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Speaker 1: it's affiliates or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, March sixteenth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stack night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: Get ready, everybody.

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Speaker 2: The verdict is in in the Corey Richins I potentially

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Speaker 2: allegedly poisoned my husband trial.

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Speaker 3: I am dying to unpack this with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Plus a major update in that tragedy in Georgia where

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Speaker 2: the teacher was run over by one of his students.

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Speaker 2: Major update on that as well. Plus the wife of

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Speaker 2: the missing Air Force gentleman that we discussed last week

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Speaker 2: who has all of the UFO information in his head.

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Speaker 2: Potentially he's still missing, but his wife has officially spoken out.

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Speaker 2: Plus a disturbing recent prosecution related to the seven six'

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Speaker 2: four online. Terrorist oh, gosh, Yeah, courtney you've been following

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Speaker 2: this so. CLOSELY i know it's so close to your,

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Speaker 2: heart so something we want to. Explore, Also I'm Stephanie

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Speaker 2: leidecker here as always With Courtney armstrong and body move

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Speaker 2: in Our taha is off for the, evening but we

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Speaker 2: have Producer ava jumping in the hot, seat and Of,

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Speaker 2: Corus sam And adam are in the control room waiting

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Speaker 2: for your. Call please call us eight eight eight three

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Speaker 2: one crime we want to hear from, you or keep

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Speaker 2: those talk bats.

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Speaker 3: Coming Happy, monday, ladies we made. It Happy, Monday we made.

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Speaker 3: It tomorrow is my favorite day of the. Year See Patrick's,

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Speaker 3: Day Saint Patrick's.

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Speaker 4: Day.

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Speaker 2: Eve oh my, goodness two Little irish ladies That i'm

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Speaker 2: staring at right. Now do, you Guys irish dance and

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Speaker 2: make soda?

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Speaker 3: Bread, no BUT i am obsessed with. It no what

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Speaker 3: we used to make soda? Bread BUT i don't. Anymore

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Speaker 3: BUT i used to be obsessed with The highland dancing

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Speaker 3: like ups cessed with. THAT i even went Inside River

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Speaker 3: dance when it was here In. VEGAS i Love River

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Speaker 3: dance cest, Yes lord of The, dance and rivert all of,

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Speaker 3: them all that. STUFF i, want all the, dances all the,

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Speaker 3: dances all The irish. Dances bring it. On how they

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Speaker 3: make their legs move that? Way it's. Crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well Courtney armstrong too Is courtney McKenna formerly as, so,

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Speaker 2: yeah we are in some real and.

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Speaker 5: Double actually my mother's maiden, name So i'm double McKenna

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Speaker 5: AND i will be making, corn beef and cold cannon.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow do you make?

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Speaker 5: Cabbage the cold cannon is it's basically just mashed potatoes

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Speaker 5: with cabbage and leaks that are like, cooked all buttery in.

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Speaker 3: It it's, nice so. GOOD i like cats AND i Love.

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Speaker 3: Irish if you just slice cabbage like just in, slices

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Speaker 3: like A hamburger would make, it and just thrown in

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Speaker 3: the oven with some butter and garlic, sall oh my,

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Speaker 3: god just that alone is so. Delicious it tastes like.

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Speaker 3: It it kind of tastes like a steak a little.

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Speaker 3: BIT i don't, know it's delicious a. Cabbage stay what it's?

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Speaker 3: Weird this is. Crazy it's so good.

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Speaker 3: It, yeah it's. Delicious, yeah but what a crazy day? Today?

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Speaker 2: Huh what a crazy? DAY i cannot wait a second.

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Speaker 2: Longer we have to discuss The Corey richins. Verdict you

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Speaker 2: know who wants to take the? Update i'm dying to

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Speaker 2: talk about.

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Speaker 3: It let's just talk about, it you, know we can

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Speaker 3: just have a. Conversation, yes guess what they ended the closing,

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Speaker 3: arguments everybody left the. Courtroom the jury instructions were. Given

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Speaker 3: the judge was, like, okay go, deliberate AND i, thought okay.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow you, KNOW i was preparing to talk about that, today,

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Speaker 3: Right and like two and a half hours, later they're, like,

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Speaker 3: oh we have a. VERDICT i was, like what the

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Speaker 3: jury knew what exactly to. Do it's almost like they

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Speaker 3: got in there and said we're, good fam and then,

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Speaker 3: boom they just they knew exactly and guess what you

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Speaker 3: guys do we have a drum? Roll? Rah all?

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Speaker 3: Corey Corey richins officially has been found guilty on all,

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Speaker 3: charges including aggravated murder and attempted, murder even the attempted

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Speaker 3: murder From Valentine's. Day, Right, yeah they again she got back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah she was charged with aggravated and murder and other

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Speaker 3: felonies connected to financial crimes in the twenty and twenty

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Speaker 3: two death of her, Husband Eric, ritchens and she killed,

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Speaker 3: him officially with a lethal dose of fentanyl in a

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Speaker 3: cocktail she prepared for. Him how menacing is? That, here,

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Speaker 3: darling here is a COCKTAIL i made for. YOU i

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Speaker 3: know you had our. Day, sorry it's going to kill.

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Speaker 3: YOU i, mean it's so, menacing even more menacing. TOO

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Speaker 3: i don't know if it could be more.

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Speaker 2: Menacing on top of that added, menacing they have three

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Speaker 2: young boys together in a beautiful, family and then after his,

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Speaker 2: death she goes, on as you, know to you, know

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Speaker 2: make this book and write this book and put all

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Speaker 2: of our heart and sweat and mother instincts into this,

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Speaker 2: book which now looking, back is just demented and.

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Speaker 3: Sick AND i feel for her. Kids this is not

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Speaker 3: Book it's so, Interesting stephanie The e bring up the

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Speaker 3: book because this book was all About dad in, heaven,

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Speaker 3: right like father's in heaven and he's looking down on

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Speaker 3: us and he's always with us and. Whatnot and she

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Speaker 3: number one didn't even write it HOW i, mean she's

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Speaker 3: so disconnected from him actually being, dead and not only,

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Speaker 3: that but disconnected from the fact that she actually did.

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Speaker 3: It because while she was in jail awaiting, trial she

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Speaker 3: was writing letters to her, Mom, oh you, know tell

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Speaker 3: my brother to tell the you, know the lawyers That,

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Speaker 3: eric you, know the guy had just Killed uh was

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Speaker 3: asking for, drugs you know WHAT i. Mean so she

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Speaker 3: was setting him. Up she was you know slandering his

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Speaker 3: are with his. SISTER i, mean it's just very.

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Speaker 2: Demented and she also setting her own brother up to

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Speaker 2: basically lie and perjure himself in front of the judge

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Speaker 2: as well as her.

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Speaker 2: Know so there is a. Lifelessness AND i DON'T i

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Speaker 2: don't say this to be. Glib we're not jumping in

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Speaker 2: somebody else's. Despair it's a very tragic thing when somebody

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Speaker 2: is looking at life behind bars for a really long.

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Speaker 2: Time but what she has done is pretty hard to

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Speaker 2: come from in any, way and she does not appear

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Speaker 2: to get. It she doesn't seem to be, emotional she

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be giving any compassion one way or the.

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Speaker 2: Other she's like a brick wall emotionally.

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Speaker 5: Speaking the go ahead, COURT i was gonna, say so the.

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Speaker 5: Verdict we all were on our group text and watching.

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Speaker 5: IT i was, LIKE i, know BUT i thought it was.

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Speaker 5: So i've Really i've loved this judge from the. Beginning,

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Speaker 5: YES i have. To first of, all he has a,

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Speaker 3: Measured and HE i thought he gave the smartest.

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Speaker 5: Guidelines before the, verdict he, said, listen, nobody we cannot

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Speaker 5: and will not have any. Outbursts keep your hands in your,

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Speaker 5: AND i just thought it was so smart because people

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Speaker 5: and you could see in the courtroom several people were

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Speaker 5: literally preemptively sitting there just with their looking down at their,

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Speaker 3: Richards that was an only.

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Speaker 5: Reaction as you, Mentioned, stephanie she really was just kind

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Speaker 3: DOWN i was noticing her. Breathing she was breathing very,

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Speaker 3: courtney the judge was very, explicit no, emotion no. OUTBURSTS

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Speaker 3: i don't you, know if you feel like you're overcome with,

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Speaker 4: That why they are not allowed to show emotion at

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Speaker 4: is there like a reason that they have to have

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Speaker 3: FACE i think it's just court. DECORUM i really. Don't,

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Speaker 2: Jared we've seen people in the courtroom break down and it's.

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Speaker 2: TOUGH i, mean, listen good guy or bad. Guy you're

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Speaker 3: To be in your bed that. Night that is not the.

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Speaker 2: Likely and she has real psychopathic, tendencies so we've been,

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Speaker 2: told which is why she's giving so little in terms of.

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Speaker 2: Emotion and to your, point to write a, book or

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Speaker 2: to pretend to write a, book to have a ghostwriter

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Speaker 2: write the book about your children's grief to comfort, them

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Speaker 2: you have to be so incredibly disconnected and your compartmentalizing

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Speaker 2: is Gonna Jody, arius it's straight to, pray agree like

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Speaker 3: Confess, EVER i think that's exactly. Right, listen if you're

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Speaker 5: Us this is true crime tonight and we're talking about

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Speaker 5: The Corey richins. Verdict she has been found guilty on all,

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Speaker 5: charges the largest of which was included a aggravated murder

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Speaker 5: of her, Husband Eric. RICHINS i wanted to run just

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Speaker 5: a couple of the prosecution points and then we should

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Speaker 5: do some of the. Defense just the overview Prosecutor Brad,

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Speaker 5: bloodworth WHO i thought also did a great. Job you

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Speaker 5: know what he says Of Corey, richins she wanted the perfect,

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Speaker 5: life or at least the appearance of. It you, know

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Speaker 5: she was very unhappy and wanted to leave her, Husband Eric,

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Speaker 3: Money and she it's seemed like what they were. Portraying

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Speaker 5: Drive to appear, successful and she was super.

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Speaker 3: Spendy you, know she was blowing through.

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Speaker 2: Money don't forget she actually got his life insurance policy

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Speaker 2: cash and spent most of it in seconds because she

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Speaker 2: was that much in. Debt and again that's money that

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Speaker 2: could be going to their. Children you, know we talked

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Speaker 2: about this last, night that he had given his sister

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Speaker 2: the full rights to any of you, know his trust

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Speaker 2: prior to his, death because he already knew his wife

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Speaker 2: was out for him and was doing all kinds of dastardly.

