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Speaker 2: That's right tonight on stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 2: listener mail, we're talking attention spans, more exploding devices, nocturnally
Speaker 2: missions and more. Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I hid that one in there. It's going to be
Speaker 2: a surprise for Noel.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Hey, but first, before we get started, let's hear a
Speaker 2: quick voicemail from a certain so and so who just
Speaker 2: hit us to a thing that we've all been watching.
Speaker 2: But it is something we need to be paying more
Speaker 2: attention to.
Speaker 4: Here we go, this is Scorpion.
Speaker 5: I think that you should take a look at some
Speaker 5: of the stuff that current President Trump has been doing,
Speaker 5: specifically regarding declassifying files regarding the JFK, DAVE LK, and RFK,
Speaker 5: and so that the rumor is right now that a
Speaker 5: unprecedented number of documents are about to be declassified and
Speaker 5: releases in the public. So that might be something for you
Speaker 5: guys to take a look at. All right, feel free
Speaker 5: to use this if you so desire. Again, this is
Speaker 5: long time off.
Speaker 3: Oh, Matt, have you actually read any of these executive orders?
Speaker 3: Like the language of them is very fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: At the very least, the first line by the authority
Speaker 3: vested in me as president by the Constitution and the
Speaker 3: laws of the United States of America. It is hereby
Speaker 3: ordered as follows, and then you know the things that follow,
Speaker 3: which are declassification of JFK, r f K and what's
Speaker 3: the what's the third one MLK of course, yes, and
Speaker 3: you've got real deep knowledge on those MLK tapes, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure through the production of that podcast, you know,
Speaker 3: got a sense of what might be in some of
Speaker 3: these these documents.
Speaker 2: Oh, for certain, I am at the edge of my
Speaker 2: seat waiting basically, and you know, this show, each of
Speaker 2: us as individuals, but also this show as a thing
Speaker 2: has been on those JFK and RFK files as well,
Speaker 2: for gosh, since we've started, and we every couple of years,
Speaker 2: usually with every administration, there's an announcement, Hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to release some more files. We're gonna get a little
Speaker 2: bit more out there, and.
Speaker 6: They do just a little trickle, you know, well, well, yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's true, and they do, and it's it's sometimes
Speaker 6: hundreds of files, sometimes thousands of files, and then it's
Speaker 6: the job of journalists to go through and parse through
Speaker 6: that stuff figure out if there's anything that's worth actually
Speaker 6: telling everybody about and making it a story.
Speaker 3: I asked such a boneheaded question that I will fully
Speaker 3: cop to before we start recording on, Like, so what
Speaker 3: happens next? Are they just going to like make a
Speaker 3: website for it? The government? It's like here it is,
Speaker 3: guys here, That's not how it works. It's all these
Speaker 3: FOYA acts, you know, requests and then you're right, I mean,
Speaker 3: they may declassify it, but it's still just potentially a
Speaker 3: needle in a haystack kind of situation for the folks
Speaker 3: that have to parse through it.
Speaker 2: Like you said, yeah, I am assuming because of the
Speaker 2: weight of this executive order that there will be some
Speaker 2: kind of pr notice, like a public relations first or
Speaker 2: something that comes out, Hey, here are the new files.
Speaker 2: They exist now and you can look at them here.
Speaker 2: It would be pretty amazing to have the entirety of
Speaker 2: all of it just laid out so we would know
Speaker 2: what's happening, but it also could be terrifying.
Speaker 3: Well do you have a sense of what a move
Speaker 3: like this means or what the message is like? Is
Speaker 3: it a we've got nothing to hide kind of situation?
Speaker 3: Is it like it's been long enough, we want to
Speaker 3: give people the truth? Like I just I always kind
Speaker 3: of second guess, these kinds of decisions, you know, from
Speaker 3: a pr standpoint.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: In my mind, everybody is aware at this point that
Speaker 2: there are secrets when it comes to what happened during
Speaker 2: each of those three assassinations, right, what the what the
Speaker 2: government did, how they reacted, what they knew beforehand, all
Speaker 2: of that stuff. There's some secrets in there somewhere that
Speaker 2: none of us know yet, but all of us know
Speaker 2: that those the answers to the questions that remain are
Speaker 2: either going to be damaging to someone, tell Diligence Agency,
Speaker 2: to the government itself, to you know, the way other
Speaker 2: countries view the United States. There's something in there that's
Speaker 2: dangerous and damaging that the stamp of National Security is
Speaker 2: just real bright on that thing.
Speaker 3: But the question is damaging to whom? Like if it
Speaker 3: is a political maneuver, is this something where there's the
Speaker 3: potential for like a previous administration to take a fall
Speaker 3: for it or another you know, not opposing political party.
Speaker 3: I just maybe I'm overthinking it, but it does seem
Speaker 3: like there has to be some maneuvering in that direction.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, this is speculation on my part, but
Speaker 2: I feel as though if you got to the heart
Speaker 2: of the matter. With each of those, you might find
Speaker 2: out some super unsettling things about the FBI and how
Speaker 2: it really functioned. At least that's what the MLK tapes
Speaker 2: kind of got pointed towards. Basically what we uncovered and
Speaker 2: what you and Ben and I have been talking about
Speaker 2: for you know, being almost two decades now, got.
Speaker 3: Well, and I mean maybe to that point, Matt, it
Speaker 3: could well help the argument of you know, we need
Speaker 3: to clean house and restructure government agencies and like redefine
Speaker 3: how these things work because there's too much corruption and
Speaker 3: too little oversight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the sixties there was too much corruption, because
Speaker 2: that's really.
Speaker 3: Mere talking about, right, But I'm just saying, like, if
Speaker 3: there was a political reason for doing something like this
Speaker 3: and the news stories that it'll generate, you know, it
Speaker 3: makes sense that it would be something that a current
Speaker 3: official could point to and justify maybe some of the
Speaker 3: stuff that they're doing, if they even bother needing to
Speaker 3: justify it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, for sure, for sure, But for now we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to just sit around, keep your eyes peeled to
Speaker 2: those internets and see what we find, because it could
Speaker 2: be beautiful. It could be terrifying either way. It's about
Speaker 2: the death of three highly influential, important human beings, so
Speaker 2: it's probably not going to be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and three fascinatingly flawed human beings. Yeah, if you
Speaker 3: really look into their backstories. And I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: I don't know. The history alone is staggering.
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, So let's all pay attention for now.
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Speaker 3: And we're back with a couple of shorties, one with
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Speaker 3: about some strange news actually, but we'll start with a
Speaker 3: message from Sacra Tomato, who is from Sacramento. And I
Speaker 3: first read this, I read it as you can call
Speaker 3: me Sacramento. I'm from Sacramento. Much more clever than that.
