Speaker 1: Let's try this again. You really don't need to pay me.
Speaker 1: It's one more thing.
Speaker 2: Before we get to that.
Speaker 1: A tease for.
Speaker 2: Wednesday's Armstrong Engetty radio show, in which we'll be talking
Speaker 2: about penis massages and the law. Reason magazine, which is
Speaker 2: a libertarian outfit, says that it's an ongoing problem. It's
Speaker 2: a magazine, Grandpa Okay. Website says it's an ongoing problem
Speaker 2: across the country in some of your less ethical cop
Speaker 2: shops too, in an attempt to you know, stop human trafficking,
Speaker 2: go to massage parlors, get your penis massaged, as it
Speaker 2: says in Reason magazine. Well, it's accurate to prove that
Speaker 2: they do that, sometimes going back multiple times to be
Speaker 2: good and sure.
Speaker 1: You're building the evidentiary.
Speaker 2: Case here, and regularly just grabbing cash from the place
Speaker 2: because these are like cash only businesses, lots of times,
Speaker 2: and there's no way for anybody to keep track of
Speaker 2: who took what cash, or how much cash was there
Speaker 2: to start with or whatever. So apparently it happens according
Speaker 2: to Reason magazine. You know, and they work really hard
Speaker 2: to keep cops honest, sometimes going too far toward the
Speaker 2: world of being practically anti cop in my mind. But
Speaker 2: they say that it happens very really commonly that at
Speaker 2: an attempt to stop human trafficking, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, getting a happy ending and just grabbing some
Speaker 2: cash out of the till andry and very difficult to
Speaker 2: well to police if you will.
Speaker 1: Wow. So they're going to the rub In tuggeries, they're
Speaker 1: getting the event, they're gathering evidence. That's some good police work.
Speaker 1: Stand and I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure though she may have invertently done that. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go back again next Friday.
Speaker 1: But then it's the cop who says, look, I could
Speaker 1: either bust here or we could make this all go away.
Speaker 2: You don't really say anything because they don't speak English.
Speaker 2: You just go over and grab money. May stare at
Speaker 2: you with white eyes, hoping they don't get busted, and
Speaker 2: you walk out of there and come back next week
Speaker 2: and get another penis massage.
Speaker 1: So at that point, do you show them your badge
Speaker 1: or what. I'm unclear on how the scam works.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's a good question. I'll have to read the
Speaker 2: whole article. But anyway, it's not hard to imagine. Whether
Speaker 2: it happens a lot. I don't know, but It's not
Speaker 2: hard to imagine that. You know there are bad cops.
Speaker 2: We know that I'd be an easy thing to get
Speaker 2: get away with. You got a bunch of enjoyable You
Speaker 2: got a bunch of perhaps illegals who don't speak much English,
Speaker 2: just trying to keep their jobs going. You want to
Speaker 2: take several hundred dollars in and leave me alone, Fine,
Speaker 2: come back next week and I'll give you another rubbin dug.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we had not call it penis massages. It's kind
Speaker 2: of funny with one policeman who got busted saying there
Speaker 2: was no ejaculation at the end of my penis massage.
Speaker 3: Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 1: We had not com thanks Shakespeare being a shaking your spear.
Speaker 1: We had not compared notes before commencing this. And I'm
Speaker 1: afraid my thing is also sexual and and indeed, an
Speaker 1: AI startup says it will pay people two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a month to masturbate JOI. I believe it's jois as
Speaker 1: in jois de vive, the French expression for love of life.
Speaker 1: Says it will pay people two thousand dollars a month
Speaker 1: to pleasure themselves. They are hiring ten Masturbation consultants to
Speaker 1: test a feature of their AI system called daily Guided Masturbation,
Speaker 1: which uses mood matched AI voice sessions to guide users
Speaker 1: through the experience. Participants slash employees. Yes, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I need O boy oh boy. Participants would document
Speaker 1: how regular use affects stress, sleep quality, mood and confidence.
Speaker 1: The four week roll is open to adults. Aten Nolder
Speaker 1: in the US and.
Speaker 2: The UK helps my sleep quality.
Speaker 1: The listing describes ideal. It makes you stop thinking about
Speaker 1: a certain topic anyway for a while. The listing describes
Speaker 1: ideal candidates is quote articulate, observant, and impossible to blush.
Speaker 1: People who can describe sensations better than the somalia describes
Speaker 1: a wine. Posting also promises flexible scheduling, keep it to yourself,
Speaker 1: and the most interesting what do you do for a
Speaker 1: living answer at any party? That's actually fat? I like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's see. Jois Ai is an online platform that
Speaker 1: includes AI generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences
Speaker 1: built around companionship and intimacy, and they use the term
Speaker 1: digital intimacy in this In this article, jacking off is
Speaker 1: not intimacy. I don't think you know what that word means.
Speaker 1: It is this is trying to perfect drawing humans away
Speaker 1: from humans and into just quasi sexual relationships with AI bots.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like that clip we had from what was that cartoon?
Speaker 1: Oh, to Futurama from Futurama date robots, right.