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Speaker 2: Things how about the boyfriend who she said she wanted

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Speaker 2: to run away, with talk about dodging a. Bullet this

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Speaker 2: guy was next on the list, potentially AND i felt

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Speaker 2: for him when he was. Testifying he's pretty. Despondent, yeah

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Speaker 2: he seemed pretty. Despondent BUT i wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: around three. O'clock, Okay so the verdict was Read pacific

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Speaker 2: so a couple hours prior the defense from Statement, Okay

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Speaker 2: And i'm not going to read the whole, thing but

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Speaker 2: for their careful attention over the weeks of the. Trial

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Speaker 2: they said, that you, know public accusations Against, corey you,

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Speaker 2: know convicted her in the court of public opinion for

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Speaker 5: Here when we come, back we have a major update

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Speaker 3: Force general speaks. Out keep it. Here True Crime, Tonight

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Speaker 2: we Discuss courtney's big reveal of Her tuscany paint By?

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Speaker 4: is a beautiful name that we always we. Had And ginger, Said,

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Speaker 4: hi love the. SHOW i just wanted to update you

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Speaker 4: on the death of Teacher Jason. Hughes In, Gainesville. GEORGIA

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Speaker 4: i live in this community and my children Attend North Hall,

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Speaker 4: And ginger, SAID i didn't know Mister hughes or any

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Speaker 4: HUGHES a lot of media covered the story in a

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Speaker 4: horrific way that made the situation. WORSE i appreciate the

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Speaker 2: Were you, know there was a very emotional moment when

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Speaker 2: this is exact one of those cases that you all

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Speaker 5: thankfully prosecutors In Hall, Couch Hall, County, georgia they had

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Speaker 5: dismissed all. Charges, now previously it was in question whether five,

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Speaker 5: his out of. It it's been talked about. Enough but

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Speaker 5: Hughes it was raining the five kids toilet Paper Jason hughes's,

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Speaker 5: Talking about how deeply sad the prosecution of this case would.

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Speaker 3: Right, well but the guy that they were going to

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Speaker 2: Like a having a beloved teacher kind of like you,

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Speaker 3: giving you guys an update in The georgia case where

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Speaker 3: General his name Is William neil, McCaslin and he goes

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Speaker 3: By neil, Okay and this all happened In, Albuquerque New,

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Speaker 3: later and he was. Gone his, phone his, glasses all

434
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: his wearables were at the. Residence he was. Gone and

435
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 3: the authorities say that they recovered hiking boots and a

436
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: thirty eight caliber revolver at the. Home so he wasn't

437
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: like out, hiking you know WHAT i. Mean and he

438
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 3: didn't have a weapon with him because apparently this weapon

439
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 3: was his, weapon so he didn't have it with, him

440
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: so he just vanished from the.

441
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: HOME i thought he HAD i thought he had a

442
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: gun and a, wallet and then they thought they had a.

443
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: Sweatshirt but maybe they found it well in the house

444
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: after the.

445
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: Fact the. Authorities the authorities said that they found a,

446
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: sweatshirt but they don't know if it's his because it

447
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: has air force on. It but it was a great

448
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: such sweatshirt right by the. House and my, understanding and,

449
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 3: LISTEN i might be wrong about, this but my understanding

450
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: is that they didn't recover a. Wallet is? That AM

451
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 3: i wrong about? That we're Fastin they did.

452
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: Not they didn't according to This New York post article

453
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: That i'm reading right now, there they did not recover

454
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 4: his wallet or his.

455
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: Revolver, yeah they found it at the. House it's at the.

456
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: House oh so he never lost it in the first,

457
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: place so he hadn't left with it.

458
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: Period so he just.

459
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: Walked out the door with that is, shoes he had,

460
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: some but nothing with.

461
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: Them he is no, Watch, no don't, Know he's just.

462
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: Gone they haven't found any evidence of foul, play but

463
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: they haven't ruled it out, Either and this isn't really

464
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: getting a lot of, coverage, right so there's not a

465
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: whole lot of. Information On march, third THE fbi joined

466
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 3: the search out of the abundance of caution to assist

467
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: The Bernolo County sheriff's, office which is In, Albuquerque New.

468
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: Mexico he was last seen he was leaving his home

469
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: on foot between eleven and, noon and again he interacted

470
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: with this home repairman around ten. Am his wife has

471
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: come out and said that he doesn't Have, alzheimer's he

472
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: doesn't have, dementia no condition, right and he's highly intelligent and.

473
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 3: Capable but there's still reports about this like mental, fog

474
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: that he's that he's under, well so much so that

475
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: his wife came out and, said, no he has, no no.

476
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: Ability she emphasized he doesn't have any dementia Or. Alzheimer's

477
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: she downplayed his military record as a factor of him being,

478
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: missing and she said it is true that when he

479
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 3: was in The Air force he had access to some

480
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: highly classified programs and. Information he retired from The Air

481
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: force almost thirteen years ago and has only had very

482
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: commonly held clearance of. Sense it seems quite unlikely that

483
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: he was taken to, extract you, know very dated, secrets

484
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: because again thirteen years these were dated secrets by this.

485
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: Point but that is a very valid.

486
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 5: POINT i think it is she's saying.

487
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: That maybe she's saying that because she knows full well

488
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: the information in his head is highly classified and that

489
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: the government or THE cia or THE, fbi they're going

490
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: to get. Involved and she's downplaying what he potentially knows

491
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: so that whoever has him allegedly won't think there's much

492
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: to gain and to set him. Free think about were

493
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: still crazed looking For Nancy.

494
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: Guthrie, nancy why is it getting no? AIRTIME i don't,

495
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: Know it's not, Anywhere it's. Nowhere and then the wife

496
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: went on and she kind of like joked a little

497
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: bit about aliens because you, know that's been the thing

498
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: because he, was you, know in charge of all these

499
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: space programs and. Whatnot and she, said though at this,

500
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: point with absolutely no sign of, him maybe the, best

501
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up into the. Mothership,

502
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: however no sightings of a mothership hovering above the mountains

503
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: have been. REPORTED i found that kind of, weird you,

504
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: GUYS i kind of WISH i saw her say, this

505
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i do.

506
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: True it kind of read a little like glissetic AND

507
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: i was, like, well we've got a lot of you,

508
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: know humor in you when you're missing her. Husband but,

509
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: again why is there not much more of a. Search,

510
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: remember we Want Nancy guthrie. Home So i'm not saying

511
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: That nancy should not have this, attention but let's be

512
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: reminded the whole world to shut.

513
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: Down we're looking For Nancy.

514
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: Guthrie this is somebody who's you, know maybe a little bit,

515
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: younger but again a. Treasure he has served our, country

516
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: allegedly has big, secrets very unusual circumstances for him to just.

517
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Vanish why are we not looking for? Him why is

518
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: this not from page of the. Newspapers it's really hard

519
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: to find any information about.

520
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 5: It but, Also, stephanie think how many people go missing

521
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 5: that we, hear never hear that we don't. KNOW i

522
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 5: would have to imagine it is the vast. Majority, Right

523
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: Nancy guthrie is wildly an outlier and obviously has captured

524
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: the nation's.

525
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: Attention and then that ring camera foot the nest camera

526
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: footage From Nancy. GUTHRIE i think that really scared a

527
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: lot of people and brought a lot more attention To

528
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: Nancy guthrie's, disappearance although she was getting really big coverage

529
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: even before. That BUT i think you, know this frail

530
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: she was a mobile. Woman the idea of. IT i

531
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: think the country just sort of like, hearts, like what about.

532
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: The barefoot dad who's kind of strolling off into the

533
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: woods by himself with THE ufo secrets in his. Head but,

534
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: wait let's recap THE ufo, points because there has been

535
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: this little bit of a slow. Drip so it's been

536
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: said on you, know the chatter and the online, chatter

537
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: that there has been a little slow drip about disclosure

538
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: and some new information ABOUT ufo info that either the

539
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: government has we know. That of Course obama was asked

540
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: kind of off the cuff about CLASSIFIED ufo information and

541
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: he answered. That then on the heels of, That President

542
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: trump made note that certain files would be. Released then

543
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: there's been just like chatter at least in MY facocta

544
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: algorithm ABOUT UFOs and it's coming and disclosure is, near

545
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: AND i WISH i could show you some of. It,

546
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: Now let's just SAY i am, impressionable but like it

547
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: seems like that's somehow in the, converse if the fact

548
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: That i'm even talking about it right now shows that

549
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: it's being fed to me in some mass, dose and

550
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: then this guy goes, missing is it all connected and

551
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: what does it have to do With.

552
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: Epstein let's get to, that. Right it all degrees Je

553
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: epstein obviously the, connection you, know it being In New

554
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: mexico right with The zoro right branch there and, whatnot

555
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: and they're just starting to investigate that finally and then.

556
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: Missing you, know it's just Very but, Listen New mexico

557
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: is a very big, state you know WHAT i, Mean

558
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: like it doesn't miss And i'm sure people go missing

559
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: From New mexico all the. TIME i, mean just like

560
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: they do In california and In, nevada and In tennessee

561
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: and In New. York you know WHAT i. Mean it

562
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: happens all over the.

563
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: Country i'm hoping we keep the traction going, Though so

564
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: if there's not really a place in mainstream media where

565
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: some of these missing cases are getting, covered please let us,

566
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: know call, us keep us, informed BECAUSE i do think

567
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: getting the word out really does. Matter and, boy we

568
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: have the most empathetic audience in the. Land who knows

569
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: what we can figure, out you, Know and it does

570
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: take a. Village BUT i really hope this story ends.

571
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Well it doesn't really add. Up this is a guy

572
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: whose military.

573
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: Trained he's not.

574
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: Going to walk off in the woods by, himself you,

575
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: know with nothing but his his.

576
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: Feet apparently somebody saw him because they reported that he

577
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: wasn't wearing, shoes right he so is he is he?

578
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: Barefoot or is it just THAT i, mean he wasn't

579
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: taken as my point, right he was seen on. FOOT

580
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: i don't know that, right meanings he's actually on foot

581
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: under the influence of. Somebody so he was seen on,

582
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: foot and he was not wearing his hiking boots under

583
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: food because they were found at the. House AND i

584
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: think that THOSE i think the reporting early on was kind.

585
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Of, right right, Right And i'm sure his wife must

586
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: be beside, herself you. Know the article doesn't totally suggest,

587
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: that but of, course of course she. IS i just

588
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: would like to see. HER i think it should get

589
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Coverage so she's very fine.

590
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: Him we're in very you, know very borrowed time to

591
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: find him safe and. Sound that's. Right, WELL i wonder

592
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: remember that one lady In florida that we. Covered she

593
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: was in the hospital the whole, time the entire, time

594
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: that the entire, Time so MAYBE i don't, know keep it.

595
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: Here my fingers are crossed.

596
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: Too, listen, ladies we have SOME dms and some talkbacks

597
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: to get to on this very Busy monday.

598
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: Night should we go to a talk.

599
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 8: Back and listening to the. Show AND i think the

600
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 8: name of the guy was Al. Manso sounds Like, alfonso

601
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 8: but it was An. Alfonso it was a month good.

602
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: Night oh is that the little house in the?

603
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 9: Prairie that one came in live last night while we

604
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 9: were talking about. It someone was listening From Paya fi

605
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 9: In la and live senting that, Talkback so thank you

606
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 9: so much for for sending that.

