Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: Alvarez here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are here
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Speaker 1: three Pacific six Eastern Monday here on the show. You
Speaker 1: know that means we'll talk about Ron everything after a while.
Speaker 1: But obviously we've got some very big stories from this
Speaker 1: past weekend and a lot of news that is not
Speaker 1: good news. Scott Hall will be taken off life support
Speaker 1: once his family is in place, Kevin Nash wrote on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Life support will be removed for Scott Hall, who suffered
Speaker 1: three heart attacks on Saturday following complications from the hip surgery.
Speaker 1: Scott's on life support. Nash wrote, once his family is
Speaker 1: in place, they will discontinue support. I'm gonna lose the
Speaker 1: one person on this planet I've spent more of my
Speaker 1: life with than anybody else. My heart is broken and
Speaker 1: I am so he said. I love Scott with all
Speaker 1: my heart and now I have to prepare my for
Speaker 1: a life without him. In the present. I have been
Speaker 1: blessed to have a friend that took me at face
Speaker 1: value and I him. Hall has been in the hospital
Speaker 1: since March one after suffering a broken hip that required surgery.
Speaker 1: Complications started when a blood clot became loose. Obviously, Hall
Speaker 1: is best known for his running w w E s
Speaker 1: raised Ramon later in w c W as a founding
Speaker 1: member of the n w OH four time w W
Speaker 1: in are Kindell champion, seven time at tag team champion
Speaker 1: in w CW, etcetera, etcetera. So we can talk about
Speaker 1: Scott Hall here on the show today not looking good
Speaker 1: at this moment. Also and what it's bad news. But
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as like bad news goes, it's
Speaker 1: about the best. The outcome is about as best as
Speaker 1: you can hope for such bad news. Biggie was on
Speaker 1: SmackDown Friday. He was given an overhead belly to belly
Speaker 1: and landed on his head and broke his neck. He
Speaker 1: broke his C one and his C six. Anything about
Speaker 1: broken necks, your ce one vertebrae. A lot of people
Speaker 1: that break that one, that's the end of them. They
Speaker 1: either are paralyzes for life or dead. Somehow he broke
Speaker 1: his C one and C six won't even need surgery.
Speaker 1: We can talk about more after the break Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: Live than thank you back in the show, right, albur
Speaker 1: is here, Wrestling Observer Alive. Mike Simper BV isn't here.
Speaker 1: I just realized he's not here today. I'll find out
Speaker 1: what's going on. You're a moment. In fact, let's do
Speaker 1: it here in the year, because you know that's what
Speaker 1: we do on this show, is find out what's going on.
Speaker 1: I guess is he's asleep? All right, let's get into
Speaker 1: the news here. Obviously we talked about Scott Hall and Biggie.
Speaker 1: Is the two top stories. Scott Hall is on life support, which,
Speaker 1: according to Kevin Nash, will be he will be removed
Speaker 1: from life support when his family is in place. So
Speaker 1: that is the latest on Scott Hall. And as noted,
Speaker 1: Biggie suffered a broken neck on SmackDown and uh yes,
Speaker 1: I said he broke his C one and C six.
Speaker 1: It's it's semantics. I guess the C one and C
Speaker 1: six were fractured, but the doctor said his neck was broken,
Speaker 1: so anyway, not good. But what is good is that
Speaker 1: he will not need surgery, and presumably I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got a full use of his arms, legs, fingers, digits,
Speaker 1: and hopefully this means that he will be back in
Speaker 1: action sooner rather than later. He even joked pro tip,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna break your neck, do it in Birmingham,
Speaker 1: because of course that's where all of the major surgeries
Speaker 1: are done if you get yourself injured in w w E.
Speaker 1: So um, so that's that we have a question here,
Speaker 1: Uh thoughts, you know, what do you what do you
Speaker 1: think about the whole idea that even took an overhead
Speaker 1: belly to belly on the mats outside on SmackDown. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing to me regarding this move right here,
Speaker 1: the the listen outside it is it is matted. Okay,
Speaker 1: the mats on the outside are are you're one and
Speaker 1: a half inch wrestling mats basically. So you know, if
Speaker 1: you ever watch Olympic wrestling, and if you watch freestyle
Speaker 1: Olympic wrestling, you know there's there's dudes to get picked
Speaker 1: up and thrown hard in in Olympic wrestling competition, and
Speaker 1: they're landing on the same mats as the mats you're
Speaker 1: landing on outside. So it's not like you're landing on cement.
Speaker 1: It's obviously different from you know, taking a bump in
Speaker 1: the middle of the ring, which is the bounciest in
Speaker 1: the best place to take a bump, but you are
Speaker 1: you are still landing on a padded area. That's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two when they you know, when when you talk,
Speaker 1: they talk about the hardest part of the ring being
Speaker 1: the the ring, apron, etcetera. Yes, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ring there's a lot of give. There's less give
Speaker 1: on the ring apron, but the the mat that covers
Speaker 1: the ring itself, that extends the padded area that extends
Speaker 1: all the way to the end and usually curves over.
