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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: Our brother in arms Ben is away on adventures, but

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Speaker 3: we'll be returning soon. And you know that means this

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Speaker 3: is stuff they don't want you to know the podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We're joined by our super producer, Dylan Lord

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Speaker 2: Rudebega Fagan. Yes you are you do Bega fa Yes

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Speaker 2: you are you. You are here, and that is what

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Speaker 2: makes this stuff they don't watch you to know.

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Speaker 3: Everybody. I totally mess with that. That's what happens when Ben's.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, he keeps these trains on the tracks. Thank you, sir, Ben.

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Speaker 2: We miss you, but we'll see you soon. It's Thursday, y'all.

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Speaker 2: You know what that means. We're hearing from the best

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Speaker 3: You, yes, you, that's right you. We are super excited

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Speaker 3: to bring you another instance, segment, whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: That's right tonight on stuff they don't want you to know,

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Speaker 2: listener mail, we're talking attention spans, more exploding devices, nocturnally

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Speaker 2: missions and more. Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I hid that one in there. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: a surprise for Noel.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Hey, but first, before we get started, let's hear a

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Speaker 2: quick voicemail from a certain so and so who just

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Speaker 2: hit us to a thing that we've all been watching.

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Speaker 2: But it is something we need to be paying more

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Speaker 4: Here we go, this is Scorpion.

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Speaker 5: I think that you should take a look at some

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Speaker 5: of the stuff that current President Trump has been doing,

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Speaker 5: specifically regarding declassifying files regarding the JFK, DAVE LK, and RFK,

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Speaker 5: and so that the rumor is right now that a

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Speaker 5: guys to take a look at. All right, feel free

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Speaker 5: to use this if you so desire. Again, this is

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Speaker 5: long time off.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Matt, have you actually read any of these executive orders?

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Speaker 3: Like the language of them is very fascinating to me.

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Speaker 3: At the very least, the first line by the authority

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Speaker 3: vested in me as president by the Constitution and the

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Speaker 3: which are declassification of JFK, r f K and what's

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Speaker 3: the what's the third one MLK of course, yes, and

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Speaker 3: you've got real deep knowledge on those MLK tapes, and

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Speaker 3: I'm sure through the production of that podcast, you know,

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Speaker 3: got a sense of what might be in some of

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Speaker 2: Oh, for certain, I am at the edge of my

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Speaker 2: seat waiting basically, and you know, this show, each of

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Speaker 2: us as individuals, but also this show as a thing

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Speaker 2: has been on those JFK and RFK files as well,

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Speaker 2: for gosh, since we've started, and we every couple of years,

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Speaker 2: usually with every administration, there's an announcement, Hey, we're going

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Speaker 6: They do just a little trickle, you know, well, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I asked such a boneheaded question that I will fully

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Speaker 2: Like you said, yeah, I am assuming because of the

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Speaker 3: Well do you have a sense of what a move

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Speaker 2: In my mind, everybody is aware at this point that

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Speaker 2: that those the answers to the questions that remain are

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Speaker 3: But the question is damaging to whom? Like if it

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Speaker 3: I just maybe I'm overthinking it, but it does seem

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, this is speculation on my part, but

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Speaker 2: it really functioned. At least that's what the MLK tapes

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Speaker 3: Well, and I mean maybe to that point, Matt, it

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Speaker 2: Know, for sure, for sure, But for now we're gonna

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Speaker 2: be beautiful. It could be terrifying either way. It's about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and three fascinatingly flawed human beings. Yeah, if you

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Speaker 3: I don't know. The history alone is staggering.

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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, So let's all pay attention for now.

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Speaker 3: And we're back with a couple of shorties, one with

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Speaker 3: about some strange news actually, but we'll start with a

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Speaker 3: message from Sacra Tomato, who is from Sacramento. And I

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Speaker 3: me Sacramento. I'm from Sacramento. Much more clever than that.

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Speaker 3: He's a sacred Tomato going on. I read a lot,

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Speaker 3: and as I was listening to your podcast on social

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Speaker 3: I pluge you for your candor here. I have experienced

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Speaker 3: I was suggesting, but not enough to like take out

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know we're not the only one making this connection.

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Speaker 3: He compared it to Israel's attacks on Hesbola and Lebanon

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be an interesting trade off. If you

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Speaker 3: We're experiencing it right alongside everybody else. But Seer just

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Speaker 3: We're all seeing this play out in real time. Be real,

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Speaker 3: say what's happening. We listen to be informed. See her,

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Speaker 3: and it definitely is something to be freaked out about.

