1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let go. Are you 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: ready for a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Am bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September thirtieth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode 8 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: number thirty four. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 9 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the Stargout. My crew Nick Dave Amber here with me 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: and we're joined as we are every Wednesday and Thursday, 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network. Bucky, Welcome to the show. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Let's jump right in. Today we're going to talk about 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns offense a little different than what we've 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: been talking about the past two weeks, from the standpoints 16 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: of the offenses at the Cowboys that face. But we'll 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: start in the same place we always start talking to 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: me about their greatest strength and the greatest weakness of 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: that Cleveland Brown's offense. You know, they really found at 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. The greatest strength is this 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: double two headed monster that they have in running back 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. They're only two running backs 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: in the league with over two hundred rushing yards. The 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns are running the ball fifty two percent of 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: the time. They're averaging one hundred and seventy rushing yards 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: per game. And so what they've discovered is that when 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: they play hit you in the mount football, they're a 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: lot more successful. By running the ball and committing to 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: the run. They've been able to put Baker Mayfield on 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: a pitch count. The last two games, Baker Mayfield has 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: had a passer rating over one hundred. Because he's throwing 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: fewer than twenty five times in each of those contests, 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: and because they're able to run the ball, and because 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: they forced the defense to put an extra defender in 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: the box, you're now getting more one on one coverage 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: for Odell Beckham Junior and Jarvis Landry. And even though 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: they don't throw it as much as they have, you 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: still have to be worried about Obj because despite the 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: narrative that comes out of Cleveland about them needing to 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: get rid of him, he's still as dangerous as he's 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: always been, and he could be a problem, particularly for 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: a Cowboys secondary that has been struggling in coverage. Bucky, 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a good grasp of what the 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: second the Cowboys secondary might be facing this week. When 45 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: you when you compare the Browns receiver group to the 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: ones that the Cowboys have already faced, where would you 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: rank them? I would say that the Browns are more 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: talented than the groups that they face. Now. They may 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: not be as effective because an Seattle or Russell Wilson 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: was you know, he's been letting them cook. But I 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: think if we were to do a draft and you 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: could pick your druthers over OBJ and some of the 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: other guys, I think he would be at the top 54 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: of the list, up there with Julio Jones. I think 55 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: some of the bloom is off the roads just because 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: of all the stuff that has taken place. But make 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: no mistake, he's as dangerous as ever. And then Jarvis 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: Landry is a guy that is just a chain mover, 59 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: and with Austin Hooper coming in, they can give you problems. 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: And for the Cowboys, I think the big thing will 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: be how does Mike Nolan decide to play this game. 62 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: They're a team that has shown some split safety looks, 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: some quarters, and the advantage of quarters is you can 64 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: get nine men boxes in traditional sets. The problem is 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: your corners now are left on islands. And so how 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: confident is Mike Nolan that his young guys can hold 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: up on the corner because it starts there when he's 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: building the game plan, does he believe that his corners 69 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: can hold up? Because if he does, then he could 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: put extra defendants, but if not, they could get gash 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: with the running game, Bucky. Are the Browns playing better 72 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: or their last two weeks or their schedule just I 73 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: mean the opponents just suck. I mean, like, are they 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: any good because they got blown out their first game 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and then the next two games are playing better? I mean, 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: are they playing better just the schedule helped them out? 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's a combination of both. Like right now 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: everyone's trying to figure out who they are because of 79 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the lack of the preseason. But I think they're better 80 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: because they found an identity. Kevin Stevanski comes from that system, 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: that Shanahan system, learning under Gary Kubiak a season ago 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: that they want to run the football and everything is 83 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: predicated off the run. The passing game matches the running game, 84 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: and so it can be problematic for your defenders. I 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: did not discipline, and so this offense won't like offense. 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of similarities in terms of 87 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: the zone based running scheme, how they want to attack 88 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: the edges. But they know who they are now and 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: it runs through Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, and so 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: the priority has to be how do you stop those 91 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: two running backs? And then oh, by the way, you 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to stop number thirteen on 93 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: the perimeter, Bucky, which I mean, yeah, the Browns running 94 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: the ball is the big storyline for them right now, 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: and I think that ties into their offensive line. I mean, 96 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: the big narrative last year was that, you know, Baker 97 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: had this sophomore slump because he was never comfortable. So 98 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: they go get Jack Conklin to play right tackle. They 99 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: draft Jedrick Wills to play on the left, and it 100 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: seems like it's working. I mean, they're third in the 101 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: league in rushing offense and they've only allowed four sacks, 102 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: but Baker Mayfield still isn't really lighting the world on fire. 103 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: And I mean I know that they have this great 104 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: rushing attack, but what's the deal there, Like, I mean, 105 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield still not comfortable, you know, with his protection, 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: or is the offensive line still struggling to buy him time? Well, 107 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I think Baker Mayfield is what he is. I think 108 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is probably a mid tier quarterback even though 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: he's drafted number one. And I think they've discovered that 110 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: they can't put too much on his plate. When they 111 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: put too much on his plate and they try and 112 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: get into a drop back passing game where they're chasing 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: points and they're not able to use play action, that 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: is when he really struggles. He has a tough time 115 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: of what I say, seeing out of the pocket because 116 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: he's shorter and so he can't throw from the whale, 117 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: and so if you got big bodies around him, he'll 118 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: keep retreating, and because he's retreating, he ends up losing 119 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: some of the steam on his passes. They've been able 120 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: to make him very comfortable by throwing off play action. 