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<v Speaker 1>Let's try this again. You really don't need to pay me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>A tease for.

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday's Armstrong Engetty radio show, in which we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about penis massages and the law. Reason magazine, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a libertarian outfit, says that it's an ongoing problem. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a magazine, Grandpa Okay. Website says it's an ongoing problem

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<v Speaker 2>across the country in some of your less ethical cop

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<v Speaker 2>shops too, in an attempt to you know, stop human trafficking,

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<v Speaker 2>go to massage parlors, get your penis massaged, as it

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<v Speaker 2>says in Reason magazine. Well, it's accurate to prove that

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<v Speaker 2>they do that, sometimes going back multiple times to be

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<v Speaker 2>good and sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You're building the evidentiary.

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<v Speaker 2>Case here, and regularly just grabbing cash from the place

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<v Speaker 2>because these are like cash only businesses, lots of times,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's no way for anybody to keep track of

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<v Speaker 2>who took what cash, or how much cash was there

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<v Speaker 2>to start with or whatever. So apparently it happens according

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<v Speaker 2>to Reason magazine. You know, and they work really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to keep cops honest, sometimes going too far toward the

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<v Speaker 2>world of being practically anti cop in my mind. But

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<v Speaker 2>they say that it happens very really commonly that at

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<v Speaker 2>an attempt to stop human trafficking, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting a happy ending and just grabbing some

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<v Speaker 2>cash out of the till andry and very difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>well to police if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So they're going to the rub In tuggeries, they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting the event, they're gathering evidence. That's some good police work.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand and I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure though she may have invertently done that. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go back again next Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it's the cop who says, look, I could

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<v Speaker 1>either bust here or we could make this all go away.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't really say anything because they don't speak English.

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<v Speaker 2>You just go over and grab money. May stare at

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<v Speaker 2>you with white eyes, hoping they don't get busted, and

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<v Speaker 2>you walk out of there and come back next week

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<v Speaker 2>and get another penis massage.

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<v Speaker 1>So at that point, do you show them your badge

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<v Speaker 1>or what. I'm unclear on how the scam works.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's a good question. I'll have to read the

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<v Speaker 2>whole article. But anyway, it's not hard to imagine. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>it happens a lot. I don't know, but It's not

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<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine that. You know there are bad cops.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that I'd be an easy thing to get

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<v Speaker 2>get away with. You got a bunch of enjoyable You

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<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of perhaps illegals who don't speak much English,

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to keep their jobs going. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>take several hundred dollars in and leave me alone, Fine,

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<v Speaker 2>come back next week and I'll give you another rubbin dug.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately we had not call it penis massages. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of funny with one policeman who got busted saying there

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<v Speaker 2>was no ejaculation at the end of my penis massage.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, for God's sake.

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<v Speaker 1>We had not com thanks Shakespeare being a shaking your spear.

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<v Speaker 1>We had not compared notes before commencing this. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>afraid my thing is also sexual and and indeed, an

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<v Speaker 1>AI startup says it will pay people two thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a month to masturbate JOI. I believe it's jois as

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<v Speaker 1>in jois de vive, the French expression for love of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Says it will pay people two thousand dollars a month

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<v Speaker 1>to pleasure themselves. They are hiring ten Masturbation consultants to

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<v Speaker 1>test a feature of their AI system called daily Guided Masturbation,

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<v Speaker 1>which uses mood matched AI voice sessions to guide users

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<v Speaker 1>through the experience. Participants slash employees. Yes, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I need O boy oh boy. Participants would document

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<v Speaker 1>how regular use affects stress, sleep quality, mood and confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>The four week roll is open to adults. Aten Nolder

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<v Speaker 1>in the US and.

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<v Speaker 2>The UK helps my sleep quality.

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<v Speaker 1>The listing describes ideal. It makes you stop thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>a certain topic anyway for a while. The listing describes

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<v Speaker 1>ideal candidates is quote articulate, observant, and impossible to blush.

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<v Speaker 1>People who can describe sensations better than the somalia describes

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<v Speaker 1>a wine. Posting also promises flexible scheduling, keep it to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>and the most interesting what do you do for a

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<v Speaker 1>living answer at any party? That's actually fat? I like that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's see. Jois Ai is an online platform that

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<v Speaker 1>includes AI generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences

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<v Speaker 1>built around companionship and intimacy, and they use the term

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<v Speaker 1>digital intimacy in this In this article, jacking off is

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<v Speaker 1>not intimacy. I don't think you know what that word means.