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Speaker 3: Whatever side of the political aisle you may fall I think, Yeah,

435
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Speaker 3: we've all read nineteen eighty four. I mean, it's it's

436
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Speaker 3: hard to not see some comparisons and talk about him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're doing quite a few what what should

438
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Speaker 2: we call lookbacks. We're doing some lookbacks in history just

439
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Speaker 2: to see some other things that have happened in the

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Speaker 2: past that some alignments.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, history doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes like Ben

443
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Speaker 3: likes to say, you've seen some pretty firebars from history

444
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, did anybody Noel happened to catch the the

446
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Speaker 2: thing where Elon's four year old was getting interviewed with him.

447
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Speaker 3: It's weird. Yeah, he said something like us talking about SpaceX,

448
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Speaker 3: like we just do whatever we want or something like that.

449
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Speaker 3: He's like, what it was it that he says?

450
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Speaker 2: Specifically, he said something to the kin of quietly, like

451
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Speaker 2: we'll quietly.

452
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Speaker 3: Do quietly do whatever we.

453
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Speaker 2: Want, something about avoiding taxes or like before the taxes

454
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Speaker 2: come in, then we'll quietly do whatever we want. And

455
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Speaker 2: then he had a maniacal billionairely.

456
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Speaker 3: He sure did. And then that other very interesting appearance

457
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Speaker 3: of young X in the Oval office where Trump's just

458
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Speaker 3: kind of sitting there the whole time. While you know,

459
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Speaker 3: Elon Fields questions from the press. At some point that

460
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Speaker 3: I saw a meme where it kind of did a

461
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Speaker 3: close up on X and he's looking at Trump and

462
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Speaker 3: saying like, don't talk, shut your mouth or something. What

463
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Speaker 3: don't I don't think it was ai dude, and kids,

464
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Speaker 3: we know kids say the darnedest things, and there it

465
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Speaker 3: was definitely some darnedest things coming out of that kid's mouth.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, really interesting. And again that's like it's a show,

467
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Speaker 2: it's a big weird show.

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Speaker 3: But it's also looking me. I'm like, I'm a kid

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Speaker 3: with me in the workplace, like I'm a human. I'm

470
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Speaker 3: just like you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just dad's day. So he's here and he's

472
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Speaker 2: going to tell the sitting president while he sits, you know,

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Speaker 2: at his desk. Oh here it is here, it is.

474
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Speaker 2: I found another one quote, you're not the president, you

475
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Speaker 2: need to go away. And then he went over and

476
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Speaker 2: picked his nose for a while.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's too much, you guys, I mean, listen,

478
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Speaker 3: we can't not talk about it. So thanks Sierra, and

479
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Speaker 3: thanks to Combustible Coyote, and thanks to Sakra Tomato for

480
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 3: those wonderful missives from you, Yes, you the public, Matt,

481
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Speaker 3: would you say we take a little quick break and

482
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Speaker 3: then we come back with some audio listener now, yes.

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Speaker 2: Sir ee, and we've returned. Let's jump to the phone

484
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Speaker 2: lines to hear some personal experience about incarcerated firefighters. So

485
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about this a lot. It's a complicated issue,

486
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Speaker 2: and depending on where you are and what you've seen,

487
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Speaker 2: you may think about it one way. Let's hear from

488
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Speaker 2: somebody who has someone in their family who has gone

489
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Speaker 2: through that experience, and you know, as a third party

490
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Speaker 2: to somebody you know going through it, like, what does

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Speaker 2: she think. Let's jump to mellow.

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I was listening to your recent podcast about

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Speaker 8: firefighters in California, the incarcerated ones. My biological dad is

494
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Speaker 8: an inmate in Idaho, and he's been in and out

495
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Speaker 8: of this particular penitentiary for a couple of years, and

496
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Speaker 8: he has been on their firefighting slot for the last

497
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Speaker 8: ten years or so, on and off. You know, it's

498
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Speaker 8: probably a little bit more than that, maybe about fifteen years.

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Speaker 8: And as an chronically incarcerated person, he loves it. It's

500
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Speaker 8: something to get him out of their area. You can

501
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Speaker 8: only do it if you're you know, in good standing

502
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Speaker 8: in your prison, that way that they give you, you know,

503
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Speaker 8: leeway to leave. So for some of them, it gives

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Speaker 8: them kind of a incentive to stay right while they're

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Speaker 8: in prison, so that they can potentially leave never they

506
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Speaker 8: have the opportunity to. Saying opportunity seems callous because it's

507
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Speaker 8: destructive and people's lives are at stake, I will caveat

508
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Speaker 8: and say it is disgusting. It is quite literally slave labor.