607
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: In, right it was it Was almani who worked at the. Mill,

608
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: Yes almansa. Wilder oh, yeah, yes that's. Right and she

609
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: was like in competition With nelly for his. Affections, yes

610
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: like a Nickname. Monzo i'm just making that up, NOW

611
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: i don't. Remember, yeah And nellie with the curly. Hair

612
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: they own The Jazz, stoor remember, exactly The General. STORE

613
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: i love The. General. Yeah she was, nasty Nasty, melty always.

614
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: Yelling she had first Al. Manzo that's.

615
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: Right, well we were talking about that last night because

616
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: we were talking About Timothy bussfield and his arrest for you,

617
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: know sexual. Allegations he's married To Melissa, gilbert who plays

618
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: Half pint In Little house in The prairie the old

619
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: time you show that you youngins won't.

620
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: REMEMBER i loved.

621
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: It and then she now the little girl is a grown,

622
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Woman Melissa, gilbert who has her like modern Prairie, Instagram

623
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: and that's what we were talking. About and, yeah This

624
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: timothy does feel thing. CONTINUES i had more conversations about

625
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: him today Than i've ever, had and everybody's with you

626
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: that it feels as though maybe everybody needs to shut it.

627
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: Down there's victims involved.

628
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: Here those are very serious, allegations maybe a little less

629
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: on the deviled eggs and a little more just kind

630
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: of containing the family situation and then come back with

631
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: fresh new vibes or acknowledge.

632
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: IT i don't, know it's. Acknowledging it's kind of weird,

633
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: TOO i don't. KNOW i just went on this. One,

634
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: yeah you're, right she's not guilty of, anything you, Know Melissa, Gilbert,

635
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: well Half. Pint may she have a happy, life that's.

636
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: RIGHT i mean when you just when you add in

637
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: like the letter she wrote to the more in how

638
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: he is assaulting, children and then you add in this

639
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: creepy voice where she's like talking baby just every TIME

640
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: i especially with the.

641
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: Person i'm, like oh, Yeah and by the, way it's

642
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: seems like she's on my feed all day today making

643
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 2: the deviled eggs and baking and. Cooking SO i totally

644
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: see your. Point and on the flip of, that what

645
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: do you do in that? Situation can you imagine your

646
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: husband is brought up on these sexual. Allegations he's a

647
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: very high profile. Guy you think you marry the nicest

648
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: guy in the. World third, marriage they have children. COMBINED

649
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: i think they have like five or six kids. Combined

650
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: we know you think you're you're think you're off to

651
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: the races and a very happy.

652
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: Life this is for the. Birds that's. BAD i feel

653
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: bad for. HER i really need, Too, like what do

654
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: you need to get? Us she need? Do but, yeah she,

655
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: yes all of the. Things let's go to we talk

656
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: at all the.

657
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 10: Things, hi, Friendsis jada And South. Carolina So i'm sitting

658
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 10: here And i'm thinking about the straw and the test

659
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 10: strips and testing our. Alcohol but the pure fact that

660
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 10: we even have to remotely think to do these things

661
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 10: is the. User why can't humans just be? Friends, oh

662
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 10: thank my, god leave our drinks.

663
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: Alone let us have a good. Time oh so. Right

664
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: sister's so, Right she's so. Right why do we all

665
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: why cheering for you right? Now people are. Sick people are,

666
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: sick and they need to have some kind of control

667
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: that they don't have in their. Life and the only

668
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: way they get it is by hurting other people and

669
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: controlling them while they're. Hurt it's and it's the only.

670
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: THING i, mean it just it drives me.

671
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 5: Mad.

672
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah the idea that you would be sitting at a

673
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: bar and you would see somebody there and slip a

674
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: drug in their drink without them knowing, it so that

675
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: you could totally take advantage of the scenario just seems

676
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: so next. Level, AGAIN i do want to emphasize that

677
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: is not the, norm, Right that's not, everywhere but it

678
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: seems like it's really on an. Uptick you, know Young,

679
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: Ava you're the only one that we can actually point

680
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: to that knows what this is. Like do you have

681
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 2: friends or anybody in the. World is this like something

682
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: that your demo is talking?

683
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: About, YEAH i Mean i've had friends who have gotten

684
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: drugged and rufie when we've been on nights out. Together

685
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: i've had to carry them home because no way they

686
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 4: were and it was just in a situation where it

687
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: was lucky enough that we were together AND i was

688
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: not in a LIKE i wasn't inebriated to the point

689
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 4: WHERE i wasn't able to take care of. Her but

690
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 4: it's it's one of those things where it's, LIKE i

691
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 4: never like to drink UNLESS i have a friend with,

692
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: me someone trusted with. Me. EXACTLY i will very rarely

693
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: drink Unless i'm, LIKE i know someone's also here who's

694
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: got my. Back even on, DATES i always will shoot

695
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 4: for like a coffee moment over an alcohol, moment just

696
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: BECAUSE i feel like it's way more obvious if you're

697
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: acting weird in public after in a cafe versus at

698
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: like a. Bar you, know it's like ten am and

699
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: you're drinking a coffee and you start acting a little.

700
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: NEBRING i think it's a little more, obvious you, know

701
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 4: but there's no way to know for.

702
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: Sure i'm so impressed by. You ava is again our

703
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: allergy living In New York, city you, know, world living the.

704
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Life but it does take a very, wise strong young

705
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: woman to be able to navigate, that and she is

706
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: one of them THAT i am not worried. About you

707
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: are a winner and not That you're not a winner

708
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: if this happens to, you, obviously but it is something

709
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: to be hyper aware. Of and yeah you can with a. Friend,

710
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: yeah it can happen to. Anybody and you, KNOW i,

711
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: mean this is this goes back a very VERY i,

712
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: mean people have been doing this for. DECADES i was.

713
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Rufied oh, no. Seventeen, YEAH i one hundred. PERCENT i

714
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: mean one hundred. PERCENT i don't know what it, was

715
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: BUT i was one hundred percent, rufied one hundred. PERCENT

716
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: i was. Seventeen, yeah In, Westminster. California. Yeah, Wow, Yeah

717
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: i'm sorry THAT i was AT i was like. THAT

718
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 3: i was like a house. Party, yeah it's what. Happens

719
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: And i'm fifty. TWO i mean this was decades. Ago,

720
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: no people.

721
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: DO i had two different. Occasions one was a house

722
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: party and whatever the other. One but pouring vodka in.

723
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: Beer beer has a much stronger taste than, vodka so inadvertently.

724
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 5: Pounding so guys were, literally my, god doing.

725
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: That they were putting oh, wow SEE i don't, KNOW

726
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: i don't know what mine, was but they were putting

727
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: vodka in your that's so. WOW i never thought and

728
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: just you, know and to get. Girls so then if

729
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: you if in today's, world if you were to test,

730
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: that what it would just say. Alcohol, sure, Yes, wow that's.

731
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: Sneaky that is, sneaky sneaky.

732
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: And it's true, though and you know what our cawler's

733
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: point though again it goes back to like why are

734
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: they wearing a short?

735
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: Skirt you, know just asking for?

736
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: It it is crazy making AND i have to. Assume

737
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: and we have such wonderful we have great men in

738
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: the control. Room even right, now you guys get that

739
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: like no one's you, Know oh, well she had it

740
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: coming because she was wearing a denim skirt and was you,

741
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: know didn't have an any hose. On come, on that's

742
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: like so. Ancient but, yeah this whole new thing with

743
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: the roofies and the, fentanyl it's nothing.

744
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: To shake a stick.

745
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: Out and you're, right it shouldn't be on shouldn't be

746
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: on us to monitor bad.

747
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 11: Behavior but, unfortunately in the, meantime until you, know the

748
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 11: root causes are, addressed we did get a D m

749
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 11: from someone Named rachel just giving some tips about how to.

750
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: Stay safe on dates and stuff that we hadn't really discussed.

751
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: Yet if you guys want to forget so thank. You

752
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 4: for the D. M she, said regarding safety on, dates

753
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: some people use glitter makeup and touch sleeves to leave trace.

754
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 4: Evidence so that's tip number one.

755
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: NUMBER i already messed this.

756
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: Up SO i wear glitter makeup on The so IF

757
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: i put on glitter, makeup then it gets on the.

758
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: Guy and MAYBE i tell a friend That i'm wearing

759
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: glitter makeup so that they can FIND i, mean that

760
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: is just.

761
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: It's impossible to wash. Out so it's, like, oh and

762
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: he knows that you were with this person because fair

763
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 4: glitter transfers.

764
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: Us you're. Fifty we don't wear glitter, makeup you know

765
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: WHAT i. MEAN i can't even wear what's a shadow.

766
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: Anymore it makes, so.

767
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: She, says never leaving a drink. Unattended that one we've covered.

768
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: Like a little thing over your.

769
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 2: Glass if you go to the bathroom like a, coaster

770
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: or we'll bring your drink with.

771
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: You we decide to bring your drink with. YOU i

772
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: know IT'S i know it's in the. Bathroom it so

773
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: grosses people out to bring your drink into the. BATHROOM

774
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: i go awkward PERCENT i get, it but it's much

775
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: better than you, know getting. True that's so. True, yeah good.

776
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: Point definitely befriend the servers, beforehand which we were, discussing, like,

777
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: yeah good.

778
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: Call then.

779
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: This is one THAT i do in, ubers leave a

780
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: few strands of hair with intact roots on. Clothing If

781
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: i'm in an, Uber i'll pull.

782
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: Out my hair and Put is that.

783
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 4: True so that IF i go, missing there's like MY

784
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: dna is in the. Uber if.

785
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: You're, riveting you're leaving like little.

786
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: Breadcrumbs more, investigator you have to solve your, hair you,

787
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: murder thank.

788
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 9: God three pieces like scatter it in the back.

789
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: Seat in CASE.

790
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: I would be so on THAT i would be in

791
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: the lab with that. Hair we would crack that case

792
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: in ten. Seconds you would be alive and, well and

793
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: that would be the end of that.

794
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: Wrap we have you home. Safe don't do that. ANYMORE

795
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: a lot of beautiful hair she can. Spare she. Does

796
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: lick your fingers and then just like touch the windows

797
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: or something that's probably.

798
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: BETTER i, mean it doesn't hurt that, much but that's your.

799
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: Prince so just like your hand on your hands and

800
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: then put it all over the, place discuss. Everywhere i'm

801
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: just imagining any one of us sitting down with glitter

802
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: eyeshadow on.

803
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: That day just went real. Sideways IF i sit down

804
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: with glitter, on IMAGINE.

805
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: I would have looked like if you guys saw the,

806
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 5: OSCARS i would have looked Like conan O'Brien at the,

807
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: beginning like.

808
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: WHERE i loved. Her, yeah, imagine imagine you're single and

809
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: you go on a date with a perfectly wonderful, guy,

810
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: right and you show up and you've just licked the

811
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: windows in your. Uber now you're taking your drink to the.

