1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hi guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. The mysterious 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: disappearance of Jennifer Kessey as always, investigator's first question Jennifer's 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: family and close friends to see if any of them 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: had a reason to kidnap or harm her, or if 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: they knew someone and that did now. Her ex boyfriend, 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: according to reports, was recently upset and wanted to get 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: back together with Jennifer. He was questioned. Her current boyfriend 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: was also questioned. His alibi checked out. He was eliminated 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: as a suspect. He lived at least an hour away 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: from her. As we already know, her home was undisturbed 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: or clothes laying out on the bed, she had taken 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: a shower. Everything seemed to be in place in the home. 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: We all agree that nothing unusual happened inside her condo. 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: The crime scene moves to where her car is found. 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Nothing is stolen from the car. There's a brand new 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: DVD player in there, and police came up with one 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: latent print and one piece a very tiny fiber DNA. 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: Drew and Joyce Kessie still looking for their gorgeous girl, 20 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: what happened to Jennifer KESSI are their killers amongst us. 21 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: We put dogs on the ground bob straight from her 22 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: car straight back to her build, police said. This bloodhound 23 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: named bow Tract as sent from Huntington on the Green 24 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: right back to Jennifer's condo complex a distance at one 25 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: point two miles, but to go up to her door 26 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: and just to the kind of men Amran, because we're 27 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: about a mile away from her her apartments and it 28 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: seems rather extraordinary to me the dog would go from 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: her car back to the condominiums to order just to 30 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: the complex right. I was told by the detective when 31 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to confirm about the track that it went 32 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: to Mosaic Condominiums to the parking lot area where her 33 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: car would have been parked. There's two reasons for having 34 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: that track. One is to see if we can figure 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: out maybe the dog can lead us to Jennifer herself. 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: And then the other thing is is perhaps they can 37 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: find a path that the personal interest took and we 38 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: can find the person of interest or find evidence I 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: was discarding along their route to wherever they were going. 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: Where is Jennifer Kessie. I'm Nancy Grace. This is killers 41 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: amongst us and even now Drew A Joyce Kessie. Her 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: parents want answers with me. Drew and Joyce, Cassie, Ashley Willcott, 43 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, doctor Bethany Marshall, and Ray could jo 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining us from Beverly Hills. 45 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I think this person, the person that kidnapped 46 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: and killed Jennifer Kessy, is still out there. I also 47 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: believe this was not their first time at the rodeo 48 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: and certainly not their last. And other words, I bet 49 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: you anything the ps DNA is in the databank by now, Nancy, 50 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: I think so. You know, with so many of the 51 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: crimes we cover, the perpetrators are not only out there, 52 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: but they're breaking to family members, or there are clues 53 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: that they're leaving behind, or they're re offending in ways 54 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: that they come to the attention of law enforcement. So 55 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: let's take a look at this perpetrator in particular. He 56 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: struck during the daytime hours. He knew enough to remove 57 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: the car, He wiped it down for thirty two seconds, 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: he walked away. This was premeditated. He had been watching 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessey's condo and planning this. The type of person 60 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: who carries out this type of abduction is often a 61 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: serial offender, and what that means is that they are 62 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: trolling neighborhoods looking for victims, often living in isolated ways, 63 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: although sometimes with families. Some serial killers never talk to 64 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: anybody about their crimes, but others do break about their crimes. 65 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, think about the BTK killer where you know 66 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: he didn't break about his crimes, but he turned in 67 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: the CD to the church pastor that had evidence of 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: his crime on it. So what if this perpetrator is 69 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: not only reaffending, but talking to a family member breaking 70 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: about what happened, engaging in strange behaviors. Let's say there's 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: a family in this community where they have a twenty 72 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: seven or twenty eight year old son was twenty seven 73 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: or twenty eight years old at the time, who would 74 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: just leave at night in random kinds of ways and 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: come back the mid morning. I think the police in 76 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: the family should have cleaned out to the entire community 77 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: about these kinds of strange, odd behaviors and do almost 78 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: like a crowd sourcing exercise where they ask the community 79 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: to sink back and the police to sink back about 80 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: odd behavior breaking. And you know, one last thing, with 81 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: the passage of time, victims are our witnesses to a 82 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: crime are more likely to come forward because they're less 83 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: afraid of negative repercussion on the behalf of the perpetrator. 