: you get when they walk through the door, that they're following, 532 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: those guys who are considered leaders and winners in the building, 533 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: in the organization. 534 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: So getting back to Rogers, how does he change the 535 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: dynamic because I know a lot of people will debate 536 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: about his postseason success, but he does have one ring 537 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: and he is a four time NFL MVP. So when 538 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: times get tight, I mean, isn't that a guy who 539 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: can get you past that next turtle, get you to 540 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: the finish line? 541 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, And you're talking about a guy that's been 542 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: consistent for the amount of years he's been in the league, 543 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 3: always being at that top tier. And like I said, 544 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 3: the hardest thing that you can do with this league 545 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: is be consistent. That what makes you good, great a professional. 546 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: The longevity of your career is all about consistency. And 547 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: I think when you talk about Aaron Rodgers, when you 548 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: mentioned Aaron Rodgers in his position at an all time, 549 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: you have to put him with some of the best 550 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: quarterbacks to ever play this game. And a lot of 551 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: guys don't have that opportunity. And for the New York Jets, 552 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: guys that are in that organization aren't used to that. 553 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: They weren't used to that. 554 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 3: And so now hopefully when you can have a full 555 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: season with Aaron Rodgers, those guys can kind of see, 556 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: even when tight games get tight, that you can see 557 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: the competitiveness and the winner in him, and it kinds 558 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: of shifts the attitude of some of those guys in 559 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: that locker room. 560 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was just going to ask you, 561 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: is somebody who was here, who is a member of 562 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: this organization playing inside the white lines. It's got to 563 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: change everything. If you do have this guy, if you 564 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: are in a third quarter or the fourth quarter, and 565 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: you are in a tight game knowing that he's done 566 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: it before, because maybe when you played, are you thinking 567 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: that you're trying to think positive thoughts, but at the 568 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: same time, you've seen this story before. 569 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And you know you've been I've been in 570 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: situations where we get down to a certain point there's 571 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: almost a high doubt that we come back because we 572 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: just didn't have that right guy in position to lead 573 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: us back. That we know even if we're in this position, 574 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 3: we believe in that guy. Aaron Rodgers is that guy. 575 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 3: We know that even with him being down, that he 576 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: can rally a team, and the consistency and respect that 577 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: he has throughout the league from his performance that he 578 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: had over his career, I think you can, especially with 579 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: a young team, you can get him to pull those 580 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: young guys in the right direction. And now, weekend and 581 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 3: week out, you can go into a game knowing that 582 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: you have a chance, even all the way down to 583 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: the last play of the game, that you have a 584 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: chance to win a football game. 585 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: All right, let me throw a couple things at you. 586 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: How would you rate the Jets offseason needs? You talked offensively, 587 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: you said tackle, you want to get another playmaker with 588 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson receiver. Defensive side of the ball, just some tinkering, 589 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: I think I think everybody would agree with. But defensive 590 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: tackle because you got a number of guys who were 591 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: up next to Quinn Williams and then the safety position. 592 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Amongst those with inspiring contracts, you're talking Jordan white Hat, 593 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, Chuck Clark, and then you also mentioned backup quarterback. 594 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: How do you rank those needs? Tackle, receiver, backup quarterback, 595 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, safety. 596 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: I think you have to go with finding an offensive 597 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: tackle first, first and foremost. First and foremost, finding an 598 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: offensive tackle. We know what the defense is handled over 599 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: the last two years. Know they have their leaders set 600 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: in place on that side of the ball. I think 601 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: it's time to now set the pieces on the offensive 602 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: side of the ball. 603 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: So I think you. 604 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: Need to go out and find your tackle. You need 605 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: to go out and find your receiver, a veteran receiver 606 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 3: that's still consistent, that's able to run every route on 607 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: the on the route tree and be a leader, and 608 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: you have a relationship with Aaron Rodgers and also lead 609 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: a unit. You need to also go out and get 610 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: that backup quarterback, that a guy that who can come 611 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: in be a backup quarterback. Something happens. We know that 612 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: this is the National Football League is one hundred percent 613 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: injury rate. That this guy can step right in and 614 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 3: pick up where Aaron Blue Rodgers left off, even if 615 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: it's not as good as it was, but it gives 616 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: you a chance each week to go in and compete 617 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: on a Sunday or a game day. And also a 618 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: guy that you can probably put the future in his hands. 