1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Fact with you and Buck Man. The draft is almost here. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: You can I think he can almost kind of smell it. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember what Cleveland smells like. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've been there, but but 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: I I'm starting to get fired up for this thing. Man. 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: It's right around the corner. Yeah, it's right around the corner. Man. 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: It's always an exciting time. I think for team builders scouts, Uh, 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: this is key in to the Super Bowl. This is 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: what all the hard work culminates in is seeing your work, 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: seeing who you pick, seeing the kind of contributions that 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: you have to rebuilding the roster of your respective team. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a lot of excitement going around, no doubt. Well, 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: a lot of excitement with the best player in this 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: draft who we agree with, Trevor Lawrence out of Clemson 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: gonna be the first pick there. The Jacksonville Jaguar is 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: gonna hear his name called. He's not going to be 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: in Cleveland for the draft. He's gonna be with his family. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: But we are going to uh dig really deep on 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence coming up on Wednesday, because we are releasing 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: really our favorite project we do each and every year, 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: which is the Move the Sticks three sixty series. It's 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: it's where we do a deep dive on a few 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: players in the draft, and Trevor Lawrence is first up 26 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: for this year's three sixty series. And Buck, I mean 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: the guys we've talked to. We've talked to his his brother, 28 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: We've talked to people that coached him in high school, 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: we've talked to his parents. Um, we we've dug deep, 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: We've talked to teammates and you name it. We have 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: checked every box and done our homework on Trevor Lawrence. 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: And I cannot wait to share that with everybody. You know, 33 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: it's a fantastic project. It really gives us an opportunity 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: to go behind the curtain to really reveal who these 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: prospects are, who they were coming up, and how they've 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: kind of handled their success on the way to being 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: at this stage and on this platform. And so it's 38 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: an exciting time to talk about a lot of prospects, 39 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: but particularly about Trevor Lawrence. And we we've known him 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: going all the way back to high school. You're run 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: him with the elite leven. I had a chance to 42 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: join you up there at the opening to watch him, 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: uh compete with Justin Fields. Again, a fascinating story with 44 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: them growing up so close to each other and actually 45 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: having spent some time working out with one another. We're 46 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: actually gonna talk to the coach who trained both of 47 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: them at the same time. So again, it's a phenomenal episode. 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait for you guys to to listen to 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: this one. Hopefully you enjoy it as much as we 50 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: did making it um. One person who has a lot 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: of insight on Trevor Lawrence, who we recently had a 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: chance to spend a lot of time with, was his 53 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: college coach in Dabo Sweeney, one of the most successful 54 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: coaches in college football. Has really built sustained excellence there 55 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: with the Clemson Tigers, and it's always great when we 56 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: get a chance to visit with him. We've done it 57 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: numerous times. Always feel like we get a little insight 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: not only on his players, but also on his program. 59 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: So here's our chat with Clemson coach Dabo Sweeney. Coach. 60 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: First of all, you know we're gonna get into t 61 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Trevor and when you first saw him and first met him. 62 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: But I want to get to you about the connection 63 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: between Trevor and this Clemson program because when I think 64 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: of Trevor and I think in your program, I think 65 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: of consistent excellence UM on both parts. What is the 66 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: key to that coach for him to maintain his performance 67 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: and your program to maintain your performance as well? Well? 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first thing for us is 69 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: is just the culture of our program. Uh. You know, 70 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: we start over every year. We we we learn and 71 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: grow and get better every year. We don't carry anything over. 72 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, you don't carry touchdowns over, you don't carry 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: bad plays over. You know, you start over. This is 74 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: a developmental game. But we've always been a developmental program, 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: you know. We we've always signed high school kids to 76 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: this point. We've not signed transfers and and things like that. 77 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: We really have just done, you know, evaluation, being very 78 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: disciplined in our evaluation, knowing who we are, belief in 79 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: our criteria UM. And then development, you know, so evaluating 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: and developing the people in our program, and not just 81 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: the players but the staff as well. Uh. You know, 82 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I've got twenty one former players on my staff and 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: all kind of different roles, and uh, it's just awesome, 84 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: you know. And and and so the development of your staff, 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: the development of your of your players, the nurturing of 86 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: your culture every year. But for us, we truly start over. 87 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't carry anything over. We start over 88 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: every year as if we all just poof landing in 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: a room together. No one knows anybody, because I think 90 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: it's so important to stay to know why you do 91 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: what you do. You know, what are what are the 92 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: core values? What's everyone's responsibility? You know, how's it all connected? 