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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast Scott Smith

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Speaker 1: with us. Scott, let's talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: work you've done on the visions of the Virgin Mary.

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Speaker 1: How far back do you go? Do you go back

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Speaker 1: to Fatima? Yeah, And there were a lot of minor

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Speaker 1: ones as well, and I think that in Catholic culture

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Speaker 1: there's probably many unreported ones. And I didn't go deep

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Speaker 1: on this, but the most accessible and objective account I

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Speaker 1: would recommend would be Scott Rogo's book called Miracles, And

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Speaker 1: there's actually a photo of the Virgin Mary in the

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Speaker 1: book Peering in zy Tune, Egypt, of all places, and

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Speaker 1: the photos probably not faked. This was taken many, many,

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Speaker 1: many decades ago. I think most of your listeners probably

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Speaker 1: know there were about forty thousand people at Fatima who,

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Speaker 1: including a lot of atheists, who were witnessed to these

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Speaker 1: repeated visions, and they probably have heard that there was

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Speaker 1: a silver disc that appeared. I thought the sun came down, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: something like that. It was like a weird soun that hovered,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so the assumption by people who believe

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Speaker 1: in UFOs is this is somehow part of a you know,

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Speaker 1: a control system the aliens are trying to impose by

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Speaker 1: projecting these saints or these angels or you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: they are. And he goes on to show other impressive

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Speaker 1: evidence for Catholicism as a true religion, the incorruptibles. There's

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Speaker 1: about a hundred of the saints whose bodies never he composed.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody knows about the stigmata, the wounds of Christ,

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Speaker 1: and some of the saints. Teresa of Avila was very

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Speaker 1: well testified that she levitated. And there has been a

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Speaker 1: recent documentary mentory by William Friedkin, who did the Exorcist

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Speaker 1: on the Vatican's last major exorcist, and he's an agnostic.

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Speaker 1: So it seems like somebody wants us to believe in Catholicism.

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Speaker 1: So the question is why, and you know, how would

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Speaker 1: how should one respond to that if you're not Catholic?

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Speaker 1: And I what he says is, first of all, understand

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Speaker 1: these are not just a lot of the stuff can't

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Speaker 1: be dismissed as psychosomatic as the skeptics would, and it

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Speaker 1: can't these things like the stigmata or they certainly the

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Speaker 1: incorruptible bodies can't be said just to be some kind

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Speaker 1: of psychological or wishful thinking or anything like that. There

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Speaker 1: has to be a psychic element that goes with this.

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Speaker 1: And in the case of these alleged saints or angels

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Speaker 1: that are hear to people, if you accept this is

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Speaker 1: evidence for Catholicism, then how do you explain the Hindu

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Speaker 1: gods appearing? And Richard Thompson's Alien Identities gives lots of

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Speaker 1: examples of that. What about Mohammed who I spent time

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Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia and Mohammed wrote or dictated a very

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Speaker 1: beautiful Arabic that would be beyond his literate abilities. It

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Speaker 1: was basically illiterate, and he would memorize all these revelations.

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Speaker 1: Or more closer to home for me, the angel Morona

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Speaker 1: appearing to Joseph Smith. And Harold Bloom wrote a book

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Speaker 1: called The American Religion. He's a famous literary critic, and

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Speaker 1: he pointed out that Joseph Smith was one of the

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Speaker 1: few people who can make other people see his visions.

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Speaker 1: And there were hundreds of people who said they saw

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Speaker 1: angels at the Kurtland Temple dedication. So the point is

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Speaker 1: supernatural manifestations of angels and saints. You can't say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: that is the religion. The Mormons probably in their history

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Speaker 1: would say they take They and the Catholics are probably

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Speaker 1: contenders for the Gold Cup for having these kind of things.

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Speaker 1: So I think they do go with truth. I do

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Speaker 1: think that if something has a real supernatural core to it,

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Speaker 1: there will be these things. But you can't take these

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Speaker 1: on face value as evidence that the Bible or the

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Speaker 1: Koran or the Book of Mormon are the only path.

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Speaker 1: But but I learned a lot from it, which is

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Speaker 1: that there there's a this tremendous tradition of witnesses, you know,

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Speaker 1: from Mexico to Portugal and Yugoslavia and so forth, where

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Speaker 1: they have you know, thousands of people have witnessed these

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Speaker 1: entities that appear to them. So it's an intriguing and

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Speaker 1: kind of underreported, underappreciated a phenomenon. Yeah, it's amazing, Scott,

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Speaker 1: how you've tied UFOs into these things too. How did

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Speaker 1: that happen? Well? I originally thought that, oh, these must

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Speaker 1: just be extraterrestrials and so on the one hand, I

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Speaker 1: then you go back and read the books by the

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Speaker 1: skeptics that are supposedly refuting these events, it's absolutely amazing

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Speaker 1: how often they either lie or they're lying to themselves,

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Speaker 1: because you can compare the original events and then go

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Speaker 1: explanations don't make any sense. And probably the most famous

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Speaker 1: There's this new TV program, the Blue Book Project. I

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Speaker 1: he founded the Center for UFO Studies. And his right

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Speaker 1: hand guy was Jacques Filet, who went on to become

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Speaker 1: a great theorist about what these phenomena could be. So

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Speaker 1: when I looked into this, I was really impressed with

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Speaker 1: a lot of your listeners know, a whole wave in

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Speaker 1: information is and yet when you talk to the skeptics

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Speaker 1: and it's really just another example of how closed minded

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Speaker 1: this has evolved in the book. I don't bring up

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Speaker 1: because I want to focus people on the heart evidence,

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Speaker 1: because the message there is we don't know what these

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Speaker 1: things are, they're worth studying. And this is where the

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Speaker 1: so called skeptics actually reveal themselves to be debunkers who

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Speaker 1: have no interest in the truth. Because if they weren't

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Speaker 1: afraid of this stuff, if they didn't see all these

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Speaker 1: belief in God, they wouldn't be so irrational about it.

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Speaker 1: And the whole history of UFOs is filled with lies,

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Speaker 1: scientific co conspirators. And some of the cases I said

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Speaker 1: I show exactly how the defenders of the atheioskeptic position

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Speaker 1: eventually I came around to Jacques Falet's theory, which is

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Speaker 1: these entities really aren't extraterrestrials. There might be some some

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Speaker 1: of these might just be people from another planet who

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Speaker 1: let me ask you the sixty four thousand dollar question,

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Speaker 1: and that is, in your opinion, what is God? Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 1: So here here you can. As I said, I reverse

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Speaker 1: out what was wrong with conventional wisdom and what I

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Speaker 1: what I have to say I, and I respect people's spirituality,

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Speaker 1: explain this because it's really quite obvious that the traditional

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Speaker 1: atheists to some extent understand this. But let's just consider

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Speaker 1: for a moment the assumption that God is all knowing

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Speaker 1: This helped form our personalities. And most people don't know this,

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Speaker 1: loaded up with all this programming. And then supposedly God

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Speaker 1: supposed to to find the truth, we're supposed to believe

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Speaker 1: or any great psychic to predict what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: order for us to spiritually develop. There's way too much

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