84 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: With me, doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of LA 85 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: to Joyce, Cassie, this is Jennifer's mom, Joyce, I know 86 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: that a tiny bit of DNA was found in the car. 87 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: As Jennifer's question to you regarding the DNA, do we 88 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: know what type of DNA? Is it a skin sale, 89 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: is it saliva? Is it hair? Do you have any 90 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: idea what the DNA is? I personally do not. They 91 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: kept so much close to the desk. I think that's 92 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: a question perhaps true can answer because he's read the 93 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: file right What about it race on the DNA that 94 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: we have currently that the police have currently, I recently 95 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: had it clarified and it is a partial DNA, so 96 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: they cannot even begin to use it within a data bank. 97 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: So if you're asking me as of right now, I 98 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: don't think technology can complete a piece of DNA, So 99 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: in my eyes, we don't have DNA, okay, Joseph Scott Morgan. 100 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: A partial piece of DNA. I mean DNA can be 101 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: in a slight amount, but DNA can't just be split. 102 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: It's like splitting an atom. You can't just split it. 103 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: You may not have enough DNA to work with, but 104 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: partial DNA. Explain that, Joseph Scott Mario. What we're talking 105 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: about here is probably something that's that's left behind. The 106 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: fragment itself is insufficient. And this happens many times in well, 107 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: insufficient or partial. Well, I understand that there too smart, 108 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean too small of a sample left behind, an 109 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: infinite tesmi old piece of DNA you can't work with 110 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: but a partial DNA, and it can be fragmented many times. 111 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: Would say, if it's coming from skin, for instance, and 112 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: we all heard about touch DNA and this sort of thing. 113 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: The reason, say, for instance, if it is from skin, uh, 114 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: those are dead sloping skin cells that are falling away. 115 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: If they've collected it from that, or say a broken 116 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: hair strand, the strand itself, it's and I'm referring to 117 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: the strand of DNA is incomplete. But what they can 118 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: do is they can amplify that, and they can expand it. Yeah, 119 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying because I've worked with so many 120 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: DNA cases in court when there was a small amount 121 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: of DNA, and you can you can replicate it, you 122 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: can increase it to a certain extent, you can amplify it. 123 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm trying to say, regenerate it. 124 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: If you have DNA, you can make more of the 125 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: same DNA based on that tiny bit. Uh Like, have 126 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: you ever heard of putting a piece of an organ 127 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: like liver back in and it grows? Okay, that's what 128 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about with DNA, and I'm speaking in very 129 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: rudimentary terms. I'm just a lawyer, not a scientist. But 130 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: when they're telling the catsies, it's partial DNA. And even 131 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: if it's a strand of hair without the nucle nuclei 132 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: root from which you get full on DNA, you can 133 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: still get mitochondrial DNA. And if you got by the 134 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: condual DNA, then you can look for familial DNA. Yes 135 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: you can. I mean, am I just dreaming here, Joe Scott? No, 136 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: you're not. And here's the rub that all of this 137 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: comes down to. You know, they were talking, Drew mentioned 138 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: and he was right, and just a moment ago that 139 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: they have insufficient to marry it up with anything that's 140 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: in a database. If they can amplify this bit of DNA. 141 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: There are two different databases that you go to. You 142 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: go to non offenders and then you have what is 143 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: referred to as the forensic offender database. And what that 144 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: means is they have unidentified DNA that has been collected 145 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: at scenes, for instance, all over the country that has 146 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: not been tied specifically back to a person. And what 147 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: Bethanie was talking about was serial offenders. This is kind 148 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: of interesting if you can take that and tie that back, 149 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: if they amplify it, and they can tie it back 150 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: to an offender, they say, for instance, they have a 151 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: grouping of these unidentified DNA A strands that are coming 152 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: back into Orlando area in Florida. Greater from a greater 153 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: perspective than that can tie this thing back as opposed 154 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: to maybe this is just some random transient off of 155 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the street that kind of vanished into the night and 156 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: never being seen again. You can establish a pattern from 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: an investigative perspective. Well, hold on, just a moment right there, 158 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: and I just got to point out ash Walcott, judge 159 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: and trial lawyer, court TV anchor Ashley Walcott dot com. 160 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: You know this guy, whether he was at illegal immigrant, unregistered, 161 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: or lived there, people act the same way. Behavioral emos, 162 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: method of operation, motus operandi really don't change. For instance, 163 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: every time a guy go on the run that I 164 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: was trying, I go, you know what, First of all, 165 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: go to mommy's house. He's bunked up, he's under the bed, 166 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: he's in the closet. Go guarantee you seventy percent of 167 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: the time that's where they'd be. I don't don't think 168 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: this guy fled the area, Ashley. That's what I'm saying. Oh, 169 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you, Nancy, And let me tell 170 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: you what I see in port over and over and 171 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: over again. It's part of what you just said, part 172 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: of what Bethany said, and that is people who commit 173 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: these kinds of crimes, they don't keep their mouth shuts. 