121 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: He was one of the best passes in the league 122 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: throwing off play action in twenty nineteen. They've continued to 123 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: do that because that's the strength of his game. When 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: he has to do other stuff like traditional drop back passing, 125 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: his efficiency, his completion rate, his accuracy at all declines, 126 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: and he has a bad tendency to try and flee 127 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: the pocket going to his right and so controlling the 128 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: game with the running game and throwing play action on 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: early downs. That is their recipe for success. Don't know 130 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: what they look like if they have to chase points, 131 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: and so that's why it'd be interesting to see if 132 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys can put them behind the eight ball then 133 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: make them chase points. Can he be a guy that 134 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: can lead them back if he has to throw it 135 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: thirty or more times. I'm gonna jump in here, and 136 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: this is for Buck. You're really anybody? So is that 137 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: a bust pick? Then? If you if you need all 138 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: this help around you and you have, you know, you 139 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: can't put too much on your late should you be 140 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick? This is his third year. 141 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean he's still developing, But I mean, I mean, 142 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like a guy that would carry a 143 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: franchise to me. I don't know. Yeah, let's we're gonna 144 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Bucky's answered, and we're gonna take a 145 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: whole segment on that, because that's an interesting that's an 146 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: interesting question. Let's get your answer all nobum. So I 147 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: think the thing with Baker, but he may have been overdrafted, 148 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: like he may have been overdrafted based on his talent 149 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: based upon what you expect from Ann pick. But now, yeah, 150 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: but now that you have, now that you've taken him, 151 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: you got to make it right. And so the way 152 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: that you make it right is you surround him with 153 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: everything that you possibly have, because when you look at 154 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: what he has, there's not much that the Cleveland Brown's lack. 155 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: On offense. They got two good wide receivers that both 156 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: have been number ones at their previous places. They got 157 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: two running backs that are number ones. They got an 158 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: offensive line that they've rebuilt. They just added another tight 159 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: end in Austin Hooper. If if Baker Mayfield can't get 160 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: it done with this staff, then he'll never be able 161 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: to get it done. So, yes, he's I would say 162 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been the number one and pick based 163 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: on what his talent was. But now that he's the 164 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: number one, their job is to put everything around him 165 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: to help him thrive. And so maybe Baker Mayfield can 166 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: resurrect his career and maybe becomes Jared Goff and Jered Goff. 167 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Isn't everything, but when he's around about the right thing 168 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: and he has the right play caller, he can play 169 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: at a high level and get his team to the 170 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: super Bowl. I think you could probably say the same 171 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield. Everything has to be right, but if 172 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: it's right and he plays within himself, they certainly can 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: win a lot of games. We'll join right now by 174 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks of NFL Network, And Bucky, you look at 175 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: this Cleveland offense. Obviously, as the whole conversation as unfolded here, 176 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that their offense is predicated on the 177 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: run far more than it is on Baker's arm, specifically 178 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: when they've won this season. Talk to me about what 179 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: other teams have done to stop the run, because my 180 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: first thought is, well, you croud the box and you 181 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: force Baker to beat You have teams done that and 182 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: just not been successful? Or what have teams done defensively 183 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: to try to slow down that run? Well, I mean, 184 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: you can load the box. The problem is are you 185 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: good enough outside to deal with Odell Beckham Junior and 186 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry and as they get more and more comfortable 187 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: in this offense, you're beginning to see Kevin Stefanski draw 188 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: up these isolation routes where look, they're able to max 189 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: protect and they're able to let Odell Beckham freelance and 190 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: do all the stuff that he wants to do. And 191 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: he is a very very difficult guard. And so when 192 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: they get him the ball, and they get him the 193 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: rock early and often, Odell Beckham Junior is a handful, 194 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: and so you kind of forced to pick your poison. 195 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Do you want to stop the running game because you 196 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: know that's what they do? And are you willing to 197 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: live with some of the big plays that could happen 198 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: in the passing game. That's the dilemma that they're able 199 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: to create. But the personnel that they have on the field, Bucky, 200 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: My next question isn't necessarily specific to this upcoming game, 201 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: but more of the Cowboys defense in general. We keep 202 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: hearing them speak about communication and just maybe simplifying or 203 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: trying to simplify the defense a little bit. How long 204 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: does it actually or usually take a defense with a 205 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: new coach be able to find connection and be able 206 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: to be in sync and be able to be fully 207 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: communicating and everyone to have just kind of be on 208 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: the same page. Well, it depends because you got a 209 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: lot of moving parts on that defense. You got young 210 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: players that have never played in the NFL, who didn't 211 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: have the benefit of a preseason, so they're trying to 212 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: figure out the speed of the game. You have a 213 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: new coordinator who is still trying to figure out all 214 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: the pieces that he has at his disposal, and he 215 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: is one that likes to have a very healthy playbook, 216 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: meaning he wants to be multiple, he wants to be 217 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: to change a bunch of different coverages, and so that 218 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: requires typically a lot of experience and communication. And the 219 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: problem that we're seeing with the Cowboys the ball is 220 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: flying over their head too much. I mean too many 221 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: big plays, too many blown coverages, too many miscommunications and 222 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: assignment errors. And at that point, when you're the coach, 223 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: you have to figure out what do we do well, 224 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: can live in this one coverage or one or two 225 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: coveragers of calls and just see if we can just 226 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: play solid, keep the ball in front and not mess 227 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: it up. I think the challenges on Mike Nolan, even 228 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: though he wants to do all of these things that 229 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: maybe they were even doing in New Orleans because it's 230 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: so complicated. How long can you go with this and 231 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: how often can you do These guys bust coverage and 232 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: give up big plays when you know that the team 233 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: is struggling not only on defense but also in the 234 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: kicking game. We've talked about this before though. If you 235 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: simplify that for the players, how much how easy is 236 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: that for an offensive coordinator, Because if you're simplifying it 237 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: for them, I'm sure the offensive coordinator can figure out 238 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: what's happening too. All right, so you're cutting out, but 239 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you said, when you simplify the defense, 240 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: are you also asking about complimenting the offense? Well, no, 241 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you simplify it for the defensive players, 242 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: are you also simplifying it for the opposing offensive coordinator 243 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: to figure out what you're doing. Look, so here's the thing. 244 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: There are two ways to approach it. You can try 245 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: to make your defense one where you fool the other 246 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback and the coordinator. But if you're fooling your 247 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: own players, it's all for not like there's something too 248 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes lining up playing a basic so that everyone knows 249 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing. And I think when you look 250 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: at this team, and this is something where Mike McCarthy 251 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: has to step in. He has to look at the 252 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: team and say, we're one in two, we're struggling, we're 253 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: leaking a lot of oil on defense, and we're not 254 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: really good in the kicking game. What can we do 255 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: to put ourselves in a situation where we're scoring enough 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: points to win games? And some of that maybe, Coach Nolan, 257 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna line up in 258 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: quarters coverage. We're gonna play it all day. They're gonna 259 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: keep the ball in front, and we'll be good inside 260 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: the red zone in the twenties, and we'll make them 261 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: kick feel goals because offensively we're putting over thirty points 262 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: up on people, so we can score enough points. We 263 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: just don't need to die a quick death by giving 264 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: up these big plays. And that's what's happening. And when 265 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: you have a guy like Trevon Digg, when you look 266 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: at the film four or five, six mental Eras and Bust, 267 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: it is obvious that it is too complicated for him. 268 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes the coach has to step in and say, hey, 269 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: I got to help the young fellow, Let's make it 270 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: as easy as possible so I can let him play 271 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: to his town. So along that same line, Bucky, I mean, 272 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: I think we laid it out pretty well going into 273 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: this game. You know that they're going to try to 274 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: run the ball, But I almost feel like maybe you 275 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: just make peace with that in an effort to protect 276 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: yourself in the passing game. I mean that is that 277 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: kind of what you're saying is because I'd rather I 278 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: think I'd rather let Nick Chubb run all over me 279 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: than give up you know, these these game changing plays 280 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: like we saw in Seattle. I mean, do you just 281 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of live with with dying slow deaths via the 282 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: running game? I mean, is that a preferable strategy? I mean, 283 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: I think you can do that. And they're defensive coinators 284 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: around the league that will look at a team and 285 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: they will say, you know what we'll do. We will 286 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: be willing to see if they're willing to run the 287 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: ball over and over and over again, is their offensive 288 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: coordinator patient enough to be able to do it? And 289 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: can they score points on the running game? So that 290 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: certainly can be a thing where the Cowboys line up 291 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: in a seven man box and they say that abe, 292 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: we're going to take it away. You can selectively bring pressure. 293 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: But I think here's the big thing that has been 294 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: a kind of revelation to me. I thought that Mike 295 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Nolan was going to be a lot more aggressive when 296 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: it came to wanting to be multiple and having a 297 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: defense that's very varied, but we're seeing in critical downs 298 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: he refuses to dial up pressure, and so in talking 299 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: to people, they say, look, that's kind of how he is. 300 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: He's very conservative when it comes to that. He's not 301 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: going to bring a lot of blitzes because he just 302 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: thinks that he can kind of stop him with a 303 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: base defense. And what we're seeing if the front four 304 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: can't get home and you can't cover in the back end, 305 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it just makes it very, very problematic. He 306 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: has to determine what is the best course of action, 307 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: and it may be sit in, die a slow death 308 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: and hope that they can be great in the red zone. 309 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: You can have as many yards as you want to 310 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: inside the twenty between the twenties, but once we get 311 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: into the twenties, we spend all of our time really 312 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: working on our red zone defense, and we can make 313 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: you kick field goals as opposed to score in touchdowns. 