Speaker 3: He's a sacred Tomato going on. I read a lot,
Speaker 3: and as I was listening to your podcast on social
Speaker 3: media and attention span, I started thinking about how sometimes
Speaker 3: I'll catch myself finishing a page and realizing I didn't
Speaker 3: absorb a single thing from the last paragraph and go
Speaker 3: back to actually absorb the content. It's like driving subconsciously.
Speaker 3: I think I've started to read to the point that
Speaker 3: I can finish a book and not know what I've
Speaker 3: even read, just like how we can SubCom justly do that.
Speaker 3: Also ironic, I was writing this email while listening to
Speaker 3: a show in low attention span mode. Nice Sacer Tomato,
Speaker 3: I pluge you for your candor here. I have experienced
Speaker 3: this phenomenon more times than I can count, and it
Speaker 3: has actually hindered me from being much of a reader.
Speaker 3: I've really I've mentioned it on the show before, like,
Speaker 3: I've got a goal that I want to, like read
Speaker 3: a handful of these wonderful books and music biographies and
Speaker 3: fiction that I've bought over the last few years but
Speaker 3: have not been able to crack because of this very thing.
Speaker 3: I'll start reading, I'll find myself thinking about something else
Speaker 3: while still reading the words. But to Ben's point, you
Speaker 3: can't multitask. You're not fully thinking about the thing outside
Speaker 3: of what you're doing, and you're also not fully processing
Speaker 3: the information that you're taking in while doing that, And
Speaker 3: I find myself rereading whole pages and still having a
Speaker 3: hard time feeling like I'm retaining. And so my goal
Speaker 3: this year is to really do some of the things
Speaker 3: we were talking about of limiting screen time. A friend
Speaker 3: of mine turned me onto an app, actually, I think
Speaker 3: one of probably many that sort of limits your screen
Speaker 3: time and it sort of locks you out and gives
Speaker 3: a lots you little bits of time. Obviously you can
Speaker 3: always bypass it, but I wish I knew the name
Speaker 3: of it. But I mean, this type of app certainly
Speaker 3: is is a thing, and for good reason. Right, But
Speaker 3: have you experienced this, Matt with trying to sit down
Speaker 3: and really take in a book.
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, it's a bit different for me. Most
Speaker 2: of my reading now occurs on a screen, and it's
Speaker 2: usually an article or you know.
Speaker 3: Part of the problem, isn't it. We're so we're doing
Speaker 3: the thing that is limiting our attentions ban for our work,
Speaker 3: and then we also still live in that same ecosystem
Speaker 3: for pleasure, and it starts to the lines get really blurry.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt. I just it occurs to me
Speaker 3: that that's exactly true for me as well. But I
Speaker 3: find that it just bolsters my screen dependency.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I've noticed that I use the same
Speaker 2: rules with reading as I do for psychedelic drugs. Okay,
Speaker 2: which is a little weird. It's set and setting for me, okay.
Speaker 2: And so if I prepare myself to read, I prepare
Speaker 2: my environment to read, and I you know, make it.
Speaker 2: I actively think about where I'm going to be, how
Speaker 2: I'm going to be sitting, what the light's going to
Speaker 2: be like yep, and then I go and I do
Speaker 2: that thing I can focus in on just that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I recently bought some really cool record sholves that
Speaker 3: are more like the kind you might see in a
Speaker 3: record store, and it's caused me to really enjoy my
Speaker 3: record collection more records, flip through and put something on.
Speaker 3: And I've been doing that constantly because the act of
Speaker 3: picking out and putting on a record and listening to
Speaker 3: the span of time that it takes to fill up
Speaker 3: one side of that record, and in that time, like
Speaker 3: focusing on doing the task and using that the kind
Speaker 3: of mark time. I've tried to be more intentional just
Speaker 3: with my you know, around the house time, and I
Speaker 3: think I'm going to next goal for me is to
Speaker 3: figure out that set and setting for reading a book.
Speaker 3: Maybe it involves putting on a record. Maybe it's a
Speaker 3: type of record, like an ambient you know, electronic instrumental
Speaker 3: record or something, and then I read for the duration
Speaker 3: of one side of the record, you know, and then
Speaker 3: maybe take a little pause, flip it over, read a
Speaker 3: little more, and if I can consume it maybe in
Speaker 3: chunks like that, maybe I can manage my attention span
Speaker 3: better and almost I don't know, retrain that muscle, because
Speaker 3: it atrophies, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. It's been a long
Speaker 2: time since I've been so I was going to use
Speaker 2: the word enraptured, since I was so stuck in a
Speaker 2: book and excited about its contents that I would just
Speaker 2: pick it up and read it, even if there are
Speaker 2: people talking around me, even if there's stuff going on
Speaker 2: in my world, that I would just sit and look
Speaker 2: at a book and read it.
Speaker 3: I forgot what that feels a long time, and I
Speaker 3: want to get that back. It's a wonderful feeling. And
Speaker 3: you know, Ben is such a voracious reader, and I
Speaker 3: really envy him a lot of times, Like I've been
Speaker 3: on long flights with him where I've seen him finish
Speaker 3: a book, like you know, on a six hour flight
Speaker 3: to the West coast or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's amazing. It's a super power.
Speaker 3: It is indeed, Well, thank you, Sakra Tomato. We hear you,
Speaker 3: We support you in your struggle. We're honestly right there
Speaker 3: with you. Moving on to a message from our pal,
Speaker 3: the Stoned Coyote, but in this situation, he's referring to
Speaker 3: himself by the new more fiery moniker, the combustible Coyote,
Speaker 3: and you'll see by in a second. Hey guys, I
Speaker 3: hope you are seeing this. The tact deck has shown
Speaker 3: to be effective with the pagers and radios, so it
Speaker 3: only makes sense that others are going to find ways
Speaker 3: to implement it. And I should have copied and pasted.
Speaker 3: He probably had a really clever subject line for this email,
Speaker 3: like exploding goggles or something like that, but I left
Speaker 3: that out. But he is in fact talking about a
Speaker 3: news story that he linked to on Business Insider about
Speaker 3: drone headsets, and Matt, maybe you know a little bit
Speaker 3: more about the tech here, but I'm imagining this is
Speaker 3: like these are military grade drone headsets that go along
Speaker 3: with piloting a small drone. It would be a heads
Speaker 3: up display like of like an on board camera, you know,
Speaker 3: on the device that you would be able to like,
Speaker 3: you know, monitor maybe have some stats or you know,
Speaker 3: what's the word like pitch and y'aw kind of like
Speaker 3: flight simulator type, some sort of center radical or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have you heard much about these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a bunch of bunch of different versions
Speaker 2: and you know, upgrades that are constantly happening, and it's
Speaker 2: a it's a technology that is just honestly skyrocketing when
Speaker 2: it comes to innovation. Some of them are full on
Speaker 2: like virtual environments that you go into, you know, and
Speaker 2: some of them are.