Speaker 1: So you know, you take a bump on the the
Speaker 1: apron and it is there is less give, but it
Speaker 1: is just as padded as as anywhere else. So what's
Speaker 1: the point. The point is, if you take a proper
Speaker 1: overhead belly to belly, what I would I like to
Speaker 1: be taking overhead belly to bellies on the matted area
Speaker 1: in the floor. I wouldn't. But you know, if you're
Speaker 1: taking a vertical suplex, your body's going up and down
Speaker 1: this way. It's roughly the same as taking an overhead
Speaker 1: belly to belly on the floor, unless, of course, you
Speaker 1: land on top of your head like Big E did.
Speaker 1: If you watch the injury too, big E, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you would have landed like that in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ring, he probably would have suffered the exact
Speaker 1: same injury. I mean, that's a that's a two and
Speaker 1: eighty pound guy or whatever, literally falling straight down on
Speaker 1: his head neck. So I'm not sure it would have
Speaker 1: been any better to take that bump inside the ring.
Speaker 1: I've seen thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of
Speaker 1: overhead belly to belly super lexus and they very, very
Speaker 1: rarely go wrong. So if the question is what I
Speaker 1: ban that move, I would not ban the overhead belly
Speaker 1: to belly suplex. Would I make sure that the person
Speaker 1: delivering the overhead belly to belly suplex knows exactly how
Speaker 1: to do it? Of course, And you know there's also
Speaker 1: you know this this. If you gonna watch Drew McIntyre
Speaker 1: do an overhead belly to belly suplex, he grabs people
Speaker 1: around the waist, but as he throws, he also takes
Speaker 1: one of his hand and he bumps him over, as
Speaker 1: opposed to just doing the curd angle style or the
Speaker 1: brock Lesson. You just grab him and you go and
Speaker 1: and they flip over. I mean, I prefer the way
Speaker 1: that Drew does it in the sense that most people
Speaker 1: may not even notice it, but you're doing essentially the
Speaker 1: same move, but you're also giving them that little bump
Speaker 1: to help turn them over in case something goes wrong.
Speaker 1: I would prefer if it was done that way, but
Speaker 1: this was it was an accident. I don't know what
Speaker 1: went wrong. You know, it's not that much harder of
Speaker 1: a bump on the outside than a lot of other
Speaker 1: bumps if done correctly, So it was an It was
Speaker 1: an accident that happened. And if it would have happened
Speaker 1: in the ring, on the ramp, pretty much anywhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: a two pound guy landing straight up and down on
Speaker 1: his head like that, it's gonna there's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a poor outcome. So I don't think that
Speaker 1: everybody should be getting all over Ridge Holland. You know,
Speaker 1: I I watched it. I mean, I don't even really
Speaker 1: know what went wrong. The guy didn't rotate enough. But
Speaker 1: sometimes when you see a botched move, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: abundantly clear what went wrong with that botched move, and
Speaker 1: obviously something went wrong here, but it wasn't something where
Speaker 1: when I watched it's like, well, of course the guy
Speaker 1: landed on his head. The whole thing got completely screwed up.
Speaker 1: It clearly got screwed up, but it's not like some
Speaker 1: things where you know, it's very obvious what went wrong,
Speaker 1: why it went wrong, etcetera, etcetera. So thankfully Big he
Speaker 1: appears to be on the road to recovery, hopefully quickly,
Speaker 1: hopefully he can get back in the ring. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that move, but you know, I was way
Speaker 1: more concerned for years about you know, when Biggie did
Speaker 1: that running topay and just crashed so hard on the
Speaker 1: outside over and over. I thought for sure something bad
Speaker 1: was gonna happen there, but it never did. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe when he comes back, maybe avoid stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But hopefully he can come back and do
Speaker 1: everything he did before. I'm glad he's all right, And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that. I'm glad it didn't turn out worse
Speaker 1: because watching that bump, like times out of a hundred,
Speaker 1: I think it probably would have ended up much much worse.
Speaker 1: Scott Hall, what can you say about Scott Hall. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously the most notable run of Scott Hall's career was
Speaker 1: when they came in as the Outsiders and uh, you
Speaker 1: know it's been talked about nauseum for years, but the
Speaker 1: Outsiders in World Championship Wrestling, and I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't want people to listen to this and Gobry listen.
Speaker 1: It's not I'm not denigrating Kevin Nash or running down
Speaker 1: Kevin Nash, okay, but what I'm saying is if you
Speaker 1: watched the Outsiders when they first came in, before they
Speaker 1: were linked with Whole Cogan. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: that it was like the Scott Hall Show because it
Speaker 1: took both of them, but holy smokes, a Scott Hall.
