Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where deodorant is optional.
Speaker 2: You just put me on blasts like that. How dare you?
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Speaker 1: Man, so lucky today to be joined by Jordan rod
Speaker 1: Rieg who It's not weird that you don't have deodorant
Speaker 1: coming from practice. That's normal. It's just surprising you told
Speaker 1: me that. Right before we win.
Speaker 2: I had to warn you. I didn't want you to
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Speaker 1: we're in a big studio. It's not gonna happen. And
Speaker 1: even if it happens.
Speaker 2: I'm always prepared for a scenario. This is you should
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Speaker 1: Well, you weren't prepared enough to, you know, bring extra
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Speaker 2: I said, I was. I was on a mission.
Speaker 1: Look, practice, it's still happening out there. Training camps might
Speaker 1: officially be over for the most part, but the teams
Speaker 1: are now practicing. They're kind of adjusting. And you're you're
Speaker 1: a beat reporter. You work for the Athletic and you
Speaker 1: were there at RAMS practice. You saw Matthew Stafford back
Speaker 1: on the field doing individual work. So like these two
Speaker 1: weeks of practice, they're going to be a little different.
Speaker 1: Some teams play starters in the third week of the preseason.
Speaker 1: The forty nine ers actually are apparently going to play
Speaker 1: most of their starters for the first time. So some
Speaker 1: teams do, most teams don't. Teams are getting ready for
Speaker 1: Week one. We're there. Football is back, Yeah, you're you
Speaker 1: know you're getting there too. I'm excited about today's show, Jordan.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little later about players that
Speaker 1: could be changing places. So next week it'll be on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh. I think we're going to release our
Speaker 1: NFL Daily Show earlier that day to have it right
Speaker 1: after the cutdown. It's cutdown day, we go from ninety
Speaker 1: to fifty three. But over the weekend, as this is
Speaker 1: all happening, there will be some interesting names that shake loose,
Speaker 1: maybe some trades, so we'll come up with a few trades. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So right now, every NFL building in the league has
Speaker 2: a team of pro scouts who have been watching all
Speaker 2: the preseason tape. They've had some pro scouts who have
Speaker 2: been traveling to preseason road games to what they call
Speaker 2: advance so study each other's players essentially, and also try
Speaker 2: to get a feel for with that opponent coming down
Speaker 2: the road, kind of what they're doing, if they're being
Speaker 2: totally vanilla preseason, or if they can glean any sort
Speaker 2: of information. A lot of things that you can't see
Speaker 2: on the broadcast you can see in person, like how
Speaker 2: they get in and out of the huddle, some of
Speaker 2: the cards they're holding up on the sideline, those types
Speaker 2: of things. And so you know, you go and you
Speaker 2: have a list of ten to fifteen players who at
Speaker 2: certain positions who if you decide you're going to part
Speaker 2: ways with one of your guys, is this other guy
Speaker 2: maybe an upgrade and can you go and pick him
Speaker 2: up out of the cut pool, or would you potentially
Speaker 2: move for him earlier because you have gotten intel that
Speaker 2: maybe other people might be moving on that player and
Speaker 2: they might be ahead of you in the waiver system.
Speaker 1: And the tricky thing is, if it was truly a
Speaker 1: surprise trade, we probably wouldn't be able to guess it,
Speaker 1: because there have been some pretty big trades at this
Speaker 1: time of year, right before this season starts.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that Kevin Dotson baby who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually ended up being a big move for
Speaker 1: the Rams, so they ended up getting him like what
Speaker 1: a how many million dollar contract? Because he played so
Speaker 1: well for them.
Speaker 2: This is not gonna be good for my I cover
Speaker 2: every team, not just Rams.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about players that could be changing.
Speaker 1: We're also going to hit just a few takeaways from
Speaker 1: my top fifty free agents of twenty twenty five, because
Speaker 1: it's related that the players that are free agents next
Speaker 1: year are more likely to be traded. And yeah, we
Speaker 1: before we do any of that, we're going to do
Speaker 1: some news. But I do want to apologize. I guess
Speaker 1: you said to me. It shows how comfortable you feel
Speaker 1: with me that you told me about the whole deodorant thing.
Speaker 1: But I guess that's I shouldn't have taken that as
Speaker 1: an invitation to tell all of our listeners.
Speaker 2: I just want to make it very clear I am
Speaker 2: wearing deodorant, Oh you are. I did not bring extra
Speaker 2: in my bag. I want to make that very clear
Speaker 2: to the listeners. But I will be tamping my arms
Speaker 2: to my side for the duration.
Speaker 1: Of the show. You can check out that we've lost
Speaker 1: a lot of progress. In the meantime, let's do some news.
Speaker 1: His first news item is a quick one, but it's
Speaker 1: just significant, justin Herbert's in uniform.
Speaker 2: Again, love that Daniel Popper my Collie. Yet the Athletic
Speaker 2: did note that even though he's out of practice, he's
Speaker 2: not wearing cleats. He's wearing like a turf shoe kind
Speaker 2: of situation. So probably not fully fully immersed yet, but
Speaker 2: ramping him back up but out there throwing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we'll see if he does more than Staffords
Speaker 1: just doing individuals now. But that's a good sign. And
Speaker 1: the Chargers, I think, need to improve their backup quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that, oh my god, yes, a little later.
Speaker 1: Next in the news, Jaden Daniels officially announced as the
Speaker 1: Washington Commander's starter. If you're not following the league on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, you might wonder, wait, didn't
Speaker 1: that happen the minute they drafted him? But it did not,
Speaker 1: even though they've basically been treating him as a starter
Speaker 1: and he started these two p recent games. Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: did not officially announce it until Monday. Let's listen to
Speaker 1: dan Quinn.
Speaker 3: I told you about a month ago that naming our
Speaker 3: starter at QB wasn't a secret, and it was a process,
Speaker 3: and when that process was time, i'd know he'd know,
Speaker 3: and I'd let you know. And as much as we
Speaker 3: knew Jayden would get there, Adam and I were most
Speaker 3: excited about watching how he would, and the how has
Speaker 3: been absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just turn this show into a
Speaker 1: Jad and Daniels love fest every day because I was
Speaker 1: a little skeptical of this pick. I thought Drake may
Speaker 1: should have gone second, and the story is very much
Speaker 1: yet to be written. But he has checked every box
Speaker 1: and I think has shown the advantage of being a
Speaker 1: twenty four year old rookie.
Speaker 2: If anything, I was more skeptical of what's around him.