619 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 3: Knowing that Aaron Rodgers only has a couple more years. 620 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: You can get this guy to kind of sit behind 621 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, learning from Aaron Rodgers, and you know when 622 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: it's time to pass the tours that he's ready to 623 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: step in to be your franchise quarterback in the future. 624 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: Would you draft one. I'm not saying a ton overall, 625 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: but you have five draft picks. Would you draft one 626 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: in terms of just trying to develop down the line 627 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: with one of your later picks? 628 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: Now, I wouldn't draft the quarterback. 629 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: I think the New York Jets have been doing that 630 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: for a very long time now and it hasn't been 631 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: a successful pick that we've seen, even even with early picks. 632 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: We're seeing them move on from those guys after you know, 633 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: the rookie contract or even before before that. So I 634 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: think you need to go out and find you a guy, 635 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: a solid guy and free agency, a guy you know, 636 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: a younger guy kind of going into that year three, 637 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: year four, or maybe a guy that you know. 638 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: Has has has a little respect around the league. 639 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: A guy that can step in and help you win 640 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: that isn't going to you know, pretty much hit the 641 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 3: cap space or take up too much money from that 642 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: come in that accepts the role of being coming in 643 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: knowing that it's not his team just yet, but coming 644 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: in learning under Aaron Rodgers. 645 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: Do you envision a scenario where they sign a tackle 646 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: on free agency and then perhaps even draft won ten 647 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: overall because you're talking about a young tackle and maybe 648 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: one of those guys are there at ten. I know 649 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: most people think the point it's anyway. The consensus is 650 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: Joe alt out of Notre Dames, he's probably the cleanest prospect. 651 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: But Fishano from Penn State, he's getting a lot of love. 652 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: I know Fuaga from Oregon State was not just down 653 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: there at the senior ball and he performed well. Would 654 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: you like to see a scenario where hey, you address 655 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: tackle on free agency, but you also come back in 656 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: the draft. 657 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I think you have to go get a 658 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: guy that you know. 659 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: Obviously you want to have a solid veteran and then 660 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: you want to go get a young guy for the future. 661 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: You absolutely do. 662 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 3: I think when you look at the way to gain 663 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: from the way I broke it down, the way I 664 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: analyzed it from, you know, just my perspective, that was 665 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: the biggest struggle was the tackle spot. You know, you know, 666 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: moving guys from the left side to the right side, 667 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 3: So just the consistent piece of just finding a tackle. 668 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 3: We know how important that is, especially with these premier 669 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: rushers and you know, we know Aaron Rodgers want to 670 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 3: sit back and throw the ball. We need to protect 671 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 3: them as much as possible. So you need to go 672 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: out and get some solid guys that can protect those 673 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 3: premiere areas rushers. 674 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: Each week, you. 675 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: Envision a scenario where you're getting a receiver in free 676 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: agency prior to the draft. I know a lot of 677 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: people are looking at guys like t Higgins, who me, 678 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be available because I 679 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: think you're talking about sixty million in cab space Cincinnati has. 680 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: I can't envision a scenario where he's out there. I 681 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: know a lot of people also have dream scenarios about 682 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: Mike Evans, but there are a lot of receivers that 683 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: are going to be on the market, including Calvin Ridley, 684 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: and the list goes on. 685 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, my pick would be Mike Evans. And the 686 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 3: reason I like Mike Evans is because how consistent he's 687 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: been with the number of quarterbacks throughout his career. He 688 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 3: wasn't in a system where he was with one quarterback 689 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 3: and then we see him go somewhere else and not 690 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 3: be the same guy like he's been that same piece 691 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 3: in Tampa, even with the moving pieces at quarterback. So 692 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: I think you bring a guy in like Mike Evans 693 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 3: to play with Aaron Rodgers and be able to compliment 694 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 3: a young Garret Wilson. 