Speaker 1: This guy had the charisma of like fifty men. And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that if if it would have been
Speaker 1: like you know, Kevin Nash and uh, if they would
Speaker 1: have chosen Kevin Nash and Lex Luger or Kevin Nash
Speaker 1: and um, you know who else might have jumped over
Speaker 1: that time, Ted d Base whatever, I'm not sure any
Speaker 1: other group it would have been as big as it
Speaker 1: was with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. Because Scott Hall
Speaker 1: had so much charisma and and he, like I felt,
Speaker 1: was the guy that at the very beginning, held this
Speaker 1: whole thing together, is like a mega superstar type group.
Speaker 1: And then of course once he had a whole COVID,
Speaker 1: it was off to the races and everything like that.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if Hall gets enough credit for,
Speaker 1: you know, doing as much as he did when this
Speaker 1: when this act first came over from from from w WF.
Speaker 1: So obviously, you know, once once he started to have
Speaker 1: his problems, I mean it was it was a rough road.
Speaker 1: Even at his worst, he still had so much charisma.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could come out and you know, clearly
Speaker 1: he wasn't in the best state of mind, but he
Speaker 1: could get in the ring and do his hey yo,
Speaker 1: and the people would go absolutely crazy and and uh,
Speaker 1: super charismatic guy. I always thought he was a great worker,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, there were some people that I
Speaker 1: thought that he was. He was a little bit overrated
Speaker 1: as worker. Maybe in some ways he was, but I
Speaker 1: thought that he was great. He was he was smooth,
Speaker 1: he could have good matches, he would never hurt you. Uh,
Speaker 1: he connected with the fans. He was he was way
Speaker 1: way better as Scott Hall. In uh in w c
Speaker 1: W than he was his Razor Ramone, and he was
Speaker 1: a big star as Razor Ramone. But I felt that
Speaker 1: he was far more charismatic under his real name doing
Speaker 1: that character than he was is you know, the fake
Speaker 1: whatever he was with Razormon. We could have more about
Speaker 1: Scoll Hall Scott Hall after the break, rusting him Server Live.
Speaker 1: I am, in fact here on the show Hustling Observer
Speaker 1: Live right, Alvarez here, Mike semperviv. I do not know
Speaker 1: where he's at. I guess we will. We'll see he
Speaker 1: shows up here today daylight savings time. I guess is
Speaker 1: that he is a He is asleep right now, so
Speaker 1: UM a couple of other things. We'll we'll talk more
Speaker 1: about Hall and Biggie when we get in the feedback here,
Speaker 1: but raw is tonight, and tonight we're gonna find out
Speaker 1: if Cody is signed or not, because if Cody has signed,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the show tonight. I guess it's
Speaker 1: also possible he has signed and they've changed plans, but
Speaker 1: the plans even as of this weekend, we're still Cody
Speaker 1: and seth rawlins. If if Cody signs his deal, So
Speaker 1: if he has signed, he is expected to be on
Speaker 1: the show tonight, and if he has not signed the
Speaker 1: obviously he's not gonna be on the show tonight. And
Speaker 1: if he has not signed yet, then I guess we'll
Speaker 1: find out if they're going to hold off and continue
Speaker 1: the presumption that he will face seth Rawlins, or if
Speaker 1: they will move seth Rawlins onto something else. Because they've
Speaker 1: been doing house shows this weekend and seth Rawlins was
Speaker 1: added to the I guess would be Finn Balor and
Speaker 1: Damien East feud. They've been doing three ways this weekend,
Speaker 1: So presumably if they can't figure out, uh, they can't
Speaker 1: get the Cody deal done, then uh, seth Rollings does
Speaker 1: have a clear path to wrestle Menia everybody. He will
Speaker 1: be involved, most likely in a three way, but we'll
Speaker 1: find out tonight. I Uh, I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea. It's like one of those uh,
Speaker 1: you know when when people go, oh, you think such
Speaker 1: as that, I have no idea what's gonna happen to
Speaker 1: a W And I have no idea what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with Cody. Do I think he's gonna be there tonight. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't even say one way or
Speaker 1: the other. What I could tell you is that this
Speaker 1: was the place that they were expecting him to debut.
Speaker 1: So debuts the debuts, and if he doesn't, and we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. Also, this weekend of our shows, who
Speaker 1: should return to action but Becky Lynch. So she'd done
Speaker 1: a house show. I guess it would have been a
Speaker 1: week ago, and she suffered a broken voice box, she said,
Speaker 1: and uh, she was not at RAW. Actually she wasn't Raw.
Speaker 1: She was backstage, but she was not on TV. But
Speaker 1: she'd been hospitalized over the weekends. Would have been marked
Speaker 1: sixth and all Intown, Pennsylvania. She suffered the broken voice box,
Speaker 1: and she's in the hospital. She's got the gimmick. She
Speaker 1: shows up at RAW the next day she can't talk.