314 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: That's a win for the defense. Yeah. The one thing 315 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: I will say about dying that slow death. The only 316 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: problem with that is even when the Cowboys tend to 317 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: keep both their safeties back, they're still getting beating coverage. 318 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know that you necessarily say when you're 319 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: gonna put that guy, that extra guy down somehow that's 320 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna make a difference. We saw it last week in 321 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: that first touchdown. Both safeties were back and they still 322 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: bust at the coverage. Guy gets behind them and you 323 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: get an easy, quick touchdown. So I don't know how 324 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: much that helps, but I do think it's something that 325 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to pay attention to this week. All right, 326 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: Bucky Man, we appreciate you joining you go ahead, good, Yeah, 327 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate Yeah. Now you're right about the safety. So 328 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: here's the problem. Like they gambled. They had Darren Thompson 329 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: and Xavier was and they thought those guys would be 330 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: good enough, and they changed to that split safety defense, 331 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: which is the old defense that they used to have 332 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: success with Jimmy Johnson and those guys quarters coverage. But 333 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: you're safeties have to understand exactly what they're doing, and 334 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: right now appears that those guys are lost with the 335 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: corners being lost and even the linebackers being lost. So 336 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: they just need more time to figure out how to 337 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: play that coverage that's going to be their base coverage. 338 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, real quick. Before we let you go, Bucky, 339 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: I did want to ask you about this because you 340 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: may you may have some perspective on this before Clinton, 341 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: how Dix got to the Cowboys was the what was 342 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: the scouting report on him last season? What were the 343 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: things he did well and not so well that you 344 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: think may have led to the decision that the Cowboys 345 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: are like, you know, we can do without him and 346 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: we'll go with these other two guys at safety, which 347 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: one Clint Dix? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the big thing 348 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: with high Clint Dix he wasn't a great tackler. And 349 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: when you would talk to people around the league, they 350 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: would just say, he's an okay player now because he 351 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: was a first round player, because he's been to a 352 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Sometimes the reputation exceeds what the player really is, 353 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: and so they thought he would be solid. They thought 354 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: he would be a nice When I talk to people 355 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: around the league, they thought he'd be a nice stop 356 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: gap player, someone that could kind of be the community kat, 357 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: the traffic cup. I don't know what happened in training 358 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: camp where they felt like they were better on better 359 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: off without him, but there was a thought that he 360 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: would be just a solid communicator. You'll be able to 361 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: kind of talk to the young guys and provide some 362 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: leadership ability, even though he had some flaws and deficiencies 363 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: in his game. All makes sense. All right, man, we 364 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: appreciate you join us. We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna 365 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: talk a lot about this Cleveland defense. And I know 366 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: I saw you had a little interesting conversation on Twitter 367 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: about the Cowboys in their offense and how they approached games. 368 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you a little bit about 369 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: that tomorrow. We'll get into that, all right. All right, man, 370 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: thanks so much. 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We're talking about Cowboys 414 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: off I'm sorry Cowboys defense versus the Cleveland Brown offense, 415 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: and I have some questions for you guys around that topic, 416 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: just to get your opinions on kind of how you 417 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: think that matchup works for the Cowboys. First question, Dallas 418 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: has faced this has faced the third, the fourth, and 419 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: the eighth offenses in their first three games. Those are 420 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: all top ten offenses as far as the numbers that 421 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: they've put up offensively, right, Cleveland's ranked thirty first in offense. 422 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: Is there more reason to believe it's because these offenses 423 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: are that good or the Cowboys defense is that bad? 424 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Because obviously for them to get to three, four and 425 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: eight it also has to do with who they faced 426 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys defense, as we know, it's pretty porous. 427 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: So which do you put it more on? Do you 428 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: think the Cowboys offenses, I mean that these other offenses 429 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: are really that greater, or do you think gets more 430 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: of the Cowboys defense. Let's start with you, Nick Well, 431 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: I think that's a good point that you know, the 432 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys defense is a third of the reason why they're 433 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: up there so high. But like we said yesterday, you 434 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: know these are established teams, established quarterbacks that have been 435 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: to you know, the playoffs and even been to the 436 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the last few years. Uh, Matt Ryan, 437 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, of course, Russell Wilson. I guess it's been 438 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: a few years for Russell, but he's playing outstanding, so, um, 439 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, and it's different these next you know, three games. 440 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, they've got Baker Mayfield, you 441 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: got Daniel Jones, you got Kyler Murray, got inexperienced guys. 442 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: They're they're drafted high, but inexperience. So I think it's 443 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: probably more about the um the just the offenses that 444 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: they've faced, and you know, not so much that I mean, 445 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: the defense struggling, there's no doubt about it, but I'm 446 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: just saying that, yeah, it'll get easier with the offenses 447 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: that they face. Amber I guess, um, if you look 448 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: at it that way, looking at the opposing offenses that 449 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: they face so far, you can make that argument. At 450 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: the same time, I don't think it's to either extent. 