695 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: Do you like the spot the Jets are in because 696 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: right now people are going to write them off as 697 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: opposed to last year where the Jets and I just 698 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: wrote about this belile that the Jets headed to Indy 699 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: and the quarterback hunt was on. In fact, I think 700 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: the Jets had just met with Derek Carr because he 701 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: was already a street free agent before going to Andy, 702 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: and then Aaron Rodgers was under contract with Green Bay. 703 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: But that was the point where Green Bay had said, hey, 704 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: we hadn't been in communication with him. They've been talking 705 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: about Jimmy Garoppolo as well. Well, we know who's going 706 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: to be the starting quarterback this year. But since the 707 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: Jets finished seven to ten for a second consecutive season, 708 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: I think we're sitting here in February and everybody's already 709 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: written them off. I feel like they will be a 710 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: little bit under the radar this year, as opposed to 711 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: last year, where it was constant barrage of the media spotlight. 712 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 713 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree with you. 714 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,479 Speaker 3: I think you know you're talking about a forty ohod 715 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 3: quarterback coming off in an achilles injury. 716 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: That talk is. I think everybody last year was like, oh, 717 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: they'll go the. 718 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 3: Same old Jets again that we talked about, and now 719 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 3: that's rolling over into next season. I think now, like 720 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 3: I told you, I think Aaron Rodgers likes that position, 721 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: and that's scary because he's a competitor and he doesn't 722 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 3: have this pressure anymore. It's not that hot talk or 723 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 3: Super Bowl contending and you know, they were the talk 724 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 3: of the offseason, and I came up there for training 725 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: camp and I saw the energy and you know, hard 726 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 3: knocks being there and all this attention that was going on. 727 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 3: And I don't think you get that same thing with 728 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 3: the New York Jets, which is a good thing, I 729 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 3: think for New York because now they can really lock 730 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 3: in on what they really want to do with all 731 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: the outsiders or whatever, you know, the people talking from 732 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 3: the outside looking in, I think it's a good time 733 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: for you to focus on get those couple pieces that 734 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 3: you need and then you know, let your play do 735 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 3: the talking. 736 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: Hey, how much love did you have for the Jets 737 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: internal documentary crew because one of their first long form 738 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: documentaries was on twenty nine was on Blile Pole and 739 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: look at where it's become where taken off to over 740 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: the years. 741 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you guys for doing that. 742 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 3: And you know, obviously I wasn't a guy that talked 743 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 3: to to a team you guys much, but you know, 744 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 3: I appreciate, you know, everything that you guys have done 745 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 3: over years. And you know, obviously that documentary people still 746 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: talk about it to this day, so I appreciate it. 747 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Seth Bradley and crew. I mean doing a 748 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: fantastic job with one Jets Drive and Flight in the past, 749 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be new offerings here this season. So 750 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: it's very cool. And that was memorable for all of 751 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 1: us down there on that shoot. Yeah, it's It's interesting, 752 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,720 Speaker 1: isn't it that Blau was so beloved inside the locker 753 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: room and all the guys used to talk about you 754 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: and you be around them, But when the media came 755 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: by open media sessions, Blaugh wasn't frequently found in there. 756 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 3: And now and now I do it for a living. 757 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 3: I'm talking to the camera and you know, I'm doing 758 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 3: interviews that you know. I had a chance to go out, 759 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 3: uh to Las Vegas and I was on radio row, 760 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: so you know, it's almost like I came full circle. 761 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 3: Everybody's like, man, I remember when you didn't even talk 762 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 3: to the media. Now you do it for a living. 763 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: And I said, well, I guess it was just a 764 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 3: hidden talent that you know, I didn't tap into until 765 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 3: I retired. 766 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: Uh, nothing you do surprises me. Legacy uniforms. Woody Johnson 767 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: announced that Super Bowl Sunday night. What did you think 768 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: about the white and how excited are you to see 769 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: what the green and the black looked like. 770 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 3: I'm excited about him and it's just like I said, 771 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 3: it's evolving and I like what, you know, what he's doing, 772 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 3: and I like to see what he you know, be 773 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 3: involved with social media. He's come out of his show 774 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 3: too over the years, because I don't remember him being 775 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 3: like that when I was there. But I like the uniforms. 