Speaker 3: A little yep, I'm seeing it now, VR headsets. That
Speaker 3: sounds incredible, It doesn't that kind of like make the
Speaker 3: idea of flying and drones sound a whole lot more fun.
Speaker 3: But also if you were using in the military capacity,
Speaker 3: a whole lot more precise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh and quite frankly terrifying.
Speaker 3: No one million, I'm sorry. I always kind of get
Speaker 3: hung up and not hung up, but excited about the
Speaker 3: nerdy tech side of it before I then realize the
Speaker 3: kind of long term humanity ramifications of some of these
Speaker 3: kind of things. I try to live somewhere between those
Speaker 3: two extremes for sure. For sure, Well, in any case,
Speaker 3: these things are exploding on people's heads, Russian troops heads.
Speaker 3: In fact, there's an article I referenced, or actually that
Speaker 3: the muscible coyote referenced on Business Insider by Mia Jenkowik's
Speaker 3: drone headsets sent to Russian troops were booby trapped to
Speaker 3: explode when switched on, State media says, and that state
Speaker 3: news agency is TASS. They say that the sabotaged headsets
Speaker 3: were supplied via humanitarian aid. That's interesting. I guess I
Speaker 3: never really thought of humanitarian aid doling out military gear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go, let just on that note. Let's go
Speaker 2: to the source for sure. Please, where how did Business
Speaker 2: Insider hear about this? Well, they heard about it from Igor.
Speaker 3: Popov much better. Whichever potato Potapov.
Speaker 2: He is, quote a spokesperson for the Russian manufacturer JSC NPP,
Speaker 2: and he told a state controlled news agency at we
Speaker 2: got well. But but this is a spokesperson for a
Speaker 2: Russian manufacturer speaking to a state controlled news agency, and
Speaker 2: they are saying that an individual donated the goggles, as
Speaker 2: you married humanitarian aids. So like some person, this guy
Speaker 2: is telling a stake troll thing some person. It feels,
Speaker 2: it feels it's way down the line there, right, So
Speaker 2: it's we're not saying this isn't true necessarily, it's just
Speaker 2: like sounds like something.
Speaker 3: Is that just a box that you tick when you
Speaker 3: donate military VR drones to a government, to a country.
Speaker 2: What are one of the biggest threats facing you know,
Speaker 2: the Russian military right now as they operate in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: What are one of the biggest threats that Ukrainian soldiers
Speaker 2: and you know, citizens are facing right now? It is
Speaker 2: these drones, absolutely, And those drones. It's like the actual
Speaker 2: body of the drone is designed to either hold explosives
Speaker 2: or carry explosives, and you know, in this case there's
Speaker 2: high explosives at least according to the story inside the headset.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to take out the person that's trying
Speaker 2: to take out the verse soldiers.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this article is answering literally every single question
Speaker 3: that I posed at the top. Pot Topop said the
Speaker 3: goggles were a brand Skyzone Cobra x V four and
Speaker 3: they're used to, just as I was maybe conjecturing, provide
Speaker 3: a first person view when controlling these drones. And again
Speaker 3: I also imagine that it has a you know, x
Speaker 3: Y type role and all of that stuff as well.
Speaker 3: He added, as quoting directly from the Business Insider piece,
Speaker 3: that when the military opened the batch, they found plastic
Speaker 3: explosives and all of the products nikes. They don't go
Speaker 3: into detail about like did this literally blow people's heads off?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that the implication, Matt, I.
Speaker 2: Mean potentially, But in this case, they're just saying they
Speaker 2: open up a shipment and maybe they had some some
Speaker 2: way of testing the product for or narcotics or whatever
Speaker 2: they were doing, you know, some kind of customs system
Speaker 2: where they got a shipment in, they checked them out
Speaker 2: and they found plastic explosives. And I'm assuming anybody and
Speaker 2: everybody who was buying sourcing electronic devices for their military
Speaker 2: right or for military use, I'm assuming everybody right now
Speaker 2: is checking everything.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I mean, this is the statement from Potopov
Speaker 3: is just so or Patapov is just so straightforward. It
Speaker 3: just says when the glasses were turned on, they detonated
Speaker 3: and exploded. There's no mention of like were they on
Speaker 3: a person or again, like you said, were they being tested.
Speaker 3: But it's a good point, Matt, because this does go
Speaker 3: back to a story that we covered pretty in depth.
Speaker 3: All those exploding pagers and walkie talkies that's plagued hesbola.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, very dangerous situation for an individual human
Speaker 2: when that stuff's happening and right, and if you're on
Speaker 2: the wrong side of wherever is attempting to sabotage your tech, yep,
Speaker 2: all you gotta do usually is turn it on or
Speaker 2: have a signal sent to it, depending on how the
Speaker 2: device is triggered, and then it's over. In this case,
Speaker 2: there is a telegram account that allegedly showed stuff right
Speaker 2: like you you can see. I'm looking at images right
Speaker 2: now of what appears to be plastic explosive in a
Speaker 2: fairly tight container that would be a part of this
Speaker 2: br headset.
Speaker 3: I gotta wonder when you look at like you know, tech,
Speaker 3: when you open it up and you look at like
Speaker 3: a printed circuit board and all the little components. I've
Speaker 3: been doing a lot of that with all this modular
Speaker 3: garbage that I mess with. There are little capacitors and
Speaker 3: little things they're soldered onto one of these circuit boards,
Speaker 3: and they sometimes are a little round kind of plastic
Speaker 3: things with a coating on them. I do wonder is
Speaker 3: it that little because it wouldn't be enough C four
Speaker 3: when maybe that's just too generic a term for plastic explosives,
Speaker 3: but that's what I remember from like the Diehard movies.
Speaker 3: If it was just a small amount, it would be
Speaker 3: enough to really really injure somebody, but not like enough
Speaker 3: to take out a building or something. So I'm wondering, Yeah,
Speaker 3: are they literally sneaking it in it's disguised as some
Speaker 3: of these soldered on components.
