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Speaker 1: What's up its way up at Angela Yee. I'm Angela

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Speaker 1: Yee and this is the epitome of way up. Ayasha

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Speaker 1: Hall is here my true crime story. But we actually

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Speaker 1: I met you before when you did the Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: and that was for American Gangster Track Queens.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, shout out to BT for that.

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Speaker 1: So let's give a refresh on the Ayisha Hall story

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Speaker 1: because even though we're going to see my true crime

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Speaker 1: story and that's the series that remy My actually voices too,

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Speaker 1: so she kind of narrates that, but let's give people

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Speaker 1: just a background on who Ayisha Hall is because.

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Speaker 2: You're from Long Island, Strong Island.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, Strong Island for some respect on l And

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Speaker 1: even since the last time I've seen you, a lot

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Speaker 1: has happened and we'll get into that. But as far

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Speaker 1: as my true crime story, let's talk about what happened

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Speaker 1: to you when you were what twenty five years old?

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Speaker 2: Twenty So at twenty three years old, I started a

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Speaker 2: company Appa G Finance, and I knew nothing about this industry.

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Speaker 2: It was the trading industry and I knew nothing about it.

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Speaker 2: But I worked in the mortgage field, so I had

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Speaker 2: a client come to me who was making a lot

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Speaker 2: of money and wanted a big loan, and I said,

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Speaker 2: you know, I can't find a lender to give you

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Speaker 2: that much money. What do you need it for? And

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Speaker 2: he said, I need it for this private placement platform

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Speaker 2: a PPP, not the PPP they know of today going

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Speaker 2: down for that different PPP. It still went down for it,

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Speaker 2: but a different PPP. So the private placement platform was

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Speaker 2: private trading where people traded commodities like gold and silver

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Speaker 2: and things like that, rubber, you know, any commodity. So

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Speaker 2: it was an industry I wasn't familiar with, never heard of.

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Speaker 2: But when I saw his income and I saw, you know,

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Speaker 2: what he needed as far as you know, the loan

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Speaker 2: amount it was a couple million, And I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: don't have a lender that's going to give you that much.

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Speaker 2: What do you need it for? He said, I need

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Speaker 2: it right now, and I need it for, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I got curious and started looking up the information,

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Speaker 2: and I found out about this world that is basically

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Speaker 2: almost like a secret world that a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't know about the average person doesn't know about. It's

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Speaker 2: a trillion dollar industry where commodities are traded on the

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Speaker 2: private market, and it's unbelievable. You know, the requirements are insane.

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Speaker 2: You have to be worth tens or hundreds of millions

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Speaker 2: by what the requirements were. And that's how I got

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Speaker 3: And did he help you get into the game?

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Speaker 2: He did not. He doesn't even know I got into

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Speaker 2: the Oh.

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Speaker 1: You just saw that, and you were like, I want

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Speaker 1: to be able to figure out how to Okay, So

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Speaker 1: you were trading and it was.

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Speaker 3: Gold right right.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't trading myself. I was helping people qualify to trade.

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Speaker 2: So I saw that the requirements were that you had

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Speaker 2: to be worth twenty thirty forty one hundred million, but

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Speaker 2: you didn't have to spend that money. You just had

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Speaker 2: to show that that worth it, right, and then you

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Speaker 2: that was fine, you just had to show that net worth.

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Speaker 2: But I was like, wait a minute, this requirement alone

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Speaker 2: the population for being able to participate. What can I

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Speaker 3: So You're like Robin Hood, I was like robbing these doors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, except that you know, you can't do documents that

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Speaker 1: aren't real, right, and so.

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Speaker 2: You were definitely can I I was definitely a criminal

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Speaker 2: in that capacity.

