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Speaker 1: What is it like being a mom in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I have multiple full time jobs. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's super fun, but it's a lot. And there are

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Speaker 2: days where I'm like, why did I do this to myself?

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Speaker 3: It's because, you know, one kid is one thing, but

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Speaker 3: then two kids is another thing. And I think I'm

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Speaker 3: at this stage now where I just don't have the time.

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Speaker 1: Being intentional about building a village for myself. Adopting other

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Speaker 1: moms in the parking lot, at daycare and at school.

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Speaker 1: It has worked for me. I'm just like, want to

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Speaker 1: be my friend.

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Speaker 4: I mean to do that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the a Fam, Welcome to Brown Ambition. I could

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Speaker 1: not be more excited to introduce you to my guests

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Speaker 1: at the Brown Table today. My mama's in crime, as

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Speaker 1: I call them. Listen, y'all kind of are like in

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Speaker 1: a secret club. You're in my secret mom podcasters club.

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Speaker 1: There's no benefits to being in this club other than

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Speaker 1: that when I am really struggling, I think about y'all,

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Speaker 1: but I may not like, you know, email or tie

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Speaker 1: a like let you know that I'm thinking about y'all,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like somewhere out there, Jessica and Reina are

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing, and they also probably like would

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Speaker 1: have something really encouraging to stay to me right now,

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Speaker 1: so I'll just like say it to myself. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for being the mama's friends in my head that I need.

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Speaker 1: I want to introduce ba Fan to Jessica Norwood. She

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Speaker 1: is one half of the podcast Sugar Daddy with her husband,

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Speaker 1: and then also Reina has a podcast. It's been going

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Speaker 1: almost as long as Brown Ambition. We're like geriatric podcasters

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Speaker 1: together Dreams and Drive the podcast. Welcome to Brown Ambition, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Hey, many happy to be here, so catch me up.

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Speaker 1: Braina. You and I met, as you know. It's so

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Speaker 1: funny because we met once five four years ago.

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Speaker 4: Three wellever Jeff turned two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like three years ago, so at a birthday party

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Speaker 1: for a mutual friend, and I just remember clicking with

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Speaker 1: you and our sons were the same age, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, wow, I want to be her friend. But then,

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Speaker 1: of course, like we're both young moms, and like, of

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Speaker 1: course we were not going to be like seeing each

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Speaker 1: other all the time. Maybe of course we would talk

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Speaker 1: twice in three years, and then we went and done

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Speaker 1: had another baby, and then Jessica. I forget how I

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Speaker 1: met you. I think that you had reached out because

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Speaker 1: you were starting Sugar Daddy, and I think it was

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Speaker 1: more like business first. And then I met y'all in

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Speaker 1: person for the first time at a conference, so it's

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Speaker 1: just nice to get to, you know, interact with y'all

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Speaker 1: and see yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean when I saw you at you know, our

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Speaker 3: Mutual Friends party, I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, that's Mandy from Round and Vision, right,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, how does she know you?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: And it was just like it's one of those like

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Speaker 4: fangirl moments. But I don't think I told you that

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Speaker 1: That's so fun that's really funny. I mean you have

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Speaker 1: to be I feel like, in the niche podcasting world

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Speaker 1: were be a fan. It's so funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Because I had Tiffany on the podcast, like she was

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Speaker 3: my eighth guest on Dreams and Drive back in the day,

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Speaker 3: she was episode number eight, I think.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so let's talk about that, all right. We're

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Speaker 1: both we're all three podcasters, so I really want this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to just talk about like,

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Speaker 1: what is it like being a mom in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 1: How are we maintaining our sanity? How are we giving

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Speaker 1: ourselves grace all of that good stuff. But y'all are

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Speaker 1: both I guess we all are to a certain extent

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Speaker 1: juggling multiple I don't know if like her career is

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Speaker 1: work full time in corporate? Is that right for some

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Speaker 1: like big brands? Maybe they rhyme with Google and Dismount.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever doesn't matter. But y'all have been

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Speaker 1: building these brand, your professional brands, while also doing the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So like what has that journey been for you? I'll

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Speaker 1: start with you, Jessica, Like when did you incorporate the

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Speaker 2: Now? It's the latest, Yeah, so the podcast will be

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Speaker 2: three years old in June. And I mean it's a

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Speaker 2: days where I'm like, why did I do this to myself?

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Speaker 2: And then you know, we'll get an email or we'll

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Speaker 2: get dms that are like we did this, or I

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Speaker 2: save that or I paid this off, and then it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: and people are getting their money right, But it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Was it your husband pulling you along because he's a

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Speaker 1: financial planner, right, like this is his world.

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Speaker 2: No, he's a licensed financial planner and he just wanted

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Speaker 2: And so that's how the podcast came about. Because he's

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Speaker 2: He's very thorough and so the podcast just made sense,

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Speaker 2: And so it's a really nice balance of his and hers,

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Speaker 1: I love that. I'm glad for y'all. I mean, my

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Speaker 3: You're better when you get that right for them in

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Speaker 3: the long term. That's the That's the big thing Mandy

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Speaker 3: If I was to do that from like twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 4: People would have a tigering when you show up.