509
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Speaker 8: What they're doing for the wages that they're doing is horrendous.

510
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Speaker 8: It's not like the prices in prison are any cheaper.

511
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Speaker 8: They are still making five dollars to ten dollars a day,

512
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Speaker 8: and that five dollars to ten dollars then pretty similarly

513
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Speaker 8: as it does out here, so it's not like they're

514
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Speaker 8: earning a lot. And the work that they are doing

515
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Speaker 8: is incredibly dangerous. But with that, I do think a

516
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Speaker 8: lot of them do enjoy the opportunity. Like you are

517
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Speaker 8: saying that moral obligation of I have the time, I

518
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Speaker 8: have the means, I have the body, I have you know,

519
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Speaker 8: the strength to do it, so why not me instead

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Speaker 8: of somebody else? And I think that is incredibly brave

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Speaker 8: and selfless of them to do, to be able to

522
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Speaker 8: put themselves out there and do that. But there's there's

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Speaker 8: no reason why they shouldn't be compensated or at the

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Speaker 8: minimum be able to work as a firefighter after they're

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Speaker 8: potentially out and you know, use those skills to do

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Speaker 8: a good use. You know, it's disgusting and callous that

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Speaker 8: they get out of prison and do all of this

528
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Speaker 8: hard working stuff and learn all these skills and they

529
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Speaker 8: still can't be a firefighter in the states that they're in.

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Speaker 8: So I definitely think means like that need to be changed,

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Speaker 8: and the pay needs to change, you know, or the

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Speaker 8: payment needs to change, whether it be able to do

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Speaker 8: sentence or something that's better for the person who's working. Anyways,

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Speaker 8: I'm probably almost out of time. Thank you guys. Have

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Speaker 8: a great day, Mellow. I guess if you need to,

536
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Speaker 8: you get party later.

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Speaker 2: Lots of unpacked there, Oh yeah, definitely a lot. And

538
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Speaker 2: thank you so much Mellow for giving us all of

539
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: that too unpack because there's some great info in here.

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Speaker 2: Specific I mean, there are so many things I want

541
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Speaker 2: to talk about it, as you said, but let's let's

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Speaker 2: get into it.

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Speaker 4: First.

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Speaker 2: Of all, somebody who has been doing this for a

545
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Speaker 2: long time, right, this is Melo's father. You know, someone

546
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Speaker 2: who is, as she stated, chronically incarcerated, constantly going in

547
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Speaker 2: and out of a prison system. But when they're in

548
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Speaker 2: they are working as a firefighter. But once they get

549
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Speaker 2: out of prison, you know, in those moments, right, even

550
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: if you are constantly going back in for things. He

551
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Speaker 2: you whoever, you know, imagine yourself as this person. You

552
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Speaker 2: can't then work as a firefighter on the outside. That

553
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Speaker 2: seems tremendously shortsighted. You know, maybe I can see the

554
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Speaker 2: reasoning behind it and all that stuff, but again, I

555
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Speaker 2: don't know. If somebody is trained and really good at

556
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Speaker 2: doing something, why not put those skills to use?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I completely agree, And I mean I was kind

558
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Speaker 3: of just intrigued by the way the calls took a

559
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Speaker 3: turn where it started with referencing her father and how

560
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Speaker 3: this is something that he really digs, like he really

561
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Speaker 3: enjoys doing this, the way of getting outdoors. I mean,

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Speaker 3: even she as she was going through it, sort of

563
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Speaker 3: kind of started checking herself almost because it's like she

564
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Speaker 3: caught herself describing it as sort of this great thing.

565
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Speaker 3: But then when you look at the behind the scenes

566
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Speaker 3: of it and how much they're actually paid, and the

567
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Speaker 3: absolute peril that they are in, you know, maybe comparatively

568
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Speaker 3: to being stuck in a prison cell. It feels like

569
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Speaker 3: a great opportunity I think was the word that she used,

570
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Speaker 3: and sort of walked it back a little bit. I

571
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Speaker 3: can see that perspective, but it is an absolute example

572
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Speaker 3: of these folks being taken advantage of as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and I think again this is a third,

574
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Speaker 2: third person view of the thing, right, but it is

575
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Speaker 2: it show. It gets us a little closer to that

576
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Speaker 2: experience of what is it actually like and what does

577
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Speaker 2: it mean to the person who is doing it. And

578
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: in this case, it appears as though it stinks because

579
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: the person is putting them graved danger and they're not

580
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Speaker 2: getting compensated for it, even though they've done other things

581
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Speaker 2: wrong in the past, right, And that's the reason that

582
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: they don't get compensated the way they should. That's the reasoning,

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Speaker 2: at least from the state's perspective as to why things

584
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Speaker 2: are as they are. You did something wrong, now you

585
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Speaker 2: don't get the good stuff anymore, and we are also

586
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Speaker 2: going to use you, you know, for the laterities yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well for this really important, dangerous thing.