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Speaker 1: Yes, But did you have any idea in your head

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Speaker 1: the magnitude of what it was that you were doing, because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, you were only twenty three years old

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Speaker 1: You're not thinking this is something that I could go

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Speaker 2: Take that risk. I didn't. I knew that it was

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Speaker 2: I'm making documents that are false documents, so I knew

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Speaker 2: what magnitude. You know, I'm thinking like a fine or

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Speaker 2: So in my mind at that time, I'm covered, you know,

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Speaker 2: worst case scenario. I can explain my way out of this.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's what us tourists do sometimes, your.

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Speaker 1: Way out of stuff donated tourists because we're always right.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so I was like, Okay, you know, these

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Speaker 2: so I can help them get in and get paid

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand, one hundred thousand, a million, depending on what

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Speaker 2: it is for me to make you look right so

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Speaker 2: didn't know, you know, that I was breaking so many

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Speaker 2: And I started off legal. I was initially doing it.

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Speaker 2: When I was adding people to the accounts and doing

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Speaker 2: is when I didn't go through that process, and I

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Speaker 2: just start doctoring up documents to speed up the process.

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Speaker 1: So it's crazy that they don't check deeper into that

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Speaker 2: Well, I had the bankers with me, so if they

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Speaker 2: did try to verify it, the banks were going to

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Speaker 3: So everybody was breaking a lot everybody.

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Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of people don't realize, you know,

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Speaker 2: the people that people shout out, the people that people

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Speaker 2: the majority of them are corrupt and do corrupt business

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Speaker 2: or have done at one time. You know, I'll never

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Speaker 2: and they needed things to qual for that. Maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: their cash flow was was short, or their assets for

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Speaker 2: that particular time weren't where they needed to be to

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Speaker 2: qualify for certain things. And you know, everybody plays the

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Speaker 2: dirty game. It's just that certain people go down.

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Speaker 1: For it, you know, So what is it that you

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Speaker 1: exactly were charged with when you ended up going to jail?

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Speaker 2: So I was charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

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Speaker 2: And conspiracy is the key word, right, because when you conspire,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to actually do the thing. You just

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Speaker 2: And as long as you've done something in the capacity

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Speaker 1: Right, And so somebody actually had a wire on? Is

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Speaker 1: that how you got caught? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Oh that motherfucker. Let me tell you. This was a

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Speaker 2: friend of mine, right, So we went to high school together, damn.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were very good friends. And I remember

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Speaker 2: But as soon as you have that kind of money,

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Speaker 2: you're red flag. So when I would open my account

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Speaker 2: rather than investigate what I'm doing, would say, we don't

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Speaker 2: feel comfortable doing business with you. Come in to bank

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Speaker 2: and pick up a cashier's check and go back elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: That happened to me like four or five times.

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Speaker 3: That's wild.

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Speaker 1: They just can tell you we don't want to have

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Speaker 1: like it's never happened to me, but okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So and I also didn't know that every day a

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Speaker 2: can't do business with countries. So if I'm getting a

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Speaker 2: I'm learning. I'm a kid now, I'm learning as I go.

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Speaker 1: So you know, and how were you getting clients coming

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Speaker 2: So that that was happening, So there were like this

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Speaker 2: But once I did one good deal, you know, I

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Speaker 2: because I refunded. So I had a guy one time

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Speaker 2: and when I got his paperwork, I noticed that something

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Speaker 2: refund you your money. And his mouth drop. He was like,

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Speaker 2: in this industry, nobody does that. You know, once you

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Speaker 2: pay that much money, make it so different, make it

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Speaker 2: of course, when he had another deal, he came back

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Speaker 2: to me because he felt safe and he referred friends. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and so you know that industry is very small, so

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Speaker 2: words spread, you know, like it's safe to do business

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Speaker 2: with her because if something does to go right, show

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Speaker 2: refund you. I did a lot of refunds.

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Speaker 3: When did you realize what you were doing was illegal?