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Speaker 2: just I think it's just nice to have the community

435
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: of moms who are going through it with you and

436
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: it you know, it's not the misery Loves Company, but

437
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 2: it's more of man, I'm not the only one going

438
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: through it. It's it's that sense of like normy likes normally. Yes, yeah,

439
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 2: we're all in the thick of it.

440
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm someone to reflect our like, to reflect

441
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: an experience back to us, so we feel seen.

442
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: Yes, I was.

443
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 4: I was perusing on Instagram and.

444
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: This you know, research article ak video that I don't

445
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 3: know if it really is real or basically it came out,

446
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: So I was watching on Instagram a video could have

447
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,239
Speaker 3: been AI could have been listening to my thoughts. Was

448
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: basically just saying that, you know, mothers were meant to

449
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: be around other mothers and like modern day society has

450
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 3: really taken that away from us and coupled with the

451
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: ambitious woman as well.

452
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: How do you kind of mitigate the two right?

453
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: How do you also show up at work at your hustle,

454
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: building your dreams and then also take care of your kids.

455
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: It's possible, but there's so much that's been that gets involved.

456
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that I like talking to other mothers,

457
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 3: like yourselves, Like how are you guys managing that right?

458
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 3: Like making sure there's a balance, if there's a balance, right,

459
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: Like making sure you're carving out your time for yourself

460
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 3: so that you don't get overwhelmed. That's been my big thing,

461
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: is like trying to just get hints from other moms

462
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: who are doing it, because like it's been done right,

463
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 3: and then also raising kids who don't we're still.

464
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: Like, you know, a whole and secure attached.

465
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: The hard part it's not like ambitious career, it's that

466
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: now being a mom is like it got to be

467
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: a conscious mom, a gentle parent and raise these kids

468
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: who were in like the Internet pact, right, yeah, no, screens,

469
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: the screens are coming and the fortnight and the minecraft

470
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: and like what's safe on the internet.

471
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 2: Like nothing.

472
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: It's also never been scarier to be a mom, Like

473
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: it's so scary. You know, career for me is like

474
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: almost you know, I don't know if I wanna say

475
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: it's an easy thing, but for me, the general suffocating

476
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: weight of danger and risk that seems to be out

477
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: there for kids today. That and preparing myself forward and

478
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: like trying to you know, really instill their tiny person

479
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 1: like their their personalities and their strength and they're like

480
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: they're self worth at a young age. Because I just

481
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: I think of those dangers and risks and I'm like,

482
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: there's no way I can be there every time. All

483
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: I all I can do is like try to raise

484
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: humans who love themselves, love other people, and can think

485
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: for themselves and can think critically and are kind. And

486
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't know know how to dig in the dirt,

487
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: like it's so much.

488
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 3: And we have boys, And I always say that too,

489
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 3: because like I think there's also this rhetoric around like

490
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: men in general, you know how we just complain to

491
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: like you know, we can complain about men all day.

492
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: But then I'm like, oh, wait, I'm raising a man.

493
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: I don't want some little girl one day to be

494
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: like he's not helping me, you know, wash the dishes,

495
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: or he doesn't know how to do this. So it's like,

496
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: how do you also raise a whole man who understands

497
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 3: how to be a partner, so a woman or whatever,

498
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 3: you know, whoever they partner with later in life, Like

499
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: how do I make sure that they're a whole person

500
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: in in always as well?

501
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: But I think the fact that you're even even raising

502
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: that question shows that you are going to do that

503
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: all right, because I could do the od I mean

504
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 2: they could. But I think you're conscious. So you're probably

505
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: also doing things at home to show like Okay, well

506
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: you can sweep, or you can help me with the dishwasher,

507
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: or you can help wipe down this countertop, you know.

508
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 4: Or you can talk about your feelings, or you can exactly.

509
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's modeling, Like modeling is something that I've been

510
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: thinking a lot more, especially around I had such a

511
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: great love of reading and books and libraries when I

512
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: was a kid, and I can see that my son.

513
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just like a kid, of course, like

514
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: if I had screens. I mean I was obsessed with

515
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: a game boy and in a Nintendo Duck Hunter game,

516
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: Like what the games I got? Yeah? What the game

517
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: they got? Now, I'm like, of course he wants to

518
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: do this instead of go sit in the library. But

519
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: he loves me and he loves his mama, and if

520
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing something so like, I would find myself going

521
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: to the library with him and he would go, you know,

522
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever he's doing, and I'll be on

523
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: my phone catching up on email. And I was like, no, lady,

524
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: go get a book and model the behavior that you

525
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: want to see. And that for me, it's almost like

526
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of killing two birds with one stone. It's

527
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: not like we're sitting there and teaching like you should

528
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: do this and you should like that. It's like, if

529
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: we make sure that we're good and if we make

530
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: sure that we are living the values that we want

531
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: them to sort of like get through osmosis, then they're

532
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: watching all the time. They're watching, and I mean, I

533
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: think you mentioned you have a partner, Rena, and I

534
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: hope that partner is also being that model of what

535
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: a good other half can be and like how to

536
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: be supportive and you know, how to take care of

537
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: a partner. Yeah, my husband all the time, I'm like,

538
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: you gon' and see that in front of the kids,

539
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna say that to their wife someday.

