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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better dear hunting, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wire to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: This episode is dedicated to buying deer ground, which maybe

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Speaker 1: is more doable than you think. Listen, I know most

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Speaker 1: folks will never do it. Some because it's just a

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Speaker 1: financial impossibility, that's just life. Others because they believe it's

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Speaker 1: a financial impossibility, which is different. Others yet won't consider

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Speaker 1: it because they don't have to. If your grandma owns

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Speaker 1: five acres of prime ground and has promised to leave

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Speaker 1: it to you in the family, then it might not

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Speaker 1: be a smart idea to fork over some serious stough

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Speaker 1: for a little slice of deer heaven. Well, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways to look at this, and I

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Speaker 1: get that, but I want to detail my own journey

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Speaker 1: a little bit and then talk about the pros and

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Speaker 1: cons of considering a land purchase for yourself. I grew

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Speaker 1: up with a poor attitude and I fight it to

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Speaker 1: this day. By poor, I mean two different things. I

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Speaker 1: mean feeling like I'd never be rich, but also just

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Speaker 1: kind of a shitty attitude. If you have my genes,

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Speaker 1: and by the looks of it out there in social

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Speaker 1: media world, the genes that millions of us possess, it's

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Speaker 1: really easy to fall into a victim mentality, the kind

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Speaker 1: of mentality that just says life sucks because someone else

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Speaker 1: did something. But life really doesn't suck. It's pretty amazing,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't do any of us any good to

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Speaker 1: dwell on the success of others or own lack of success,

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Speaker 1: when the only things we can really control our daily decisions.

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Speaker 1: So that's my Tony Robbins pep talk for you, I guess, folks,

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Speaker 1: because I want to get into a topic that some

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Speaker 1: people want to hear and some won't. Land ownership. Now,

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Speaker 1: when I was about I don't know, seven or twenty

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Speaker 1: eight years old, one of my hunting buddies called me

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Speaker 1: up and told me he had just bought eighty acres

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Speaker 1: of land in Wisconsin. To me, that was about like

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Speaker 1: one of my friends telling me he just got drafted

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Speaker 1: by the Patriots to be their starting quarterback. It was

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Speaker 1: so far into the realm of never gonna happen that

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it had actually happened. Now I knew

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Speaker 1: nothing about the area where he bought his land, and

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Speaker 1: nothing about anything other than it was amazing that he

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Speaker 1: had just gone for it. I couldn't believe it. And

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Speaker 1: then a little while later after he bought it, I

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Speaker 1: met up with him at a roach motel in northern

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin to help him cut some rifle shooting lanes and

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Speaker 1: mostly just check out his new place. And it all

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Speaker 1: became much much clearer after walking his land for the

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Speaker 1: first time. The land is about half swamp, which means

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Speaker 1: it's about half useless. The other half is a mix

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Speaker 1: of high woods and some egg fields. That was much better,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't great. It also made a lot more

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Speaker 1: sense on how my buddy could afford it. And as

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Speaker 1: we worked away on his land so he'd be able

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Speaker 1: to shoot some swamp bucks with his rifle while hunting

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Speaker 1: with his dad and his brother, he kind of laid

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Speaker 1: out his plans. He had big ideas for planting tree

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Speaker 1: rows to screen the fields from the county road. He

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of apple trees. Will you hear a plan

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Speaker 1: like that, you can kind of conjure up images in

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Speaker 1: can't really see it now, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: fourteen years later. So some of the first trees he planted,

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Speaker 1: we've put tree stands in them. The deer obviously feel

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Speaker 1: it's by no means amazing. He's killed some big bucks there,

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Speaker 1: and so is his ad, but he's also killed a pilot,

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Speaker 1: little bucks, some bears, a bunch of grouse woodcocks, ducks,

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Speaker 1: for land up there as well. My budget was a

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Speaker 1: bad of timing as you could possibly imagine to spend

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Speaker 1: over to look at it. What I looked at that

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Speaker 1: realtor told me that a college kid had inherited it

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Speaker 1: That was in December, and if my little girls hadn't

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Speaker 1: decided to show up six weeks early, I probably would

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Speaker 1: but I didn't. I did have something on my own

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Speaker 1: I also had done something I never ever thought possible,

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Speaker 1: which was by my own dear ground. Since then I

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Speaker 1: found other small properties that were too good to pass up.

