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Speaker 1: Be Around with the NFL Podcast, Quarrant, Jeane more like

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Speaker 1: Core and Wheni's welcome to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. I'm Dan as Heroes here, Greg Rostal,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. I actually this is interesting. Okay. So this morning,

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Morning Money and I we do our Power Rankings

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Speaker 1: taping as we do every week. You can check that

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Speaker 1: out on NFL Network every Tuesday at three pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: noon Pacific. And after we finished taping, one of our producers,

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Speaker 1: the Great Matt Tanton, I believe it was rolled in

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Speaker 1: with a piece of paper and said, hey, we have

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Speaker 1: we have money tags to read for the A T

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Speaker 1: N show, and uh Money, who's been doing it? Now?

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Speaker 1: You know he's the voice of God of the show

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Speaker 1: for eight years, nine years, almost ten years without a

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Speaker 1: get to watch him record. Roughly, I'm gonna say fifty

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Speaker 1: money tags today including that one, and we got some

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Speaker 1: real bangers coming out. So thank you to everyone who

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Speaker 1: sends in money tags through Twitter and at Ricky Uh

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Speaker 1: good element of the show. How much do you think

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Speaker 1: we'd owe him over the course of the entire show.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's doing fifty at a time. Um, I

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Speaker 1: feel like we owe him thousands and thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 1: We probably do. But Money is I think sneaky rich

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Speaker 1: he has. He has like fourteen jobs. He's very smart financially.

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Speaker 1: Remember we haven't had a short lived bit on this

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Speaker 1: show where money talks money. Uh, and we used to

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Speaker 1: think is money though I don't know if it's I

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Speaker 1: has the most popular drivetime show in Los Angeles for

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Speaker 1: a decade or whatever it's been now. Uh, he's the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Rams. He's got a bunch of jobs here.

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Speaker 1: I do think are the charges. Wow, what a what

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Speaker 1: a mistake. That's the great JB. Long. By the way,

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Speaker 1: my friend who I'll be hanging out with summer Selstice,

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Speaker 1: just think of the exposure we've given. Uh. That's like

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Speaker 1: how they pay you know, you pay interns or whatever, like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, well, this will be great exposure you go

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Speaker 1: That's perfectly said, Greg, How would you know, uh, fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old guys in eastern Norway know about Matt money

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Speaker 1: Smith without our show, right like Petros of money big

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Speaker 1: by its nature. Anyway, welcome to the show, uh big

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Speaker 1: show coming up today. The wild Card round officially in

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Speaker 1: the books, kind of a dud. Let's let's be real

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Speaker 1: about it. The last chance we had was ram Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: We're all three of us were at the games with

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Speaker 1: me is we're do boys, that we're due for the

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Speaker 1: divisional round, which is always the best weekend of football

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Speaker 1: the year. To be an absolute haymaker of like Haymaker

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Speaker 1: teams that aren't real threats. We just got rid of

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Speaker 1: power ranks again, apologies, but I have the Rams is

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are not garbage humans. I don't know them personally.

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Speaker 1: Maybe some are, but overall not all garbage. However, the

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Speaker 1: roll with it. Yes, that was the nail and the

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Speaker 1: But just watching the way that game started, the Rams

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Speaker 1: they weren't the same, But that tells me a lot

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Speaker 1: more about who the Cardinals are in general. If you

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Speaker 1: coming back with this same offense next year? This concept,

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Speaker 1: time to really cash in on this guy, and he's

429
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Speaker 1: on his rookie deal still. I just I just that's

430
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: kind of to me a little bit predictable in the

431
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: sense that I kind of knew this is how it's

432
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: gonna play all the all the blame is gonna go

433
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: on the coach here and not he had a terrible game,

434
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: and the team was that by the end of the year.

435
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 1: It was a meeting. It was a poor team by

436
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: the end of the year. And I think what you're

437
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: saying is what basically everyone else is going to be

438
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: saying as well. And I just I don't know, there's

439
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: something about the nature of way this season ended that

440
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't be a little bit

441
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: nervous about Kyler based on how things ended. I mean,

442
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: he melted down last night. He did well. What about

443
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 1: Steve Kim who seems to escape all critique all the time.

444
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like this, the roster looked good at

445
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: one point this year, but I think last night was

446
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: the cap and the capstone of like, there's issues when

447
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: the when there were injuries, there's no one to fill in,

448
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: there's depth problems. I mean, I just I think he's

449
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job, Steve Kind, But he's part

450
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: of this soup too. I don't think anyone's blaming it's

451
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: you can't just blame the coach, the quarterback and then

452
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: no one else. This is a team that failed. I

453
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: mean J. J. Watt had it right, a massive failure.

454
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: My my thing is more sample size I really do

455
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: think the season and in the overall trajectory of a

456
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: career is more instructive than a game. Like Peyton Manning,

457
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 1: for instance, And I know he's I don't think he's

458
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna be Peyton Manning, but I think we've established he's

459
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: probably a top ten quarterback three years into his career,

460
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Speaker 1: which is incredible to find one of those Peyton Manning's

461
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: first three playoff games nine lost, seventeen for thirty two,

462
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: lost fourteen for thirty one, forty one to nothing loss.