Speaker 1: And the word we were given was they expect that
Speaker 1: she's going to be back in time for WrestleMania. I thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's gonna be pretty quick. Well, lo
Speaker 1: and behold, she was back to an house shows this weekend,
Speaker 1: so she's good to go for WrestleMania. So I presume
Speaker 1: that she will be on the show tonight, but I
Speaker 1: guess anything is possible. We also had w W revealing
Speaker 1: the newest member of this year's w w E Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame class. It was announced via Complex whatever that is,
Speaker 1: and that Charmel will be inducted into the w w
Speaker 1: E Hall of Fame over WrestleMania Week this April. Joins
Speaker 1: the Undertaker and Vader in the twenty two Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame class. I was so happy, she told the Complex.
Speaker 1: After learning she was going into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what to say. It was an unexpected,
Speaker 1: great surprise, a welcome surprise. Somebody asked if she was
Speaker 1: the first w w E Hall of Famer that had
Speaker 1: gotten a negative five star rating, and the answer is no,
Speaker 1: That would go to the Bushwhackers who once faced the
Speaker 1: Iron Chic at Nikolai Volkoff and a tag team match
Speaker 1: at the Heroes of Wrestling, which actually I gave significantly
Speaker 1: less than five stars to Minus five stars would have
Speaker 1: been like praising that particular match, it was so bad.
Speaker 1: And then also on the subject of the Huffman's Nearly
Speaker 1: a month after Booker t backtrack after initially breaking the news,
Speaker 1: rock Cy has reportedly signed a w w E contract
Speaker 1: and will start in n x T pple Inside Report
Speaker 1: of the News on Monday during a mid February appearance
Speaker 1: on Ariel Hellwani's MMA Our but Curtisa, the twenty year
Speaker 1: old had signed a deal, but later tweeted that he
Speaker 1: misspoke because this company is weird and uh, they don't
Speaker 1: want you announcing anything until either they have announced it
Speaker 1: or they have given the news to somebody else to announce,
Speaker 1: where they can announce that somebody else announced it, because
Speaker 1: it seems like you're a bigger deal when somebody else
Speaker 1: is breaking your news, except if it's like you know,
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer, p W Inside or something, then that doesn't count.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she's been signed for a while, so there
Speaker 1: you go, and I hope she does well in n
Speaker 1: x T, and honestly I expect, oh, here, here he goes,
Speaker 1: she's gonna do well in n x T. Roman rains
Speaker 1: Is All have been added to two stops on w
Speaker 1: w e's upcoming European House show tour. Rain's gonna be
Speaker 1: wrestling in London on April, Paris on April. They've got
Speaker 1: a tour from April one through May one. Since their
Speaker 1: usual the usually do a post WrestleMania European tour and
Speaker 1: so uh they've added Roman and Rhonda, which to me
Speaker 1: probably means, you know, we gotta sell some tickets, because
Speaker 1: that's what they normally do in they need to sell
Speaker 1: some tickets. So there you go. We're gonna go to
Speaker 1: some feedback and I may open up the phone lines
Speaker 1: in the next segment if you've got memories and things
Speaker 1: you want to talk about regarding Scott Hall, and we
Speaker 1: can also if you want to talk about the Rampage
Speaker 1: show on Friday night and the SmackDown Show on Friday
Speaker 1: Night as well, which had a very good main event.
Speaker 1: It was weird actually was made evented by um Sammy
Speaker 1: Zane and Ricochet. That was a main event of SmackDown
Speaker 1: Sammy Zane and Ricochet. Although they did end with a
Speaker 1: as I attempt to not sneeze here and I have
Speaker 1: no Mike to cover for me. Ah, they did end
Speaker 1: with a brawl Charlotte Flair and uh Rhonda Rousy. Huh.
Speaker 1: Don't look at the light, that's what they say. Don't
Speaker 1: look at the light. All right. Scott Hall was awesome.
Speaker 1: This person said, I never got to see him. Russell
Speaker 1: alive because his peak was before I was born. But
Speaker 1: looking back at his matches with the guys like Brett
Speaker 1: and Sean, they're amazing and his importance to wrestling history
Speaker 1: is undeniable. Yeah, Like I said, I was a way
Speaker 1: bigger fan of him as Scott Hall than Razor Ramone.
Speaker 1: Those Razor Ramon the vignettes were just so wacky, and
Speaker 1: he ended up doing a good job with the character.
Speaker 1: But I mean this is like a classic example of
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it a million times. No
Speaker 1: matter how good you are at at playing a character,
Speaker 1: you're still better at being yourself. And uh, and he
Speaker 1: was himself when he was Scott Hall and when he
Speaker 1: was raised Ramoney was was it a fake Cuban? Is
Speaker 1: that what it was? So? You know, but it was,
Speaker 1: you know, there was um, you know, he used some
Speaker 1: of the the Razor Ramon mannerisms when he went to
Speaker 1: UH to World Champions pressling when him and Kevin Nash
Speaker 1: jumped over. I mean, there was a lawsuit filed by
Speaker 1: w w E that that w w E was using
Speaker 1: their intellectual property because even though they you know, they
Speaker 1: they called him Scott Hall. I mean, he used the
Speaker 1: line about you know who I am. He had the
Speaker 1: you know, the whole gimmick and everything like that, so
Speaker 1: you know that was but he he he changed, he went,
Speaker 1: he went full Scott Hall there after a while, and
Speaker 1: it was a I thought, a big improvement. This person says,
Speaker 1: it's funny growing up as a wrestling fan, my mom
Speaker 1: and my aunt would occasionally watch with me. My mom
Speaker 1: hated Scott Hall, while my aunt loved him and always
Speaker 1: had such a huge crush on him. One time, I
Speaker 1: free uh freeze framed a picture of him in picture
Speaker 1: and picture tease my aunt with and it accidentally burned
Speaker 1: an imprint in the TV heath that lasted a week.