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Speaker 2: I made a decision to do something illegal, and I

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Speaker 2: knew it was illegal. So initially when I was you know,

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Speaker 2: like say you need to show your worth five million

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Speaker 2: and I'm worth it. I can go into the bank

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Speaker 2: and Angela yee to my account and then I'm worth it,

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Speaker 2: and now you're worth it. Right, That's initially what I

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Speaker 1: You know, it was going out. It was investing back

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I invested. Okay, That's why I didn't have

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Speaker 2: had you name it. I was diversifying, like crane. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Did you try to figure out why you were in jail?

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Speaker 3: They were not playing with you.

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Speaker 3: So you ended up doing my true crime story.

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Speaker 1: Now tell me how this even came about with I

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, my best friend did my true crime story,

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Speaker 2: Shriwana King. She's like, okay, yeah, I see y'all. Always together,

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, Bete did it and they did a

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Speaker 2: People work all day. I don't have a traditional job.

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Speaker 1: And they said, they're not going to tell you if

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Speaker 2: And a half years. I ended up doing nine years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, shout out to ghost Face in Gap City.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's crazy because my father is an artist, right.

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Speaker 2: You think it's just in my blood, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: I care about making money and living comfortable in me too.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was making money.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was making money, and you know, there's always an agenda.

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Speaker 2: Wealthy people can't be wealthy without people who spend money.

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Speaker 2: You have to spend money. You have to make people

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Speaker 1: It's just like telling people voting is a bad thing

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Speaker 2: That's how you stay in control. You know, the less

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Speaker 2: Like I make a living right now, like selling courses

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Speaker 2: really knew what was happening behind the scenes.

435
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, when you first came home, was it hard

436
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 1: for you to tell your story because sometimes there's this stigma,

437
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 1: and I feel like the more you tell your story,

438
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: the more people Sometimes people now it seems like fascinated,

439
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, by hearing people's real stories and things that

440
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 1: they've gone through, difficult times, ups and downs, being up

441
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: and being down and then making it.

442
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 3: Back up again.

443
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 1: How was it for you when you first came home

444
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: and people were like, oh, you know, what do you do?

445
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: Or when you were meeting people.

446
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like I don't want people to

447
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 1: know or were you always able to tell your story?

448
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 2: Oh? I was always able to tell my story. I

449
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 2: was never ashamed of what I did. I kind of

450
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 2: was concerned about my family, you know, because I didn't

451
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,919
Speaker 2: want them to feel shamed. I was more concerned with

452
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 2: other people than myself. As far as me, I knew

453
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 2: what I accomplished. You know, I knew that I had

454
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: done something great even though it was illegal. But I

455
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 2: knew that people do I legal stuff every day and

456
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 2: they don't make millions of dollars. So I knew that

457
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 2: I had the right mindset, and I knew that I

458
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: did something that was just different. I just had to

459
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 2: find a way to apply it to something else so

460
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't get in trouble. So, you know, I

461
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 2: liked being able to talk about what I did and

462
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 2: also uplift other people because there's a lot of intelligent

463
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: people in prison, geniuses actually.

464
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: And I think everything that you were also able to

465
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 1: accomplish while you were in prison, writing books and you know,

466
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: also coming home and doing like you said, like teaching

467
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: courses and being able to do those things, it wasn't

468
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 1: like it was a waste of time.

469
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 3: You know.

470
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes people come home and they feel like I got

471
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: to catch up. I've been locked up all this time

472
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: and I'm so far behind. But you came home like

473
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: I got six books, I got this, I got that

474
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: going on, met your best friend you know while you

475
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: were there, and actually made some great relationships.

476
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, at the end of the day, it's

477
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: like a lot of people. It was a culture shock

478
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: for me when I came home because there was no

479
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: social media when I went away. So when I came

480
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 2: home and I'm looking at social media and everybody's these

481
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: big bosses and all of that, and I'm like, well,

482
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: I put in this crazy work. Everybody put in that

483
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of work. And then I realized that, you know,

484
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 2: a lot of things were about a look, and that

485
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people weren't actually doing the things I did.