812
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: Bathroom you know what is Going ava is coming with

813
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: bald patches, now, yeah, yeah you, know like the things

814
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: women have to, do like what IS i, Know it's

815
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: like it is so, True like why do we have

816
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: to look over our?

817
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: Shoulders what we do have to do is look out

818
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: for each. Other and this is for men as, Well

819
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: like you, know just in, general like walk in a,

820
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: ROOM i kind of clock where the doors. ARE i

821
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: mean ALSO i didn't stand in the. MEMBRANE i get,

822
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: that BUT i kind of clocked the. EXIT i try

823
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: to always sit facing a. Door crazy, talk AND i

824
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: like clock my, exit you, Know and IF i start

825
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: to get a weird, FEELING i listen to my. Gut,

826
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: now WHEREAS i was trained to ignore it at old.

827
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: Clock somehow it was like the. Opposite, OH i have

828
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: a gut, feeling, ignore that would be the. Default, oh

829
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: nothing to worry about their. Ignore now it's like trust your.

830
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Gut you get one little sixth. Sense and the difference

831
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: between intuition and panic is intuition just speaks to. You

832
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: there's not fear based you just it's a knowing. Right

833
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: so you got to listen to. It and by the,

834
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: way if you feel, fear take that as a que

835
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: two and.

836
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: Dip no second. Guessing you don't have to be.

837
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: Nice by the, way in honor Of Saint Patrick's, day

838
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: you can Just irish goodbye if that.

839
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 3: Is what's going to keep you. SAFE i am literally

840
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: the master of The irish. Goodbye same, here literally the. Master.

841
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: YEAH i don't say, NOTHING i just. GO i think that's.

842
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: FINE i think The irish have that.

843
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: RIGHT i the big goodbyes is kind of makes everybody

844
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: else feel weird and now should take to.

845
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: Day, yeah let's, Go and then it makes everybody else

846
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: want to.

847
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: Go and if you're giving the, party you're, like, oh

848
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: this person's, going they're gonna take that one with, them.

849
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: And the, Goodbyes, no good, bye me to. There i'll

850
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: meet you. There it is? Right what else we got

851
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: if you're just joining? Us this is?

852
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: Anywhere, yeah we we've lost the thread, somewhere but we're

853
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 5: going to get. Back we're doing some d ms and,

854
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 5: yeah hearing a few d ms and talk.

855
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: Back so Producer, ava what do we?

856
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: Get so just to put put a lid a cap

857
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 4: On RACHEL'S, Dm, STEPHANIE i think her last point is

858
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: is really exactly what you were just, saying which is.

859
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: Defensive this is A rachel. Quote defensive dating is better than.

860
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: Rape use your, voice defensive.

861
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: Dating oh my, god she needs To oh my, gosh

862
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: she needs to teach a course. Dating rachel call.

863
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Us and, like let's do some you, know talking it,

864
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: through because that's a very everyday situation that so many

865
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: people find themselves, in and particularly when.

866
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: You're on a first, date there's.

867
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: Nerves you don't want to be too, much so you're

868
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: like you're maybe a little lax with some of your

869
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: the things that you would normally roll an eye, at

870
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: which you know we're encouraging you not.

871
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: To and then you get a cocktail in you and

872
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: you know you've had a glass of wine and, yeah

873
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: that's how we have more not not corny AND i

874
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: on lent on that.

875
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 4: Date.

876
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 5: Right, well like that terrible case we were, covering and

877
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: we will when it goes to, trial assuming it, does

878
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 5: of the former police officer in THE dc area who

879
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 5: over years multiple women he was drugging. Them seem like

880
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: the nicest guy and would wait for someone to go

881
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 5: to the, restroom drug their drink and then film.

882
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: Assaults, Right so why didn't he like carry her out

883
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: like fireman style?

884
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Too they have that on, Surveillance like that's another crazy.

885
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: Thing we have to look out for each. Other i've

886
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: done this many times Where i've seen like a young

887
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: couple like maybe arguing or he's talking a little poorly to,

888
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: her And i'll, linger you, Know i'm not going to,

889
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: interrupt But i'll just make sure that she's getting to

890
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: where she's going and make eye contacts with, her just

891
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: to kind of do a gut. Check you, know are

892
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: you okay by the way this goes both? Ways if

893
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: it was a man, too this is. Not but you,

894
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: know we just have to like be kind to each

895
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: other and just you, know have each other's.

896
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: Back.

897
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: YEP i just want to share one MORE dm to

898
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: put a lid on this BECAUSE i think it's. Relevant

899
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 4: jen sent this in a couple of weeks. Ago she,

900
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 4: said we talk about domestic violence frequently in our house

901
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: with our. DAUGHTERS i brought it up with my, daughter

902
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: who's a high school senior after this week's, episode she

903
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: started a fundraiser for our local domestic violence. Shelter just

904
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: a reminder that your episodes are making impacts on the.

905
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: World oh my, god stop the. Presses that's. Amazing you're.

906
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: Amazing your daughter is amazing. Us.

907
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 5: Wonderful you want to, Donate listen absolutely and also keep it.

908
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 5: Here coming up at the top of the, hour we

909
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 5: have many more stories true crime, Tonight yes we.

910
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: Do welcome back To True Crime tonight On. iHeartRadio we're

911
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the. Time I'm Stephanie leidecker here

912
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: With Courtney armstrong And Body.

913
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 3: Movin welcome to the second.

914
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Hour if you've missed any of the first No, stress

915
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: you can always catch us after as a. Podcast please

916
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: do just download Your iHeartRadio app and you could either

917
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: listen to the podcast or you could also leave us

918
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: at talk back and you could be on the.

919
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: Show by the, way those talkbacks are, great keep them.

920
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: COMING i love the. Tips by the.

921
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: Way seven six' four this very horrible extreme group which

922
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: we've talked about on the, show before and obviously we

923
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: did the Podcast in Cells that courtney did an extraordinary

924
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: job on and, you know we touch on it. Since

925
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: THEN but i think our eyes have really just been

926
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: open to this whole world really since. That podcast so seven,

927
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: sixty four it's it's the, Real Thing, courtney armstrong do

928
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: you want to give us a bit of an.

929
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: Update. There.

930
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 5: Yeah absolutely there's been a recent arrest of a Man

931
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 5: Named Ian popolock. Popolock rather this Happened, in pennsylvania and

932
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: this arrest really highlights a very worrying rise in.

933
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: The activity linked to this seven sixty.

934
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: Four, network now what the seven sixty four network is

935
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: is a decentralized so not only, one.

936
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: Place it is.

937
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 5: Literally worldwide it is a decentralized online group and it's

938
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 5: known for nihilistic violent extremism, targeting miners.

939
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: Very, yes miners.

940
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 5: Very young we're talking, you know eight to seventeen. Years old,

941
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 5: largely girls, many, boys however the statistically, more girls and

942
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: this seven six four network it grew out of cl

943
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 5: EXCUSE me cvlt group back in twenty, twenty one and

944
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 5: what the group's real goal admission is to play on

945
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 5: pray on children, through, sextortion coercion and. Sadistic practices, excuse

946
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 5: me this topic.

947
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 3: Is making me lose.

948
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 5: My words but people who are members of, this group

949
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 5: they connect. With children it almost always starts. Really benign

950
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 5: they have actual playbooks and it will, be hey you're

951
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 5: such a. Good gamer let's take this over to. Another,

952
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 5: chat oh let me, give you, you know send you some

953
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: uber eats, or something and then that leads to abusive

954
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: having the children do really horrific acts online that they

955
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 5: are then often.

956
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: What's The word i'm, reaching for black blackmailed for as collateral.

957
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 2: Against them i'm going to tell, Your parents, oh wait

958
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: you said that about so. And so i'm going to

959
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: send this, to you send this. To them can you

960
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: imagine if that happened to me as an adult woman,

961
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: RIGHT now i would be heart wrenching and. So scary imagine,

962
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: if you're, you know a twelve year old just trying

963
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: to figure out. The world, you've been, you know basically

964
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: bribed into doing something inappropriate that you probably know, was

965
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 2: terrible and you hope that nobody, finds out and now

966
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: you're being blackmailed for that and as, a result you

967
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: have to do something bad to. Somebody else that's kind of,

968
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: the routine by, The, way courtney when she did her

969
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: first interview for, this podcast but also this particular seven,

970
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: sixty four you are distraught after talking to somebody about seven.

971
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 5: Sixty, four yeah one of the. FEDERAL prosecutors i had

972
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 5: mentioned him, last WEEK and. I do i want to

973
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 5: have him on the show. Again soon he's offered and

974
00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 5: he's very knowledgeable in. Internet crimes, but yes, it absolutely

975
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 5: it literally has changed my.

976
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: Life without it.

977
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 5: Just has SO the fbi they consider this network seven

978
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 5: sixty four As a tier, one threat and this, recent arrest,

979
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 5: you know. Highlights that so back at the beginning of

980
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 5: this month In Pop, a locke he's twenty six years

981
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: old and he appeared in court on drug possession and child.

982
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 5: Endangerment charges he'll be back in court. Next month will

983
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: definitely follow.

984
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: The case, so, WHAT.

985
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah i was, gonna say what happened was the alleged

986
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 5: perpetrator he drove to me to seventeen year old girl

987
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 5: that he'd.

988
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: Met online he was found he was hiding in.

989
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: Her bedroom he had sex toys on him on his

990
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 5: person and had a live stream feed that.

991
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: Was going so he's lying, in wait.

992
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 5: That's right and investigators also got a backpack from him

993
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 5: that had drugs and a scalpel with surgical blades.

994
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: In it that he had he did to do with the.

995
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 5: Surgical, blades well what we do know is that, this

996
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 5: victim the seventeen year, old girl she had both fresh and.

997
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: Healed scars so.

998
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: This is that's the information to fill in gaps which

999
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 5: we don't know to. Be true very likely he over

1000
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 5: time HAD her i, mean cutting likely, on camera likely

1001
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 5: sharing with other members of seven six four network, and

1002
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 5: wow this will.

1003
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: Be.

1004
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: Interesting yeah so and he has identified within, the, group

1005
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 3: right like LOOK what i the things that you can

1006
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: make these, Kids DO like i worked with one that

1007
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 3: was basically, harming animals you. Know whatever so what they

1008
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: do is they take the video of that act and

1009
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 3: they trade it as currency within their, little sect, let's,

1010
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: say right and it's currency. For them it's, Like clout yeah.

1011
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't it's not. Real money it's just a, you know.

1012
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: Internet cloud it MEANS that i can bully.

1013
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: Somebody, though yeah and you can make them do whatever

1014
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: you want because they're so nervous about, being, EXPOSED.