Speaker 1: Remember back in the day when you have like a
Speaker 1: screen saver or you would uh you know, burn an
Speaker 1: imprint into your cathode ray monitor. Some of youngsters are like,
Speaker 1: what is this guy talking about him? Many Christmas? Regardless
Speaker 1: of this, he says, I still do some of his
Speaker 1: mannerisms in the mirror, like slicking the hair, pumping the
Speaker 1: chest while stomping the floor to show off. The man
Speaker 1: at Chrisma said to have a world without him, and
Speaker 1: glad he sobered up to enjoy the world for his
Speaker 1: last few years. He will be missed dearly. This person
Speaker 1: says Scott really got hey yo over as a catchphrase.
Speaker 1: He was that good rest in power man. He would
Speaker 1: stand out there and he would just build it up
Speaker 1: forever and then he'd uh, oh, here's Mike. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: sent me a text that I cannot. I can't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he's talking about, but I'll contact him
Speaker 1: during the break. So, oh, you know what. I know
Speaker 1: where he's at and I can now. Yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: about this. It's actually my fault. He didn't know show.
Speaker 1: He told me last week he's actually going to see
Speaker 1: the Boogie Woogie Man Jimmy Valiant live. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: My fault. He didn't sleep in there. You go, Brian
Speaker 1: forgot again. Remember he went to see the Boogie Woogie Man. Alright,
Speaker 1: I'll let him know, all right, Well that's where he's at.
Speaker 1: He's out seeing Jimmy Valiant today. Totally forgot about that,
Speaker 1: all right. And actually somebody notes here, you know, with
Speaker 1: that w w E lawsuit where they they claimed that
Speaker 1: Hall was using too many of the Razor Ramon mannerisms
Speaker 1: when he went to Championship Wrestling UM. His w W
Speaker 1: e w W f Razor Ramone mannerisms remarkably similar to
Speaker 1: the Diamond stud I don't think that was mentioned in
Speaker 1: the lawsuit. Also got here four to five seven eight
Speaker 1: zero seven five six six. By the way, as the
Speaker 1: text message line, this person says, that's about the Bullet Club.
Speaker 1: We'll get into those later. Let's just largely do uh.
Speaker 1: Scott halland such here today. Josiah says, I met Scott
Speaker 1: Hall when I was eight. He was a replacement for
Speaker 1: Kevin Nash when Kevin Nash had travel issues. He made
Speaker 1: the show but was late. Maybe he was also visiting
Speaker 1: the Boogie Woogie Man Jimmy Valiant. He shook my hand
Speaker 1: with his hand covering half of my arm and spent
Speaker 1: some time talking to me. He took the time to
Speaker 1: talk to everybody, made sure all the kids felt welcome.
Speaker 1: It was my first ever wrestling show live. It was
Speaker 1: so great and it was a huge part of why
Speaker 1: I'm a fan today. Back in the mall, we'll drop
Speaker 1: the phone numb Wrestling Observer Live. Okay, back in the show,
Speaker 1: Brian Elbarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive. If you want to
Speaker 1: contact us here today, let's talk about some Scott Hall
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Speaker 1: it's eight four seven. Probably wanna talk a lot about
Speaker 1: Rampage and SmackDown today, But yesterday's Brian and Vinny show
Speaker 1: we reviewed Rampage, so if you want to check that
Speaker 1: out as a subscriber, you can do so. And also
Speaker 1: for our subscribers at Wrestling Observer dot com as well
Speaker 1: as our top tier YouTube subscribers video in for w
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Speaker 1: up at two Pacific five Eastern talking SmackDown and New
Speaker 1: Japan Strong, which was also main evented by Swerv Strickland
Speaker 1: as he faced j White. That'll be coming up later
Speaker 1: on today, so we'll talk about these shows there. Let's
Speaker 1: go to ports Mouth. You're on the air. What's going on? Hey?
Speaker 1: What's up Brandon here? Um? Yeah, you know it's playing
Speaker 1: my first Um you are? I guess I ever saw
Speaker 1: Scott Hall was when him in the n w OH
Speaker 1: went to w WF, when Vince had that whole I'm
Speaker 1: gonna poison the w WF I bringing an n W
Speaker 1: and so like. So like at that time, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Scott Hall, he's hole Cooke in you know, cronies or whatever.