93 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: You know? Why do we practice this way? Why do 94 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: we train this way? Why do what? Why? And and 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: so you know, we spend five days as a staff 96 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: kind of reinstalling the program we take. We reinstall the 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: program all spring with the players. Uh and and just 98 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, create that buy in. The best teams are 99 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: player lead and and you know, and that's that's what 100 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: we've always had. We we nurture and develop leadership. That's 101 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: a huge part of what we do. Leadership, accountability, you know, uh, commitment, uh, development, 102 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: those are all reasons. And uh so you know, for us, 103 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: we just we just always have kept the main thing, 104 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: the main thing. Our goals have been very simple, they've 105 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: never changed. Uh. We want to graduate our players. We 106 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: want to equip them with the tools for life that 107 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: they need, you know, life like we don't wait till 108 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: football ends. We want to prepare now, you know. And 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: we want them to have a great experience, and we 110 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: want them to win a championship. That's really what everything 111 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: is driven. And it's never it's always stayed in that order. 112 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: And we've kept the main thing, the main thing. So Okay, 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: in No. Nine, that's easy to say these are the 114 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: goals of our program. Well, but twelve years later, okay, 115 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: how have we done well? We have a ninety graduation rate. 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: You know, the last ten years were the second winning 117 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: his team in the country on the field. But nine 118 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: out of those ten years we've been top ten academically, 119 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: along with Duke and Northwestern. That's very unusual, that's unique. Uh. 120 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: And our guys have a great experience. If you meet 121 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: guys from Clemson, they love this place. Uh. And and 122 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: every signing class it's oh nine has won a championship. 123 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: So but we've done it by staying focused on our 124 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: core values, being inside out, not being distracted, you know, 125 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: not becoming an outside in program. We've been an inside 126 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: out program. Having a belief, I mean an attitude of belief, 127 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: lots of discipline, lots of accountability. And uh, it's not 128 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: for everybody, you know, it's we have a lot of fun. 129 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: But this is a no nonsense place, man. I mean, 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: if you're not serious about being great, it's not gonna 131 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: be a good experience for you. Uh. And I'm talking 132 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: about being excellent in every area of your life. I mean, 133 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, and if you look at the and then oh, 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: by the way, they want to go to the NFL, 135 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: all right. And and so since I've been the head coach, 136 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: second in draft picks, second in first round picks, all right, 137 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: but we got a nine graduation rate, and that to me, 138 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: has been our eightish accomplishment has been consistency. We're not 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: gonna win the national championship every year. And and I 140 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: love the fact that people were mad if we don't 141 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: win it all. And that's great. I love to be 142 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: at a place where we've built expectations now where it's 143 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: not just winning a division or we won ten games. 144 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: Now people are upset if we don't win the national championship. 145 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: We went thirty five years without winning the national championship, 146 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: and now you know, then you go win two in 147 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: three years and you played for four of them. It's 148 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: there's this and I love that. I love that, but 149 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: it still comes back to just we're not being defined 150 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: by that. You know. We're defined by our daily commitment, 151 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: our daily habits, you know, our our UH value of excellence, 152 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: the type of men were developing through our program. That's 153 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: what we're defined by. And UH, if we can stay 154 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: committed to those things, hey, well we'll have we'll have 155 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: our special years here and there, um and we'll always 156 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: be a team that will have a chance. And that's 157 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: really what we wanted to do, was build a program 158 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: where we could be consistent and not just on the field, 159 