776 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 3: I actually liked the white ones last year that you 777 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 3: guys opened up with versus Buffalo, and uh, you know, 778 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 3: I wish I would have played in those. I had 779 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 3: a chance to play in the black ones for you know, 780 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 3: my last year of retiring, but I want to see 781 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 3: what the black ones look like. 782 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 2: Obviously, moving forward, all. 783 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: Right, your family's skipping your busy, you got three kids, 784 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: but you also have a new appointment here as far 785 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: as professionally is concerned, blob Pal is going to be 786 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. Is that correct? You need to tell 787 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: us the school and how that all came together. 788 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 3: Well, I've been coaching them for about head coach at 789 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 3: the youth level, philp ands his grade with my son 790 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 3: mainly and you know, we went to the championship a 791 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 3: couple of times actually, you know, lost some tough ones. 792 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 3: But you know, I think it got to a point 793 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 3: to where parents were coming up saying, hey, listen, you 794 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 3: have these kids running all these concepts and schemes, and 795 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 3: you know, when are you going to taket, you know, 796 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 3: your talent to the next level. And you know, my 797 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 3: wife is talking like she was tired of hearing about football, 798 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm coaching her and I'm coming up 799 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: with these different things. My son, he's tired of me 800 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 3: grabbing him saying, hey, what do you think about this? 801 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 2: And they was like, you need to take this somewhere else. 802 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 3: And you know, the opportunity came when, you know office 803 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 3: according to the step down at this high school here Saint Xavier, 804 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 3: which is a preparatory school, all boys school, tremendous school, 805 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 3: one of the top schools academically in the nation. It's 806 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 3: a blue ribbon school. You know, the opportunity just fell 807 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 3: into my lap. And you know, I was one of 808 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: the two guys that were interviewed and the coach looked 809 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 3: at me from the philosophy and just the experience and said, hey, listen, 810 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 3: you are what we need here for the future of 811 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 3: this this high school. And you know, I've been here, 812 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: been there now about a month, and I'm getting to 813 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 3: know all the boys. Eric, you talk about three hundred 814 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 3: boys man from varsity, JV and freshman football. 815 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 2: So I got to get to know all these these guys' names. 816 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 3: And and uh, you know, kind of no personalities and 817 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 3: stuff and put all the pieces together. But man, the 818 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 3: kids have it's yes, sir and o sirs. Respect, art working. 819 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 3: Uh you know, some of the things that you deal 820 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 3: with with teenage boys you don't get from this school 821 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: because these are the good group of kids, hard workers. 822 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 3: They love football. Multi sports is insane, you know. So, uh, 823 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 3: the opportunity was just a no brainer for me. And 824 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 3: uh you know, obviously my son he'll actually go into 825 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 3: that school. 826 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 2: Now. 827 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 3: I actually moved them into the it's a Catholic school, 828 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 3: so I moved them into the Catholic community, and he'll 829 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 3: come up and get a chance to play with me 830 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 3: in high school. 831 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: All right, what's the offensive philosophy. 832 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 3: Of I want to I want to spread out the defense, 833 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 3: actually spread out the defense, and I want to give 834 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 3: my playmakers the ball in space. I want to force 835 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 3: the defense to defend the entire field. 836 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: I want to try to attack leverage. 837 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 3: When I talk about leverage, I want to try to 838 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 3: find grass and I want to try to create numbers, 839 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,959 Speaker 3: whether if it's one, you know, two on one, three 840 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: on four, whatever it is. Is my philosophy is to 841 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 3: to find the mismatches. Is not mainly to go down. 842 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 3: He'll let you. 843 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 2: Like I said, I love Kyle Shanahan. 