Speaker 2: Uh no, in this case, imagine the housing, like the
Speaker 2: side housing, that would be a plastic piece that goes
Speaker 2: over the metal components to kind of give the product
Speaker 2: a shape or something. In between that piece of plastic
Speaker 2: and the actual metal part, the internal metal part, there's
Speaker 2: plastic explosive. It looks kind of like putty spread throughout
Speaker 2: that like flat surface, and it appears to be about
Speaker 2: the side like maybe half the size of a cell phone,
Speaker 2: at least that's what it looks like from the images
Speaker 2: I'm seeing. So it's designed to take out personnel, like
Speaker 2: a single person whoever is going to use this device.
Speaker 2: It'll take that person out, but it's probably not going
Speaker 2: to you know, damage what.
Speaker 3: I was suggesting, but not enough to like take out
Speaker 3: a facility like this is like, oh ye, a single,
Speaker 3: single serve explosive device.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know we're not the only one making this connection.
Speaker 3: Matthew Ford was a war expert and a lecturer in
Speaker 3: international relations at Sussex University or the University of Sussex.
Speaker 3: He compared it to Israel's attacks on Hesbola and Lebanon
Speaker 3: using those explosive pagers last September. And this kind of
Speaker 3: calls attention, as does the pager story. And to your point,
Speaker 3: matg just like of how important it is to keep
Speaker 3: tight tabs on these supply chains. Because this device that
Speaker 3: we're talking about is available on Amazon currently for like
Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty bucks just the headset controller. I
Speaker 3: guess it can be adapted to control different drones, but
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have thought that, so, I mean, this is
Speaker 3: not some sort of like you know, custom made, small
Speaker 3: run piece of tech. This is like consumer grade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be an interesting trade off. If you
Speaker 2: were going to use your drone to go blow somebody up,
Speaker 2: you also have to blow up at the moment of
Speaker 2: explosions wherever your drone is.
Speaker 3: I like that. I'm yeah, peace on Earth man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll get there real quick with that policy. So well,
Speaker 3: thanks a million to the exploding coyote. Now the combustible coyote.
Speaker 3: Eploding coyote is cool too. That sounds like another you know,
Speaker 3: goth band or something. And then I just wanted to
Speaker 3: read a quick add of boy. I guess sort of.
Speaker 3: I don't know. We don't often read these kinds of messages,
Speaker 3: but I thought it was relevant. Just someone talking about,
Speaker 3: you know, the way we've been discussing Elon Musk and
Speaker 3: like his low key overthrow of the government or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it is, you know, the Doge
Speaker 3: Department or division and his gaggle of young hackers, some
Speaker 3: of whom had some problematic backgrounds. Something's got to be discussed.
Speaker 3: We're experiencing it right alongside everybody else. But Seer just
Speaker 3: wrote in and said, good segment. Guys, don't be too spooked.
Speaker 3: We're all seeing this play out in real time. Be real,
Speaker 3: say what's happening. We listen to be informed. See her,
Speaker 3: that's very swee appreciate that we're doing the best again,
Speaker 3: and it definitely is something to be freaked out about.
Speaker 3: Whatever side of the political aisle you may fall I think, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've all read nineteen eighty four. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: hard to not see some comparisons and talk about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're doing quite a few what what should
Speaker 2: we call lookbacks. We're doing some lookbacks in history just
Speaker 2: to see some other things that have happened in the
Speaker 2: past that some alignments.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, history doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes like Ben
Speaker 3: likes to say, you've seen some pretty firebars from history
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, did anybody Noel happened to catch the the
Speaker 2: thing where Elon's four year old was getting interviewed with him.
Speaker 3: It's weird. Yeah, he said something like us talking about SpaceX,
Speaker 3: like we just do whatever we want or something like that.
Speaker 3: He's like, what it was it that he says?
Speaker 2: Specifically, he said something to the kin of quietly, like
Speaker 2: we'll quietly.
Speaker 3: Do quietly do whatever we.
Speaker 2: Want, something about avoiding taxes or like before the taxes
Speaker 2: come in, then we'll quietly do whatever we want. And
Speaker 2: then he had a maniacal billionairely.
Speaker 3: He sure did. And then that other very interesting appearance
Speaker 3: of young X in the Oval office where Trump's just
Speaker 3: kind of sitting there the whole time. While you know,
Speaker 3: Elon Fields questions from the press. At some point that
Speaker 3: I saw a meme where it kind of did a
Speaker 3: close up on X and he's looking at Trump and
Speaker 3: saying like, don't talk, shut your mouth or something. What
Speaker 3: don't I don't think it was ai dude, and kids,
Speaker 3: we know kids say the darnedest things, and there it
Speaker 3: was definitely some darnedest things coming out of that kid's mouth.
Speaker 2: It's uh, really interesting. And again that's like it's a show,
Speaker 2: it's a big weird show.
Speaker 3: But it's also looking me. I'm like, I'm a kid
Speaker 3: with me in the workplace, like I'm a human. I'm
Speaker 3: just like you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just dad's day. So he's here and he's
Speaker 2: going to tell the sitting president while he sits, you know,
Speaker 2: at his desk. Oh here it is here, it is.
Speaker 2: I found another one quote, you're not the president, you
Speaker 2: need to go away. And then he went over and
Speaker 2: picked his nose for a while.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's too much, you guys, I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: we can't not talk about it. So thanks Sierra, and
Speaker 3: thanks to Combustible Coyote, and thanks to Sakra Tomato for
Speaker 3: those wonderful missives from you, Yes, you the public, Matt,
Speaker 3: would you say we take a little quick break and
Speaker 3: then we come back with some audio listener now, yes.
Speaker 2: Sir ee, and we've returned. Let's jump to the phone
Speaker 2: lines to hear some personal experience about incarcerated firefighters. So
Speaker 2: we've been talking about this a lot. It's a complicated issue,
Speaker 2: and depending on where you are and what you've seen,
Speaker 2: you may think about it one way. Let's hear from
Speaker 2: somebody who has someone in their family who has gone
Speaker 2: through that experience, and you know, as a third party
Speaker 2: to somebody you know going through it, like, what does
Speaker 2: she think. Let's jump to mellow.
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I was listening to your recent podcast about
Speaker 8: firefighters in California, the incarcerated ones. My biological dad is
Speaker 8: an inmate in Idaho, and he's been in and out
Speaker 8: of this particular penitentiary for a couple of years, and
Speaker 8: he has been on their firefighting slot for the last
Speaker 8: ten years or so, on and off. You know, it's
Speaker 8: probably a little bit more than that, maybe about fifteen years.