540
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Speaker 4: Like, don't they also know we all come from different backgrounds.

541
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: Or husband or are they then whatever? I don't care.

542
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to make sure you include that, right.

543
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: It's just like there's so much and like everyone's bringing

544
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: their own I think the big thing for me that

545
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: parenting maybe for you guys, like parenting makes you confront

546
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: things you've never confronted about yourself, or parts of yourself

547
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: that you might have never healed, or just you know,

548
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: parts of like just who you are. Everything comes to

549
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: the service where you're then trying to teach someone else.

550
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: So it's like, how do you make sense of all

551
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 3: of that?

552
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: And you in therapy?

553
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 4: Me, no, I should be right. So I okay, let's.

554
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: Break it down. This has kind of become like Jessica

555
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: and Mandy somehow we're like the experts.

556
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: And listen, not claiming to be an expert.

557
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: I mean, sign up.

558
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: You know.

559
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: It's funny I did because you know doctor Joy from

560
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: Therapy for Black Girls, that's my girl. We were all

561
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: in the Mastermind together, and I'm like, I went to

562
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: Therapy for Black Girls, I found I spoke to two

563
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: different therapists, so I did choose one. So we're in

564
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: the process of I had to like send in it

565
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: because after this grief process, I'm like, I definitely tough

566
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: someboud it.

567
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's big, definitely definitely yeah. Yeah.

568
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: Well, going back to the question earlier, and I want

569
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Speaker 1: to be sure that we like touch on that as

570
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned, like how to be ambitious, and like I

571
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: want to hear from you too, Jessica on that, like

572
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: how do you juggle what you hope for yourself, your dreams,

573
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: your career, your ambitions with the all consuming, all encompassing

574
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: responsibility and joy and fun of being a mom.

575
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Speaker 2: You know, I kind of am giving myself this like

576
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: ten year window of like, all right, I can sleep

577
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: some other time.

578
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: Now.

579
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: I do value my sleep, and I go to bed

580
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: very early, So don't ask me what's on TV, because

581
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: I'm probably not watching it. I'm doing work. Then you know,

582
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: it's dinner, book, bathbed, and then maybe a podcast, newsletter

583
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: or you know, sending an email for a guest or

584
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: teeing something like that up and then I go to bed.

585
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: So I don't do a lot of TV. I do

586
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot of pot I do a lot of audiobooks. So, Mandy,

587
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: that's something I've been thinking about of like we go

588
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: to the library and we love books and we read

589
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: every night, but the kids don't see me reading. So

590
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: that's something that I've thought about of like modeling. So

591
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell them, like, mommy's listening to this book, because again,

592
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: I want them to know that I am consuming something

593
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: other than my phone. So you know, I'm kind of

594
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: struggling with that because it's optics, like I am reading.

595
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: I read almost one hundred books a year, but like

596
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: you don't see me.

597
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: You can't see it.

598
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: You can't see it exactly.

599
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: So there's just go get the prop from the library.

600
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: And then put it on the counter. Yeah, I should

601
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: do that.

602
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: I have done that. Sometimes I want both forms just

603
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: in case.

604
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: M see, if I read with a book in my hand,

605
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: I will fall asleep. So it's just it's not going

606
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: to happen. But I do like the idea of the props.

607
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I might.

608
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: I might do that. Yeah, but I in my head,

609
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, what am I doing this for? And

610
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: that's just kind of what brings me back, and I

611
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: try to ground myself in that because in my head,

612
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I have ten more years of

613
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: corporate in me and then I really want to do

614
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: my own thing. And because my kids will be teenagers,

615
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: then to me, that's I want to be whatever schedule

616
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: they need me to be on, to support them, to

617
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: be there, to encourage them, to be there, to reaate

618
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: them on, to be there for every you know, track me, recital,

619
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I want to make sure that nobody

620
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: is questioning my schedule and that I can be where

621
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: I need to be for my family. And then the

622
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: other thing is we want to travel like, we want

623
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: to be a traveling family. We've been talking about potentially

624
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: moving out of the country, So what would that look

625
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: like and how do we set that up? And can

626
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: I be a corporate girly and still do that? And

627
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: so I have a lot of these thoughts, but really

628
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, Okay, get it done now

629
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: so that when I'm fifty, I turn forty next month.

630
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: When I'm fifty, I have all the options that I

631
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: want to have. And that's kind of what keeps me going, don't.

632
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't believe in balance. I feel like I'm either

633
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: crushing at work or I'm crushing it at motherhoo. Good listen.

634
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: If I'm crushing it at work, then the laundry room

635
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: is overflowing with clothes, okay, And if I'm crushing it

636
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: at home, then you know something else is kind of

637
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: falling off. And I've let that idea go a long

638
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: time ago because I just don't think it's reality. It's

639
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: not my season for balance.