Speaker 1: But then, like you know, I never watched w c W,
Speaker 1: but I did go back and watch the Scott Hall
Speaker 1: met with Sean Michael's the ladder match they had. It
Speaker 1: was it was so cool to seeing the match like
Speaker 1: that because it's always different from like ladder match. This
Speaker 1: would be today where people are just like killing themselves
Speaker 1: doing all this crazy stuff. So it, um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: definitely gonna keep looking at more stuff I can when
Speaker 1: I could see a Scott Hall and so sad to
Speaker 1: hear about the news, but it's good that we have
Speaker 1: the great memories of him. Alright, I want to thank
Speaker 1: you so much for the call. Yeah, that that ladder match.
Speaker 1: I've talked about that match a million times, the WrestleMania
Speaker 1: ten ladder match, Scott Hall and and Sean Michaels, which
Speaker 1: was amazing. Like if you've never if you aren't my age,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're you know, thirty five or younger,
Speaker 1: and you grew up in the days of you know,
Speaker 1: the Hard Ease and the Dudley's and Edge and Christian
Speaker 1: and then all of the crazy ladder matches that we
Speaker 1: see nowadays. I mean, you'd watch that match and what
Speaker 1: But what it is is it's a it's a wrestling
Speaker 1: match with a ladder, and they had a great wrestling
Speaker 1: match involving a ladder. It was all about it was
Speaker 1: all about the wrestling, it was all about the selling.
Speaker 1: It was all about the the build it to the
Speaker 1: big spots, and they had some creative spots and everything
Speaker 1: like that. But it is a it is a very
Speaker 1: very different kind of match than you know, what ended
Speaker 1: up being just you know, we're gonna build eighty five contraptions,
Speaker 1: and not to denigrate these matches because many of them
Speaker 1: were great matches, but they're different. You know, the stunt
Speaker 1: show where we're just gonna do as many crazy things
Speaker 1: as we can and we will build to one really
Speaker 1: crazy thing at the end that will be the finish.
Speaker 1: But um, it was a very very cleverly done match.
Speaker 1: And uh in the finish where the ladder gets tipped
Speaker 1: over and Sean crotches the top rope and he gets
Speaker 1: his leg cot and he's dangling upside down so we
Speaker 1: can't even get out to climb the ladder to stop
Speaker 1: Scott Hall. I mean that was a that was a
Speaker 1: great match. And they did the other one too, um,
Speaker 1: which is not as famous, and I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was as good, although some people did. But this person
Speaker 1: here says, uh, let's see Scott Hall. Uh, let's see.
Speaker 1: I've been watching w WF since I don't read all
Speaker 1: these sometimes. I didn't watching in w WF since the eighties.
Speaker 1: I knew of w c W in the mid nineties,
Speaker 1: but just thought that it was a place where guys
Speaker 1: went when w w E did not want them, and
Speaker 1: if w w WE didn't care about them, why should I?
Speaker 1: Until Hall and Nash showed up changed the game and
Speaker 1: made me realize there was so much more good wrestling
Speaker 1: out there. You know, even in I feel there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there who don't realize there's
Speaker 1: a good wrestling out there outside of w w E.
Speaker 1: But you know what, there's a lot of it. Let's
Speaker 1: go to Canada. You're on the air. What's going on? Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going? What's up? I'm just calling from candidate here.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to share a Scott Hall moment. You know
Speaker 1: in the nineties that everyone there's that commercial be like Mike,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be like Razor, And uh, it's
Speaker 1: just a really sad day right now. And like, remember
Speaker 1: he had a huge heart. Remember when he gave those
Speaker 1: kids they the front metal belt. I had aids on
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer. What a guy like. I know he had
Speaker 1: his issues and whatnot. And like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, really really gonna love him, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are say what you want, you're gonna love
Speaker 1: him or hate him, like it was really bad backstage apparently,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, man, just a sad day. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you very much for the call.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this this earlier as well.
Speaker 1: That you know, Scott Hall had a lot of issues,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes when you're in the midst of
Speaker 1: a lot of issues, there can be a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I don't want to hang around with
Speaker 1: the guy so much. But when he wasn't in the
Speaker 1: midst of having serious issues, everyone said such great things
Speaker 1: about what a great guy he was, what a nice
Speaker 1: guy he was. And you know one of the things
Speaker 1: that you know you could see publicly was I can't
Speaker 1: think of any time I ever heard of of Scott
Speaker 1: Hall like not wanting to put someone over, not wanting
Speaker 1: to help somebody out. He was always wanting to help people.
Speaker 1: And in the nineties, I mean, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that they didn't want to do jobs, especially
Speaker 1: if they were a star. Never heard that about Scott Hall.
Speaker 1: And there were times like I think it was with
Speaker 1: um was it Hector Hector Guards that might have been
Speaker 1: where Hector Guards have pinned, uh, Scott Hall on Nitro.