Speaker 2: I remain skeptical a little bit of what's around him
Speaker 2: in terms of targets, in terms of the run game,
Speaker 2: in terms of the offensive line, in terms of the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. You did see Cliff he Cliff Kingsbury. You
Speaker 2: did see him building some help for the quarterback in
Speaker 2: that regard, and Jade and Daniels, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Has ticked every box. The only worry specific to him
Speaker 2: that I have a little bit is still his frame
Speaker 2: continuing to grow into his frame, particularly with some of
Speaker 2: the maybe protection issues that might come up around him,
Speaker 2: but you see Cliff Kingsbury actually helping him out with
Speaker 2: some of what he's building around him in terms of
Speaker 2: scheme and available targets. Ted Win my colleague, and then
Speaker 2: Nate Tice, our friend over a yah who sports noted
Speaker 2: four point four yards average depth of target. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of bubble screens happening, a lot of passes
Speaker 2: for the flat, but that's Cliff when he's making the
Speaker 2: quarter The run game extend into the pass game, so
Speaker 2: you're still getting the quarterback in a rhythm. But a
Speaker 2: lot of offensive minded coaches consider those types of plays
Speaker 2: as a phase of the run game.
Speaker 1: I like when they say that, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it, I see it, married but it's not the
Speaker 1: run game. You need a good quarterback to help run it.
Speaker 1: And Jade and Daniels, he gets rid of the ball
Speaker 1: much quicker than Caleb Williams or probably Jake May just
Speaker 1: comparing him to the other two highly drafted quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: I think that's going to serve him well behind an
Speaker 1: offensive line that, yeah, on paper, doesn't look good. I
Speaker 1: mean they if I could find tackles that were available,
Speaker 1: I would try to send them to the Commanders, but
Speaker 1: there aren't tackles available right now, and so that's something
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see to start the season. But
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury has a history of starting seasons fast that
Speaker 1: they his offenses in Arizona were almost always at their best,
Speaker 1: and it was so consistent. It wasn't just random to me.
Speaker 1: They were always at their best in September for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about that when reading the
Speaker 1: camp reports that Commanders Dolphins joint practices, that the Commanders
Speaker 1: were doing quite well, even though you know they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have the most talent. So that's something to watch.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Dolphins, let's talk about Tua tungavai Loa.
Speaker 1: He was on the Dan Lebottard Show presented by Meadow
Speaker 1: Lark Media, speaking with the Laboratarde. Let's listen to Dan
Speaker 1: ask him a question about the differences in coaching that
Speaker 1: he's getting.
Speaker 4: Can you explain to us the difference in practical terms
Speaker 4: between having a coach who did believe in you the
Speaker 4: way that he did and the difference between that and
Speaker 4: what was happening with Flores.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, to put it in simplest terms, if you
Speaker 5: woke up every morning, and I told you you suck
Speaker 5: at what you did, that you don't belong doing what
Speaker 5: you do, that you shouldn't be here, that this guy
Speaker 5: should be here, that you haven't earned this right. And
Speaker 5: then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
Speaker 5: you are the best fit for this, Like you are accurate,
Speaker 5: you are the best. Whatever you are, this you are that.
Speaker 5: Like how would it make you feel listening to one
Speaker 5: or the other? You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's a little snippet of an interview. YE recommend people
Speaker 1: go check out. And yeah, it's the Dan Levatard Show
Speaker 1: with Stu Gotts. You have to say with Stu.
Speaker 2: Gott's top ten football insider.
Speaker 1: His lawyers just go crazy on you.
Speaker 2: Thought.
Speaker 1: I was curious what you thought of this. You recently
Speaker 1: wrote about left handed quarterbacks and TUA, and I know
Speaker 1: you're familiar with some of the people in that building.
Speaker 1: Just what a difference it's been between Flores and Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't speak to what it was
Speaker 2: like before. When I did a piece on the spread
Speaker 2: of that exit motion, that cheap motion across the league,
Speaker 2: and I spent some time in Miami last season, And
Speaker 2: this was right before Austin Jackson got paid and Tua
Speaker 2: was at the podium talking about Austin Jackson and sort
Speaker 2: of made a bit of a reference to what he's
Speaker 2: talking about here to the point where it was being
Speaker 2: chattered and buzzed about a little bit in that media room.
Speaker 2: I always like to listen to the beat reporters because
Speaker 2: they are there every single day, and when I come
Speaker 2: in and do a bigger project and on someone else's beat,
Speaker 2: I was just like to listen and hear kind of
Speaker 2: the chatter and the dialogue, and that definitely got people
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, just kind of him. This was
Speaker 2: really one of the first times he's even made a
Speaker 2: reference to some of the dynamics that he's saying existed before.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was pretty he was really blunt here
Speaker 1: there and knowing just what people have said about Floris
Speaker 1: and how he coaches. Yeah, he's hardcore. I think he's
Speaker 1: like that in real life, that he's going to tell
Speaker 1: you what you think, and he probably it's hard to speculate,
Speaker 1: but that was probably with an idea of like making
Speaker 1: to a better but it's a reminder different people are
Speaker 1: going to develop and improve in different ways, and there
Speaker 1: are some people that that's not going to work for.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I mean to a play for Nick Saban,
Speaker 2: So let's not let's not say that.
Speaker 1: Like right, but Nick Saban maybe has an emotional intelligence
Speaker 1: to present those sort of ways of motivating and instructing
Speaker 1: that are productive, and maybe there's another way of doing
Speaker 1: it which you don't quite understand, like how to relate
Speaker 1: to other humans. I think Nick Saban has great loyalty
Speaker 1: from his players because he does it in a way
Speaker 1: that that engender is loyal well.
Speaker 2: And you also hear Brian Flores has a ton of
Speaker 2: loyalty and really high praise from defensive players that he coaches.
Speaker 2: And so this is not a conversation about that specifically
Speaker 2: because we weren't there. And at a certain point, Brian
Speaker 2: Flores will have a press conference because defensive coordinators do,
Speaker 2: and they do that weekly, and so let's have him
Speaker 2: say what he wants to say about that instead of
Speaker 2: putting words in anyone's mouth. However, I will say when
Speaker 2: I went down there and I did a story on
Speaker 2: Tua and Mike McDaniel and their relationship, and it kind
Speaker 2: of stemmed from you know, Tua was looking at himself
Speaker 2: in the mirror every morning and sort of subconsciously, the
Speaker 2: self talk was do I suck? And Mike McDaniel heard that,
Speaker 2: heard that self talk, and it sparked this sort of
Speaker 2: piece of advice that had nothing to do with sort
Speaker 2: of the emotional wellbeing of the quarterback, but actually tied
Speaker 2: hand in hand pun intended with a project that Mike
Speaker 2: was working on at the time, which was he was
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to watch to a throw
Speaker 2: as a lefty because it was tripping him up because
Speaker 2: like all of us, it just takes a minute to
Speaker 2: get to get used to a left handed thrower. And
Speaker 2: so he made this series of clips first for himself
Speaker 2: that was focused on the process of the throw, not
Speaker 2: the results of the throw, and so walking through like
Speaker 2: hundreds of clips from practice, decision making, clips from games
Speaker 2: and all of those things. And CBS Sports reported this
Speaker 2: a couple I think two years ago and made reference
Speaker 2: to it. But it was Mike really digging in on
Speaker 2: how can I understand how my quarterback throws because I
Speaker 2: want him to know that I like him for him,
Speaker 2: And it happened to spark all these ideas and collaboration
Speaker 2: between the two of them about kind of accentuating the
Speaker 2: left handedness, building some of their formations and some of
Speaker 2: their pre snap stuff, some of their quick game stuff,
Speaker 2: the mid game that they use into like accentuating how
Speaker 2: to a throws specifically, and in that way building with him.