451 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys defense is that bad, but 452 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: at the same time, they I don't think they have 453 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: been playing to their potential, and there are things in 454 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: their game that we've seen where it's just simple things 455 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: that need to be cleaned up. They need to overall 456 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: as a unit, play better football, clean up their game, 457 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: quit making the mistakes that we've seen. And yes, it 458 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: might be a cause of facing better teams. But at 459 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: the same times, there are just basic things that I 460 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys need to improve. So hopefully, hopefully 461 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: we start seeing them play better. But I do think 462 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: that their defense is just not that great but also 463 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: not that bad. Okay, Dave's where's the gift of my 464 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: roll from the taco commercial? Why not both? Why can't 465 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: Why can't they play good offenses and also be bad? Um? Yeah, 466 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: you play Matt you know you play Matt Ryan Russell 467 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: Wilson MVPs super Bowl guys, it is going to be tough, 468 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: and they deserve a little bit of leeway for that. 469 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: At the same time, two straight weeks where receivers are 470 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: just standing, you know, by themselves, that's I just I 471 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: can't let that go. At the NFL level, that's not 472 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: supposed to happen. It's hard enough to stop points from 473 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: being scored when you do things right, let alone when 474 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst and Tyler Lockett are just like, but where 475 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: is everybody? Oh, there we go, So that that's just 476 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: not good and that's the type of stuff that even 477 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: bad offenses can't exploit. So they get credit for going 478 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: against some really good offenses, but some of those breakdowns 479 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: are troubling no matter who you play. Yeah, that was 480 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: gonna lead to the question of are we evaluating this 481 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: defense too harshly? But I think you guys have basically 482 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: said no, we're not like this defense, and I agree 483 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: with you. I think the defense is just not played 484 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: well and it's it's for you, I think precisely the 485 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: reason that Dave hit on, which is it's not just 486 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: that they've given up the points, it's how they've given 487 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: up the points in a lot of instances where you 488 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: just have guys completely open and that's just busted coverage, 489 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: and you're just like, come on, you can do better. 490 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: But that's the part that that we get into. And 491 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: this is the next question. Do you think that if 492 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: that's really the biggest issue that we have with this defense, 493 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: do you think that's correctable? Because busted coverage can be corrected. 494 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: It's one thing if you're getting beaten in man to 495 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: man coverage and you just can't cover the guy. It's 496 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: a whole different thing if it's busted coverage, where it's 497 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: just nobody knew what they were supposed to doing. Are 498 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: certain people didn't know what they were supposed to be doing. 499 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: Do you think this is correctable? Nick? Yeah, I do. 500 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: I do think it's correctable. But it all stems back 501 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: to the pass rush For me, I mean, I just 502 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: don't think that that's I mean, and we've talked about 503 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: this before with other with the other previous coaching staff, 504 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: about the arrogance of the staff of like this is 505 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: how I do things, and this is this is my system. 506 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: When it's not working, can you fix it? And you know, 507 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: we heard Bucky say that about what Mike Nolan doesn't 508 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: usually blitz and call it blitzes. You need to because 509 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: these guys, it doesn't matter what Dlogue, Griffin, Poe, Aldon Smith. 510 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he's Aldon Smith, got three sacks. But I'm 511 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: just saying it's not consistent that across the board that 512 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: this pass rush is getting home. So it doesn't matter 513 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: what their name recognition is, they're not getting there. And 514 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: I think that's where stemspect all the other stuff in 515 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: the back end. I think it's the pass rush, all right, 516 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: Ambury and Dave. I think you guys already answer the questions. 517 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna move to another question for you guys. Dave, 518 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: you have some well real realm. So yeah, sorry, and 519 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: you're you're right, we need to move on. But I 520 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: did think and I actually wrote a story about it yesterday. 521 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: You can go read it. Jerry Jones had some interesting 522 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: comments about yesterday. I just about that. You know, if 523 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: there's something that gives him optimism, it's that this coaching 524 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: staff should be adaptable. And I thought he made the 525 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: interesting point, which is like, you're not gonna get fired. 526 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: You know that that was always a thing with Jason 527 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Garrett for the last however many years, is that you know, 528 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: the wrong result can cost you your h But but 529 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: nobody on this staff should be worried about that right now, 530 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully that gives them the you know I mean 531 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: right now, yeah, for sure, but I mean hope hopefully 532 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: that should give you the freedom to mess around a 533 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: little bit. And you know, like this isn't this isn't 534 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: the personnel that Mike Nolan probably views as ideal for 535 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: how to do his stuff, Like that's gonna take time, 536 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: so tinker around a little bit adapted. If it's not working, 537 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: throw it out the window until next season. So and 538 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: we saw, I mean, it's a different side of the ball, 539 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: but they were willing to do that with their offensive line, 540 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: like they chunked. They chunked their preferred method out the 541 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: window when they saw that it wasn't working. So that 542 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: at least gives me a little bit of optimism that 543 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: maybe they'll be a little more creative than what we're 544 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: used to seeing. Okay, here's what we got. This next question. 545 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: I want you guys to follow me a little bit 546 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: on this because I'm gonna have to lay it out 547 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: for you and then I want to get your opinions. 548 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: Right now, Cleveland is tied for third and rushing and 549 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: the first in explosive plays. Yeah, seven plays where they've 550 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: at a run for twenty plus yards, So again, their 551 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: running game is really good. Dallas, on the other hand, 552 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: is twenty third in rush defense. However, if you look 553 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: at the numbers a little closer, you'll notice that a 554 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: lot of that is about volume. They have the fourth 555 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: most rush attempts against them, which makes a lot of sense. 