463
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: Uh you know that. And and I know we didn't

464
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: have Twitter back then, and I know some quarterbacks play

465
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: well in the playoffs, But I just it was one

466
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: game on a bad Cardinals team. And it's crazy because

467
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: five weeks ago we might have said this was the

468
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: best team in the NFL, and over the last five

469
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: or six weeks they were like obviously a poor team,

470
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: which is great. It is crazy that I try to

471
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Speaker 1: I guess. I just my final thought on is I

472
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: tried to avoid these spicy takes that you would maybe

473
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: see on certain talking head shows. Um, I don't know.

474
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: I just gotta maybe it was being at the game.

475
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Maybe Zumwalt in my orbit, maybe this, maybe that, but

476
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: we'll see, well, we'll see where they are this time

477
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: next year. Um. But Kingsbury obviously is a part of

478
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: this conversation. He's it's a big part. Um. All right,

479
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: that is the wild card round, but we have so

480
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: much more to get it right after this. All right,

481
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: welcome back. It is time for a guest and listen.

482
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: Like the rest of the world, we are caught up

483
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: in Bengals fever. We want to get closer to this

484
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: team that's become in a lot of ways, America's sweetheart here,

485
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: so we brought on a big gun. He's senior writer

486
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: and podcast host covering the Cincinnati Bengals and more for

487
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: the Athletic. Once was dubbed the man who sets social

488
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: media on fire. I don't know if he got any

489
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: of the New York Times money connected to the Athletic.

490
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: That's not That's a question that will come. It's pronounced Danner,

491
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: don't you forget it. Paul Danner Junior. Welcome to be

492
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast. What's up? Thanks for having me,

493
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: young guys. All right, so, Paul, you have been covering

494
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: the Bengals for a decade, so you're kind of like,

495
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: as the rest of us are trying to come to

496
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: terms of the world in which Cincinnati is producing the

497
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: most exciting football team in the country, what's it been

498
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: like for you as someone that's covered the team so

499
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: closely and been through the highs and lows, mostly lows.

500
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of, as people got to witness

501
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, become as much as it's about Joe

502
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: Burrow and it's about the turnaround, it's about the excitement

503
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: of the team Saturday night, and it was the culmination

504
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: of a season that in many ways has been about

505
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: this city. Uh. That has been, as everybody heard by now,

506
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: thirty one years without a playoff win. But it wasn't

507
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: just that they had been thirty one years without a

508
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: playoff winn. It's that they had all been heartbreaking in

509
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: the fashion in which they had gone down. You guys

510
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: are familiar with that. I miss West because I always

511
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: loved talking to him about the Bengals and his angst

512
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: over how things had gone down. Every time I would

513
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: see him, and he would get so fired up about it. Uh.

514
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: And and so you guys know, I mean, those that

515
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: follow the Bengals know like that the city is so

516
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: hung up and and frustrated by this like black cloud

517
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: that hung over them because no matter what they did well,

518
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: how many good draft classes they turned out, how many

519
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 1: big regular season games they won, how many shrewd moves

520
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: they made, it was always invalidated by the last line

521
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: of yeah, but you didn't win a playoff game every

522
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: single time. And so for that to be gone to

523
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: no longer have to discuss the nineties Bengals, or the

524
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: meltdown at Paul Brown or any of the Carson Palmer's

525
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: injury and chemo v on Olhapa, to never have to

526
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: discuss that again and just talk about the future. And

527
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow has been a game changing not just night,

528
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: but season for the city. And now they can all

529
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: it can be about them. Now it can be about

530
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: that team that is so exciting to watch on the field. Yeah,

531
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: when Zach Taylor said every one can take a deep breath,

532
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: I almost thought, man, this is Zach Taylor again. You know,

533
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: play being almost a little tight in the moment, I

534
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: thought in terms of how he coached the second half

535
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: of that game, and that the whole point of it

536
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: isn't to get over relief. But it seems like he

537
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: actually had a pretty good finger on the pulse of

538
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: the city and that's where he was getting at. It

539
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: was just seeing him and Burrow back to back, with

540
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Burrow with the tinted shades kind of being like, I

541
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: expected to do this quicker than we did. This is nothing,

542
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: let's go on. That's a big dichotomy. But you spoke

543
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: about the fans, so I just wanted to follow on

544
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: that because it seems like the fans are incredibly confident,

545
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: and I'm including the Westling Brothers in that, of which

546
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: you could be one just the looks, you know, with

547
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: the facial hair and the shaved head, you could be

548
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: a Westling brother. It almost feels like this this Bengals fandom, though,

549
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: has gone the complete other direction where they're expecting them

550
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl. There's a lot of

551
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: confidence with this team right now. Oh there is. I

552
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: would like to say, bald is the new hair. By

553
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: the way, it's the end, so don't believe and forget

554
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: about that. But the thing is, you know, it is

555
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: amazing in the lead up to that game, a city

556
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: that was so scarred, a fan base so scarred to

557
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: expect the other shoe to drop didn't have that at all,

558
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: and I suspect, is this city suppressing its emotions. I've

559
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: done that before when I suspect something bad, I'm feeling

560
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: something bad inside. I just talk over it with optimism

561
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. It felt like that was happening because

562
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: they didn't want to think about the idea. But also

563
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: I think the city the same way. The team follows

564
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's lead, and he just changes everything. You know,

565
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: you talked about him downplaying it afterwards. I mean he's

566
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: basically partially that's him. I mean, that's who that guy is.