Speaker 8: And as an chronically incarcerated person, he loves it. It's
Speaker 8: something to get him out of their area. You can
Speaker 8: only do it if you're you know, in good standing
Speaker 8: in your prison, that way that they give you, you know,
Speaker 8: leeway to leave. So for some of them, it gives
Speaker 8: them kind of a incentive to stay right while they're
Speaker 8: in prison, so that they can potentially leave never they
Speaker 8: have the opportunity to. Saying opportunity seems callous because it's
Speaker 8: destructive and people's lives are at stake, I will caveat
Speaker 8: and say it is disgusting. It is quite literally slave labor.
Speaker 8: What they're doing for the wages that they're doing is horrendous.
Speaker 8: It's not like the prices in prison are any cheaper.
Speaker 8: They are still making five dollars to ten dollars a day,
Speaker 8: and that five dollars to ten dollars then pretty similarly
Speaker 8: as it does out here, so it's not like they're
Speaker 8: earning a lot. And the work that they are doing
Speaker 8: is incredibly dangerous. But with that, I do think a
Speaker 8: lot of them do enjoy the opportunity. Like you are
Speaker 8: saying that moral obligation of I have the time, I
Speaker 8: have the means, I have the body, I have you know,
Speaker 8: the strength to do it, so why not me instead
Speaker 8: of somebody else? And I think that is incredibly brave
Speaker 8: and selfless of them to do, to be able to
Speaker 8: put themselves out there and do that. But there's there's
Speaker 8: no reason why they shouldn't be compensated or at the
Speaker 8: minimum be able to work as a firefighter after they're
Speaker 8: potentially out and you know, use those skills to do
Speaker 8: a good use. You know, it's disgusting and callous that
Speaker 8: they get out of prison and do all of this
Speaker 8: hard working stuff and learn all these skills and they
Speaker 8: still can't be a firefighter in the states that they're in.
Speaker 8: So I definitely think means like that need to be changed,
Speaker 8: and the pay needs to change, you know, or the
Speaker 8: payment needs to change, whether it be able to do
Speaker 8: sentence or something that's better for the person who's working. Anyways,
Speaker 8: I'm probably almost out of time. Thank you guys. Have
Speaker 8: a great day, Mellow. I guess if you need to,
Speaker 8: you get party later.
Speaker 2: Lots of unpacked there, Oh yeah, definitely a lot. And
Speaker 2: thank you so much Mellow for giving us all of
Speaker 2: that too unpack because there's some great info in here.
Speaker 2: Specific I mean, there are so many things I want
Speaker 2: to talk about it, as you said, but let's let's
Speaker 2: get into it.
Speaker 4: First.
Speaker 2: Of all, somebody who has been doing this for a
Speaker 2: long time, right, this is Melo's father. You know, someone
Speaker 2: who is, as she stated, chronically incarcerated, constantly going in
Speaker 2: and out of a prison system. But when they're in
Speaker 2: they are working as a firefighter. But once they get
Speaker 2: out of prison, you know, in those moments, right, even
Speaker 2: if you are constantly going back in for things. He
Speaker 2: you whoever, you know, imagine yourself as this person. You
Speaker 2: can't then work as a firefighter on the outside. That
Speaker 2: seems tremendously shortsighted. You know, maybe I can see the
Speaker 2: reasoning behind it and all that stuff, but again, I
Speaker 2: don't know. If somebody is trained and really good at
Speaker 2: doing something, why not put those skills to use?
Speaker 3: Oh? I completely agree, And I mean I was kind
Speaker 3: of just intrigued by the way the calls took a
Speaker 3: turn where it started with referencing her father and how
Speaker 3: this is something that he really digs, like he really
Speaker 3: enjoys doing this, the way of getting outdoors. I mean,
Speaker 3: even she as she was going through it, sort of
Speaker 3: kind of started checking herself almost because it's like she
Speaker 3: caught herself describing it as sort of this great thing.
Speaker 3: But then when you look at the behind the scenes
Speaker 3: of it and how much they're actually paid, and the
Speaker 3: absolute peril that they are in, you know, maybe comparatively
Speaker 3: to being stuck in a prison cell. It feels like
Speaker 3: a great opportunity I think was the word that she used,
Speaker 3: and sort of walked it back a little bit. I
Speaker 3: can see that perspective, but it is an absolute example
Speaker 3: of these folks being taken advantage of as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and I think again this is a third,
Speaker 2: third person view of the thing, right, but it is
Speaker 2: it show. It gets us a little closer to that
Speaker 2: experience of what is it actually like and what does
Speaker 2: it mean to the person who is doing it. And
Speaker 2: in this case, it appears as though it stinks because
Speaker 2: the person is putting them graved danger and they're not
Speaker 2: getting compensated for it, even though they've done other things
Speaker 2: wrong in the past, right, And that's the reason that
Speaker 2: they don't get compensated the way they should. That's the reasoning,
Speaker 2: at least from the state's perspective as to why things
Speaker 2: are as they are. You did something wrong, now you
Speaker 2: don't get the good stuff anymore, and we are also
Speaker 2: going to use you, you know, for the laterities yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well for this really important, dangerous thing.
Speaker 3: But it also represents sort of a lack or a
Speaker 3: shortcoming and just the institutions that are supposed to have
Speaker 3: that covered in the first place, right that it's that
Speaker 3: it's necessary. Is this isn't like we're sending inmates, you know,
Speaker 3: to fight a fire entirely on their own. This is
Speaker 3: to like bolster numbers you know, in various states and
Speaker 3: city firefighting organizations.
Speaker 2: Right well, yeah, yeah, because if if depending on the state,
Speaker 2: the county and all that stuff, like is it a
Speaker 2: volunteer firefighting force? Is it a paid are fighting force?
Speaker 2: You know, do do the men and women who are
Speaker 2: out there doing it earn a salary? Or are they
Speaker 2: just there because they want to do something good? As
Speaker 2: we've heard from previous you know, people who've written in
Speaker 2: for sure, in this case, it's just it shows the
Speaker 2: complexity I think did did.
Speaker 3: Did she go into whether or not this is a
Speaker 3: voluntary thing where it's like you sort of put yourself
Speaker 3: up for it and then you get selected or I
Speaker 3: mean that I guess that's a really important question for me.
Speaker 3: Or is this surely it couldn't just be forced assigned? Right?
Speaker 3: So there is a volunteer aspect to it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I'm when I'm speaking on volunteering, I'm
Speaker 2: speaking like on the outside, I get it away from the.
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the like morality of the whole thing,
Speaker 3: And like, you know, is this forced labor, forced you know,
Speaker 3: putting someone in harm's way, or is there a choice
Speaker 3: you know of being you know, willing to participate in
Speaker 3: something like this, knowing the stakes and knowing that you're
Speaker 3: not getting paid much. Again, I'm not trying to be like,
Speaker 3: you know, a booster for the government or like prison system.