640
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing there is like you have a

641
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: clear goal in mind, like you have, and that I

642
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: feel like has been really helpful. The times when I

643
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: haven't been so clear on what I want for myself

644
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: five ten years out, that's when it's been harder for

645
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: me and I felt more like lost. So the last

646
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: few years especially have been like really uncertain for me

647
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: and also just kind of trying trying to tread water

648
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: and not really able to see very far out because

649
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: I was dealing with some burnout and I was dealing

650
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: with like some mental health challenges and like there's just

651
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Speaker 1: so much going on, and I feel like Raina like

652
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Speaker 1: when you're able to be clearer with like where you

653
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: want to see yourself, that may help you make choices

654
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: today that if you can see the value in it

655
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: and you see how it's getting you to that goal

656
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: that you want, it can make it easier to deal

657
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: with the inconvenience of whatever the choice is today.

658
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Speaker 3: I think that's so real, and I think like it's

659
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: just something i've known. Like sometimes I'm the type of

660
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: person if I do something really well, I'll keep doing it.

661
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: But if I know that it might cause me some

662
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: kind of discomfort or I might be pushed outside my

663
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: comfort zone in some way, I might steer away from it.

664
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Speaker 3: So I think it's a learning to be uncomfortable in

665
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: the process of trying to get to do something new.

666
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: And you can't keep doing the same things if you

667
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: want different results. Wait is that the right Yah? Yeah, right,

668
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: So it's like you have to I think for me

669
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: it's like raina. You might not, like, you know, being

670
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: a little bit tired at night, but just sit and

671
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: get the thing done and you'll like the result after

672
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: doing that, and then you'll realize it wasn't that bad,

673
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 3: or like you said, be more clear about what it

674
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: is that I'm working towards. And then I think it's

675
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: like having that confidence in myself too. Like for me,

676
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: one of the big things I've been working with a

677
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: coach through Have you guys heard of score?

678
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

679
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I got like a business coach, and

680
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: we realized, like he's like, it's not the.

681
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: Business that's the issue, it's you. And I was like,

682
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: oh me.

683
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: He was like, you need to get clear or what

684
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: you want or like carve out time for you because

685
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: like he's like, I'm very confident in your ability to

686
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: actually execute, but like you're just really overwhelmed right now.

687
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: So he's like, if it's buying your time back, if

688
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: it's buying the help, meaning like hiring a nanny or

689
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: hiring you know, someone to come in and clean the house,

690
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: whatever that is, he's like, you have to carve out

691
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: that time. And I when you get that part of

692
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: yourself clear, when you work on you, that will then

693
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: translate to the business and to your overall goals. And

694
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: when I think about that, it also goes back to

695
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: the podcast, Like I've had over like three hundred something

696
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: yes on my.

697
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: Show, right and Aw'll.

698
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: Say, like whenever I interview people, they say all sorts

699
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: of industries, the common thread is the thing that helped

700
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: them get to their dream is not like the tactical

701
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: logistical like learning how to make a business plan.

702
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: They're like, I had to learn myself.

703
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, that's.

704
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: The I think with motherhood and trying to pursue ambitious goals,

705
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: it's like learning yourself and really centering who you are

706
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: will help the journey move forward.

707
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, ba fam, We're going to take a quick break,

708
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: pay some bills, and we'll be right back. Welcome back,

709
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: bea faan, let's get back to the show.

710
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Speaker 2: You did say a few things that I think are helpful.

711
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: So I had. So I've been in corporate since I

712
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: mean I could work, and there was a former executive

713
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: she said to out source everything but love. Now, obviously

714
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: that comes with a price tag. So I would encourage

715
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: people to outsource what you can comfortably afford and what

716
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: fits in your budget. One thing that I've outsourced for many,

717
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: many years is housework. So I have a cleaner that

718
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: comes every other Monday. And listen if I if you

719
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: told me I had to choose between my cleaner and

720
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: getting my nails done, I'm choosing the cleaner.

721
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

722
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: It is so valuable because I know my mind does

723
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: not work when my house is not clean. So that's

724
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: number one. Number Two something that I've been outsourcing is meals,

725
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: and I only do it for myself. I don't do

726
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: it for my kids because again, they don't eat anything anyway,

727
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: I waste the money. Why waste the money?

728
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: Right?

729
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: And then my husband does his own thing. He you know,

730
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: he's the macro counter. He literally weighs his coffee creamer

731
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: every morning. So I'm not gonna worry about him. He

732
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: can do his own thing. So all I have to

733
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: do is worry about me. And there's a local place here.

734
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: They have a huge array of meals. I will even deliver.

735
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes I pick it up. Sometimes they'll deliver. Sometimes depending

736
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: on my week, I'll do like two meals a day

737
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: and then like today, I have to go and pick

738
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: it up. And I'm gonna do one meal a week

739
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: or one meal every day for the week, And so

740
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: that's one less thing I have to think about. I

741
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: don't have to go to the grocery store. I don't

742
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: have to chop anything, I don't have to cook it,

743
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: and that puts more time back in my day. So

744
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: I would encourage you if there's something where you're.