844 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 3: I love Andy Reeve's offense, and so I like the 845 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 3: creativity of moving grinds around with motions and shifts and 846 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 3: you know, different formations and you know, trying to get 847 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: different guys the ball. And you know, my biggest thing 848 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 3: is not having a team locking on one guy, but 849 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 3: finding a way to get multiple guys to ball. That way, 850 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 3: you can't narrow down on any tendencies that we have. 851 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 3: And that's it. 852 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 2: Man. 853 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 3: They're smart kids. So you know, I'm able to do more. 854 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 3: You know, you're talking about almost one hundred and something plays, 855 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 3: you know, alignements, signmon and all that stuff. So, uh, 856 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 3: to me, I think that's the biggest calling in my 857 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 3: life right now, Eric is you know, teaching football to 858 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 3: these young guys, and not only that, but just getting 859 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 3: them ready for the future in their lives. Some guys 860 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 3: going to play at the next level, someonet, but they'll 861 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 3: be prepared to go on for life. So that's my 862 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 3: biggest thing, is just to give back the game of football. 863 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: This is awesome, Kyle. The way he approaches offense you 864 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: mentioned him before, Do you like that, like the positionless offense, 865 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: meaning that, Okay, we can have Debo lineup in the slot, 866 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: we can have a lineup outside, we can have him 867 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: lineup as running back where you don't have to put 868 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: a position on a player. That they're all chess pieces. 869 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna move guys about around the formation and you 870 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a counter for whatever you try to 871 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: throw at me defensively, because I always have an answer. 872 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 873 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's about those moving pieces. I like 874 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 3: to call that eye candy when you moving guys one 875 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 3: way and going the other way. You know, like I said, 876 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 3: it's just about finding finding every every play call is 877 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: a prediction. I can only call the play based on 878 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 3: what I saw on film, what you showed me, based 879 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 3: on formations. So when I make a call, it's a 880 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 3: prediction that you're going to line up in this and 881 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 3: you're going to allow us to do this, and this. 882 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 3: My biggest thing is having a smart quarterback. And my 883 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 3: quarterback is very smart, so he can go to the 884 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage with multiple players and he can get 885 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 3: to if you come out and we're prepared for two 886 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 3: high safety and you come out with a one high safety, 887 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 3: he automatically knows that's either a Cover one or Cover three. 888 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 3: We get to our beaters and now we can make 889 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 3: our articles. So we're You know, my my job as 890 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 3: a play caller is to I can only predict eric, 891 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 3: I can only put them in an alignment, and then 892 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 3: the players have to go out and know what's going on. 893 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 3: They have to know the assignment and the adjustments, and 894 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 3: then they have to ultimately execute. No matter you can 895 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 3: call it a perfect play. They don't execute, then you know, 896 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 3: we all look bad. So you knowlayers can only do 897 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 3: so much and coaches can only. 898 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 2: Do so much. 899 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: You look really happy. We're very happy for you. Can 900 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: you can you talk finally as far as a message 901 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: for Jets fans, as far as where they can find you, 902 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: because you are in the podcast world. You just were 903 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: in Vegas at the Super Bowl doing radio role. Now 904 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: you're in oc down there in Louisville and a proud 905 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: dad of three. 906 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 3: Kids honestly, and I'll be at I'll be at the 907 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 3: combine as well. So actually, yeah, so i'll be that 908 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 3: Monday through Wednesday. I don't know when you get there, 909 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 3: but i'll be that Monday through Wednesday. I actually sit 910 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 3: on the NFL Youth Advisory Committee down there, so it's 911 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 3: mainly targeted high school and youth sports around the nation. 912 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 3: So you know, we have our national meeting down there. 913 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 3: So I'll see you down there. But right now I'm 914 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 3: doing my podcast, so you can catch me on the 915 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 3: Believe network in the UH it suggests based pot podcast 916 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 3: and it's called in Flight Snack and it was pretty 917 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 3: much inspired by Rex Ryan, you know, on the Hard 918 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 3: Knocks episode and it was like, let's get a snack. 919 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,959 Speaker 3: So in Flight Snack is the podcast on the Bleed platform. 920 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 3: And if you're in the Louisville area, I don't know 921 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 3: at Kentucky area. I'm also on Sports Talk seven ninety 922 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,320 Speaker 3: radio station with Jerry Eve's talking sports early. 923 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 2: In the morning. 924 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,479 Speaker 1: That's awesome, Hey man, great, catch it up. I'm gonna 925 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: text you next week in Indy because I'm getting there 926 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. 927 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll see you man. I look forward to it. 928 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: Thanks buddy,