1015
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: Right i mean imagine BEING when i was in. Seventh

1016
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: grade even if Somebody said i'm going to tell your

1017
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: best friend what you said, about her that would have,

1018
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 3: the edge do you KNOW what? I, mean seventh, seventh grade,

1019
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: eighth grade, ninth grade eight even in. High school of

1020
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 3: COURSE today i would. Be obsess it's still. Back then

1021
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 3: it's like your entire universe is your social and when

1022
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: they say things, like oh you know, you said because

1023
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: That's what courtney's. Exactly right they get these lobbies and, they're,

1024
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: like gosh you're just such a, good gamer join my.

1025
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: My clan and now you're this little boy who's in,

1026
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: eighth grade and, you're like oh, My god i'm going

1027
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: to be in this call of. Duty clan that's like

1028
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: you currency socially for.

1029
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: That kid and those kids that are being to and

1030
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: the kids that are being targeted are the ones that

1031
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: maybe moms working, two jobs working the, tail off so,

1032
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: you know her son is, by himself maybe for a,

1033
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: hot minute he's online and maybe feeling a, little lonesome

1034
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: and suddenly now this creep is sucking him in and

1035
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 2: he might feel like there's no way.

1036
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 5: Out, Right ABSOLUTELY and i mean it's it's so horrible

1037
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 5: the actions that they just coerce these children, to do

1038
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 5: with the, self harm with harming, younger siblings with.

1039
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: Harming animals, YOU know I think i told you guys

1040
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: a story about that that father whose son this recently

1041
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: happened To. ON facebook i talked about it a. WHILE

1042
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: ago i think his last Name is tate look. At,

1043
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: r yeah but it only took three hours for his

1044
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: son to be contacted. And extorted three. Hours by it

1045
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 3: started at seven pm and by ten pm his son.

1046
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: Was dead he committed suicide.

1047
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: That quickly that you remember, this kid, That story you

1048
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 2: shared that story many. MONTHS ago i think about it every.

1049
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: Other day it's one of those stories that just is

1050
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: like in, MY heart i feel for. THAT dad i could,

1051
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: hear it and, you know imagine you're just saying good

1052
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: night to your kid after dinner in between seven pm and.

1053
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: Ten pm that's how targeted and good at what they

1054
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: do is like why would they want to? Do this

1055
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: throw away the key on? This kid this is very

1056
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: pick on somebody your own. Size too who is? This

1057
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: clown these twenty five year old kids or adults at

1058
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: this point that are picking on, Kids, too like what

1059
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: are you getting out?

1060
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: OF this? I know can we talk about this person

1061
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: the way? They looked oh? My, god Okay, so, Courtney

1062
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 3: Okay so i'm at, work, Today right courtney sends a

1063
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 3: text Message and, i'm like and it looks like hausin

1064
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: it From the. ADAMS family i mean, the hair you? Know,

1065
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: completely yeah body is?

1066
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 5: Speakingly, Accurate Yeah and, i'm like what?

1067
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 3: Is THIS so i opened IT and i read this

1068
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: horrible Story that courtney's telling us, right now AND all

1069
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: i can think About is cousin't it From the? Adams?

1070
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: Family right with? The HAIR am i right? About that?

1071
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: So?

1072
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: Accurate yes? To, ME yes i mean it's all. Ratted

1073
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: mess his hair is like you can't even see his

1074
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 3: face and the not at. All scene. It's wild And

1075
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: then i'm he was hiding in her closet and he

1076
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: had a live. Stream going does it say anything about

1077
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: where he was live? Streaming? Too?

1078
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 5: Probably not just said he had a live stream feed

1079
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 5: that was active AND was i.

1080
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 3: Want to know who he was live? Streaming to what social? Media?

1081
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 5: Network right there's so MANY questions? I, have yeah and

1082
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: it will we will get more information on course as it. Moves,

1083
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 5: Forward absolutely but websites that are commonly used for the

1084
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 5: seven six four Network, Include, Discord, Telegram. Roadblocks minecraft, you know.

1085
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 5: We're children here's.

1086
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: Probably live Streaming to Discord or telegram or something. Like

1087
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: that so not necessarily an open social, media network but

1088
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: invite only kind, of, Situations.

1089
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 5: Right and that's actually a general part, of them is

1090
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 5: to meet on a, larger Thing, say minecraft and then

1091
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 5: go into a. Closed group if you're just, joining us

1092
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 5: we're talking about the seven. Six four it's, a nihilistic

1093
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 5: extreme extremist group that operates On the internet and, targets

1094
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 5: children and it's very.

1095
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: Important if you have any children in your life to be.

1096
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: Aware of and we have a.

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00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 12: Talk back, hey ladies my Name. Is herbert I'm, from

1098
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 12: alabama and we want to talk About the roadblock. Sword.

1099
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 12: Here now you can't even make an account on roadblogs

1100
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 12: without them asking FOR your id or. Face recognition they

1101
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 12: have it that you only can chat with certain age

1102
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 12: groups when they ask FOR your id and your photo

1103
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 12: to put you in.

1104
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: The correct age group.

1105
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 12: To chat love, you guys y'all.

1106
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: Been great we love you. So much Herbert, from alabama

1107
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: thank you so much for that. Pop, back yeah we.

1108
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: Love you but my understanding of that technology is that

1109
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: it's grossly overestimating how old the. Kids are and you

1110
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: can just use a photo that you have on. YOUR

1111
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: phone i haven't tested, it myself but that's.

1112
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: Exactly accurate you can use a photo on, your phone

1113
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 5: you can use your older brother if they're. SITTING there,

1114
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 5: i mean it's the ways, around IT are i.

1115
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: Think, The listen i'm just. GOING on i.

1116
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: DON'T either i don't love facially iding our young. People either,

1117
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: you know we're giving up all of our children's face

1118
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: recognition and a time that surveillance is really being brought,

1119
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: into conversations that's. Pretty SCARY and ai is such a

1120
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: big piece of this next conversation of what we're entering.

1121
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: REAL time i don't know that it's so great to

1122
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: allow our kids to have their faces, that recognizable certainly,

1123
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: with rodblocks when we know that they're not doing a

1124
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: super great job safekeeping the kids that they're.

1125
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 3: Dealing. WITH now, i LISTEN if i was, A parent

1126
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: i wouldn't even have pictures of my children on social

1127
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: media because people at seven sixty four can use the,

1128
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: you know the family photo that you've posted that you're so,

1129
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: proud Of and i'm sure they're Beautiful to facebook Or

1130
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 3: your instagram and use the picture of, your son, let's

1131
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 3: say or your daughter and CREATE an, ai image send

1132
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: it to them and, be like look at why are

1133
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: you sending me? Naked pictures you send me five? Hundred,

1134
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 3: Dollars wow just get your kids off of. Social media

1135
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: they have no autonomy to say yes or no. To

1136
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: THAT just, I mean i'm, begging, You, begging well how?

1137
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: About this you know The meta by, the way thank

1138
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: you for that. Talk back and that's a really good

1139
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: point on the. Roadblocks front, you know there's that big.

1140
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: Trial happening we should cover this. This week, You know

1141
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: meta is really under. The gun, they've been, you know

1142
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: fighting this class action lawsuit that's been brought up. Against

1143
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: them we covered it here. One night, we did not

1144
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: too too, long ago but it's. Still ongoing and it's

1145
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: pretty shocking to hear the creators of these, you know

1146
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: these it's all.

1147
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: The things that we touch.

1148
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: Every day, it's meta, it's, YouTube right and realizing that

1149
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: it was really never quite designed for us. To connect

1150
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: that wasn't really, the pitch wasn't really, that accurate and that's.

1151
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: A bummer and to hear people who are putting that

1152
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: into the hands of all of our, country's kids the,

1153
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: world's kids to hear that they do not let their

1154
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: kids have social media or get one hour a week

1155
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: of screen time one point five hours. A week and

1156
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: they are the ones that.

1157
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: Know everything that's that tells, you something tells you ever,

1158
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: To know it tells.

1159
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: You everything it also says that they lied and that

1160
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: you know there there's a lot of conversation about there

1161
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: being sort of this dark if there's a certain word.

1162
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: For it it's like a dark button basically where if

1163
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: a child starts to seem like they're going a, little

1164
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: dark there's a certain button that People within meta specifically

1165
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: it was attested too witness testimony said that they're supposed

1166
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: to push a certain button and it kind of makes

1167
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: the whole chack. Go away so there's no real record

1168
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: of a can necessarily having some.

1169
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 3: Diversionary thoughts so there's all.

1170
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: The safety guards and things like this that are just

1171
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: not really being put into action.

1172
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: Very clearly.

1173
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 5: I'll have, to, YEAH well i think we should. DEFINITELY

1174
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 5: covered i want to understand that.

1175
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 3: ME too i. Don't, understand, YEAH best i don't know

1176
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: how you would technically that much data and get away

1177
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: with it like it's ALL about, I mean, I know i.

1178
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: BELIEVE you i just.

1179
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: Don't get the word, right though because it was kind. Of,

1180
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: scary yeah it was a. SCARY word i hadn't heard.

1181
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: Of, It well i'll.

1182
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: FIND it i don't want to do it right now that,

1183
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: They ARE but i am curious because, you know it's

1184
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: that's really what's being looked at. Right now is are

1185
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: there any safeguards being put into play that are really

1186
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: functionally helping or is it just a lot of lip

1187
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: noise because the money in the bottom line is so

1188
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: tremendous that nobody wants to, you know let the money, train.

1189
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: End right we should definitely cover that because it is

1190
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: INTERESTING and i think it affects way more people than,

1191
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: we know all. Of, us yeah keep, It here we're

1192
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna dive into some. More things keep it.

1193
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 3: Right Here true. Crime tonight we're talking true crime all.

1194
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: The time.

1195
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 5: Welcome Back to true. Crime tonight we are talking true

1196
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 5: crime all. The Time I'm, courtney armshaw so lucky to

1197
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 5: be here with my Buddy body Movin And Stephanie leidecker

1198
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 5: boom And producer Ava and Sam and adam in the

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01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 5: control room. And listen if you've missed any part of the,

1200
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 5: show whatsoever you can always catch us A oz a

1201
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 5: podcast wherever you get.

1202
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 3: Your podcasts we'd love to hear from.

1203
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 5: You always we're at EIGHT to a three To, one

1204
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 5: crime or you can get with us on Socials At

1205
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 5: True crime tonight show on TikTok and Instagram And True

1206
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 5: crime Tonight. On facebook so what do? We think do

1207
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 5: we want to run into a? Talk back let's.

1208
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: Do, It work just.

1209
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 6: Do, it hi everyone's Smalling. From pennsylvania i'm getting caught

1210
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 6: up with some episodes and just some Thoughts and i'd

1211
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 6: like to hear what you. All say listening to all

1212
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 6: this chatter ABOUT the Ai, and epstein like all these

1213
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 6: conversations is making me feel like the government wants a

1214
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 6: stupid blue list. Not thinking because body or someone said

1215
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 6: something about don't get too wrapped UP, in ai you're

1216
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 6: going to forget how to think or something along. This

1217
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 6: Line and i've been saying that EVER since i heard

1218
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 6: ABOUT this, ai stuff is that we're getting to a

1219
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 6: point where we don't want to think. For ourselves love

1220
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 6: we all love.