745
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: Like this, just love second, Can we normalize that everybody

746
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: eats different things? Because I love that the whole Like,

747
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a pot of food, and if you

748
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: don't like it. Well, then you don't eat like kind

749
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: of vibe.

750
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's not nineteen eighty five. We're not

751
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: doing that anymore.

752
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like, if you want to have this,

753
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: I'll have that. Like my husband and I eat something different,

754
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: like most nights during the week, he gets home at

755
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: different times. I usually eat at four pm, like before

756
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: I pick up my kids, and then I'm not even

757
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: hungry for dinner because I'm like, let me get my

758
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: late lunch early dinner.

759
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: In exactly before someone else is trying to be like mom,

760
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: what do people want?

761
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: Then they don't even eat it. Yeah, yeah, couch later.

762
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: Or I'm standing at the counter right the butter noodles.

763
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: I'm standing at the counter while the kids are eating.

764
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: And then Brandon is my own thing.

765
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm picking up with them, I'm talking to them, I'm

766
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: doing homework, or I'm just like chatting, I'm watching them together.

767
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: But it's not that like everybody's eating this one meal

768
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: that was cooked sexually.

769
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: No, not dessert. Maybe well I'll have a popsicle after.

770
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Reina, you're taking it too far. You're taking it

771
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: too far now.

772
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Speaker 1: Jessica, what helps you what helps you feel because you

773
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: said you're turning forty. That's a big milestone and very exciting. Yeah,

774
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering that you know, you always hear like

775
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: from older women that the older you get, the more

776
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: you understand yourself and it becomes more freeing. And I

777
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: know Raina you had talked about I have also been

778
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: on this huge journey to better understand the way that

779
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: my like, the reason why I feel the way I do, think,

780
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: the way I do, act the way I do. I'm

781
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: really getting to understand myself. It's been so liberating and

782
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: to your point, Raina, it has helped me make decisions

783
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: for myself that for the business that have made me

784
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: feel more capable and confident of doing it. So yeah,

785
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: I just want to take a pause there, Jessica and

786
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: ask if you can share there's anything that you're doing

787
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: or do you have a practice that you have that

788
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: helps you feel more connected to who you are and

789
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: understanding who you are now and what you want Well.

790
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: Through therapy, I think that I've learned to lower the

791
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: bar for myself, and that's really difficult. That is the

792
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: repeated statement that I am told constantly is to just

793
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: lower the bar. The expectations are too high. I'm putting

794
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: too much pressure on myself. I have to give myself

795
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: more grace. Not everything has to be done in a day,

796
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: in a week, in a month, right, and so learning

797
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: how to prioritize or see barwaere like wherever wherever I

798
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: find peace, Okay, I need to find peace. And that

799
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: could be different in this month than it is next month.

800
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: It could be different based on my work schedule. It

801
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: could be different based on what's going on with the kids.

802
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: You know. I think one of the things that I've

803
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: learned is it's okay to say no. No is good

804
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: and it's a complete sentence. You don't have to go

805
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: to every single birthday party that your kids are invited to.

806
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: Your house doesn't have to be perfect for you to

807
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: invite somebody over.

808
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Do not invite me to the bounce house experience.

809
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: I will see you're the worst.

810
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: They're I hate them same my kids doing it too.

811
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then I can stand around and smell other

812
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: people's feet for two hours. Gross. No, that is not

813
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: how I want to spend my Saturday. Yes, so by

814
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: saying no, I mean that alone will put three hours

815
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: back in your day on a Saturday, And honestly, I'd

816
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: rather sit outside with my kids at a park and

817
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: bring a picnic and let them play and run around

818
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: and invite one of my girlfriends whose kids also need

819
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: to get out and play and run around, than to

820
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: be at some bounce house. You know, but I think

821
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: lowering the bar prioritizing you know, what do you have

822
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 2: to get done today? What would you like to get done?

823
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: I still very much struggle with, like finding time for me.

824
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm very much the person that I'm going to choose

825
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: to do the laundry versus go to the gym, even

826
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: though I know I need to go to the gym,

827
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: but I feel better when the laundry's done. And so

828
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: those are things that I'm still working through where I'm like,

829
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: you know what, No, I'm allowed to have an hour

830
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: to myself where I do something good for me and

831
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: my body and my health because it will also benefit

832
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: and serve my family in the long run. So, you know,

833
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: again giving myself grace, learning along the way. But no

834
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: is a complete sentence. Your kids, you know, they don't

835
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: need the newest gadget. You don't have to, you know,

836
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: go to the store with them and let them go

837
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: crazy at target. You can just you know, be outside

838
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: with them and run around everything.

839
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Speaker 4: And teaching them it's okay to like be okay with

840
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: me exactly.

841
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all need to learn how to

842
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: be okay with less. But I think too that just

843
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: lowers the bar again, right, like like the bar is

844
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: just so high and he also break.

845
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: It's almoso about Like one of the things that I

846
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: meditate on a lot with my children is I feel

847
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: like I've created these humans, and I mean I have

848
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of hope, but like I created these

849
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: humans and my job is to get to know them too.