556 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: They were in a lot of games where the other 557 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: team had a lead, they start running the ball a 558 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: little bit more so with all those rush attempts they've 559 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: They've other teams have built up more rushing yards. However, 560 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: yards per carry is only tenth in the league. They're 561 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: only giving up three point eight yards per carry. So 562 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: looking at the two and trying to balance the two, 563 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: which you do think plays out here, the Cleveland rush 564 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: offense or who has more I guess more of a 565 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: more of an opportunity to do well this weekend Cleveland 566 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: rush offense or the Dallas rush defense. Let's start first 567 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: with you, Amber. I want to say Dallas, but I 568 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: just I don't trust them right now. I don't trust 569 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: the rush defense regardless of these numbers, and in comparison 570 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: to what Cleveland is currently doing with their rushers, I 571 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: just don't don't see it balancing too well there. I 572 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: think that Cleveland is gonna be able to run the 573 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: ball and the Cowboys are gonna give up some big plays. 574 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: And when you talk about explosive plays, yeah, it could 575 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: only take one. I mean I think you mentioned about 576 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: them only giving up one big rushing play, explosive play, 577 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: So those are things that it could only just take 578 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: one play like that to give them the gay the 579 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: gay the game, sorry, give them the game and let 580 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: them win. So in this one, I'm not completely loving 581 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: the matchup here. I think that the Cowboys defense should 582 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: be able to hold them up a little bit, but 583 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't think it 584 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: will be enough. Everyone else is gonna have to help, 585 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: and the defensive line it's gonna have to put their 586 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: part and try to help the linebackers, Dave. If the 587 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Browns are arrogant enough to just charge right at them, 588 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: then I like the Cowboys chances honestly, because you know 589 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: people are tired of hearing it. DeMarcus Lawrence is really 590 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: good against the run. Jalen Smith is probably at his 591 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: best when he can just crash toward the line of 592 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: scrimmage and hit somebody. The problem is, is Cleveland gonna 593 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: be that arrogant or are we going to see counters 594 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: in misdirection Because that's the stuff that gave them trouble 595 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: against the Rams was misdirection, Like they weren't terrible when 596 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: when Malcolm Brown was just charging right at them. The 597 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: Rams won the game, obviously, but but it wasn't awful. 598 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: Same thing with Todd Gurley. Um so if that's what 599 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: the Browns want to do, I think the Cowboys will 600 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: hold up. But I have a feeling that's not what 601 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: they'll do, and hopefully they're a lot more prepared for 602 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: it this week than they have been in past weeks. Nick, Well, 603 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: this is kind of a tricky one because when you 604 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: look at the Browns, you know, they beat the Redskins 605 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: and the and the Bengals. Okay, those two teams that 606 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: were you know, first and second pick overall. Um, huh, 607 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: whatever this is gonna take. Used to apologize Ravens. Uh, 608 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: they gotta beat thirty eight to six. But in that game, 609 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: they you know, Kareem Hunt seventy two yards and Nick 610 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Chubb sixty yards and they're getting beat the whole game. 611 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: So they're still running the football. But you know, to 612 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: Dave's point, I think I think it's it's it's good. 613 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: I would rather if I'm in the Cowboys defense, I 614 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: would rather them run the ball, run the ball and 615 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: not get beat with big plays. But you know, do 616 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: you trust Baker Mayfield to really to really hurt you, 617 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, or do you want to get after him 618 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: and say, you know, like Seattle didn't say we'll stop 619 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: the run. I don't know if this guy can beat us, 620 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: So it's got to be a combination of both. I mean, 621 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: but they they better blitz Baker Mayfield more because he's 622 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: he's not that mobile where he where you can't get away. 623 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: You know, he's not in Russell will so of course, 624 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: and I don't trust his arm the same, so I 625 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: think you gotta get after him as well. All right, 626 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break when we come back. 627 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: I do want to talk a little bit more about 628 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: what you just mentioned, Nick with Baker Mayfield and the 629 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: strategy for the Cowboys. Do you load up and try 630 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: to stop the run and make Baker meet beat you, 631 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: or do you stay back and play your conventional defense 632 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: that you've been playing and just take whatever comes to 633 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: you on the run defense? Or trust trust the fact 634 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: that your front six or seven can stop the run. 635 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that when we come right back. 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The last time 683 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: we had a home game, it was nice to be 684 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: in the stadium and actually have football being played in 685 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: front of you. I'm sure Amber and Dave would agree 686 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: with that. It was it was kind of cool to 687 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: be in that environment. So I just want them to 688 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: bring back the bacon, egg and cheese Croissan. That's really all. 689 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: It is a new game, so there is a real 690 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: possibility we will get that again. And you know I 691 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: much I love food, so I'm all in with you 692 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: on that. You know, Dave, we hadn't had a chance 693 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: yet to talk about college football. You want to take 694 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 1: a segment to kind of catch us up on what's 695 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: happening there. Hey, everybody knew that. You know, when you 696 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: have a season that good, you're gonna come down a 697 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: little bit. But that's all right because those memories last 698 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: a lifetime. Even if Saturday was Saturday sucked, man. I mean, 699 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: we could get into it if you want to. I 700 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I actually don't want to get into like 701 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: go ahead. It's like when you wait, It's like when 702 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: you wait all year for Christmas morning and then you're 703 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: it's not even socks. It's like it's like if you're 704 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: you wait all year for Christmas morning and your parents 705 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: like gave you like school supplies, like it just it sucked. Yeah, 706 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: that's okay. I don't think any of us, any of 707 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: us were happy with our college team performance on Saturday, 