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01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 5: The show sorry to go to a little bit of. A,

1222
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 5: rant no we love. A, rant welcome, Welcome here i'm

1223
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 5: here For a.

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01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 3: Mollie rant let me tell you because every time, she

1225
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: plays she's always got, the good the, Good goods, AND

1226
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: yeah i agree. With HER like ai is rotting, our

1227
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: brains then it is.

1228
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: A fact by, the way so WE. Have ai that

1229
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: is now, you KNOW chap gpt. Is everywhere it's even

1230
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 2: being used in every urge to be used, in schools

1231
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: and that is totally killing our. FREE thinking, i mean

1232
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: we were just doing a gut check even last week

1233
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: about whose? Telephone numbers do you remember in the event of?

1234
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: A blackout will you even know anybody's? Telephone numbers because

1235
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: we're so reliant on. Our phones how about? A map

1236
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 2: how many of you have a map in? Your car

1237
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: remember They.

1238
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: Don ALICE oh i, don't know, Good, girl okay make

1239
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: sure you Get Your thomas guide or whatever that thing was.

1240
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: From yesteryear is that? A thing was that? A map

1241
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: what Was That?

1242
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 5: Thomas guide was the gift that every single person got

1243
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 5: when they Moved To, los angeles, myself included and it got.

1244
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 5: Right EVERYWHERE and i, used it remember the tabs, of

1245
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 5: course and you would go to the tab.

1246
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: You, needed yeah but now we just kind of go to.

1247
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: Our phones and if we didn't have our phone in,

1248
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 2: our hand or we didn't HAVE our, gps happening what would?

1249
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: We do would you know how to? Get around same WITH,

1250
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: chat gpt we're just getting. Used to WELL maybe i

1251
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: don't have to write. THAT myself i could just IT'S.

1252
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: Chat gpt it's even In.

1253
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: Like GEMINI google's ai is now even embedded into the,

1254
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 3: search results so, you know you can't even degoid it

1255
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: unless you you KNOW what, i mean you did use

1256
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: a different, search engine but then that search engine has,

1257
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: IT too i mean eliminating chat titting for my phone,

1258
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 3: RIGHT now i don't have, ME speak, I don't i don't. Use,

1259
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: it well they also took back some of their security,

1260
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: stuff also so they can now read all your chat

1261
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: GPTs like there is no. Privacy involved this as a.

1262
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 3: Heads up the most, important INFORMATION and i was talking

1263
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: about this before, The show the most important information capitalism

1264
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: needs to know is what do? The people what are they?

1265
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: Looking for And do googles? It all google knows everything

1266
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: that we're. Looking for it is so important, for, advertisers

1267
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: right and then advertisers. Get it, they're like oh this

1268
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: the people in this you, know region they're looking, FOR

1269
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: tents i don't. Know whatever then they can sell that to, tent, makers,

1270
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 3: right yeah and then those tent makers sell it to.

1271
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: You know it's just listen and the show goes on.

1272
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: And on i'm, pretty CONDITIONAL so i.

1273
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: Think SOMETHING if i think about a, green purse Suddenly

1274
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: that i'm thinking, About it i'm not even saying it,

1275
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: out LOUD and i swear it appears in my feed

1276
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: like that is.

1277
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: A way we're reaching.

1278
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: A Level and i'm Sure that i'm exaggerating on That

1279
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: that i'm not saying that, as fact but that's what it.

1280
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: FEELS like i have the thought and then it's in,

1281
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: My head and how is that happening? So quickly there's

1282
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: got to be something. To it but it's certainly not

1283
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: to make, us brighter it's not to make us. MORE

1284
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: connected i think it's actually really designed to.

1285
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 3: Separate us do you think it could be? A syop

1286
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 3: i love talking about? A syop can we talk? About

1287
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: it can we talk about something.

1288
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 4: To?

1289
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 3: Talk about a SiO let's first. Spell, it, well okay

1290
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: do you know what a? Syop, is WELL p, sp

1291
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: right is that how you set? Psychological, Operation right it's a.

1292
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: Psychological operation so it's it's a. Planned operation so people actually,

1293
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: sit down they come up with a narrative and a

1294
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 3: campaign to drive, that narrative and it's designed to influence.

1295
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 3: The public it plays on, your emotions, your behavior and

1296
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 3: it's primarily done to gain, you know some sort of

1297
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 3: strategic or. Tactical advantage and it's often used by. Military

1298
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: forces and, you know these operations are very successful. And

1299
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: effective they're. Very successful, and listen it's not out of.

1300
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: The order it wouldn't be out of the realm of

1301
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 3: possibility for companies to take those military kind of strategic

1302
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: plans and implement them in their, own, OPERATION right, i

1303
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 3: mean it's. Not crazy this is, to, Talk right so

1304
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 3: let's go over like some of like the the, highlights

1305
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 3: here so, you know. Do it it's the broader concept

1306
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 3: is encompassing, all methods military, non military. Doesn't matter as

1307
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: long as you can affect the adversary's mind in some

1308
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 3: way to, benefit you it's. A, Siop okay and here's like.

1309
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 3: Some examples so one of the, most, LIKE uh i,

1310
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 3: guess successful although we ended up we did. Not win

1311
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 3: this War Was Operation. Wandering. Soul okay and this happened

1312
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 3: During The, Vietnam. War OKAY and i understand That producer

1313
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: ava got us an audio clip and then so we're

1314
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 3: gonna play it And then i'm gonna tell you what.

1315
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 3: It is so, just listen, Just. Listen okay what is

1316
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 3: this is.

1317
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 13: Very scary it's it's Done, in, vietnamese right so obviously

1318
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 13: we don't, understand, it right but it's it's it's supposed

1319
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 13: to mimic the sound of a ghost telling People, In vietnamese,

1320
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 13: I'm dead i'm, Your family i'm, in hell.

1321
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: Go. Home okay, so yeah Because in vietnam they it's called,

1322
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: ghost tapes and it's designed to sound like the spirit

1323
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: of like a fallen soldier speaking from. The afterlife they're

1324
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 3: very culturally believe that if you if, you die If,

1325
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 3: you're vietnamese you have to be buried, right away and

1326
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: you have to be buried in an area within your.

1327
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 3: Home area so it's it's it was basically using the

1328
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 3: cultural religious beliefs Of the vietnamese to basically say you're

1329
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 3: gonna die and so you need to get the heck out.

1330
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 3: Of Here. Wow wow and they played on this and

1331
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: it was these broadcasts were played. At night they were

1332
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 3: played from helicopters that were flying over, jungle areas from

1333
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: loudspeakers placed near suspected positions that the enemies.

1334
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 4: Were.

1335
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 3: At wow and in some cases the recordings were combined

1336
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: with leaflet drops and that warned fighters that their spirits

1337
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 3: would wander forever if they died far from their, ancestral

1338
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 3: grace which was again one of a bid that's big

1339
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: cultural belief that.

1340
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 5: They.

1341
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 3: HAD wow us troops sometimes coordinated the broadcasts with night patrols,

1342
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: or ambushes hoping like disorder, oriented people, you Know the

1343
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: vietcong would reveal their positions because they would be hearing,

1344
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 3: these ghosts, what right and they would pop up and

1345
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 3: run to get the heck out, of there and then

1346
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: they would be. Taken killed reports from You as shoulders

1347
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 3: claimed that some of the opposing troops fired at the

1348
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 3: speakers or moved away from, the sound although many historians

1349
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 3: believe the overall strategic impact was, very limited but it

1350
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 3: is largely considered one of the most successful Syops in.

1351
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: American History, wow yeah it would be. Another one so.

1352
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: In, war like WHY am i hearing about syops is

1353
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: In the epstein. Files world That's where i'm kind of.

1354
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 3: SEEING it i Feel like i'm learning that In the

1355
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 3: epstein FILES adjacent i think you're. Hearing, about Well what

1356
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 3: i'm hearing about in terms of syops With The epstein

1357
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 3: files isn't Necessarily the epstein, files themselves because everything surrounding

1358
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: all the stuff, that's happened.

1359
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 2: So many things happening that are distractions potentially or being deemed,

1360
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: as distractions so that we're not paying attention To the,

1361
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 2: epstein files and therefore there are. These syops, you know

1362
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: some are alleging THAT a ufo disclosure in a week's

1363
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 2: time would be a perfect syops to, you know be

1364
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: confusing at an already very confusing time on top of,

1365
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 2: confusing files.

1366
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 3: You know and and it is.

1367
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 2: A little bit of, psychological warfare is what it, feels

1368
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 2: like even we're under.

1369
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 3: RIGHT now a little bit, it does because it's it's a. Constant, bombardment.

1370
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah right and then so one of the, other ones

1371
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: and we've talked about this is probably arguably the MOST,

1372
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 3: famous siop And it's Cointael pro we've talked about this

1373
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 3: a couple. Of, times, yeah YES the fbi And Doctor

1374
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 3: Martin Luther. King junior so this was created BY, the

1375
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 3: fbi Obviously Under, jagger hoover and it was designed to

1376
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 3: like infiltrate and surveill his civil, rights, movement right because,

1377
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 3: they again, you know you have, to Remember the civil

1378
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 3: rights movement And The cold war were. All happening This Like,

1379
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: Red scare we're all happening at the, same, Time right

1380
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 3: so they were trying to tie them together because they

1381
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 3: wanted all the civil rights leaders to be seen. As,

1382
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: communists god, oh wow they Don't, love god. They don't they're, all.

1383
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 3: Communists right and so again the major target of This

1384
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 3: Was Martin Luther, king Junior Doctor Martin. King jr and

1385
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 3: they did wire taps on him. In surveillance and in,

1386
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 3: sixty FOUR the, fbi, anonymously okay Sent Doctor Martin Luther

1387
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 3: king junior a letter implying that they had evidence of

1388
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 3: personal misconduct and they suggested he should withdraw from the.

1389
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 3: Public life, and again this is an incident that is

1390
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: often called the, suicide letter and it reminds me of

1391
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 3: seven sixty four a. Little. Bit wow so we were just,

1392
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 3: talking about like what they do. To children this is

1393
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 3: WHAT the fbi was Doing to. Dark market they, were,

1394
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 3: like listen we have all the stirt, on you.

1395
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 2: Which someone's Doing to epstein, probably Too because epstein had dirt,

1396
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 2: on everybody is what it's. Seeming like so everyone's playing

1397
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 2: nice along because, he's, like yeah that, was nice, BUT

1398
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 2: surprise i had any cameras filming YOU, the.

1399
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 3: Fbi The well, cointeil pro not JUST, the fbi but,

1400
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 3: you know the whole program. In general, you know they

1401
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 3: Targeted The Black. Panther party they placed informants inside chapters

1402
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 3: and then they would take little bits and pieces they

1403
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 3: would learn from being inside these chapters and exaggerate them

1404
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 3: and release them to the newspaper or use them to

1405
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 3: blackmail people from Within The Black panther. Party itself and

1406
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 3: it would encourage, in fighting right because if they can

1407
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 3: destroy themselves and not and we don't have to, do

1408
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 3: anything our hands. ARE clean, i mean it's a, very.