486
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: So I knew that I would stand out. I knew

487
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: that when I told my story that I would say, Okay,

488
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm not just a gimmick. I'm not just hey, look

489
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: at me on Instagram. I look like I'm popping. No,

490
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm really really putting in that work. And I wanted

491
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 2: people to see that and understand that, you know, who

492
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: are you when when the camera's off, Like are you

493
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: really that comfortable or are you fronting? Because I can

494
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: show you how to really be that comfortable, right, you know,

495
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: So I wanted to take my skills and share it.

496
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's not fun being around people who are

497
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: struggling and broke I'm not one of those people that

498
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: want to, you know, slide through the hood popping and

499
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: everybody else is struggling. I like to be around people

500
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: who are also doing well. So if I have the skills,

501
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, why not share it? And why not help

502
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: uplift other people and help them get to that level.

503
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna make money helping you make money, right,

504
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't get any better than that.

505
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: So when you came home, did you have money?

506
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: Like?

507
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: Did you have?

508
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: Hell? No, okay, because that's not easy either to figure

509
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: out because there's also a lot of restrictions when you

510
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: get home and you have to figure out like certain places,

511
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, you have to let them know that you

512
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: have a record.

513
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 2: And let me tell you. So when I came home

514
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: and I got with man, you know, a guy that

515
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: I have met and then you know, we got into

516
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: a serious relationship and he had a felony as well,

517
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: and the FED he ended up catching another case and

518
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: when they came to get him, we were at the house.

519
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: We both got violated because we were both felons and together.

520
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: You know, I was like, well, you know that's my fiance,

521
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. They was like, we don't care, you

522
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: don't have permission to be together.

523
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

524
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: So he like, I'm from the date.

525
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: Who you want to do?

526
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody around me is a felon. But it's like

527
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: a catch, you know. It's a way to guarantee, like

528
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: if they ever want to get you, you know, I'm

529
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: gonna not work with fellas every day. It's just a

530
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: way to guarantee that.

531
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: They had that power to be able to say, all right,

532
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: well we ain't gotta you ain't gotta really do nothing.

533
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: But because these are the restrictions we place on you. Yeah,

534
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: that's tough. So with the music, now, let's talk about that.

535
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: What's the plan?

536
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 2: The music? Music is? If I could do music and

537
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: do nothing else, that's what I do. I'm serious, Okay,

538
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: I love music. It's just so kind of watered down

539
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: right now, like everybody everybody does music, you know, shout

540
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: out to the people that really have talent, Shout out

541
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: to the people that didn't have talent that was able

542
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: to finesse the system. But but yes, I am a

543
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: serious artist, you know. I get ready to put out

544
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: a new project working with ghost Face. We have a

545
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: dope single. I also have another single with SERRANI that

546
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: want to drop shout.

547
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: A shout out to SERRANI.

548
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I was just talking to him actually, So

549
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: I am trying to stay in my lane. You know,

550
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: I left when music was still in a certain era

551
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: and it's very different now you're not drill music or

552
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: you know. I'm actually really good friends with some drill artists,

553
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: and I was thinking about maybe or like a drill

554
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: song like with Favo or something, just to kind of

555
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: stay in tune with, like you know, but you know,

556
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see. I think that the people who

557
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: just love hearing because my music is really just.

558
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: My story, right Because I was gonna say, you rap

559
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: about what you really did. Yes, a lot of people

560
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: would rap about things they didn't do, but it sounds good.

561
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: You know that you can make it sound good, but

562
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: you really did it, So it sounds.

563
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: Like I really did it. I really made the millions.

564
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: I really had somebody wear a wire on me and

565
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: set me up. I really had a team. I really

566
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: had some crazy encounters like I really you know, my family,

567
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: I came up really like dealing with like street stuff

568
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: like this is all real, you know what I mean.

569
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, A lot of

570
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: stuff people rap about. You know, I really lived that,

571
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: So I think that that kind of sets me apart

572
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: to a degree.

