1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Cleveland Browns Draft Show, presented by 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Gregory Industries on the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Nathan Segura Andrew Siciliano Gerracheri, and we are joined by 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: the Browns Director of Player Personnel and a great friend, 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: a great human, Dan Sagginy SAgs, how are you. It's 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: from the heart, it's all genuine, it's all true, All right, SAgs, 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: here we go. We have now added six players to 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. As you sit here, it feels to 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: me just big picture, we're forming an identity in this draft. 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: You've got just some tough nosed, good football players Early 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: and Sweesssenger and obviously Mason Graham on the defensive side. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Two running backs now kind of a thunder and lightning 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: combination with Judkins Dylan Samson. You get Harold Fannon. We're 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: gonna play a little bit more twelve personnel. It's a 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: great thing about the mismatches with him and a joke 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: out there. And then you get a quarterback that absolutely 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: can operate this offense efficiently. And Dylan Gabriel who's started 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: sixty three games and been productive everywhere that he has been. 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: It's part of getting that identity. Getting back to we're 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: gonna run the ball. We're gonna put personnel groupings out 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: there that dictate to defense is something that was really 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: important to you guys in this draft. 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, like general, big picture of philosophy, 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: like we want a tough, competitive football team. Obviously, one 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: way to do that is to be very good running 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: the football. You know, between the guys we picked, you know, 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: in the trenches on the d line early a lot, 28 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, running hit linebacker who's gonna be super productive 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: for us, you know fits that bill. And then when 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: you you think through the offense, when you have two 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: backs you know, with a little bit of complimentary skill sets, 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: but two guys that run hard, that have speed, can 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: play on three downs, have immense touchdown productions, and like 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: elite you know, yardage production throughout their careers both in 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: the SEC against the best players in the country. It's 36 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: kind of a no brainer to add all those to 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: the roster to you know, play behind our offensive line, 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: work with the quarterbacks we have. And then when you 39 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: have a guy like Fannin who's kind of your versatile 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: f piece of the offense that can do a lot, 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: keeps you honest in the run game, in the pass game, 42 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: and obviously is a guy that had you know, pretty 43 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: crazy receiving production. Fits everything that we want to do 44 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: and how we want to play play the game. 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: So with this pick of Dylan Samson, did you guys 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: come into the draft saying we're going to take advantage 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: of this market surplus we want to or was it 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: a case of this is the best player on our 49 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: board by a lot, let's get him. 50 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, we felt in general this was a very good 51 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: running back draft. So you know, at this point in 52 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: the draft, everybody's board in the fourth round kind of 53 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: goes hey wire, It's all over the place. Everybody's looking 54 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: for some sort of needs. But I think we're kind 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: of looking for the best player available. And again, we 56 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: had an identity that we want to build here. Ye 57 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: you know, having two good, young, proven, productive college running 58 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: backs is huge. So yeah, you get a chance to 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: you know, take Q where we took him, We're obviously 60 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: really excited to think he's going to be a really 61 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: good player. Fits everything that we want from this football team. 62 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: But then also, you know, when you get a chance 63 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: to take Dylan where we took him. It's just great 64 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: value and a guy that we think, you know, has 65 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: started a level ability in the NFL and was SEC 66 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: Player of the Year and ultra productive and his first 67 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: year as a full time starter, which is pretty hard 68 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: to do. 69 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then a lot of people anticipate the idea 70 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: of it being receiver receiver receiver as a means to 71 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: get offensive production based upon what took place last season. 72 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: With that being said, we went tight end, we went 73 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: running back, and I'm all in favor of that because 74 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: I think ultimately he always win games by being physical 75 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: and the guys that we brought in have that presence. 76 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: What was the thought process in how you how you 77 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: guys restructed this offense and reconstructing it and saying how 78 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: you want to rebuild it? 79 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know. I'm sure you've heard Kevin 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: talk a lot about how important the tight end position 81 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: is with how we want to you know, number one, like, 82 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: it allows you to build formations differently when you have 83 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: two guys that can keep you honest in the run 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: game in past game. You know, obviously David's a Pro 85 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: Bowl level player in the league, really good run blocker, 86 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: you know, very good past game player, like elite rack 87 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: player in the league. And then you're at a guy 88 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: that has, you know a little bit different skill set, 89 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: maybe not as much of an in line, you know, 90 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: he's not built like David, not many humans are, but 91 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: like that skill set to be able to move a 92 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: little bit, to change our formations to get that pass 93 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: game value. And a guy that has elite hands and 94 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: run after catch ability, we think, so you pair those together, 95 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: it keeps you honest in the run game. And again, 96 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: like we're going to be a running team and everything, 97 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, we want to try to get things, you know, 98 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: to look pretty similar. You know, we always talk about 99 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: marrying the run in the pass and we think we 100 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: can do that with these guys with picks. 101 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: And then you just use the term elite hands. What 102 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: describe that for our listeners? What that entails? 