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Speaker 3: But it also represents sort of a lack or a

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Speaker 3: shortcoming and just the institutions that are supposed to have

590
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Speaker 3: that covered in the first place, right that it's that

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Speaker 3: it's necessary. Is this isn't like we're sending inmates, you know,

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Speaker 3: to fight a fire entirely on their own. This is

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Speaker 3: to like bolster numbers you know, in various states and

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Speaker 3: city firefighting organizations.

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Speaker 2: Right well, yeah, yeah, because if if depending on the state,

596
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Speaker 2: the county and all that stuff, like is it a

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Speaker 2: volunteer firefighting force? Is it a paid are fighting force?

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Speaker 2: You know, do do the men and women who are

599
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Speaker 2: out there doing it earn a salary? Or are they

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Speaker 2: just there because they want to do something good? As

601
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Speaker 2: we've heard from previous you know, people who've written in

602
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Speaker 2: for sure, in this case, it's just it shows the

603
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Speaker 2: complexity I think did did.

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Speaker 3: Did she go into whether or not this is a

605
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Speaker 3: voluntary thing where it's like you sort of put yourself

606
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Speaker 3: up for it and then you get selected or I

607
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: mean that I guess that's a really important question for me.

608
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: Or is this surely it couldn't just be forced assigned? Right?

609
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Speaker 3: So there is a volunteer aspect to it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I'm when I'm speaking on volunteering, I'm

611
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: speaking like on the outside, I get it away from the.

612
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Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the like morality of the whole thing,

613
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Speaker 3: And like, you know, is this forced labor, forced you know,

614
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Speaker 3: putting someone in harm's way, or is there a choice

615
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: you know of being you know, willing to participate in

616
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Speaker 3: something like this, knowing the stakes and knowing that you're

617
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Speaker 3: not getting paid much. Again, I'm not trying to be like,

618
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: you know, a booster for the government or like prison system.

619
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Speaker 3: The whole system is totally ft. But I'm just trying to.

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Speaker 2: Understand you're speaking to the psychological gymnastics that are exactly

621
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Speaker 2: an entire situation, right, Thank you, Matt, because you can

622
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: you can say as the prison system itself, right, you

623
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: could say, hey, this is an opportunity for you to

624
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Speaker 2: get outside and do something good. And really, with your

625
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: other hand, you're just you know, you're offering them, yeah,

626
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: offering them a pittance taking the rest that they're getting

627
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: in whatever grant they're getting from the state.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, which is very odd, but it doesn't

629
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Speaker 3: make the quote unquote opportunity for the individual any more

630
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Speaker 3: or less valid. Like exactly I am someone maybe in

631
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: the outside, I was a firefighter, I was a volunteer firefighter,

632
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Speaker 3: and this is something that I truly maybe even you know,

633
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: at the point I'm at in my rehabilitation, like, I

634
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: feel passionately about this and I do want to help people,

635
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: and I'm able to do that, you know, with this

636
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Speaker 3: much more than I am sitting here lifting weights and

637
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, reading books in my cell.

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Speaker 2: So what is the reasoning, the concrete reasoning behind not

639
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: allowing someone who is a part of one of these

640
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Speaker 2: programs to get out and then continue doing that.

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Speaker 3: Good? What right? I think the callers point about just

642
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: the reform of the payment system is important, just to

643
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: make it maybe a little more, you know, they should

644
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Speaker 3: be compensated more, because I didn't really ever think about that.

645
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Speaker 3: But it's true, like money more or less spends the

646
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Speaker 3: same in prison, the commissary and also probably black market

647
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Speaker 3: stuff as it does on the outside. If anything on

648
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Speaker 3: the black market stuff is probably way more expensive for sure.

649
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: And this is a tough thing for me, and I

650
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: don't want to ruffle too many feathers here, but in

651
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: my mind, if you are incarcerated and you're doing work.

652
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think you should be compensating

653
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: in the same way, but not like to those levels,

654
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: those low levels, Right, there's something in between there that

655
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: makes sense. The biggest thing that makes sense to me

656
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: is if you use the skills that you're learning and

657
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: whatever job you're performing on the outside. But in this case,

658
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: this specific case, at least according to Melo, and I've

659
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: been looking at these specific rules in Idaho and trying

660
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: to find out, like, what's the concrete thing if you

661
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: are incarcerated and you're a felon and you're in this

662
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, firefighter's system and you get out, can you

663
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: actually be employed anywhere? Or is that just something that

664
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: just can't happen or is it a specific thing for

665
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: her father?