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<v Speaker 1>It is this is trying to perfect drawing humans away

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<v Speaker 1>from humans and into just quasi sexual relationships with AI bots.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that clip we had from what was that cartoon?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, to Futurama from Futurama date robots, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And just about how young men will never leave their

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<v Speaker 2>homes again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is an attempt to normalize AI sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, I'd listen to if I might make this

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<v Speaker 2>a little more aerodyite. I was listening to a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday about AI and wondering if is there any guidelines

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<v Speaker 2>we can get around the whole having personal relationships with

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<v Speaker 2>these AI chatbots? Kil Like, can we make the AI

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<v Speaker 2>chat companies? And we can't, But is there any way

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<v Speaker 2>to discourage them from trying to form human bonds with people,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's just emotional or sexual or whatever. Make that illegal? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you help me write a history paper, or

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<v Speaker 2>balance my check book or all that sort of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>or cure cancer, all this sort of stuff. Fine, but

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<v Speaker 2>any attempt to play the role of a human being

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<v Speaker 2>as a therapist or sexual partner or whatever we make illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how he would draw that line, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can see the impulse to want to do it

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it is going to be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's already a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, it will never happen. I wish there was

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<v Speaker 1>some just you know, social pressure way to make everybody

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<v Speaker 1>or to help everybody agree that it's creepy. Right, it's creepy, abnormal,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's exploitive. It's not it's not for your good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to addict you so they can drain more of

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<v Speaker 1>your time and money. Right that way, everybody knows. A

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<v Speaker 1>guy with a van who approaches your kid in the

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<v Speaker 1>park and asks, do you want to see my puppy?

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<v Speaker 1>Is not some sort of puppy advocate. Okay, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>something else in mind. We've people need to look at

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<v Speaker 1>it like that. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a joke that around the It drives around a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of towns near where I live, this white van,

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<v Speaker 2>windowless van, beat up van, you know, like no hub caps,

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<v Speaker 2>have two thousand dollars van, and the guy sells ice

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<v Speaker 2>cream out of it, and everybody jokes about it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, including the kids, like, hey, look it's the

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<v Speaker 2>child abductor fan. But everybody knows to like stay away

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<v Speaker 2>from it. I don't know if he's doing anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's just a nice guy trying to sell

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream. But it's a creepy looking van.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody gonna pull him aside and say, hey, Jim, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I know your heart's in the right place, but do

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that you are mimicking precisely, and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>in every detail what a child biless to right there. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>your ice cream's delicious, and your intent, I know, is pure.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>If your goal is to match up youths with an

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream treat and that's your only goal, yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I can help.

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<v Speaker 1>You out right exactly. It's like a guy he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, he's trying to spread the word on

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<v Speaker 1>physical fitness, and he jumps out of the bushes at

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<v Speaker 1>women jogging at night. Good job. No, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't hear wearing all black exactly and chase them to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage them. I just want to run after them to

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<v Speaker 1>help them understand they're doing the right thing. Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to talk. Good example. Yeah, yeah, oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a windowless white fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh, I got I should get a picture of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's hilarious that he's actually so And it's been

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<v Speaker 3>doing it for years, so I think it's a legit.

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<v Speaker 3>But it just looks like it's straight out of a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim, do you know the word archetype? How about trope?

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<v Speaker 2>But can we do you think there could be any

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<v Speaker 2>rules around AI where you're not allowed to pretend to

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<v Speaker 2>be a human. You just you're just not allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>pretend to be a human period. Wow, that part is

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<v Speaker 2>the weirdest part to me. Why are you talking to

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<v Speaker 2>me like you're a human instead of just answering my question?

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<v Speaker 1>You'd need a like a round table of constitutional lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>to weigh this one. That's a super interesting question. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think the answer is no, you can't. You can't regulate.

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<v Speaker 2>But wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the things we're

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<v Speaker 2>worried about if it couldn't pretend to be a person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when you went on Google, when you search stuff, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't pretend to be a person. It just gave you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your answers or your options or the things

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<v Speaker 2>to click on. Any nice job. You must be hungry,

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<v Speaker 2>here's some good places to eat, you know, or whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, tell me how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>reason dot com and those folks in libertarianism in general,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the blanket answer your question is if you

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<v Speaker 1>gave the government the right to regulate things that closely

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<v Speaker 1>and the tools you would need to accomplish that goal,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be an nightmare. Yeah, yep, because they'd applied that

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<v Speaker 1>to a thousand other things.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, maybe I can buy that guy some hubcaps for

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<v Speaker 2>his van and just step it up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we all pitching? I get a bunch of I

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<v Speaker 2>do a gofund mean, we get him a rap so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a nice bright yellow. Maybe put a window

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<v Speaker 2>in there so it's not windowless.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, I'm just thinking, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>the job they're hiring for, oh boy ten you know, consultants,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe gig work instead full time just seems like a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want that to be your like your person

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<v Speaker 2>you know, defines your personality.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd hate to make my house payment that way. You

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<v Speaker 1>you know, then it's just different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a chore. Yeah, it's a hobby,

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<v Speaker 2>right exactly. But then you're professional. You get to call

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<v Speaker 2>yourself a professional.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a business. Cards printed and those out at the park,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a kid, and it made us happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, when I'd hear that ice cream drug siren going

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<v Speaker 2>through the neighborhood, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a big deal. Well, I guess that's it.