174 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: They're not able to. They tell somebody, they tell everybody. 175 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: They get arrested on something else and tell someone in jail, 176 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: they tell a friend, they tell a neighbor, they have 177 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: too much to drink, and they tell everybody. I think 178 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: it is someone who is still in the area. You're 179 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: absolutely right. They don't move state to state or move 180 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: to another country, but rather they're a member of that 181 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: community and they've talked to somebody. I want to go 182 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: back to Drew and Joyce Cassie. Drew told me that 183 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: essentially he fails. There is no DNA. Why do you 184 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: think that? How do you know that? Did they? Did 185 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: you tell me you think it was a shaft of hair? 186 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: What is the DNA? The DNA is fabric and they're 187 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: supposedly and this is what I'm reading. I mean, this 188 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: is right out partial to the point that they could 189 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: not complete the identification of the DNA. It was partial 190 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: stranded DNA. That's that's what they're using. Okay, oh don't 191 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: let me. Let me just take that in. Let me 192 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: take that. Indrew on fabric partial DNA. You know, at 193 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: the time that she went missing, Jennifer went missing, I 194 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: don't know that we were even using mitochondria, which is 195 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: basically partial DNA. You can only on a shaft of 196 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: hair without the nuclear route. You can only get the 197 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: mother's DNA. That's partial DNA. You don't have the bio 198 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: dad's DNA and that which you need for full on DNA. 199 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Scott, is that what it sounds like 200 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: to you? It's on a piece of fabric. So I 201 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: didn't know that. That's something new to me that Drew 202 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: Kessey just told me. It's DNA on a fabric. Partial DNA. 203 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: Does that sound to you like does mitochondrial? Yeah, it 204 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: kind of does, Nancy. And my thought is, was it 205 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: from a piece of fabric that this individual had on 206 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: their person, and say, for instance, the DNA sluffing DNA 207 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: attached itself to this piece of fabric as it fell 208 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: away from this individual as they were in the car. 209 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: One more thing about this, Nancy that I think is 210 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: very crucial that the Kessie's had brought up, and that 211 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: is this idea that this guy's wiping the inside and 212 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: the outside. I don't know what it was of this 213 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: vehicle down. This goes to a level of sophistication and 214 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: awareness that this person had that he's leaving potentially a 215 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: trace of himself around. He's taking the time, This is 216 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: not a frenzied event. He's wiping down the car to 217 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: eradicate any kind of trace. That again gives me an 218 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: indication that this person has an ease with this as 219 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: opposed to somebody that's just in some kind of frenzy 220 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: that may have attacked this precious girl. Well, it also 221 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: tells me they may have done it before, yes, because 222 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: they're wiping away the evidence. When it's your first time, 223 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: you don't even know to do all that. Then we 224 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: think we have a break. Listen to WKMG clay Leopard. 225 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: We've learned from the Orange County Sheriff's Office that it 226 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: was a tip from the Kessi family investigator that led 227 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: them here and led them behind these homes to search 228 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: a concentrated area on Lake Fisher. For the past two days, 229 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: dive crews have been out on the water here in 230 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: Gotha searching for any clues that could help them in 231 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: Jennifer Kesse's disappearance. New six was their Thursday as crews 232 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: with the Sheriff's office began their search, clearing out weeds 233 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: as the Kessi family watched on. Obviously, it was a 234 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: good enough tip that you see the actions of how 235 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: many divers and what have you? I think had eight 236 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: divers at one time. The twenty four year old went 237 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: missing back in January of two thousand and six, when 238 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: she never showed up for work. As the search intensified, 239 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: her car was found at a condo complex page about 240 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: a mile away from where she lived, the signs on 241 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: the side of the road. Since then, her family and 242 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: friends have not given up the search. She is our child. Ultimately, 243 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm responsible for finding my child, Drew Cassie Joyce, Cassie 244 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: never giving up the thought to find their daughter or 245 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: what happened to their daughter, Jennifer. It's amazing to me 246 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: that Cassie's had to actually sue the police department in 247 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: Orlando to get the file. It's practically unheard of. To Drew, 248 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: did you ever get the full file? We're still working 249 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: through that. Almost a year later. We have gotten about 250 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: I would say, ninety five percent of files, and we 251 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: are working still with redactions on certain files, clarifying them 252 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: as well as I guess about a month ago now 253 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: through a news report, the chief stepped up and said, 254 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: we found some more files we didn't give the Kessie, 255 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: so we're going to have to get them do them. 256 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: So we are. We don't know if we're getting the 257 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: full file. Oh, to think what you've been through already 258 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: and now you have to sue the police department to 259 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: get the file. Listen to our friend WFTV nine Shannon 260 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: Butler to Enjoyce Kessie. You know that they may never 261 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: see their daughter alive again, but that hasn't stopped them 262 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: from pushing to find her. It's been twelve years of 263 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: pain that has turned from debilitating sadness to rage and 264 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, everything in between. Today seemed to 265 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: be a day filled with anger. There's a lot of 266 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: things that were done wrong and they need to be 267 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: held accountable for it. The family has hired an attorney 268 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: to fight to get the file, to have a private 269 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: investigator find Jennifer. They say Obed has had more than 270 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: a decade and their time is up. It's okay, Orlando, 271 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: It's okay. We understand how hard it is. We understand 272 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: people made mistakes. I've made mistakes, all human, but it's 273 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: time to get every resource available and we feel that 274 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: we have the right to it. Drew Joyce, what was 275 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: the final straw? Let me go to you, Joyce, this 276 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: is Jennifer's mother that made you realize you had to 277 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: sue the darned police to get the file. Because Nancy 278 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: the final straw was the fact that then they stopped 279 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: communicating with us and stopped responding to emails and kept 280 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: and all through the probably the better part of two 281 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: years that we we're campaigning if you will, to have 282 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: them release the record. Eight I don't. It was double talk. 283 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: It was double talk that we were getting, and we 284 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: were just so frustrated with the fact that we knew 285 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: that they weren't moving forward on her case that we 286 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: just felt as a family we had to take this 287 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: action to get the records. Well, Drew Cassie, is kind 288 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: of like you got the tiger by the tail. You 289 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: can't hold on, you can't let go. You don't want 290 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: to antagonize the police, but yet you're not getting answers. 291 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: You don't know what's happening with the case. They won't 292 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: communicate Quinn answering calls and emails. So at some point 293 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: you got to make a decision when you can't hold 294 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: on and you can't let go. Drew Cassie, what was 295 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: the final straw for you that made you know you had, to, 296 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: of all things, sue the police department to get the file. 297 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: It just became quite evident to everyone involved that they 298 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: were ever going to as an agency do that to 299 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: anyone at any time, under any circumstance. So I personally 300 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: knew that the legal system had to become involved to 301 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: sort things out. So it's a shame that it took 302 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: twelve years. We knew that when we brought legal into 303 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: the fringe that we would lose a lot of power 304 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: sort to say, and I don't want to say power, 305 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: but when you give up to legal, the whole game changes. 306 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: And the whole game did change, and it has changed. 307 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: So we walked foot in hand and step with for 308 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: almost twelve years. They became our adversaries. And think about that. 309 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: I want people to think about that. Law enforcement, and 310 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying specifically Orlando Police Department. Law enforcement turned the 311 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: people that are supposed to help you in the hardest 312 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: times of your life, especially as something as abduction turned. 313 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: They gave up about seventy five, which was what was 314 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: in the Orlando PD files, like timelines, photos, most of 315 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: them anyway, But as the interviews police did with construction 316 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: workers employed at the condo complex, then they are really 317 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: pouring over why is that? Drew Kessy, because it's important 318 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: to look at all of everything happened if you really 319 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: look at it and it's logic. I guess it's logical 320 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: sense that who had access to Jennifer at the time, 321 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: where was she that people had access to her. We 322 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: know it didn't happen and the condo, so it had 323 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: to be had to happen around the car or her 324 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: getting into the car. Did you learn in the files 325 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: that there are polygraph test results? Oh, I've read many 326 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: polygraph test results and I've read many polygraph test results 327 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: that are absolutely false. That we're past is true, absolutely false. 