666
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 8: Right?

667
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: And I haven't been able to find it yet.

668
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't think i've follow employed like after

669
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: you being released, Like, is this in some way like

670
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: a benefit to your ability to be employed after you

671
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: know your sentence is done.

672
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the big points that Melo makes

673
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: there is that her father, once he leaves, is unable

674
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: to be employed as a firefighter in the state where

675
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: he was imprisoned and working as a firefighter while in prison,

676
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: so he cannot be a firefighter fighter on the outside

677
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: according to whatever rules are set up, right with hiring

678
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: somebody that is a huge misstep.

679
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: I think I see what you're saying. It's yourule that

680
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: should be reconsidered because you've proven yourself in the field,

681
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: and this is a field that is in pretty most

682
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: of the time desperate need of additional folks. So why

683
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: would you cut off that ready made supply of people

684
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: for some sort of bias based on hiring former convicts.

685
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then while incarcerated, rather than getting compensated for

686
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: that kind of work, you are building up training. Yeah,

687
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 2: you're building yourself up. You're right, your self esteem, whatever

688
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: it is you need to see that you were better

689
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: than some of the stuff they got you in there,

690
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: and now you can do good. That's a little too.

691
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm with you. And this is the kind of stuff

692
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: that someone out there is going to be like, oh,

693
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: you guys are so pie in the sky about this,

694
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: YadA YadA, YadA. But I do think these kinds of

695
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: things are worth discussing because it's like, you know, the

696
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: prison system sucks. We know about wrongful convictions and all

697
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: of that, but are there ways at the very least

698
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: to reintegrate people after they've served their sentences so they're

699
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: not just like persona non grata society and actually benefit society,

700
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: you know, And this is what you're suggesting, I think

701
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: is a pretty decent solution to that. And I'm certain

702
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: that this is one of the first people to have

703
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: thought about. But no, it does seem like it's a

704
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: societal thing, like why do we still harbor this like

705
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: long term grudge against you know, former convicts and felons.

706
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: Exactly, So in that light, right, let's jump to a

707
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: first persons perspective and hear from Jason and salt Lake,

708
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: who knows exactly what it's like.

709
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: Hey, it's a Jason salt Lake City, huge fans almost

710
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: you guys for a while.

711
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 9: Uh, you guys been talking about the wildfires the other

712
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 9: day and the inmate firefighters. I just wanted to give

713
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 9: a little personal experience. Uh, I made some poor decisions.

714
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 9: I was incarcerated in Washington State for five years, and

715
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 9: for four of those years I got to be on

716
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 9: me the D and R crew fighting those source fires.

717
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 9: And uh, I know people say, it's slave labor, you know,

718
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 9: indentured servitude. But you got to realize that Number one,

719
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 9: a normal job in prison. I was working in the kitchen.

720
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 9: I was making thirty two cents an hour. They put

721
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 9: me on a fire crew and I was making a

722
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 9: dollar sixteen hour. Not only that, they feed you, just

723
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 9: like they feed the rest of the firefighters out there.

724
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 9: You know, you eat pops here food. Everybody is cool

725
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 9: to you. And and for me and everybody else that

726
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 9: was out there, it was it was.

727
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: Something we wanted to do. You know, you have to

728
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: sign up for it, you have to get approved. It was.

729
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: It was something we all volunteered for. We wanted to

730
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: be at you know. And on top of that, you know,

731
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: a lot of it was made mistakes. We're in there,

732
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: and that kind of gets on your that kind of

733
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: starts wearing on your on your self esteem.

734
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 9: You know, you did some bad things, and start thinking

735
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 9: that respects to who you are and getting out there

736
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 9: and doing something like that.

737
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: Not only was it amazing to be out in nature.

738
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 9: You know, outside the prison walls, but the self esteem

739
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 9: and the sense of accomplishment and pride it gave me

740
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 9: and and every really else around me was was priceless.

741
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 9: You know, we at the end of the day that

742
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 9: was of what we did. You know, it was an

743
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 9: honor to be out with the firefighters may treat you

744
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 9: like one of them, you know, it's not like a

745
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 9: bunch of inmates out they getting looked down on.

746
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: They appreciate the help and they treat us accordingly. So

747
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: I just wanted you guys will piece of personal experience.

748
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 9: I'm all for it. Obviously, I have a different help

749
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 9: look on things. I understand where other people are coming from.