1409
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: Smart right so they have everybody the people are fighting with,

1410
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 3: each other which is what we're, doing there which is

1411
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 3: exactly what. We're doing we are being is it? A no?

1412
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: I know he, said this are we. Being psia is

1413
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: it a psyops or we're? Being psyopsed it's NOT really.

1414
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 3: I. REALLY do i, DO too i really do think we're.

1415
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 3: Being psyopted HOW do? I see do you think We?

1416
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 4: Are?

1417
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 7: Adam oh absolutely all, The, TIME yeah i absolutely all.

1418
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 3: This time, everyone's, like oh it's, racially charged and, it's

1419
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: oh let's blame it on. This race let's blame it on,

1420
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 3: that race blame it on. That gender let's blame It

1421
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 3: on oh. They're homosexual oh, my god, they're old, they're

1422
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: young they're, from here they're. From, there meanwhile we're all

1423
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 3: on the. Same team they're just pushing us against. Each

1424
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 3: other That's the epstein CLASS that i think our learning

1425
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 3: to know is that they're playing us against. Each other,

1426
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: YOU know i didn't hug your. Neighbor immediately.

1427
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 7: YOU know a recent syop that comes to mind is

1428
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 7: actually could be The whole, QAnon thing which was. Years,

1429
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 7: ago absolutely but there are a lot of, like weird

1430
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 7: sketchy military ties With wherever QAnon originated and In.

1431
01:15:59,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: The philippines.

1432
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: That's right, so yeah they're saying that it's funny you

1433
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: should bring. THAT up i FEEL like i was reading

1434
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: this a little, bit Yesterday and i'm not even Sure what,

1435
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: i'm saying But that QAnon was created something potentially, government

1436
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: related was an Anti government it was actually a syops

1437
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: from the.

1438
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 3: GOVERNMENT allegedly i don't, really KNOW but i mean it's

1439
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 3: alleged to have sprung From. Eight chan and it was

1440
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 3: like a father son In, the philippines Who they're american

1441
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 3: but they live In the philippines because, you know they're,

1442
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 3: terrible people and they had. To leave, BUT well i

1443
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: don't know if they had, to LEAVE but i like

1444
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 3: to think that they had. To wait the father who?

1445
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: Were they who is the? Terrible people the father in

1446
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 3: the father in. The, country yeah there was the way.

1447
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 3: They fled there was a documentary. ABOUT it i don't

1448
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 3: there is remember what it, was CALLED but i remember

1449
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: there's a scene where the documentarians sitting in with the

1450
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 3: father and son who, he, is uh speculating his que

1451
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 3: and he's on some sort.

1452
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 7: Of scale she chat with people who are claiming to

1453
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 7: be military and they're like instructing the GUY of i,

1454
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 7: don't know THERE was i can't explain it, right now

1455
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 7: but there was some weird.

1456
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 3: Military, connection yeah this is a little off that off track,

1457
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: or WHATEVER but i don't Know, IF keana i don't

1458
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 3: Know if kenon was A, si o but it was definitely.

1459
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 3: Not real it's like THEY'RE not, i mean it's a

1460
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 3: it was a, real movement but whack a do to,

1461
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: its core like to? Its. Core right but, you know

1462
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 3: in more, recent times during the twenty, sixteen Election the russian,

1463
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,959
Speaker 3: troll farms and what they would do Is create facebook

1464
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: pages like really Inflammatory like louisiana men who love. Little

1465
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 3: boys they would, create, that right and then they would

1466
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 3: and then THEY and, I listen i just made. That

1467
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: up and then they would post like images saying We

1468
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: Support hillary clinton. For president and then people would share

1469
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 3: it and be like see look at even the pedalhiles

1470
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: like allan of guys right. Right right, you know so

1471
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 3: that's like a really really modern day. Sigh up and

1472
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 3: you know it was. Coordinated online thousands of fake media

1473
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: accounts were Posted, as americans all the Bots. On twitter

1474
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 3: now you can Go to twitter and see where the

1475
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 3: account was. Created, from finally because rally, it anyway SIPs

1476
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 3: are a really. Big deal stick around because we've got

1477
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 3: a lot more to Dig Into true, Graham tonight welcome

1478
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 3: Back To True. Crime Tonight.

1479
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: On iHeartRadio we're talking true crime all. The Time I'm

1480
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: stephanie leidecker Here With courtney armstrong and body move in.

1481
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 3: And listen We have ava. With us we refer to

1482
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 3: Her As baby barbara because she has done such a

1483
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: great job interviewing, you guys and did such a stand

1484
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: up job, interviewing YOU court i was learning all kinds

1485
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: of New infrom so we get to turn the tables

1486
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 3: On producer ava and conducts our own twenty thousand questions

1487
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 3: and under twenty seconds so we can learn more about

1488
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 3: her because we've gotten several d ms and uh talkbacks

1489
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 3: asking for more Details, on ava and then We'll do

1490
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 3: Whitney and Sam and adam and this game will Never

1491
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 3: tell she's, uh yeah it's next week, for sure so

1492
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 3: keeps getting out. OF it i was first for, some

1493
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 3: reason because you're. Very first you're, Number one, no Baby

1494
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 3: and tah keeps like wiggling out of It somehow he's for.

1495
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 4: Next week so, don't, worry guys start, Yeah questions.

1496
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 2: We're gonna put on a. Tight les don't. You worry

1497
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: she's got this down to. A science so, because listen

1498
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: you Know how i'm Crazy, For ava so we're gonna like.

1499
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: Court me i'm going to try not to say he's.

1500
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 3: Doing this i'm gonna.

1501
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 5: Exhip it Sam, Miss, AVA okay i love when the.

1502
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 5: Tables turn so you buy. A hunk are the youngest

1503
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 5: member Of The True crime? Tonight team so a.

1504
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 3: Hunk that, sounded rough hunk, that old yeah kind and is?

1505
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 5: Young?

1506
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah truth, but listen how did you?

1507
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 5: End up explain how you ended up with this job

1508
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 5: and also was it what you pictured?

1509
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:34,480
Speaker 4: AFTER college, I so i studied in college, political science Philosophy.

1510
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 4: And french SO obviously i had no vision for. The

1511
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 4: FUTURE what i was just fly by my pants a,

1512
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 4: little BIT and i don't know a lot of my

1513
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 4: like like true not. TRUE crime a lot of my

1514
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 4: political science people were going into like government. And lawn

1515
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 4: that stressed me OUT because i wanted to be free

1516
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 4: and spread my wings and fly and that just seemed.

1517
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 4: Too HARD so i decided to capitalize On the french aspect,

1518
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 4: of IT and i Moved to france for two YEARS

1519
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 4: and I taught English to french. High schoolers you did

1520
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 4: was doing for the past, two years AND then i,

1521
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 4: WAS like i. Can't, anymore yeah if you guys ever

1522
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 4: Did a French a, french translator that's like my. One

1523
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 4: skill BUT then i after that it was an amazing

1524
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 4: experience and an, amazing job but they did not pay me,

1525
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 4: nearly ENOUGH and i, was like. SO poor i could

1526
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 4: not afford to like buy. A TOOTHBRUSH so i, Was,

1527
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 4: like okay it's time to get a. Real JOB and

1528
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 4: i was actually planning on going back to school for

1529
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 4: journalism because it just felt like a good kind of

1530
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 4: COMPROMISE between i was, interested in like the news and

1531
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 4: staying up to date with stuff and JUST what i

1532
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 4: was curious about. The WORLD but i didn't really want

1533
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 4: to have to do like law and government because it

1534
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 4: just seemed so STRICT and i like kind of harming

1535
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 4: a little bit of wiggle room. With, It yeah And

1536
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 4: so stephanie kind of gave me this opportunity to just

1537
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 4: intern with, you guys see what it's like to work

1538
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 4: on a, real show to. Research. Stories yeah AND as

1539
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 4: i was doing, THIS job i, was, Like wait i'm

1540
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 4: going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to go

1541
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 4: to grad SCHOOL so i could get a JOB that

1542
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 4: i already kind, of have, Right right and the wheels

1543
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 4: just started TURNING and i, was Like maybe i'll just

1544
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 4: stick around and then the rest is history and spend

1545
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 4: almost a year.

1546
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 3: You Knows, ASTERS yeah i don't. Blame YOU if i

1547
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 3: could do it all, Over, AGAIN eva i would do

1548
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: journalism really. Yeah, awesome YEAH SO i i say stick,

1549
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: with it LIKE and i wouldn't go to school, for

1550
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: it just. Like you, YOU know i would just do on.

1551
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 3: The JOB and, i, THINK listen i think you'd be

1552
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 3: really good, at it like one, hundred percent like an independent.

1553
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 3: INVESTIGATIVE journalist i Can see ava in like a khaki

1554
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 3: outfit in like.

1555
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 2: The yeah her life has a ken behind her ear

1556
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 2: and she pulls it out and pulls out the pad

1557
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: and it's Like an israel.

1558
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 3: Or, Something YEAH like i can totally see her. DOING

1559
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 3: that i can, see.

1560
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: You by, the way you are a journalist AND it's,

1561
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: i mean like a body in your next life are

1562
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: going to, Be you like you are, a journalist like

1563
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: a real and it's.

1564
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 3: So true even came in and you guys. Were there

1565
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 3: she came in as.

1566
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 2: An intern, we're, like, okay well hopefully the new intern

1567
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: does a. Good job and she kicked the door down

1568
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: and you know that, was, like oh and by, THE

1569
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: way i run the. Whole show, we're like, oh great the.

1570
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: Intern's running she came in and. Owned it and it's

1571
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 2: not an. Easy gig it's a really long hours, are

1572
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: long and it's a lot of research, and honestly and.

1573
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: Then she has me to day all three.

1574
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 4: OF them I was i couldn't have asked for a

1575
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 4: better job to kind of get my start in. This

1576
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 4: field and it's just so fun and it's so amazing

1577
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 4: to be able to like see the WORK that i

1578
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 4: get to do every day immediately be put to use every.

1579
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 4: Single night it's just so rewarding and. Really COOL so

1580
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 4: i love. This job. It's awesome thank you guys.

1581
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: Do it you are really.

1582
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 5: So capable, well okay. Great word you are a volunteer

1583
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 5: at heart and you do things. In community so how

1584
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 5: did like how did that start? For you and how

1585
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 5: can maybe people do one? Small THING because i Know

1586
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 5: community spring you are very, active with so talk about.

1587
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 4: That. PLEASE yeah i almost don't even think of it.

