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Speaker 1: M h. Hello everybody, Welcome back to WWF Wrestling with Freddy.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Freddie Prince Jr. And uh, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming back to here another episode. We've had a couple

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Speaker 1: of guests that I believe I have shown you guys

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Speaker 1: wrestlers are people too. Um No, they're actually nerds and

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Speaker 1: giant dorks. But I love them because I happen to

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Speaker 1: be one two. If you haven't heard the other episodes

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Speaker 1: in you're new to it, go back. We've had a

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Speaker 1: couple of guests and I tell a lot of stories

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Speaker 1: about my time at the w w E. I was

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Speaker 1: there post Get the f Out and uh, I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed today's episode because today is all about

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Speaker 1: the w w E plane, gorgeous black with the red stripe.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna talk about stories on the plane today

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Speaker 1: and I'll probably get sidetracked a little bit as well,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about other random stuff. But without any

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Speaker 1: further delays, let's start the show now. Stumping up to

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Speaker 1: the mic, the host for Wrestling with Freddy, Freddy jun, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: aren't you guys. So to start this episode, we have

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Speaker 1: to talk about Scooby Doo. I had to go to

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Speaker 1: a press thing. The cast of Scoop, the whole cast

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Speaker 1: had to go, and they flew us to Cancun, Mexico.

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Speaker 1: And the international rules dictate that whatever state in America

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Speaker 1: you crossed the border on on an international flight, you

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Speaker 1: have to land at the nearest airport to go through customs.

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Speaker 1: So for a private jet, and this was I think

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Speaker 1: there was some small town in Texas, South Texas from Cancun.

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Speaker 1: So we're coming in and it is turbulent is not

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Speaker 1: the word. The winds are crazy. This plane is We

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Speaker 1: felt like the Gilligan's Island ship, like the Chinese ship

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Speaker 1: was that was us. So we're literally swerving back and

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Speaker 1: forth like the Viking ship at the State Fair, and

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Speaker 1: you can't see anything out the window. Sarah's hand is

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Speaker 1: My left hand, I'm in the window seat on the

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Speaker 1: And at the last second, I'm not exaggerating at I

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Speaker 1: don't even I've never even told the story. At the

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Speaker 1: last second, the plane corrects itself. This pilot was a

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Speaker 1: jet corrects itself. And we were coming in hot. We

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Speaker 1: slipping and the plane lands, no damage, no anything outside

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Speaker 1: of you know, the six and a half years it

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Speaker 1: So we have to get off the plane. Everybody's freaked out,

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Speaker 1: I trust the pilot now more than any human, more

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Speaker 1: and we land in Los Angeles and I vow to

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Speaker 1: the plane got off and they were like, yo, are

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Speaker 1: don't tell anyone the story I just told you guys,

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Speaker 1: The train ride goes so well that within three months

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Speaker 1: they go vince. Once you're on the jet, it's like,

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Speaker 1: So I get on the jet and the first thing

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Speaker 1: And there's more hand sanitizer on this airplane than there

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Speaker 1: I see him side on me a couple of times

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Speaker 1: It was really good to me. They were all really

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Speaker 1: it was probably Cleveland. This is during the Misses push.

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Speaker 1: You'll you guys will remember, you have better You're better

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Speaker 1: And the plane is no joke. It's it's work all

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Speaker 1: Richard Pryor's specials, Richard Pryor Live on the Sunset Strip.

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Speaker 1: This was after his accident. He had been humbled big time.

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Speaker 1: did our thing. But because of that, after that movie,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were interested in my scripts before it,

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Speaker 1: and then afterwards they were like, I just does kids

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Speaker 1: movies now, we don't want to read it. So I

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Speaker 1: legit used a fake name, William Ramirez, and I sold

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Speaker 1: like three scripts in one year, and that I put

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Speaker 1: my name by the way, one of the deals went

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Speaker 1: away when they found out that it was me. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, they had all these notes that they

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Speaker 1: didn't have the week before because the guy from Scooby

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Speaker 1: wouldn't know how to write a script. So anyway, I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm writing this segment and its first

436
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Speaker 1: SmackDown and he goes, what are you writing? And I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this thing for for Jeff Hardy And he

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Speaker 1: said what is it? And I said, I was told

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Speaker 1: not to say anything. So Freebird had come up to

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Speaker 1: me a couple, uh, probably weeks prior, and he said, uh,

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Speaker 1: DJ has an idea, wants to try to make Jeff

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Speaker 1: Champ talking about Jeff Hardy and it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: They have to understand Michael brought Matt and Jeff Hardy

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Speaker 1: into the w W E. They're his boy, they're his babies. Okay.