Speaker 2: That was Mike McDaniel telling him and verbally telling him,
Speaker 2: but also with his actions like I like you for you,
Speaker 2: I like you for who you are, and Tua says
Speaker 2: it later in this interview here a great interview with
Speaker 2: Dan Lebtard with Stu Gotts, and he says it, I
Speaker 2: mean it took him two years to kind of eliminate
Speaker 2: some of that self talk, but that was him and
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel working together on this like every single day.
Speaker 1: That's so forthright and awesome to hear an athlete talk
Speaker 1: like that, because of course athletes go through those sort
Speaker 1: of struggles, and there's this idea that like every great
Speaker 1: athlete needs to be like Michael Jordan, just a killer
Speaker 1: that shows no vulnerability or no weaknesses, and it shows
Speaker 1: how comfortable to it is in the place that he's
Speaker 1: in and everything you're talking about of all the things,
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel went through to try to accentuate his left
Speaker 1: handedness and the motions that we're seeing. Even in this preseason,
Speaker 1: they're thrown out some new stuff. It just it just
Speaker 1: goes to show and football, like so much goes into
Speaker 1: what makes a player great, and Tua I think specifically,
Speaker 1: it's harder for someone like me to understand what is
Speaker 1: making him so effective because the obvious things athleticism and
Speaker 1: arm strength aren't there in huge abundance. But we're seeing
Speaker 1: year after year and at some point we got to
Speaker 1: believe that he belongs on the island. He is on
Speaker 1: quarterback island, and he's.
Speaker 2: Staying there for now, for now. A piece of a
Speaker 2: piece of reporting that didn't make it directly into the
Speaker 2: article because we have you know, word counts and all
Speaker 2: that stuff is you know, sometimes they would be workshopping
Speaker 2: a play and it would fail three times in practice
Speaker 2: and Mike McDaniel on Tua would go, I to Mike
Speaker 2: and say, I am terrified of messing up. I do
Speaker 2: not want to mess this up in a game. I
Speaker 2: don't want to ruin this for everybody. I don't want
Speaker 2: to let everyone down, and Mike would say, just run it.
Speaker 2: Run the play it's my fault. I'm telling you to
Speaker 2: run it. It will work. This defender is going to
Speaker 2: do this. It will work in the game. Run it,
Speaker 2: and more often than not, it has to the point
Speaker 2: where that's that's a trust fall. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: were to take that anecdote and turn it into a
Speaker 2: tangible like example, that's like literally the trust the trust fall.
Speaker 2: And I think that that is a testament. It's like
Speaker 2: piece off. If you are in a place where you
Speaker 2: are struggling mentally, it takes repetition of that type of
Speaker 2: interaction to keep you away from that place and.
Speaker 1: You need you and it's just as a pure like
Speaker 1: quarterback e level, like that's what you need you. You know.
Speaker 1: It's such a cliche of just like you want someone
Speaker 1: that's confident enough in what's around him to pull the trigger,
Speaker 1: which is probably a bad phrase to continue to use
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, but justin fields like in Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson when I was watching them on the All twenty
Speaker 1: two on their Saturday night game and just like just
Speaker 1: throw it, just trust it, just do it. I see
Speaker 1: you see it too, but you just don't. And it's
Speaker 1: great how to trust his system more than any quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league. That's why he gets rid of the
Speaker 1: ball so quickly and he has the timing. And so
Speaker 1: that's one story we'll be watching. We're also going to
Speaker 1: be watching the top fifty free agents. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be tracking this throughout the course of this season. So
Speaker 1: this is out on NFL dot Com. You just google,
Speaker 1: you know, it's on my Actually, have I tweeted out
Speaker 1: maybe I forgot to top fifty free agents are out there,
Speaker 1: And I did think it would just be an interesting
Speaker 1: exercise before this season started to just have some takeaways
Speaker 1: from the top fifty free agents. So the names at
Speaker 1: the top, a couple of them are going to be
Speaker 1: taken off the board pretty quick. Dak Prescott's number one,
Speaker 1: then Ceedee Lamb, Brandon Ayuk, then a couple Chiefs offensive
Speaker 1: linemen Creed Humphrey, Tray Smith, and it goes on from there.
Speaker 1: But I thought I would just go with a few
Speaker 1: takeaways and you can respond however you want.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, wide receivers. A lot of wide receivers this year
Speaker 1: that it's not like an amazing list. I've definitely seen better.
Speaker 1: Last year was better going into the year, but t Higgins,
Speaker 1: Okay got him number seven, Stefan Diggs, Amari Cooper, Deontay Johnson,
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen's and I'll even throw
Speaker 1: a guy that didn't make my top fifty, Mike Williams
Speaker 1: like that. Those are guys that I think all have
Speaker 1: a realistic chance to actually make free agency. Maybe some
Speaker 1: of them get franchised. I certainly think Ayuk and Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb will get signed in the meantime, but this could
Speaker 1: be a good year and it's a big year for
Speaker 1: all those players to try to make their money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Chris Godwin written down here as if
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers don't get something done with Brandon
Speaker 2: Ayuk sneakily, I think Chris Godwin could be a fit there.
Speaker 2: I also have Minnesota and potentially Carolina And if he
Speaker 2: does hit free agency, and I think that could be
Speaker 2: really interesting. There's no reason to think that Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: won't want to if he has the season, they think
Speaker 2: he's going to have Gigsten him and all of that, but.
Speaker 1: Then they afford him and Evans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if he does hit free agency and San
Speaker 2: Francisco still is in this mode, of you know, we're
Speaker 2: so close. We have to see what happens this year.
Speaker 2: And then obviously, you know, because nothing has happened with
Speaker 2: you yet, you have to think nothing will happen unless
Speaker 2: it's like some sort of an extension at this point.
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's just dragged on forever. I you know,
Speaker 2: I would think that what my care folo is like
Speaker 2: one item left to check on this list, and it's
Speaker 2: like check it.
Speaker 1: Just do it.
Speaker 2: Get this our long national nightmare, make it end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think t Higgins is going to be an interesting
Speaker 2: one to watch.
Speaker 1: An actual free agent. There's no They're just not gonna
Speaker 1: tag him a second time. So yeah, these younger players
Speaker 1: like him. Deontay Johnson is a pretty likely candidate for
Speaker 1: the tag. I think just because of his age. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to have a monster season. But guys
Speaker 1: like Stefan Diggs and and Amari Cooper, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a fascinating year for Diggs because he's playing
Speaker 1: for a contract.
Speaker 2: Cowboys beat writers do think that Ceedee Lamb contract's going
Speaker 2: to get done around them in Oxen.