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, because that's been the biggest thing is it's 160 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: not just winning to me, it's how you win that 161 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: matters more to me. You know, It's it's how you win. 162 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: Do you win by sacrificing and compromising and and and 163 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: using young people? Or do you win uh with love 164 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: and and you know, compassion and development UH and and 165 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: equipping young people UH with with a great experience and 166 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: great tools for life. That's that's really you know how 167 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: we've gone about our business here and Trevor has just 168 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: coming here and and stepped right into that uh you 169 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: know role. I mean, he's the epitome of that. He 170 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: comes in you talk about developing. Yeah, he's a highly 171 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: recruited guy, but he's gotta come in. He's gotta earn it. 172 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: That's the other thing. You gotta earn it here. We 173 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: don't give anybody anything. We're not entitling anybody you've got 174 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: You're you're empowered, you're not entitled. You gotta go earn it. 175 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: And Trevor was that way in the recruiting process, just 176 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: a very humble kid. Committed December of his junior year. 177 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, at that point we had we had the 178 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: number one quarterback in the country committed to Clemson as 179 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: a senior. He was a senior in high school and 180 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: we had like a top twenty quarterback. We had two 181 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in that senior class. And he came and then 182 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: we had Kelly Bryant and Zaik Cooper and all these 183 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: guys on the roster. And then he commits December of 184 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: his junior year. And to this day, this is one 185 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: of the things I've told a lot of people about him. 186 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 1: He never asked me about another quarterback in the recruiting process, 187 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: not like like, not a single conversation. It was all 188 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: about Clemson. What are programs all about? The people? You know? Uh, 189 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: that's all our offense, you know, the style of play, 190 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, receivers, those typle He never asked me, not 191 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: one time. So you're talking about a kid that it's 192 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: not afraid to compete, uh, you know. And he came in. 193 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: He committed December of his junior year and it was over, like, 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: never another discuss about recruiting and Trevor Lawrence. He just 195 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: went on about his business, being a high school junior, 196 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: being a high school senior, you know, just being a 197 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: kid enjoying his journey. And I can honestly say that 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: about that guy. He has truly enjoyed his journey. He 199 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: enjoyed being a freshman, he enjoyed camp, he enjoys spring practice. 200 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and watching him coming here and and having 201 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: this self awareness to him, Yeah, he knows he's really talented, 202 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,599 Speaker 1: but he's never satisfied. And he knew he needed to 203 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: get bigger or stronger, faster, more knowledgeable. All these things 204 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: and to watch him attack that process, uh, with just 205 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: great joy and his journey was really cool and and 206 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, proved that he could. He deserved to be 207 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: the guy, had to go earn it. And then he 208 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: does that, well, then us, you know, become a leader 209 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: of the offense, and that is let's become a leader 210 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: of the team. Then it was let's become a leader 211 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: of college football, you know, and let's become a leader 212 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: in your community. And so it just watching him go 213 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: through that journey, it's been pretty special and do it 214 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: with such grace and such humility and with the brightest 215 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: of the brightest of the brightest lights and unbelievable scrutiny. 216 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: You know, what these kids go through today. It's so 217 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: different than when when we were coming up, you know, 218 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: I mean, the scrutiny is unbelievable. But there's never been 219 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: a guy more prepared than Trevor. He's been dealing with 220 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: this since the ninth grade when he won the job 221 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old at Cartersville, which is a 222 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: great program, and he beat out a senior quarterback, a 223 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: really talented player who, by the way, was the starting 224 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: tied end in Alabama this year. Okay, but he had 225 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: been a quarterback up until Trevor made him a tight end. 226 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: Uh and and the rest of history. He's gonna gonna 227 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: be drafted this year as well. In fact, he was 228 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: at his wedding. But just the expectations, the scrutiny, the 229 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: social media, you know, the you know, then you get 230 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: into the seven on seven as the elite eleven is, 231 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: you're supposed to win every week, you know all that, 232 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: and then you're supposed to come to Clemson. You're supposed 233 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: to win the job. You're supposed to go to the 234 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: National Championship, you're supposed to do this, this, this, and 235 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's supposed to be the number one thing. 