Speaker 1: And the point of this was they they did this
Speaker 1: every now and then, and uh, you know Kevin Nash
Speaker 1: with with Ray Mysterio and Hull Cogan with Kidman and
Speaker 1: they'd you know, they'd they get pinned, but they weren't
Speaker 1: putting anybody over. And you know, there's a difference between
Speaker 1: letting someone pin you and then putting that person over.
Speaker 1: And you know, the thing with with Hector Garza, I
Speaker 1: mean I think it was like the first time that
Speaker 1: they had one of the big stars pinned by by
Speaker 1: one of the ender carters. I could have this wrong,
Speaker 1: but anyway, the point is, you know, he didn't really
Speaker 1: put over Hector Garza, Okay, but the difference is he
Speaker 1: would have put over Hector Garza and everybody everybody said that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there was gonna be an issue where
Speaker 1: you had a bunch of egos in the ring and
Speaker 1: they're all arguing and nobody wanted Holly would have just said,
Speaker 1: I'll do the I'll do the the funny silly job.
Speaker 1: He would have just done it because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, and this goes back to what a
Speaker 1: charismatic guy he was. When you're a guy and you
Speaker 1: have that kind of chrisma and you have that kind
Speaker 1: of self confidence, you're okay putting people over because you
Speaker 1: know that you can get it back. You know that
Speaker 1: you can get yourself over. You know that down the road.
Speaker 1: Uh no, it actually yeah. He put over Chris Jericho
Speaker 1: as well. So anyway, there were many people in wrestling
Speaker 1: that did not have the level of self confidence that
Speaker 1: Scott Hall did, and they didn't like putting guys over.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you ever watched Rick Flair, Rick
Speaker 1: Flair was a guy who you know it is in
Speaker 1: his personal life he had serious issues with self confidence.
Speaker 1: In the ring, he had no issues with self confidence,
Speaker 1: and so that was the difference. If you're a guy
Speaker 1: who you know, you're not really a great worker, and
Speaker 1: you're not you know, you can have issues or you're
Speaker 1: afraid that that your spot will be taken if you
Speaker 1: if you do a job, if you're a guy who's
Speaker 1: not concerned about losing your spot, not concerned that you
Speaker 1: can get over, not concerned you'll you'll put anybody over.
Speaker 1: And and that was Rick Flair. Hit Flair. It was
Speaker 1: even about putting people over. He would go to a
Speaker 1: town and face the local guy that nobody had ever
Speaker 1: heard of, and he would he would, you know, let
Speaker 1: this guy not necessarily put him over. He wasn't like
Speaker 1: the guys would win the title or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but he would give him everything in that match. And
Speaker 1: Hall was one of those guys who, you know, he
Speaker 1: always wanted to help. He always wanted to help the
Speaker 1: young guys. He didn't have that that I'm not putting
Speaker 1: anyone over ego or anything like that. Things might have
Speaker 1: been different if he was really in the middle of something.
Speaker 1: But you know, in general, when he had his head
Speaker 1: on straight, I mean, everyone always had the nicest things
Speaker 1: to say about him and how he wanted to help people.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Philadelphia. You're on the Air's up. Hello,
Speaker 1: this is Brian Fincilly. Um, it's just uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to tell a really cool Scott Hall story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if too many people know this, but
Speaker 1: in two thousand one, he went to New Japan and
Speaker 1: he was wrestling and he was the whole tour. He
Speaker 1: was building up a match against Mudo. So he wrestled
Speaker 1: a young lion by the name him and he gives
Speaker 1: him the Razor's edge and then he grabs the mic
Speaker 1: and starts talking all this crap about Mudo and Taahashi
Speaker 1: pens him, which is like a young lion never pens
Speaker 1: any moment, especially a trout like that. But but but
Speaker 1: Scott Hall said, this kid's money. He was selling everybody
Speaker 1: this kid's money. And Tanahasi became one of the all
Speaker 1: time great so he saw before before anybody. So he
Speaker 1: had definitely had a huge eye for talent. And and
Speaker 1: there's the interview with Tanahashi and he talked about how
Speaker 1: it meant you know, it was such a huge deal
Speaker 1: for him. Well, yeah, yeah, I want to thank you
Speaker 1: very much for the call. One of the first things
Speaker 1: I saw on Twitter today was Tanahashi sending out best
Speaker 1: wishes to Scott Halls. So yeah, he he would help people.
Speaker 1: He had no problem helping people. He didn't have and
Speaker 1: and for a guy that in the nineties, I mean
Speaker 1: he was at the very, very very tippy top in
Speaker 1: terms of like, you know, the biggest superstars and most
Speaker 1: famous people in this business. He had no problem helping people.