567
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: He is the type of guy that is very calm

568
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: and and he's gonna be always thinking about bigger things.

569
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: But he also I talked to a bunch of people

570
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: about what is the IT factor? What has that tangibly

571
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: looked like? And the line that always stuck out to

572
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: me from that was he just has this innate feel

573
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: for human dynamics and human interaction and what people need,

574
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: what every person needs, and how that's different. And when

575
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: somebody needs a pout on the back, some one needs confidence,

576
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: someone needs a stern look, whatever that is. He knows

577
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: that this the team needed to settle down and understand

578
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: that this was not a big deal, and he was

579
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: trying to project that out to the team in the

580
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: same way, this is not a big deal, you know,

581
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: this is the expectation. This is what we're gonna be.

582
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: He called it today the bare minimum going forward, that

583
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: they'll win playoff games every year, and I think everybody

584
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of looked at it and said, yeah, I think

585
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: I believe that guy. I think he's right. I think

586
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: it is the bare minimum here going forward. Well, I

587
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: love what you say about his leadership. And you know,

588
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Browns fan, and a year ago I was

589
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: sitting in this place thinking where the team from Ohio

590
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: that wiped away all these terrible talks about the last

591
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: time we want a playoff game with Bill Belichick beating

592
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels and then early nineties when I was in college.

593
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Now it's the Bengals, and I think that their star

594
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: seems to be so much higher. I mean, one of

595
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the reasons that West dropped the Bengals, the primary reason

596
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: that I thought it was was ownership. It was the

597
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: way the team was run that, like you know, every

598
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: other team in the league is dug in on a

599
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: re scouting services. The Bengals are doing something from forty

600
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: two years ago, like they were not active in free agency,

601
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: but now they are. The team is building their drafting. Well,

602
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: you look at this roster, you look at the quarterback.

603
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that ownership at this point is in

604
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: the deep distance that the way the Bengals can operate

605
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: to have the bare minimum be playoffs every year? The

606
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: thing that annoyed West would he look at this team

607
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: differently and say, I'm not so concerned about how it's

608
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: run because this is a rocket ship just taking off

609
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: at this point. I think so. I mean, Joe Burrow

610
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: covers a lot of franchise warts Organization awards and he's

611
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: done that. Um that said, they have performed off the

612
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: field differently in the last few years. I mean, you

613
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: can't look at their last two off seasons and say

614
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: that they've looked like the same old Bengals. When you

615
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: look at the amount of money they spent in free agency,

616
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of times that can be you're okay,

617
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: free agency, I'm gonna flush about half of that down

618
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: the toilet, but hopefully the other half turns out good.

619
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: The Bengals hit on almost every free agency move that

620
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: they made, this off season and some that were very controversial,

621
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: and then they hit on the most controversial maybe pick

622
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: of the entire draft, at least most talked about, uh

623
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: leading up to it, between Jamar Chase versus and a

624
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: school and what that has turned out to be for them,

625
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: And and you have seen a different feel and now

626
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: you have players that love being here and they love

627
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: every aspect of it, and I think ownership has skewed younger.

628
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: They've brought into Blackburn's uh you know your Katy and

629
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Troy Blackburn have even brought in their daughters now who

630
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: are involved and have played a big role in reconnecting

631
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: with the fan base. It's been a two year journey

632
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: for them to try to do that. They've done new uniforms,

633
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: they've done Ring of Honor, They've made a huge push

634
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: that a ton of money on their social media and

635
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: on improving their game day experience, all things that they

636
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: deservedly were ripped for forever. Um how a practice that

637
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: it's come, They've come a really long way. Um, you know,

638
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I wish and I hope he is maybe somewhere listening

639
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: to all that, because that was kind of gonna be

640
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: my follow up question, Like what tangible steps were taken

641
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: to change an operation that felt like it was stuck

642
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: in the dark ages. And I guess getting younger, different

643
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: voices in there has has made a big difference. And

644
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: and Zach Taylor is another guy. Wanted to ask you

645
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: about Paul because, um, you know, he was something of

646
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: an unknown entering this year even though he had been

647
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: there two years. We weren't seeing a lot of growth. Obviously,

648
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: the Borough injury was a killer last year in terms

649
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: of the development of the team. And I really like this,

650
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: your colleague Mike Sando, the Cook Index, which is by

651
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: the way, great name, great hook, where you actually can

652
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: statistically see how a switch got flipped with Taylor and

653
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: this offense and how they became more aggressive starting with

654
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: that bad overtime loss of the Niners where they marched

655
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: down the field and then kind of got cute and

656
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: ran it twice and then failed on third down and

657
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: and he said he lost sleep about And you wrote

658
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: about this, and check out all Paul stuff on the

659
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Athletic And it's not like lip service or or beat

660
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: writers looking for something to a narrative to craft. It's

661
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: there in the pudding. They completely changed the way they

662
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: ran their offense. Yeah, and it wasn't even as much

663
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: about what happened in overtime, which was part of it.