236 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: He's been dealing with this stuff forever. But guess what, 237 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: that's his norm. That's that's what he's used to. That's 238 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: normal to him. But the beautiful thing about him is 239 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: he's not he's not driven by that stuff. He is 240 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: a very That's why he fit our program very well 241 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: because he's a very inside out person. He's he's strong 242 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: in his faith, incredibly strong in his faith. Uh. He's 243 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: driven by that, he's grounded by that, and that has 244 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: served him well and will continue to serve him. Well, 245 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, you know, coach, what kind of special quality 246 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: does Trevor Lawrence have when it comes to that ability 247 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: to raise the level of his game and his teammates. 248 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: If you watch Steph Curry shoot the ball, is it's 249 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: just like you just just go wow, Like I kiss 250 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: his It's just just to sit there and watch this 251 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: guy shoot a basketball. Well, that's how you feel when 252 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: you watch Trevor throw football. When you get to see 253 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: him live and you get to see him move, you 254 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: just go wow. I mean, it's just it's just different. 255 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: He's a he's a face of a franchise guy. I 256 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: think Trevor can be an international superstar. You know, there's 257 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: not many football players that become international superstars. Uh. I 258 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: think part of the part of that is just because 259 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, we all wear helmets and uniforms, and you know, 260 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: you kind of get uh identified by that, and then 261 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: you take the helmets off, and you know, you become 262 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: a normal person and sometimes you blend in. Trevor doesn't 263 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: blend in, uh in any regard, and I think that. 264 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: I think he's one of those guys that you know, 265 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: just because of his presence, um, he's got a chance 266 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: to really transcend the sport coach. Last last question, and 267 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: you've been real generous with your time. As always, we 268 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Um, but what would you give? Because I 269 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: know what I would give. What would you give to 270 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: just be able to wear Trevor's hair for like maybe 271 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: this like a week, if you could just walk away 272 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: with that name for a week? What would you give? Well, 273 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: if I had known you were gonna ask that question, 274 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: I would I would have put my wig on because 275 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: I got a Trevor wig I want on the forehead 276 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: right there. Uh yeah, I've wanted that for Halloween. I've 277 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: wanted to a couple of team meetings along the way, 278 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: and you know, I've had some fun with that. But 279 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It seems like a lot 280 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: of work to me, but uh, you kind of worry 281 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: about your shampoo and you know the flip and all 282 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, but hey, it works for him. 283 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that I can pull it off, but 284 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: I guess six six, Uh you can. It goes with it. 285 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: But you know, the cool thing about him is he 286 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: does have this look of Hollywood. You know, he really 287 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: does like you know, but he I'm telling you He 288 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: is the most un Hollywood guy you're ever gonna meet. 289 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: He is just very simple, very disciplined, uh you know, 290 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: routine guy and uh just just very normal, very normal guy. Uh. 291 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: Like I said, he looks like this, you know, like 292 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: he's got all this uh you know, almost some prima 293 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: donna to him. But he does it. Man, he's he 294 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: probably uses painting, you know, simple shampoo, probably gonna have 295 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: anything fancy or anything like that. But we have to 296 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: do we have to do comps, right, so you know, 297 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: for the network, we always have to come up with 298 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: comparisons for these guys, and so uh with Trevor, I said, 299 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: well he's not there's not one comf m. He's kind 300 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: of a unicorn of that in that degree. Yeah. He 301 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't really have a comp for him either. I 302 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: mean I really don't one, right, I don't know he 303 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: is he is. He is very unique, you know, I 304 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: mean a lot of people. In fact, we did it. 305 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: I just did a thing with the he and Peyton. 306 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: We did a little thing downe at the Golf tourn 307 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Master's Golf Tournament last week and that was kind of 308 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: fun seeing those two, uh you know, because that was 309 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: really his hero growing up was Peyton Manton. That's why 310 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: I War sixteen was Peyton. Peyton was funny because he 311 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: was like if you know, you like if I was 312 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: his hero, you I wish you had chosen my Ama mater. 