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Speaker 1: He has fought for them. I mean he fought for

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Speaker 1: them every damn day that I was there, and from

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Speaker 1: what I was told, he fought for them every damn

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Speaker 1: day before and after. He loves those guys. He would

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Speaker 1: kill for those guys. He would lie in court. Will

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Speaker 1: he probably in court for any of us, but he

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Speaker 1: would like in court for those guys. And a loyal

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Speaker 1: freebird is the baddest bird owner. Okay, so he's telling me, look,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. But a lot of my promos

454
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Speaker 1: had been getting over with the boss, and he thought

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Speaker 1: maybe I would have the best shot at getting a

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Speaker 1: Jeff Hardy Championship story to fruition. I tried to take

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Speaker 1: the more understanding approach that I had on my father

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Speaker 1: at the age I was then and apply it to

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Speaker 1: Jeff so to get into that when I was young,

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Speaker 1: I hated my dad like I would get so mad

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Speaker 1: at him for the choices he made. He did drugs,

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Speaker 1: screwed around on my mom, messed up a lot in

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Speaker 1: every aspect of life, and then on my mother's birthday,

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Speaker 1: but a gun to his head and the courts ruled

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Speaker 1: it an accidental shooting. A lot of people call it

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Speaker 1: a suicide. Um. Some people have said that there was

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Speaker 1: a note, even though there wasn't a note, But that's

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Speaker 1: just how these stories kind of take on the life

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Speaker 1: of their own um, and the courts ruled it what

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Speaker 1: they ruled it. The point is I didn't want I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to understand my father at all. And then

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Speaker 1: I met this woman who is still one of the

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Speaker 1: most influential people I've ever met in my life as

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Speaker 1: far as the effect she had on me. And her

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Speaker 1: name is Pam Greer, and if you don't know who PAYM.

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Speaker 1: Greer is, you need to google her. In the seventies,

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Speaker 1: as far as the power of beauty went, she had

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Speaker 1: more of it than any other woman on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Every man loved her. That wasn't racist, and even though

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Speaker 1: probably did, and every woman respected her because she portrayed strength.

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Speaker 1: If you've read her biography, If you haven't, you should.

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Speaker 1: She talks about my father a lot, and it she

483
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Speaker 1: talks about Richard Bryor and Kareem Abdul Jabbar, the three

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Speaker 1: loves of her life. I started to speak to her

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Speaker 1: and I learned a lot more about who my father was.

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Speaker 1: My family, of course, would try to protect the child

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Speaker 1: right and when you're a junior, you have to remember

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Speaker 1: you basically exist as a statue to honor that which

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Speaker 1: walked before you. It's very difficult any junior out there

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Speaker 1: can relate. You usually are pushed or leaned somehow into

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Speaker 1: your predecessor's profession. You're compared to the value of the

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Speaker 1: name that came before you all the time. And I

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Speaker 1: think Pam knew that. And instead of protecting me, she

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Speaker 1: was very honest, and she told me about how much

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Speaker 1: she loved my father, why she loved my father. She

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Speaker 1: talked about what a fool he was with money, the

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Speaker 1: types of choices and mistakes he made. And in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people made those choices and mistakes, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of them are just choices. The great M. V.

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Speaker 1: P Will tell you that choice is not mistakes. First

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Speaker 1: of all, just meeting Pam Greer, and I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to be funny, but any man will understand this. I

503
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I mean, it's so he's you know,

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Speaker 1: so he so he fooled around, you know, it's Pam Greer.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be a jerk about it,

506
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Speaker 1: but there's just something amazing about her, you know, there's

507
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: just something captivating about her. And they were also they

508
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Speaker 1: had a relationship before he even knew my mother as well.

509
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Speaker 1: So she starts breaking it down, and she breaks down

510
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Speaker 1: the need for artists to medicate. You just have to

511
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Speaker 1: hope they find the right medicine. And your father never did.