573
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: Can we go back to this guy with the wire

574
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: for a second.

575
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: Oh Lord, when you're going back on that day, is

576
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: there anything that you're like I should have known because

577
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: something was off?

578
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: Or was he really like acting normal?

579
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, let me just tell you, because I started to

580
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: say it and then and then we got, you know,

581
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: onto something else. But when I was getting kicked out

582
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: of banks, I reached out to him because I said,

583
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: what can I do to stop getting kicked out of banks? Like,

584
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: you know? He's like, well, bank over here with me.

585
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: I work at Chase, you know, and I'll manage your

586
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: account so you don't have that problem again. So I

587
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: was like, oh perfect. Never asked him about anything. I

588
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: just needed a banking home. So he was like, let

589
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: me set up an account for you. Send me a

590
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: check that I could start the account with. So I'll

591
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: send him a check for like five hundred bands. So

592
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: he was like, you just send me a check with

593
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand. What the hell are you doing? I

594
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I'm doing some different transactions with

595
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 2: trading and all of this. He was like, well, how

596
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: can I get in? I was like, you know, it's

597
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 2: a little gray, but if you want to get in,

598
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: I can help you out. So he was down with it.

599
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: So and I didn't ask him to do nothing crazy.

600
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: I just asked him to talk to prioritize my clients,

601
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: and if he gets any calls about my clients, just

602
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: say they are ready, willing and able to complete the transaction.

603
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: Don't give him no other information. So that's kind of

604
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: keeping him clean, you know what I mean. I'm not

605
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: asking him to lie about numbers and all of that. Well,

606
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: one day when I went because I was paying him

607
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: for this one day when I paid him, somehow our

608
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: counsel linked and you're not supposed to be paying your banker,

609
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: you know. So that's what put him on blast. And

610
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: then I guess when he was approached, you know, now,

611
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: if he would have just told on me, cool, But

612
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: you wore a whole wife. Now that's going too.

613
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: Far right now, we were high school friends.

614
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: That's going You wore a whole wife for probably probation

615
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: or probably almost nothing because you really didn't do anything,

616
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: you know, So it's like, you know, you should have

617
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: never said how can I get involved? And when I

618
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: told you finish it if he wasn't built for that,

619
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: so you know, I just he sees corny with that,

620
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: and it's it's just it's sad because I feel like,

621
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, everybody wants to the shan, but nobody wants

622
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: to grind. Nobody wants to deal with when you know,

623
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: when the sun is out, it's cool, but when it rains,

624
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you know, everybody wants to.

625
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: Take the rest, just like and voluntarily wanted to take

626
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: a risk. And then he could have probably, you know,

627
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: but at some point something was gonna happen to it's.

628
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: Something was gonna happen, But I don't care. You should

629
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: have still it should have been from your friends, should

630
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: have been from my friend. And you shouldn't have were

631
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: a wire, right, you know, if you he's not a

632
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: street guy. So if he would have told cool, I

633
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: would have been like whatever, I still wouldn't have been

634
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: We wouldn't have been friends.

635
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: That's next, lep. But they gotta that's like some real

636
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: they gotta.

637
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: Go on to you. And then you lure me to

638
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: a restaurant, Yes, you lure me to a restaurant, and

639
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, I felt bad because he lost his job.

640
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm gonna slide you a little something. No,

641
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: I gave him a couple of thousands. I'm like, you know,

642
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: so you can pay your bills and then you could

643
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: come work for me. I was talking real spicy, real cocky.

644
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: What if I would have said some crazy shit, right,

645
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: I could have caught a whole another charge. He could

646
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: have winked or something.

647
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me know, Like.

648
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Damn all right, well listen, That's why it be the

649
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: people closest to you sometimes.

650
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: Though, it be the people closest to Yeah.

651
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: How does that make you feel?

652
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Though?

653
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: When it comes to trusting people, you know.

