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Speaker 1: Imagine, on the most romantic day of the year, you

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Speaker 1: have two people reach out to you, both asking if

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Speaker 1: they can be your Valentine. Oh my god, are you

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Speaker 1: in a dream?

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Speaker 2: Jeff?

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Speaker 1: Wake up? It's both together. It's not about me, it's

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Speaker 1: about one of our listeners. What do you do? Cause

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Speaker 1: I could tell you with full certainty you should not

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Speaker 1: do what this listener did, because it's landed him here

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Speaker 1: asking for help with an awkward Tuesday phone call. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear all about the fateful decision he made coming

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Speaker 1: up next.

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Speaker 3: It's awkward.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's awkward Tuesday phone call. What percentage do you think

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Speaker 1: dating experts say getting back together with an X is

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Speaker 1: a good idea? I mean only times I've heard of it,

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Speaker 1: literally got married good idea?

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Speaker 2: Or fun idea?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, but maybe they've grown brook. Maybe the problems

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Speaker 1: that caused your breakup are all resolved now. Ah, maybe

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Speaker 1: the statute of limitations on that restraining order finally expired

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Speaker 1: and you're free.

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Speaker 4: Yay.

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Speaker 1: That's not a romantic So what's the expert's final number

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Speaker 1: on the chances that will work out with your ex?

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Speaker 1: Less than five percent?

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Speaker 2: So you're saying there's a chance it's above zero. It's

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Speaker 2: actually better than I expected.

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Speaker 5: I know two different couples that broke up and then

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Speaker 5: years later got back and they're married.

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Speaker 2: Just wait for the divorce.

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Speaker 1: But nobody knows those percentage numbers more than our listener.

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Speaker 1: Brock reached out to our show needing some help. Rock

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Speaker 1: Welcome to your.

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Speaker 3: Life, man. I really wish I would have heard a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. I would I would have made

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Speaker 3: a couple of different decisions.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you should just be was googling the divorce

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Speaker 1: round periodically.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you're in deep regret right now.

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Speaker 3: That's a bulls eye right there.

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Speaker 1: Who good job, but we.

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Speaker 2: Can work from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened? Why do you say that?

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Speaker 3: So? I was seeing this new girl for a month, Chloe,

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Speaker 3: super casual, new relationships. Things are going great. We've really

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Speaker 3: hit it off and really connect And on Valentine's Day

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Speaker 3: she reaches out and she asked me if I want

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Speaker 3: to be her Valentine. Oh, I got asked, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: that's what every guy wants, you know, Like I feel special.

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Speaker 3: I said, yes, I'll be your Valentine.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, does that mean she's going to plan a date?

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: I mean I didn't know what it really meant. I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm with you and you're with me, so cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, it's almost like a cute way to ask

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Speaker 4: to be exclusive.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I mean Valentine's just hang out that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, things are good though, you're flattered, people happy.

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Speaker 1: Sure, So what happened next?

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Speaker 3: Well, my ex she texted me the same day, and

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Speaker 3: it was the long one. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 6: It was basically her saying how much she missed me,

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Speaker 6: how she felt bad about our relationship ending the way

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Speaker 6: it did. She laughed me for somebody else. She wished

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Speaker 6: that she could take it all.

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Speaker 4: Back Valentine's Day when she suddenly single again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And.

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Speaker 3: She also told me she wanted to see me for

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Speaker 3: Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: Oh but you've already said yes to Chloe.

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Speaker 2: You're already someone's Valentine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. But I also still had feelings for her,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't break up that long ago. It was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 1: That does change it a little.

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Speaker 2: I could see that we've been there so.

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Speaker 1: What did you do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I said, yes, I'd be her Valentine's too,

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Speaker 3: try to do.

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Speaker 1: A doubles Valentine.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he hasn't this out too far?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I like where this is going. So what

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Speaker 3: Oh? I mean first time I hung out with Chloe

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Speaker 3: and then it was great and fun, and then I

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't think it was gonna work out.