Speaker 1: That's why I am not even like Lamb and.
Speaker 2: I you guys Stefan Diggs will be a fun one
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 1: I make these lists and I know that it's going
Speaker 1: to get decimated pretty soon. The Chiefs. I mentioned Humphrey
Speaker 1: and Tray Smith, So Creed Humphrey, some people would say
Speaker 1: he's the best center in football. Going to be a
Speaker 1: free agent. Tray Smith one of the best young guards
Speaker 1: in football. He's going to be a free agent. I
Speaker 1: have Nick Bolton now as the best off ball linebacker
Speaker 1: available in free agency. Justin Reid is a free agent
Speaker 1: on the Chiefs. I have him as the number two
Speaker 1: safety available. Charles Amenah, he is also going to be
Speaker 1: free agent. So just kind of a reminder. It is
Speaker 1: such a delicate dance for this Chiefs team to keep
Speaker 1: this team together. But man, they have a lot of
Speaker 1: guys coming up, and I doubt they can sign Humphrey
Speaker 1: and Trey Smith together or though have to choose one
Speaker 1: or the other.
Speaker 2: Just just do this, yes, Kansas City Chiefs. As your
Speaker 2: quarterback gets older and continues to play at such a
Speaker 2: high level and you want to keep him playing at
Speaker 2: such a high level, resign your offensive linemen that are
Speaker 2: good who are good draft skill players, draft running backs,
Speaker 2: draft draft draft like that's that's it. Pay your offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: draft the rest.
Speaker 1: It's like it's more or less what they've done since
Speaker 1: they Yeah, exactly are they really change their franchise by
Speaker 1: drafting Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith. Yes, drafting second.
Speaker 2: And draft players that you think you're going to want
Speaker 2: at those valuable, valuable positions that you think you're going
Speaker 2: to want to extend on a second contract, and particularly
Speaker 2: upfront when your quarterback is getting older, and probably one
Speaker 2: receiver like I love, I love the projection of you know,
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy as the as the number one out there,
Speaker 2: I think yourself and and the fabulous Nick Shook, we're
Speaker 2: talking about that. Yes, Monday Morning Show, which I listened
Speaker 2: to because I have no life but to listen to
Speaker 2: every single one of your shows.
Speaker 1: It's your show too.
Speaker 2: That's today, even though even though I'm I'm going to
Speaker 2: need a compdence boost after the way you open this
Speaker 2: show today, But yeah, I think that's that's the thing though,
Speaker 2: is they're they're they're gonna have a quarterback who costs
Speaker 2: a lot of money invest in the line, which they've
Speaker 2: done at that point during the draft, but now they're
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do via contracts and then continue
Speaker 2: to draft those types of skill players.
Speaker 1: So maybe Joe Toney comes off the books actually, and
Speaker 1: so maybe you can get it done. You probably sign
Speaker 1: one long term franchise the other and hope to get
Speaker 1: that next contract done.
Speaker 2: Question the fick question for you with Justin Reid, who
Speaker 2: I think is fascinating, not just because he's a great player,
Speaker 2: but also the special team stuff, like with this kickoff
Speaker 2: they're wanting we don't know what, we don't know yet,
Speaker 2: but in a perfect world where this kickoff does actually
Speaker 2: change some of the parameters and constructs of football as
Speaker 2: we know it, do you think that there's a little
Speaker 2: bit more value added long term if this kickoff goes
Speaker 2: the way that I think us wow, us football freaks are.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Justin Reid's gonna really have that
Speaker 1: big of a role. We'll see just.
Speaker 2: A little bump like couple mill you know, couple of
Speaker 2: mill bumps.
Speaker 1: I think Brett Veach is so disciplined that he would.
Speaker 1: They don't really pay in the secondary that much, right,
Speaker 1: and when they do pay, it's guys like Justin Reid
Speaker 1: and Tyron Matthew. When he came aboard we are more
Speaker 1: like mid to late twenties, and justin Reid's, you know,
Speaker 1: case a second or third contract, do you want to
Speaker 1: give it to him as he's getting closer to thirty.
Speaker 1: Probably not. I think it's going to be easier to
Speaker 1: find edge players in this there's always like good not
Speaker 1: great edge players available. Weirdly like that's a position you
Speaker 1: can find. So a Chase Young is available next year
Speaker 1: and I think could be having a really good season.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, who's getting up there in years but is
Speaker 1: still a good player, Josh Sweat, Malcolm Koons, Hassan Reddick's
Speaker 1: a free agent at this point, Baron Browning, like Khalil Mack.
Speaker 1: You can find some edge players tackles a little deeper
Speaker 1: than normal. Your Rams guy Alric Jackson is one of
Speaker 1: many guys who walker little Cam Robinson, Ronnie Stanley, Judgic Wills,
Speaker 1: all these guys who used would say aren't really top
Speaker 1: eight tackles, but they might actually get to the market
Speaker 1: so they'll get paid a lot of money. And then
Speaker 1: cornerback's a little deeper than normal. Tar Various war To Sante,
Speaker 1: Samuel Junior, Paulson, Adiebo, Carlton Davis, Byron Murphy. But the
Speaker 1: problem is the ones who are really good this year,
Speaker 1: they won't be available. That's the thing. Teams are just
Speaker 1: better than ever at keeping the guys that they want,
Speaker 1: and so that's the whole thing. Was like, all you know,
Speaker 1: Chiefs have to play a lot of court to their quarterback,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, usually players don't become available unless
Speaker 1: the teams basically don't really want them.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, pay your offensive line. Yes, there's that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, Patrick Mahomes is so underpaid because
Speaker 1: he's making the same as all these players who aren't
Speaker 1: nearly as good as him. It's like, why is Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert essentially the same as Patrick Mahomes. It doesn't really
Speaker 1: make any sense. So the salary cap helps out the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, finally, Dak he's gonna if he wants
Speaker 1: to push this, and I think he does, he's going
Speaker 1: to be the highest paid player in NFL history by far,
Speaker 1: by leaps and bounds. I think if he gets to
Speaker 1: free agency. I thought Kirk, I thought Lamar could have
Speaker 1: done this, and then weirdly it didn't really happen for
Speaker 1: him for whatever reason. By I think Dak it's just
Speaker 1: going to be outrageous in the teams out there. There'll
Speaker 1: be many teams out there that want him, so he
Speaker 1: can push and he can just set a totally new
Speaker 1: boundary of guaranteed money, and I think get like a
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed four year type of contract.