313 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Uh you know, but but you know he's he's he's 314 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: big like Peyton, uh, but just a better athlete, you know. 315 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean he can just flat out run. I mean 316 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: he's so different. Uh so I I can't really recall 317 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: anyone like him that had the combination of that size 318 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: and speed and and armed talent. Uh. It's it's unique 319 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: and and just an incredible football I Q to go 320 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: with it. I mean he's uh, it's got a high 321 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: aptitude for the game, processes things quickly, anticipates well you know, 322 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: it can make all the throws. And I got a 323 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: bright future for sure. Now now, now my running back. 324 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: I know you at you all even want to talk 325 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: about et N. But now my running back, I gotta 326 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: I got a comparison for him. Yeah right, because so 327 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: give me yours all. Right, Well, here's here's my comparison. 328 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: And again, you know we only we all go back 329 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: to our experiences in life, right, et N is Walter 330 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Payton All right, And I know that might be for me. 331 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: He's over going. Let me, let me bring me some 332 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: oxygen over here. But I'm telling you, I grew I 333 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: grew up. I grew up. I love Walter Payton, I 334 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: mean love sweetness, Oh my gosh, watching him play. He 335 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: played the game the way it was supposed to be played. 336 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean his passion, I mean, his toughness. You couldn't 337 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: tackle him. I mean you mean you better bring his 338 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: leg drive, his power and his lower body. Uh, you know, 339 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: just just everything about him and how he handled himself 340 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: with just this quiet demeanor, you know. Uh, and and 341 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: and that's that's Travis. But you know there's so many 342 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: similarities and and and I may, you know, look crazy 343 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: five years from now, but this kid has he has 344 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: that type of ability. You know, obviously you gotta stay 345 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: healthy and all that stuff. But but he is his 346 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: explosive power, his ability, his yards after contact, his ability, 347 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: his his relentlessness. I mean he runs with a violence 348 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: and a relentless will to not be tackled. Uh. That's 349 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: what he reminds me of. That's that's what I have 350 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: in my head, you know. And then what he can 351 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: do in the passing game is. I can't wait to 352 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: watch him at the next level. He he is a 353 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: complete player, and I think I think destined for for 354 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: great things. I love it. Coach. That's that's a good one. 355 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: He reminded me just when when Jamal Charles was coming out, 356 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: just once his foot goes in the ground, just that 357 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: upfield explosiveness that he had. Um I saw some of that, 358 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: you know with Jamal Charles, he was a darn good 359 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: player of people. That's new school. He didn't go Jim Thorpe, coach, 360 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: that would have been real. I will say this trash 361 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: is one of those guys that could have play in 362 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: any era, you know, And you know it's that's you 363 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: don't always see that in today's world, you know. I 364 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: mean it's it's but he's one of those guys that 365 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: could have played in any era of football. I really 366 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: believe that he's got that type of of of skill 367 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: set in toughness. That's awesome. Coach, man, you're the best. 368 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Why do you have an AT State helmet? Why do 369 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: you have an AT State helmet? As a plast I played, 370 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: I played, I got two of them. Coach. This is 371 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: the best one. This is the this is the yosef. 372 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: Look at the yosef from us. I'm still upset about it. 373 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: Did we play and you were there? No, they played 374 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: a little bit before I got there. We beat Wake 375 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: twice when I was there. Bucky's North Carolina Targills didn't 376 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: want to do with us during that time, so we 377 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: didn't play them. Coach, I'm not I'm not at home 378 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: so because otherwise you see the two uh North Carolina helmets. 379 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: But I've told this story because my dad coached Dexta 380 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: Lawrence in high school, and I told Dex the story. 381 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: When I was just my junior year, we played down 382 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: in Death Valley and Clemson had just come off of 383 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: losing to Wake for US the week before we played him. 384 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: So here was his coach Brown this This had to 385 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: be maybe ninety two. It might have been ninety two 386 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: down there because touchdown Terry Smith, uh Steve Hood was 387 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: maybe one of the running backs or whatever. They've been 388 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: struggling a little bit. So we're feeling good, we're trying 389 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: to come up. We're about to have a nine one season. 