708 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: but you know, it is what it is. And I 709 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: was happy to have college football back. We did win, 710 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: but I was not happy at all. So it is. 711 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: It's just part of it, all right. Let's jump back 712 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: in cow Do we do this to ourselves? I know, 713 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: but it's the fun of it, right, It's the love 714 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: hate relationship you have with football, all right. So Cowboys 715 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: defense versus Cleveland offense. And before the break, I kind 716 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: of teed up the question I have for you guys 717 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: at this point Strategically, do you think it's better for 718 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys to load up to stop the run knowing 719 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: that this team runs the ball really really well. I 720 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: know you got the options out there at wide receiver, 721 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: but as you were saying, Nick before the break, I 722 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: don't know that any of us thinks that the trigger 723 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: man is a guy that that really is gonna kill you. 724 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: So that all being said, do you think Cowboys should 725 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: load up stop the run or do you think they 726 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: just play back and trust the fact that they they're 727 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: six or seven in the box, are gonna be able 728 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: to get it done stopping the run. Let's start first 729 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: with you, Nick. I think you gotta you gotta see 730 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: if Baker Mayfield can beat you. You know, obviously, you 731 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: know he's a Heisman Trophy winner, number one pick. He's 732 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: got some you know, he's got that it factor, moxie, 733 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: he's got all that stuff. But you know he does 734 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: he doesn't have that The arms drink the same and 735 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: you know he's still he still doesn't have all those intangibles, um, 736 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: you know, to beat you, you know consistently. I don't 737 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: that I haven't seen yet. So well, I think you 738 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta stop. What you know that they can 739 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: do is run the ball, get close to that line 740 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: of scrimmage and just make him uncomfortable. Amber. I agree 741 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: with everything that Nick said. I think that the Cowboys 742 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: should put their focus on energy in trying to stop 743 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: the run and then trying to pressure him when he's 744 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: trying to throw it past, just make him uncomfortable, and 745 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: then hope that your secondary. I am hoping that the 746 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: secondary is able to make a comeback this game and start, 747 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: hopefully creating some takeaways. There's been times where we've seen 748 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: the secondary be like super close in certain places and 749 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen. So I hope that because of 750 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: the quarterback that they'll be facing this weekend, that they 751 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: are able to kind of redeem themselves a little bit 752 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: as far as the secondary goes, and able to just 753 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: create some takeaways. Dave, I don't think I could disagree 754 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: with y'all more. And maybe it's maybe it's recency bias 755 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: because of what we watched on Sunday, But you know, 756 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: six Flags over Texas is right next door to the stadium, 757 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: and I want, I want, I want to play too 758 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: high this entire game, and I want my safeties at 759 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: six Flags, like that's what I want. I'm gonna sit 760 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: back and I'm gonna say Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, 761 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: you chew up all the yard as you want between 762 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: the twenties, but we're not letting anybody go to the 763 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,720 Speaker 1: house from fifty sixty yards away. That ain't happening, because 764 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: it's very it's possible, but it's very unlikely that running 765 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: backs are going to turn this game on its head. 766 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, even you know the NFL level, it's very 767 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: rare to see runs of more than fifteen, twenty twenty 768 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: five yards. It happens, and they're leading the lead, in 769 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: leading the league in that they are they are, but hey, 770 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: that drop the safeties back. If they run for thirty yards, 771 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: that sucks, But it's better than a seventy yard touchdown. 772 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: And guess what, Odell Beckham can absolutely turn a game 773 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: on his head by himself. The Bengals were playing the 774 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: Browns fairly close a couple weeks ago until it all 775 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: changed on a forty five yard Odell Beckham touchdown. And 776 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: that's what I'm worried about. So chew up all that 777 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: yard as you want. We're gonna let you get to 778 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: the red zone and our hope is that we're going 779 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: to force you to kick field goals. But I think 780 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, the passing game is how you turn a 781 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: game on a dime. And I can't afford to let 782 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: that happen this week. So that's that's how I feel. 783 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: I'm playing those safeties all the way back all day long. 784 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna flip back to Nick's question he had for 785 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and I want to start a day with 786 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: this question because I remember, David, I had this conversation 787 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: back when Baker was being drafted, and you were a 788 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: believer in Baker back then, And so my question is 789 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: for you, I guess, from Nick's standpoint, is it a 790 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: busted pick? Are you still a believer in what you 791 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: saw of him coming into the league and what he's 792 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: turned out to be to this point in his career. 793 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I do like Baker. I mean I was. 794 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: I was as surprised as anybody when he went number one. 795 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that that was the right decision, but 796 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 1: I still think he's a good quarterback. And I thought 797 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: Bucky made the case very well himself, as you know, 798 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: I mean, as Jared Goff a busted pick. I mean, 799 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: you can obviously get to a super Bowl with him. 800 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: You need the right combination of coach and scheme, and 801 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: there's got to be talent around him. But like I'm 802 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: honestly I'm so sick of that narrative, Like they're just 803 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: aren't very many quarterbacks that can get it done without 804 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: a lot of help right now. It's it's probably Russell 805 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. And as much as we all 806 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: think of Patrick Mahomes, we've never seen him have to 807 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: do it all himself. He's got the best receiver corps 808 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: in the best tight end in the league. He's had 809 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: good running backs his whole career. He's got the best 810 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: right tackle in the league, or one of them. So, 811 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, I absolutely think Baker can still be successful. 