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Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Two women were made happy that day, and Brooke,

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Speaker 2: You hung out with them on the same day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the day of the year.

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Speaker 2: I'm like a late day, late celebration with.

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Speaker 3: One of them. I mean, what can I do? I

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Speaker 3: was two people's Valentine's and I had to be there.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, yeah, it sounds like you probably didn't feel

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Speaker 1: So what's happened since then?

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Speaker 3: So I'd spent more time with my ex and we

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same thing that happened the first time.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's like first time, shamu you second time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's saying. I think I've always heard

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one.

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Speaker 2: Blame the Yeah, it's not cool of her. I would

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Speaker 1: All right. So you've reached out for an awkward Tuesday?

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Speaker 1: What made you do that? Where are you hoping to

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 3: I need you guys to call Chloe for me?

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, rebound double time. I don't say dad, I

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Speaker 5: mean this is more like I was robbed of an

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Speaker 5: opportunity to build something genuine with Chloe because of my ex.

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Speaker 5: Chloe doesn't know about any of this that's happened, and

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Speaker 5: I need this to be smoothing.

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Speaker 1: You want to tell her?

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Speaker 2: What did you tell Chloe?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: I mean, did you stop seeing her while you got

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Speaker 3: I mean I've been more distant and I haven't hung

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're seeing both. She's probably clocked on by now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we don't know. Is there any hints that

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Speaker 3: Now, nothing does that.

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Speaker 2: Feel like cheating?

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Speaker 4: I mean, if Chloe were to have been seeing another guy,

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I didn't know even no nice, I.

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Speaker 2: Like that.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not aware of it, But it's not cheating.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing for me to be upset about her.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, so now you messy. You want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is only a couple of weeks ago. Like,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you've kind of ghosted her for a couple

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, some girls like head games that no one

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Speaker 1: ever Well, we're going to have to play them when

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Speaker 1: we come back. Give our advice to Brock and let

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Speaker 1: him make his awkward Tuesday phone call trying to reignite

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Speaker 1: things with Chloe coming up right after this.

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Speaker 3: It's awkward.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's awkward Tuesday. Phone call. Who wouldn't want to jump

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Speaker 1: into the dating pool after this? Because our listener, Brock,

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Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, was put in a tough

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Speaker 1: they could be his valentine on Cupid's Big Day.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't say no.

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Speaker 1: Well, first was a girl named Chloe that he'd been

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Speaker 1: Then he got a message from his ex Yikes, also

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Speaker 1: asking to see him, and Brock said yes to her too,

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Speaker 1: same way as before, leaving him for a different guy.

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Speaker 1: I left you for my ex. So how does he

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Speaker 1: pull that off? Brooke?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that last part is totally wrong.

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Speaker 4: I've been in this position before, and I think this

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Speaker 4: is what you have to do, is you have to

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Speaker 4: come clean and you have to say, listen, that experience

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Speaker 4: really taught me something, and it's that I'm so over

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Speaker 1: Oh that's mature, Brock. Are you still awake after that?

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Speaker 3: I mean yes and no.

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Speaker 2: Do you come out looking like the hero, Brock.

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Speaker 3: It is super risky to do that though.

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Speaker 1: That's making yourself very vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: But you're honest, She wins. I mean, I don't see

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she's not going to be offended when she

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Speaker 2: But you're hanging out for a month totally.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Now you have that piece of advice, Brock. Jose,

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a famous Seinfeld episode where Kramer gets fired

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Speaker 5: and he just keeps showing up to work.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, nobody notices. Yeah yeah, So you gotta do.

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Speaker 5: The same thing, act like nothing happened and you guys

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Speaker 5: are still doing good.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what we just talked about our show called

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Speaker 2: ghost lighting?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, ghosts where ghosted someone and then you pretend

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Speaker 4: like you didn't.