Speaker 3: The whole system is totally ft. But I'm just trying to.
Speaker 2: Understand you're speaking to the psychological gymnastics that are exactly
Speaker 2: an entire situation, right, Thank you, Matt, because you can
Speaker 2: you can say as the prison system itself, right, you
Speaker 2: could say, hey, this is an opportunity for you to
Speaker 2: get outside and do something good. And really, with your
Speaker 2: other hand, you're just you know, you're offering them, yeah,
Speaker 2: offering them a pittance taking the rest that they're getting
Speaker 2: in whatever grant they're getting from the state.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, which is very odd, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: make the quote unquote opportunity for the individual any more
Speaker 3: or less valid. Like exactly I am someone maybe in
Speaker 3: the outside, I was a firefighter, I was a volunteer firefighter,
Speaker 3: and this is something that I truly maybe even you know,
Speaker 3: at the point I'm at in my rehabilitation, like, I
Speaker 3: feel passionately about this and I do want to help people,
Speaker 3: and I'm able to do that, you know, with this
Speaker 3: much more than I am sitting here lifting weights and
Speaker 3: you know, reading books in my cell.
Speaker 2: So what is the reasoning, the concrete reasoning behind not
Speaker 2: allowing someone who is a part of one of these
Speaker 2: programs to get out and then continue doing that.
Speaker 3: Good? What right? I think the callers point about just
Speaker 3: the reform of the payment system is important, just to
Speaker 3: make it maybe a little more, you know, they should
Speaker 3: be compensated more, because I didn't really ever think about that.
Speaker 3: But it's true, like money more or less spends the
Speaker 3: same in prison, the commissary and also probably black market
Speaker 3: stuff as it does on the outside. If anything on
Speaker 3: the black market stuff is probably way more expensive for sure.
Speaker 2: And this is a tough thing for me, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to ruffle too many feathers here, but in
Speaker 2: my mind, if you are incarcerated and you're doing work.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think you should be compensating
Speaker 2: in the same way, but not like to those levels,
Speaker 2: those low levels, Right, there's something in between there that
Speaker 2: makes sense. The biggest thing that makes sense to me
Speaker 2: is if you use the skills that you're learning and
Speaker 2: whatever job you're performing on the outside. But in this case,
Speaker 2: this specific case, at least according to Melo, and I've
Speaker 2: been looking at these specific rules in Idaho and trying
Speaker 2: to find out, like, what's the concrete thing if you
Speaker 2: are incarcerated and you're a felon and you're in this
Speaker 2: you know, firefighter's system and you get out, can you
Speaker 2: actually be employed anywhere? Or is that just something that
Speaker 2: just can't happen or is it a specific thing for
Speaker 2: her father?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: And I haven't been able to find it yet.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't think i've follow employed like after
Speaker 3: you being released, Like, is this in some way like
Speaker 3: a benefit to your ability to be employed after you
Speaker 3: know your sentence is done.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the big points that Melo makes
Speaker 2: there is that her father, once he leaves, is unable
Speaker 2: to be employed as a firefighter in the state where
Speaker 2: he was imprisoned and working as a firefighter while in prison,
Speaker 2: so he cannot be a firefighter fighter on the outside
Speaker 2: according to whatever rules are set up, right with hiring
Speaker 2: somebody that is a huge misstep.
Speaker 3: I think I see what you're saying. It's yourule that
Speaker 3: should be reconsidered because you've proven yourself in the field,
Speaker 3: and this is a field that is in pretty most
Speaker 3: of the time desperate need of additional folks. So why
Speaker 3: would you cut off that ready made supply of people
Speaker 3: for some sort of bias based on hiring former convicts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then while incarcerated, rather than getting compensated for
Speaker 2: that kind of work, you are building up training. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're building yourself up. You're right, your self esteem, whatever
Speaker 2: it is you need to see that you were better
Speaker 2: than some of the stuff they got you in there,
Speaker 2: and now you can do good. That's a little too.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. And this is the kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that someone out there is going to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: you guys are so pie in the sky about this,
Speaker 3: YadA YadA, YadA. But I do think these kinds of
Speaker 3: things are worth discussing because it's like, you know, the
Speaker 3: prison system sucks. We know about wrongful convictions and all
Speaker 3: of that, but are there ways at the very least
Speaker 3: to reintegrate people after they've served their sentences so they're
Speaker 3: not just like persona non grata society and actually benefit society,
Speaker 3: you know, And this is what you're suggesting, I think
Speaker 3: is a pretty decent solution to that. And I'm certain
Speaker 3: that this is one of the first people to have
Speaker 3: thought about. But no, it does seem like it's a
Speaker 3: societal thing, like why do we still harbor this like
Speaker 3: long term grudge against you know, former convicts and felons.
Speaker 2: Exactly, So in that light, right, let's jump to a
Speaker 2: first persons perspective and hear from Jason and salt Lake,
Speaker 2: who knows exactly what it's like.
Speaker 4: Hey, it's a Jason salt Lake City, huge fans almost
Speaker 4: you guys for a while.
Speaker 9: Uh, you guys been talking about the wildfires the other
Speaker 9: day and the inmate firefighters. I just wanted to give
Speaker 9: a little personal experience. Uh, I made some poor decisions.
Speaker 9: I was incarcerated in Washington State for five years, and
Speaker 9: for four of those years I got to be on
Speaker 9: me the D and R crew fighting those source fires.
Speaker 9: And uh, I know people say, it's slave labor, you know,
Speaker 9: indentured servitude. But you got to realize that Number one,
Speaker 9: a normal job in prison. I was working in the kitchen.
Speaker 9: I was making thirty two cents an hour. They put
Speaker 9: me on a fire crew and I was making a
Speaker 9: dollar sixteen hour. Not only that, they feed you, just
Speaker 9: like they feed the rest of the firefighters out there.
Speaker 9: You know, you eat pops here food. Everybody is cool
Speaker 9: to you. And and for me and everybody else that
Speaker 9: was out there, it was it was.
Speaker 4: Something we wanted to do. You know, you have to
Speaker 4: sign up for it, you have to get approved. It was.
Speaker 4: It was something we all volunteered for. We wanted to
Speaker 4: be at you know. And on top of that, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of it was made mistakes. We're in there,
Speaker 4: and that kind of gets on your that kind of
Speaker 4: starts wearing on your on your self esteem.
Speaker 9: You know, you did some bad things, and start thinking
Speaker 9: that respects to who you are and getting out there
Speaker 9: and doing something like that.
Speaker 4: Not only was it amazing to be out in nature.