328 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: You even went so far is to hire your own 329 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: private investigator. What have you learned from the PI? I've 330 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: learned from our our investigative team is it's an incredible 331 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: process when you have fourteen thousand pages of sixty seven 332 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: hours of film to process and process properly, because you know, 333 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: we're being told we got one shot at whoever we're 334 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: going to go after and the people we go after, 335 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: So we have to make it informative, we have to 336 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: make it factual, and we have to make it work. 337 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: When we finally truly do become very aggressive, and I 338 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: think we're coming to that point. It's in my eyes, 339 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: it's taken two years too long, but we're coming to 340 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: that point where we need to be very aggressive. But 341 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: it's an oxy moron. We don't have the resources financially 342 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to move forward in the manner in which were take 343 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: a listen to this police presser at the Orlando Police Department. 344 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: We never stop searching for missing persons, but today we're 345 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: announcing an enhanced focus the Jennifer Kesse investigation and renewing 346 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: our plea for anyone with information to come forward and 347 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: help us solve this case. Through the years, the public's 348 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: interest in this case has not waned. That is due 349 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: in large part to Drew and Joyce and who have 350 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: been committed to keeping this case in the public eye, 351 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: and it's worked. This case continues to generate tips. So 352 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm announcing today that Orlando Police Departments Detective Teresa Sprague 353 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: will focus exclusively on this case. She's going to pour 354 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: through the thousands of pages of documents and case files 355 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: and the hundreds of tips with a fresh set of eyes. 356 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: If through Orlando Police Department. We never stopped searching for 357 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: missing persons, but today we're announcing an enhanced focus on 358 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: the Jennifer Kesse investigation and renewing our plea for anyone 359 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: with information to come forward and help us solve this case. 360 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: Through the years, the public's interest in this case has 361 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: not waned. That is due in large part to Drew 362 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: and Joyce and who have been committed to keeping this 363 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: case in the public eye, and it's worked. This case 364 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: continues to generate tips. So I'm announcing today that Orlando 365 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: Police Department Detective Teresa Sprague will focus eve exclusively on 366 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: this case. She's going to pour through the thousands of 367 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: pages of documents, case files, and the hundreds of tips 368 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: with a first set of eyes to Drew and Joyce. 369 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: Cassie joining me right now, Jennifer's parents, what do you 370 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: make the new focus on Jennifer's case? Is it real? Now? Nancy, 371 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: I will tell you that that's probably that's third time 372 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: they said that, And that's probably the third time they 373 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: said that about Detective Teresa Sprague. I think we were 374 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: there day one when Teresa came on board with absolutely 375 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: zero percent missing person's experience. In fact, I brought her 376 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: to the Department of Dressice Training seminar I was attending 377 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: at the time to get her training. What we have 378 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: found out through files and receiving the files that Detective 379 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: Sprague had not written one note in a computer or 380 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: on page that we see for the past seven years 381 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: of the investigation. So late twenty twelve was the last 382 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: anything was written in a computer about Jenifer Kessie's investigation. 383 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: And nothing has been written in seven plus years, almost 384 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: eight years from Detective Teresa Sprague that we have in 385 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: our hands. And we asked about that through legal of 386 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: Orange County and we were told that she did not 387 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: write anything in the past seven and a half years. Oh, 388 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: my stars, make what you want of it. I put 389 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: so much faith and hope and the naming of Sprague. 390 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: Hadn't she been a homicide detective prior to this? Yeah, 391 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: Joscout Morgan, you know, I've represented the state my whole life, 392 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: and to hear this is just a kick in the teeth. 