850
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: And a lot of the time what's become easier for

851
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: me to say no on behalf of my son and

852
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: like say no to things is if he doesn't like

853
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: if if who he is doesn't it doesn't align with

854
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: what he is, what he likes, you know, what he enjoys.

855
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: Like if he doesn't like the loud bounce house experience,

856
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: it makes him like kind of go nuts, which it did.

857
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, well that's not good for him. So that's

858
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: what I'm learning. Rio is not a fan of that,

859
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, or if you know he's a snuggle, like

860
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: he really wants his you know, cuddle time. So I'm

861
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: not going like sometimes I will you know, skip a

862
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: homework or I'll skip even like playtime, you know, like

863
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: or I don't do after school sports for him yet

864
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: because he has not shown an interest even though all

865
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: the other kids are in soccer and basketball and stuff.

866
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: And I took him to a basketball camp and he

867
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: was like, I want to go run around the lobby

868
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: with my little brother and not do this. And I

869
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well I tried it.

870
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: And you could have saved yourself three hundred dollars.

871
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: We did next little karate and he legit would not

872
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: even go on like the mat. His dad was like

873
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: holding him on the side and he just left half

874
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: way through. We're like, oh, but he does piano now

875
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: he actually really likes it.

876
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: He's just like there you go.

877
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: He's excited him.

878
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: But they're not forcing them, and like you get all stress,

879
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: like are they gonna like it? Do they get? Oh?

880
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: They didn't like it. I failed Africa Afro Beats dance

881
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: class was a bust. Try.

882
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: I want to know what you guys think about this?

883
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: Is this something that I've been standing up for myself

884
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: more being okay with one of my like being okay

885
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: with being a mother and telling people I am a

886
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: mother and that's a noun. And I say that because

887
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: like this happened in corporate right, Like we're talking about

888
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: like end of year goals and we have like an

889
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: internal mom's group, and my boss, you know, my boss

890
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: was like I was telling my boss how like I

891
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: really want to be more active with this mom's group

892
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: because I think it's an important initiative that can really

893
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: benefit from a lot of people. And you know, he's

894
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: a dad himself, but I think mothers and fathers just

895
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: think about things differently. And he was kind of like, well,

896
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: do you not feel supported enough from our team? Like

897
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: why do you need to be on this mom's group?

898
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, hey, I just want to level set

899
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: with you. I think that mom's in general, no matter what,

900
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: we are mothers and there's always going to be a

901
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: need for extra support and right.

902
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: And plus your company offers it, so like, yeah, yeah.

903
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: It's just the thing that I'm not scared to tell

904
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: people I'm a mom, and I think that's no, no, no,

905
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm just saying that I think there.

906
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: Are some moms who don't lead.

907
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: I've met mothers corporate with their mothers because it's.

908
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Almost a weakness, right, like, oh, she's not going to

909
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: come to the after hours, tell.

910
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: People, Hey, I'm a mom.

911
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm not scared to say like order request, Hey I

912
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: need to leave the office early because I have to

913
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: have an after school obligation for my son. And I

914
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: say that because if we don't stand up for ourselves

915
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: in those arenas, and it never becomes normalized, and I'm

916
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: always going to be marginalized. So that's why I just

917
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: say for anyone who's working, I mean, it depends on

918
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: your corporate culture.

919
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 4: Like I do feel supported here.

920
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: As a mom, right and we have a lot of flexibility.

921
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: But I just also think that it's important to continue

922
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: to show people that I am a mom and I

923
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: also work here. And I also this because I just

924
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: think that they might want you to diminish that part

925
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: of who you are, and when you stand up, that's

926
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: when people really respect you and they don't try to

927
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: play games with you. Because I'm like my kids confirst,

928
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: like I love my job, I love doing this, but

929
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: like if I had to choose, I'm going to I

930
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: want to be there for his talent show. I want

931
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: to be there for you know, the little mom's day

932
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 3: or whatever it is.

933
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I got it whole lot Monday through

934
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Friday for kid pick up and you know what, Brandon

935
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: does kid pick up, but just in case, just in

936
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: case something pops off and I need to be there.

937
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: That is my time and you need to not block

938
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: over it. Thank you.

939
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's it, period.

940
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: Period, part stop.

941
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I think where you work is so important to your

942
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: mental health as a woman, as a mother, Like, if

943
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: you want to be a mother, I would. I know

944
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: that not every pregnancy is planned and you can't be

945
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you're not meticulous and all of that, but as

946
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: much as you can ensure that you are at a

947
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: place where you are, you do have that support and

948
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: the culture. And it doesn't have to be the full

949
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: any culture, but at least your manager, your team, like

950
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: they need to. You need to feel supported at work

951
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: because you will have those days, you know, where you

952
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: need to call in sick or leave early or whatever,

953
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: and that is a huge That's something that you may

954
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: not have to think about if you don't have children,

955
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: but we deserve to consider that and you know, as

956
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: a career coach, myself like would I say ask in

957
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: the interview, like do you support working moms? It's sad,

958
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: but I would say no because I do feel like

959
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll think about, oh, they're just going to call

960
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: it all the time. But you can get a sense

961
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: from speaking to people in an interview process if they

962
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: are supportive of families and family, like your family needs

963
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: through whether they're have flexible work hours, if you can

964
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: work from home. Do they offer a daycare benefit or

965
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: a childcare benefit? And so many so few do, but

966
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: right you know, do they have do they talk about

967
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: having families? You know that type of thing. It makes

968
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: a huge difference. And I love how you know you're

969
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: talking about just being like unapologetic about it, because how

970
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: are we supposed to claim that time for ourselves and

971
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: like claim what we ask for what we need if

972
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: we're denying this huge part, like this huge compass in

973
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: our life and our day.