1588
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 4: AS volunteering i used to kind of think of it,

1589
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,440
Speaker 4: that way as a very much like volunteer, charity mindset

1590
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 4: But as i've, done it it's shifted a lot more

1591
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 4: to this idea of kind of like mutual aid and. Community,

1592
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 4: organizing yes in the sense that It's like i'm not

1593
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 4: doing this for you to be nice out of the

1594
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 4: kindness of. My heart it's like we're all in, this

1595
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 4: Together and i'm going to show up for you because

1596
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 4: maybe one day you're going to need to show up.

1597
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 4: For me and that's kind of like my. Guiding principle

1598
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 4: so ANY time i kind of am in a, new

1599
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 4: community And like i've moved around, a LOT like i

1600
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 4: went to college AND then i Went to france AND

1601
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 4: now i Live In, new YORK and i THINK what

1602
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 4: i always seek to do is try and really integrate

1603
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 4: myself into my community and get, to know like who

1604
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 4: are the most vulnerable people in, my community what are?

1605
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 4: Their needs HOW can i kind of show up? For

1606
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 4: them and it changes depending On where. I'm at So

1607
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 4: in florida it had a lot to do with like like,

1608
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 4: racial JUSTICE so i was doing a lot of work

1609
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 4: around like prison work because it's such a. Problem there

1610
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 4: and then Now that I'm In, new york it has

1611
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 4: a lot to Do with i've started to get involved

1612
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 4: with like immigration justice Because Obviously new york is the city,

1613
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 4: of IMMIGRANTS so i kind of, am like this is

1614
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 4: the most vulnerable community and this IS who i can

1615
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 4: best show. Up FOR so i think it really is

1616
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 4: comunity dependent and just kind of taking a look around

1617
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 4: and just thinking like WHO can i show up for

1618
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 4: and like realizing that it's these might be the people

1619
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 4: who are going to show up. For you these are,

1620
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 4: your neighbors like you never know when you're going to.

1621
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 3: Need, them yeah such a. GREAT mindset i mean, it

1622
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 3: is it's.

1623
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 5: Really, powerful okay Your Mother jessica kaplan whatever absolute favorite

1624
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 5: guests and also OUR most i would say. Assuring guests,

1625
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 5: oh yeah she's a, family therapist family and. Individual therapist

1626
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 5: so what was it like growing up with her as?

1627
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 4: A mom honestly the greatest experience and blessing of my,

1628
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 4: Entire life, LIKE people i. DON'T know i think people

1629
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 4: kind OF cause i get asked out a lot because, they're,

1630
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 4: like oh you're. So lucky your mom's, a therapist, like

1631
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 4: hah and they kind of expect me to, be, like well,

1632
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 4: you know it's not, all good but that would be.

1633
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 4: A lie it is. All good she's just it's like

1634
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 4: the best person on. The PLANET and i think that

1635
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 4: growing up with a marriage and. Family therapist mother has

1636
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 4: just equipped me with so many skills and such knowledge

1637
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 4: that so many people don't get to have just because

1638
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 4: they don't have access to a mental health professional in

1639
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 4: their house every. Single day so it's just, been AWESOME

1640
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 4: and i feel really grateful to have her kind of

1641
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 4: be the voice in. My head Like if i'm having a,

1642
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 4: HARD day i get to kind of, Be, like okay

1643
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 4: what would my. Mom say she'd, Be, like eva take

1644
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 4: it one step at. A, time first you're gonna turn

1645
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 4: on the lights in. Your room AND like i just

1646
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 4: could hear her in my head telling me exactly what.

1647
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 3: To do that sounds so much like.

1648
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 2: Her too that is so true because she has such

1649
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: a she's like so not judgmental and has such a

1650
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 2: simple way of explaining what we're all.

1651
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Going through she's.

1652
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 4: The best it's like she always knows exactly what, to

1653
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 4: say and compounded by the fact that she knows me,

1654
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 4: so well so she knows EXACTACTLY what i need. To

1655
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 4: HEAR like i called her crying on FaceTime, last WEEK

1656
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 4: like i don't like going to the Gym In new

1657
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 4: york because it's dirtier than the Gym. In france she was,

1658
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 4: like ava you're just feeling the injustice of our nation,

1659
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 4: right now and it's being triggered by. The gym but

1660
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 4: what's really happening is you're sad about the State of.

1661
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 4: American AFFAIRS and i, was like you, Know, What mom

1662
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 4: you're so right exactly.

1663
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 3: What's happening permission to not? Work, out yes but it's,

1664
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 3: So true it is.

1665
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 5: So true It, is okay you hard launched your relationship

1666
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 5: with your boyfriend.

1667
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 3: A couple of. Weeks, ago, yeah okay and we all need.

1668
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 3: An update what when do we get to? Meet him

1669
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 3: do you get to? Meet him like his.

1670
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 4: Name Is ronaldo and we met, on hinge which is

1671
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 4: controversial on, THE show, i know but we had, because.

1672
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: No no we're just going to do it in a

1673
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: coffee shop and we're going to be in.

1674
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 3: A very well lit area and people are going to

1675
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 3: know that. You're there go we have.

1676
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 4: A, coffee date and then we went to a bookstore

1677
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 4: and then we went to the park and it was

1678
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 4: a lovely. First date and that was actually four months.

1679
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 4: Ago yesterday it was our. First date and within like

1680
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 4: three weeks we were just kind, of like we really

1681
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 4: like each other and we want to be together and

1682
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 4: we don't want to see, anyone else and so since

1683
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 4: then the rest is history and we're going. Really strong

1684
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 4: it's it's been. Really, fun, yeah.

1685
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 3: Young look at. The smile ear to ear by, the

1686
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 3: way this is one lucky this is one.

1687
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 2: Lucky Human that ava is the. Real deal and she

1688
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 2: is so smart. And bright we say it all the

1689
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: time around your, you know, around you, We're, like god she's,

1690
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 2: really bright right and you and you have a great

1691
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 2: head on. Your shoulders hats off to your parents who

1692
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 2: did such a great job.

1693
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 3: Raising you but you know the world. Needs, you, YEAH

1694
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 3: yeah i.

1695
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 4: Appreciate, that Yeah but i'll Fall in loveland. For me.

1696
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 3: No, good okay, after that hard lot to. Follow up

1697
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: so you described how you got here working on.

1698
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 5: True crime has anything surprised you or is there anything

1699
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 5: in particular that you find yourself drawn to or care to?

1700
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 3: Investigate, MORE well i.

1701
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 4: WON'T lie i was kind of a TRUE crime i wouldn't,

1702
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 4: say HATER but i would say SKEPTIC before i started

1703
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 4: working on, this SHOW because i can be like a

1704
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 4: little too woke SOMETIMES where i just kind of hate

1705
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 4: Everything because, I'M like i think it's. Not GOOD so

1706
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 4: i had this idea of true crime is like not

1707
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 4: exactly what it. REALLY is i found that it can

1708
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 4: be a really empowering experience to kind of share your

1709
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 4: story as a victim or as, a survivor and like

1710
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 4: being able to be given that platforms is like a

1711
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 4: really transformational experience, for people which was a PERSPECTIVE that

1712
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 4: i really did not UNDERSTAND until i started working on.

1713
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 4: The SHOW so i think that that has really kind

1714
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 4: of opened my mind up to true crime is not

1715
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 4: just like, exploiting PEOPLE which i think can be one

1716
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 4: person that.

1717
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 3: Can be it, can be, but, yeah gosh it, can

1718
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 3: be and. THAT sells, i mean not about it. Every

1719
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 3: day that kind of true crime. REALLY sells i mean

1720
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 3: it's not what, we do but in many others and not,

1721
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 3: just us but it really. Is popular the exploitation side

1722
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 3: of true crime is.

1723
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 4: Incredibly, popular yeah oh, of course that's like and that's kind.

1724
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 4: Of sense it's the stuff. That sells it's the most

1725
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 4: kind of like flashy true. CRIME stuff i think that's

1726
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 4: what maybe the conception is of true crime in, some

1727
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 4: circles like the ONES that i. Was in but Now

1728
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 4: that i'm kind of immersed, In it i've seen such

1729
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 4: a more like empowering and victim forward and also like

1730
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 4: justice centered side. Of it that has really opened my

1731
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 4: eyes to it a, little Bit and i'm interested in

1732
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 4: leaning into that angle as much as, humanly POSSIBLE which

1733
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 4: i think we really try to do on.

1734
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 2: THE show i love having a young, perspective too, you

1735
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 2: know a, younger perspective like she is, double hunk, younger

1736
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 2: perspective but it, is important. You know, and, like again

1737
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 2: we don't know none of but we like each other

1738
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 2: and love each other because we have differences and we're

1739
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 2: learning from. Each Other like ava jumps in and she

1740
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: shares Something and, i'm like it'll stick with me for the,

1741
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 2: whole day and'll, Be, like okay she got me. On that,

1742
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: she's right and then we'll just like that's the beauty,

1743
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 2: of IT and i think allows us.

1744
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 3: To, unpack Yeah And she's you're just. The brightest.

1745
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 4: Thank you you guys. ARE awesome i learned so much

1746
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:46,600
Speaker 4: from you. Every DAY and, i listen, you know the

1747
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 4: FIRST thing i listened TO when i wake up in,

1748
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 4: The morning, i'm like let me listen to the last.

1749
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 4: Night's show i'm like cooking my.

1750
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 3: Breakfast whatever it's.

1751
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 4: A pleasure.

1752
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: We love having you here in person at.

1753
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 2: NIGHT too, i Know keeping eva up way, AFTER hours,

1754
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: I know i.

1755
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 5: Love, it okay rapid fire and. Real quick first Celebrity Crush.

1756
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 5: Josh Hutcherson oh i'm too old that you know From The.

1757
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 4: Hunger games Bridge.

1758
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 3: To terabithia, oh, yeah okay. That's, Adorable, okay well then

1759
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 3: endurable coffee or?

1760
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:23,879
Speaker 5: Tea coffee, oh yeah morning person or NIGHT l i love.

1761
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 4: The, late morning. EARLY afternoon. I can't i'm a middle

1762
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 4: of the day have, a, GIRL yea i.

1763
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 5: Like it, and lastly if you could visit fifty countries or?

1764
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 3: Outer space what do?

1765
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 2: You, Pick oh courtney with The Is Courtney Barbara. WALTERS

1766
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 2: senior i learned from this dynamic duo is. Double trouble

1767
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 2: this one really has.

1768
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 4: ME stumped i would say, fifty countries but if it

1769
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 4: was twenty, FIVE countries i might choose. Outer space but

1770
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 4: fifty that's good over.

1771
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 3: My body. No country we're not letting her?

1772
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 4: Go to is? There?

1773
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 3: REALLY okay i.

1774
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 2: Don't know we're gonna that's what the young kids are.

1775
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 3: TELLING us i. Don't know we. Need proof it's. A

1776
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 3: scion we love you.

1777
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 2: Are getting tomorrow we have a big. Show tomorrow We

1778
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Have aaron parness is with. Us tomorrow oh make sure you.

1779
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 2: Tune in, oh man it went.

1780
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 3: By quick have a. Great, night everybody. Stay safe