103 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, when the ball is in the air, there's like 104 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: we talk about two things like tracking ability, which is 105 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: you know, really the ability to like adjust and track 106 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: the ball down the field track low throws, high throws 107 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: balls that are in contested situations. And the other thing 108 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: we talk about is dexterity. So it's like strong hands. 109 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: I mean, guys are going to be playing with, you know, 110 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: two hundred and forty pound backers on their back. You've 111 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: got to reach out pluck a ball with a guy 112 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: draped around your shoulders, around your arms, and you need 113 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: very strong hands to do that, especially at this level. 114 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: And then guys that can catch the ball and produce rack, 115 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: you know after the catch. Guys that like track the 116 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: ball and catch the ball off their frame while they're 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: running at full speed. It's a pretty hard thing to 118 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: do and probably an underrated skill in the NFL, where 119 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: it's like there's only a few guys that you feel 120 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: like are truly elite with that. You know, David David's 121 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: proven his ability with the ball in his hands throughout 122 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: his NFL career. Fanning, we think is a guy that 123 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: has excellent hands, elite hands. And then you know, as 124 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: a very productive player in you know, in the in 125 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: the college world. 126 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: Two things here. One number one, Dan sam Hall just 127 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 4: got traded, oh by the way, from the Seahawks to 128 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 4: the Vikings and basically a pick swap. Yeah, so a 129 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 4: guy who's a day two quarterback a couple of years 130 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: ago is now on his third team. Aaron Washington that's 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: either here nor there about Harold Fannin. So we talked 132 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 4: about Dylan Sam's an SEC Player of the Year, right, 133 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: big time competition obviously for Q as well for Squesstinger 134 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 4: as well. What Fannin did against A and M and 135 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 4: Penn State specifically against SEC and Big ten competition, not 136 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: to disparage the MAC at all, How significant were those 137 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 4: two games in his evaluation? 138 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very important because you're playing against 139 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: elite players obviously at those schools, against the competition that 140 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: he's going to play here. So you know, those are 141 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: games where you know, we anybody that we pick, we've 142 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: spent significant time on between all of our scouts, all 143 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: of our coaches, all of our meetings throughout the spring. 144 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: So I feel like at this point I've watched those 145 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: those two games probably seven different times throughout the process, 146 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: and you see your guy make plays against the best 147 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: competition he played against. When you know the guy's clearly 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: the focal point of his college offense, teams are trying 149 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: to stop him actively and he's still produce uses and 150 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: have has a couple of his best career games. I mean, 151 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: that's you know, a feather in his cap, and it 152 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: proves what he can do against the best competition. 153 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 4: Quick one on Samson, I heard you downstairs when you 154 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: did the press conference talking about his return ability. Didn't 155 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: have a lot of it, to be honest with you 156 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: at Tennessee. But the kickoff is different. Now. Is that 157 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: a guy that you project considering the kickoff is not 158 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: basically a scrimmage play that he can have a role 159 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: as a rookie. 160 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, that'll be up you know, to our 161 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: coaches to determine once we get him here. But I 162 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: think if you're looking for a guy that can put 163 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: his foot in the ground and go, which is extremely 164 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: important in these rules, like and has the speed to 165 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: cut something back, you know, all the way back across 166 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: the formation and produce chunk plays like you know, something 167 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: that he was never tasked with doing in Tennessee. But yeah, 168 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: his athletic skill set, how he runs the ball with vision, 169 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: strength and speed, I think it, Yeah, absolutely could can translate. 170 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: So it'll be something we you know, we look at 171 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: and we have, you know a couple of guys that 172 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: have been proven productive NFL returners on the rock, and 173 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: again we're always looking you have to develop rookies in 174 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: this guys that never Most of these guys never played 175 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: on special teams as much in college, so you're always 176 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: trying to project a little bit. 177 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, we just nice to get a guy at 178 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: thirty three who you don't typically get a guy thirty 179 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: three is a special team stot already, right, that was 180 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: pretty nice. 181 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty good, go ahead, pretty good at. 182 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: And then I'm wondering geography does it fact in with 183 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: the process, because it's a tedious one that you all 184 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: go through. Having guys that are in your own backyard 185 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: if you will, in Columbus, in in Bowling Green. Is 186 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: that help at all with the process. 187 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: It's a good question. I mean you would think it 188 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: does a little bit. But ultimately, like we're trying to 189 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: take the best players we can wherever, you know, with 190 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: our resources. No different than how we spend our free 191 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: agency dollars. You're allocating resources where you think it best fits. 192 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, like is it great to have Yeah, we 193 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: take all the local, really good players we can get. 194 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: We've had, you know, Denzel Ward's a pretty good one. Like, 195 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: we've had plenty of good guys through the years, so 196 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: kind of. 197 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: Up, we're on the clock. 198 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, would you like to go in there and participate. 199 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably need to do all right. 200 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: Well, that says real time action here. We got a 201 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: trade hold on SAgs. Do you have Can you throw 202 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: out some names that we might be drifting on. 203 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: You guys caught me at a good time. 204 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: We get live reaction here everyone, Final advice, Yes. 205 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 4: Good to your job. 206 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: The great SAgs. What an absolute tree