664
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: It was watching what Joe Burrow was in the fourth

665
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: quarter and overtime of that game. He was that next level,

666
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: truly elite guy. And part of that went back to

667
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: they finally felt really comfortable with his pocket presence, pocket movement,

668
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: and his confidence back there. People don't realize me. Yes,

669
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: he's been playing all year, but he still had to

670
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: mentally been working through the knee injury as the year

671
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: has gone along. I mean, when you remember when he

672
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: came out of l s U, his pocket presence back

673
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: there was his superpower. It's it's it's what separated him.

674
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: And he wasn't able to really totally be that guy

675
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: throughout the first half of the season. So they protected him.

676
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: They had a blind that wasn't great, so they protected

677
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: him with a game that was They had very run

678
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: heavy game plans. They knew they could still win that way.

679
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: They had enough guys, Joe Mixon, whatever they could, their

680
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: defense was playing good, they could win that way well.

681
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: As it went by, and particularly at the end of

682
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: that San Francisco get, you saw Okay, Burrow is all

683
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: the way back and he is playing lights out. Let's

684
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: lean into this. And they didn't just lean, they lean

685
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: all the way and opened it up and and and

686
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: that's early in games, really getting after people throwing the ball.

687
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: And what happened. I mean, Baltimore, Kansas City, you saw it.

688
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: Even early. They get up by letting Burrow throw it,

689
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: and they play from a head. They've played from a head,

690
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: and all of these four games in a row that

691
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: they've won is he's kind of been on this heater.

692
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: And that's a big part of just saying just go

693
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: all the way in on on realizing that Burrow is

694
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna be the reason that we get there. Yeah, I

695
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: know the line isn't great, but he can overcome that.

696
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: He's proving right now he can overcome that. Paul, I

697
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: have a question for you, because, like you know, this

698
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: is all wonderful news, very sunny, we're all enjoying the journey,

699
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: but um, you know, like the average beat writer, I mean,

700
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: typically the games, the travel, you know, the endless stories

701
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: would have ended for you about two weeks ago. Is

702
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: it slightly annoying on some level that if they go

703
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: on for another three or four weeks. You're just taking

704
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: it work wise. Question, you gotta answer there is no doubt.

705
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I used to say, because remember I covered

706
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: this team from the eleven through fifteen run, where I

707
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: had the perfect job because the team was relevant and interesting.

708
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: I got to talk about the postseason instead of talking

709
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: about the draft in December, and then they lost and

710
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I was immediately off to my offsets. They took the

711
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: first exit out of the playoffs. It was the perfect

712
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: set up. And now here I am wondering, like, am

713
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: I gonna be working into February with this? So but

714
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: you know what the way it goes now though full season,

715
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: it's like the the cycle doesn't end. If it ended,

716
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: if they would have been out, and I'd be doing

717
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: mock drafts and everything else. So what does it matter anymore? Right,

718
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: It's like it's like those Patriots reporters over the years,

719
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Mike Greece and Tom Current, they like put in three

720
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: extra seasons compared to most writers. Very quickly, because I know,

721
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna have to let you go. I

722
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: do just want to get a little bit of a

723
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: look at this game and what you think are the

724
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: concerns because i'd be. I'm concerned now that I'm kind

725
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: of rooting for the Bengals, the line play on both sides,

726
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: and the coaching. Frankly, so that's three things, but especially

727
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: the coaching matchup, but the line play on both sides,

728
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: with the injuries on the defensive line and just generally

729
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: Matt matching up that offensive line against Tennessee's front, Like,

730
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: how do you think the Bengals can overcome that deficiency?

731
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Because to me, it does not. That part of the

732
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: game looks like a pretty big mismatch. Yeah, I would agree.

733
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the trenches is gonna always gonna

734
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: be this team's issue when they reached the highest levels.

735
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they can overcome that with their weapons against

736
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: teams that that aren't as dynamic on the interior. But

737
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, from practice today, they look like they're not

738
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: anywhere near as bad as shape as we thought they

739
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: would be. On the defensive line. They did lose Larry

740
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Ogunjobi for the year. You know, Mike Daniels on the

741
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: practice squad all year, and he heard his growing earlier

742
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: in the game. So it's not a huge deal. Um

743
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: that Trey Hendrickson looks like he's probably trending in the

744
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: right direction. That's massive. Um Josh Tupo, who was a

745
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: really nice situational defensive tackle they have, is gonna be

746
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: able to step in. It looks like probably that helps

747
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: lessen the blow because b J. Hill has played pretty

748
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: well and Ogan jovis as a rotation guy. So I

749
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: don't think they're as beset on the defensive line as

750
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: you thought. And you know, they were team that was

751
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: pretty good against the run this year, so they've always

752
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of felt that was maybe one of the strengths

753
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: of themselves defensively. I think you can point to that.