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Speaker 1: One I had to split with a buddy of mine

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Speaker 1: because it was closer to the cities and a little

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Speaker 1: more expensive, But after five years owning it, we sold

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Speaker 1: it for a really good profit. The other, which was

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Speaker 1: I bought a few years ago for twenty thousand bucks.

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Speaker 1: That property has a little kill plot on it, and

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Speaker 1: it's produced too dear for my little girls, just last

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Speaker 1: it's still pretty special to us. We've got some apple

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Speaker 1: try to maintain every year, and we got that small

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Speaker 1: What it really is now, what I've glossed over here

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Speaker 1: something that I really wrestled with when I was dying

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Speaker 1: as fast as possible. It was also a breakthrough moment

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Speaker 1: for me. I went from thinking that it was impossible

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Speaker 1: That didn't change the ark of my personal deer hunting

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Speaker 1: a whole lot, because none of my properties have ever

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Speaker 1: in so many other ways working on land. It's just fun,

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Speaker 1: it's rewarding, and I often don't give it enough credit.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge proponent of the process of being a

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Speaker 1: deer hunter, usually through the lens of being a public

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Speaker 1: I'm eight up with it. I'm biased toward it, and

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Speaker 1: I can get too preachy about it. I know that

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Speaker 1: that it's a hell of a lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: plant some trees, or till up half an acre in

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Speaker 1: which I think is the real secret to enjoying deer

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Speaker 1: hunting overall. The more effort you put in, the more

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Speaker 1: the greater the rewards. And no one has to do it.

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Speaker 1: But if you own land, you will be compelled to

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Speaker 1: do that. The whole thing hinges on an individual's ability

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Speaker 1: and desire to make it happen. I'll never forget a boss.

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Speaker 1: I had one time in a past life who told

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Speaker 1: a woman who was inquiring about having us cater and

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, you've got champagne tastes and a

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Speaker 1: beer pocketbook. She didn't like it, but he wasn't wrong. Now,

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Speaker 1: to work with that beer pocketbook and forget about those

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Speaker 1: champagne dreams. That might mean you're looking at a small

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Speaker 1: spot that isn't known for i don't know, high deer

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Speaker 1: densities and top end genetics. That's a deal breaker for some,

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Speaker 1: but shouldn't be for everyone. Buying land is often buying

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Speaker 1: peace of mind. If you're the title holder, you make

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Speaker 1: the rules, you do the habit at work. You want

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Speaker 1: to yourself, well, go nuts for doughnuts, my friends, it's yours.

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Speaker 1: Do what you want. If you want a place for

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Speaker 1: but you don't want to worry about hunting too close

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Speaker 1: to other people. Then you've got your spot. In all

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Speaker 1: of the things I've enjoyed since buying my first property,

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Speaker 1: that's the biggest. Last summer, I spent several weekends setting

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Speaker 1: catch some brook trout or maybe try to find a

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Speaker 1: ate a lot of junk food, We spoiled the dogs,

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Speaker 1: and we just got out in nature. When fall came around,

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Speaker 1: the season. I just took them hunting, and it was

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Speaker 1: so fun and so rewarding, and knowing that no one

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Speaker 1: was gonna legally anyway mess with our hunts that was huge.

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Speaker 1: It was huge for peace of mind. We just needed

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Speaker 1: to do our things correctly and then hope the deer

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Speaker 1: did their thing enough so that we could connect with

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Speaker 1: a few of them. And owning land also came with

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Speaker 1: a pretty big surprise for me. I almost never hunted myself.

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Speaker 1: I've killed a handful of deer on each of my properties,

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Speaker 1: but my buddies and my daughters have killed more. I

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Speaker 1: find myself saving my ground for someone else and going

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Speaker 1: to hunt public land for myself. And I know that beard,

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Speaker 1: but I just love having both options. Hell, I just

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Speaker 1: love having deer hunting options in general. That's why, just

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Speaker 1: Banks and credit unions do not want to own hunting

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Speaker 1: way beyond the scope of deer hunting or doing anything

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Speaker 1: good opportunities beyond your home state. That's why I love

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Speaker 1: must have some desire, however slight, to consider some day

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Speaker 1: my white tail loving friends. I'm Tony Peterson and this

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Speaker 1: has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast. As always,

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