654
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: What, I'm a risk taker, and a lot of times

655
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: you can't do it by yourself. If you're going to

656
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: do something where you need where you're trying to accomplish

657
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: something big, you have to involve a team. You have

658
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: to involve other people. And that's just part of the risk.

659
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: I use what I learned in prison as far as

660
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: reading people. I throw a couple of test runs out

661
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: there see how they respond. Not that I'm doing anything wrong,

662
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, I just want

663
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: to have trustworthy, loyal people around me. Right, you don't

664
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: see me with nobody, because even.

665
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Just being in the music business, that's a grimy gang too.

666
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: So when we talk about trust, it's not about necessarily

667
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: illegal things, but it's also about like, if we got

668
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: certain things going on, can I trust that you're gonna

669
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: do everything when I'm not in the room.

670
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: Are you advocating for me?

671
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: Are you going to make sure to a closet hater? Right?

672
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: Are you hanging on me?

673
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: Are you telling going back telling this person? You know

674
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: my business X, Y and Z. So that's a lot, you.

675
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, Yeah, I've been fortunate to not have to

676
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: deal with too much of that because, as you can see,

677
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: the two people that's here, that's really like who I'm

678
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: with all the time. I don't invite a lot of

679
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: people into my life, you know, because you know, it's

680
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: just it's easier that way, it's less to worry about.

681
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: How about your family while you were locked up? Were

682
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: they in contact?

683
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: Did people?

684
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: That's the worst when people they checking on you.

685
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: Nay, they definitely helped me down. They definitely visited, you know,

686
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: drove ten hours twice a year. I asked them to

687
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: come I didn't want to overwhelm them. And you know,

688
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: my grandfather was like my number one supporter, and he

689
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: passed away when I came home. Not too long after,

690
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: I came home and my dad, my dad was murdered

691
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: while I was away. Okay, So yeah, I mean things happened,

692
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: you know, like we're all going to go one day.

693
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: It's just I'm glad for the time that I had

694
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: with them. I have really really strong men in my

695
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: life that helped guide me and you know, instill certain

696
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: principles in me. So I'm grateful for that.

697
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: So how did you end up signing to ghost Face

698
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: of all people?

699
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: That was really really dope? Because my Okay, so I

700
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: have two friends that were already ghost Face Dress who's here,

701
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: and and Rereak the Villain. So Dress actually I sent

702
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: him a record and he was like, I'm gonna send

703
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: this the ghost So he said it the ghosts. It

704
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: goes hit back like, oh she fire. I went on

705
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: the team.

706
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: Just that simple wow, Okay.

707
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: So shout out, you know. And I've been fortunate to

708
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: have friends who mentioned my name, you know, who go

709
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: into rooms and say my name like what Shawana did

710
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: with you know, ma true crime story like what Driss

711
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 2: did with ghosts. It's like, I have people who want

712
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: to see me win around, so that helps a lot.

713
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: You know, were you rapping while you were in prison?

714
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: Like what I got through my whole bit rapping. You know,

715
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: it was it was therapeutic for me, you know what

716
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: I mean? And it was it was. I spent most

717
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: of my time writing books though the majority of my

718
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: time I wrote books and kind of running the prison.

719
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, anybody who I was locked up but will

720
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: tell you like you know, I was in there anytime

721
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: somebody snitched. Sometime I walk into unit and we only

722
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: got no TVs. We're gonna lock down. So I'm like,

723
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: what the hell happened? Because I'm coming in from my job.

724
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: You know, I worked at the wreck. Oh such a system.

725
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: When told so you gotta go deal with that, I'm like, here,

726
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: I gotta go because I was like the rat enforcer, Like,

727
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: who told come here? Come here? We have a conversation.

728
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, I said, you know, we're always going

729
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: to keep up with you. So I appreciate you for

730
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: coming through today. And I want to make sure that

731
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: everybody is going to be watching my true crime story.