390 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: We go down there and before you guys have circled 391 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: around and you're at the top of the hill and 392 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: so we run out the Annalynsis first. So we run 393 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: out to the bottom of the hill and we get 394 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the hill and near the goal post, 395 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: and we're like, come on down, were ready for y'all 396 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: this time. That usually doesn't work out well. Coach we 397 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: had nature and MS and tailback, and I think you 398 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: guys still had Chester mcglockton and that crew. And Coach 399 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: Brown has said, hey, guys, we're gonna show him how 400 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: tough we are. We're gonna runty which the old toss. 401 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna run of the first three plays of the game. 402 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: And so we ran in the first three plays of 403 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: the game. And when we plunned, it was fourth and seventeen, 404 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: and it was part of it was part of I 405 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: mean clips and beat us so bad that I just 406 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: remember slinking out of the stadium um and just being like, 407 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: I will never ever go to the bottom of the 408 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: hill and call I will never poke the tiger. That's 409 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: what I've learned part of that a couple of times 410 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: and in my eighteen years here, and it's not worked 411 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: out very well. Uh those times, you s everybody just like, 412 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: let's just do thing, and I don't win the game. Hey, 413 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: So were you there in ninety three? Were you at 414 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: North Carolina? Yes, I was, so we played. So I 415 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: was my first year coaching and uh we played y'all 416 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: in the game ball. So I was a grad assistant 417 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: at the Gator Ball. I was at Alabama. I was 418 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: at Alabama and uh, yes, I came down and you 419 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: don't have to is two great running backs? What's that, Leah? Yeah, 420 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: Leon and Curtis Johnson. But your guys head, I think 421 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: Sam Shade, Yeah, Sam Shade Hall. Uh we had we 422 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: had David Palmer. Uh you know d Sherman Williams Williams. Yeah. 423 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: That was my first coaching three and so okay, I 424 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: got my I got my coaching career off to a 425 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: good start. One and oh uh in the bowl game there, 426 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: that was a great game though. But y'all were good, 427 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: were good? Man? That was funny. Yeah, that's yeah. So 428 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: that's that's the claim to fame. We always used clips. 429 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: It was always the measuring stick because Whitey Jordan's at 430 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: the time was the clips and legend. But he was 431 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator and so he used to always talk about, Hey, 432 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: y'all don't know about it. Not only here till you 433 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: got under and play them tigers. So ya, man, Yeah, 434 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: that's a. That's a. He was a great one for sure. 435 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I gotta go get 436 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: my workout here. You can't, you can't. You can't keep 437 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: a great figure like this if you don't go grind, 438 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: gotta work coach. That that shirt. I want to see 439 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: you all. You're getting dangerously close to going tyde with 440 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: that tiger shirt. Man, I say you just go all 441 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: the way man, all right, I'll see you guys, all right, buck. 442 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's great. He can go on. Now, 443 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: you can do a forty minute interview with Dabbo and 444 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: you only need to pack three questions. You pack three questions, 445 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: you're good, man, because he can handle it from there. Yeah, 446 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: he absolutely can handle it. But man, he's so interesting, 447 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: uh DJ, because look, so much of what he discussed 448 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: was certainly about Trevor Lawrence, but also wrapped around the 449 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: culture that he's created at Clemson. When you talked about 450 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: the competitive uh nous of the program and how you 451 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: have to earn everything and how look they rebuild it 452 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: each and every year, and how Trevor Lawrence fell in 453 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: live with that and I thought his story on Trevor 454 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: Lawrence as a recruit, never worrying about who else they 455 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: were bringing in, and really focusing on himself and then 456 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: focusing on being a great freshman and embracing all of 457 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: those things. Man, that speaks volumes about Trevor Lawrence's inner 458 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: makeup and how he's wired. And I think if you 459 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: are a team like the Jackson with Jaguars, who was 460 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: certainly entertaining and probably about the pullet the trigger on 461 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: him being the franchise quarterback, you have to feel good 462 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: about how the head coach for Clemson described Trevor Lawrence 463 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: and all the things that he's really about. How about 464 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: the Travis et In comparison there with Walter Payton, it 465 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: was funny because we start watching the highlights then um 466 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: and you go back and watch some of the tape 467 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: and look, I'm not saying he's Walter Payton, but man, 468 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: buck the high knees and just kind of a real finishing, strong, 469 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: powerful runner compact. I'm like, Okay, I see a little 470 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: bit of that, and now I'm not gonna put him 471 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: in sweetness this category. But I thought, man, it was 472 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: an interesting comp there from coach. Yeah, interesting camp. But 473 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: it's funny because then when coach puts the camp out 474 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: that you're like, I mean, I don't think he's sweetness, 475 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: But then you see some traits in terms of the 476 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: way he kicks out of arm tackles, the way he 477 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: does utilize that hesitation high step move at times to 478 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: stop start quickness and burst. And I will say this 479 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: that we probably don't talk enough about what n t 480 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: n his toughness. He's a hard nose runner, like, he's 481 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: not a guy that goes down easily at first contact. 