974
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: But I think showing up as a mom, I know,

975
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: for me makes me a better employee because I'm not

976
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: saying that other people aren't working for something. But everything

977
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: I do, every meeting, I take, every business trip I

978
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: go on, I feel the sacrifice. Like I've traveled twice

979
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: internationally this month alone, so Brandon had to hold it

980
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: down for two full weeks. That's a lot. That's a

981
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: lot of guilt, you know that I kind of carry on,

982
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, is everybody okay? The kids are totally fine.

983
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: Brandon did great, But like, I take these opportunities so

984
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: seriously because I know that they're going to help me

985
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 2: get to where I want to be in those next

986
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: ten years, you know, kind of bringing it back full circle.

987
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: And I have to show up to me. I show

988
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: up the way that I do every single day at work,

989
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: so that if I do have a kid with an

990
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: ear infection and I have to say, hey, I can't

991
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: come to those meetings, we need to move them or

992
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: record them. I'll listen to them later. Nobody's questioning how

993
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: hard I work, right, So it's constantly that balance of like, Okay,

994
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: show up as best I can so that nobody questions

995
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: me for when I do have to be out or

996
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: for when I do want a chaperone the field trip

997
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: or whatever that is. And that's guilt and that's pressure,

998
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: and that's probably unrealized trauma that I still need to

999
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: work through. But I do feel like it helps me

1000
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: show up in a way that is intentional because it's

1001
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: time away from my kid's, time away from my family,

1002
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: and I also want that to be meaningful.

1003
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: But it's got to tick that box of how is

1004
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: this bringing value to my end goal? And like one

1005
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: hundred percent, everything has to be filtered through that lens.

1006
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: I can say no to so much when I ask myself,

1007
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: is this something that will bring value to me through

1008
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, for brown ambition to my family? Does it

1009
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: serve this purpose to bank account? Yeah? And the time

1010
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: is so limited and you'll probably hate this rain now,

1011
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: but I also love waking up at four am. Now

1012
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm at four am, go to I told you I

1013
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: love my quiet my brain. I just it's a beautiful

1014
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: brain when I can. And you know, some mornings, if

1015
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: it's like really late and I can't get up at four,

1016
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: then I don't get up at four. But like I do,

1017
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: try to go to bed when I can, and I

1018
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: will leave a dirty You should see my kitchen right now,

1019
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm staring at it. I can tolerate a mess, and

1020
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: I will tolerate a mess so that I can get

1021
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: some quiet time for my own brain.

1022
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: And you know, and you're writing a book I mean, like,

1023
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: come on, because there's just something's got to give, you know,

1024
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: laundry pickup forty bucks a week for my kids clothes

1025
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: because I just folding little time to try and get there.

1026
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm buck to take forty Sorry, not forty bucks

1027
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: a month, Poppen forty bucks a week. No, just my

1028
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: local laundry mat.

1029
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: Oh, just text her.

1030
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, Carmen, can you come pick up the boys stuff?

1031
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: And she'll pick it up and drop it off in

1032
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: a few hours. And it's just like, oh my god, that's.

1033
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: A nice one.

1034
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: I haven't thought about that, And I'm like.

1035
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: Oh, I should just be more on top of this.

1036
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: Laundry takes. Oh I hate it.

1037
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: No, it's never ending. It's the worst. It's my one

1038
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: chore where I'm like, if I never had to do

1039
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: this again.

1040
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Outsource the kids stuff because like, who cares, it's not

1041
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: all delicate and stuff. And then my stuff I'll put

1042
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: aside and do that the way I want it to

1043
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: be done. But yeah, the kid's stuff, I send their

1044
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: fancy tie, gentle free and gentle soap with it. No,

1045
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: here go use this well as you guys are so busy.

1046
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: This is great. I mean I wish we I'm just

1047
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna have you guys on more often because I feel like,

1048
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: if it's a podcast.

1049
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: Could be your mom correspondence.

1050
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: Yes, I bet you there's somebody listening who's like, I

1051
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: can resonate with that, or you know that makes sense

1052
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: to me.

1053
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: I hope that y'all both get more time to just

1054
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: like think your thoughts and you know, have that quiet

1055
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: time and take that time. I love a sound bath.

1056
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: I've been. I started. I did a sound bath last week.

1057
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: I did, and I'm doing another one and in April,

1058
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: like a full moon one, and it's so so helpful

1059
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: and meditative.

1060
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: Did we just plan a retreat or I'm done?

1061
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: If y'all want to, like, I mean, you know, we're.

1062
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: Up in the listen. I got Miles, I'll come up.