Speaker 9: You know, outside the prison walls, but the self esteem
Speaker 9: and the sense of accomplishment and pride it gave me
Speaker 9: and and every really else around me was was priceless.
Speaker 9: You know, we at the end of the day that
Speaker 9: was of what we did. You know, it was an
Speaker 9: honor to be out with the firefighters may treat you
Speaker 9: like one of them, you know, it's not like a
Speaker 9: bunch of inmates out they getting looked down on.
Speaker 4: They appreciate the help and they treat us accordingly. So
Speaker 4: I just wanted you guys will piece of personal experience.
Speaker 9: I'm all for it. Obviously, I have a different help
Speaker 9: look on things. I understand where other people are coming from.
Speaker 9: But again that's just my experience. You can go ahead
Speaker 9: and do my name I recording whatever you want, man,
Speaker 9: I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm on that verge of tearing up a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to be too like hard
Speaker 3: on sleeve about it, but I just the passion that
Speaker 3: I heard in his voice, and just you know, I
Speaker 3: think the point we brought up about like a way
Speaker 3: of paying it forward or like you know, in some
Speaker 3: way not redemption is such a movie term, but you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I just I heard that in
Speaker 3: his voice and in his story.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, for sure, And that's huge too, being
Speaker 2: able to hear it in the voice when somebody by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: And I'm just I'm literally you could see I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of emotional, like I'm not.
Speaker 2: No, I see it and I feel it too, man,
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's incredible to hear that because often
Speaker 2: on the news, if you're watching just videos on YouTube
Speaker 2: or somebody commenting, or even on this show sometimes and
Speaker 2: I cop to it. We talk in generalities. We talk
Speaker 2: in you know, a situation that affects a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of people. But when you hear from an individual consciousness,
Speaker 2: a human that has gone through it, is going through it,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it fully changes things because it's not
Speaker 2: about statistics, it's not about you know, laws and all
Speaker 2: that other stuff. It's how did all of that stuff
Speaker 2: affect my experience? Right, And in this case, Jason just
Speaker 2: lets us know there are really good things to a
Speaker 2: system like that. It's just the system itself and the
Speaker 2: way it functions maybe is the thing that needs to
Speaker 2: get altered quite a bit, but there's something inside of
Speaker 2: it that is extremely positive, at least in my view.
Speaker 2: After hearing that from Jason specifically.
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent. I mean, and that's the kind
Speaker 3: of thing that, like on paper, it's easy to get
Speaker 3: hung up on the negative side of it. And I
Speaker 3: think that all that stuff still holds. And Jason didn't
Speaker 3: didn't mention that, but again it wasn't about that, it
Speaker 3: was about his perspective on it. So it does highlight
Speaker 3: what a complex issue is. And I didn't realize how
Speaker 3: comparatively even less they get paid for, you know, working
Speaker 3: in the kitchen or machine shop or whatever else, you know,
Speaker 3: on the prison grounds. That's insane and of itself. So
Speaker 3: this is a much larger, you know, discussion about reform
Speaker 3: in terms of like what prisoners are compensated. But to
Speaker 3: your point, Matt, you know, it does feel separate from
Speaker 3: what happens outside, but there should be a little bit
Speaker 3: more parody between the two. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: Just that concept of a group of firefighters welcoming in
Speaker 2: another group of incarcerated men. They don't see them as that,
Speaker 2: They see them as human beings that are going to
Speaker 2: help them solve major problem. Right, And that's all you see,
Speaker 2: and that's all it has to be. There are of course,
Speaker 2: you know, there's minutia to get into, depending on what
Speaker 2: specific crimes and all that stuff that you have to
Speaker 2: take into consideration at some level, but at you know,
Speaker 2: if you can drill down deep enough, I think you
Speaker 2: can find the humanity in everybody. So guy has some
Speaker 2: other stuff I wanted to say here. Lease I'm kind
Speaker 2: of losing it a bit, but.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about social media and some of our
Speaker 2: talks about attention span talks about the click is the
Speaker 2: most important thing. How do you get that click? How
Speaker 2: do you get the eyeball on it so they don't
Speaker 2: scroll away a user? Right, A story about incarcerated firefighters
Speaker 2: being wronged by a system, I think is going to
Speaker 2: get a lot more clicks than a personal story from Jason,
Speaker 2: let's say, or a group of firefighters who say, Hey,
Speaker 2: this was really incredibly meaningful for us to be able
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 3: And this person is not coming at us from a
Speaker 3: place of being like a shill or a poster boy
Speaker 3: for some kind of program like this is a human
Speaker 3: experience being shared directly from the human who experienced it.
Speaker 3: And I don't know that's how it hit me, you know,
Speaker 3: So I guess what I was getting at with stuff
Speaker 3: on paper versus like when you actually talk to people.
Speaker 3: I think that's just always so important to remember about
Speaker 3: anything is it's so easy to spin up one version
Speaker 3: or perspective about a thing that is certainly can be valid,
Speaker 3: but it completely ignores just the like broadness of people's
Speaker 3: experiences oftentimes. And it's so because of the black and
Speaker 3: white of the Internet and social media. It's so easy
Speaker 3: to need to wrap it in some kind of cut
Speaker 3: and dry, sort of like shell so that people can
Speaker 3: eat it up and be mad about it or be gushy,
Speaker 3: bleeding heart about it instead out you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, mostly mad, though mostly mad.
Speaker 3: It's mad, right, it's it's almost exclusively mad.
Speaker 2: That's how the algorithm works.
Speaker 3: For the short form stuff especially, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's gonna elicit a comment from you, which
Speaker 2: generally means you're fired up enough. You know, if you
Speaker 2: like something a lot, you're like, wow, this is incredible,
Speaker 2: you might give it a little heart and then send
Speaker 2: it to a buddy or something like that. But if
Speaker 2: you're fired up, you're gonna comment, and then somebody else
Speaker 2: might get fired up, and then they're gonna comment, and
Speaker 2: then you might comment back. And guess what, you spend
Speaker 2: a ton of time on their platform or app or whatever,
Speaker 2: just creepy stuff. Well, hey, we're gonna tell you how
Speaker 2: to contact us at the end of the show. Please
Speaker 2: let us know if you have any thoughts on this stuff,
Speaker 2: you have any experience you want to share and send
Speaker 2: it our way. We'd love to hear it, and we'd
Speaker 2: also love to share it with the class if we can.
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Speaker 2: phone lines again, this time to hear from Troglodyte about
Speaker 2: a story we covered that hit a little too close
Speaker 2: to home, but in a good way. I think, in
Speaker 2: a good way. A while back we interviewed Carryl Miller,
Speaker 2: the host of kill List, and that is a story
Speaker 2: that we'll talk more about after the break. But it's
Speaker 2: a story about the darknet and hired assassins and scams
Speaker 2: and actual real life people that want to kill other people.