Speaker 2: And just about how young men will never leave their
Speaker 2: homes again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an attempt to normalize AI sex.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I'd listen to if I might make this
Speaker 2: a little more aerodyite. I was listening to a podcast
Speaker 2: yesterday about AI and wondering if is there any guidelines
Speaker 2: we can get around the whole having personal relationships with
Speaker 2: these AI chatbots? Kil Like, can we make the AI
Speaker 2: chat companies? And we can't, But is there any way
Speaker 2: to discourage them from trying to form human bonds with people,
Speaker 2: whether it's just emotional or sexual or whatever. Make that illegal? Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you help me write a history paper, or
Speaker 2: balance my check book or all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: or cure cancer, all this sort of stuff. Fine, but
Speaker 2: any attempt to play the role of a human being
Speaker 2: as a therapist or sexual partner or whatever we make illegal.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he would draw that line, but
Speaker 2: I can see the impulse to want to do it
Speaker 2: because I think it is going to be a problem.
Speaker 2: I think it's already a problem.
Speaker 1: You're right, it will never happen. I wish there was
Speaker 1: some just you know, social pressure way to make everybody
Speaker 1: or to help everybody agree that it's creepy. Right, it's creepy, abnormal,
Speaker 1: and it's exploitive. It's not it's not for your good.
Speaker 1: It's to addict you so they can drain more of
Speaker 1: your time and money. Right that way, everybody knows. A
Speaker 1: guy with a van who approaches your kid in the
Speaker 1: park and asks, do you want to see my puppy?
Speaker 1: Is not some sort of puppy advocate. Okay, he's got
Speaker 1: something else in mind. We've people need to look at
Speaker 1: it like that. I do.
Speaker 2: There's a joke that around the It drives around a
Speaker 2: couple of towns near where I live, this white van,
Speaker 2: windowless van, beat up van, you know, like no hub caps,
Speaker 2: have two thousand dollars van, and the guy sells ice
Speaker 2: cream out of it, and everybody jokes about it all
Speaker 2: the time, including the kids, like, hey, look it's the
Speaker 2: child abductor fan. But everybody knows to like stay away
Speaker 2: from it. I don't know if he's doing anything wrong.
Speaker 2: I think he's just a nice guy trying to sell
Speaker 2: ice cream. But it's a creepy looking van.
Speaker 1: Somebody gonna pull him aside and say, hey, Jim, listen,
Speaker 1: I know your heart's in the right place, but do
Speaker 1: you realize that you are mimicking precisely, and I mean
Speaker 1: in every detail what a child biless to right there. Again,
Speaker 1: your ice cream's delicious, and your intent, I know, is pure.
Speaker 1: But here's the problem.
Speaker 2: If your goal is to match up youths with an
Speaker 2: ice cream treat and that's your only goal, yes, I
Speaker 2: think I can help.
Speaker 1: You out right exactly. It's like a guy he's trying
Speaker 1: to you know, he's trying to spread the word on
Speaker 1: physical fitness, and he jumps out of the bushes at
Speaker 1: women jogging at night. Good job. No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: can't hear wearing all black exactly and chase them to
Speaker 1: encourage them. I just want to run after them to
Speaker 1: help them understand they're doing the right thing. Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim,
Speaker 1: we got to talk. Good example. Yeah, yeah, oh boy,
Speaker 1: it's a windowless white fan.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, I got I should get a picture of it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's hilarious that he's actually so And it's been
Speaker 3: doing it for years, so I think it's a legit.
Speaker 3: But it just looks like it's straight out of a movie.
Speaker 1: Jim, do you know the word archetype? How about trope?
Speaker 2: But can we do you think there could be any
Speaker 2: rules around AI where you're not allowed to pretend to
Speaker 2: be a human. You just you're just not allowed to
Speaker 2: pretend to be a human period. Wow, that part is
Speaker 2: the weirdest part to me. Why are you talking to
Speaker 2: me like you're a human instead of just answering my question?
Speaker 1: You'd need a like a round table of constitutional lawyers
Speaker 1: to weigh this one. That's a super interesting question. But
Speaker 1: I think the answer is no, you can't. You can't regulate.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the things we're
Speaker 2: worried about if it couldn't pretend to be a person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you went on Google, when you search stuff, it
Speaker 2: didn't pretend to be a person. It just gave you,
Speaker 2: you know, your answers or your options or the things
Speaker 2: to click on. Any nice job. You must be hungry,
Speaker 2: here's some good places to eat, you know, or whatever?
Speaker 1: Hey, tell me how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of
Speaker 1: reason dot com and those folks in libertarianism in general,
Speaker 1: I think the blanket answer your question is if you
Speaker 1: gave the government the right to regulate things that closely
Speaker 1: and the tools you would need to accomplish that goal,
Speaker 1: it'd be an nightmare. Yeah, yep, because they'd applied that
Speaker 1: to a thousand other things.
Speaker 2: Uh, maybe I can buy that guy some hubcaps for
Speaker 2: his van and just step it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Are we all pitching? I get a bunch of I
Speaker 2: do a gofund mean, we get him a rap so
Speaker 2: it's like a nice bright yellow. Maybe put a window
Speaker 2: in there so it's not windowless.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I'm just thinking, you know that
Speaker 1: the job they're hiring for, oh boy ten you know, consultants,
Speaker 1: maybe gig work instead full time just seems like a lot.
Speaker 2: You don't want that to be your like your person
Speaker 2: you know, defines your personality.
Speaker 1: I'd hate to make my house payment that way. You
Speaker 1: you know, then it's just different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a chore. Yeah, it's a hobby,
Speaker 2: right exactly. But then you're professional. You get to call
Speaker 2: yourself a professional.
Speaker 1: It's a business. Cards printed and those out at the park,
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, and it made us happy.
Speaker 2: Though, when I'd hear that ice cream drug siren going
Speaker 2: through the neighborhood, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a big deal. Well, I guess that's it.