754
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: On the other side, you know, they've just struggled against

755
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: teams that have really dynamic interior pass rushers, as you know,

756
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: because they're just not good enough there and so Simmons

757
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: is a nightmare scenario for you, and you just gotta

758
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: find ways to try to take them out. I felt

759
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: like they've done a decent job playing in this division,

760
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: getting practiced at it, dealing with teams with great edge

761
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: rushers Miles Garrett, T. J. Watt they found and then

762
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: Crosby again last week, found ways that those guys maybe

763
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: they win a bunch, but they don't kill you. But

764
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: what what does seem to hurt them is when they

765
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: have the guys in the interior, they don't really seem

766
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: to have a ton of answers there. So Simmons certainly

767
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: scares you more than anything. But then you say, I

768
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: don't know, you got burrow and it's sort of like

769
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: the heard every single question with this team right now. Well,

770
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Paul, and thank you for joining us, buddy,

771
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: and follow Paul on the athletic throughout this whole journey,

772
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: both throughout the season and then into the off season.

773
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: If the Bengals do knock off the number one seed

774
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: Titans on Saturday, I think they become the biggest story

775
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: in football, and then that's pretty good place to be

776
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: as a beat writer, I would imagine, especially when you've

777
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: been in the darkness, like when a certain linebacker ran

778
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: into a tunnel when he thought a game was over

779
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: and it wasn't over. Those days are gone. If you

780
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: want me to come back and tell Vontes perfect stories

781
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: for a while, I will do that, but you might

782
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: want to I don't know. We're good on censorship, because

783
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: that sounds like an awesome offseason podcast to be honest

784
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: with you. It's just like the memoirs of Vontes. All right,

785
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: thank you, Paul, appreciate it, and good luck the rest

786
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: of the way. Thanks guys. Thanks there goes Paul. And

787
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Ricky, that is one of those

788
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: uh guess where it's like, all right, you put him

789
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: in the Good Journey on a list. He's on the list.

790
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: We got a Cincinnati guist. I interrupted Dan saying he

791
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: was good. So I think we all agree that that,

792
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: you know, and he does feel like the I'm sure

793
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: that the Wesleyans. There are probably other Wesley brothers out there.

794
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: They had so many kids you can't keep track of

795
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: all of them. Maybe he is a Westley brother. We

796
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: just we don't know that. Well, there's also some conspiracy

797
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: theories that some of them aren't Westling brothers. But that's

798
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's again for an offseason podcast. It is

799
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: telling to me that, you know what, west was so

800
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: out there about not being a Bengals fan. But I

801
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he's having in depth conversations with every

802
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: team's beat writer, you know what I mean. So, I

803
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: mean he was with some to be fair, To be fair,

804
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: he was with with some, but he was. He was

805
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: tracking the Bengals much closer than than most teams, you

806
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: know what. And and Greg, you and I were texting

807
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: him a little bit about West yesterday and how you

808
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: feel his absence always but certainly and certain shows playoff time,

809
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: of course, and I was just thinking myself now, um,

810
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: as Paul was explaining the changes that the Bengals made,

811
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: I wonder what West would have thought about that, having

812
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: that insight from someone who has ear to the ground there.

813
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: But it's certainly it can't it can't be from futility

814
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: and poor decision making too all of a sudden, the

815
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: operation running smoothly without changes happening behind the scenes. So

816
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: but you know, at the same time, I think it's

817
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: important to point out that the quarterback can change everything.

818
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: Because the Cincinnati, for all the the Brown family distrust Uh,

819
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: they were going to the playoffs every year, they just

820
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: didn't have a truly dynamic guy out front. And now

821
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: they do. And that's I mean, a Patriots fan like you,

822
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: Greg knows better than anyone it changes everything. I did

823
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: not hear a single word that you just said. You

824
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: and Greg are having separate uh text conversations with me.

825
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: Not involved about things that matter to us. What's what's

826
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: the dynamic here? Why is that occurring? Greg? You want

827
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: to take this one? No, I don't know. It's better

828
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: just leave it hanging, leave it open. Well it is.

829
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: It is left out there hanging, and I will I'll

830
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: think about it, you know, roughly twelve times a second

831
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: for the next two or three days. All right, let's

832
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: I love that. Let's take a break and we'll hit

833
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: some news. All right, welcome back. Before we get to

834
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: some iTunes listener feedback, let's hit a little bit of

835
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: a league news as the personnel carousel that popped in

836
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: my head while I was sitting in the section at

837
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: so Fi Stadium yesterday. Personnel carousel not bad, that's that's

838
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: what you're thinking about it live at the game. I like,

839
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: it just happened. It just popped in there. You can't

840
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: control that. Yeah, when you're when you're an artist, like

841
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: a real artist, like when the inspiration comes, you just

842
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: have to be open to it. I consider that that's

843
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: like part of your job. Just like I had some

844
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: up with me and I just got up in a

845
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: panic and just like sprint it away. And he just

846
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: nodded his had, and he's like, that's an artist at work.

847
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, some ald at that point is just in

848
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: a fetal position, so he's accepting any artistry that will

849
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: come his way. I mean that was an apocalyptic evening,

850
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: all right. So well, yes, as I said, personnel carousel,

851
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock will not be returning to the Las Vegas

852
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: Raiders in the capacity of general manager. The team informed

853
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Mayok that they would not be signing to another contract.