732
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: The episode airs two nights. It's on VH one, right, yes,

733
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: VH one tonight, So make sure you watch your story,

734
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: but make sure you watch all of the incredible stories.

735
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that are being told. So and check out season one,

736
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 2: episode one, My Bestie Show, I Gotta Plug my Bestie.

737
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: She was the first episode, Shwana King. Make sure y'all

738
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: check that out as well. And you know, yes, I

739
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: air tonight and make sure y'all if y'all want to

740
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: watch it with me, you can come with me to

741
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: nine Degrees Golf in Fort Lee. You can go on

742
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: event bright, put in Aisha hall and grab a ticket

743
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: and come through and you know, hang out with me

744
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: and so my celebrity friends and watch it. See my

745
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: reaction all that.

746
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: I might step through because I got to be in

747
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Jersey tonight with Tabitha for her book release.

748
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: I did a thing and so on the way back.

749
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: As that knowledge, I'm gonna do a little pass through Oakly.

750
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: Dope and can I tell him about my book?

751
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: You can do anything?

752
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Okay? All right? So I have this really dope project

753
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: called Larry the Lending Lion, and I wrote it in prison,

754
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: and it's a book about credit. It's a book about

755
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: credit and financial literacy for kids. It rhymes you know,

756
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: really dope characters and it teaches kids, you know, how

757
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: to you know, basically bank. It teaches them about interest,

758
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: it teaches The characters are like Larry the Linden Lion, Hippo,

759
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: Hector the tax collector. Don't like him, We don't him,

760
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: we don't and he's definitely the villain in the book.

761
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: But it's a short read, but it's packed with value.

762
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: I like that.

763
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: You not do wealth Wednesday up here, so Wednesday platform.

764
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: I got my real estate license last week announced I

765
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: joined the sirt Hand team with Ryan Sirhand. He came

766
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: up here to do the announcement with me. But I

767
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: understand the importance of all of those things. I'm not

768
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I've been rehabbing this house and my credit

769
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: score has jopped because my credit card is so high,

770
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: and I took it every single day, and I know

771
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't need to do that, but it really no,

772
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: that's good you Yeah, there's something wrong with me. I'm

773
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: like every morning.

774
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: But the good thing about credit is that when scores

775
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: dropped because of usage, as long as you pay it down,

776
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: it will go back.

777
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: It's temporary.

778
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: You know it's temporary. Now, them collections and all that stuff.

779
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: They need to holler at me. They need to holler

780
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: at me and my girl. They need those collections off.

781
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: They need to holler at me. Okay, so we doing this, Yes,

782
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: me doing this? I read good. I like it. And

783
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: educating people how to do it themselves. Yeah, that's the

784
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: most important pat over and over for somebody else to

785
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: do it.

786
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

787
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to do that my damn

788
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: self too. So and you know, I always want to

789
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: tell people one more time. I know it's not a

790
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: Wealth Wednesday today, but make sure you know what your

791
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: credit score is. Some people feel like I don't even

792
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: want to know. I don't even want to know what's

793
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: on my report. Just go look at all of those

794
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: things everything. You can figure out how to take care

795
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: of it somehow, like you got to just deal with it.

796
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: I all my life over with credit. I had nothing

797
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: when you ask me if I have money when I

798
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: came home, I did not. Credit is what I was

799
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: able to, you know, use to get my books out there,

800
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: to you know, get my wardrobe together, to get my apartment.

801
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: All these things I needed. I didn't have money, but

802
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: I used credit and you can literally go from zero

803
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 2: to one hundred thousand in a very short time with credit.

804
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: You know, we love it well, thank you so much

805
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: for joining us again.

806
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: Make sure y'all watch my two Crime Story tonight on

807
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: VH one.

808
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: We appreciate you so much.

809
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Ayishah Hall and of course Shawana is here, so make

810
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: sure you check out her Season one I mean episode one, yeah,

811
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: season one, episode one, kicking it off absolutely all right,

812
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: It's way up