Speaker 2: I do have a hot take about this. It's not
Speaker 2: really a hot take. It's more like to me, it
Speaker 2: seems very logical, like if you're a team that's not
Speaker 2: quite one hundred percent sure, like you don't like, for example,
Speaker 2: you don't have a starting caliber or franchise caliber or
Speaker 2: on that track quarterback on a rookie deal, for example,
Speaker 2: or you don't have Josh Allen or pat Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: or just those guys. If you're not quite sure who
Speaker 2: your quarterback might be in twenty twenty five, you get
Speaker 2: on the phone yesterday, like you start laying the framework
Speaker 2: to try to first of all, get if you can
Speaker 2: before he actually hits the market and the price goes
Speaker 2: way way up, and then you negotiate in house with
Speaker 2: him because once there's gonna be a lot of teams
Speaker 2: who are in this and and let me let me
Speaker 2: be clear, I'm very pro player make all the money
Speaker 2: he can, particularly a player of Dak Prescott's caliber like
Speaker 2: and leadership, and he's gonna lead whichever franchise he goes to,
Speaker 2: or if he stays, which doesn't necessarily seem like that's
Speaker 2: likely at this point. It takes a change, it could happen.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but fifty to fifty. I mean that's
Speaker 2: like a huge like yeah, you just said it. Teams
Speaker 2: pay the players they want to keep, you know, and
Speaker 2: so this is going to be really interesting because if
Speaker 2: you are sort of elbowing around with a bunch of
Speaker 2: other teams in the same free agency market. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's great for Dak if that happens. I would love
Speaker 2: that for him if that happens. But if you're from
Speaker 2: a team perspective, you're going to try to get this
Speaker 2: done even before that, like by November, and I think
Speaker 2: that it's good luck.
Speaker 1: Though that's tough. He's in the middle of a season
Speaker 1: and he'll know, and I bet he already does know.
Speaker 2: Just knowing, I'm sure he wants to hit free agency,
Speaker 2: and I would I would think any player in his
Speaker 2: position would want to hit free agent. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: from a team perspective, there are going to be multiple teams.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't get extended by the Cowboys, there are
Speaker 2: going to be multiple teams who are going after him
Speaker 2: like pretty hard.
Speaker 1: And that would be sooner then later, and we'll see
Speaker 1: how this season goes. That's going to impact everything. There
Speaker 1: are teams like Tennessee Tampa, the Raiders will be interested regardless,
Speaker 1: like who knows, like like if the Rams went crazy
Speaker 1: like it could be, it could be a lot of
Speaker 1: different teams that would be interested. So it's just something
Speaker 1: to watch kind of hanging over the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about something that's going to happen
Speaker 1: before the twenty four season even starts. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: some players we think could be in new places in
Speaker 1: the matter of the next couple of weeks. We'll do
Speaker 1: that after the break. Oh yeah, back on NFL Daily
Speaker 1: with Jordan Rodrigg of the Athletic and before we get
Speaker 1: to players who could be on new teams in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, I did want to ask you, Jordan,
Speaker 1: about something you sent out on Twitter Sunday night. So
Speaker 1: let's bring up the tweet. Oh she's here, Randy, And
Speaker 1: it was a reminder that Jordan is an identical twin.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there she is.
Speaker 1: And she explained her twin identical twin sister, which I
Speaker 1: knew about, but I get it had been a long
Speaker 1: time ago and we didn't know each other as well.
Speaker 1: And I have to admit I sort of forgot you're
Speaker 1: an identical twin and that she is what is she
Speaker 1: the ocean X head of science operations, So she is
Speaker 1: running these scientific adventures to find life force across the globe.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I don't understand. I'm going to explain this ly.
Speaker 2: I attempt to explain this, and then I check with
Speaker 2: her if I did it right, which when she and
Speaker 2: every her entire crew listens to the show, they listen
Speaker 2: to everything that I'm ever on, which is like extreme
Speaker 2: pressure because it's a wide array.
Speaker 1: Where are they right now?
Speaker 2: There is right now, although we do I have to
Speaker 2: bleep that out because I don't be allowed to say, yeah,
Speaker 2: right now they are looking for and I can't say it,
Speaker 2: but it's very cool, and you will see the scientific
Speaker 2: research they found it that they found the thing they're
Speaker 2: looking for, and it's very very rad and you will
Speaker 2: see the scientific papers published on this and also some
Speaker 2: some media content on this I believe in the spring.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she is the smartest person I've ever met,
Speaker 2: and it's pretty cool to know that and to have
Speaker 2: that working.
Speaker 1: In this mass Like a little bit of a humble
Speaker 1: brag though, like my identical twin sister is the smartest person.
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't have the do you know how twins work?
Speaker 2: We don't have a share a brain.
Speaker 1: To my best friends growing up identical twins, so I know,
Speaker 1: don't share a brain. A little bit of the struggles
Speaker 1: they go through, which comes from people like me that
Speaker 1: assume you know.
Speaker 2: But I just think, did you want me to talk
Speaker 2: about my sister or just we're gonna keep talking about you?
Speaker 1: No, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. So she she's the smart It's cool
Speaker 2: when you work in our field, we get to meet
Speaker 2: a lot of really awesome people, really smart people, people
Speaker 2: who run NFL. She is the smartest person I've ever met.
Speaker 2: She runs the science programming at ocean X, and for
Speaker 2: most of the year she is on board the world's
Speaker 2: most advanced scientific research vessel. It's basically like a floating
Speaker 2: moving laboratory with submersibles like real submersibles, not the touristy
Speaker 2: ones that you see horrible headlines about, but actual and
Speaker 2: they work with you know, James Cameron and nat Geo
Speaker 2: and a lot of the BBC to put out educational programming.
Speaker 1: Ocean X Explorers is on not Geo and it's on
Speaker 1: Disney Plus and Hulu and you can and your sisters
Speaker 1: all over that she is.
Speaker 2: She she runs everything behind the scenes and so it's
Speaker 2: a huge testament the things that they can do and
Speaker 2: the things that they've found. And the recent one that
Speaker 2: I am allowed to talk about, it's on YouTube. You
Speaker 2: can find it. She was the lead on the team
Speaker 2: that helped discover an ancient rediscover an ancient species of
Speaker 2: squid that they didn't think was still on the planet.
Speaker 2: It was living in a shipwreck. So they went down
Speaker 2: in a sub and like found a squid, an ancient
Speaker 2: squid that was living in a shipwreck. It was extremely cool.
Speaker 1: That is so cool, and I love that you know
Speaker 1: your thread about it, and I miss her a lot
Speaker 1: with a dig of that. She's a Cardinals fan and
Speaker 1: then maybe that's why she lives on a ship, So
Speaker 1: maybe she's not that smart. So we'll be rooting for
Speaker 1: the card maybe she can make chicks or give Cardinals
Speaker 1: analysis from the submersible.
Speaker 2: She did text me she said it's a scientific ship,
Speaker 2: not a championship Jordan. So that's where she cell phoned
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: I love that, and just I'm sort of fascinated by that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have.
Speaker 2: She's amazing. Go follow what they're doing. They're doing some
Speaker 2: amazing important things and also getting people from diverse communities
Speaker 2: more involved in STEM and giving opportunities to young people
Speaker 2: who are interested in STEM and helping them grow through
Speaker 2: that field. And we need more people involved in that
Speaker 2: field and protecting our planet.