512
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: And that hit hard, so hard that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: write it into a wrestling storyline, but I did, And

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Speaker 1: it started off with a number between him and m

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Speaker 1: v P, who's uh still a dear friend of mine

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Speaker 1: to this day, and I hope to have mine as

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Speaker 1: a guest. So I don't want to share too many

518
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Speaker 1: MVP stories because I'd rather him tell him, because he's

519
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: just he's a better storyteller than I am. You know,

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00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: people think I made movies in the nineties and oh

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Speaker 1: how cool this and that. You know, I had two

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Speaker 1: friends in high school too, okay, not three, not five,

523
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Speaker 1: not two, and a bunch of acquaintances. Two friends. I

524
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: was a dork. I didn't know who I was. I

525
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: didn't have girlfriend. I didn't I broke up with a

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Speaker 1: girl in the sixth grade because she kissed me on

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Speaker 1: the cheek. That's how I called her. Name was Laura Eichelberger.

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Speaker 1: Shout out, Laura, we love you girl, Um, sorry for

529
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Speaker 1: breaking up with you. That was me, not you. But

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Speaker 1: I was not I'm still not cool. I mean, I'm

531
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Speaker 1: just lucky that Sarah laughs in my stories. That's the

532
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Speaker 1: only reason she keeps me around. But if you think

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Speaker 1: about it, the two guests I've had so far both

534
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: played Dungeons and Dragons. One of them is a psychopath

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00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: about it, and one of them loves it more than

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Speaker 1: anything on earth. So do I you can. I gonna

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Speaker 1: have more guests you can find out played d D

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Speaker 1: two and they're gigantic, beautiful, awesome professional wrestlers. But a

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00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: lot of artists are the outcasts. I think there was

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00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: a line in a Robert Downey Jr. Movie that f

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Speaker 1: Gary Gray directed, and I can't remember the name, but

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Speaker 1: he said, it's like someone on the East Coast grabbed

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Speaker 1: it by the edge, shook the ship out of it,

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00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and all the insecure, weak people ended up in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: And that's true because it's a city of dreamers. So

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Speaker 1: it's all the dreamers from these small towns that feel

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Speaker 1: that they need something bigger than that. It's all these

548
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: dreamers from other places that go Hollywood's or New York

549
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Is where my dreams can come true and they have

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Speaker 1: the guts and the courage to go after that. That's

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Speaker 1: the wrestler's life. Now it's a little different with n

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Speaker 1: x T. You're getting paid to learn how to wrestle.

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00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: Now that's a that's a privilege. Okay, I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: paid to go on auditions to act, and a lot

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00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: of wrestlers aren't getting paid to go, you know, on

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Speaker 1: the road, drive eight hours to get somewhere to do

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00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: a match. That won't pay for the gas that they

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Speaker 1: used to get there. But they need the work, they

559
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: need the experience that that takes courage. It takes courage

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Speaker 1: to express yourself honestly or going personally. Now to express

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Speaker 1: yourself honestly, um a lot personally, but to have the

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Speaker 1: courage to do that is really hard. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in my career I didn't. I still I look

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Speaker 1: back on my career and I've only seen three things

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Speaker 1: I've done because I don't like watching movies when I

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Speaker 1: know the end and I've already read the script. But

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Speaker 1: I wish I could change every single moment in it.

568
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Even if people love it. It still makes me mad

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Speaker 1: because I became a better actor the older I got,

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Speaker 1: the more of my baggage I let go. And it's

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00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: the same thing in the wrestling business. That's what the

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00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: promo classes were all about. Fail here and wake up

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Speaker 1: the next day, Okay, and know that I still love

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Speaker 1: you and I'm still going to write for you. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't send a video of your of your bad

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Speaker 1: take to the boss. Everything's cool, and it allows you

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00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: to fail less when the pressure is on. Like we

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00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: said with with Xavier Woods, there's no such thing as luck.

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00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as luck. It's just about being

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Speaker 1: prepared when the opportunity presents itself. And the people that

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Speaker 1: went out and party the night before and at ten

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Speaker 1: a m. The next day they were still in bed. Well,

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00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: that's how I booked a lot of my movies, was

584
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: waiting for that actor to not show up and lie

585
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: about my name. But yet that's me. Yes, I'm Ryan Philippie.

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Speaker 1: They you very much. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

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00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: But you gotta take a shot. That's the more of

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Speaker 1: today's episode. You gotta take a shot. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys like listening, but I'll speak to you guys soon.

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Speaker 1: H This was a very like heartwarming episode, not one

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Speaker 1: of our funnier ones, but I hope it was still

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Speaker 1: meaningful to you and I hope it connected to you

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Speaker 1: in some way, and if it did, you're a wrestling

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Speaker 1: fan because wrestling just connected with you. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to Wrestling with Freddie. This has been a production

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Speaker 1: of I Hearts Michael podcast Network. For more podcasts for

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