Speaker 2: It's a deep, dark story. You can listen to that
Speaker 2: episode right now if you want to. Here is Troglodite's experience.
Speaker 10: All right, hey, this is Troglodite again. I'm listening to
Speaker 10: your new episode about the dangers of the Dark Web,
Speaker 10: and you're talking about Amien Stephen online they I'm not
Speaker 10: even kidding. You were my neighbors. My little sister baby
Speaker 10: sat for their child. I went to their house for
Speaker 10: the National Night Out, and they that murder happened my
Speaker 10: first year of college, when I moved away to go
Speaker 10: to college for the first time, and it was the
Speaker 10: wildest thing I ever experienced. I grew up down the
Speaker 10: street from their house, and their property was then sold
Speaker 10: and now like a huge subdivision of houses they are
Speaker 10: being put on there. If you want to talk about
Speaker 10: that Stephen an amy Allwine case, I lived it, and
Speaker 10: I love your show so much, thank you so much.
Speaker 10: When you were doing that dark Web stuff, I was like,
Speaker 10: oh my god, I I know a dark Web assassin
Speaker 10: story because that was my neighbors. And then you said
Speaker 10: Amy all Wine, and my jaw hit the floor and
Speaker 10: I stopped and I pulled the car over and I
Speaker 10: called and I was like, oh my god. So now
Speaker 10: I get to listen to the whole thing about what
Speaker 10: you guys found. But yeah, crazy crazy, crazy crazy sus
Speaker 10: think you love the show, you can use whatever I say.
Speaker 3: By there we go stru Okay, okaye. Really, yes, he
Speaker 3: kind of looks like a dude who would hire an
Speaker 3: internet assassin to kill man a little bit. Man, I'm
Speaker 3: just looking at this picture of him. I've never seen
Speaker 3: this guy before, and he has a little bit of
Speaker 3: what it was like a one thousand miles stare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the story if you happen to actually
Speaker 2: listen to kill List, this is the story that opens
Speaker 2: the entire show. It's a story of a man that
Speaker 2: called nine to one one because his wife had been
Speaker 2: shot and she was dead. And after, you know, the
Speaker 2: police began investigating, they found out that, oh, it does
Speaker 2: appear that he killed his wife, that Stephen killed his wife.
Speaker 2: It appears that way, and he's currently serving time because
Speaker 2: of that. It's a complicated story, but it all goes
Speaker 2: back to how he attempted to hire a hitman on
Speaker 2: the darknet.
Speaker 3: He did, yeah, okay, so it looks like he attempted
Speaker 3: it and was unsuccessful, and then he felt strongly enough
Speaker 3: about it that he went through with it himself.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, Which is really the entire point of the
Speaker 2: kill List show or kill List if you look it up,
Speaker 2: it's that there there was this fake assassin's website where
Speaker 2: people were paying tens of thousands of dollars to have
Speaker 2: other people assassinated. But the site itself was a scam
Speaker 2: and it was money just being taken in by somebody else, right.
Speaker 3: But what.
Speaker 2: Carl Miller and the rest of the team that he
Speaker 2: was working with realized is that every single human being
Speaker 2: who has paid money into the site is potentially a killer,
Speaker 2: right because they wanted that desire to have someone else
Speaker 2: dead could lead them to do what Stephen Olwine did
Speaker 2: and kill that person in real life rather than have
Speaker 2: somebody else do it. So check that out. Pretty great
Speaker 2: episode in great podcast if you ask me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard of it, and I've heard good things,
Speaker 3: but I have not checked it out myself. I honestly,
Speaker 3: I kind of tend to shy away from the hardcore
Speaker 3: true crime stuff these days. I just listened to like
Speaker 3: pop culture pot there's just another of that going on
Speaker 3: here in the world. But it sounds like it's well made,
Speaker 3: and we've all of course participated in making these types
Speaker 3: of shows, so this sounds like a high quality one
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a very unique, very cool perspective, and you're on
Speaker 2: the ground with them as they're attempting to basically save
Speaker 2: people from potential murder. It's intense stuff. On a lighter note.
Speaker 3: Yes, we always like to end on a lighter note.
Speaker 3: Let's go out on a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let this person take us there, take us
Speaker 2: all the way there.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is offster hot pants. Well in talking
Speaker 7: about foods that have a weird connection with dreams. When
Speaker 7: I was a Mormon missionary, one of the rules is,
Speaker 7: of course, you know, you can't have any kind of
Speaker 7: specual relations with someone of the opposite gender, including up
Speaker 7: hugging as well, just to kind of help, you know,
Speaker 7: keep that temptation away while you're a missionary. Now, there
Speaker 7: was a myth that I heard as a missionary. I
Speaker 7: never tried it myself, that if you were to eat
Speaker 7: three bananas right before going to bed, you wouldn'tduce yourself
Speaker 7: into having a wet dream. Now, I'd heard this second
Speaker 7: hand claim it you and in you know, the area
Speaker 7: where I served among other missionaries. I never saw it personally.
Speaker 7: I always thought it was kind of funny, but again
Speaker 7: I never tried it personally, so I can't say if
Speaker 7: it was just something that was induced by you know,
Speaker 7: thought power, whatever, that's called when you know, sugarpark kind
Speaker 7: of thing. Anyways, thank you so much, guys for everything
Speaker 7: you guys do. Show great, have a good day.
Speaker 3: All right. How many bananas was that again?
Speaker 2: Three bananas, according to Officer Hotpants. Just so everyone knows,
Speaker 2: I've got four bananas in my house right now. One
Speaker 2: is for my son's breakfast in the morning and the
Speaker 2: other three for later tonight. All right, what a what
Speaker 2: a fun idea. You can find all kinds of stuff
Speaker 2: online about consuming bananas and milk fore bed and all
Speaker 2: kinds of other things to get potassium and certain nutrients
Speaker 2: in your body before you sleep, for you know, all
Speaker 2: the beneficial effects of that stuff. It's tough to know
Speaker 2: what's actually backed by science, you know. And then I
Speaker 2: can't find anything that is actually connecting potassium intake and
Speaker 2: banana intake to nocturnal e missions of one form or another.
Speaker 2: But hey, let us know what you find. Get out
Speaker 2: there and experiment with them bananas, just like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna question cont on that one, buddy. Yeah, get
Speaker 3: out there and experiment with those bananas. Let us know
Speaker 3: what wild stuff you get up to with bananas out there.
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