854
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: I think his contract was up. I think that was

855
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: so I'm seeing it's fired. It's a little different when

856
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: you just you move. That's kind of like we parted

857
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: ways anyway. That doesn't matter career record and twenty four

858
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: uh in Mayok seasons with the team, their first playoff

859
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: appearance since two thousand sixteen and their only playoff appearance

860
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: since two thousand two whether the storm numerous on and

861
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: off the field contract verses. Remember may I remember how

862
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: mad Mayock was on hard knocks when Antonio Brown froze

863
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: his feet in the cryogenic chamber. Sounds like a long

864
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: time ago, but yeah, then you know the Henry Ruggs

865
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: tragedy earlier this year. Of course, the John Gruden situation

866
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: and his resignation after the offensive emails came to light

867
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: and Greg, I guess, first of all, sorry about your

868
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: bad luck, Rich Pisaccia, because I think the one chance

869
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: that he had to keep the head coach job was

870
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: probably Mike Mayock sticking around. But uh, it almost feels

871
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: like once Gruden got shipped out of town here. Uh,

872
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: it meant that the whole thing was getting blown out, really,

873
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: regardless of how the season turned out, which was kind

874
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: of successful, right they if this wasn't enough to keep

875
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: Macmayock's job or Rich Pisaccia's, and I think Posaccia has

876
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: a fraction of a chance to to get that job.

877
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: You never know, uh that nothing, nothing would have And

878
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. You think about Mayak, who's you know, in

879
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: his early sixties, coming from television. You know, he started

880
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: that late, coming up like that. He knew this was

881
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: his one chance. He was obviously appreciating this one chance.

882
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: And he had a mixed record over the three years.

883
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: Wasn't good in terms of the first round picks. Was

884
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: quite good if you look at some of the guys

885
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: that they got later in the draft, and even some

886
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: of the moves this year, like picking up Casey Hayward,

887
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: and and in gock Way and Crosby turns into this

888
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: great guy. It was a mixed bag at best for

889
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: Mayock overall. But if you're him, you're also thinking John

890
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: Gruden um screwed me over. He added Mike Mayock to

891
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: the innumerable people that debt John Gruden ultimately let down

892
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: because if if they made the playoffs with John Gruden,

893
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I tend to think Mike Mayox probably back in that

894
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: same role next year, but it didn't work out the

895
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: way I mean. I'd also add that when you look

896
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: at the draft history of Mike Mayock and and look,

897
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: it's obviously spotty. He had thirteen picks in the top one.

898
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: Two of them are probably viable players on the roster

899
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: right now. But a lot of those picks were Gruden's picks,

900
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: or at least heavily influenced by Gruden. It wasn't like

901
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock wasn't a separate personnel department giving the coaches players.

902
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's always collaboration, but there are a lot

903
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: of Gruden picks in there that Gruden is not held

904
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: accountable for right now. I kind of just feel like

905
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: they inherited a huge mess. And this team this year

906
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: was imperfect. We all see that, and they've they've they've

907
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: all every GM is gonna miss here and there on picks,

908
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: and maybe they're maybe Mayock's record was, you know, lower

909
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: than some, but they created a playoff team, and I

910
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: kind of just feel it's unfortunate and and just the

911
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: way the job goes. I'm so with you, Greg that

912
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: it had Gruden tugged them into the playoffs and all

913
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: that had not happened, Mack would still be here because

914
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: he's done a pretty good job of adding talent compared

915
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: to where they started. I just I find it to

916
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: be kind of just like the hazard of the job

917
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: of a GM. Well, it's tricky because again, as we

918
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: were told old that it was nine in terms of

919
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: control of the team, the personnel, Gruden fifty one, may

920
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: forty nine. So at the same time, when you when

921
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: you say that, you know you can't you ding Mayok

922
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: for all the bad moves they made in the first round,

923
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: and there were many, you also can't fully say it

924
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: was all Mayok that ended up landing some of these

925
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: later round picks that turned into really quality starters. Um

926
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: And was another one this year Diablo looked pretty good.

927
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: They brought in Darren Waller during Mike Max the slot

928
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: receiver that Greg was very slow to come around on.

929
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: That was the worst evaluation I've ever made it on

930
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: this show in my life. You did that because of

931
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: his hairline and I and I won't think it could

932
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: be anything else. But um, I think in a lot

933
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: of ways, yes, the raiders were imperfect, but the job

934
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: opportunity was imperfect for Mac. But you understand why he

935
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: ultimately jumped to it. He's sixty three now, he was

936
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: sixty years old. He was the King of Draft Mountain

937
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: on NFL Network and do a great job with that.

938
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: And he had this opportunity to join Gruden and go

939
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: for a ride and and he took it. But I

940
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: think ultimately, when you're a personnel guy, you kind of

941
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: want to have control of the ship and not being

942
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: that type of situation, especially as someone that's kind of uh,

943
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to say volcanic, but someone with an

944
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: ego the size of John Gruden's that seems always seemed

945
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: like a very tough situation to be involved with. So

946
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: I wonder if, if may I if he doesn't want

947
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to stay on this side of the sport, if he

948
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: looks for a situation where he could actually have more, say,

949
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gets a big chair, a

950
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: GM chair again, but if he tries to take this

951
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: from a different angle, I think that was a unique opportunity.

952
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's kind of come up again.