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Speaker 1: It is the hot, cool new thing to do right

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Speaker 1: now in the dating world. So I like Jose's advice.

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Speaker 1: Very topical. He's already ghosted. He just seems to do

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Speaker 1: the gaslighting.

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Speaker 2: Very topical or very toxic. You could choose mature toxic

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Speaker 2: here twice, two options.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's toxic. I think again, Like, if

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Speaker 3: she doesn't know, then nothing that happened, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Haven't talked to her in a week. She knows something,

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Speaker 2: she's got a moral, but.

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Speaker 1: She won't know. If he's just feeling the good vibe.

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Speaker 1: She'll just ride that train with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who's to say something that happened?

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Speaker 1: That's right?

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Speaker 3: Maybe I was in an accident, maybe my dog died.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't know her make.

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Speaker 2: Up a little far, But go ahead, ghost lighter.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, Chloe, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Who is this?

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Speaker 3: Hey? It's Mad It's Brock. What's up? Oh? What number is? Oh?

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Speaker 3: it's just it's been a huge Yeah it was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's been this whole process and complicated. How are that

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Speaker 3: What are you pulling for? I don't know. I was

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Speaker 3: What about you and your ex?

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Speaker 3: No, what what are you? What are you talking about? Okay,

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Speaker 3: I swear I saw a photo of you in your

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Speaker 3: It's funny. My eggs also texted me with some cry

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Speaker 3: and you know stupid me, right, dumb idiot, Hello, Brock,

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Speaker 3: Oh but you saw me earlier that night. Look, it

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Speaker 3: Like, well, what do you want from me? Now? Okay?

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Speaker 4: What are these people?

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Speaker 2: And let us step in here for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Maybe because hey, Chloe, you're on a radio show right now.

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Speaker 1: It's called Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, do I like win something for going out

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Speaker 4: That's a little no, I mean, can't we just stick

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason that we're calling you is this is

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Speaker 2: He's very regretful for hooking back up with his ice.

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Speaker 3: Man. You guys should have done this, like, you are

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Speaker 4: Well, you included way too many details, like especially the

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: It's not my fault.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, you did say come completely clean Brook

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Speaker 2: You didn't take ownership of anything, Brock.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point, bro my fault like she played me. Well, Well,

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Speaker 1: the ownership is you made the decision to get back

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Speaker 1: about that, right Chloe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I have no synthy literally zero.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: I mean you should though, because you were robbed of

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, you were both yeah, by your devious ex

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Speaker 3: I mean no, we can. We can definitely go out

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Speaker 1: No, you've given all the menu options.

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Speaker 2: We know Brock.

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Speaker 1: That's great, Chloe.

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Speaker 2: Were you ever excited about Brock like before the X.

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Speaker 1: Are you fully moved on from Brock? Or is there

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Speaker 3: Are you asking that? So? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think this has been very clear from the

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Speaker 1: Sounding like you're not buying what Brock is putting down.

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Speaker 3: Chloe, You're okay with missing out on all of this

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Speaker 2: Why do I imagine him pointing to it.

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Speaker 1: You're going to miss out on so much steak in

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Speaker 3: And don't forget then no one else can offer that

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, very very clear boundaries.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm awkward, I guess I understand.

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Speaker 1: I am sure very I am so sorry about Brooks advice.

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Speaker 1: If you had gotten something else, you would have been able.

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Speaker 4: I didn't tell him to go into details about how

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Speaker 1: Well, remember we learned experts say there's less than a

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Speaker 3: I mean, just one a time. I'm gonna take my

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Speaker 1: You don't she takes you back again, Brook and Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: in the morning. It's always a good move to threaten

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Speaker 2: Right, I would laugh if he said that to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, my ex never had any issues taking out the trash,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The first side of the healthy relationship jeff Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: she already knew that he was kind of back with

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Speaker 4: like some sort of research model of how to handle

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Speaker 2: She did so.

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Speaker 1: Well total indifference in sarcasts played well. But you know

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