1063
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know Nikaela Nikola is a girl. She's

1064
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: the one who got me onto the laundry service. I

1065
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you're right, I can do that.

1066
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: You know what.

1067
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: I've also told myself guys that there's a season for everything, right,

1068
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: And I say that because, like, I have a kid

1069
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: who's still nursing in the middle of the night, which

1070
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: is a big thing. I've been trying to wean him forever.

1071
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: So it's like my knights are just like up and down, right.

1072
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: So but everyone's like, there's a season. He's not gonna

1073
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: be breastfeeding forever, right, or he's not going to be

1074
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: at this age because like seek through the night now.

1075
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 3: But these was just like.

1076
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: Mom my, mom, I'm just like, oh, here's me.

1077
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: So it's like there's a season, and in each season

1078
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: you learn something that you'll take to the next season.

1079
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: So for anybody listening, you feel like you know this

1080
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: is gonna last forever. It probably won't whatever you last forever. Yeah, yeah,

1081
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: the sun always comes out eventually, right, the rain has

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00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: to stop.

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00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell myself about these four am

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00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: wake up calls. I'm like, this is what I need

1085
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: right now, and what my work demands of me is

1086
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: a ton of focus and you know, and that helps

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00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: me get through those challenging nights. I mean, we had

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00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: a I don't even want to and also like immediately

1089
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: forgetting a rough night of sleep, but I'll quickly relive

1090
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: it for y'all. Last night, both boys were I mean

1091
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: my two year old almost two year old, like Remy

1092
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: was a he was like possessed. He was overtired, he

1093
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: would possessed screaming bloody murder for an hour straight anyway,

1094
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: and he finally, like what he finally fell asleep. I'm

1095
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: curled up on the floor in front of our staircase

1096
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: because I won't tell you why we were downstairs on

1097
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: the hardwood floor with him. And he just finally throws

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00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: his arms back and lays down on my thigh and

1099
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: just like passes out. He's like, and I was like,

1100
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: it's ten thirty at this point, and I'm just like,

1101
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: I'll just quickly forget about that. That's just the you know,

1102
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: we're just in this like transition or whatever right now,

1103
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: and it'll it's not going to be forever. And that

1104
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: relieves so much suffering this too. Shell pass this. Yep, yes,

1105
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: lean into friends right now. We got to talk about

1106
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: how to get you some mom friends and near U.

1107
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, you know have cousins like my cousin

1108
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: who's like my best friend. She also has two kids

1109
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: who are my son and her son in the same

1110
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 3: age and her daughter.

1111
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: They love each other. But like, you know, how you.

1112
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: Don't want you know, someone's already going through it too.

1113
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: It's like dang, you got two kids, we're the same age.

1114
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: I don't want How can you support each other?

1115
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, go through it.

1116
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 4: You went to the.

1117
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: Park last Saturday when the day where we thought it

1118
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: was it was summer, but it really still spring. We

1119
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: went to They love like I love just going over

1120
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: there and being like, hey, kids run around and you know, mess.

1121
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: With each other on each other's houses and like sitting

1122
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: around while one of your meal preps and the other like.

1123
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: Or folds laundry, laundry like yeah, come.

1124
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: Sit and like take my dog for a walk, like

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00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, love that too, Yeah.

1126
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: And then the kids see that and they normalize like

1127
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: mom needs time for herself or mom and auntsie are

1128
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: going to have like you know, my kid knows what alcoholism, Like, no, you.

1129
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 4: Can't have this, this is alcohol. He's like, I don't

1130
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 4: drink alcohol. Okay, I'm so gled.

1131
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: I got to wrap up, y'all, but this has been

1132
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, thank you so so much for the time.

1133
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: We're all doing amazing and.

1134
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 4: We are moms.

1135
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: Are moms, was just we're just goddesses, guys, Like legit,

1136
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: super we made lucky little.

1137
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: Humans, right, Yeah, absolutely, they really are to have us. Amen.

1138
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: Well, if you guys need anything and I can support,

1139
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: just let me know. And it goes both ways as well.

1140
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: I will ask y'all as well when I need support

1141
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: to Jessica Terina go check out their podcast right now,

1142
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: Sugar Daddy Podcast and Dreams and Drive and yeah, this

1143
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: is Brandonbition. Thank y'all so much for listening. Bye, okay

1144
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: va fam, thank you so much for listening to this

1145
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: week's show. I want to shout out to our production team, Courtney,

1146
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: our editor, Carla, our fearless leader for idea to launch productions.

1147
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: I want to shout out my assistant Lauda Escalante and

1148
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: Cameron McNair for helping me put the show together. It

1149
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: is not a one person project, as much as I

1150
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: have tried to make it so these past ten years.

1151
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: I need help y'all, and thank goodness I've been able

1152
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: to put this team around me to support me on

1153
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: this journey. And to y'all be a fam. I love

1154
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: you so so so so much. Please rate, review, subscribe,

1155
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,239
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1156
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: all the latest updates on upcoming episodes, our tenth year

1157
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: anniversary celebrations to come, and until next time, talk to

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00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: you soon ba bye.