953
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he he couldn't possibly get a personnel job

954
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: somewhere in the league, not as as the top guy,

955
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: if he wanted to go that route. But yeah, I

956
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: feel like we've been kind of yeah, burying the You're

957
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: at least not talking about the elephant in the room,

958
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 1: which is what does this mean for Daniel Jeremiah, Because

959
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's what I thought immediately upon this

960
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: new And you know, he is the smiling assassin. Uh

961
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: he is Jeremiah, guy that will pat you on the

962
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: back as he ripped your heart out. Um, so you know,

963
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: the first thing he did probably was text Mike and

964
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: you know, uh, say hey, sorry about how things play out,

965
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: you're the best and all that. But at the same time,

966
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure his second call was probably the head of

967
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: NFL Network and basically said back off, don't even think

968
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: about bringing this guy back. In the building because this

969
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: is my world. Now, I I'm prom king, I am

970
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: prom slight projection, a slight projection, and we don't know

971
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: that that's how this played out. I actually heard it.

972
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, he walked by a conference room and I

973
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: can't say it was definitely moved the sticks speaking to

974
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: the highest of the Shadowy League figures and you actually

975
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: could hear I'm prom king. Now, was that Jeremiah? I

976
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: can't say for sure, but it definitely had the tone.

977
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be a lot of people that

978
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: a film network based on. We know about a lot

979
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: of people at NFL network, so yeah, but he he

980
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: fits the profile. I also wonder what it what it

981
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: means for Derek Carr because at this point, like where

982
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: is the where is the overwhelming interest from Mark Davis

983
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: to sign Derek car to a five year extension? And

984
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we already know for me and

985
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Rappaport and reporting in general, it's gonna the environment's gonna

986
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: change so much, new general manager, new coach. What are

987
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: we promising them if you're Mark Davis, what what power

988
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: do they have? And where does it leave Derek Carr?

989
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like I wouldn't move on

990
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: from Derek Carr because what it's move on to what.

991
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: But there seems to be trepidation to just hand him

992
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: a big money extension. There's just no there's no wording

993
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: around it, there's no whispers. Well, I thought Ian's report,

994
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, parsing, it was really interesting that he said

995
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: it would be a mutual thing, and he did make

996
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: it clear that the contract was a big part of it,

997
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that Car wants more money. He hopes Pasaccio is there.

998
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: But Car has been arguably one one of the most

999
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: underpaid quarterbacks that when he signed his deal, it was

1000
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: top of the market. People thought they got paid too much.

1001
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: But it's gotten to the point where he's quarterback in

1002
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: the league, has one year left on it. This is

1003
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: that off season where it's kind of, you know, you

1004
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: make a decision on Derek Carr or not. So the

1005
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: timing of it is interesting, and I think Car will

1006
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: push to get more money and to get some commitment

1007
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: to not be you know, floating in the wind this offseason,

1008
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: and maybe the new coach whoever they hire like loves

1009
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. I feel like that's a very realistic possibility

1010
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: that they're like, Hey, we can win with this dude.

1011
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: Let's give him the money and Mark Davis goes along

1012
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: with that. We'll have plenty of time to speculate. But

1013
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: just for fun, I can't I can't stop thinking about

1014
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: how the Steelers are going to make a move. Derek

1015
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: Carr in a Steelers uniform. Actually it kind of works.

1016
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: It kind of works somewhere and the Raiders and I

1017
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: think would like him. I think he he kind of

1018
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: matches what they're looking for. Uh. And at the same time,

1019
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: the Raiders now that they're gonna bring in a new

1020
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: uh team builder and most likely a new head coach. Uh,

1021
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: do you want to start building with a thirty year

1022
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: old quarterback or your own guy that you developed. There's

1023
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: something here, because there has to be somebody that shakes

1024
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: loose to move the quarterback market. And if it's not

1025
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna be Russell Wilson, maybe it's Derek Carr. I got

1026
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: another one for you. I mean, I I think we

1027
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: can't identify an owner who's more steamed at his quarterback

1028
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: right now, uh than Jim Mercy on the reliance of course,

1029
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: Carson wentz, what about Derek Carr teaming with Frank Reich.

1030
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: They're both very religious men. I think they see the

1031
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: world the same way. Um he I think he could

1032
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: maximize Carson. I don't know, Yeah, but that's I'm just

1033
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: saying that it's he's not bringing you're not bringing in

1034
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: some sort of like rebel from the countryside. I think

1035
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is amenable to, you know, coaching, and on

1036
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: top of it, like Frank Reich, for all his skills,

1037
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: has been lodged with three different starting quarterbacks over three

1038
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: years since I Andrew Luck vanished into the mist. I mean,

1039
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: they would love to get someone like Derek Carr they

1040
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: can sign for you know, the next five years and

1041
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: actually have consistency under center. I mean, Steelers fans, especially

1042
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: older Steelers fans, have had a out of great things

1043
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: in their lifetime. So it's not like they don't deserve

1044
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: a little time rolling around in the bud with the

1045
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: rest of us. But even even the Steelers don't deserve

1046
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: late period big Ben into Carson Wentz, musical chairs turned down,

1047
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: or to Mason Rudolph. I mean, the Athletic wrote that

1048
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: all signs point to Rudolph getting a chance, to which

1049
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: I say, I don't believe that, right Hill until player

1050
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: X becomes available with they know behind the scenes, I

1051
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. It was more it was

1052
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: more like that would be the most evil thing to

1053
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: happen to Steelers Jan's and yet I don't believe it.