482 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: And so Debo illuminated some of those traits and his 483 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: start running backs game. Well, I'll just say this, the 484 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: Dabbo wasn't here to cause no trouble. He was just 485 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: here to do the Super bowlshof Sorry, I gotta mix 486 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: in a dad joke every now on the buck. I 487 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: gotta keep you on your toes man, Yeah, you definitely 488 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: kept me on my toes. I love the interview, and 489 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: because we have had a chance to talk to de 490 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: boy a few times, I believe the inside is real 491 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: and genuine, not only when he talks about his top players. 492 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: He talked about Trevor Lawrence and obviously trapped INTI and 493 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: some of the young guys today have. But man, we've 494 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: done these projects to what we talked about, the culture 495 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: building and the team building stuff. I felt like there's 496 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: a page of knows, multiple pages of notes that you 497 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: could just take on what he talks about and how 498 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: he has built that that Clemson program into a powerhouse, 499 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: and how they're constantly and consistently in the conversation to 500 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: be one of the teams is vying for the national type, 501 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: no doubt. Well, I'll tell you what his quarterback, and 502 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is a really really interesting story with his 503 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: background and what he's been able to accomplish and and 504 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have to be excited about what he's 505 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: going to be in the future. And again, I just 506 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: want to remind everybody Wednesday, the Trevor Lawrence from the 507 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: six three six episode will drop one of the best 508 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: ones we've done. We've been doing this, gotch. I think 509 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: the first year is going back to the Jamis Winston draft. 510 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: I want to say, what's the first year that we 511 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: did this. So we've been doing this for several years now, 512 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: and I feel like it does provide a lot of 513 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: insight you're gonna learn, You're gonna hear things and learn 514 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: things about these top players is that you've never heard 515 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: anywhere else because we have been able to really talk 516 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: to everybody around these kids, uh and learn some really 517 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: cool things. So I think everybody's gonna enjoy that again. 518 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks three sixty Trevor Lawrence episode that drops 519 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Anything else you want to add before we 520 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: get out of here? Buck, No, I mean, it's fantastic 521 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: looked at. It's fantastic experience being able to talk to 522 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: Debbo about some of his top players. Great job out 523 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: of production team, Mark Brady, David Sing, all the guys 524 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, no Bill making it happen because I 525 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: think we are able to do some things that others aren't, 526 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: just because of the access and resources that we have 527 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: available at Yeah, and the most impressive thing is of 528 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: our group. You know, we talked about Mark and we 529 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: talk about in a bile and Singer all of doing 530 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: an outstanding job. But Bartlett's doing this, Ryan Bartlett is 531 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: doing this all. What the weight vest On, I mean 532 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: he's been working at home literally wearing a weight. Vest 533 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to know if he has the 534 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: shoes on. Remember the calf shoes like the jumper shoes 535 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: A good Yeah, I think he might be where he 536 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: might be producing in those as well. I'm not I'm 537 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna deny that. I think that's 538 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: a real possibility. Yeah, I mean that that is something 539 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: that's next level. Hey, get your working, get your work 540 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: out in, do it. So I'm saying it's the more 541 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: you can do, the more you can do, the greater 542 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: it is for you. He might be producing while doing 543 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: jumping Jack's. It's very real possibility. All right, that's gonna 544 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: do it for us today. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. 545 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: We have all your draft needs covered here on Moved 546 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: the Sticks. As we get towards Cleveland, it's gonna be 547 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: an epic draft. Uh And we've got everything you need 548 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: right here on Move the Sticks. We'll see you next time. 549 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and 550 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. 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