812 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: He's got to have the right talent around him. But 813 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's questioning right now Baker's talent around him. 814 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: I mean, as Buckie said, his talent right says, his 815 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: talents better than the teams of Cowboys that face so far. 816 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got talent. No, you're You're absolutely right. 817 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a first round pick at left tackle, 818 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: he's got a big money free agent at right tackle. 819 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 1: He's got two great receivers, he's got two great backs. 820 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean, if if this season is disappointing, I don't 821 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: want to hear a whole lot of excuses, but right now, 822 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: I think I think the jury is still out. I 823 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: want to I mean, I want to see how the 824 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: Brown's fair this season and how Baker plays. Obviously, I 825 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: don't watch every snap of his career the way that 826 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: I do with Dak Prescott, so it's definitely early to 827 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: say it's a busted pick. But I do think that 828 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: the Browns can build a contender with Baker Mayfield as 829 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: their quarterback. Camber, do you have an opinion on Baker 830 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: Mayfield as the quarterback? I think that anytime you're drafted 831 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: first round, you have big expectations for someone like that, 832 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: and the way that he's been playing and the way 833 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: that the Browns have been kind of trying to rebuild 834 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: their team. I think it does take a certain amount 835 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: of time for that too, for you to start seeing 836 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: the returns on that whole investment of everything. So I 837 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: don't think he's a complete bust. I would like to 838 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: give him a little bit more time to see how 839 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: he turns out the rest of the season, But as 840 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: of right now, I don't think it's fair for me 841 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: to kind of completely rush based on all the changes 842 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: that the Browns have been making in order to make 843 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 1: their team more successful. Nick Well, I mean I didn't 844 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: like to pick at the time, mainly because because you know, 845 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: he had the first and fourth overall pick. I just 846 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: thought I would have I would have done that differently. 847 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: I still think you could get you know, there's the 848 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: irony here is that I always said I think you 849 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: could get some something at the top of the second round, 850 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: very comfortable, you know, to Baker Mayfield. As it turns out, 851 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: I would have taken se Quon Barkley. But I think 852 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: the guy, the running back that they got at the 853 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 1: top of the second round, Nick chubp is probably he's 854 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: not the same as as Barkley, but he's he's really good. 855 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: He's really good. So he said that next year, and 856 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: so you know it to me, I would have taken 857 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson, you know, with the guard, I would have 858 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: taken him at like fourth and then probably Barkley and him. 859 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: But you know, he Baker came in there and and 860 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: you know turned it around. I mean, that was a terrible, 861 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: terrible franchise, and you know he's turned it around and 862 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: he's got some help around him. I just I just 863 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: think when everything Bucky was describing of what he needs 864 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: to help win. Just doesn't sound like the number one 865 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: overall pick. But I mean Joe Burrows trying to do 866 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: the same thing. He's taking a very struggling franchise. You know, 867 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: he was a much better college player. I think Dave 868 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: would agree, and uh, you know, I mean he doesn't 869 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: have a mini holes in his game. So but he's 870 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: still it's gonna he's doing this by himself too, so 871 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. I will say this, like, Baker 872 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: has way more talent than anything Burrow's working with at 873 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: this point. And you look at this team. Hey, I 874 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: want those out there that haven't watched the Cleveland Browns 875 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: just no going into this game. They got a ton 876 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: of talent, like they haven't been able to over the 877 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: last whatever number of years to be able to make 878 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: it matter as much for them on the field with 879 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: their wins and losses. But just the raw talent they 880 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: got on that team, it's impressive, because it is absolutely impressive. 881 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: I mean, when you when you're terrible, like four or 882 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: five years in a row, like you're gonna get a 883 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: lot of good picks. You know, the Carolina did that too. 884 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: They all of a sudden like, oh, they're good now 885 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: because they they've been bad for it's the Washington defensive line. 886 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: Like they got a great set of talent, amount of 887 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: talent there on that defensive line, but it's because they've 888 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: had picks for so long down at the top of 889 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: the draft, and so it just happens like that. David, 890 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: you have something you want to say, I didn't know. 891 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm not really I just I guess That's kind of 892 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: my point is, even even if you are worthy of 893 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: being the number one pick, it's very hard to do 894 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: it yourself. Like there aren't There are not a lot 895 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: of number one overall drafted quarterbacks that went on to 896 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: have amazing careers. You know, Peyton Manning obviously is one, 897 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: and Cam Newton off the top of my head. But like, 898 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: when you go into a situation like that, unless the 899 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: team is good at putting talent around you, like, it 900 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: breaks a lot of guys. So I'm not ready to 901 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to hate on Baker too much, but 902 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's year three. He's got talent, it's 903 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: time to deliver it. And honestly, it reminds me a 904 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: lot of what we said about dak a couple of 905 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: years ago, and Dak has risen to the occasion in 906 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: my opinion, and it's it's time for Baker to start 907 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: doing the same. Absolutely, all right, appreciate you guys joining us. 908 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: We are back tomorrow. We're going to get into this 909 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: Cleveland defense versus the Cowboys offense. Lots to talk about there. 910 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back tomorrow. Until then. For Nick Eatman, 911 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: Dave Helmant Amber Garcia. I am Derek Hilton. This has 912 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 913 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 914 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.