1054
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin in his press conference today said Haskins and

1055
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Rudolf I put themselves in position to compete, while also saying,

1056
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: you know it would be really great is having an

1057
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: athletic quarterback, having a quarterback that move Mason Rudolf not

1058
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: exactly the first guy or Dwayne Haskins that springs to

1059
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: mind when you think athletic quarterback. Actually I have Mason.

1060
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: I have Ben Roethlisberg on the line right now. Hey Ben,

1061
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: what do you think about either Mason Rudolph or Dwayne

1062
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: Haskins as the QB one come week one? Very limited

1063
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Speaker 1: vocabulary from a big ben from what we know. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's that. Before we close, Ricky had a good idea.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've checked in on the

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Speaker 1: iTunes comments. Everybody, It's very important in this podcast game,

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Speaker 1: UH for the shows to show growth and build UH

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Speaker 1: juice within the industry. To bang those five stars on iTunes.

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Speaker 1: Leave comments, it really does matter. It's weird the metrics game,

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Speaker 1: uh in our podcast world, and it matters. So if

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Speaker 1: you could do that, if you could do us a

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Speaker 1: favor and leave a comment about the show, uh positive negative,

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Speaker 1: We don't really care now, flood them. Flood them positive

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Speaker 1: right now. If you've made it this far in the show,

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Speaker 1: you better be positive. We need truthful, We need a

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Speaker 1: few um positives. All right. Well that's that's foreboding, all right, Ricky,

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Speaker 1: you uh, the boys here, we have not seen anything

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Speaker 1: that on this side of things. With the comments. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna pull some out and read to us. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: start with you want to start with a good one

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Speaker 1: or bad one, guys, whatever Ricky wants. Alright, you're the captain.

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Speaker 1: I pulled a bunch here. So this first one is

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Speaker 1: love it five stars from cyclone seven to one listening

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Speaker 1: to going to sleep favorite pod. Okay, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a backhanded company five stars. We don't. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can say what you want. We're like that a big

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Speaker 1: throw pillow that you used, like to rest your aching

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Speaker 1: hip at night. Absolutely like the pregnant you know, the

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Speaker 1: pregnant woman's pillow where it's curved like a like a

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Speaker 1: soft Yeah, I want one of those. I mean I

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Speaker 1: was using pregnant woman. Yeah, I'm a pregnant woman right now. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The show that made Me love football five stars Ethan

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Speaker 1: Osborne Twine. I've listened to the show since the first

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Speaker 1: episode when I was thirteen, and I'm still here for

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Speaker 1: the heroes Miss West. Every listen, but still feel like

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Speaker 1: the A t N crew are a part of my life.

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Speaker 1: Might have to lock it up as the best football podcast. Nay,

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Speaker 1: best podcast. Good comment, that's crazy. We've taken him from

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Speaker 1: middle school into almost college graduation. I never thought. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's one of the great blessings that we're on

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Speaker 1: one of those shows that people use to mark time

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Speaker 1: and in the march of time and and a ceaseless

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Speaker 1: march that will end with marking the ground. He's run

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Speaker 1: it as a virgin, and that's probably not the case

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Speaker 1: now well hopefully. Um this one goodbye one star from

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Speaker 1: Mad King Slayer and the comment just says I've heard enough?

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Speaker 1: Did that say, Mega King Slayer? This one true football

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Speaker 1: nerds from hair Tie with a bunch of numbers. Five stars.

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Speaker 1: Are they thirteen year old in their parents basements talking

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Speaker 1: about football or are they grown men in a podcast

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00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: studio importing football wisdom to the masses. Either way, they

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Speaker 1: are fantastic. The knowledge these men hold for the game

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Speaker 1: of football is only the second reason I listened to

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Speaker 1: the show. The first is their chemistry. They're like the

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Speaker 1: Beatles of football podcasts. Of course, web West's absence has

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Speaker 1: felt but the way these three keep his legacy alive

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: is powerful. Shout out to my girl Erica too, who

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Speaker 1: is a pioneer for so many. You are the star

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Speaker 1: that keeps this thing shining. A millennial female listener, Alright,

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Speaker 1: I like that. The only probably with the we Gotta Go.

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Speaker 1: But the only thing that the Beatles thing was always

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Speaker 1: tricky because that means someone's Ringo. Yeah, and then it

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Speaker 1: just gets a little Although I think the idea of

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Speaker 1: chemistry over knowledge, though, is an apt to one knowledge

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Speaker 1: maybe not like the first thing that you need from

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Speaker 1: from some owners. And by the way, if you watch that,

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Speaker 1: let it be documentary on Hulu. Like Ringo Sneaky the

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Speaker 1: coolest beetle, So maybe it's all right, Mark, you can

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Speaker 1: still I am not Ringo, first of all, suck it,

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Speaker 1: but like he's still alive. I'll give him that all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, we gotta go. Thank you everybody for listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday with a preview of all

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Speaker 1: the games to come, uh in the Divisional Round pound

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Speaker 1: for pound, the best round of football all season. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening, and remember heed the call.