750
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 9: But again that's just my experience. You can go ahead

751
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 9: and do my name I recording whatever you want, man,

752
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 9: I appreciate you guys.

753
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm on that verge of tearing up a little bit.

754
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to be too like hard

755
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: on sleeve about it, but I just the passion that

756
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: I heard in his voice, and just you know, I

757
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: think the point we brought up about like a way

758
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: of paying it forward or like you know, in some

759
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: way not redemption is such a movie term, but you

760
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I just I heard that in

761
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: his voice and in his story.

762
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, for sure, And that's huge too, being

763
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: able to hear it in the voice when somebody by

764
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: the way.

765
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: And I'm just I'm literally you could see I'm like,

766
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm kind of emotional, like I'm not.

767
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: No, I see it and I feel it too, man,

768
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's incredible to hear that because often

769
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: on the news, if you're watching just videos on YouTube

770
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: or somebody commenting, or even on this show sometimes and

771
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: I cop to it. We talk in generalities. We talk

772
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: in you know, a situation that affects a whole bunch

773
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: of people. But when you hear from an individual consciousness,

774
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: a human that has gone through it, is going through it,

775
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it fully changes things because it's not

776
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: about statistics, it's not about you know, laws and all

777
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: that other stuff. It's how did all of that stuff

778
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: affect my experience? Right, And in this case, Jason just

779
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: lets us know there are really good things to a

780
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: system like that. It's just the system itself and the

781
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: way it functions maybe is the thing that needs to

782
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: get altered quite a bit, but there's something inside of

783
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: it that is extremely positive, at least in my view.

784
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: After hearing that from Jason specifically.

785
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent. I mean, and that's the kind

786
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: of thing that, like on paper, it's easy to get

787
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: hung up on the negative side of it. And I

788
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: think that all that stuff still holds. And Jason didn't

789
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: didn't mention that, but again it wasn't about that, it

790
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: was about his perspective on it. So it does highlight

791
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: what a complex issue is. And I didn't realize how

792
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: comparatively even less they get paid for, you know, working

793
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: in the kitchen or machine shop or whatever else, you know,

794
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: on the prison grounds. That's insane and of itself. So

795
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 3: this is a much larger, you know, discussion about reform

796
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: in terms of like what prisoners are compensated. But to

797
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: your point, Matt, you know, it does feel separate from

798
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: what happens outside, but there should be a little bit

799
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: more parody between the two. Yeah, yep.

800
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: Just that concept of a group of firefighters welcoming in

801
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: another group of incarcerated men. They don't see them as that,

802
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: They see them as human beings that are going to

803
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: help them solve major problem. Right, And that's all you see,

804
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: and that's all it has to be. There are of course,

805
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: you know, there's minutia to get into, depending on what

806
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: specific crimes and all that stuff that you have to

807
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: take into consideration at some level, but at you know,

808
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: if you can drill down deep enough, I think you

809
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: can find the humanity in everybody. So guy has some

810
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: other stuff I wanted to say here. Lease I'm kind

811
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: of losing it a bit, but.

812
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: It's just.

813
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking about social media and some of our

814
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: talks about attention span talks about the click is the

815
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: most important thing. How do you get that click? How

816
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: do you get the eyeball on it so they don't

817
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: scroll away a user? Right, A story about incarcerated firefighters

818
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: being wronged by a system, I think is going to

819
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: get a lot more clicks than a personal story from Jason,

820
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: let's say, or a group of firefighters who say, Hey,

821
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: this was really incredibly meaningful for us to be able

822
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: to do this.

823
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: And this person is not coming at us from a

824
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 3: place of being like a shill or a poster boy

825
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: for some kind of program like this is a human

826
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: experience being shared directly from the human who experienced it.

827
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: And I don't know that's how it hit me, you know,

828
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: So I guess what I was getting at with stuff

829
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: on paper versus like when you actually talk to people.

830
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: I think that's just always so important to remember about

831
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: anything is it's so easy to spin up one version

832
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: or perspective about a thing that is certainly can be valid,

833
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: but it completely ignores just the like broadness of people's

834
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: experiences oftentimes. And it's so because of the black and

835
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: white of the Internet and social media. It's so easy

836
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: to need to wrap it in some kind of cut

837
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 3: and dry, sort of like shell so that people can

838
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: eat it up and be mad about it or be gushy,

839
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: bleeding heart about it instead out you know what I'm.

840
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: Saying, mostly mad, though mostly mad.

841
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: It's mad, right, it's it's almost exclusively mad.

842
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: That's how the algorithm works.