393 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, it is Nancy that were the case 394 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: such as this, that they would put this into the 395 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: hand to someone who has no experience whatsoever. And obviously, 396 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: well she is a homicide detective. Yeah, but there's there's 397 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: a bit of a difference here. Uh. You know, when 398 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: you're trying to track down a missing person, those those 399 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: kinds of investigations work differently. When you're trying to piece 400 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: these things together. You as a homicide detective, you start 401 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: off from the perspective of I have a body, and 402 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: in this particular case, she does not. And so that's 403 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: a completely different way of looking at the world and 404 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: looking at the investigative context of this thing. And that's 405 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: a problem. And the fact that what Kessie's have stated 406 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: that there's not a note, there's there's not a follow 407 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: up report there, there's nothing there of substance. It's absolutely heartbreaking, 408 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: absolutely heartbreak. Well, I know she's still with the Orlando 409 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: PD because she just had a press sir as light 410 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: as February twenty twenty, okay, and that was about the 411 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: body forty six year old Daniel Everett being found and 412 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: she was speaking about that. So she's still in homicide, 413 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: she's still at Orlando. But according to the Cassie's has 414 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: done nothing on the Jennifer Kessi case. Ray Caputo, anchor 415 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: Orlando's The Morning News WDBO, why are you guys screaming 416 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: on the courthouse steps if nothing is being done about 417 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: this case? Nanty. We've been talking about this in the media. 418 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: In fact, like almost every year when her disappearance comes around, 419 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: when we talk about it again. And you know, I'm 420 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: not a fan of bashing a law enforcement officers. They 421 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: have hard me they are a hard jobs. But I'm 422 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: a bigger fan of the truth, right right, And you know, Nancy, 423 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: this past week and I took all the actually a 424 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: couple of weeks who I took all the kids to 425 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic Even I spent a lot of money, 426 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: but I, like my parents did for me, I pour 427 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: my heart out to my kids because I want them 428 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: to have a better life than me. And Joyce and 429 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: Drew they're the same kind of parents. And Jennifer was 430 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: one of the most prized possessions. And when something wasn't 431 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: right with her, they knew it. They drove all the 432 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: way to our Orlando at a moment's notice, they called police. 433 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: But to the Jennifer was an adult, and moreover, she 434 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: had a fight with her boyfriend. It was like her 435 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: story was on the back burner in a critical time, 436 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: those first forty eight when all that evidence is there 437 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: to be taking. What we're left with, Nancy is we 438 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: got this piece of a part, We got small pieces 439 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: of a puzzle, and we're trying to put it together. 440 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: But there are these large pieces that we missed early on. 441 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: Where are all those workers? You know, what are they 442 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: doing now? We're all potential witnesses. This is information now 443 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: that Orlando police are trying to get after the fact. 444 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: They're putting in an effort. They're searching lakes, people's following 445 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: up on leads. But it's just all too little, too late, 446 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: too Ashley Walcot, you're the judge, you're the trial lawyer. 447 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: What if anything can they do now? You can't make 448 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: the police do something. Well, they need to pursue and 449 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: continue with the lawsuit. But I have to tell you, 450 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think outside of the box, and it's 451 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: a judge I see attorney with really creative ideas and motions. 452 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: Why not if there's a court case still subpoena all 453 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: the records from law enforcement, or use some other legal 454 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: mechanism it may have already been done to try to 455 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: get them to do it. And then I wonder, you know, 456 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: sometimes mediation And here's why I suggest it, because, yeah, 457 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: police departments don't want to admit maybe they didn't handle 458 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: it fourteen years ago they would have handled it today. 459 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Maybe they haven't kept a fine eye on where their 460 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: evidence files are in their office. That sounds crazy, but 461 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: that's the reality of people and turnover and the things 462 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: that can happen. So sometimes I suggest mediation. Why so 463 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: everybody can sit down. It's not as flatitious to say, 464 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: oh man, Ashley, I mean, take off those rose colored glasses. 465 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: This is way past mediation that Cassie has had to 466 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: sue they Orlando PD to get the file. They still 467 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: don't have everything. I know, they're basically trying to strong 468 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: arm them to do DNA tests. In fact, this point, 469 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: I would do my own DNA test. Joe Scott help 470 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: me out. I mean, Ashley is right, that would be 471 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: the normal next step. I see these guys sitting down 472 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: to mediate. I mean, not one note written in the 473 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: file in seven years, according to the katsis oh hubl. No. 474 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: They gotta get that evidence and they got to have 475 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: it tested theirselves. Joe Scott, Yeah they do. And you know, 476 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: I think another interesting perspective, Nancy, is the fact that 477 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: the Flargia flee the Flarida Department of Law Enforcement actually 478 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: has and this is statewide, they have their own cold 479 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: case investigative squad. They even now have their own DNA 480 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: genetic investigative squad. So I think I would really liked 481 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: somebody shock him out. Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, Fdlee, I'm 482 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: really hoping that maybe they could be appealed to at 483 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: this point in tim since Orlando doesn't seem let's let's see. 484 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: Hold on, what about it, Drew? I enjoy to you, Drew. 485 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: What about the FDLI and is it your hope the 486 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: FBI will take the case. Well, I tried to get 487 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: FDLI to take the case, to do exactly what was 488 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: stated there. One must understand FDLI has not one piece 489 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: of power in this state. They can only do what 490 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: is specifically asked of them from the particular police department. 491 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: So they very much wanted to do more for Jennifer 492 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: and take over I believe in the long run, but 493 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: OPD would not do that. What do I feel? I 494 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: truly feel that Jennifer's case does need to go to 495 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: the will You know, I want to say, FBI, what 496 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: I have learned by going through this process and getting 497 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: the legal documents and having to do an investigation on 498 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: our own is a normal regular family like ourselves, the Kessies. 499 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: You can't do it, we can and not do it. 500 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: It takes an incredible amount of money, resources, and expertise 501 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: of which our government has within our legal and investigative system, 502 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: not the cassies. So as much as we've moved forward, 503 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: it breaks our hearts even more because we can't do 504 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: what's truly needed. Okay, let me ask you another question, Drew. 505 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: What about the Florida Attorney General. I'm sure you've contacted them, 506 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: not the current one. Life is difficult. I have not. 507 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: I did go to the Attorney General before Pam Bandi 508 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: and she said, honestly, there's nothing I can do to 509 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: help you. You're doing what would need to be done 510 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: from my end, which would be going into getting records. 511 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: But it's it's it's a very difficult fight. And I 512 00:32:52,400 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: see after fourteen years, just mentally it's well. I understand 513 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: that the current Florida Attorney General is Ashley Moody. Is 514 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: that correct? Yes, she is. When we have not met 515 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: with her with the governor, and we usually do all 516 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: that on their first day. It's taken a toll on 517 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: it for those of you that care about Jennifer Kessey 518 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: as we do. That number is eight five zero four 519 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: one four thirty three hundred repeat eight five zero, four 520 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: one four thirty three hundred or eight hundred nine five 521 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: five eight seven seven one toll free eight six six 522 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: nine six six seven two two six. What we need 523 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: is the Florida Attorney General to assign this to a 524 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: coal case division or to put a new investigative team 525 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: on it and take it away from the Orlando PD. 526 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: What about it, Joe Scott, I'm completely on board with it. 527 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. You know, I think that 528 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of us in the forensic community. They're 529 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: out here. You hear about crowdsourcing, crowdsourcing cases relative to 530 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: armchair detectives. I think that there are a lot of 531 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: people in forensics that would, you know, would like to 532 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: crowdsource a case like this if we could have access 533 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: to that, to that data, to that evidence that they're 534 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: not doing anything with. At least give me and my 535 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: colleagues a shot at it. Okay, whoa right there? Right there, 536 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: Drew and Joyce, would you be willing to copy all 537 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: the files and hand them over to Joe Scott, to 538 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: a mass A team? Yeah? Any chance? I mean, I mean, 539 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I'm just trying to think of anything 540 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: we can do to help I'm trying to think of 541 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: anything at all. Number one, I personally will write the 542 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: Attorney General and ask thank you for her to intervene. 543 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: But I would be happy, more than happy to work 544 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: with Joe Scott to look at the file to just 545 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: see did anybody miss anything that you guys maybe missed. 546 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe you didn't miss anything, but maybe 547 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: you did. And when you get a team of experts 548 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: on it. And I don't want any money, and Joseph 549 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan doesn't want any money. Just let us help you. 550 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: Let us help you in any way that we can. 551 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: For those of you that hear us now, the tip 552 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: line is nine four one two zero one four zero 553 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: zero nine. Please help us nine four one two zero 554 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: one four zero zero nine. You can go to crime 555 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: online dot com for all the necessary links. If you 556 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: have an idea, if you have a tip, please help 557 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: the Cassie's help Jennifer. Yes, you're right and help Jennifer. 558 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye for member