Speaker 1: And in the nineties a guy at that level, there
Speaker 1: weren't a lot of them like that. In fact, most
Speaker 1: of the stories were the exact let's go to uh
Speaker 1: a brattel Borow. It could be wrong, but you're on
Speaker 1: the go. All right, what's going on? Brian? It's from
Speaker 1: the old land line today, So shout out to the
Speaker 1: twitch homies. I wanted to quickly share my thoughts on
Speaker 1: Scott Hall. It's just such a bummer to hear the
Speaker 1: news and everything. Um, possibly one of the guys that
Speaker 1: had the greatest impact on the business without ever being
Speaker 1: a world champion, and just a heck of a worker.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably have to go through on one of
Speaker 1: those old Michael's versus Razor Ramon ladder matches after this,
Speaker 1: because uh yeah, just an amazing worker, hell of a talent,
Speaker 1: and just a bumber to hear the news today. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a go on guys, all right, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for the call there, diggon from the old landline
Speaker 1: day can calling in. What else do we have here?
Speaker 1: In the text message beIN ah. I'm a female fan
Speaker 1: new to wrestling only three years, cultivated by a W.
Speaker 1: I'm sad I barely got to explore matches by Scott
Speaker 1: Hall and just when I discovered his match with Sean
Speaker 1: I find out he's going to pass away a lot
Speaker 1: of great Scott Hall stuff. If you look around, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of good stuff out there, Brian.
Speaker 1: Anyway to play Scott Hall's rap from the Wrestle Rock
Speaker 1: ad don If you're listening Scott Hall rap from the
Speaker 1: Wressell Rock ad see if you can find it. Well,
Speaker 1: you're busy editing my show for replay, let's see, Yes,
Speaker 1: Josiah telling the same story about Hall and Hiroshi Tanahashi.
Speaker 1: This person here, says Brian, I guess I skew a
Speaker 1: little older than some of the other listeners because my
Speaker 1: first memory of Scott Hall was the a W A.
Speaker 1: I loved his team with Kurt Hennig. I remember hearing
Speaker 1: on John or Resi's show that w c WS Diamond
Speaker 1: stud with Scott Hall. Honestly could not reconcile that it
Speaker 1: was the same baby face with the Tom Selleck mustache
Speaker 1: that I remembered from after school on ESPN. I love
Speaker 1: how much of an outpouring of love there's been for
Speaker 1: Scott Hall in the last few days. One of the
Speaker 1: true greats, and the wrestling world will be worse off
Speaker 1: for losing him. For instance, I saw Scott Hall live
Speaker 1: March of Land Over Maryland, Diesel and Razor versus Double
Speaker 1: j Jeff Jarrett and Sean Michaels. Everyone looked great except Nash.
Speaker 1: He phoned it in, but Razor got the loudest reaction
Speaker 1: of the night thinking of Scott Hall in his family today.
Speaker 1: I remember this person said I had the best of
Speaker 1: Russellmania VHS tape. Oh, here we go, brgging the show.
Speaker 1: Brian Elber is here, rustling observer alive. This person says,
Speaker 1: I remember I had the best of a WrestleMania VHS
Speaker 1: tape that had the Seaun versus Razor ladder match on.
Speaker 1: It was the match I rewatch more than any other,
Speaker 1: served as the template from my brother and I did
Speaker 1: ladder matches in the backyard, Ulucies. Well, you know, I
Speaker 1: have to say here as a public service message, never
Speaker 1: try this at home. But if you happen to try
Speaker 1: it at home and you want to do some ladder matches,
Speaker 1: that's the match to watch because as far as ladder
Speaker 1: matches go, it's safe and it's smart. And uh that's
Speaker 1: actually the best way to describe Scott Hall as he
Speaker 1: was safe and he was smart, very very smart worker,
Speaker 1: very very smart too to uh many aspects of this business,
Speaker 1: not the least of which was you got to know
Speaker 1: how to get yourself over. You gotta know how to
Speaker 1: get the other guy over. You have to know how
Speaker 1: to do a match without killing someone, and uh, and
Speaker 1: you have to entertain the people. What more? What more
Speaker 1: would you want? Next? What Scott Hall was great at? So?
Speaker 1: Um that was from Ulysses right there. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to thank everybody who uh sent in messages here today.
Speaker 1: We can talk about this more tomorrow and you know
Speaker 1: we were we got the brilliant V show tomorrow Raw fourteen.
Speaker 1: So uh, these are the old school raws Razor was
Speaker 1: a part of. So we'll talk about him on the
Speaker 1: show's tomorrow as well. And final note, here this person says,
Speaker 1: I beg to differ about the Summer Slim Ladder match.
Speaker 1: Remember hearing Hall and HPK were barred from using the
Speaker 1: Ladder's weapon. They had cleverly work around those limitations. And
Speaker 1: although it's finish isn't as good as Mania ten, it
Speaker 1: speaks of his genius and rings psychology to put a
Speaker 1: match like that together. I enjoyed the match a little
Speaker 1: more appealing back the curtain. Lots of love and respect
Speaker 1: for you, David Scott Hall and his family. Well, let's it, everybody.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you all for listening today. All
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