843
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: For the short form stuff especially, you know, yeah.

844
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's gonna elicit a comment from you, which

845
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 2: generally means you're fired up enough. You know, if you

846
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: like something a lot, you're like, wow, this is incredible,

847
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: you might give it a little heart and then send

848
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: it to a buddy or something like that. But if

849
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: you're fired up, you're gonna comment, and then somebody else

850
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: might get fired up, and then they're gonna comment, and

851
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: then you might comment back. And guess what, you spend

852
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: a ton of time on their platform or app or whatever,

853
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: just creepy stuff. Well, hey, we're gonna tell you how

854
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: to contact us at the end of the show. Please

855
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: let us know if you have any thoughts on this stuff,

856
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: you have any experience you want to share and send

857
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: it our way. We'd love to hear it, and we'd

858
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: also love to share it with the class if we can.

859
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861
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863
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Speaker 2: a story we covered that hit a little too close

864
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Speaker 2: to home, but in a good way. I think, in

865
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Speaker 2: a good way. A while back we interviewed Carryl Miller,

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Speaker 2: the host of kill List, and that is a story

867
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Speaker 2: that we'll talk more about after the break. But it's

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Speaker 2: a story about the darknet and hired assassins and scams

869
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Speaker 2: and actual real life people that want to kill other people.

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Speaker 2: It's a deep, dark story. You can listen to that

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Speaker 2: episode right now if you want to. Here is Troglodite's experience.

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Speaker 10: All right, hey, this is Troglodite again. I'm listening to

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Speaker 10: your new episode about the dangers of the Dark Web,

874
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Speaker 10: and you're talking about Amien Stephen online they I'm not

875
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Speaker 10: even kidding. You were my neighbors. My little sister baby

876
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 10: sat for their child. I went to their house for

877
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Speaker 10: the National Night Out, and they that murder happened my

878
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 10: first year of college, when I moved away to go

879
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Speaker 10: to college for the first time, and it was the

880
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Speaker 10: wildest thing I ever experienced. I grew up down the

881
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Speaker 10: street from their house, and their property was then sold

882
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Speaker 10: and now like a huge subdivision of houses they are

883
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Speaker 10: being put on there. If you want to talk about

884
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Speaker 10: that Stephen an amy Allwine case, I lived it, and

885
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Speaker 10: I love your show so much, thank you so much.

886
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Speaker 10: When you were doing that dark Web stuff, I was like,

887
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Speaker 10: oh my god, I I know a dark Web assassin

888
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 10: story because that was my neighbors. And then you said

889
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Speaker 10: Amy all Wine, and my jaw hit the floor and

890
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Speaker 10: I stopped and I pulled the car over and I

891
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Speaker 10: called and I was like, oh my god. So now

892
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Speaker 10: I get to listen to the whole thing about what

893
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Speaker 10: you guys found. But yeah, crazy crazy, crazy crazy sus

894
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Speaker 10: think you love the show, you can use whatever I say.

895
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Speaker 3: By there we go stru Okay, okaye. Really, yes, he

896
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Speaker 3: kind of looks like a dude who would hire an

897
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Speaker 3: internet assassin to kill man a little bit. Man, I'm

898
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Speaker 3: just looking at this picture of him. I've never seen

899
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Speaker 3: this guy before, and he has a little bit of

900
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Speaker 3: what it was like a one thousand miles stare.

901
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the story if you happen to actually

902
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: listen to kill List, this is the story that opens

903
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Speaker 2: the entire show. It's a story of a man that

904
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Speaker 2: called nine to one one because his wife had been

905
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Speaker 2: shot and she was dead. And after, you know, the

906
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: police began investigating, they found out that, oh, it does

907
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: appear that he killed his wife, that Stephen killed his wife.

908
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: It appears that way, and he's currently serving time because

909
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: of that. It's a complicated story, but it all goes

910
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Speaker 2: back to how he attempted to hire a hitman on

911
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Speaker 2: the darknet.

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Speaker 3: He did, yeah, okay, so it looks like he attempted

913
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Speaker 3: it and was unsuccessful, and then he felt strongly enough

914
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Speaker 3: about it that he went through with it himself.

915
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Speaker 2: Right, yes, Which is really the entire point of the

916
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Speaker 2: kill List show or kill List if you look it up,

917
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Speaker 2: it's that there there was this fake assassin's website where

918
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Speaker 2: people were paying tens of thousands of dollars to have

919
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: other people assassinated. But the site itself was a scam

920
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: and it was money just being taken in by somebody else, right.

921
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Speaker 3: But what.