Speaker 1: So I love it. You know, I think you're equally
Speaker 1: as smart, but I don't even know our I'm just guessing,
Speaker 1: all right, you're gonna I'm gonna test your your brains
Speaker 1: here because we're gonna have a brain exercise in terms
Speaker 1: of putting players onto new teams, like player movement. What
Speaker 1: could happen over the next week, Like I said, August
Speaker 1: twenty seventh is cutdown day. We'll start to hear some
Speaker 1: cuts over the weekend as we get through these third
Speaker 1: preseason games. Some traits one that I think is very logical.
Speaker 1: I'm going to throughout. First, let's go Hassan Redick to
Speaker 1: the Bears. I think the Jets are sick of this.
Speaker 1: I don't see an end to this. There was reporting
Speaker 1: from Albert Breer that the Bears and the Falcons both
Speaker 1: had third round picks on offer for Matthew Judon, So
Speaker 1: it shows the Bears know that position that we've been
Speaker 1: talking about for them is quite thin, that they were
Speaker 1: willing to give up a third round pick. I would
Speaker 1: rather have a Son Reddick than Matthew Juna if I
Speaker 1: had to pick.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I liked it. So I'm just saying, like that third
Speaker 1: round pick that they were going to give for Judaan,
Speaker 1: let's send it to the Jets. That's what the Jets
Speaker 1: had sent a conditional one out, so Joe Douglas gets
Speaker 1: to save some face, and maybe the conditions aren't even
Speaker 1: met now, so he actually upgrades to a hard third
Speaker 1: round pick, and the Bears just continued to go all in.
Speaker 2: The Only question here because that makes it makes too
Speaker 2: much sense, Greg like it, really it really does. Like
Speaker 2: the The only question here is whether Joe Douglas thinks
Speaker 2: that saving face on this means winning a standoff, or
Speaker 2: whether he thinks it means trading a player and recouping
Speaker 2: something in return, like, well, whatever his debt.
Speaker 1: They need they need edge rushers. Still, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: reason why they traded for him. They lost Bryce Huff.
Speaker 1: They were still playing Will McDonald, their first round pick
Speaker 1: from a year ago, pretty deep into that preseason game.
Speaker 1: Work him in as like a third or fourth. So
Speaker 1: but if he decided that a son Reddick really might
Speaker 1: not show up, that this thing between us is just
Speaker 1: not going to happen, and the Bears are like, hey man,
Speaker 1: we'll pay you and get it done. I think that
Speaker 1: would be a fun one, all right.
Speaker 2: You through that one, I was actually looking at and
Speaker 2: I covered him early in his career, and so I
Speaker 2: kind of been tracking following along the down year and
Speaker 2: then also the move to safety. But James Bradbury, I
Speaker 2: know he's not necessarily like a big name, but if
Speaker 2: we're if we're talking about right now, you know I
Speaker 2: did connect him potentially back to Carolina. Even Carolina tried
Speaker 2: to get Stefan Gilmore. Stefan Gilmour was like, Noop, not
Speaker 2: going there. And I do think that Carolina very first
Speaker 2: of all, they need a lot of players, But they
Speaker 2: very much need a corner. He's playing safety right now,
Speaker 2: which shows that they're trying to in Philly, trying to
Speaker 2: find a fit for him. They're also going to have
Speaker 2: like Cooper de Gene come back, They're going to have
Speaker 2: some health return and some other players that they're going
Speaker 2: to want to play. And he started his career in
Speaker 2: Carolina and they liked him a lot. They just didn't
Speaker 2: pay him when it was time to get paid, and
Speaker 2: there was changing regimes and a lot of things that
Speaker 2: went into that. But I do think that getting him
Speaker 2: back at corner getting Carolina, you know, just something a
Speaker 2: player who knows what to do, a player who can
Speaker 2: play like help. They've got some juice a little bit
Speaker 2: now with Javian Clowney rushing the passer, so you know,
Speaker 2: I think they just need a little bit more help
Speaker 2: on the back side.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's thirty one years old, so yeah, if they
Speaker 1: gave up a conditional seven the Eagles, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to make the Eagles. He just seems like
Speaker 1: he's at a point in his career. Maybe you get
Speaker 1: the revival year out of them, but the Eagles don't
Speaker 1: believe that they could get it. Out of them, so
Speaker 1: that is worrisome to me. There's a weird amount of cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: you know, that are available. So I thought about the
Speaker 1: Panthers too, because they're high on the list of two
Speaker 1: things that need corners, but there's a half the league
Speaker 1: needs corners. Cardinals could certainly use a corner. I think
Speaker 1: the Broncos could use a second corner. Adri Jackson is
Speaker 1: not signed anywhere. I thought he was okay lost. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he was in a tough situation with Wink Martindale's,
Speaker 1: but he's had some really good years in his career.
Speaker 1: He's twenty eight years old. How is he not on
Speaker 1: a roster? Akello Witherspoon doesn't have a team as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell. I think Xavier and Howard might
Speaker 1: be a little cooked, but I'm surprised that no team's
Speaker 1: given him a chance. Patrick Peterson is out there, Eli Apple.
Speaker 1: It gets a little lower on.
Speaker 2: The list some of these guys, though. It's like it
Speaker 2: falls into a category of you wait until every team
Speaker 2: is finished cuts, and then you sort of assess the.
Speaker 1: There are some guys out there for teams that are
Speaker 1: truly desperate. Witherspoon, Adri Jackson to me, are guys that
Speaker 1: can play now for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Akello played well, especially during the first part of
Speaker 2: last season for the Rams super young group. But I
Speaker 2: mean it just basically it blew out his legs essentially
Speaker 2: like he was dealing with hamstring issues. I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised if he's taking his time. He's savvy enough, really
Speaker 2: smart player, savvy enough to be like, yeah, I'm in
Speaker 2: a miss training camp, uh, and then get picked up
Speaker 2: by someone who needs help. He's just a really smart player.
Speaker 2: He could he could fit into a system really well.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's try to go with big names here,
Speaker 1: John Dotson, this.
Speaker 2: Is the one I've been excited for you to bring up.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like it's a that original of a thought.
Speaker 1: He's playing deep into a preseason game and that's a
Speaker 1: first red flag and then the reporters ask him about it.
Speaker 1: And I was listening to a podcast hosted by Ben
Speaker 1: Standig of The Athletic Last Me instead and we can
Speaker 1: check it out.
Speaker 2: Great, And I'm just gonna say last Man's standing. He's
Speaker 2: got two puns.
Speaker 1: That's great. And yeah, he expounded on this notion too,
Speaker 1: that they they've been asking the coaches about it, and
Speaker 1: they won't. They won't commit to anything. They're just saying
Speaker 1: it's a competition. When they ask about the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: they bring up Alamedas Zakias first and Diami Brown. So
Speaker 1: it looks like Dammy Brown's maybe on the outside, but
Speaker 1: Zakias is on the inside, and Dotson's a former first
Speaker 1: round pick, and that maybe just something hasn't been right
Speaker 1: with him. It sounded like maybe, just like not with
Speaker 1: the new program. It's a new coaching staff who didn't
Speaker 1: draft him in the first round, and so I tend
Speaker 1: to think he's he's available right now. If someone wants
Speaker 1: to give up a pick for him, now, how high
Speaker 1: of a pick will it take to get him? He
Speaker 1: was a first round pick there, but they didn't draft him.