922
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: Carl Miller and the rest of the team that he

923
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: was working with realized is that every single human being

924
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: who has paid money into the site is potentially a killer,

925
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: right because they wanted that desire to have someone else

926
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Speaker 2: dead could lead them to do what Stephen Olwine did

927
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Speaker 2: and kill that person in real life rather than have

928
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Speaker 2: somebody else do it. So check that out. Pretty great

929
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Speaker 2: episode in great podcast if you ask me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard of it, and I've heard good things,

931
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Speaker 3: but I have not checked it out myself. I honestly,

932
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Speaker 3: I kind of tend to shy away from the hardcore

933
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: true crime stuff these days. I just listened to like

934
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: pop culture pot there's just another of that going on

935
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Speaker 3: here in the world. But it sounds like it's well made,

936
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Speaker 3: and we've all of course participated in making these types

937
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: of shows, so this sounds like a high quality one

938
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Speaker 3: for sure.

939
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's a very unique, very cool perspective, and you're on

941
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: the ground with them as they're attempting to basically save

942
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: people from potential murder. It's intense stuff. On a lighter note.

943
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Speaker 3: Yes, we always like to end on a lighter note.

944
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: Let's go out on a.

945
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let this person take us there, take us

946
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Speaker 2: all the way there.

947
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is offster hot pants. Well in talking

948
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Speaker 7: about foods that have a weird connection with dreams. When

949
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Speaker 7: I was a Mormon missionary, one of the rules is,

950
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 7: of course, you know, you can't have any kind of

951
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 7: specual relations with someone of the opposite gender, including up

952
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 7: hugging as well, just to kind of help, you know,

953
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 7: keep that temptation away while you're a missionary. Now, there

954
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 7: was a myth that I heard as a missionary. I

955
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 7: never tried it myself, that if you were to eat

956
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 7: three bananas right before going to bed, you wouldn'tduce yourself

957
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 7: into having a wet dream. Now, I'd heard this second

958
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 7: hand claim it you and in you know, the area

959
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 7: where I served among other missionaries. I never saw it personally.

960
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 7: I always thought it was kind of funny, but again

961
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Speaker 7: I never tried it personally, so I can't say if

962
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Speaker 7: it was just something that was induced by you know,

963
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 7: thought power, whatever, that's called when you know, sugarpark kind

964
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Speaker 7: of thing. Anyways, thank you so much, guys for everything

965
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 7: you guys do. Show great, have a good day.

966
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Speaker 3: All right. How many bananas was that again?

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Speaker 2: Three bananas, according to Officer Hotpants. Just so everyone knows,

968
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Speaker 2: I've got four bananas in my house right now. One

969
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: is for my son's breakfast in the morning and the

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00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: other three for later tonight. All right, what a what

971
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: a fun idea. You can find all kinds of stuff

972
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Speaker 2: online about consuming bananas and milk fore bed and all

973
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: kinds of other things to get potassium and certain nutrients

974
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Speaker 2: in your body before you sleep, for you know, all

975
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Speaker 2: the beneficial effects of that stuff. It's tough to know

976
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Speaker 2: what's actually backed by science, you know. And then I

977
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Speaker 2: can't find anything that is actually connecting potassium intake and

978
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Speaker 2: banana intake to nocturnal e missions of one form or another.

979
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Speaker 2: But hey, let us know what you find. Get out

980
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: there and experiment with them bananas, just like I'm gonna

981
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: do that.

982
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna question cont on that one, buddy. Yeah, get

983
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: out there and experiment with those bananas. Let us know

984
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Speaker 3: what wild stuff you get up to with bananas out there.

985
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Speaker 3: In the real world. Were pretty easy to find.

986
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Speaker 2: Oh, you can find us all over the place. We're

987
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: on the internet. We're on YouTube conspiracy stuff, We're on Instagram,

988
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff show. I think you can still find us

989
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: on TikTok if that still exists. When you're hearing this,

990
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: there's other stuff Twitter, I mean, x Facebook, conspiracy stuff.

991
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 2: Just look around, you'll find us.

992
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: And Hey, if you want to get in touch with us,

993
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: just like many of our listeners today did, Matt, I'm

994
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: gonna have to get you to give us those names

995
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: of our amazing voicemailers. You can call us at one

996
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Speaker 3: A three three STDWYTK Matt, tell them how it goes.

997
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: Yes, when you call in, give yourself a cool nickname

998
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: and let us know within the voicemail if we can

999
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,960
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1000
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Speaker 2: three minutes say whatever you'd like. Call in, just like

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00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,680
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1002
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1003
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Speaker 2: an email.

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