Speaker 1: Would they take a fourth for Johan Dotson right now?
Speaker 1: From the Ravens. I like that fit. Yes, I know
Speaker 1: those two teams don't like each other, but or they
Speaker 1: didn't used to, especially when Dan Snyder was there. But
Speaker 1: let's be real, no one liked Washington when Dan Snyder
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: Teams that I think could use another receiver. Kind of
Speaker 2: some interesting stuff happening. I mean, I don't know that
Speaker 2: he's necessarily a fit in Miami, but some interesting stuff
Speaker 2: happening with their three spot. Yeah, you know the Colts Lions.
Speaker 1: Bills Lions are the other team.
Speaker 2: I think really really would like to fit. I mean,
Speaker 2: I again you mentioned on your podcast Monday. On this
Speaker 2: podcast Monday morning, Dan Campbell was like, really we really
Speaker 2: need the three receiver.
Speaker 1: I know, that's what it makes sense. So Dotson's a
Speaker 1: guy who's he's not the biggest receiver in One of
Speaker 1: his best traits is like winning at the catch point,
Speaker 1: which is a tricky skill. And end of the Bills
Speaker 1: then sounded like maybe he lost a little bit of
Speaker 1: confidence towards the end of last year, But I thought
Speaker 1: he had a good rookie year. There's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of people that had good rookie grades on him.
Speaker 1: Your friend Ron Rivera drafted him there. You know those
Speaker 1: Commanders teams, they always like drafting their guys way higher
Speaker 1: than the consensus sport had him. So they did take
Speaker 1: him a little earlier. But people certainly had first round
Speaker 1: grades on Dots and he could be an interesting player.
Speaker 1: Steelers are obviously desperate for a wide receiver. That's another
Speaker 1: team would they give up a third. It's just not
Speaker 1: something that Steelers would do normally. I think maybe the
Speaker 1: Ravens are so good at getting those compensatory picks that
Speaker 1: maybe they could they could send a third over for
Speaker 1: Johan Dotson and get it done.
Speaker 2: Those were also teams, you know, if we go into
Speaker 2: more of a speed round of maybe not as known names,
Speaker 2: those were also some teams that I had as potential
Speaker 2: targets for to too at. Well, it's he's a really
Speaker 2: really fast player. He plays bigger than he looks. He
Speaker 2: looks small on tape and also in person, but he
Speaker 2: plays with a lot of heart and blocking, and he's
Speaker 2: been in this system so he's had to learn how
Speaker 2: to block and to kind of make up for some
Speaker 2: of maybe his size limitations. But he's a super fast player.
Speaker 2: So I look at teams like Miami. I look at
Speaker 2: again the Bills, I look at the Chiefs. I even
Speaker 2: look at the Steelers because a lot of the stuff
Speaker 2: that they run in Los Angeles, you know, while it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily him cutting through traffic in the middle of
Speaker 2: the field, it's also eventually him exploiting the middle of
Speaker 2: the field. On some of these these concepts and then
Speaker 2: I also kind of thought that Brad Holmes might give
Speaker 2: his old friend and mentor Lesned a call, but after
Speaker 2: week one two to out well. The reason I bring
Speaker 2: him up is because when the Rams are an eleven personnel,
Speaker 2: their three receivers are Cooper Cup, pukin a Coua, and
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Robinson. They also have Jordan Whittington emerging, Tyler Johnson emerging.
Speaker 2: Those two players back up Pokin Akua and or Cooper Cup.
Speaker 2: Xavier Smith has really emerged as a versatile speed threat,
Speaker 2: and two two backs up DeMarcus Robinson at the X,
Speaker 2: which is not the high volume target in this offense.
Speaker 2: It's the Cooper Cup slash pookin a Coua. So for
Speaker 2: that reason situation they use them situationally to great production.
Speaker 2: But he's going into his fourth season and if you're
Speaker 2: not going to resign him, it just sort of seems
Speaker 2: like at this point, try to get something something.
Speaker 1: Back someone in that coaching triol though those you know,
Speaker 1: too many of those teams already a deep at receiver.
Speaker 2: Maybe Miami, I see it, I see it for my
Speaker 2: but I do see it. I see it for the
Speaker 2: Chiefs too, because it's.
Speaker 1: Like you got. They actually weirdly have a lot of receipt.
Speaker 1: I think they're good.
Speaker 2: But if you've got if you've got speed, yeah add
Speaker 2: more speed.
Speaker 1: Okay, I could see.
Speaker 2: That, and then I could also see Lions, but only
Speaker 2: after week one because they play ech other.
Speaker 1: My issue with that is, like other teams will look
Speaker 1: at him is like, man, that was John mcvay's guy.
Speaker 1: That was his binky to two hour Well. He needed
Speaker 1: to make to two hour well work. And so like,
Speaker 1: if he's willing to give him up, then that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a red flag. We need to get
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill to the Chargers. We cannot have Eastern Stick
Speaker 1: playing meaningful snaps. And I know Herbert was back at practice,
Speaker 1: but just can't happen, Like I don't it just it's
Speaker 1: been a tough preseason for Eastern Stick and he might
Speaker 1: not be a good fit with Jim Harbaugh. And you
Speaker 1: can't expect Herbert to be healthy for sixteen weeks. So
Speaker 1: that's what I want to see. Marsha and Lattimore has
Speaker 1: been out of practice since the very beginning of practice.
Speaker 1: I have no information on this. If his hip is
Speaker 1: really that injured, that's a concern. And he won't be
Speaker 1: very tradable. But there has been issues between Latimore and
Speaker 1: that coaching staff. Sometimes you wonder at this time of year,
Speaker 1: when a veteran has a day one training camp injury
Speaker 1: and then his out all of training camp, whether there's
Speaker 1: something a little more going on. There were trade rumors
Speaker 1: about him, then they came into camp saying we're not
Speaker 1: going to move Lattimore. He's with there. He would be
Speaker 1: very attractive to a lot of teams when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's awesome. I think the Broncos, you know, Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: would certainly love to get his hands back on him.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to get really crazy, this would never happen.
Speaker 1: But I've just picked up like a little bit of
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Like Leah, Let's let's see if Patrick Surtan
Speaker 1: puts out as good a year as you guys say
Speaker 1: he is. Like they haven't been that interested in extending him,
Speaker 1: and he's always just kind of needling Patrick Curtan. I
Speaker 1: don't think Patrick Kuttan would ever be available, but I
Speaker 1: don't know Lattimore for certain things.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, I mean, did we think that Dak Prescott could
Speaker 2: potentially be available? I mean this is sometimes things happen,
Speaker 2: things changed.
Speaker 1: Right, that would that would have to be if the
Speaker 1: season probably goes wrong for them. So that's more fantasy.
Speaker 1: But the Broncos going after Latimore would make more sense.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, Broncos fans, I'm not saying they
Speaker 1: would ever do that, and if they had to do it,
Speaker 1: if they did it, like you would be getting Saints
Speaker 1: would have to be giving a lot of picks up
Speaker 1: with Latimore to get a guy like Sir Tan. But
Speaker 1: the Saints are a team that don't really care about
Speaker 1: giving picks up, like.
Speaker 2: They're the f them picks team. I will see Ryan Tannehill. Okay,
Speaker 2: to the Chargers, I will raise you, yes, Sean Clifford
Speaker 2: to the Charge, we're in backup quarterback placement territory.
Speaker 1: Why would they? Why would no one wants John Clifford.
Speaker 2: Jim Harbough recruited him. Okay, now, do we really not
Speaker 2: want to this is for the plot, Greg, do we
Speaker 2: really want to recrash? Do we really not want to
Speaker 2: rehash absolutely insane Jim Harbaugh recruiting stories and also get
Speaker 2: your guy from Too Lane And this is for the
Speaker 2: plot alone. I mean we've said some names.
Speaker 1: I would like it. Sean Clifford doesn't.
Speaker 2: See Clifford is a guy.
Speaker 1: It's too similar to East and stick to me, you
Speaker 1: know some other names, and this is more it's a
Speaker 1: different conversation. But it's in season. Just some players more
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on in season that we already
Speaker 1: mentioned New Hopkins. Yeah, the Titans. It's like, your team
Speaker 1: has to go a little wrong for this to be possible,
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, if the Bucks went a little bad, Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: I mean, is that.
Speaker 2: Bustbulity spicy, very very spicy. I think that Again, it's
Speaker 2: a bit of a hotter take here, but I think,
Speaker 2: like what we're so hung up on, and as we
Speaker 2: should be, by the way us on the outside, is
Speaker 2: that the Falcons paid Kirk. Yes, and so you're like, well,
Speaker 2: they paid Kirk, they wouldn't move on from Kirk. The
Speaker 2: money is the factor here. But they've showed that they
Speaker 2: do not care about the money, because if they cared
Speaker 2: about the money, they wouldn't have drafted Michael Pennix where
Speaker 2: they did, and they're not playing Michael Pennix in the priests.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this is a thing. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying it's something to keep an eye on. And I
Speaker 2: don't think that we can look at it through the
Speaker 2: framing of well, the reason that they would stick with
Speaker 2: him is because they paid him. I think they already
Speaker 2: showed you that they do not give a shit about
Speaker 2: the money because of the decision that they made shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1: Right and they and people will say dead cap, Look,
Speaker 1: they ate the Matt Ryan. Dead cap is not gonna
Speaker 1: be worse than that. And what's crazy is the teams
Speaker 1: that had the most dead cap last year, the Bucks
Speaker 1: all made the playoffs.
Speaker 2: The Bucks and the Rams, Raheem Morris and the Packers.
Speaker 2: And the Packers Raheem Morris was a coach on the
Speaker 2: Rams team that had like eighty million dollars in dead cap.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is gonna happen. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: it's something to keep an eye on because if you
Speaker 2: decide you're ready for the guy, the next guy, the
Speaker 2: younger player, and let's say, and I think all of
Speaker 2: us would really love a fun year from Kirk, especially
Speaker 2: with that offense. I think all of us would love that. However,
Speaker 2: if it doesn't happen the way that they envisioned, and
Speaker 2: he also is not maybe as happy as he thought
Speaker 2: he would be. I'm just saying it's like, I just
Speaker 2: don't think the money would be something that would be
Speaker 2: that would factor under their decision making, because they already
Speaker 2: showed you they don't care about the money.
Speaker 1: I think it's a mid October conversation, but it's one
Speaker 1: of them. We got to do a show on possible
Speaker 1: trade candidates during the season, but those are We're just
Speaker 1: a couple names. And yes see if anyone else, you know,
Speaker 1: gets gets spun off, I could see, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys picking up like a running back somewhere. Could
Speaker 1: they get like Jeff Wilson from the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: I like that. We also talked about Miles Sanders. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Would would they ever give up something for AJ Dillon?
Speaker 1: The Packers? I think they're actually I think the Packers
Speaker 1: want AJ Dillon, Robert Woods or Noah Brown. Maybe one
Speaker 1: of them shake loose from the Texans. Steelers could be
Speaker 1: a team that goes for them. I had a weird
Speaker 1: Quinton Johnston for Tyree Wilson first round picks not going
Speaker 1: so well, just trade since Telesco drafted Johnston. I don't
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders would do that. Tyree Wilson, I
Speaker 1: think is a name to watch over the next week
Speaker 1: of just getting dumped for like a conditional seventh, which
Speaker 1: is just tough.
Speaker 2: It's gonna drive Raiders fans absolutely insane watching Tom Telesco
Speaker 2: make any decision that isn't related to fix seeing their
Speaker 2: quarterback situation. I mean, again, we talk about if you
Speaker 2: don't know who are you got to try to improve
Speaker 2: the rest of the day. If you're well, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's not gonna try. I mean, come on, Greg, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're being pedantic here, Like.
Speaker 1: Banana's one of those words they never really know exactly
Speaker 1: what it means. But it's not good.
Speaker 2: You don't You don't need to know what it means
Speaker 2: if you live it. So let's live your truth. That's fine.
Speaker 2: So the if you don't know what team or what
Speaker 2: quarterback you're gonna have, or if you have questions about
Speaker 2: quarterback in twenty twenty five, if you can't look at
Speaker 2: your guy right now and say you are my quarterback
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, again, the Raiders should be on
Speaker 2: the phone with freaking everybody at this point. They should
Speaker 2: be on the phone to see if Kirk is movable.
Speaker 2: They should be on the phone to see if DAK
Speaker 2: is movable. They should be on the phone. I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: call Jacksonville to see if. Yeah, I mean, I know
Speaker 2: that's crazy. That's crazy. We're gonna we're gonna pull that
Speaker 2: back out of the out of either. Now.
Speaker 1: That was fun. I like, I like throwing these little
Speaker 1: names out there because if we just get one nibble,
Speaker 1: we get one right over the next week, I'll just
Speaker 1: remind everyone of it. This was fun is the point
Speaker 1: of the exercise, totally. It's gonna be fun over the
Speaker 1: next week, and it's gonna be fun this week on
Speaker 1: NFL Daily, we have Patrick Claybahn and Colleen Wolf coming
Speaker 1: into the studio for our next show. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about things we're unreasonably high on. Why Colleen came up
Speaker 1: with that topic? Don't you connect that until then? For
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic, Yeah, get some deodor rant,
Speaker 1: so let's see you next time.